New German, Austrian troops to be deployed to Kosovo

Ari Gold
-In Presevo Valley..Albanians lost
-In Macedonia..Albanians lost
-July 2011 Mitrovica...can you guess? Albanians lost (miserably)

I will tell you who lost miserably... Serbia lost in Slovenia to begin with. Croatia, Bosnia and Kosova. Serbia lost the biggest battle in Kosova. I know you remember NATO Bombing Serbia. Wanna talk about who lost miserably? Exactly what percentage of Former Yugoslavia does Serbia control today, when in comparison dating back 1990?
I noticed you mention July 2011, all you Serbs did was kill and KPS member. If that is what keeps Serbia going then I really feel sorry for every single one of you. Serbia's PM Ivica Dacic says EU membership is Serbia's priority, that also means that Serbia will stop funding north of Kosova to destabilize that part of the region. You also said Serbia will wait it out, WRONG Serbia cannot afford it economically. Serbia depends on western aid and EU far more than they can gamble with their future.
Ari Gold, like I told you before, you live in a foreign country, you're not starving for food like a lot of Serbs do in Serbia. So, yes you're safe in terms of feeding yourself. However, that is not the case for most Serbs in Serbia, they already have come to terms to recognizing Kosova. Just like most of Nikolic's administration has. Even though it has not been said publicly, but the truth will set you free Ari Gold.

LOL is there anymore debate as to whether the Albanian separatists would be any match for Serbs in Kosovo i Metohija without any interference?

Conflicts where the West did not back the Albanians in the past:

-In Presevo Valley..Albanians lost
-In Macedonia..Albanians lost
-July 2011 Mitrovica...can you guess? Albanians lost (miserably)

That is the common denominator here. You can talk about your "realities" all you want. But if YOU cannot ensure that reality..then its just empty words.

Austrians & Germans come and go...Kosovo i Metohija is a matter of life or death for us, we can wait them out because you clearly are a irrelevant factor there :)

Zemljo Slavnih Vitezova, Lazara i Milosa

(Ari Gold, 27 August 2012 11:13

You are tough when you have the whole yugoslav army on your disposal. I guess what's make you even more tough is that the Kosova Albanians in Kosova are unarmed. I don't see you being so tough against Croatia. If you are so tough then why don't you liberate ''Krajina'' for a start ? It is because you don't have the gut's knowing you will run with your tail behind your back ??

As for we Albanians we already know that the only way to make Serbia an friendly neighbour is to have an strong army at the border.

As for Albanian losing somthing ? Hey we won Kosova. And about half of Macedonia I guess. We are uniting our lands day by day. I guess we played our cards right just like Croatia did. Isn't that right ?

Serbian loses despite having an greater army.

*Slovenia
*Croatia (Krajina)
*Bosnia (RS belongs to Bosnia)
*Kosova (Is liberated)
*Montenegro

All countrys in the region got what they wanted but not Serbia. Who won?

He just repeats what everybody knows; the turmoil in Northeren Kosova is created by criminals, smugglers, the mafia. That is a known fact, known by anybody who knows just a little bit about the problem, but Belgrade thill thinks they can trick the world and disguise it as a freedom fight. It is not like some of the dizzy disapora types try to portait here that the south is run by criminals, the main drug trafficing, the main Mafia activity is done in the north. It is time this ends

When it comes to conflicts at administrative crossings, Drews said this was not just about politics. "It is about illegal trafficking of all kinds," he said, including "weapons, drugs, and human trafficking. When these illegal businessmen get scared - when their business model is in danger - they don't shy away even from deadly force," said Drews.

Why only the north? If you are honest, then you could admit that these problems exits on all borders and whole Kosovo is build on this kind of business. The only difference to the North is that in the South, these 'businessmen' are part of the socalled 'Kosovo government' and have Albanian nationality.

@SJ
Serbia kept 80% of FY? Hahaha, I think you should learn math before you ever make another comment about FY percentage kept by Serbia. You want to be a member of EU that's a fact. If Moscow was able to save your shattered economy they would have. They are struggling, they are in no position to help Serbia we all know that.

(Eagle, 27 August 2012 13:03)
Serbia half about 80% of the best parts of the old Yugoslavia. In other words it holds 80% of all the water, arable land, minerals and energy that was held by Yugoslavia. Slovenia was never an objective for the Serbs. We hold half of Bosnia, the best half. Kosovo is going nowhere fast as we have a strangle hold on it and its dying on its feet. No one dares drill for anything as its disputed lands, no one opens up a can of coke becaue its disputed lands. We know how to punish thieves and your lot will rot in a so called Kosova.
You would have to be a simpleton to believe that crap about EU membership. Serbia has no intensions of joining the EU – its all politics nothing else. The closer to Moscow the farther away from Brussels. Serbia’s economy has a lot of problems, but it was destroyed by the west. However, look at the EU, its on the verge of bankruptcy – its asking the Chinese to help them out. Hello, the EU asking the Communist Chinese for help!!!!!!!!
Now the US, what can one say about the US except it rats hit – 17 trillion by December 2012. Starving Serbs in Serbia, oh yeah. It’s your Albanians that are starving. Its they that are stealing anything and everything from Serbian Monasteries to the point that the monks have had to build walls to keep the thieves out. On the issues of aid, Kosova costs $1 billion per year to run.

