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Wednesday, 08.08.2012.

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UN chief sharply criticizes Kosovo police

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has harshly criticized Kosovo police over a series of mistakes made in the previous three months.

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Pascale

pre 11 godina

Some here in this comments wrote that on Kosovo is better now than before when Serbs have control over it … it is better to have depleted uranium then Serbs..if that is the prize Albanian want to pay I am 100 % for it…just enjoy in fresh air that USA provide to you!!

icj1

pre 11 godina

Very 'freely' and 'democratic' - but only compared to Iran and Russia :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 9 August 2012 12:26)

And Serbia, according to Tomislav http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=05&dd=12&nav_id=80214

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

no aaayyy. Kosova is neither Serbian-Albanian land nor Albania-Serbian land, Kosova is just land full stop. truth though is, its inhabited predominately by Albanians, in fact, the population ratio in 9-1. in a democracy numbers matter, whether you like it or not, so no matter how much you protest, Albanians will have more of a say, its pure demographics.

oh and Balkan, no matter what else you come up with, Kosova now is still BETTER than it was at ANY point under Belgrade. Miles better

aaayyy

pre 11 godina

To Kermit and Nikolle,

You comments imply that central Serbia is Serbian land while Kosovo* is only Albanian land, which is wrong. Kosovo*, whatever status it has, is Serbian-Albanian land.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

"Where most of the expelled returned"

why do you use words like expelled? i thought you people believe it never happened? i thought you believed we just acted scared for the western TV cameras or we were escaping NATO bombing?

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

and even if every single thing you wrote there happens to be true (it isn't) it is still infinitely better than it was at ANY time under Belgrade. not partially better, INFINITELY better
(Nikolle, 9 August 2012 10:35)

Oops, silly me. I forgot to include the March 2004 riots, the Podujevo bus bombing, and of course the shooting of children swimming in Gorazdevac. I also forgot to mention the level of terror and intimidation against Serbs and other ordinary people have been happening consistently for the past 15 years by people who proclaim to be democrats, Europeans, and leaders who are INFINITELY better than their former Serb tormentors. Slobo's little adventure in law enforcement was, what, a few months? Where most of the expelled returned. Yes, "Kosova" is a paradise. We all love what you've done with the place :)

dori tirana

pre 11 godina

And no, this is not a problem of a 'new democracy', but a general problem of corrupt individuals who think 'I am the state' and who only care for themselves, their criminal business and their clan mates instead of being civil servants for all people.
(Comm. Parrisson, 9 August 2012 15:01)

You mean this kind of individual that kill Zoran Djindjic. Was this people Kalbanian?
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/13/world/serbs-premier-is-assassinated-led-in-reforms.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

Or like mans of Zemun clan. A place like Serbia that 10 years after Milosevic elect like premier Dacic can not learn much for democracy to the others.

Kermit

pre 11 godina

Confiscating T-Shirts with Cyrillic letters and Serbian flags - only possible in the multiethnic, democratic Kosovo (where people can use Albanian like they want, of course). In the previous years when UNMIK, EULEX and KFOR was responsible, the vidovdan celebrations passed without incidents. How come?
(Comm. Parrisson, 9 August 2012 16:02)

And in most democratic Serbia some busloads of Albanians could go to Belgrade and display the Albanian flag? For sure you would be the first to defend them against Partizan fans.
Thank you for that!

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"he criticized the Kosovo Police force for their actions, not EULEX, not UNMIK. Is that an aknowledgement of who he considers the legitimate authorities in Kosovo? I believe so! "
(think about it, 8 August 2012 22:46)

Legitimate or not, the socalled 'Kosovo police' was criticized for their unprofessional and inappropriate actions. Confiscating T-Shirts with Cyrillic letters and Serbian flags - only possible in the multiethnic, democratic Kosovo (where people can use Albanian like they want, of course). In the previous years when UNMIK, EULEX and KFOR was responsible, the vidovdan celebrations passed without incidents. How come?

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

Yet more rubbish Comm. cyrilic writing was not banned, provocative messages (hailing Sloba is provocative in Kosova for a simple reason) were banned and quite right too. Of course, that did not stop them from signing and shouting the praises of those famous humanitarians Karadzic and Mladic. Do you think I can carry banners in Belgrade praising Hashim Thaci?

Kermit

pre 11 godina

once KiM is liberated, most Albanians who stay
(Jovan, 9 August 2012 15:25)

And the rest will get a nice rest in a cosy mass grave?

Jovan

pre 11 godina

"J" wrote: The UN is there to fool the masses into thinking that they, and their poor little countries matter and their voice affects world matters. The UN is an illusion. So what makes you, or breaks you as Serbia learned in 99, is not the UN. Its the big boys. The rest of the little begging countries dont matter at all.

well my dear k-albanian friend "J", some day you will be crying for that very same organisation... when your "friends" the "big boys" let you down.

and then, Serbia will be the big boy for you. but don´t worry, once KiM is liberated, most Albanians who stay, will see an improvement, compared to that crippled pseudo-statelet that you call "kosovaaah".

everything in its proper time...

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"I also didn’t miss your actual President Nicolic, that also pretend for fraud on the first round. These are usual story of new democracies in Balkan and East Europe. Kosova is not an exception of this part of world. "
(dori tirana, 9 August 2012 14:15)

Sorry, unconfirmed claims by some opposition parties about election irregularities (like happened in Serbia) is not comparable to proven massive election fraud, confirmed by all international observers (like in Kosovo). As far as I know, international observers didn't have major objections on the last Serbian elections, unlike on the ones organized by 'Kosovo authorities'.

And no, this is not a problem of a 'new democracy', but a general problem of corrupt individuals who think 'I am the state' and who only care for themselves, their criminal business and their clan mates instead of being civil servants for all people.

dori tirana

pre 11 godina

'Freely elected institutions'? Did you miss the last Kosovo 'elections' where all kind of fraud took place, mostly committed by the parties which now form the current government? Very 'freely' and 'democratic' - but only compared to Iran and Russia :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 9 August 2012 12:26)

No I didn’t miss? I also didn’t miss your actual President Nicolic, that also pretend for fraud on the first round. These are usual story of new democracies in Balkan and East Europe. Kosova is not an exception of this part of world. If you read my post carefully I said that Kosova institutions has problems(the vote institution also), but give some time Kosova as you have given to the new democracies in Albania, Macedonia, Croatia, Serbia and so on. If you really wish that democracy develop at this part of the World, if not you can be happy for the opposite. For one thing I’m sure that if real democracy will be installed in Kosova this will be done only from the people of Kosova. The people of Kosova are 95 % Albanians. You like or not only the Albanians has the possibility to install democracy at this part of the World, the other has only one possibility to install Apartheid or Milosevic.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Now they have freely elected institutions. Only this fact is enough to prove that Kosova of today is thousand times better than Kosova of Yugoslavia. We know that democratic institutions are not perfect specially in countries without democratic tradition like Serbia or Kosova, but we also know that democracy is the best system proven still now."
(dori tirana, 9 August 2012 09:29)

'Freely elected institutions'? Did you miss the last Kosovo 'elections' where all kind of fraud took place, mostly committed by the parties which now form the current government? Very 'freely' and 'democratic' - but only compared to Iran and Russia :)

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 11 godina

When it comes to the U.N. Secretary General and anyone for that matter who are critical of Kosova police let's supposed that if Kosovar-Albanian police officials expressed an interest in purchasing or leasing at least a few or relatively few American automobiles such as the Ford Crown Victoria or even the Ford Taurus and/or Police Interceptor,Dodge Charger and or Chevrolet Impala or American politicians suggest to the Kosovar govt that the police "employ" a fleet or small fleet of American vehicles will there be an accusation that U.S. is somehow complicit in the injustice or alleged injustice commited by Kosovar police all because someone may argue that 'Kosovar police isn't always just and the U.S. wants to "reward" them by supplying the Kosovo police with American vehicles??'Personally it wouldn't matter to me if the U.S. supplies some vehicles to Kosovo police but then again Kosovo police may simply have no need for U.S. vehicles or they may be costly to purchase or lease or maintain or even fuel up (some American vehicles are labeled "gas guzzlers".)I should mention that these U.S.vehicles(especially "Crown Vics") appear common among American & Canadian police agencies and there was even a time (at least in the '90s)when Moscow police utilized a few Crown Victorias.Finally I thought I'd mention this because the U.S. & Kosovo maintain relatively amicable or amiable relations with each other.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

"Balkan Anthropologist"

and even if every single thing you wrote there happens to be true (it isn't) it is still infinitely better than it was at ANY time under Belgrade. not partially better, INFINITELY better

dori tirana

pre 11 godina

Since the story is written and known is the first time that people of Kosova(Albanian&Serb) have the possibility to vote for their institutions. This is called freedom and this is called democracy. Before they had Illyrian, Roman, Byzantine, Ottoman, Serbian rulers. Now they have freely elected institutions. Only this fact is enough to prove that Kosova of today is thousand times better than Kosova of Yugoslavia. We know that democratic institutions are not perfect specially in countries without democratic tradition like Serbia or Kosova, but we also know that democracy is the best system proven still now.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

Kosova now is infinitely better than it was ANY time when Serbia had control. no village burning or mass expulsion today
(Nikolle, 8 August 2012 13:27)

No, just far too frequent acts of violence, arson, theft, unsolved murder, church looting, cemetery desecration, vote rigging, ballot stuffing, money laundering, tax evasion, inbred racism, and impotent political chest thumping for a resoundingly naive population who think too highly of themselves. All within the general framework of democratic state building and massive amounts of international economic assistance :)

PS - the absence of mass expulsions has more to do with the inability to get, let alone afford, a visa. Once that is granted, self-imposed mass expulsions in Kosovo will put anything Milosevic could throw at you to shame :)

WTF?

pre 11 godina

(albana, 8 August 2012 18:33)

I don't know what to be more amazed at albana: that you know how to use a computer or that your village has electricity.

