Russia wants to see UN participation in Kosovo dialogue

Oh please, Albanians have never been and never will be great fighters. Believe it or not, intelligence & aestheticism have a LOT to do with the success of an army on the ground. Albanian lack in BOTH areas and have for most of their history. Meanwhile Serbia has been pumping out world glass athletes and intellectuals for hundreds of years now. Just look at how many athletes Serbia has in the Olympics, how many scientists are working on the "God" partical etc... Also if i'm not mistaken a Serbian citizen just won a world mathematics tournament. I mean, the list goes on and on. Albanians just dont have what it takes. You are good at taking orders however and converting to the religion of your "masters".

The kalbs have had it all their own way for too long. It's time for real talks, and not just with the Us and germans advising the Kalbs. Albanian expansionism is the clear and present danger in the Balkans and needs to be nipped in the bud, now. Kosovo is the best place to start.

What unilateral decision. Both Serbia and Kosovo mutually agreed to the terms of talks between them with EU oversight. Serbia has not been under any pressure other than their voluntarily wanting to join the EU to do anything.
That is the problem Russia relies on half truths and total lies in its dealings with Kosovo, I doubt that anyone other than Serbia will agree to Russian involvement.
US involvement is on the sidelines advising Kosovo, Russia's place would have to be limted to the same. Which is what they do now.
The talks are directly related to Serbia's further joining of the EU and it is highly doubtful the EU is going to change its stance and turn the talks over to the UN.

russia can want and ask for many things but unless there is a consensus in the security council then all they can do is try

And I want to see Russia out of UN security council.

Russia with Norht Korea and Assad and few other crooks can form their own crook-UN organisation.

Russia, should ask for UN participation on the issue it has with, Chechnya, Georgia,etc!!! In Kosova, there is no outstanding political issues, only technical ones which are related to rule of law!!! Kosova has been independent since 2008, and is in negotiations with Serbia for the sole reason of preparing & structuring it's independent country for application towards EU candidacy! If Serbia, chooses to isolate herself because of her nationalist views that is her problem, she should not be allowed to keep the region hostage.. EU policy should not be allowed to be blackmailed by tiny Serbia! And Russia, should keep its nose out of European affairs... EU policy for Kosova should, enter a new stage of supplying modern weaponry & the training of the KSF in heavy weaponry, Kosova has more then enough manpower to defend herself! During the 1990s the population of Kosova lacked the military equipment & that is why Serbia did what it did, had the battle ground been evenly equipped, and as a matter of fact had the population of Kosova had only 30% of the equipment Serbia had, it is a guarantee that Serbia would have never embarked on that military endeavor!

Russia would like to see the UN involved?! Are they joking?! After the debacle with Syria, they have lost all credibility as honest brokers(if it ever had any). Also, the claim to Serbia respecting international law is fair - but the Russian ambassador must also be aware of a little ruling by the International Court of Justice in favour of the UDI. Stop the pipe dreams and get real.

A New Day:

"Serbia has not been under any pressure other than their voluntarily wanting to join the EU to do anything."

What world do you come from? Your hatred for Serbs has made you dilusional. Did you write your comment to please yourself and your Albanian trolls, or do you just want to demonstrate your ignorance? Serbia is under enormous pressure from the Evil Empire to relinguish Kosovo, and it's definitely not because the Empire is sympathetic to the most backward peoples in Europe. Their agenda is to exhurt influence and dominate that region of Europe in order to curb Russian expansion, and mainly, Europe's reliance on Russia's energy. So you see, it has nothing to do with you (Albanians), so stop tooting your own horn. I concede that we had sellouts as our leaders who tried to pawn the notion of membership in a bankrupt EU, but they're history now. It's just a question of time and strategy. The EU is finished and Toma knows this. He is just playing along with the EU bandwagon for EU consumption, because as he's always mentioned on many occassions, he will not sacrifice Kosovo for the EU.