(Eagle, 27 August 2012 13:03)

Firstly, our land is spelled "Kosovo", not "Kosova". Changing the vowel at the end of the name will not erase hundreds of years of Serbian culture and history in Kosovo. Then you say "... they [Serbs] already have come to terms to recognizing Kosova." - do I even have to mention how outright wrong that is? You really don't understand, do you? Kosovo isn't just a patch of dirt to us; I know all you Albanians crave for nothing more than land. Your country has the worst living standards in Europe but you want nothing more than to expand your territory, for God knows what reason. Next, the thing about Serbia depending on Western aid and the EU - please, everyone with the least bit of common sense knows they are both sinking ships. The EU has far more use of Serbia's integration that we do. Another thing... Slovenia? Really? Your the reason so many people abroad have such negative preconceptions about Albanians. I remember this one time at school an Albanian guy tried to convince me that the Turks had given us Kosovo during their occupation. This whole conflict would be a lot different if Albanians spent more time educating themselves and less time committing petty crimes.

@demi:

Montenegro is a serbian state. don´t forget that they only seperated from Serbia with bought ballot papers from quickly naturalized Albanians.. furthermore, KiM is still serbian territory and with China and Russia behind Serbia, this will stay that way, even if it is temporarily occupied territory.

you cannot call it yours, since it is only under foreign control as long the US protect you. but that will not last forever, my dear k-albanian friend.

and then we will see who "won"... =)

you on the other side, already today got nothing: KiM is under foreign control, you Albanians are politically seen objects, not subjects. I hope you understand the difference here.

in addition: you dream of being the descendants of the Illyrians...and that alone makes you a poor and pathetic bunch of dreamers.

you claim to have won?

=)

*Kosova (Is liberated)
(Demi, 27 August 2012 14:00)

No, it's occupied by several local mafia groups who established a gangster's paradise for having a base to operate their business (drug distribution, human trafficking). They turned Kosovo in Europe's main drug hub, and into an economic black hole for the ordinary people living there.

(Jovan, 27 August 2012 15:15)

Montenegro is an independent state. Not an serbian one. It dosent have an Serbian flag and taxes dont go to Serbia. Hey if you can call it Serbian then I can call it Albanian :)

As for Kosova. It's not under foreign occupation since we have our own institution and control our territory. Of course we also have allies worldwied who support us and help us on building our democratic institutions stronger. Our economy is growing and we are building roads to every village and highways connecting Kosova with all neighbouring countrys. Next year we Will form our own army. We make the future bright for our citizens day by day for ad long as it takes. With succes of Kosova we will beat Serbia and not with war. Northern Kosova is part of Kosova and we are integrating that part peacefully. Everything is going our way. You serbs can only sit back, relax and watch the show. In a couple of years with our succes and American Help we will have an strong army to defend our self.

How come you dont liberate Krajina??
Kosova will stay independent Jovan and there is nothing you can do about that. If there would be another war between Serbs and Albanians as you seem to hope then Albanians will be ready and well equiped. We will have hands, eyes and weapons just like serbs this time.

I guess you Will have to learn how to accept Kosova as free and independent. Just how you learned that with Krajina.

And yes Jovan we won what is rightfully ours!!

I see the ultranationalists are starting out the week with a very elevated mood. Claims of the omnipotence of Serbia and how it rules the world.
For a country that has been around before Adam and Eve as believed by many here. Some facts are Serbia ranks 85 in the listing of countries in GDP, credit rating was recently dropped to a BB- with a negative outlook, the dinar has dropped 35% against the Euro and 40% on the dollar in the last year, the only economic news is the granting of more loans and selling off of Euros to stay afloat. You are ranked even with the most corrupt country of the EU on the Corruption Perception Index.
Your newly elected govt that ran on a promise not to freeze wages no sooner than started says they are not going to freeze them just not raise them? and possibly reduce some.
You pin your hopes on the 2 most powerful entities in both military and economics, the EU and US are going to collapse.
You claim a southern province that you have not controlled in 13years and must get permission for even your leaders to visit.
And yet you claim the EU "needs" you more than you need the EU!
Your highs are like the helium balloons at a party, they have no substance to keep them afloat and soon are resting wrinkled on the floor.

LOL is there anymore debate as to whether the Albanian separatists would be any match for Serbs in Kosovo i Metohija without any interference?
(Ari Gold, 27 August 2012 11:13)
Laugh all you want, a match is not always defined by physical strength, we obviously were smart enough to get the whole world to support us and we eventually got our separation from Serbia. Whether you like it or not we are separated from Serbia….we are free! With our smarts, we will gain control of the north as well...sooner or later :-)

Eagle, do you not know how to read? SJ didn't say Serbia kept 80% of Jugoslavja.

