Kosovo “won’t join EU as part of Serbia”

"Serwer noted that “the RS claim of independence would reignite the Bosnian war, as each of the ethnic groups seeks to lay claim to territory it regards as its own”."

And he doesn't think that applies to Kosovo? What an ignorant idiot!
Its more likely there will be another war in Kosovo then Bosnia.

Ah, so the gist of Serwer's argument is that the US supports Kosovo and doesn't support RS. Both are statelets founded on ethnic cleansing and war crimes, but since the US supports Kosovo, it is a legitimate case while RS isn't because the US doesn't. The world must be so simple and easy for people like Serwer. I only wonder how this visionary thinks Kosovo will join the EU if not as a part of Serbia? For all the limitations he places on RS, it *is* part of an internationally recognized and represented country, making its eventual EU membership uncontested. America's little pet project south of the Ibar on the other hand remains only partially recognized and sovereign. No one ever talks about that :)

This Daniel Serwer is an expert idiot. What total political hypocrite. FYI, less then half of Serbia's citizens want it..hopefully the rest will wake up and show Brussels the middle finger.

Serwer also hinted that if the RS would be granted independence that the rump islamic state that would be left over would become a ground for islamic terrorists and extremists. Yet apparently that did not happen when Kosovo was granted independence by some. Too many holes in the theories he brings voice too and shows how out of touch he might be.

Bosnian Muslims graffiti before the outbreak of war "sign Alija even if it as big as the backyard" and in hindsight?. No one has the will for war except politicos who won't put their butts on the line.

For a couple of articles from people with some more real expertise

press here,

http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/forgotten-failure-bosnia-7365

http://www.transconflict.com/2012/08/bosnias-ragged-demise-158/

As an American by birth and a decendent of native American people, I find his logic contradictory given that the US was born on ethnic cleansing of native American people.

“The Croat-dominated southern portions would also secede from Bosnia, leaving a nonviable rump Islamic state that would be a platform for Iranian terrorism’,” he explained."

I don't know why serbs should worry about the muslim part of Bosnia just because the americans are worrying that the muslim part will become a haven for terrorism. If the serbs and croats decide to go their own way there is nothing anyone can do about it. Not even the bankrupped americans. And their filosophy about accepting ethnic clensing in Kosovo and rewarding albanians a state but not the serbs in Bosnia is just too much. I wonder if this guy believes everything he says. One day, may it be in 100 years, RS will see the light at the end of the tunnel. Independence is a sure thing. Only a matter of time.

while the bosnian serb republic is a functioning entity, still, it is no state. it´s an entity at this point.

on the other side KiM is not state, and very likely will never be one. the difference is: the Serbs have international law on their side, not to forget justice, moral and history.

the Albanians in southern Serbia have none of them.

sooner or later, even the stupidest k-albanian will realize that there is no way to get away what is serbian historcially, legally and morally.

there is simply no way. and times are constantly changing. Albanians let your children learn serbian, otherwise they will have problems finding a job...

Independent RS!!! It's the only solution ...

"The RS, which occupies the 49 per cent of Bosnia-Herzegovina, is the product of an ethnic cleansing campaign conducted during the Bosnian war (1992-95). Few non-Serbs have been able to return."

In total contrast to Kosovo, which consists of 10-20% of Serbia, is a product of ethnic cleansing, and where few non-Albanians have been able to return :)

yea so, serbia wont ever join the EU anyway nobody cares for the broke EU and broke america so this article was a waste of time to read ...america is trying to hard to take kosovo for themselves lol and wasting money while the people in america are starving in the streets...the other funny thing is kosovo is still serbia and they have no recognition by countries that matter in this day and age and not yesterday lol if you know what i mean and the countries that matter are
brazil,russia,india,china,south africa and majority of the big countries with power...

Ah, so the gist of Serwer's argument is that the US supports Kosovo and doesn't support RS. Both are statelets founded on ethnic cleansing and war crimes...
(Balkan Anthropologist, 21 August 2012 16:45)

Wrong, Kosovo and its borders is a product of the Yugoslavian Constitution of 1974. RS is a product of ethnic cleansing and genocide of the last Balkan war. If RS would have existed as an predefined entity during Yugoslavian times, e.g. as a province, the situation with Kosovo would be closer, though still different. RS, however, has no relation whatsoever to anything in the past, but is purely a product as genocide. Even granting it the entity status within Bosnia is questioning, but still a compromise which all parties have agreed on. That's the end of the story.