The UN umbrella is the best for us and it’s definitely the worst choice for the kelmending tribe. The reason is simple as EU is one of the main plots of the golden billion while the outside world mostly sympathizes Russia. But because our side is interested the truth to come out while USA , Qathar , Saudittes , Snakes , Germans , and others would prefer their false versions of the events to become legal. So Russia is trying to attract the rest of the world. Then the Albanian blackmail called negotiations will at least become open.

-And I want to see Russia out of UN security council. Russia with North Korea and Assad and few other crooks can form their own crook-UN organisation.(ben, 1 August 2012 15:03)-

Thanks, Ben. And I wanna see the UN inside monitoring and reforming the Soviet govt, as well as every other fascist govt. from our lips to god's ears. what they have done to the security council is a sin and a crime, and the blood of millions is on their hands, esp.ly now the blood of syrians.

as for the racist crap about how wonderful are the serbian ppl (vs the low, low albanians)-- judging from the 90s, the serbian ppl are expert at one thing: committing genocide and war crimes. you seem to have "forgotten" it in yr list.

And when will yr ppl own up to it? when will they dig up the bodies, open up the files, admit to the mass burnings?! a great shame on yr "superior" ppl and their agit-prop machine...

roberto frisco

ivan, 1 August 2012 16:41
These talks are being held for one reason and one reason only and that is to advance Serbia's goal of getting into the EU. If it was not a requirement Serbia would have never showed up and definitely never agreed to any of the things they have agreed to. If you think otherwise, the delusions are yours alone.

"Russia, should ask for UN participation on the issue it has with, Chechnya, Georgia,etc!!! In Kosova, there is no outstanding political issues, only technical ones which are related to rule of law!!! "
(Rocky, 1 August 2012 16:10)

I don't know if there is an UN resolution on Georgia or Chechnya. But I know there's one on Kosovo, called UNSC1244, which states that Kosovo is under UN administration. So, it would make some sense to have UN representatives of Kosovo on board during the Belgrade-Pristina dialogue.

"As a wise man once said: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Your comment fits somewhere in that statement."

This wise man who said those words J, was Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi.
And this man was born in one of the big countries that does not recognize Kosovo as a state and has absolutely no intention of doing so, namely India.
(Staff, 2 August 2012 03:56)

what you forget and conveniently don't mention is that India became independant and a sovereign State after a long battle, just like Kosovo .....

Look at the former Nazis and fascists react so strongly about UN participating.
Naturally, they don't want anyone beside US and their cronies to have anything to do with Kosovo debacle.
They think they can take off from where they left off in the 40s and continue their terror they started.

I notice that many K Albanians talk bad about UN. Let me tell you something you ungrateful people. Without UN (which do has a lot of shortcomings, like you and me), you would be crawling in the dirt.

UN put the province on its feet again after the conflict. (It was not a war since it was in the same country.) UN has paid everything in Kosovo and many people have tried to help the people there as good as possible.

Dont write me some bulls**t about yourself. You are in deep dept to the international community. Period !

Its fun to read K Albanian commentators ranting about independence. You are lost. Serbia is an old country and you are up against an experienced and tough country that have been doing diplomacy for many many years. Serbia have the backing of China, India, Russia and over half of the UN countries and EU does not (and will never) agree. Its bound to fail.
Serbia, in my opinion should never give up and according to most important diplomats, they will never give up either.

admit to the mass burnings?! a great shame on yr "superior" ppl and their agit-prop machine...

roberto frisco
(roberto, 1 August 2012 18:53)

Those "Mass burnings" you speak of were investigated by the relevant international authorities in 1999. No evidence showed up. http://www.nytimes.com/1999/11/11/world/early-count-hints-at-fewer-kosovo-deaths.html

Serbia have the backing of China, India, Russia and over half of the UN countries
(Staff, 1 August 2012 20:48)

Sure, backing with words for Serbia (assuming you are correct about the "over half")... when it comes to actions, the majority of the world countries voted that Kosovo is indeed a country.

Well guess what Envir? We are not on the security council for your pleasure or your Uncle Sam's, we are there because we have the military capacity to wipe you, and him, of the face of the earth if we deemed it necessary

(Sergei, 1 August 2012 23:54)

Exactly man!!