LOL is there anymore debate as to whether the Albanian separatists would be any match for Serbs in Kosovo i Metohija without any interference?

Conflicts where the West did not back the Albanians in the past:

-In Presevo Valley..Albanians lost
-In Macedonia..Albanians lost
-July 2011 Mitrovica...can you guess? Albanians lost (miserably)

That is the common denominator here. You can talk about your "realities" all you want. But if YOU cannot ensure that reality..then its just empty words.

Austrians & Germans come and go...Kosovo i Metohija is a matter of life or death for us, we can wait them out because you clearly are a irrelevant factor there :)

Zemljo Slavnih Vitezova, Lazara i Milosa
(Ari Gold, 27 August 2012 11:13)

Be careful what you wish for, Ari, if Serbia were to gain control of Kosova by some long shot, the Albanians would outnumber you in all of Serbia in just a few years. Serbia would have to accomplish a genocide, (impossible), if it wished to get rid of the original inhabitants of Kosova. Remember, if we didn't defeat you on the battlefield, which we did soundly, then we would beat in the bedroom, i.e. we multiply like rabbits and you can't do a damn thing about it!

Comm. Parrisson

given that Kosova is only in existence for 4 years, I'm not really surprised. However, according to transparency international, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine are more corrupt than even Kosova, you know, the states that Serbs here look to for guidance :-)

Montenegro is a serbian state. don´t forget that they only seperated from Serbia with bought ballot papers from quickly naturalized Albanians.. furthermore, KiM is still serbian territory and with China and Russia behind Serbia, this will stay that way, even if it is temporarily occupied territory.

Important!!!
Oh dear you got China and russia on you side but how about US,Britain nd France?? also with veto rights.
as long as we r recognised from all of our friendly neighbours your Montenegro (serbian land you say??)Macedonia and of course our brothers, Nato member, Albania we are ok. for serbia its ok. is there any problem if Syria didn't recognise Islael so is if serbia didn't recognise Kosovo. its entirly up to you when you will make this step the sooner the better for you and your struggling economy and poverty. Serbia is in the brink of economically collapsed you will see very soon..

True, but with #86, at least Serbia reached EU-level, while Kosovo ranked below (#112) and shares the honor of being the most corrupt 'country'(?) in whole Europe together with Moldova.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 August 2012 12:01)
And you are PROUD to compare yourself to a country which you claim is not even a country that had its entire infrastructure destroyed less than 15 years ago and has not even been in control of themselves the majority of the last 10 years?
WooHoo, Lets not set our goals too high now.
by the way Kosovo ranks higher than your beloved Godfather, Russia, on the CPI.

"the main Mafia activity is done in the north".
Bill

Bill! Since when is Bill an albanian name?
At least in north Kosovo serbs are safe. No churches burned, no cemetaries destroyed and no serbs harassed and killed.
The question is not about making the north "crime free", its about forcing a part of the population to belong to a terrorist and seperatist government in Pristina just because America and some Eu states won't admit that they are wrong. Their pride is apparently more important then the will of the people. I hope the serbs fight as long as they can. They should never give in to american/albanian wishes of destroying this part of Kosovo as well.

When it comes to conflicts at administrative crossings, Drews said this was not just about politics. "It is about illegal trafficking of all kinds," he said, including "weapons, drugs, and human trafficking. When these illegal businessmen get scared - when their business model is in danger - they don't shy away even from deadly force," said Drews.

If that's really the case, I wonder if there's also a reinforcement of KFOR troops at the Albania-Kosovo crossing too. I can only imagine the stuff that passes through there. Or worse, the Macedonian-Kosovo crossing. Lots of interesting things have been happening there with the Albanians. KFOR's too bust pointing guns at Serbs while the Albanian-controlled drug trade continues unabated elsewhere. Germans were guilty in looking the wrong way in 2004 and their guilty in looking the wrong way now. But why bring up the painfully obvious? There's a few Serbs in the north that refuse to "accept reality" and that means adding 500 more soldiers there to force the illusion Kosovo is a united entity :)

I do like the last part of Drews' statement: "When these illegal businessmen get scared - when their business model is in danger - they don't shy away even from deadly force". This perfectly describes the entire Kosovo comedy show from 1999 to the present. Who's threatened force more? The local Serb? The Albanian politico-gangster? Or the US/UK/German triumvirate desperate to get a bunch of Serbian farmers to respect their authority?