Ardi Asllani

pre 11 godina

As far as how harsh he criticized the Kosovo police we will see when the real report is released. In the big picture one thing everyone seems to be missing is: he criticized the Kosovo Police force for their actions, not EULEX, not UNMIK. Is that an aknowledgement of who he considers the legitimate authorities in Kosovo? I believe so!
(think about it, 8 August 2012 22:46)

There is no UNMIK Police in Kosova. Like you said on top of your comment; " Lets wait till we see the real report". The truth will set you free.

icj1

pre 11 godina

what a comment! which surrounding country has had an issue with Kosova
(Nikolle, 8 August 2012 14:22)

Please, there is no hope that serbs will ever understand that... all Yugoslav nations run for the door as soon as they could; still Serbs think that all others were at fault, except Serbs :)

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

exKfor, you've gone and confused yourself totally. lets see, you consider K. Albanians to be jihadists, all of them. Serbian army kicks them out, NATO moves in, they return, Serb army can do nothing....do you follow me :-) ? even now Serbian army can do nothing because of the service that people like you in Kfor. all you personally can do is write jihadist this jihadist that, nothing else. you can see who has more of a voice in Kosova and it certainly isn't Belgrade. thanks again

j

pre 11 godina

It is very heart warming that you have world powers such as the US and Germany pushing an independent Albanian KiM, but they do not have the authority to make it come true - the UN does - of course with the blessing of Serbia. (ecoman, 8 August 2012 19:01)

Ecoman, you have it all wrong. The UN is not the world's government. It doesn't make states. It doesn't govern them. The UN is a ploy for the small minded. It is simply used to disguise the fact that very few powerful countries hold a large influence in the world.The UN could stop working tomorrow and you wouldnt see a difference. The states would still be there even if there was no UN. Serbia was still a state even when the UN threw you out. The UN is there to fool the masses into thinking that they, and their poor little countries matter and their voice affects world matters. The UN is an illusion. So what makes you, or breaks you as Serbia learned in 99, is not the UN. Its the big boys. The rest of the little begging countries dont matter at all.

Jasmina

pre 11 godina

This is the best news after a long time..I can believe that someone criticizes Albanian police at last…is there some new thing happen..change of power in Serbia maybe ??!!

Peggy

pre 11 godina

I think every country probably had a murder, an assault, a burglary, vandalism, within in last few days.
(Hmm, 8 August 2012 16:32)
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Sure, an odd one here and there but definitely not all against the same ethnic group done by the same ethnic group.
When it's all happening against the same people, then we have hate crimes and that's a very definite no no.

think about it

pre 11 godina

As far as how harsh he criticized the Kosovo police we will see when the real report is released. In the big picture one thing everyone seems to be missing is: he criticized the Kosovo Police force for their actions, not EULEX, not UNMIK. Is that an aknowledgement of who he considers the legitimate authorities in Kosovo? I believe so!

get real

pre 11 godina

But what I like - at least our units took out and disabled plenty of muslim terrorists in Kosovska Mitrovica in 2004...hence, contrary to your logic that I/we kept Serbs out from KiM , we continued where they left off...am I following you correctly?
(exKFOR, 8 August 2012 16:41)
I think most countries called that riots. Genocide is usually a highly organized program by the govt, like Srebrenica. There were 19 people killed of which less than half were Serb.
And you can stop with the exKFOR, language assistants who lost their job due to downsizing are not part of the KFOR troops. If you were really Kfor you would have known that Kfor did not act until the last ofthe 3days, they considered it a police matter.

ecoman

pre 11 godina

Last but not least, Kosovo without serb people would be 100 percent better. Kosovo's land belongs to Albanians people and only to them. - albana
And why does Kosovo belong only to Albanians, albana? Haven't the Serbs been in Kosovo since at least the 7th century? They have lived there, fought there, died there, and survived their from the occupational forces of the Ottoman Empire, and Nazi Germany. They built their great monasteries, improved the infrastructure, worked the land, made investments in their birthplace. Why would the Serbs then not be t least part owners of KiM? What exactly have the Albanians that have lived in Kosovo for centuries done to improve the land of Metohija - little. If you are clinging to your Illyrian, or dardanian roots, or whatever, give us all a break. That theory is disputed at best, and many historians feel it is pure jibberish. There is no actual proof that Albanians have even been in the Balkans for as long as they claim. So albana, no one is disputing Albania, you have rights to claim that as yours, but KiM, sorry, that is Serbian land. We paid a lot greater price for it, than any Albanian settlers.

ecoman

pre 11 godina

dori, would you, and others of your opinion, please stop calling Kosovo and Metohija a State. It is Serbia's Southern province. Your UDI was legal, OK, but it did not make you a State. If KiM truly was independent, we would not be having these conversations, would we? I am sorry, but the status of KiM is still disputed, and still under the governance of UNSC res. 1244. It is very heart warming that you have world powers such as the US and Germany pushing an independent Albanian KiM, but they do not have the authority to make it come true - the UN does - of course with the blessing of Serbia.

ecoman

pre 11 godina

omaz, I don't know what you are trying to say? Albanian part of KiM always looked like that - and still does. I think there were more Serbs and other minorities driven permanently out of KiM, than what the Serbian MUP ever did to Kosovo Albanians. That is why the UN is not happy, all the serbs and other minorities are afraid for their ives to come back. They are afraid you Albanians may kill them. That is the truth.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

Now none of this can be right since the United States keeps saying Kosovo is a model democracy where multiethnic coexistence, civil liberties, and the rule of law are overflowing in abundance. It's obvious what's happened here. Ban Ki Moon is a Serbo-Russian-Greek agent who is paid to slander the KLA-led government in Pristina. Charges should immediately be brought against him and the entire UN for spreading such lies and Serbian propaganda :)

albana

pre 11 godina

Last but not least, Kosovo without serb people would be 100 percent better. Kosovo's land belongs to Albanians people and only to them. A view of that Serbia will see sooner or later. Ban and everyone should understand this once and forever.Its true, Kosovo institutions still keeps some corrupted politicians but this is not the main problem. People of Kosovo will keep their country on its feet. Don't worry you little sons of Miloshevic ;). Serbia is just like Nokia. I thought that you have learned that!

Janet tan

pre 11 godina

The wheel is turning round and round,we have wait long time but I hope it will turn in Serbian benefit and that someone will recognize breaking of human rights in Kosovo !!!

Susanna

pre 11 godina

Since long,long time we and all world especially Washington knows (they collect money from it ) that Kosovo is just the road for drug smugglers … that is nothing new…small Albanian people who leave comments here are work for some small pay and they do not know what is happening in they own country (still our)…try to go on google and you will find answers …if you know how to google !!?

omaz

pre 11 godina

These PHOTOS speak for themselves. What actions of Serbian MUP turned Pec/Peja and Djakovica/Gjakova to.

http://www.bardhimed.8m.com/images/gjakova,2000,.jpg

http://koha.net/repository/images/f1_29peja1333011307.jpg

Safe!

exKFOR

pre 11 godina

Kosova now is infinitely better than it was ANY time when Serbia had control. no village burning or mass expulsion today
(Nikolle, 8 August 2012 13:27)

hey lady, what is that http://www.enriko-waldmann.de/Bilder/2003_2004/Day_After_III/day_after_iii.html

that is called genocide where all the people of all ages and sexes are killed and survivors for sake of their lives are expelled - the result is a Serbfrei KiM. But what I like - at least our units took out and disabled plenty of muslim terrorists in Kosovska Mitrovica in 2004...hence, contrary to your logic that I/we kept Serbs out from KiM , we continued where they left off...am I following you correctly?

Zoran

pre 11 godina

Kosova now is infinitely better than it was ANY time when Serbia had control. no village burning or mass expulsion today
(Nikolle, 8 August 2012 13:27)
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You mean after the Albanians have almost expelled all Serbs and other non-Albanians and burned pretty much everything they could? The last mass expulsion and mass destruction occurred back in 2004 by Albanians in peace time.

Now you claim the Serbs did it beforehand at a time when you invited the NATO death machine to cause havoc throughout Serbia and you guys are pretty happy about that. Not to worry though, as you sow...

dori tirana

pre 11 godina

Serbian state is 150 years old.
Kosova state is 4 years old.
As I notice the two states face the same problems. I hope that Kosova will learn by the mistakes of Serbian state and will progress in right way.
I don’t understand the people here that speak as Kosova is an exception of other Balkan states. Give Kosova and yourself some time to make your judgment for the New Born State. Be positive and optimistic people.

Hmm

pre 11 godina

Yes, there are only single houses and churches looted now and then, and only a few people killed or their cars stoned per week, but it's not masses, true.
(Comm. Parrisson, 8 August 2012 15:49
When you say it like that almost seems like every other country in the world doesn't it. Just that you pay particular interest if it happens to a Serb. I think every country probably had a murder, an assault, a burglary, vandalism, within in last few days.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

Comm. Parrisson

even if your claim was true (it isn't) it is still WAYYYY WAYYYY better than it was at ANY point under Serbian control

Mmm

pre 11 godina

Kosova now is infinitely better than it was ANY time when Serbia had control. no village burning or mass expulsion today
(Nikolle, 8 August 2012 13:27)

Notice in the article the multi ethnic mix including Albanians that have had to come back and many more having trouble returning. The time you talk about only one ethnicity for some reason (have a wild stab) left. Mmm seems like one did it to guarantee a multi ethnicity the other thinks ethnicly pure state is better. Only one state can guarantee security, the project should be over.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

Kosova now is infinitely better than it was ANY time when Serbia had control. no village burning or mass expulsion today
(Nikolle, 8 August 2012 13:27)

Yes, there are only single houses and churches looted now and then, and only a few people killed or their cars stoned per week, but it's not masses, true.

Questioner

pre 11 godina

"Do you know that During 1990's every Serb over 18 had Police uniform and they had duties on weekend or during the week!!! Many of them unqualified as the guard to the city Library would stop us during the weekend as Police officer!!!! Or my Serbian neighboor who spend 6month in jail for stilling after release was back to his duties :) "
(Gjakovari, 8 August 2012 13:12)

All right, Einstein said: Everything is relative. So, compared to these, KPS officers are surely highly qualified and skilled :)

palladium

pre 11 godina

I seriously wonder if the report also mentioned return of the 1,700 Albanians, Bosniaks and Turks, who were expelled in 2000 from N. Mitrovica by Serbs in there. Let's play it fair with accusations!