This is what I’m saying.

You should create UN where the number of tanks are the moral driver... you in international scale as you can bully internationally ; Assad in same principle can bully his own people so he is legitimate bully of Syria.. north Korea the legitimate bully of her own people and with international ambitions and so on.. the bully-UN or crook-UN where Russia will have unambiguously the leading role.

does anybody else think that Roberto FriSScko seems to be a bit gayish? That not being I dislike him and his errenous postings...on the contrary, and I wish him a good luck!

And I want to see Russia out of UN security council.

Russia with Norht Korea and Assad and few other crooks can form their own crook-UN organisation.
(ben, 1 August 2012 15:03)

Well guess what Envir? We are not on the security council for your pleasure or your Uncle Sam's, we are there because we have the military capacity to wipe you, and him, of the face of the earth if we deemed it necessary, mutual assured destruction not withstanding. As unpleasant as that possibility might be, it is still the the last remaining restraint on America's power madness.

does anybody else think that Roberto FriSScko seems to be a bit gayish? That not being I dislike him and his errenous postings...on the contrary, and I wish him a good luck!
(a question, 1 August 2012 21:30)

I resent the suggestion that Roberto's from the Castro virulent racism toward Serbs can be explained away by his encounter with that Albanian bear in Duboce Park, such hate has much deeper roots.
Love when those types bring up fascism in reference to Russia, demonstrating complete ignorance of what the word means to us in context of what we suffered fighting it. Kind of like the white, suburban brats who think they have the right to call people the "N" word because they like Jay Z. Bet Roberto was a wiger growing up.

"UN put the province on its feet again after the conflict. (It was not a war since it was in the same country.) UN has paid everything in Kosovo and many people have tried to help the people there as good as possible."

-- Let me correct this. The USA have paid for everything. The UN is only able to exist financially because the US funds the lion share. So yes, thank you USA for helping us before, during and after the war.

"Dont write me some bulls**t about yourself. You are in deep dept to the international community. Period !"

-- Correction again. We are indebted to the US and Western Europe. That is who stood by us. We owe nothing to say Slovakia, Iran, Venezuela etc etc. None of these other places deserves any credit under the guise of UN.

"Its fun to read K Albanian commentators ranting about independence. You are lost. Serbia is an old country and you are up against an experienced and tough country that have been doing diplomacy for many many years. Serbia have the backing of China, India, Russia and over half of the UN countries and EU does not (and will never) agree. Its bound to fail.
Serbia, in my opinion should never give up and according to most important diplomats, they will never give up either.
(Staff, 1 August 2012 20:48)"

--As a wise man once said: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Your comment fits somewhere in that statement.

Continued...

"Correction again. We are indebted to the US and Western Europe. That is who stood by us. We owe nothing to say Slovakia, Iran, Venezuela etc etc. None of these other places deserves any credit under the guise of UN."

It will be the same answer as above with some additional information.
Well, the UN if you like it or not (and you are like a grit on a beach), is for every COUNTRY in the world. No one is bigger or better or have more saying. (Except the big 5 in the UNSC. Thats why Kosovo will always be a Serbian province because of China and Russia.)
As for the western Europe even if many has recognized Kosovo (to have peace and to send back refugees, not by friendship), ask people in Germany, Denmark, France, Belgium, Sweden, Norway, Finland etc what they think about K Albanians occupying their prisons !

"As a wise man once said: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Your comment fits somewhere in that statement."

This wise man who said those words J, was Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi.
And this man was born in one of the big countries that does not recognize Kosovo as a state and has absolutely no intention of doing so, namely India.
Good night.