In other words it holds 80% of all the water, arable land, minerals and energy that was held by Yugoslavia.
(sj, 27 August 2012 13:57)

Oh, finally… thanks sj for showing the facts to these forums. The ignorance here is so pervasive – nobody seems to understand what a paradise Serbia is.
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You would have to be a simpleton to believe that crap about EU membership. Serbia has no intensions of joining the EU – its all politics nothing else.
(sj, 27 August 2012 13:57)

Thanks God… Kosovo was started to get worried that Serbia wants to really get EU membership.
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However, look at the EU, its on the verge of bankruptcy – its asking the Chinese to help them out. Hello, the EU asking the Communist Chinese for help!!!!!!!!
(sj, 27 August 2012 13:57)

Money is the same, dear, regardless where it comes from. EU does not have any morals – it would take the money even from the poor Chinese if the Chinese are that stupid to give it to the rich EU.
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Starving Serbs in Serbia, oh yeah. It’s your Albanians that are starving.
(sj, 27 August 2012 13:57)

Yeah, I agree… Albanians are trying to compete with the 10000 Serbian children who have only one meal per day. But that’s a very high standard for Albanians to achieve.
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On the issues of aid, Kosova costs $1 billion per year to run.
(sj, 27 August 2012 13:57)

Actually, my Malaysian friend tells me it’s $102.6095421 billion per year…

given that Kosova is only in existence for 4 years, I'm not really surprised. However, according to transparency international, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine are more corrupt than even Kosova, you know, the states that Serbs here look to for guidance :-)
(Nikolle, 28 August 2012 12:23)
Now who makes these listings? The west you say, well what a surprise that the axis of evil are has been found to be very corrupt, but only a couple of years ago, after the orange revolution in Ukraine it was a picture post card of an emerging democracy, freedom loving nation.
However, if they let the west run their affairs much like Bahrain or Saudi Arabia they would be fine. And most important of all there is very little corruption in the US.
What a crock of BS. They make it up as they go along.

"You are ranked even with the most corrupt country of the EU on the Corruption Perception Index. "
(pss, 27 August 2012 18:09)

True, but with #86, at least Serbia reached EU-level, while Kosovo ranked below (#112) and shares the honor of being the most corrupt 'country'(?) in whole Europe together with Moldova.

no no sj, transparency international is NOT America, so i have no idea what Assange has to do with anything here. if this corruption index was dictated by the evil west, they'd have put their pet project Kosova higher up the list. they haven't and they haven't for a simple reason, it is a pretty corrupt place. so do not take their word for one instance and ignore it all other times. if you think they're lying on Russia, do the following, travel to Russia, deal with officials, and publish your findings, no one is going to stop you from trying

"And you are PROUD to compare yourself to a country which you claim is not even a country that had its entire infrastructure destroyed less than 15 years ago and has not even been in control of themselves the majority of the last 10 years? "
(pss, 28 August 2012 14:41)

I only mentioned a 'country' that in the last few years of being in 'control of themselves' didn't manage to improve anything. And somehow strange that the Kosovo drug mafia clans managed to turn this black hole in Europe's main drug hub despite all the 'destroyed infrastructure' :)

icj1, 28 August 2012 04:13)
“Money is the same, dear, regardless where it comes from. EU does not have any morals – it would take the money even from the poor Chinese if the Chinese are that stupid to give it to the rich EU”
This is why I no longer debate you. You have shown your entire understanding on what it means when you borrow on a scale the EU is doing right now from the Chinese.

Yes, sj, the west has also put its pet project Kosova as pretty corrupt, so think before you write. Let me guess however, they are being honest in one case and lying the other times?

(Nikolle, 28 August 2012 20:13)

I’m not talking about Kosovo, but that is true. However, if Kosovo was under Belgrade’s control the western press would be howling about the level of corruption on a daily basis – there would be campaigns of alerting the public to the evils of Serbia, but since it under the watchful eye of democracy its overlooked and not mentioned as often. Why do you think the US wants Julian Assange in America – for his health? – he exposed the US hypocracy.

How many times have you heard or read about Saudi Arabia or Bahrain or Jordan mentioned in the corruption or human rights stakes? Yes every now and then there is an article but that is all. Then look at the campaign over Syria – day after day.

icj1, 28 August 2012 04:13)
“Money is the same, dear, regardless where it comes from. EU does not have any morals – it would take the money even from the poor Chinese if the Chinese are that stupid to give it to the rich EU”
This is why I no longer debate you. You have shown your entire understanding on what it means when you borrow on a scale the EU is doing right now from the Chinese.
(sj, 28 August 2012 11:09)

Exactly, my understanding can never be compared with yours who are the CE of the B92 forums and illuminate with your preachings the darkness that sourrounds these forums. So, yes, the EU has no morals and has no shame to borrow huge, astronomical amounts from the Chinese if the poor Chinese are that stupid to give it to the rich EU. Unfortunately, the rotten capitalist world knows only one God - the money. Rather they need to follow the example of people who follow ideals like the ideals of 1389 in order to live a better life :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Why do you think the US wants Julian Assange in America – for his health? – he exposed the US hypocracy.
(sj, 29 August 2012 04:49)

No, that's not possible... The CE of the B92 forums sj exposed that much earlier than Assange illuminating the minds of all posters here. Everybody who read the excellent insights from sj, learned nothing new from Assange.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

LOL is there anymore debate as to whether the Albanian separatists would be any match for Serbs in Kosovo i Metohija without any interference?