Bridge

pre 11 godina

What happend to downs looking kristian kahrs? did he got his €500 back? Lmfao
Keep doing your thing Kristian, your a funny dude!

onlyme

pre 11 godina

@Comm. Parrison
your comments finely described what constitute most parts of Serbia
and B92 can verify this, a human traffic smuggler shot days ago by Romanian police, RPG attacks and individual drug clans killing each other and members of public i.e. Zemun clan and lets not forget the hefty ransom money mentioned against government figures including Mr Dacic, stop making propaganda against Albanians

Susan Levitz

pre 11 godina

I hope this is the result of new government in Serbia …as a matter of fact I know this is the result of that,because we have been on ground zero with human rights on Kosovo during the time that Democratic party is negotiated with Kosovo leadership !!!

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

"The nightmare for police, normal people and the surrounding countries,"

what a comment! which surrounding country has had an issue with Kosova besides Serbia? none. seriously more garbage

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

Helsingborg

Kosova now is infinitely better than it was ANY time when Serbia had control. no village burning or mass expulsion today

Commentator

pre 11 godina

Sure, RTS picks the negative parts mostly.
(Comm. Parrisson, 8 August 2012 11:18)

Wrong, RTS picks the negative parts only(!) and leaves the rest deliberately out, so more or less what Albanians are used to since Milosevic's time. This where I made my point. I even linked the source where you can have all information, including the one you were repeating, and not RTS filtered tendency.

That are facts. Have you not been taught that half-truths are just as lies, sometimes even worse?

ecoman

pre 11 godina

Yes, haris, everything is Albanian, including the name Ari - although I remember a famous Greek shipping magnate named Ari Onassis. It is also a popular Jewish and Armenian name. Google, it if you want to learn more. Albanians crack me up, you think that the roots to everything started in Albania - little did.

Gjakovari

pre 11 godina

It might be reality, but if these bunch of unprofessional and unqualified people recruited from former 'freedom fighters' deserves to be called 'police' I have some doubts about.

P.S: I heard in Italy, mafia has an own 'police'
(Questioner, 8 August 2012 12:39)

Do you know that During 1990's every Serb over 18 had Police uniform and they had duties on weekend or during the week!!! Many of them unqualified as the guard to the city Library would stop us during the weekend as Police officer!!!! Or my Serbian neighboor who spend 6month in jail for stilling after release was back to his duties :)

I am sure in Serbia many Serbs who fought in Croatia , Bosnia, or Kosovo are still in military uniform this is Fact go to Jagodina and see Djakovica MUP is based there and you will see your self.

Come to Kosovo and you will see your dream ( nightmare) is true!!!

Ned Taylor

pre 11 godina

Questioner: you refer to the KPS as being unqualified and unprofessional. Let me assure you that they are not alone in the Balkans in possessing these two attributes. I worked for many years with the police in Bosnia, both the Serbs in the RS and others in the Federation and the vast majority fit squarely into the definition that you provide for the KPS. Unlike Western Europe where police officers are generally respected by the public and appropriately rewarded for their efforts on behalf of those same people, their counterparts in the Balkans are considered overweight figures of fun and are paid a pittance. I'm surprised that anyone would willingly take the job. Clearly I am aware that opportunities exist to bolster one's salary through unofficial means both in the Balkans and elsewhere, and in that regard Western Europe is not exempt.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

Come to Kosovo and you will see your dream ( nightmare) is true!!!
(Gjakovari, 8 August 2012 13:12)


Will? Kosovo already is the nightmare which became true! The nightmare for police, normal people and the surrounding countries, but a paradise for gangsters, corrupt politicians who can abuse billions of donor money, and last but not least for (drug) mafia clans who now have a safe place to do their business in Europe.

Helsingborg

pre 11 godina

Tell us something we don't know. We've been telling you for years these kalbs in charge are a blight on humanity and decency. At the moment Kosovo is a criminal enterprise supported by NATO. Nothing more, nothing less. There are good people there, but they are too scared to come forward.

ecoman

pre 11 godina

In particular, I expect strong efforts toward the normalization of relations with Belgrade - Ban
Commentator, do you feel that statement sheds a positives light on Pristina Albanians? Sounds more like a hope, a wish, than a fact. I am not sure why Albanians do not want to admit that the multi-ethnic Newborn is not working? It is clear that the KiM Albanians do not want minorities amongst them - especially Serbs. That is as pure as day, yet they deny that.

haris

pre 11 godina

The "Kosovo* Police" is not real. They are just armed temporary occupiers in Serbia's holy southern province.
(Ari Gold, 8 August 2012 10:54)

Come in kosovo and tall them that kosovo police is not real
At least KP the are not korropt like in serbia
Ari gold by the way ARI is albanian name ok

Questioner

pre 11 godina

"Come in kosovo and tall them that kosovo police is not real "
(haris, 8 August 2012 12:19)

It might be reality, but if these bunch of unprofessional and unqualified people recruited from former 'freedom fighters' deserves to be called 'police' I have some doubts about.

P.S: I heard in Italy, mafia has an own 'police'

modesty blaise

pre 11 godina

Finally, the truth comes out. Let's hope it stays out, and that this is the beginning of the end of albanian terrorism and crime in Kosovo.

Commentator

pre 11 godina

The one-sided and over exaggerated view of RTS. And now here the facts:

“Together with the Kosovo Team, much has been achieved in building democratic institutions, strengthening the rule of law, protecting minority rights, facilitating dialogue and promoting confidence between communities.”
[...]
“In particular, I expect strong efforts toward the normalization of relations with Belgrade, including through the same serious and sincere commitment to dialogue which I have asked from the Serbian leadership.”
(Ban Ki Moon, Pristina, 24th July 2012)

http://www.unmikonline.org/Pages/SG24072012.aspx

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"The one-sided and over exaggerated view of RTS. And now here the facts:"
(Commentator, 8 August 2012 11:02)

Sure, RTS picks the negative parts mostly. But if some nice words spoken out in Pristina should be called 'the facts', I have some doubts about:

The words: “Together with the Kosovo Team, much has been achieved in building democratic institutions, strengthening the rule of law, protecting minority rights, facilitating dialogue and promoting confidence between communities.”

is purely diplomatic language. You know: 'Much has been achieved' is the positive wording for the sentence 'The goal has not been reached, there's a lot more to do'

The wrong and unprofessional reaction of Kosovo police, the stoning of Serbian cars, looting and stealing from houses, the reduced number or returnees and the killing of persons because of their ethnicity (without the police being able to find the perpetrators) are facts, too.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

Good to see some of the truth coming out. Firstly, the NATO death machine is using "Kosova"* as a terrorist training ground. Also, the so-called KPS terrorised Serbian pilgrims on Vidovdan and the we see constant terrorist activities upon non-Albanians in KiM, which includes murder, destruction and fear.

This, in fact, is the main export of the NATO death machine and it suits the Albanian terrorists perfectly. Ideal partners in crime (genocide).

modesty blaise

pre 11 godina

Finally, the truth comes out. Let's hope it stays out, and that this is the beginning of the end of albanian terrorism and crime in Kosovo.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"The one-sided and over exaggerated view of RTS. And now here the facts:"
(Commentator, 8 August 2012 11:02)

Sure, RTS picks the negative parts mostly. But if some nice words spoken out in Pristina should be called 'the facts', I have some doubts about:

The words: “Together with the Kosovo Team, much has been achieved in building democratic institutions, strengthening the rule of law, protecting minority rights, facilitating dialogue and promoting confidence between communities.”

is purely diplomatic language. You know: 'Much has been achieved' is the positive wording for the sentence 'The goal has not been reached, there's a lot more to do'

The wrong and unprofessional reaction of Kosovo police, the stoning of Serbian cars, looting and stealing from houses, the reduced number or returnees and the killing of persons because of their ethnicity (without the police being able to find the perpetrators) are facts, too.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

Good to see some of the truth coming out. Firstly, the NATO death machine is using "Kosova"* as a terrorist training ground. Also, the so-called KPS terrorised Serbian pilgrims on Vidovdan and the we see constant terrorist activities upon non-Albanians in KiM, which includes murder, destruction and fear.

This, in fact, is the main export of the NATO death machine and it suits the Albanian terrorists perfectly. Ideal partners in crime (genocide).

ecoman

pre 11 godina

In particular, I expect strong efforts toward the normalization of relations with Belgrade - Ban
Commentator, do you feel that statement sheds a positives light on Pristina Albanians? Sounds more like a hope, a wish, than a fact. I am not sure why Albanians do not want to admit that the multi-ethnic Newborn is not working? It is clear that the KiM Albanians do not want minorities amongst them - especially Serbs. That is as pure as day, yet they deny that.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

Come to Kosovo and you will see your dream ( nightmare) is true!!!
(Gjakovari, 8 August 2012 13:12)


Will? Kosovo already is the nightmare which became true! The nightmare for police, normal people and the surrounding countries, but a paradise for gangsters, corrupt politicians who can abuse billions of donor money, and last but not least for (drug) mafia clans who now have a safe place to do their business in Europe.

Helsingborg

pre 11 godina

Tell us something we don't know. We've been telling you for years these kalbs in charge are a blight on humanity and decency. At the moment Kosovo is a criminal enterprise supported by NATO. Nothing more, nothing less. There are good people there, but they are too scared to come forward.

Commentator

pre 11 godina

The one-sided and over exaggerated view of RTS. And now here the facts:

“Together with the Kosovo Team, much has been achieved in building democratic institutions, strengthening the rule of law, protecting minority rights, facilitating dialogue and promoting confidence between communities.”
[...]
“In particular, I expect strong efforts toward the normalization of relations with Belgrade, including through the same serious and sincere commitment to dialogue which I have asked from the Serbian leadership.”
(Ban Ki Moon, Pristina, 24th July 2012)

http://www.unmikonline.org/Pages/SG24072012.aspx

haris

pre 11 godina

The "Kosovo* Police" is not real. They are just armed temporary occupiers in Serbia's holy southern province.
(Ari Gold, 8 August 2012 10:54)

Come in kosovo and tall them that kosovo police is not real
At least KP the are not korropt like in serbia
Ari gold by the way ARI is albanian name ok

Questioner

pre 11 godina

"Come in kosovo and tall them that kosovo police is not real "
(haris, 8 August 2012 12:19)

It might be reality, but if these bunch of unprofessional and unqualified people recruited from former 'freedom fighters' deserves to be called 'police' I have some doubts about.