There was UN participation in the previous talks. Remember the Ahtisaari plan? According to the Serbian commentators, I quote: "It has miserably failed". So what is the point in miserably failing again? Funny bunch of people, send UN envoy, make him "fail miserably", then say let's send a UN envoy. Since we're quoting, a smart person once said "Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results."

reader, you ar partially correct. in your assesments. yes it was a failure, but it wasn't the same type of role as is currently being discussed. atashiri provided a self crafted solution instead of mediating dialog. both parties should form the solution that they've agreed upon through compromise instead of some third party arbitrator dictating a solution.
if you want democratic nature then dialog is needed. if you want dictatorship then dictations are needed.

reader, you ar partially correct. in your assesments. yes it was a failure, but it wasn't the same type of role as is currently being discussed. atashiri provided a self crafted solution instead of mediating dialog. both parties should form the solution that they've agreed upon through compromise instead of some third party arbitrator dictating a solution.
if you want democratic nature then dialog is needed. if you want dictatorship then dictations are needed.
(writer, 2 August 2012 19:32)

Sounds nice in theory. Doesn't happen in most cases. Serbia vs. Turkey. US vs. England, Greece vs. Turkey, Finland vs. Russia etc. Most borders and independence movements have been imposed onto the other side. Imposition of independence movement is the ordinary. It is the exception to mutually agree on such movement not the ordinary. As such a mutual agreement in most cases is not possible. Instead one side learns to live with it, for example Turkey, England, Russia etc. Serbia will learn to live with it as well. You're just so illogically worried about saving face at the moment.

wow, thanks for the overtly racist rant mr frisco.
i wonder what your people would think about your thinly veiled sense of equality. your people indeed.
i wonder why you and your people, not mine, don't ever look at the fouls committed by your other people. us has unconditionally supported cleansing of palestinians (as such should be immediatly removed from securiuty council by your logic) from their birth lands because of some fabled historic root of culture argument (ironically enough seems similar to that of serbs) because of the horrific treatments they recieved in ww2 (another touch of irony as serbs were also murdered in massive numbers in ww2). perhaps a read through of the gladstone report might get you off your pompus horse and pettition your people to reprimand your other people.
thank your for your enlightening rant from the foggy west. i hope my recipricol rant made your day like your racism made mine.

We need two things:

(1) A mutual (!) agreed deal
(2) A decision of the UNSC

At the moment we have nonen...

Need the diplomatic activity concerning the role of UN in the negotiations? Lobbying important factor in the Security Council!

(j, 2 August 2012 01:59)
God, what stupid comments !!
"Let me correct this. The USA have paid for everything. The UN is only able to exist financially because the US funds the lion share. So yes, thank you USA for helping us before, during and after the war."

No J, US have NOT paid for everything. Actually, US is one of the ones that do not pay their share to the UN due to lack of money.
Make no mistake, I really love the US and have been all over the US about 40 times in my career/life. What I dislike was the intervention in Kosovo because that was a huge gaffe and this is today confirmed by hundreds of US military commanders, police officers, diplomats and last but not least, intelligence officers from US that I meet and talk to. No one is talking about any success. Absolutely no doubt !
Links for the US "paying it all" :

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-04-09-dues_N.htm

http://theglobaljournal.net/article/view/263/

Want more ??

Continued....

the bully-UN or crook-UN where Russia will have unambiguously the leading role.
(ben, 2 August 2012 11:36
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The biggest bully on the planet today is the US and everyone knows it.
Do you see Russia invading countries? How many wars has the US begun for the benefit of 1%?
How many people have died because of US?
Don't talk about bullies when your rely on one to keep what was ill gotten.

what "Willi Pfaff" our german-albanian didn´t say:

India was occupied by the British, they liberated their land from foreign occupation after a long struggle, yes.

Kosovo i Metohija is serbian land, temporarily under foreign control, but what is important: it is still serbian territory, because the legal status is frozen, there where it counts! ( UNSC and other international organisations based on international law )

a unilateral declaration of "independence" is something like a fart in the wind... it doesn´n really have much of a meaning. and it will have even less meaning when Serbia´s time has come to liberate what is historically, morally and legally serbian.

but coming back to Willi´s childish comparison: India was and still is indian terriotry, while Kosovo is occupied right now, after the illegal invasion of foreign troops on serbian territory. actually, India is a nice example of what is going to be the future of southern Serbia.

so, if you try to be smart, think it over to the end, before you make a fool of yourself...

And I want to see Russia out of UN security council.

Russia with Norht Korea and Assad and few other crooks can form their own crook-UN organisation.

Russia, should ask for UN participation on the issue it has with, Chechnya, Georgia,etc!!! In Kosova, there is no outstanding political issues, only technical ones which are related to rule of law!!! Kosova has been independent since 2008, and is in negotiations with Serbia for the sole reason of preparing & structuring it's independent country for application towards EU candidacy! If Serbia, chooses to isolate herself because of her nationalist views that is her problem, she should not be allowed to keep the region hostage.. EU policy should not be allowed to be blackmailed by tiny Serbia! And Russia, should keep its nose out of European affairs... EU policy for Kosova should, enter a new stage of supplying modern weaponry & the training of the KSF in heavy weaponry, Kosova has more then enough manpower to defend herself! During the 1990s the population of Kosova lacked the military equipment & that is why Serbia did what it did, had the battle ground been evenly equipped, and as a matter of fact had the population of Kosova had only 30% of the equipment Serbia had, it is a guarantee that Serbia would have never embarked on that military endeavor!

-And I want to see Russia out of UN security council. Russia with North Korea and Assad and few other crooks can form their own crook-UN organisation.(ben, 1 August 2012 15:03)-

Thanks, Ben. And I wanna see the UN inside monitoring and reforming the Soviet govt, as well as every other fascist govt. from our lips to god's ears. what they have done to the security council is a sin and a crime, and the blood of millions is on their hands, esp.ly now the blood of syrians.

as for the racist crap about how wonderful are the serbian ppl (vs the low, low albanians)-- judging from the 90s, the serbian ppl are expert at one thing: committing genocide and war crimes. you seem to have "forgotten" it in yr list.

And when will yr ppl own up to it? when will they dig up the bodies, open up the files, admit to the mass burnings?! a great shame on yr "superior" ppl and their agit-prop machine...

roberto frisco

What unilateral decision. Both Serbia and Kosovo mutually agreed to the terms of talks between them with EU oversight. Serbia has not been under any pressure other than their voluntarily wanting to join the EU to do anything.
That is the problem Russia relies on half truths and total lies in its dealings with Kosovo, I doubt that anyone other than Serbia will agree to Russian involvement.
US involvement is on the sidelines advising Kosovo, Russia's place would have to be limted to the same. Which is what they do now.
The talks are directly related to Serbia's further joining of the EU and it is highly doubtful the EU is going to change its stance and turn the talks over to the UN.

A New Day:

"Serbia has not been under any pressure other than their voluntarily wanting to join the EU to do anything."

What world do you come from? Your hatred for Serbs has made you dilusional. Did you write your comment to please yourself and your Albanian trolls, or do you just want to demonstrate your ignorance? Serbia is under enormous pressure from the Evil Empire to relinguish Kosovo, and it's definitely not because the Empire is sympathetic to the most backward peoples in Europe. Their agenda is to exhurt influence and dominate that region of Europe in order to curb Russian expansion, and mainly, Europe's reliance on Russia's energy. So you see, it has nothing to do with you (Albanians), so stop tooting your own horn. I concede that we had sellouts as our leaders who tried to pawn the notion of membership in a bankrupt EU, but they're history now. It's just a question of time and strategy. The EU is finished and Toma knows this. He is just playing along with the EU bandwagon for EU consumption, because as he's always mentioned on many occassions, he will not sacrifice Kosovo for the EU.

Oh please, Albanians have never been and never will be great fighters. Believe it or not, intelligence & aestheticism have a LOT to do with the success of an army on the ground. Albanian lack in BOTH areas and have for most of their history. Meanwhile Serbia has been pumping out world glass athletes and intellectuals for hundreds of years now. Just look at how many athletes Serbia has in the Olympics, how many scientists are working on the "God" partical etc... Also if i'm not mistaken a Serbian citizen just won a world mathematics tournament. I mean, the list goes on and on. Albanians just dont have what it takes. You are good at taking orders however and converting to the religion of your "masters".

The UN umbrella is the best for us and it’s definitely the worst choice for the kelmending tribe. The reason is simple as EU is one of the main plots of the golden billion while the outside world mostly sympathizes Russia. But because our side is interested the truth to come out while USA , Qathar , Saudittes , Snakes , Germans , and others would prefer their false versions of the events to become legal. So Russia is trying to attract the rest of the world. Then the Albanian blackmail called negotiations will at least become open.

Russia would like to see the UN involved?! Are they joking?! After the debacle with Syria, they have lost all credibility as honest brokers(if it ever had any). Also, the claim to Serbia respecting international law is fair - but the Russian ambassador must also be aware of a little ruling by the International Court of Justice in favour of the UDI. Stop the pipe dreams and get real.

The kalbs have had it all their own way for too long. It's time for real talks, and not just with the Us and germans advising the Kalbs. Albanian expansionism is the clear and present danger in the Balkans and needs to be nipped in the bud, now. Kosovo is the best place to start.

"Russia, should ask for UN participation on the issue it has with, Chechnya, Georgia,etc!!! In Kosova, there is no outstanding political issues, only technical ones which are related to rule of law!!! "
(Rocky, 1 August 2012 16:10)

I don't know if there is an UN resolution on Georgia or Chechnya. But I know there's one on Kosovo, called UNSC1244, which states that Kosovo is under UN administration. So, it would make some sense to have UN representatives of Kosovo on board during the Belgrade-Pristina dialogue.

russia can want and ask for many things but unless there is a consensus in the security council then all they can do is try

ivan, 1 August 2012 16:41
These talks are being held for one reason and one reason only and that is to advance Serbia's goal of getting into the EU. If it was not a requirement Serbia would have never showed up and definitely never agreed to any of the things they have agreed to. If you think otherwise, the delusions are yours alone.

I notice that many K Albanians talk bad about UN. Let me tell you something you ungrateful people. Without UN (which do has a lot of shortcomings, like you and me), you would be crawling in the dirt.

UN put the province on its feet again after the conflict. (It was not a war since it was in the same country.) UN has paid everything in Kosovo and many people have tried to help the people there as good as possible.

Dont write me some bulls**t about yourself. You are in deep dept to the international community. Period !

Its fun to read K Albanian commentators ranting about independence. You are lost. Serbia is an old country and you are up against an experienced and tough country that have been doing diplomacy for many many years. Serbia have the backing of China, India, Russia and over half of the UN countries and EU does not (and will never) agree. Its bound to fail.
Serbia, in my opinion should never give up and according to most important diplomats, they will never give up either.

admit to the mass burnings?! a great shame on yr "superior" ppl and their agit-prop machine...

roberto frisco
(roberto, 1 August 2012 18:53)

Those "Mass burnings" you speak of were investigated by the relevant international authorities in 1999. No evidence showed up. http://www.nytimes.com/1999/11/11/world/early-count-hints-at-fewer-kosovo-deaths.html

Serbia have the backing of China, India, Russia and over half of the UN countries
(Staff, 1 August 2012 20:48)

Sure, backing with words for Serbia (assuming you are correct about the "over half")... when it comes to actions, the majority of the world countries voted that Kosovo is indeed a country.

"As a wise man once said: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Your comment fits somewhere in that statement."

This wise man who said those words J, was Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi.
And this man was born in one of the big countries that does not recognize Kosovo as a state and has absolutely no intention of doing so, namely India.
(Staff, 2 August 2012 03:56)

what you forget and conveniently don't mention is that India became independant and a sovereign State after a long battle, just like Kosovo .....

Well guess what Envir? We are not on the security council for your pleasure or your Uncle Sam's, we are there because we have the military capacity to wipe you, and him, of the face of the earth if we deemed it necessary

(Sergei, 1 August 2012 23:54)

Exactly man!!

This is what I’m saying.