Conflicts where the West did not back the Albanians in the past:

-In Presevo Valley..Albanians lost
-In Macedonia..Albanians lost
-July 2011 Mitrovica...can you guess? Albanians lost (miserably)

That is the common denominator here. You can talk about your "realities" all you want. But if YOU cannot ensure that reality..then its just empty words.

Austrians & Germans come and go...Kosovo i Metohija is a matter of life or death for us, we can wait them out because you clearly are a irrelevant factor there :)

Zemljo Slavnih Vitezova, Lazara i Milosa

Ari Gold
-In Presevo Valley..Albanians lost
-In Macedonia..Albanians lost
-July 2011 Mitrovica...can you guess? Albanians lost (miserably)

I will tell you who lost miserably... Serbia lost in Slovenia to begin with. Croatia, Bosnia and Kosova. Serbia lost the biggest battle in Kosova. I know you remember NATO Bombing Serbia. Wanna talk about who lost miserably? Exactly what percentage of Former Yugoslavia does Serbia control today, when in comparison dating back 1990?
I noticed you mention July 2011, all you Serbs did was kill and KPS member. If that is what keeps Serbia going then I really feel sorry for every single one of you. Serbia's PM Ivica Dacic says EU membership is Serbia's priority, that also means that Serbia will stop funding north of Kosova to destabilize that part of the region. You also said Serbia will wait it out, WRONG Serbia cannot afford it economically. Serbia depends on western aid and EU far more than they can gamble with their future.
Ari Gold, like I told you before, you live in a foreign country, you're not starving for food like a lot of Serbs do in Serbia. So, yes you're safe in terms of feeding yourself. However, that is not the case for most Serbs in Serbia, they already have come to terms to recognizing Kosova. Just like most of Nikolic's administration has. Even though it has not been said publicly, but the truth will set you free Ari Gold.

He just repeats what everybody knows; the turmoil in Northeren Kosova is created by criminals, smugglers, the mafia. That is a known fact, known by anybody who knows just a little bit about the problem, but Belgrade thill thinks they can trick the world and disguise it as a freedom fight. It is not like some of the dizzy disapora types try to portait here that the south is run by criminals, the main drug trafficing, the main Mafia activity is done in the north. It is time this ends

@demi:

Montenegro is a serbian state. don´t forget that they only seperated from Serbia with bought ballot papers from quickly naturalized Albanians.. furthermore, KiM is still serbian territory and with China and Russia behind Serbia, this will stay that way, even if it is temporarily occupied territory.

you cannot call it yours, since it is only under foreign control as long the US protect you. but that will not last forever, my dear k-albanian friend.

and then we will see who "won"... =)

you on the other side, already today got nothing: KiM is under foreign control, you Albanians are politically seen objects, not subjects. I hope you understand the difference here.

in addition: you dream of being the descendants of the Illyrians...and that alone makes you a poor and pathetic bunch of dreamers.

you claim to have won?

=)

(Eagle, 27 August 2012 13:03)
Serbia half about 80% of the best parts of the old Yugoslavia. In other words it holds 80% of all the water, arable land, minerals and energy that was held by Yugoslavia. Slovenia was never an objective for the Serbs. We hold half of Bosnia, the best half. Kosovo is going nowhere fast as we have a strangle hold on it and its dying on its feet. No one dares drill for anything as its disputed lands, no one opens up a can of coke becaue its disputed lands. We know how to punish thieves and your lot will rot in a so called Kosova.
You would have to be a simpleton to believe that crap about EU membership. Serbia has no intensions of joining the EU – its all politics nothing else. The closer to Moscow the farther away from Brussels. Serbia’s economy has a lot of problems, but it was destroyed by the west. However, look at the EU, its on the verge of bankruptcy – its asking the Chinese to help them out. Hello, the EU asking the Communist Chinese for help!!!!!!!!
Now the US, what can one say about the US except it rats hit – 17 trillion by December 2012. Starving Serbs in Serbia, oh yeah. It’s your Albanians that are starving. Its they that are stealing anything and everything from Serbian Monasteries to the point that the monks have had to build walls to keep the thieves out. On the issues of aid, Kosova costs $1 billion per year to run.

(Ari Gold, 27 August 2012 11:13

You are tough when you have the whole yugoslav army on your disposal. I guess what's make you even more tough is that the Kosova Albanians in Kosova are unarmed. I don't see you being so tough against Croatia. If you are so tough then why don't you liberate ''Krajina'' for a start ? It is because you don't have the gut's knowing you will run with your tail behind your back ??

As for we Albanians we already know that the only way to make Serbia an friendly neighbour is to have an strong army at the border.

As for Albanian losing somthing ? Hey we won Kosova. And about half of Macedonia I guess. We are uniting our lands day by day. I guess we played our cards right just like Croatia did. Isn't that right ?