P.S: I heard in Italy, mafia has an own 'police'

ecoman

pre 11 godina

Yes, haris, everything is Albanian, including the name Ari - although I remember a famous Greek shipping magnate named Ari Onassis. It is also a popular Jewish and Armenian name. Google, it if you want to learn more. Albanians crack me up, you think that the roots to everything started in Albania - little did.

ecoman

pre 11 godina

Last but not least, Kosovo without serb people would be 100 percent better. Kosovo's land belongs to Albanians people and only to them. - albana
And why does Kosovo belong only to Albanians, albana? Haven't the Serbs been in Kosovo since at least the 7th century? They have lived there, fought there, died there, and survived their from the occupational forces of the Ottoman Empire, and Nazi Germany. They built their great monasteries, improved the infrastructure, worked the land, made investments in their birthplace. Why would the Serbs then not be t least part owners of KiM? What exactly have the Albanians that have lived in Kosovo for centuries done to improve the land of Metohija - little. If you are clinging to your Illyrian, or dardanian roots, or whatever, give us all a break. That theory is disputed at best, and many historians feel it is pure jibberish. There is no actual proof that Albanians have even been in the Balkans for as long as they claim. So albana, no one is disputing Albania, you have rights to claim that as yours, but KiM, sorry, that is Serbian land. We paid a lot greater price for it, than any Albanian settlers.

Gjakovari

pre 11 godina

It might be reality, but if these bunch of unprofessional and unqualified people recruited from former 'freedom fighters' deserves to be called 'police' I have some doubts about.

P.S: I heard in Italy, mafia has an own 'police'
(Questioner, 8 August 2012 12:39)

Do you know that During 1990's every Serb over 18 had Police uniform and they had duties on weekend or during the week!!! Many of them unqualified as the guard to the city Library would stop us during the weekend as Police officer!!!! Or my Serbian neighboor who spend 6month in jail for stilling after release was back to his duties :)

I am sure in Serbia many Serbs who fought in Croatia , Bosnia, or Kosovo are still in military uniform this is Fact go to Jagodina and see Djakovica MUP is based there and you will see your self.

Come to Kosovo and you will see your dream ( nightmare) is true!!!

Peggy

pre 11 godina

I think every country probably had a murder, an assault, a burglary, vandalism, within in last few days.
(Hmm, 8 August 2012 16:32)
=================================
Sure, an odd one here and there but definitely not all against the same ethnic group done by the same ethnic group.
When it's all happening against the same people, then we have hate crimes and that's a very definite no no.

Commentator

pre 11 godina

Sure, RTS picks the negative parts mostly.
(Comm. Parrisson, 8 August 2012 11:18)

Wrong, RTS picks the negative parts only(!) and leaves the rest deliberately out, so more or less what Albanians are used to since Milosevic's time. This where I made my point. I even linked the source where you can have all information, including the one you were repeating, and not RTS filtered tendency.

That are facts. Have you not been taught that half-truths are just as lies, sometimes even worse?

Ned Taylor

pre 11 godina

Questioner: you refer to the KPS as being unqualified and unprofessional. Let me assure you that they are not alone in the Balkans in possessing these two attributes. I worked for many years with the police in Bosnia, both the Serbs in the RS and others in the Federation and the vast majority fit squarely into the definition that you provide for the KPS. Unlike Western Europe where police officers are generally respected by the public and appropriately rewarded for their efforts on behalf of those same people, their counterparts in the Balkans are considered overweight figures of fun and are paid a pittance. I'm surprised that anyone would willingly take the job. Clearly I am aware that opportunities exist to bolster one's salary through unofficial means both in the Balkans and elsewhere, and in that regard Western Europe is not exempt.

dori tirana

pre 11 godina

Serbian state is 150 years old.
Kosova state is 4 years old.
As I notice the two states face the same problems. I hope that Kosova will learn by the mistakes of Serbian state and will progress in right way.
I don’t understand the people here that speak as Kosova is an exception of other Balkan states. Give Kosova and yourself some time to make your judgment for the New Born State. Be positive and optimistic people.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

Kosova now is infinitely better than it was ANY time when Serbia had control. no village burning or mass expulsion today
(Nikolle, 8 August 2012 13:27)
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You mean after the Albanians have almost expelled all Serbs and other non-Albanians and burned pretty much everything they could? The last mass expulsion and mass destruction occurred back in 2004 by Albanians in peace time.

Now you claim the Serbs did it beforehand at a time when you invited the NATO death machine to cause havoc throughout Serbia and you guys are pretty happy about that. Not to worry though, as you sow...

Susanna

pre 11 godina

Since long,long time we and all world especially Washington knows (they collect money from it ) that Kosovo is just the road for drug smugglers … that is nothing new…small Albanian people who leave comments here are work for some small pay and they do not know what is happening in they own country (still our)…try to go on google and you will find answers …if you know how to google !!?

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

Now none of this can be right since the United States keeps saying Kosovo is a model democracy where multiethnic coexistence, civil liberties, and the rule of law are overflowing in abundance. It's obvious what's happened here. Ban Ki Moon is a Serbo-Russian-Greek agent who is paid to slander the KLA-led government in Pristina. Charges should immediately be brought against him and the entire UN for spreading such lies and Serbian propaganda :)

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

Kosova now is infinitely better than it was ANY time when Serbia had control. no village burning or mass expulsion today
(Nikolle, 8 August 2012 13:27)

Yes, there are only single houses and churches looted now and then, and only a few people killed or their cars stoned per week, but it's not masses, true.

Susan Levitz

pre 11 godina

I hope this is the result of new government in Serbia …as a matter of fact I know this is the result of that,because we have been on ground zero with human rights on Kosovo during the time that Democratic party is negotiated with Kosovo leadership !!!

exKFOR

pre 11 godina

Kosova now is infinitely better than it was ANY time when Serbia had control. no village burning or mass expulsion today
(Nikolle, 8 August 2012 13:27)

hey lady, what is that http://www.enriko-waldmann.de/Bilder/2003_2004/Day_After_III/day_after_iii.html

that is called genocide where all the people of all ages and sexes are killed and survivors for sake of their lives are expelled - the result is a Serbfrei KiM. But what I like - at least our units took out and disabled plenty of muslim terrorists in Kosovska Mitrovica in 2004...hence, contrary to your logic that I/we kept Serbs out from KiM , we continued where they left off...am I following you correctly?

Janet tan

pre 11 godina

The wheel is turning round and round,we have wait long time but I hope it will turn in Serbian benefit and that someone will recognize breaking of human rights in Kosovo !!!

ecoman

pre 11 godina

omaz, I don't know what you are trying to say? Albanian part of KiM always looked like that - and still does. I think there were more Serbs and other minorities driven permanently out of KiM, than what the Serbian MUP ever did to Kosovo Albanians. That is why the UN is not happy, all the serbs and other minorities are afraid for their ives to come back. They are afraid you Albanians may kill them. That is the truth.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

Helsingborg

Kosova now is infinitely better than it was ANY time when Serbia had control. no village burning or mass expulsion today

onlyme

pre 11 godina

@Comm. Parrison
your comments finely described what constitute most parts of Serbia
and B92 can verify this, a human traffic smuggler shot days ago by Romanian police, RPG attacks and individual drug clans killing each other and members of public i.e. Zemun clan and lets not forget the hefty ransom money mentioned against government figures including Mr Dacic, stop making propaganda against Albanians

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

"The nightmare for police, normal people and the surrounding countries,"

what a comment! which surrounding country has had an issue with Kosova besides Serbia? none. seriously more garbage

Mmm

pre 11 godina

Kosova now is infinitely better than it was ANY time when Serbia had control. no village burning or mass expulsion today
(Nikolle, 8 August 2012 13:27)

Notice in the article the multi ethnic mix including Albanians that have had to come back and many more having trouble returning. The time you talk about only one ethnicity for some reason (have a wild stab) left. Mmm seems like one did it to guarantee a multi ethnicity the other thinks ethnicly pure state is better. Only one state can guarantee security, the project should be over.

palladium

pre 11 godina

I seriously wonder if the report also mentioned return of the 1,700 Albanians, Bosniaks and Turks, who were expelled in 2000 from N. Mitrovica by Serbs in there. Let's play it fair with accusations!

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

Comm. Parrisson

even if your claim was true (it isn't) it is still WAYYYY WAYYYY better than it was at ANY point under Serbian control

albana

pre 11 godina

Last but not least, Kosovo without serb people would be 100 percent better. Kosovo's land belongs to Albanians people and only to them. A view of that Serbia will see sooner or later. Ban and everyone should understand this once and forever.Its true, Kosovo institutions still keeps some corrupted politicians but this is not the main problem. People of Kosovo will keep their country on its feet. Don't worry you little sons of Miloshevic ;). Serbia is just like Nokia. I thought that you have learned that!

Jasmina

pre 11 godina

This is the best news after a long time..I can believe that someone criticizes Albanian police at last…is there some new thing happen..change of power in Serbia maybe ??!!