You should create UN where the number of tanks are the moral driver... you in international scale as you can bully internationally ; Assad in same principle can bully his own people so he is legitimate bully of Syria.. north Korea the legitimate bully of her own people and with international ambitions and so on.. the bully-UN or crook-UN where Russia will have unambiguously the leading role.

wow, thanks for the overtly racist rant mr frisco.
i wonder what your people would think about your thinly veiled sense of equality. your people indeed.
i wonder why you and your people, not mine, don't ever look at the fouls committed by your other people. us has unconditionally supported cleansing of palestinians (as such should be immediatly removed from securiuty council by your logic) from their birth lands because of some fabled historic root of culture argument (ironically enough seems similar to that of serbs) because of the horrific treatments they recieved in ww2 (another touch of irony as serbs were also murdered in massive numbers in ww2). perhaps a read through of the gladstone report might get you off your pompus horse and pettition your people to reprimand your other people.
thank your for your enlightening rant from the foggy west. i hope my recipricol rant made your day like your racism made mine.

Look at the former Nazis and fascists react so strongly about UN participating.
Naturally, they don't want anyone beside US and their cronies to have anything to do with Kosovo debacle.
They think they can take off from where they left off in the 40s and continue their terror they started.

Continued...

"Correction again. We are indebted to the US and Western Europe. That is who stood by us. We owe nothing to say Slovakia, Iran, Venezuela etc etc. None of these other places deserves any credit under the guise of UN."

It will be the same answer as above with some additional information.
Well, the UN if you like it or not (and you are like a grit on a beach), is for every COUNTRY in the world. No one is bigger or better or have more saying. (Except the big 5 in the UNSC. Thats why Kosovo will always be a Serbian province because of China and Russia.)
As for the western Europe even if many has recognized Kosovo (to have peace and to send back refugees, not by friendship), ask people in Germany, Denmark, France, Belgium, Sweden, Norway, Finland etc what they think about K Albanians occupying their prisons !

"As a wise man once said: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Your comment fits somewhere in that statement."

This wise man who said those words J, was Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi.
And this man was born in one of the big countries that does not recognize Kosovo as a state and has absolutely no intention of doing so, namely India.
Good night.

does anybody else think that Roberto FriSScko seems to be a bit gayish? That not being I dislike him and his errenous postings...on the contrary, and I wish him a good luck!

And I want to see Russia out of UN security council.

Russia with Norht Korea and Assad and few other crooks can form their own crook-UN organisation.
(ben, 1 August 2012 15:03)

Well guess what Envir? We are not on the security council for your pleasure or your Uncle Sam's, we are there because we have the military capacity to wipe you, and him, of the face of the earth if we deemed it necessary, mutual assured destruction not withstanding. As unpleasant as that possibility might be, it is still the the last remaining restraint on America's power madness.

does anybody else think that Roberto FriSScko seems to be a bit gayish? That not being I dislike him and his errenous postings...on the contrary, and I wish him a good luck!
(a question, 1 August 2012 21:30)

I resent the suggestion that Roberto's from the Castro virulent racism toward Serbs can be explained away by his encounter with that Albanian bear in Duboce Park, such hate has much deeper roots.
Love when those types bring up fascism in reference to Russia, demonstrating complete ignorance of what the word means to us in context of what we suffered fighting it. Kind of like the white, suburban brats who think they have the right to call people the "N" word because they like Jay Z. Bet Roberto was a wiger growing up.

There was UN participation in the previous talks. Remember the Ahtisaari plan? According to the Serbian commentators, I quote: "It has miserably failed". So what is the point in miserably failing again? Funny bunch of people, send UN envoy, make him "fail miserably", then say let's send a UN envoy. Since we're quoting, a smart person once said "Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results."

We need two things:

(1) A mutual (!) agreed deal
(2) A decision of the UNSC

At the moment we have nonen...

"UN put the province on its feet again after the conflict. (It was not a war since it was in the same country.) UN has paid everything in Kosovo and many people have tried to help the people there as good as possible."

-- Let me correct this. The USA have paid for everything. The UN is only able to exist financially because the US funds the lion share. So yes, thank you USA for helping us before, during and after the war.