"Serwer noted that “the RS claim of independence would reignite the Bosnian war, as each of the ethnic groups seeks to lay claim to territory it regards as its own”."

And he doesn't think that applies to Kosovo? What an ignorant idiot!
Its more likely there will be another war in Kosovo then Bosnia.
(MikeC, 21 August 2012 17:00)

When Serbs attacked Croatia and Bosnia they didn't want Kosovo Albanians have the same rights.

Commentator wrote:
"but is purely a product as genocide"

To the people who use this as gospel, please look at the ethnic maps of Bosnia and Croatia before, and after the war, and re asses your comments please.

As far as Kosovo is concerned, it's a TOTAL biproduct of ethnic oversaturation, dressed up as a political solution.

Mr. Daniel S. needs to understand the Richard Holbrooke is dead, and needs to move beyond old State Department tendencies.

US expert for Balkans Mr.Daniel Serwer:Kosovo "Wont join EU as part of Serbia"That maybe true Mr.Serwer but Kosovo will never become sovereign State.UNSC Resolution 1244 guarantee territorial integrity of Serbia.Therefore,UNSC and Serbia alone can grant Kosovo sovereignty and that is not forthcoming.West can not bomb Serbia anymore and economic sanctions are not possible either.So Mr.Serwer stew in your own juice and keep on entertaining your audience;Organs and human traffickers, terrorists and other criminal elements with your wishful thinking.Serbia is pursuing path of democracy, economic growth,market economy and trading with any country wishing to trade with them.Serbia is not threatening anyone.West should take good look at itself it may see the ugly face of 21 century.

Here we go, old "friends" of the Serbs, Germany, supporting Serbia's enemies. Come on Germany, get over losing the world wars and taking revenge for it now.
Kosovo is an illegal entity, built on crime (organ trafficking, drugs) and foreign greed (all the politicians, Albright, Clark etc. who are now trying to buy the institutions and rights to exploit resources in Kosovo and Metohija) not to mention islamic fundamentalism. Nobody wants them to join the "civilised" world aka EU.

Pipe

Very interesting links. Its a truth the ordinary person seldom get to read.

Balkan Anthropologist: Whilst it would be interesting to hear Mr Serwer's views on Kosovo membership of the EU, it is worth bearing in mind that he was discussing Serbia's application not Kosovo's. In effect what he was saying is that if Serbia wishes to join it will do so without Kosovo; it does not follow that Kosovo would therefore be admitted as a sovereign state. As for RS membership, you are right that it will join but it will do so as part of BiH. What the interaction between the EU and the RS would be thereafter is so distant in time from today that not even Dodik will be around in politics!

The Nazi allies Croatia will join EU fast track while Serbia must spit blood to join EU. Kosovo was,is and will be Serbian.

“The RS is not sovereign and will not be. But that begs the question, why can’t the RS be sovereign,”
Then he comes with morality -always a laughable matter when addressed by an American. Bosnia is the result of a declaration of independence which was not only against the Yugoslav constitution, but also against international law. When RS in turn wanted independence, this was considered illegal. Double standards. The US is good at carving up areas. See what they are doing in the middle east. One has to realize that every war the US has been involved in since Vietnam has been to serve the US purpose of controlling Eurasia. Divide and conquer.

From Pipe's comment, there are links to two articles, in case you didn't click through, one by the New York Times on rampant corruption and theft in Bosnia (here's looking at you Bakir)* and the other on Amanpour's jaundiced reporting**

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http://www.nytimes.com/1999/08/17/world/leaders-in-bosnia-are-said-to-steal-up-to-1-billion.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

Leaders in Bosnia are said to steal up to $1 Billion? August 17, 1999

**
http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/30/the-biases-of-christiane-amanpour/

Christiane Amanpour’s biased reporting causes a backlash to her selection as host of ABC’s This Week, 07/30/2010

while the bosnian serb republic is a functioning entity, still, it is no state. it´s an entity at this point.

on the other side KiM is not state, and very likely will never be one. the difference is: the Serbs have international law on their side, not to forget justice, moral and history.

the Albanians in southern Serbia have none of them.

sooner or later, even the stupidest k-albanian will realize that there is no way to get away what is serbian historcially, legally and morally.

there is simply no way. and times are constantly changing. Albanians let your children learn serbian, otherwise they will have problems finding a job...
(Jovan, 21 August 2012 17:48)

E Jovane Jovane

Beacause of people like you, ''We, Albanians got back what belongs to us'' Don't you worry as I speak fluent Serbian, but that is only an advantage for me, maybe Serbs in Kosovo will have to learn Albanian as they will have to use it in daily basis, and the more languages people speak, the more intelligent they are.It is only a good thing.