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

Kosova now is infinitely better than it was ANY time when Serbia had control. no village burning or mass expulsion today
(Nikolle, 8 August 2012 13:27)

No, just far too frequent acts of violence, arson, theft, unsolved murder, church looting, cemetery desecration, vote rigging, ballot stuffing, money laundering, tax evasion, inbred racism, and impotent political chest thumping for a resoundingly naive population who think too highly of themselves. All within the general framework of democratic state building and massive amounts of international economic assistance :)

PS - the absence of mass expulsions has more to do with the inability to get, let alone afford, a visa. Once that is granted, self-imposed mass expulsions in Kosovo will put anything Milosevic could throw at you to shame :)

Questioner

pre 11 godina

"Do you know that During 1990's every Serb over 18 had Police uniform and they had duties on weekend or during the week!!! Many of them unqualified as the guard to the city Library would stop us during the weekend as Police officer!!!! Or my Serbian neighboor who spend 6month in jail for stilling after release was back to his duties :) "
(Gjakovari, 8 August 2012 13:12)

All right, Einstein said: Everything is relative. So, compared to these, KPS officers are surely highly qualified and skilled :)

ecoman

pre 11 godina

dori, would you, and others of your opinion, please stop calling Kosovo and Metohija a State. It is Serbia's Southern province. Your UDI was legal, OK, but it did not make you a State. If KiM truly was independent, we would not be having these conversations, would we? I am sorry, but the status of KiM is still disputed, and still under the governance of UNSC res. 1244. It is very heart warming that you have world powers such as the US and Germany pushing an independent Albanian KiM, but they do not have the authority to make it come true - the UN does - of course with the blessing of Serbia.

get real

pre 11 godina

But what I like - at least our units took out and disabled plenty of muslim terrorists in Kosovska Mitrovica in 2004...hence, contrary to your logic that I/we kept Serbs out from KiM , we continued where they left off...am I following you correctly?
(exKFOR, 8 August 2012 16:41)
I think most countries called that riots. Genocide is usually a highly organized program by the govt, like Srebrenica. There were 19 people killed of which less than half were Serb.
And you can stop with the exKFOR, language assistants who lost their job due to downsizing are not part of the KFOR troops. If you were really Kfor you would have known that Kfor did not act until the last ofthe 3days, they considered it a police matter.

WTF?

pre 11 godina

(albana, 8 August 2012 18:33)

I don't know what to be more amazed at albana: that you know how to use a computer or that your village has electricity.

Kermit

pre 11 godina

Confiscating T-Shirts with Cyrillic letters and Serbian flags - only possible in the multiethnic, democratic Kosovo (where people can use Albanian like they want, of course). In the previous years when UNMIK, EULEX and KFOR was responsible, the vidovdan celebrations passed without incidents. How come?
(Comm. Parrisson, 9 August 2012 16:02)

And in most democratic Serbia some busloads of Albanians could go to Belgrade and display the Albanian flag? For sure you would be the first to defend them against Partizan fans.
Thank you for that!

omaz

pre 11 godina

These PHOTOS speak for themselves. What actions of Serbian MUP turned Pec/Peja and Djakovica/Gjakova to.

http://www.bardhimed.8m.com/images/gjakova,2000,.jpg

http://koha.net/repository/images/f1_29peja1333011307.jpg

Safe!

Jovan

pre 11 godina

"J" wrote: The UN is there to fool the masses into thinking that they, and their poor little countries matter and their voice affects world matters. The UN is an illusion. So what makes you, or breaks you as Serbia learned in 99, is not the UN. Its the big boys. The rest of the little begging countries dont matter at all.

well my dear k-albanian friend "J", some day you will be crying for that very same organisation... when your "friends" the "big boys" let you down.

and then, Serbia will be the big boy for you. but don´t worry, once KiM is liberated, most Albanians who stay, will see an improvement, compared to that crippled pseudo-statelet that you call "kosovaaah".

everything in its proper time...

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

Yet more rubbish Comm. cyrilic writing was not banned, provocative messages (hailing Sloba is provocative in Kosova for a simple reason) were banned and quite right too. Of course, that did not stop them from signing and shouting the praises of those famous humanitarians Karadzic and Mladic. Do you think I can carry banners in Belgrade praising Hashim Thaci?

Bridge

pre 11 godina

What happend to downs looking kristian kahrs? did he got his €500 back? Lmfao
Keep doing your thing Kristian, your a funny dude!

Hmm

pre 11 godina

Yes, there are only single houses and churches looted now and then, and only a few people killed or their cars stoned per week, but it's not masses, true.
(Comm. Parrisson, 8 August 2012 15:49
When you say it like that almost seems like every other country in the world doesn't it. Just that you pay particular interest if it happens to a Serb. I think every country probably had a murder, an assault, a burglary, vandalism, within in last few days.

think about it

pre 11 godina

As far as how harsh he criticized the Kosovo police we will see when the real report is released. In the big picture one thing everyone seems to be missing is: he criticized the Kosovo Police force for their actions, not EULEX, not UNMIK. Is that an aknowledgement of who he considers the legitimate authorities in Kosovo? I believe so!

dori tirana

pre 11 godina

'Freely elected institutions'? Did you miss the last Kosovo 'elections' where all kind of fraud took place, mostly committed by the parties which now form the current government? Very 'freely' and 'democratic' - but only compared to Iran and Russia :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 9 August 2012 12:26)

No I didn’t miss? I also didn’t miss your actual President Nicolic, that also pretend for fraud on the first round. These are usual story of new democracies in Balkan and East Europe. Kosova is not an exception of this part of world. If you read my post carefully I said that Kosova institutions has problems(the vote institution also), but give some time Kosova as you have given to the new democracies in Albania, Macedonia, Croatia, Serbia and so on. If you really wish that democracy develop at this part of the World, if not you can be happy for the opposite. For one thing I’m sure that if real democracy will be installed in Kosova this will be done only from the people of Kosova. The people of Kosova are 95 % Albanians. You like or not only the Albanians has the possibility to install democracy at this part of the World, the other has only one possibility to install Apartheid or Milosevic.

Kermit

pre 11 godina

once KiM is liberated, most Albanians who stay
(Jovan, 9 August 2012 15:25)

And the rest will get a nice rest in a cosy mass grave?

dori tirana

pre 11 godina

And no, this is not a problem of a 'new democracy', but a general problem of corrupt individuals who think 'I am the state' and who only care for themselves, their criminal business and their clan mates instead of being civil servants for all people.
(Comm. Parrisson, 9 August 2012 15:01)

You mean this kind of individual that kill Zoran Djindjic. Was this people Kalbanian?
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/13/world/serbs-premier-is-assassinated-led-in-reforms.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

Or like mans of Zemun clan. A place like Serbia that 10 years after Milosevic elect like premier Dacic can not learn much for democracy to the others.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

and even if every single thing you wrote there happens to be true (it isn't) it is still infinitely better than it was at ANY time under Belgrade. not partially better, INFINITELY better
(Nikolle, 9 August 2012 10:35)

Oops, silly me. I forgot to include the March 2004 riots, the Podujevo bus bombing, and of course the shooting of children swimming in Gorazdevac. I also forgot to mention the level of terror and intimidation against Serbs and other ordinary people have been happening consistently for the past 15 years by people who proclaim to be democrats, Europeans, and leaders who are INFINITELY better than their former Serb tormentors. Slobo's little adventure in law enforcement was, what, a few months? Where most of the expelled returned. Yes, "Kosova" is a paradise. We all love what you've done with the place :)

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

no aaayyy. Kosova is neither Serbian-Albanian land nor Albania-Serbian land, Kosova is just land full stop. truth though is, its inhabited predominately by Albanians, in fact, the population ratio in 9-1. in a democracy numbers matter, whether you like it or not, so no matter how much you protest, Albanians will have more of a say, its pure demographics.

oh and Balkan, no matter what else you come up with, Kosova now is still BETTER than it was at ANY point under Belgrade. Miles better

j

pre 11 godina

It is very heart warming that you have world powers such as the US and Germany pushing an independent Albanian KiM, but they do not have the authority to make it come true - the UN does - of course with the blessing of Serbia. (ecoman, 8 August 2012 19:01)

Ecoman, you have it all wrong. The UN is not the world's government. It doesn't make states. It doesn't govern them. The UN is a ploy for the small minded. It is simply used to disguise the fact that very few powerful countries hold a large influence in the world.The UN could stop working tomorrow and you wouldnt see a difference. The states would still be there even if there was no UN. Serbia was still a state even when the UN threw you out. The UN is there to fool the masses into thinking that they, and their poor little countries matter and their voice affects world matters. The UN is an illusion. So what makes you, or breaks you as Serbia learned in 99, is not the UN. Its the big boys. The rest of the little begging countries dont matter at all.

icj1

pre 11 godina

what a comment! which surrounding country has had an issue with Kosova
(Nikolle, 8 August 2012 14:22)

Please, there is no hope that serbs will ever understand that... all Yugoslav nations run for the door as soon as they could; still Serbs think that all others were at fault, except Serbs :)

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Now they have freely elected institutions. Only this fact is enough to prove that Kosova of today is thousand times better than Kosova of Yugoslavia. We know that democratic institutions are not perfect specially in countries without democratic tradition like Serbia or Kosova, but we also know that democracy is the best system proven still now."
(dori tirana, 9 August 2012 09:29)

'Freely elected institutions'? Did you miss the last Kosovo 'elections' where all kind of fraud took place, mostly committed by the parties which now form the current government? Very 'freely' and 'democratic' - but only compared to Iran and Russia :)

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

"Where most of the expelled returned"

why do you use words like expelled? i thought you people believe it never happened? i thought you believed we just acted scared for the western TV cameras or we were escaping NATO bombing?

aaayyy

pre 11 godina

To Kermit and Nikolle,

You comments imply that central Serbia is Serbian land while Kosovo* is only Albanian land, which is wrong. Kosovo*, whatever status it has, is Serbian-Albanian land.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

exKfor, you've gone and confused yourself totally. lets see, you consider K. Albanians to be jihadists, all of them. Serbian army kicks them out, NATO moves in, they return, Serb army can do nothing....do you follow me :-) ? even now Serbian army can do nothing because of the service that people like you in Kfor. all you personally can do is write jihadist this jihadist that, nothing else. you can see who has more of a voice in Kosova and it certainly isn't Belgrade. thanks again

Ardi Asllani

pre 11 godina

As far as how harsh he criticized the Kosovo police we will see when the real report is released. In the big picture one thing everyone seems to be missing is: he criticized the Kosovo Police force for their actions, not EULEX, not UNMIK. Is that an aknowledgement of who he considers the legitimate authorities in Kosovo? I believe so!
(think about it, 8 August 2012 22:46)

There is no UNMIK Police in Kosova. Like you said on top of your comment; " Lets wait till we see the real report". The truth will set you free.

dori tirana

pre 11 godina

Since the story is written and known is the first time that people of Kosova(Albanian&Serb) have the possibility to vote for their institutions. This is called freedom and this is called democracy. Before they had Illyrian, Roman, Byzantine, Ottoman, Serbian rulers. Now they have freely elected institutions. Only this fact is enough to prove that Kosova of today is thousand times better than Kosova of Yugoslavia. We know that democratic institutions are not perfect specially in countries without democratic tradition like Serbia or Kosova, but we also know that democracy is the best system proven still now.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

"Balkan Anthropologist"

and even if every single thing you wrote there happens to be true (it isn't) it is still infinitely better than it was at ANY time under Belgrade. not partially better, INFINITELY better

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"I also didn’t miss your actual President Nicolic, that also pretend for fraud on the first round. These are usual story of new democracies in Balkan and East Europe. Kosova is not an exception of this part of world. "
(dori tirana, 9 August 2012 14:15)

Sorry, unconfirmed claims by some opposition parties about election irregularities (like happened in Serbia) is not comparable to proven massive election fraud, confirmed by all international observers (like in Kosovo). As far as I know, international observers didn't have major objections on the last Serbian elections, unlike on the ones organized by 'Kosovo authorities'.