"Dont write me some bulls**t about yourself. You are in deep dept to the international community. Period !"

-- Correction again. We are indebted to the US and Western Europe. That is who stood by us. We owe nothing to say Slovakia, Iran, Venezuela etc etc. None of these other places deserves any credit under the guise of UN.

"Its fun to read K Albanian commentators ranting about independence. You are lost. Serbia is an old country and you are up against an experienced and tough country that have been doing diplomacy for many many years. Serbia have the backing of China, India, Russia and over half of the UN countries and EU does not (and will never) agree. Its bound to fail.
Serbia, in my opinion should never give up and according to most important diplomats, they will never give up either.
(Staff, 1 August 2012 20:48)"

--As a wise man once said: First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Your comment fits somewhere in that statement.

(j, 2 August 2012 01:59)
God, what stupid comments !!
"Let me correct this. The USA have paid for everything. The UN is only able to exist financially because the US funds the lion share. So yes, thank you USA for helping us before, during and after the war."

No J, US have NOT paid for everything. Actually, US is one of the ones that do not pay their share to the UN due to lack of money.
Make no mistake, I really love the US and have been all over the US about 40 times in my career/life. What I dislike was the intervention in Kosovo because that was a huge gaffe and this is today confirmed by hundreds of US military commanders, police officers, diplomats and last but not least, intelligence officers from US that I meet and talk to. No one is talking about any success. Absolutely no doubt !
Links for the US "paying it all" :

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-04-09-dues_N.htm

http://theglobaljournal.net/article/view/263/

Want more ??

Continued....

reader, you ar partially correct. in your assesments. yes it was a failure, but it wasn't the same type of role as is currently being discussed. atashiri provided a self crafted solution instead of mediating dialog. both parties should form the solution that they've agreed upon through compromise instead of some third party arbitrator dictating a solution.
if you want democratic nature then dialog is needed. if you want dictatorship then dictations are needed.

reader, you ar partially correct. in your assesments. yes it was a failure, but it wasn't the same type of role as is currently being discussed. atashiri provided a self crafted solution instead of mediating dialog. both parties should form the solution that they've agreed upon through compromise instead of some third party arbitrator dictating a solution.
if you want democratic nature then dialog is needed. if you want dictatorship then dictations are needed.
(writer, 2 August 2012 19:32)

Sounds nice in theory. Doesn't happen in most cases. Serbia vs. Turkey. US vs. England, Greece vs. Turkey, Finland vs. Russia etc. Most borders and independence movements have been imposed onto the other side. Imposition of independence movement is the ordinary. It is the exception to mutually agree on such movement not the ordinary. As such a mutual agreement in most cases is not possible. Instead one side learns to live with it, for example Turkey, England, Russia etc. Serbia will learn to live with it as well. You're just so illogically worried about saving face at the moment.

Need the diplomatic activity concerning the role of UN in the negotiations? Lobbying important factor in the Security Council!

the bully-UN or crook-UN where Russia will have unambiguously the leading role.
(ben, 2 August 2012 11:36
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The biggest bully on the planet today is the US and everyone knows it.
Do you see Russia invading countries? How many wars has the US begun for the benefit of 1%?
How many people have died because of US?
Don't talk about bullies when your rely on one to keep what was ill gotten.

what "Willi Pfaff" our german-albanian didn´t say:

India was occupied by the British, they liberated their land from foreign occupation after a long struggle, yes.

Kosovo i Metohija is serbian land, temporarily under foreign control, but what is important: it is still serbian territory, because the legal status is frozen, there where it counts! ( UNSC and other international organisations based on international law )

a unilateral declaration of "independence" is something like a fart in the wind... it doesn´n really have much of a meaning. and it will have even less meaning when Serbia´s time has come to liberate what is historically, morally and legally serbian.

but coming back to Willi´s childish comparison: India was and still is indian terriotry, while Kosovo is occupied right now, after the illegal invasion of foreign troops on serbian territory. actually, India is a nice example of what is going to be the future of southern Serbia.

so, if you try to be smart, think it over to the end, before you make a fool of yourself...