Serbian loses despite having an greater army.

*Slovenia
*Croatia (Krajina)
*Bosnia (RS belongs to Bosnia)
*Kosova (Is liberated)
*Montenegro

All countrys in the region got what they wanted but not Serbia. Who won?

(Eagle, 27 August 2012 13:03)

Firstly, our land is spelled "Kosovo", not "Kosova". Changing the vowel at the end of the name will not erase hundreds of years of Serbian culture and history in Kosovo. Then you say "... they [Serbs] already have come to terms to recognizing Kosova." - do I even have to mention how outright wrong that is? You really don't understand, do you? Kosovo isn't just a patch of dirt to us; I know all you Albanians crave for nothing more than land. Your country has the worst living standards in Europe but you want nothing more than to expand your territory, for God knows what reason. Next, the thing about Serbia depending on Western aid and the EU - please, everyone with the least bit of common sense knows they are both sinking ships. The EU has far more use of Serbia's integration that we do. Another thing... Slovenia? Really? Your the reason so many people abroad have such negative preconceptions about Albanians. I remember this one time at school an Albanian guy tried to convince me that the Turks had given us Kosovo during their occupation. This whole conflict would be a lot different if Albanians spent more time educating themselves and less time committing petty crimes.

When it comes to conflicts at administrative crossings, Drews said this was not just about politics. "It is about illegal trafficking of all kinds," he said, including "weapons, drugs, and human trafficking. When these illegal businessmen get scared - when their business model is in danger - they don't shy away even from deadly force," said Drews.

Why only the north? If you are honest, then you could admit that these problems exits on all borders and whole Kosovo is build on this kind of business. The only difference to the North is that in the South, these 'businessmen' are part of the socalled 'Kosovo government' and have Albanian nationality.

*Kosova (Is liberated)
(Demi, 27 August 2012 14:00)

No, it's occupied by several local mafia groups who established a gangster's paradise for having a base to operate their business (drug distribution, human trafficking). They turned Kosovo in Europe's main drug hub, and into an economic black hole for the ordinary people living there.

Eagle, do you not know how to read? SJ didn't say Serbia kept 80% of Jugoslavja.

@SJ
Serbia kept 80% of FY? Hahaha, I think you should learn math before you ever make another comment about FY percentage kept by Serbia. You want to be a member of EU that's a fact. If Moscow was able to save your shattered economy they would have. They are struggling, they are in no position to help Serbia we all know that.

"the main Mafia activity is done in the north".
Bill

Bill! Since when is Bill an albanian name?
At least in north Kosovo serbs are safe. No churches burned, no cemetaries destroyed and no serbs harassed and killed.
The question is not about making the north "crime free", its about forcing a part of the population to belong to a terrorist and seperatist government in Pristina just because America and some Eu states won't admit that they are wrong. Their pride is apparently more important then the will of the people. I hope the serbs fight as long as they can. They should never give in to american/albanian wishes of destroying this part of Kosovo as well.

"You are ranked even with the most corrupt country of the EU on the Corruption Perception Index. "
(pss, 27 August 2012 18:09)

True, but with #86, at least Serbia reached EU-level, while Kosovo ranked below (#112) and shares the honor of being the most corrupt 'country'(?) in whole Europe together with Moldova.

Comm. Parrisson

given that Kosova is only in existence for 4 years, I'm not really surprised. However, according to transparency international, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine are more corrupt than even Kosova, you know, the states that Serbs here look to for guidance :-)

given that Kosova is only in existence for 4 years, I'm not really surprised. However, according to transparency international, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine are more corrupt than even Kosova, you know, the states that Serbs here look to for guidance :-)
(Nikolle, 28 August 2012 12:23)
Now who makes these listings? The west you say, well what a surprise that the axis of evil are has been found to be very corrupt, but only a couple of years ago, after the orange revolution in Ukraine it was a picture post card of an emerging democracy, freedom loving nation.
However, if they let the west run their affairs much like Bahrain or Saudi Arabia they would be fine. And most important of all there is very little corruption in the US.
What a crock of BS. They make it up as they go along.

Yes, sj, the west has also put its pet project Kosova as pretty corrupt, so think before you write. Let me guess however, they are being honest in one case and lying the other times?

LOL is there anymore debate as to whether the Albanian separatists would be any match for Serbs in Kosovo i Metohija without any interference?
(Ari Gold, 27 August 2012 11:13)
Laugh all you want, a match is not always defined by physical strength, we obviously were smart enough to get the whole world to support us and we eventually got our separation from Serbia. Whether you like it or not we are separated from Serbia….we are free! With our smarts, we will gain control of the north as well...sooner or later :-)

When it comes to conflicts at administrative crossings, Drews said this was not just about politics. "It is about illegal trafficking of all kinds," he said, including "weapons, drugs, and human trafficking. When these illegal businessmen get scared - when their business model is in danger - they don't shy away even from deadly force," said Drews.