Balkan anthropologist rightly points out that the 1974 Constitution stated that Kosovo was an autonomous region of the Republic of Serbia. What he (she) doesn't mention is that it was the taking away of this status in 1989 by Milosevic that sparked the Balkan conflicts. As far as Kosovo Albanians were concerned, once Milosevic had made this move all pretence that they, and other republics within Jugoslavia, would be treated equally by his regime was gone. Unfortunately for Serbians today it was this approach from their former leader that has cast them unfairly as international pariahs. A first step towards rectifying this situation would be to put as much distance as possible between themselves and his policies. That does not mean accepting Kosovo independence but it does mean turning away from the type of language that I regularly see on this site that characterises Kosovo Albanians as little better than hillbillies who need the superior Serbs running their territory for them. Clearly only a minority of Serbs feel like this but it is an unfortunate fact that the world tends to hear their voices not those of the majority of decent upstanding citizens.

So maybe "Kosovo" wasn't a very good idea after all!
And if Kosovo, then why not Tibet or Kurdistan? Saddam Hussain anyone? Kurds in Iran? In Turkey?
Nagorno Karabakh?
Ossetia?
Abkhazia?

This nationalist masturbation over Kosovo has gone on for far too long! Maybe it's time for Belgrade to clean its own backyard: unemployment, poverty, economic crisis, depreciating currency. At least all of the above can be rectified, whereas Kosovo is lost once and forever, morally and legally.

Milosevic reduced Kosovo's autonomous status to semi-autonomous status. By not writing this a false impression is given of the facts. This also comes years after non-stop abuses by albanians against non-albanians when they did have autonomy, long before Milosevic was on the scene.

The Kosovo War was a Conspiracy between the Euro-American Government Mafia and the Albanian Mafia, against the Innocent Serbia, and it a War Crime against Innocent Albanians and Serbs, and the Kosovo Albanians Demand that joining the EU in a Cyprus Type Situation be awarded as Compensation.

The Kosovo Albanians must get an Honest Government that is Loyal to the People of Serbian South Kosovo, and they must insist that Serbian South Kosovo joins the European Union.

An Honest Kosovo Albanian Government stands prepared to tell the world of the Illegal and Immoral Clinton American War Crimes over the Kosovo war, and will File Genocide Lawsuits against Euro-American Countries, if it proves necessary.

In effect what he was saying is that if Serbia wishes to join it will do so without Kosovo; it does not follow that Kosovo would therefore be admitted as a sovereign state.
(Rudolf, 21 August 2012 19:01)

Very true very true. I'm no fan of the EU, but Serbia shouldn't be weighed down with Kosovo's backwardness. At this point, Kosovo can join the EU by being EU administrated territory. Serbia can join when it joins. Kosovo can join in the next 30 years. Let's dispense with any pretense of Kosovo having any say of its own.

Kosovo and its borders is a product of the Yugoslavian Constitution of 1974. RS is a product of ethnic cleansing and genocide of the last Balkan war.
(Commentator, 21 August 2012 21:10)

And according to that 1974 constitution, Kosovo is an autonomous part of the Republic of Serbia, or did you forget about that? Up until 1999 international law recognized that until the US decided to think differently because it suited their interests. How long after 1974 was that? 25 years? Cool. It's been 20 years since Dayton so RS has another 5 years to go before Bosnia breaks up and it can also violate international law. And like RS, Kosovo was also founded on "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide". Yet no one seems to be upset about that as they are for RS. If you really want to split hairs, RS has more direct control over the territory it claims as "Kosova". I prefer a united Bosnia as I prefer a united Serbia, but if we can't have one, there's no need to have the other.

Are we therefore to believe that all the other leaders in Serbia between 1974 and 1989 were happy to turn a blind eye to the "non-stop abuses" and it was only comrade Milosevic who had the balls to sort it out? I hear similar tales of 'Islamic fundamentalism' in Bosnia and yet during many years of living there I saw myriad signs of decadent Western society. It is no surprise that the Kosovo Albanians turned down Tadic's offer of full autonomy having seen it given and taken away previously. No doubt had it been given by Boris, someone like Nikolic would have found a reason to remove it once more; perhaps more of these "non-stop abuses" would have reared their heads. There is organised crime, primarily drug smuggling, across the whole of the Balkans; Kosovo, Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia....so to single out Kosovo as a hotbed of this activity is disingenuous in the extreme. As Mercutio might have said "a plague on both your glass houses"...

"And according to that 1974 constitution, Kosovo is an autonomous part of the Republic of Serbia, or did you forget about that?"

No I didn't. I was merely pointing out the circumstances of the creation. Kosovo was build upon an (obsolete) constitution which has been violently removed by Serbian nationalism. The Serbian product, RS, was build upon ethnic cleansing, mass raping/murder and genocide.

"It's been 20 years since Dayton so RS has another 5 years to go before Bosnia breaks up and it can also violate international law."

Breaking a peace treaty of a war where you lost so dearly, is not so clever. But if Banja Luka wants to send an invitation to the Hrvatska Garda, that would be a way to issue it. Just calculate one or two days upon arrival.

"And like RS, Kosovo was also founded on "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide". Yet no one seems to be upset about that as they are for RS."

Not according the ICJ. They saw the Serbian entity as an product of genocide, not Kosovo.

"If you really want to split hairs, RS has more direct control over the territory it claims as "Kosova"."

I don't split hairs, I just see that some try to avoid a 2nd Kraina.

"I prefer a united Bosnia as I prefer a united Serbia, but if we can't have one, there's no need to have the other."
(Balkan Anthropologist, 22 August 2012 00:33)

I prefer peace in the Balkans but since Serbs wanted to establish Velika Srbija, I can't see the reverse the destruction and logical consequences of it.

sooner or later, even the stupide k-albanian will realize that there is no way to get away what is serbian historcially, legally and morally.

there is simply no way. and times are constantly changing. Albanians let your children learn serbian, otherwise
What's thiswhile the bosnian serb republic is a functioning entity, still, it is no state. it´s an entity at this point.

on the other side KiM is not state, and very likely will never be one. the difference is: the Serbs have international law on their side, not to forget justice, moral and history.

there is simply no way. and times are constantly changing. Albanians let your children learn serbian, otherwise they will have problems finding a job...
(Jovan, 21 August 2012 17:48)

Heh you Serbs commenting from your heart sm of you even using words like 'idiiots' but u tell me what more idiots comments u can get here. Even calling Albanians to learn to speake Serbian to find jobs?? Look at you Serbs your unemplyment bankrupt state you have and find jobs for ur selves and feed ur children because ours r ok. Sewer is an accured analyst and speaking the truth RS is made up from genocide while Kosovo fought peacefully the world saw that and that's why today we have state - whether ur heart want or not, and I am afraid you can't do much about it... All u can do is scream loud but be carefull cose ur voice may go. We don't want u Serbs can u do anything about that?? Nothing nothing at all..

Kosovo won’t join the EU as part of Serbia because France, Germany, the UK and co won't allow this and anyone who thinks otherwise needs their head examining.

Their gang, their rules!

Clearly Serbia and its officials are not concerned about their economic crisis. They're hung up on Kosova's issue, an issue that is completely out of their reach. Yet, Serbia's dinar has not stopped from falling, people starving. Serbia definitely needs to change its policy, much more than Kosova does. Serbs may think were nor progressing, they are wrong. Countries keep on recognizing us, soon we will reach a certain number of recognition's which will allow us to take a spot at UN, even though Vuk Jeremic is UNGA leader, which will only last for a year. I wouldn't be surprised if they impeach him. Serbia really picked one uneducated, nationalist to represent Serbia at this meeting. Serbia keeps on digging a deeper hole each time they think they will climb up the latter.

"The RS, which occupies the 49 per cent of Bosnia-Herzegovina, is the product of an ethnic cleansing campaign conducted during the Bosnian war (1992-95). Few non-Serbs have been able to return."
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How many non Muslims have been able to return to 'Bosnian' territories?
If the Serbs are unable to return there and their homes are now being occupied by Muslims isn't this ethnic cleansing also?
What happened was exchange of territory or ethnic cleansing on both sides.
If anyone disagrees could they please provide us with facts like how many Serbs left one part and settled in another as a result? I know for a fact that most of the Serbs from certain part of Sarajevo left never to return. What would you call this?

Peggy: the answer to your question depends on why they left. If they were forced out at gunpoint then I would call it ethnic cleansing. How many this applies to I don't know. As for the fact that someone may have taken over their home, whilst this would constitute illegal occupation of that premises it doesn't necessarily follow that the current occupier is an ethnic cleanser. It's likely that they are an opportunist.

"Serwer noted that “the RS claim of independence would reignite the Bosnian war, as each of the ethnic groups seeks to lay claim to territory it regards as its own”."

And he doesn't think that applies to Kosovo? What an ignorant idiot!
Its more likely there will be another war in Kosovo then Bosnia.

Ah, so the gist of Serwer's argument is that the US supports Kosovo and doesn't support RS. Both are statelets founded on ethnic cleansing and war crimes, but since the US supports Kosovo, it is a legitimate case while RS isn't because the US doesn't. The world must be so simple and easy for people like Serwer. I only wonder how this visionary thinks Kosovo will join the EU if not as a part of Serbia? For all the limitations he places on RS, it *is* part of an internationally recognized and represented country, making its eventual EU membership uncontested. America's little pet project south of the Ibar on the other hand remains only partially recognized and sovereign. No one ever talks about that :)

This Daniel Serwer is an expert idiot. What total political hypocrite. FYI, less then half of Serbia's citizens want it..hopefully the rest will wake up and show Brussels the middle finger.

"Serwer noted that “the RS claim of independence would reignite the Bosnian war, as each of the ethnic groups seeks to lay claim to territory it regards as its own”."

And he doesn't think that applies to Kosovo? What an ignorant idiot!
Its more likely there will be another war in Kosovo then Bosnia.
(MikeC, 21 August 2012 17:00)

When Serbs attacked Croatia and Bosnia they didn't want Kosovo Albanians have the same rights.

Ah, so the gist of Serwer's argument is that the US supports Kosovo and doesn't support RS. Both are statelets founded on ethnic cleansing and war crimes...
(Balkan Anthropologist, 21 August 2012 16:45)

Wrong, Kosovo and its borders is a product of the Yugoslavian Constitution of 1974. RS is a product of ethnic cleansing and genocide of the last Balkan war. If RS would have existed as an predefined entity during Yugoslavian times, e.g. as a province, the situation with Kosovo would be closer, though still different. RS, however, has no relation whatsoever to anything in the past, but is purely a product as genocide. Even granting it the entity status within Bosnia is questioning, but still a compromise which all parties have agreed on. That's the end of the story.

while the bosnian serb republic is a functioning entity, still, it is no state. it´s an entity at this point.

on the other side KiM is not state, and very likely will never be one. the difference is: the Serbs have international law on their side, not to forget justice, moral and history.

the Albanians in southern Serbia have none of them.

sooner or later, even the stupidest k-albanian will realize that there is no way to get away what is serbian historcially, legally and morally.

there is simply no way. and times are constantly changing. Albanians let your children learn serbian, otherwise they will have problems finding a job...

Independent RS!!! It's the only solution ...

yea so, serbia wont ever join the EU anyway nobody cares for the broke EU and broke america so this article was a waste of time to read ...america is trying to hard to take kosovo for themselves lol and wasting money while the people in america are starving in the streets...the other funny thing is kosovo is still serbia and they have no recognition by countries that matter in this day and age and not yesterday lol if you know what i mean and the countries that matter are
brazil,russia,india,china,south africa and majority of the big countries with power...

Serwer also hinted that if the RS would be granted independence that the rump islamic state that would be left over would become a ground for islamic terrorists and extremists. Yet apparently that did not happen when Kosovo was granted independence by some. Too many holes in the theories he brings voice too and shows how out of touch he might be.

Bosnian Muslims graffiti before the outbreak of war "sign Alija even if it as big as the backyard" and in hindsight?. No one has the will for war except politicos who won't put their butts on the line.

For a couple of articles from people with some more real expertise

press here,

http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/forgotten-failure-bosnia-7365

http://www.transconflict.com/2012/08/bosnias-ragged-demise-158/

As an American by birth and a decendent of native American people, I find his logic contradictory given that the US was born on ethnic cleansing of native American people.

“The Croat-dominated southern portions would also secede from Bosnia, leaving a nonviable rump Islamic state that would be a platform for Iranian terrorism’,” he explained."

I don't know why serbs should worry about the muslim part of Bosnia just because the americans are worrying that the muslim part will become a haven for terrorism. If the serbs and croats decide to go their own way there is nothing anyone can do about it. Not even the bankrupped americans. And their filosophy about accepting ethnic clensing in Kosovo and rewarding albanians a state but not the serbs in Bosnia is just too much. I wonder if this guy believes everything he says. One day, may it be in 100 years, RS will see the light at the end of the tunnel. Independence is a sure thing. Only a matter of time.