And no, this is not a problem of a 'new democracy', but a general problem of corrupt individuals who think 'I am the state' and who only care for themselves, their criminal business and their clan mates instead of being civil servants for all people.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"he criticized the Kosovo Police force for their actions, not EULEX, not UNMIK. Is that an aknowledgement of who he considers the legitimate authorities in Kosovo? I believe so! "
(think about it, 8 August 2012 22:46)

Legitimate or not, the socalled 'Kosovo police' was criticized for their unprofessional and inappropriate actions. Confiscating T-Shirts with Cyrillic letters and Serbian flags - only possible in the multiethnic, democratic Kosovo (where people can use Albanian like they want, of course). In the previous years when UNMIK, EULEX and KFOR was responsible, the vidovdan celebrations passed without incidents. How come?

icj1

pre 11 godina

Very 'freely' and 'democratic' - but only compared to Iran and Russia :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 9 August 2012 12:26)

And Serbia, according to Tomislav http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=05&dd=12&nav_id=80214

Pascale

pre 11 godina

Some here in this comments wrote that on Kosovo is better now than before when Serbs have control over it … it is better to have depleted uranium then Serbs..if that is the prize Albanian want to pay I am 100 % for it…just enjoy in fresh air that USA provide to you!!

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 11 godina

When it comes to the U.N. Secretary General and anyone for that matter who are critical of Kosova police let's supposed that if Kosovar-Albanian police officials expressed an interest in purchasing or leasing at least a few or relatively few American automobiles such as the Ford Crown Victoria or even the Ford Taurus and/or Police Interceptor,Dodge Charger and or Chevrolet Impala or American politicians suggest to the Kosovar govt that the police "employ" a fleet or small fleet of American vehicles will there be an accusation that U.S. is somehow complicit in the injustice or alleged injustice commited by Kosovar police all because someone may argue that 'Kosovar police isn't always just and the U.S. wants to "reward" them by supplying the Kosovo police with American vehicles??'Personally it wouldn't matter to me if the U.S. supplies some vehicles to Kosovo police but then again Kosovo police may simply have no need for U.S. vehicles or they may be costly to purchase or lease or maintain or even fuel up (some American vehicles are labeled "gas guzzlers".)I should mention that these U.S.vehicles(especially "Crown Vics") appear common among American & Canadian police agencies and there was even a time (at least in the '90s)when Moscow police utilized a few Crown Victorias.Finally I thought I'd mention this because the U.S. & Kosovo maintain relatively amicable or amiable relations with each other.

haris

pre 11 godina

The "Kosovo* Police" is not real. They are just armed temporary occupiers in Serbia's holy southern province.
(Ari Gold, 8 August 2012 10:54)

Come in kosovo and tall them that kosovo police is not real
At least KP the are not korropt like in serbia
Ari gold by the way ARI is albanian name ok

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

Helsingborg

Kosova now is infinitely better than it was ANY time when Serbia had control. no village burning or mass expulsion today

onlyme

pre 11 godina

@Comm. Parrison
your comments finely described what constitute most parts of Serbia
and B92 can verify this, a human traffic smuggler shot days ago by Romanian police, RPG attacks and individual drug clans killing each other and members of public i.e. Zemun clan and lets not forget the hefty ransom money mentioned against government figures including Mr Dacic, stop making propaganda against Albanians

Commentator

pre 11 godina

The one-sided and over exaggerated view of RTS. And now here the facts:

“Together with the Kosovo Team, much has been achieved in building democratic institutions, strengthening the rule of law, protecting minority rights, facilitating dialogue and promoting confidence between communities.”
[...]
“In particular, I expect strong efforts toward the normalization of relations with Belgrade, including through the same serious and sincere commitment to dialogue which I have asked from the Serbian leadership.”
(Ban Ki Moon, Pristina, 24th July 2012)

http://www.unmikonline.org/Pages/SG24072012.aspx

albana

pre 11 godina

Last but not least, Kosovo without serb people would be 100 percent better. Kosovo's land belongs to Albanians people and only to them. A view of that Serbia will see sooner or later. Ban and everyone should understand this once and forever.Its true, Kosovo institutions still keeps some corrupted politicians but this is not the main problem. People of Kosovo will keep their country on its feet. Don't worry you little sons of Miloshevic ;). Serbia is just like Nokia. I thought that you have learned that!

modesty blaise

pre 11 godina

Finally, the truth comes out. Let's hope it stays out, and that this is the beginning of the end of albanian terrorism and crime in Kosovo.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"The one-sided and over exaggerated view of RTS. And now here the facts:"
(Commentator, 8 August 2012 11:02)

Sure, RTS picks the negative parts mostly. But if some nice words spoken out in Pristina should be called 'the facts', I have some doubts about:

The words: “Together with the Kosovo Team, much has been achieved in building democratic institutions, strengthening the rule of law, protecting minority rights, facilitating dialogue and promoting confidence between communities.”

is purely diplomatic language. You know: 'Much has been achieved' is the positive wording for the sentence 'The goal has not been reached, there's a lot more to do'

The wrong and unprofessional reaction of Kosovo police, the stoning of Serbian cars, looting and stealing from houses, the reduced number or returnees and the killing of persons because of their ethnicity (without the police being able to find the perpetrators) are facts, too.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

"The nightmare for police, normal people and the surrounding countries,"

what a comment! which surrounding country has had an issue with Kosova besides Serbia? none. seriously more garbage

palladium

pre 11 godina

I seriously wonder if the report also mentioned return of the 1,700 Albanians, Bosniaks and Turks, who were expelled in 2000 from N. Mitrovica by Serbs in there. Let's play it fair with accusations!

Gjakovari

pre 11 godina

It might be reality, but if these bunch of unprofessional and unqualified people recruited from former 'freedom fighters' deserves to be called 'police' I have some doubts about.

P.S: I heard in Italy, mafia has an own 'police'
(Questioner, 8 August 2012 12:39)

Do you know that During 1990's every Serb over 18 had Police uniform and they had duties on weekend or during the week!!! Many of them unqualified as the guard to the city Library would stop us during the weekend as Police officer!!!! Or my Serbian neighboor who spend 6month in jail for stilling after release was back to his duties :)

I am sure in Serbia many Serbs who fought in Croatia , Bosnia, or Kosovo are still in military uniform this is Fact go to Jagodina and see Djakovica MUP is based there and you will see your self.

Come to Kosovo and you will see your dream ( nightmare) is true!!!

dori tirana

pre 11 godina

Serbian state is 150 years old.
Kosova state is 4 years old.
As I notice the two states face the same problems. I hope that Kosova will learn by the mistakes of Serbian state and will progress in right way.
I don’t understand the people here that speak as Kosova is an exception of other Balkan states. Give Kosova and yourself some time to make your judgment for the New Born State. Be positive and optimistic people.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

Good to see some of the truth coming out. Firstly, the NATO death machine is using "Kosova"* as a terrorist training ground. Also, the so-called KPS terrorised Serbian pilgrims on Vidovdan and the we see constant terrorist activities upon non-Albanians in KiM, which includes murder, destruction and fear.

This, in fact, is the main export of the NATO death machine and it suits the Albanian terrorists perfectly. Ideal partners in crime (genocide).

Helsingborg

pre 11 godina

Tell us something we don't know. We've been telling you for years these kalbs in charge are a blight on humanity and decency. At the moment Kosovo is a criminal enterprise supported by NATO. Nothing more, nothing less. There are good people there, but they are too scared to come forward.

ecoman

pre 11 godina

Yes, haris, everything is Albanian, including the name Ari - although I remember a famous Greek shipping magnate named Ari Onassis. It is also a popular Jewish and Armenian name. Google, it if you want to learn more. Albanians crack me up, you think that the roots to everything started in Albania - little did.

Bridge

pre 11 godina

What happend to downs looking kristian kahrs? did he got his €500 back? Lmfao
Keep doing your thing Kristian, your a funny dude!

Hmm

pre 11 godina

Yes, there are only single houses and churches looted now and then, and only a few people killed or their cars stoned per week, but it's not masses, true.
(Comm. Parrisson, 8 August 2012 15:49
When you say it like that almost seems like every other country in the world doesn't it. Just that you pay particular interest if it happens to a Serb. I think every country probably had a murder, an assault, a burglary, vandalism, within in last few days.

Questioner

pre 11 godina

"Come in kosovo and tall them that kosovo police is not real "
(haris, 8 August 2012 12:19)

It might be reality, but if these bunch of unprofessional and unqualified people recruited from former 'freedom fighters' deserves to be called 'police' I have some doubts about.