If that's really the case, I wonder if there's also a reinforcement of KFOR troops at the Albania-Kosovo crossing too. I can only imagine the stuff that passes through there. Or worse, the Macedonian-Kosovo crossing. Lots of interesting things have been happening there with the Albanians. KFOR's too bust pointing guns at Serbs while the Albanian-controlled drug trade continues unabated elsewhere. Germans were guilty in looking the wrong way in 2004 and their guilty in looking the wrong way now. But why bring up the painfully obvious? There's a few Serbs in the north that refuse to "accept reality" and that means adding 500 more soldiers there to force the illusion Kosovo is a united entity :)

I do like the last part of Drews' statement: "When these illegal businessmen get scared - when their business model is in danger - they don't shy away even from deadly force". This perfectly describes the entire Kosovo comedy show from 1999 to the present. Who's threatened force more? The local Serb? The Albanian politico-gangster? Or the US/UK/German triumvirate desperate to get a bunch of Serbian farmers to respect their authority?

icj1, 28 August 2012 04:13)
“Money is the same, dear, regardless where it comes from. EU does not have any morals – it would take the money even from the poor Chinese if the Chinese are that stupid to give it to the rich EU”
This is why I no longer debate you. You have shown your entire understanding on what it means when you borrow on a scale the EU is doing right now from the Chinese.

"And you are PROUD to compare yourself to a country which you claim is not even a country that had its entire infrastructure destroyed less than 15 years ago and has not even been in control of themselves the majority of the last 10 years? "
(pss, 28 August 2012 14:41)

I only mentioned a 'country' that in the last few years of being in 'control of themselves' didn't manage to improve anything. And somehow strange that the Kosovo drug mafia clans managed to turn this black hole in Europe's main drug hub despite all the 'destroyed infrastructure' :)

LOL is there anymore debate as to whether the Albanian separatists would be any match for Serbs in Kosovo i Metohija without any interference?

Conflicts where the West did not back the Albanians in the past:

-In Presevo Valley..Albanians lost
-In Macedonia..Albanians lost
-July 2011 Mitrovica...can you guess? Albanians lost (miserably)

That is the common denominator here. You can talk about your "realities" all you want. But if YOU cannot ensure that reality..then its just empty words.

Austrians & Germans come and go...Kosovo i Metohija is a matter of life or death for us, we can wait them out because you clearly are a irrelevant factor there :)

Zemljo Slavnih Vitezova, Lazara i Milosa
(Ari Gold, 27 August 2012 11:13)

Be careful what you wish for, Ari, if Serbia were to gain control of Kosova by some long shot, the Albanians would outnumber you in all of Serbia in just a few years. Serbia would have to accomplish a genocide, (impossible), if it wished to get rid of the original inhabitants of Kosova. Remember, if we didn't defeat you on the battlefield, which we did soundly, then we would beat in the bedroom, i.e. we multiply like rabbits and you can't do a damn thing about it!

(Jovan, 27 August 2012 15:15)

Montenegro is an independent state. Not an serbian one. It dosent have an Serbian flag and taxes dont go to Serbia. Hey if you can call it Serbian then I can call it Albanian :)

As for Kosova. It's not under foreign occupation since we have our own institution and control our territory. Of course we also have allies worldwied who support us and help us on building our democratic institutions stronger. Our economy is growing and we are building roads to every village and highways connecting Kosova with all neighbouring countrys. Next year we Will form our own army. We make the future bright for our citizens day by day for ad long as it takes. With succes of Kosova we will beat Serbia and not with war. Northern Kosova is part of Kosova and we are integrating that part peacefully. Everything is going our way. You serbs can only sit back, relax and watch the show. In a couple of years with our succes and American Help we will have an strong army to defend our self.

How come you dont liberate Krajina??
Kosova will stay independent Jovan and there is nothing you can do about that. If there would be another war between Serbs and Albanians as you seem to hope then Albanians will be ready and well equiped. We will have hands, eyes and weapons just like serbs this time.

I guess you Will have to learn how to accept Kosova as free and independent. Just how you learned that with Krajina.

And yes Jovan we won what is rightfully ours!!

I see the ultranationalists are starting out the week with a very elevated mood. Claims of the omnipotence of Serbia and how it rules the world.
For a country that has been around before Adam and Eve as believed by many here. Some facts are Serbia ranks 85 in the listing of countries in GDP, credit rating was recently dropped to a BB- with a negative outlook, the dinar has dropped 35% against the Euro and 40% on the dollar in the last year, the only economic news is the granting of more loans and selling off of Euros to stay afloat. You are ranked even with the most corrupt country of the EU on the Corruption Perception Index.
Your newly elected govt that ran on a promise not to freeze wages no sooner than started says they are not going to freeze them just not raise them? and possibly reduce some.
You pin your hopes on the 2 most powerful entities in both military and economics, the EU and US are going to collapse.
You claim a southern province that you have not controlled in 13years and must get permission for even your leaders to visit.
And yet you claim the EU "needs" you more than you need the EU!
Your highs are like the helium balloons at a party, they have no substance to keep them afloat and soon are resting wrinkled on the floor.