Clearly Serbia and its officials are not concerned about their economic crisis. They're hung up on Kosova's issue, an issue that is completely out of their reach. Yet, Serbia's dinar has not stopped from falling, people starving. Serbia definitely needs to change its policy, much more than Kosova does. Serbs may think were nor progressing, they are wrong. Countries keep on recognizing us, soon we will reach a certain number of recognition's which will allow us to take a spot at UN, even though Vuk Jeremic is UNGA leader, which will only last for a year. I wouldn't be surprised if they impeach him. Serbia really picked one uneducated, nationalist to represent Serbia at this meeting. Serbia keeps on digging a deeper hole each time they think they will climb up the latter.

while the bosnian serb republic is a functioning entity, still, it is no state. it´s an entity at this point.

on the other side KiM is not state, and very likely will never be one. the difference is: the Serbs have international law on their side, not to forget justice, moral and history.

the Albanians in southern Serbia have none of them.

sooner or later, even the stupidest k-albanian will realize that there is no way to get away what is serbian historcially, legally and morally.

there is simply no way. and times are constantly changing. Albanians let your children learn serbian, otherwise they will have problems finding a job...
(Jovan, 21 August 2012 17:48)

E Jovane Jovane

Beacause of people like you, ''We, Albanians got back what belongs to us'' Don't you worry as I speak fluent Serbian, but that is only an advantage for me, maybe Serbs in Kosovo will have to learn Albanian as they will have to use it in daily basis, and the more languages people speak, the more intelligent they are.It is only a good thing.

"And according to that 1974 constitution, Kosovo is an autonomous part of the Republic of Serbia, or did you forget about that?"

No I didn't. I was merely pointing out the circumstances of the creation. Kosovo was build upon an (obsolete) constitution which has been violently removed by Serbian nationalism. The Serbian product, RS, was build upon ethnic cleansing, mass raping/murder and genocide.

"It's been 20 years since Dayton so RS has another 5 years to go before Bosnia breaks up and it can also violate international law."

Breaking a peace treaty of a war where you lost so dearly, is not so clever. But if Banja Luka wants to send an invitation to the Hrvatska Garda, that would be a way to issue it. Just calculate one or two days upon arrival.

"And like RS, Kosovo was also founded on "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide". Yet no one seems to be upset about that as they are for RS."

Not according the ICJ. They saw the Serbian entity as an product of genocide, not Kosovo.

"If you really want to split hairs, RS has more direct control over the territory it claims as "Kosova"."

I don't split hairs, I just see that some try to avoid a 2nd Kraina.

"I prefer a united Bosnia as I prefer a united Serbia, but if we can't have one, there's no need to have the other."
(Balkan Anthropologist, 22 August 2012 00:33)

I prefer peace in the Balkans but since Serbs wanted to establish Velika Srbija, I can't see the reverse the destruction and logical consequences of it.

"The RS, which occupies the 49 per cent of Bosnia-Herzegovina, is the product of an ethnic cleansing campaign conducted during the Bosnian war (1992-95). Few non-Serbs have been able to return."

In total contrast to Kosovo, which consists of 10-20% of Serbia, is a product of ethnic cleansing, and where few non-Albanians have been able to return :)

Balkan Anthropologist: Whilst it would be interesting to hear Mr Serwer's views on Kosovo membership of the EU, it is worth bearing in mind that he was discussing Serbia's application not Kosovo's. In effect what he was saying is that if Serbia wishes to join it will do so without Kosovo; it does not follow that Kosovo would therefore be admitted as a sovereign state. As for RS membership, you are right that it will join but it will do so as part of BiH. What the interaction between the EU and the RS would be thereafter is so distant in time from today that not even Dodik will be around in politics!

This nationalist masturbation over Kosovo has gone on for far too long! Maybe it's time for Belgrade to clean its own backyard: unemployment, poverty, economic crisis, depreciating currency. At least all of the above can be rectified, whereas Kosovo is lost once and forever, morally and legally.

The Nazi allies Croatia will join EU fast track while Serbia must spit blood to join EU. Kosovo was,is and will be Serbian.

sooner or later, even the stupide k-albanian will realize that there is no way to get away what is serbian historcially, legally and morally.

there is simply no way. and times are constantly changing. Albanians let your children learn serbian, otherwise
What's thiswhile the bosnian serb republic is a functioning entity, still, it is no state. it´s an entity at this point.

on the other side KiM is not state, and very likely will never be one. the difference is: the Serbs have international law on their side, not to forget justice, moral and history.

there is simply no way. and times are constantly changing. Albanians let your children learn serbian, otherwise they will have problems finding a job...
(Jovan, 21 August 2012 17:48)

Heh you Serbs commenting from your heart sm of you even using words like 'idiiots' but u tell me what more idiots comments u can get here. Even calling Albanians to learn to speake Serbian to find jobs?? Look at you Serbs your unemplyment bankrupt state you have and find jobs for ur selves and feed ur children because ours r ok. Sewer is an accured analyst and speaking the truth RS is made up from genocide while Kosovo fought peacefully the world saw that and that's why today we have state - whether ur heart want or not, and I am afraid you can't do much about it... All u can do is scream loud but be carefull cose ur voice may go. We don't want u Serbs can u do anything about that?? Nothing nothing at all..

Milosevic reduced Kosovo's autonomous status to semi-autonomous status. By not writing this a false impression is given of the facts. This also comes years after non-stop abuses by albanians against non-albanians when they did have autonomy, long before Milosevic was on the scene.

Are we therefore to believe that all the other leaders in Serbia between 1974 and 1989 were happy to turn a blind eye to the "non-stop abuses" and it was only comrade Milosevic who had the balls to sort it out? I hear similar tales of 'Islamic fundamentalism' in Bosnia and yet during many years of living there I saw myriad signs of decadent Western society. It is no surprise that the Kosovo Albanians turned down Tadic's offer of full autonomy having seen it given and taken away previously. No doubt had it been given by Boris, someone like Nikolic would have found a reason to remove it once more; perhaps more of these "non-stop abuses" would have reared their heads. There is organised crime, primarily drug smuggling, across the whole of the Balkans; Kosovo, Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia....so to single out Kosovo as a hotbed of this activity is disingenuous in the extreme. As Mercutio might have said "a plague on both your glass houses"...

So maybe "Kosovo" wasn't a very good idea after all!
And if Kosovo, then why not Tibet or Kurdistan? Saddam Hussain anyone? Kurds in Iran? In Turkey?
Nagorno Karabakh?
Ossetia?
Abkhazia?

Here we go, old "friends" of the Serbs, Germany, supporting Serbia's enemies. Come on Germany, get over losing the world wars and taking revenge for it now.
Kosovo is an illegal entity, built on crime (organ trafficking, drugs) and foreign greed (all the politicians, Albright, Clark etc. who are now trying to buy the institutions and rights to exploit resources in Kosovo and Metohija) not to mention islamic fundamentalism. Nobody wants them to join the "civilised" world aka EU.

Balkan anthropologist rightly points out that the 1974 Constitution stated that Kosovo was an autonomous region of the Republic of Serbia. What he (she) doesn't mention is that it was the taking away of this status in 1989 by Milosevic that sparked the Balkan conflicts. As far as Kosovo Albanians were concerned, once Milosevic had made this move all pretence that they, and other republics within Jugoslavia, would be treated equally by his regime was gone. Unfortunately for Serbians today it was this approach from their former leader that has cast them unfairly as international pariahs. A first step towards rectifying this situation would be to put as much distance as possible between themselves and his policies. That does not mean accepting Kosovo independence but it does mean turning away from the type of language that I regularly see on this site that characterises Kosovo Albanians as little better than hillbillies who need the superior Serbs running their territory for them. Clearly only a minority of Serbs feel like this but it is an unfortunate fact that the world tends to hear their voices not those of the majority of decent upstanding citizens.

Pipe

Very interesting links. Its a truth the ordinary person seldom get to read.

Kosovo won’t join the EU as part of Serbia because France, Germany, the UK and co won't allow this and anyone who thinks otherwise needs their head examining.

Their gang, their rules!

Commentator wrote:
"but is purely a product as genocide"

To the people who use this as gospel, please look at the ethnic maps of Bosnia and Croatia before, and after the war, and re asses your comments please.

As far as Kosovo is concerned, it's a TOTAL biproduct of ethnic oversaturation, dressed up as a political solution.

Mr. Daniel S. needs to understand the Richard Holbrooke is dead, and needs to move beyond old State Department tendencies.

US expert for Balkans Mr.Daniel Serwer:Kosovo "Wont join EU as part of Serbia"That maybe true Mr.Serwer but Kosovo will never become sovereign State.UNSC Resolution 1244 guarantee territorial integrity of Serbia.Therefore,UNSC and Serbia alone can grant Kosovo sovereignty and that is not forthcoming.West can not bomb Serbia anymore and economic sanctions are not possible either.So Mr.Serwer stew in your own juice and keep on entertaining your audience;Organs and human traffickers, terrorists and other criminal elements with your wishful thinking.Serbia is pursuing path of democracy, economic growth,market economy and trading with any country wishing to trade with them.Serbia is not threatening anyone.West should take good look at itself it may see the ugly face of 21 century.

The Kosovo War was a Conspiracy between the Euro-American Government Mafia and the Albanian Mafia, against the Innocent Serbia, and it a War Crime against Innocent Albanians and Serbs, and the Kosovo Albanians Demand that joining the EU in a Cyprus Type Situation be awarded as Compensation.

The Kosovo Albanians must get an Honest Government that is Loyal to the People of Serbian South Kosovo, and they must insist that Serbian South Kosovo joins the European Union.

An Honest Kosovo Albanian Government stands prepared to tell the world of the Illegal and Immoral Clinton American War Crimes over the Kosovo war, and will File Genocide Lawsuits against Euro-American Countries, if it proves necessary.

In effect what he was saying is that if Serbia wishes to join it will do so without Kosovo; it does not follow that Kosovo would therefore be admitted as a sovereign state.
(Rudolf, 21 August 2012 19:01)

Very true very true. I'm no fan of the EU, but Serbia shouldn't be weighed down with Kosovo's backwardness. At this point, Kosovo can join the EU by being EU administrated territory. Serbia can join when it joins. Kosovo can join in the next 30 years. Let's dispense with any pretense of Kosovo having any say of its own.

Kosovo and its borders is a product of the Yugoslavian Constitution of 1974. RS is a product of ethnic cleansing and genocide of the last Balkan war.
(Commentator, 21 August 2012 21:10)

And according to that 1974 constitution, Kosovo is an autonomous part of the Republic of Serbia, or did you forget about that? Up until 1999 international law recognized that until the US decided to think differently because it suited their interests. How long after 1974 was that? 25 years? Cool. It's been 20 years since Dayton so RS has another 5 years to go before Bosnia breaks up and it can also violate international law. And like RS, Kosovo was also founded on "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide". Yet no one seems to be upset about that as they are for RS. If you really want to split hairs, RS has more direct control over the territory it claims as "Kosova". I prefer a united Bosnia as I prefer a united Serbia, but if we can't have one, there's no need to have the other.

“The RS is not sovereign and will not be. But that begs the question, why can’t the RS be sovereign,”
Then he comes with morality -always a laughable matter when addressed by an American. Bosnia is the result of a declaration of independence which was not only against the Yugoslav constitution, but also against international law. When RS in turn wanted independence, this was considered illegal. Double standards. The US is good at carving up areas. See what they are doing in the middle east. One has to realize that every war the US has been involved in since Vietnam has been to serve the US purpose of controlling Eurasia. Divide and conquer.

"The RS, which occupies the 49 per cent of Bosnia-Herzegovina, is the product of an ethnic cleansing campaign conducted during the Bosnian war (1992-95). Few non-Serbs have been able to return."
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How many non Muslims have been able to return to 'Bosnian' territories?
If the Serbs are unable to return there and their homes are now being occupied by Muslims isn't this ethnic cleansing also?
What happened was exchange of territory or ethnic cleansing on both sides.
If anyone disagrees could they please provide us with facts like how many Serbs left one part and settled in another as a result? I know for a fact that most of the Serbs from certain part of Sarajevo left never to return. What would you call this?

Peggy: the answer to your question depends on why they left. If they were forced out at gunpoint then I would call it ethnic cleansing. How many this applies to I don't know. As for the fact that someone may have taken over their home, whilst this would constitute illegal occupation of that premises it doesn't necessarily follow that the current occupier is an ethnic cleanser. It's likely that they are an opportunist.

From Pipe's comment, there are links to two articles, in case you didn't click through, one by the New York Times on rampant corruption and theft in Bosnia (here's looking at you Bakir)* and the other on Amanpour's jaundiced reporting**

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http://www.nytimes.com/1999/08/17/world/leaders-in-bosnia-are-said-to-steal-up-to-1-billion.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

Leaders in Bosnia are said to steal up to $1 Billion? August 17, 1999

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http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/30/the-biases-of-christiane-amanpour/

Christiane Amanpour’s biased reporting causes a backlash to her selection as host of ABC’s This Week, 07/30/2010