P.S: I heard in Italy, mafia has an own 'police'

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

Come to Kosovo and you will see your dream ( nightmare) is true!!!
(Gjakovari, 8 August 2012 13:12)


Will? Kosovo already is the nightmare which became true! The nightmare for police, normal people and the surrounding countries, but a paradise for gangsters, corrupt politicians who can abuse billions of donor money, and last but not least for (drug) mafia clans who now have a safe place to do their business in Europe.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

Comm. Parrisson

even if your claim was true (it isn't) it is still WAYYYY WAYYYY better than it was at ANY point under Serbian control

Susanna

pre 11 godina

Since long,long time we and all world especially Washington knows (they collect money from it ) that Kosovo is just the road for drug smugglers … that is nothing new…small Albanian people who leave comments here are work for some small pay and they do not know what is happening in they own country (still our)…try to go on google and you will find answers …if you know how to google !!?

ecoman

pre 11 godina

Last but not least, Kosovo without serb people would be 100 percent better. Kosovo's land belongs to Albanians people and only to them. - albana
And why does Kosovo belong only to Albanians, albana? Haven't the Serbs been in Kosovo since at least the 7th century? They have lived there, fought there, died there, and survived their from the occupational forces of the Ottoman Empire, and Nazi Germany. They built their great monasteries, improved the infrastructure, worked the land, made investments in their birthplace. Why would the Serbs then not be t least part owners of KiM? What exactly have the Albanians that have lived in Kosovo for centuries done to improve the land of Metohija - little. If you are clinging to your Illyrian, or dardanian roots, or whatever, give us all a break. That theory is disputed at best, and many historians feel it is pure jibberish. There is no actual proof that Albanians have even been in the Balkans for as long as they claim. So albana, no one is disputing Albania, you have rights to claim that as yours, but KiM, sorry, that is Serbian land. We paid a lot greater price for it, than any Albanian settlers.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

Kosova now is infinitely better than it was ANY time when Serbia had control. no village burning or mass expulsion today
(Nikolle, 8 August 2012 13:27)
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You mean after the Albanians have almost expelled all Serbs and other non-Albanians and burned pretty much everything they could? The last mass expulsion and mass destruction occurred back in 2004 by Albanians in peace time.

Now you claim the Serbs did it beforehand at a time when you invited the NATO death machine to cause havoc throughout Serbia and you guys are pretty happy about that. Not to worry though, as you sow...

exKFOR

pre 11 godina

Kosova now is infinitely better than it was ANY time when Serbia had control. no village burning or mass expulsion today
(Nikolle, 8 August 2012 13:27)

hey lady, what is that http://www.enriko-waldmann.de/Bilder/2003_2004/Day_After_III/day_after_iii.html

that is called genocide where all the people of all ages and sexes are killed and survivors for sake of their lives are expelled - the result is a Serbfrei KiM. But what I like - at least our units took out and disabled plenty of muslim terrorists in Kosovska Mitrovica in 2004...hence, contrary to your logic that I/we kept Serbs out from KiM , we continued where they left off...am I following you correctly?

omaz

pre 11 godina

These PHOTOS speak for themselves. What actions of Serbian MUP turned Pec/Peja and Djakovica/Gjakova to.

http://www.bardhimed.8m.com/images/gjakova,2000,.jpg

http://koha.net/repository/images/f1_29peja1333011307.jpg

Safe!

ecoman

pre 11 godina

In particular, I expect strong efforts toward the normalization of relations with Belgrade - Ban
Commentator, do you feel that statement sheds a positives light on Pristina Albanians? Sounds more like a hope, a wish, than a fact. I am not sure why Albanians do not want to admit that the multi-ethnic Newborn is not working? It is clear that the KiM Albanians do not want minorities amongst them - especially Serbs. That is as pure as day, yet they deny that.

Mmm

pre 11 godina

Kosova now is infinitely better than it was ANY time when Serbia had control. no village burning or mass expulsion today
(Nikolle, 8 August 2012 13:27)

Notice in the article the multi ethnic mix including Albanians that have had to come back and many more having trouble returning. The time you talk about only one ethnicity for some reason (have a wild stab) left. Mmm seems like one did it to guarantee a multi ethnicity the other thinks ethnicly pure state is better. Only one state can guarantee security, the project should be over.

Questioner

pre 11 godina

"Do you know that During 1990's every Serb over 18 had Police uniform and they had duties on weekend or during the week!!! Many of them unqualified as the guard to the city Library would stop us during the weekend as Police officer!!!! Or my Serbian neighboor who spend 6month in jail for stilling after release was back to his duties :) "
(Gjakovari, 8 August 2012 13:12)

All right, Einstein said: Everything is relative. So, compared to these, KPS officers are surely highly qualified and skilled :)

ecoman

pre 11 godina

dori, would you, and others of your opinion, please stop calling Kosovo and Metohija a State. It is Serbia's Southern province. Your UDI was legal, OK, but it did not make you a State. If KiM truly was independent, we would not be having these conversations, would we? I am sorry, but the status of KiM is still disputed, and still under the governance of UNSC res. 1244. It is very heart warming that you have world powers such as the US and Germany pushing an independent Albanian KiM, but they do not have the authority to make it come true - the UN does - of course with the blessing of Serbia.

icj1

pre 11 godina

what a comment! which surrounding country has had an issue with Kosova
(Nikolle, 8 August 2012 14:22)

Please, there is no hope that serbs will ever understand that... all Yugoslav nations run for the door as soon as they could; still Serbs think that all others were at fault, except Serbs :)

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

Kosova now is infinitely better than it was ANY time when Serbia had control. no village burning or mass expulsion today
(Nikolle, 8 August 2012 13:27)

Yes, there are only single houses and churches looted now and then, and only a few people killed or their cars stoned per week, but it's not masses, true.

ecoman

pre 11 godina

omaz, I don't know what you are trying to say? Albanian part of KiM always looked like that - and still does. I think there were more Serbs and other minorities driven permanently out of KiM, than what the Serbian MUP ever did to Kosovo Albanians. That is why the UN is not happy, all the serbs and other minorities are afraid for their ives to come back. They are afraid you Albanians may kill them. That is the truth.

get real

pre 11 godina

But what I like - at least our units took out and disabled plenty of muslim terrorists in Kosovska Mitrovica in 2004...hence, contrary to your logic that I/we kept Serbs out from KiM , we continued where they left off...am I following you correctly?
(exKFOR, 8 August 2012 16:41)
I think most countries called that riots. Genocide is usually a highly organized program by the govt, like Srebrenica. There were 19 people killed of which less than half were Serb.
And you can stop with the exKFOR, language assistants who lost their job due to downsizing are not part of the KFOR troops. If you were really Kfor you would have known that Kfor did not act until the last ofthe 3days, they considered it a police matter.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

I think every country probably had a murder, an assault, a burglary, vandalism, within in last few days.
(Hmm, 8 August 2012 16:32)
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Sure, an odd one here and there but definitely not all against the same ethnic group done by the same ethnic group.
When it's all happening against the same people, then we have hate crimes and that's a very definite no no.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

exKfor, you've gone and confused yourself totally. lets see, you consider K. Albanians to be jihadists, all of them. Serbian army kicks them out, NATO moves in, they return, Serb army can do nothing....do you follow me :-) ? even now Serbian army can do nothing because of the service that people like you in Kfor. all you personally can do is write jihadist this jihadist that, nothing else. you can see who has more of a voice in Kosova and it certainly isn't Belgrade. thanks again

dori tirana

pre 11 godina

Since the story is written and known is the first time that people of Kosova(Albanian&Serb) have the possibility to vote for their institutions. This is called freedom and this is called democracy. Before they had Illyrian, Roman, Byzantine, Ottoman, Serbian rulers. Now they have freely elected institutions. Only this fact is enough to prove that Kosova of today is thousand times better than Kosova of Yugoslavia. We know that democratic institutions are not perfect specially in countries without democratic tradition like Serbia or Kosova, but we also know that democracy is the best system proven still now.

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

"Balkan Anthropologist"

and even if every single thing you wrote there happens to be true (it isn't) it is still infinitely better than it was at ANY time under Belgrade. not partially better, INFINITELY better

dori tirana

pre 11 godina

'Freely elected institutions'? Did you miss the last Kosovo 'elections' where all kind of fraud took place, mostly committed by the parties which now form the current government? Very 'freely' and 'democratic' - but only compared to Iran and Russia :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 9 August 2012 12:26)

No I didn’t miss? I also didn’t miss your actual President Nicolic, that also pretend for fraud on the first round. These are usual story of new democracies in Balkan and East Europe. Kosova is not an exception of this part of world. If you read my post carefully I said that Kosova institutions has problems(the vote institution also), but give some time Kosova as you have given to the new democracies in Albania, Macedonia, Croatia, Serbia and so on. If you really wish that democracy develop at this part of the World, if not you can be happy for the opposite. For one thing I’m sure that if real democracy will be installed in Kosova this will be done only from the people of Kosova. The people of Kosova are 95 % Albanians. You like or not only the Albanians has the possibility to install democracy at this part of the World, the other has only one possibility to install Apartheid or Milosevic.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

"J" wrote: The UN is there to fool the masses into thinking that they, and their poor little countries matter and their voice affects world matters. The UN is an illusion. So what makes you, or breaks you as Serbia learned in 99, is not the UN. Its the big boys. The rest of the little begging countries dont matter at all.

well my dear k-albanian friend "J", some day you will be crying for that very same organisation... when your "friends" the "big boys" let you down.

and then, Serbia will be the big boy for you. but don´t worry, once KiM is liberated, most Albanians who stay, will see an improvement, compared to that crippled pseudo-statelet that you call "kosovaaah".

everything in its proper time...

Commentator

pre 11 godina

Sure, RTS picks the negative parts mostly.
(Comm. Parrisson, 8 August 2012 11:18)

Wrong, RTS picks the negative parts only(!) and leaves the rest deliberately out, so more or less what Albanians are used to since Milosevic's time. This where I made my point. I even linked the source where you can have all information, including the one you were repeating, and not RTS filtered tendency.

That are facts. Have you not been taught that half-truths are just as lies, sometimes even worse?

Ned Taylor

pre 11 godina

Questioner: you refer to the KPS as being unqualified and unprofessional. Let me assure you that they are not alone in the Balkans in possessing these two attributes. I worked for many years with the police in Bosnia, both the Serbs in the RS and others in the Federation and the vast majority fit squarely into the definition that you provide for the KPS. Unlike Western Europe where police officers are generally respected by the public and appropriately rewarded for their efforts on behalf of those same people, their counterparts in the Balkans are considered overweight figures of fun and are paid a pittance. I'm surprised that anyone would willingly take the job. Clearly I am aware that opportunities exist to bolster one's salary through unofficial means both in the Balkans and elsewhere, and in that regard Western Europe is not exempt.

Susan Levitz

pre 11 godina

I hope this is the result of new government in Serbia …as a matter of fact I know this is the result of that,because we have been on ground zero with human rights on Kosovo during the time that Democratic party is negotiated with Kosovo leadership !!!

Janet tan

pre 11 godina

The wheel is turning round and round,we have wait long time but I hope it will turn in Serbian benefit and that someone will recognize breaking of human rights in Kosovo !!!

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

Now none of this can be right since the United States keeps saying Kosovo is a model democracy where multiethnic coexistence, civil liberties, and the rule of law are overflowing in abundance. It's obvious what's happened here. Ban Ki Moon is a Serbo-Russian-Greek agent who is paid to slander the KLA-led government in Pristina. Charges should immediately be brought against him and the entire UN for spreading such lies and Serbian propaganda :)

Jasmina

pre 11 godina

This is the best news after a long time..I can believe that someone criticizes Albanian police at last…is there some new thing happen..change of power in Serbia maybe ??!!

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 11 godina

When it comes to the U.N. Secretary General and anyone for that matter who are critical of Kosova police let's supposed that if Kosovar-Albanian police officials expressed an interest in purchasing or leasing at least a few or relatively few American automobiles such as the Ford Crown Victoria or even the Ford Taurus and/or Police Interceptor,Dodge Charger and or Chevrolet Impala or American politicians suggest to the Kosovar govt that the police "employ" a fleet or small fleet of American vehicles will there be an accusation that U.S. is somehow complicit in the injustice or alleged injustice commited by Kosovar police all because someone may argue that 'Kosovar police isn't always just and the U.S. wants to "reward" them by supplying the Kosovo police with American vehicles??'Personally it wouldn't matter to me if the U.S. supplies some vehicles to Kosovo police but then again Kosovo police may simply have no need for U.S. vehicles or they may be costly to purchase or lease or maintain or even fuel up (some American vehicles are labeled "gas guzzlers".)I should mention that these U.S.vehicles(especially "Crown Vics") appear common among American & Canadian police agencies and there was even a time (at least in the '90s)when Moscow police utilized a few Crown Victorias.Finally I thought I'd mention this because the U.S. & Kosovo maintain relatively amicable or amiable relations with each other.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"I also didn’t miss your actual President Nicolic, that also pretend for fraud on the first round. These are usual story of new democracies in Balkan and East Europe. Kosova is not an exception of this part of world. "
(dori tirana, 9 August 2012 14:15)

Sorry, unconfirmed claims by some opposition parties about election irregularities (like happened in Serbia) is not comparable to proven massive election fraud, confirmed by all international observers (like in Kosovo). As far as I know, international observers didn't have major objections on the last Serbian elections, unlike on the ones organized by 'Kosovo authorities'.

And no, this is not a problem of a 'new democracy', but a general problem of corrupt individuals who think 'I am the state' and who only care for themselves, their criminal business and their clan mates instead of being civil servants for all people.

aaayyy

pre 11 godina

To Kermit and Nikolle,

You comments imply that central Serbia is Serbian land while Kosovo* is only Albanian land, which is wrong. Kosovo*, whatever status it has, is Serbian-Albanian land.

think about it

pre 11 godina

As far as how harsh he criticized the Kosovo police we will see when the real report is released. In the big picture one thing everyone seems to be missing is: he criticized the Kosovo Police force for their actions, not EULEX, not UNMIK. Is that an aknowledgement of who he considers the legitimate authorities in Kosovo? I believe so!

j

pre 11 godina

It is very heart warming that you have world powers such as the US and Germany pushing an independent Albanian KiM, but they do not have the authority to make it come true - the UN does - of course with the blessing of Serbia. (ecoman, 8 August 2012 19:01)

Ecoman, you have it all wrong. The UN is not the world's government. It doesn't make states. It doesn't govern them. The UN is a ploy for the small minded. It is simply used to disguise the fact that very few powerful countries hold a large influence in the world.The UN could stop working tomorrow and you wouldnt see a difference. The states would still be there even if there was no UN. Serbia was still a state even when the UN threw you out. The UN is there to fool the masses into thinking that they, and their poor little countries matter and their voice affects world matters. The UN is an illusion. So what makes you, or breaks you as Serbia learned in 99, is not the UN. Its the big boys. The rest of the little begging countries dont matter at all.

Ardi Asllani

pre 11 godina

As far as how harsh he criticized the Kosovo police we will see when the real report is released. In the big picture one thing everyone seems to be missing is: he criticized the Kosovo Police force for their actions, not EULEX, not UNMIK. Is that an aknowledgement of who he considers the legitimate authorities in Kosovo? I believe so!
(think about it, 8 August 2012 22:46)

There is no UNMIK Police in Kosova. Like you said on top of your comment; " Lets wait till we see the real report". The truth will set you free.

WTF?

pre 11 godina

(albana, 8 August 2012 18:33)

I don't know what to be more amazed at albana: that you know how to use a computer or that your village has electricity.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

Kosova now is infinitely better than it was ANY time when Serbia had control. no village burning or mass expulsion today
(Nikolle, 8 August 2012 13:27)

No, just far too frequent acts of violence, arson, theft, unsolved murder, church looting, cemetery desecration, vote rigging, ballot stuffing, money laundering, tax evasion, inbred racism, and impotent political chest thumping for a resoundingly naive population who think too highly of themselves. All within the general framework of democratic state building and massive amounts of international economic assistance :)

PS - the absence of mass expulsions has more to do with the inability to get, let alone afford, a visa. Once that is granted, self-imposed mass expulsions in Kosovo will put anything Milosevic could throw at you to shame :)

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Now they have freely elected institutions. Only this fact is enough to prove that Kosova of today is thousand times better than Kosova of Yugoslavia. We know that democratic institutions are not perfect specially in countries without democratic tradition like Serbia or Kosova, but we also know that democracy is the best system proven still now."
(dori tirana, 9 August 2012 09:29)

'Freely elected institutions'? Did you miss the last Kosovo 'elections' where all kind of fraud took place, mostly committed by the parties which now form the current government? Very 'freely' and 'democratic' - but only compared to Iran and Russia :)

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

Yet more rubbish Comm. cyrilic writing was not banned, provocative messages (hailing Sloba is provocative in Kosova for a simple reason) were banned and quite right too. Of course, that did not stop them from signing and shouting the praises of those famous humanitarians Karadzic and Mladic. Do you think I can carry banners in Belgrade praising Hashim Thaci?

Kermit

pre 11 godina

Confiscating T-Shirts with Cyrillic letters and Serbian flags - only possible in the multiethnic, democratic Kosovo (where people can use Albanian like they want, of course). In the previous years when UNMIK, EULEX and KFOR was responsible, the vidovdan celebrations passed without incidents. How come?
(Comm. Parrisson, 9 August 2012 16:02)

And in most democratic Serbia some busloads of Albanians could go to Belgrade and display the Albanian flag? For sure you would be the first to defend them against Partizan fans.
Thank you for that!

dori tirana

pre 11 godina

And no, this is not a problem of a 'new democracy', but a general problem of corrupt individuals who think 'I am the state' and who only care for themselves, their criminal business and their clan mates instead of being civil servants for all people.
(Comm. Parrisson, 9 August 2012 15:01)

You mean this kind of individual that kill Zoran Djindjic. Was this people Kalbanian?
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/13/world/serbs-premier-is-assassinated-led-in-reforms.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

Or like mans of Zemun clan. A place like Serbia that 10 years after Milosevic elect like premier Dacic can not learn much for democracy to the others.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

and even if every single thing you wrote there happens to be true (it isn't) it is still infinitely better than it was at ANY time under Belgrade. not partially better, INFINITELY better
(Nikolle, 9 August 2012 10:35)

Oops, silly me. I forgot to include the March 2004 riots, the Podujevo bus bombing, and of course the shooting of children swimming in Gorazdevac. I also forgot to mention the level of terror and intimidation against Serbs and other ordinary people have been happening consistently for the past 15 years by people who proclaim to be democrats, Europeans, and leaders who are INFINITELY better than their former Serb tormentors. Slobo's little adventure in law enforcement was, what, a few months? Where most of the expelled returned. Yes, "Kosova" is a paradise. We all love what you've done with the place :)

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

"Where most of the expelled returned"

why do you use words like expelled? i thought you people believe it never happened? i thought you believed we just acted scared for the western TV cameras or we were escaping NATO bombing?

Nikolle

pre 11 godina

no aaayyy. Kosova is neither Serbian-Albanian land nor Albania-Serbian land, Kosova is just land full stop. truth though is, its inhabited predominately by Albanians, in fact, the population ratio in 9-1. in a democracy numbers matter, whether you like it or not, so no matter how much you protest, Albanians will have more of a say, its pure demographics.

oh and Balkan, no matter what else you come up with, Kosova now is still BETTER than it was at ANY point under Belgrade. Miles better

Pascale

pre 11 godina

Some here in this comments wrote that on Kosovo is better now than before when Serbs have control over it … it is better to have depleted uranium then Serbs..if that is the prize Albanian want to pay I am 100 % for it…just enjoy in fresh air that USA provide to you!!

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"he criticized the Kosovo Police force for their actions, not EULEX, not UNMIK. Is that an aknowledgement of who he considers the legitimate authorities in Kosovo? I believe so! "
(think about it, 8 August 2012 22:46)

Legitimate or not, the socalled 'Kosovo police' was criticized for their unprofessional and inappropriate actions. Confiscating T-Shirts with Cyrillic letters and Serbian flags - only possible in the multiethnic, democratic Kosovo (where people can use Albanian like they want, of course). In the previous years when UNMIK, EULEX and KFOR was responsible, the vidovdan celebrations passed without incidents. How come?

Kermit

pre 11 godina

once KiM is liberated, most Albanians who stay
(Jovan, 9 August 2012 15:25)

And the rest will get a nice rest in a cosy mass grave?

icj1

pre 11 godina

Very 'freely' and 'democratic' - but only compared to Iran and Russia :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 9 August 2012 12:26)

And Serbia, according to Tomislav http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=05&dd=12&nav_id=80214