Montenegro is a serbian state. don´t forget that they only seperated from Serbia with bought ballot papers from quickly naturalized Albanians.. furthermore, KiM is still serbian territory and with China and Russia behind Serbia, this will stay that way, even if it is temporarily occupied territory.

Important!!!
Oh dear you got China and russia on you side but how about US,Britain nd France?? also with veto rights.
as long as we r recognised from all of our friendly neighbours your Montenegro (serbian land you say??)Macedonia and of course our brothers, Nato member, Albania we are ok. for serbia its ok. is there any problem if Syria didn't recognise Islael so is if serbia didn't recognise Kosovo. its entirly up to you when you will make this step the sooner the better for you and your struggling economy and poverty. Serbia is in the brink of economically collapsed you will see very soon..

True, but with #86, at least Serbia reached EU-level, while Kosovo ranked below (#112) and shares the honor of being the most corrupt 'country'(?) in whole Europe together with Moldova.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 August 2012 12:01)
And you are PROUD to compare yourself to a country which you claim is not even a country that had its entire infrastructure destroyed less than 15 years ago and has not even been in control of themselves the majority of the last 10 years?
WooHoo, Lets not set our goals too high now.
by the way Kosovo ranks higher than your beloved Godfather, Russia, on the CPI.

icj1, 28 August 2012 04:13)
“Money is the same, dear, regardless where it comes from. EU does not have any morals – it would take the money even from the poor Chinese if the Chinese are that stupid to give it to the rich EU”
This is why I no longer debate you. You have shown your entire understanding on what it means when you borrow on a scale the EU is doing right now from the Chinese.
(sj, 28 August 2012 11:09)

Exactly, my understanding can never be compared with yours who are the CE of the B92 forums and illuminate with your preachings the darkness that sourrounds these forums. So, yes, the EU has no morals and has no shame to borrow huge, astronomical amounts from the Chinese if the poor Chinese are that stupid to give it to the rich EU. Unfortunately, the rotten capitalist world knows only one God - the money. Rather they need to follow the example of people who follow ideals like the ideals of 1389 in order to live a better life :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

(Nikolle, 28 August 2012 20:13)

I’m not talking about Kosovo, but that is true. However, if Kosovo was under Belgrade’s control the western press would be howling about the level of corruption on a daily basis – there would be campaigns of alerting the public to the evils of Serbia, but since it under the watchful eye of democracy its overlooked and not mentioned as often. Why do you think the US wants Julian Assange in America – for his health? – he exposed the US hypocracy.

How many times have you heard or read about Saudi Arabia or Bahrain or Jordan mentioned in the corruption or human rights stakes? Yes every now and then there is an article but that is all. Then look at the campaign over Syria – day after day.

In other words it holds 80% of all the water, arable land, minerals and energy that was held by Yugoslavia.
(sj, 27 August 2012 13:57)

Oh, finally… thanks sj for showing the facts to these forums. The ignorance here is so pervasive – nobody seems to understand what a paradise Serbia is.
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You would have to be a simpleton to believe that crap about EU membership. Serbia has no intensions of joining the EU – its all politics nothing else.
(sj, 27 August 2012 13:57)

Thanks God… Kosovo was started to get worried that Serbia wants to really get EU membership.
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However, look at the EU, its on the verge of bankruptcy – its asking the Chinese to help them out. Hello, the EU asking the Communist Chinese for help!!!!!!!!
(sj, 27 August 2012 13:57)

Money is the same, dear, regardless where it comes from. EU does not have any morals – it would take the money even from the poor Chinese if the Chinese are that stupid to give it to the rich EU.
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Starving Serbs in Serbia, oh yeah. It’s your Albanians that are starving.
(sj, 27 August 2012 13:57)

Yeah, I agree… Albanians are trying to compete with the 10000 Serbian children who have only one meal per day. But that’s a very high standard for Albanians to achieve.
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On the issues of aid, Kosova costs $1 billion per year to run.
(sj, 27 August 2012 13:57)

Actually, my Malaysian friend tells me it’s $102.6095421 billion per year…

no no sj, transparency international is NOT America, so i have no idea what Assange has to do with anything here. if this corruption index was dictated by the evil west, they'd have put their pet project Kosova higher up the list. they haven't and they haven't for a simple reason, it is a pretty corrupt place. so do not take their word for one instance and ignore it all other times. if you think they're lying on Russia, do the following, travel to Russia, deal with officials, and publish your findings, no one is going to stop you from trying

Why do you think the US wants Julian Assange in America – for his health? – he exposed the US hypocracy.
(sj, 29 August 2012 04:49)

No, that's not possible... The CE of the B92 forums sj exposed that much earlier than Assange illuminating the minds of all posters here. Everybody who read the excellent insights from sj, learned nothing new from Assange.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist