DSS leader assesses Ahtisaari’s statement as “empty threat”

It's up to Serbia to make the sensible decision and stay the proud, independent nation it always has been.

“It is clear that the EU for Serbian citizens does not have such an attractive force anymore and that the ‘EU has no alternative’ policy is finished in Serbia,” Koštunica added.
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Well said as always. The DSS is currently ahead of its time and when the Serbian people soon realise the path to the EU is a dead end, he will be exonerated. We must realise the powers working against Serbia are still strong but at the same time diminishing.

Finding a solution for Kosovo should be done for the sake of the people living there and not for the sake of serbs in the rest of the country and their dream of joining the EU.

Ha, ha... Vojislav just forgot a small detail. What he made sure about actually never happened. The UNSC never rejected the Ahtisaari plan.
(icj1, 29 July 2012 16:29)
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So then what happened to it? Where is it?

Ha, ha... Vojislav just forgot a small detail. What he made sure about actually never happened. The UNSC never rejected the Ahtisaari plan.
(icj1, 29 July 2012 16:29)
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LOL! It was never adopted because a Russian veto was waiting for it. So instead of putting it to the vote it was thrown in the rubbish, where it belongs. But we do have some Albanians dreaming and pushing trash.

icj, read the last sentence under background, and stop making a fool of yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_status_process

Empty gun. that kills every time it shots...and your full machine gun turned to yourself in 1999. Kostunica one war participant in Milosevic era fotografs himself with the kalashnikov I am sure that was full gun but not needed much because you left Kosovo ashamed of your crimes and as big loser.. be onest. Mr Ahtisari a nobel price winner he comes from Finland the country from EU. with veto rights..empty gun?? oh boy is full gun because he will close the door to Europe for you. and don't forget - keep your gun full and shot at the pigeons Kostunica..

It's up to Serbia to make the sensible decision and stay the proud, independent nation it always has been. (JJ, 29 July 2012 14:18)

Always dependent on Russia you mean. In the last decades depending on EU handouts to feed the masses. The proudest people are always the least intelligent, always the poor. Always those susceptible to propaganda and demagoguery.

Serbia is happy to keep the illusion that Kosovo is Serbia and appease the nationalists.
(Comm. Parrisson, 29 July 2012 16:09)
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Who are these nationalists you are talking about? Are they ordinary citizens who know who Kosovo belongs to and won't allow theft of their territory? Do these people qualify to be called nationalists?
So please do tell us your definition of a nationalist.

Who are these nationalists you are talking about? Are they ordinary citizens who know who Kosovo belongs to
(Peggy, 29 July 2012 22:48)

Yeah, they are ordinzary citizens of Australia LOL

Finding a solution for Kosovo should be done for the sake of the people living there and not for the sake of serbs in the rest of the country and their dream of joining the EU.
(MikeC, 29 July 2012 15:18)

Yes, but unfortunately, both sides seem to prefer the status quo: Kosovo government is happy that their drug mafia clans have a safe base for operating, Serbia is happy to keep the illusion that Kosovo is Serbia and appease the nationalists.

"“We made sure at the right moment in 2007 that the Security Council rejected Ahtisaari’s plan and no additional blackmails can revive Ahtisaari’s project to have Serbia recognize Kosovo,” Koštunica stressed."

Ha, ha... Vojislav just forgot a small detail. What he made sure about actually never happened. The UNSC never rejected the Ahtisaari plan.

Ha, ha... Vojislav just forgot a small detail. What he made sure about actually never happened. The UNSC never rejected the Ahtisaari plan.
(icj1, 29 July 2012 16:29)
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So then what happened to it? Where is it?
(Peggy, 29 July 2012 22:45)

The UNSG approved it and Kosovo implemented it when it declared independence in accordance with international law and resolution 1244.

“It is clear that the EU for Serbian citizens does not have such an attractive force anymore and that the ‘EU has no alternative’ policy is finished in Serbia,” Koštunica added.

This has been our daily dose of the 'EU has no alternative policy has failed' claim, brought to you by Kostunica himself :)

Serbs need to realize they have lost Kosova forever and need to move on

Another one of those clear moments when you can provenly see that DSS and Kostunica just issue rubbish. Just read what Kostunica told a few months ago:

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=05&dd=26&nav_id=80449

And now he got confirmation from a Western diplomat that Serbia won't be able to join EU until it recognizes Kosovo. However, now he calls it an "empty threat". Is he really that stupid or does he just believe that the audience is? I think he assumes that 2nd consideration.

Kostunica along with the rest fascist right wing Serbs should just start to decide which lie to perpetuate.

having read the albanian contributions in this thread, especially those of "ICJ", I think given that we are dealing with so much stupidity or at least ignorance, it will be even easier to liberate occupied southern Serbia.

take "ICJ" as a nice example: not only has he made a fool of himself when he posted a link of the socalled ICJ-"ruling" combined with the question to show him what he denied... after telling him where to look, I stopped the conversation with him, since it served no purpose anymore.

you cannot discuss anything with those who do not even know what they are talking about.

and with his senseless LOL´s and Ha Ha´s he creates even more the impression of a mislead minor albanian, with a lot of time but very limited intel. capacity.

so, Peggy and all the others: don´t take him too serious, he´s just a troll. clueless and stubbornly trying to promote his very own little dreamworld...

and as if it was not enough, he just made the same mistake a second time, what let´s me doubt in his intelligence, actually. Ecoman, I think it was Ecoman, Im sorry if I´m mixing things up here, ...but Ecoman posted a link where he very clearly presented ICJ to be a clueless troll.

as for the other Albanian, who wrote the Serbs should get over it:

my dear k-albanian, its the Albanians who need to realize that they won´t get away with serbian territory. sooner or later, we will hold you accountable for all youve done. just a question of time. I bet you will run away, again.

as a little post scriptum:
I forgot to say that what the old cripple says is simply irrelevant, since he played his little role he was given by the US and now he is quite irrelevant in regard to the KiM-issue.

it is interesting though, it seems like crippled "politecians" are suffering from an inferiority complex that let´s them feel the need to start a little public barking from time to time.

there is an active german official, who is sitting in the wheelchair and he has shown quite similar symptoms. I read about it in the english-spiegel-site... and it reminded me of our crippled friend...



let the dogs bark, that´s what they usually do when they are afraid of biting.

LOL! It was never adopted because a Russian veto was waiting for it. So instead of putting it to the vote it was thrown in the rubbish, where it belongs. But we do have some Albanians dreaming and pushing trash.
(Zoran, 29 July 2012 23:15)

LOL about Russia's veto we don't know unless, of course, you are reppresenting Russia in which case you'd be correct since you would have done the voting.

But you are correct when you say that it was not adopted and that is because under the terms of UNSCR 1244 the Security Council did not reserve
for itself the final determination of the situation in Kosovo.

So the UNSG approved it and Kosovo implemented it by declaring independence in accordance with int'l law and UNSCR 1244... end of the story. What you or me or, say, Zimbabwe think is irrelevant - we are not Kosovo.

@icj1
stop making a fool and an idiot out of yourself, you are making albanians look even stupider if thats even possible .. the Ahtisaari plan never even made it to the UNSC cuz it did not have enough support to pass ala russia's veto .. in other words Ahtisaari's plan is dead and it has been thrown to the trash much like where you albanians belong and will eventually end up

fyi icj1 your udi is illegal and violates both the un charter & the helsinkii accord which is precisely why your not even in the olympics .. keep dreaming in your bizarre world that you are independent when in fact you are not because independent countries are not un protectorates, they are self-sustainable, they are members of international organizations (UN), can compete in world events, have control over their entire territory and there are no restrictions placed on them .. in essence you do not meet any of the criteria for being an independent state and thus you are not .. go ahead and keep saying kosovo is independent until you are blue in the face cuz it will never happen ... kosovo will remain a blackhole until serbia regains control over ALL of it .. if you think anybody is going to help you they arent, this aint 1999 its 2012 and it will be fought one on one, its obvious the serbs will crush the albanians .. albanins cant measure up to the serbs militarily cuz u needed nato to intervene illegally the first time & u wont have them this time cuz of russia and chinas veto (i.e syrian conflict)

Who are these nationalists you are talking about? Are they ordinary citizens who know who Kosovo belongs to
(Peggy, 29 July 2012 22:48)

Yeah, they are ordinzary citizens of Australia LOL
(icj1, 29 July 2012 23:19)

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Ha, ha... Vojislav just forgot a small detail. What he made sure about actually never happened. The UNSC never rejected the Ahtisaari plan.
(icj1, 29 July 2012 16:29)
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So then what happened to it? Where is it?
(Peggy, 29 July 2012 22:45)

The UNSG approved it and Kosovo implemented it when it declared independence in accordance with international law and resolution 1244.
(icj1, 29 July 2012 23:18)
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Just two examples of icj's stupidity.
Why does he/she keep answering when clearly not knowing which way it up?

but then again my question to you, WHO is that to punish Serbia, huuummm? =)
(Jovan, 30 July 2012 15:48)

You're still asking who is that to punish Serbia. NATO, against whom Serbia lost the war.
This is the reason why this is the first "agreement" that Serbia respects to some extent. You hope for Russia. Serbia knows better that there is no Russia to fight.
Otherwise, Serbia would not wait to put this "agreement" in trash bin just like she did with every agreement prior to hear defeat.

Whatever Kosovo 'implemented', it's surely not the Ahtissari plan.
(Comm. Parrisson, 30 July 2012 07:21)

Actually, it is pretty close, at least on paper. The Kosovo constitution and government are modeled according to the Ahtissari plan. Of course, in practice it is a work in progress, and Serbians are not always treated in accordance with the plan, but I do believe that progress is being made.

The UNSG approved it and Kosovo implemented it when it declared independence in accordance with international law and resolution 1244.
(icj1, 29 July 2012 23:18)

Whatever Kosovo 'implemented', it's surely not the Ahtissari plan.

@simpatiku:

what penalty, boy? what are you dreaming of? are you dreams in color or black and white? =)

my dear k-albanian friend, this is not ´99 anymore, with a weak Russia that couldn´t help because of a drunk old man in power.

so, who should that be in your opinion? the US? well then, let them just try it again. this time is different. or do you really believe that you Albanians could harm Serbia? =)

you are amusing me.

ps: Kumanovo was not a capitulation, it was an agreement. it was signed since the US and their "allies" didn´t have the guts to fight Serbia on the ground and because they knew that they couldn´t go on bombing Serbia for very long, since after 78 days and with more and more dead civilians, oh, of course you would call them "collateral damages", since the poeples in the western hemisphere wouldn´t have given further support for it.

so, if you are not capable of understanding the difference between the signing of a capitulation and a military technical agreement, then you´re either ignorant or mislead by the rather stupid propaganda in the albanian-yellow-press.

but at the end of the day, ..both alternatives are a sign of ignorance, actually.

but then again my question to you, WHO is that to punish Serbia, huuummm? =)

well Simpatiku, it seems you either do not read or do not understand. if you lose, you have to sign a capitulation, not a "military-technical agreement".

I know, you would desperately like to see Serbia having "lost a war", but if you turn on your brain just for a second, you will realize that NATO was not the winner here. According to Sun Tzu on the other hand, NATO IS the loser here. but read Sun Tzu for yourself and if you have the brains to understand, you will. Otherwise, I am not here to teach you anything.

but to make it clear: I hardly believe NATO or let´s say, the US are willing to engage in a wider conflict in south-eastern europe now. not only are they overstretched and having serious problems with their G.I.´s who have to serve 3-4 times until they can finally say they have survived it, ...but also is Serbia not the pariah-state from ´99.

and you´re foolish if you believe that I mean Russia fighting for Serbia,..the difference between Albananians and Serbs is: Serbs do not let others fight for them. they do it themselves.

the bottomline was: Serbia recieves help in form of political support in the important places, just as the UNSC. and there your "friends" just failed. no they didn´t even want to let it come that far just because of the Albanians! They didn´t even push forward to the UNSC, since they saw that there is nothing to earn for them.

so, go on believing that NATO won and that they would "punish" Serbia.. you must, it´s your only hope.

icj, read the last sentence under background, and stop making a fool of yourself.
[link]
(ecoman, 29 July 2012 23:00)

Nice link… However, didn’t contain anything to show the meeting in which the Security Council voted to reject the Ahtisaari plan. So stop making a fool of yourself :)

if you think anybody is going to help you they arent, this aint 1999 its 2012 and it will be fought one on one, its obvious the serbs will crush the albanians .. albanins cant measure up to the serbs militarily cuz u needed nato to intervene illegally the first time & u wont have them this time cuz of russia and chinas veto (i.e syrian conflict)
(Aleks, 30 July 2012 02:25)

The capitulation that was signed by Serbia back in 1999 in Kumanovo, is the fact that Serbia lost the war against NATO. It has nothing to do with UNSC.
If Serbia violates the terms of capitulation, the severity of the penalty she will suffer will not be subject to be voted in UNSC.
Therefore no Russia or China veto will be there to prevent the penalty that Serbia has to pay, should she act stupidly.
Nikolic, Kostunica and CO knows that. Serbian public knows this fact as well. There is only some diaspora Serbs who create imaginary world while playing with themselves in front of their keyboards.

You have a learning disability.
(Peggy, 1 August 2012 12:34)

You are absolutely correct dear. I've a disability in seeing things that never happened - like the UNSC voting to reject the A plan.
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The reason the A plan was never debated was because it NEVER HAD A CHANCE of passing.
(Peggy, 1 August 2012 12:34)

And I say that you are wrong and you don’t have any evidence (i.e. UNSC vote) that the Ahtisaari plan “never had a change of passing” other then hypothetical scenarios of ifs and thens. Unless, of course, the UN Charter grants to Peggy the right to veto UNSC resolutions, in which case you are correct.
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So there was no need to even bring it up.
(Peggy, 1 August 2012 12:34)

Absolutely correct because as already explained with legal evidence, under the terms of UNSCR 1244 the Security Council did not reserve for itself the final determination of the situation in Kosovo.
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What is the difference between never debating the plan because it never had a chance of passing or debating it and not passing it? The second one is slightly better because at least there was a chance. In this case option 1 was taken which is far worse for Mr Athisaari.
(Peggy, 1 August 2012 12:34)

I’m not sure why you are asking the above to me… I never said anything about the difference or lack thereof for the things you mentioned. But feel free to provide answers to your own questions :). So can you please stop with making a fool of yourself.

Nice link… However, didn’t contain anything to show the meeting in which the Security Council voted to reject the Ahtisaari plan. So stop making a fool of yourself :)
(icj1, 31 July 2012 03:37)
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You have a learning disability.
The reason the A plan was never debated was because it NEVER HAD A CHANCE of passing. So there was no need to even bring it up.

What is the difference between never debating the plan because it never had a chance of passing or debating it and not passing it?
The second one is slightly better because at least there was a chance.
In this case option 1 was taken which is far worse for Mr Athisaari.
So can you please stop with making a fool of yourself. I am actually starting to feel sorry for you.

It's up to Serbia to make the sensible decision and stay the proud, independent nation it always has been. (JJ, 29 July 2012 14:18)

Always dependent on Russia you mean. In the last decades depending on EU handouts to feed the masses. The proudest people are always the least intelligent, always the poor. Always those susceptible to propaganda and demagoguery.

“It is clear that the EU for Serbian citizens does not have such an attractive force anymore and that the ‘EU has no alternative’ policy is finished in Serbia,” Koštunica added.

This has been our daily dose of the 'EU has no alternative policy has failed' claim, brought to you by Kostunica himself :)

Finding a solution for Kosovo should be done for the sake of the people living there and not for the sake of serbs in the rest of the country and their dream of joining the EU.
(MikeC, 29 July 2012 15:18)

Yes, but unfortunately, both sides seem to prefer the status quo: Kosovo government is happy that their drug mafia clans have a safe base for operating, Serbia is happy to keep the illusion that Kosovo is Serbia and appease the nationalists.

"“We made sure at the right moment in 2007 that the Security Council rejected Ahtisaari’s plan and no additional blackmails can revive Ahtisaari’s project to have Serbia recognize Kosovo,” Koštunica stressed."

Ha, ha... Vojislav just forgot a small detail. What he made sure about actually never happened. The UNSC never rejected the Ahtisaari plan.

Serbs need to realize they have lost Kosova forever and need to move on

It's up to Serbia to make the sensible decision and stay the proud, independent nation it always has been.

Empty gun. that kills every time it shots...and your full machine gun turned to yourself in 1999. Kostunica one war participant in Milosevic era fotografs himself with the kalashnikov I am sure that was full gun but not needed much because you left Kosovo ashamed of your crimes and as big loser.. be onest. Mr Ahtisari a nobel price winner he comes from Finland the country from EU. with veto rights..empty gun?? oh boy is full gun because he will close the door to Europe for you. and don't forget - keep your gun full and shot at the pigeons Kostunica..

Ha, ha... Vojislav just forgot a small detail. What he made sure about actually never happened. The UNSC never rejected the Ahtisaari plan.
(icj1, 29 July 2012 16:29)
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So then what happened to it? Where is it?
(Peggy, 29 July 2012 22:45)

The UNSG approved it and Kosovo implemented it when it declared independence in accordance with international law and resolution 1244.

“It is clear that the EU for Serbian citizens does not have such an attractive force anymore and that the ‘EU has no alternative’ policy is finished in Serbia,” Koštunica added.
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Well said as always. The DSS is currently ahead of its time and when the Serbian people soon realise the path to the EU is a dead end, he will be exonerated. We must realise the powers working against Serbia are still strong but at the same time diminishing.

Who are these nationalists you are talking about? Are they ordinary citizens who know who Kosovo belongs to
(Peggy, 29 July 2012 22:48)

Yeah, they are ordinzary citizens of Australia LOL

Serbia is happy to keep the illusion that Kosovo is Serbia and appease the nationalists.
(Comm. Parrisson, 29 July 2012 16:09)
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Who are these nationalists you are talking about? Are they ordinary citizens who know who Kosovo belongs to and won't allow theft of their territory? Do these people qualify to be called nationalists?
So please do tell us your definition of a nationalist.

Ha, ha... Vojislav just forgot a small detail. What he made sure about actually never happened. The UNSC never rejected the Ahtisaari plan.
(icj1, 29 July 2012 16:29)
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So then what happened to it? Where is it?

Ha, ha... Vojislav just forgot a small detail. What he made sure about actually never happened. The UNSC never rejected the Ahtisaari plan.
(icj1, 29 July 2012 16:29)
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LOL! It was never adopted because a Russian veto was waiting for it. So instead of putting it to the vote it was thrown in the rubbish, where it belongs. But we do have some Albanians dreaming and pushing trash.

LOL! It was never adopted because a Russian veto was waiting for it. So instead of putting it to the vote it was thrown in the rubbish, where it belongs. But we do have some Albanians dreaming and pushing trash.
(Zoran, 29 July 2012 23:15)

LOL about Russia's veto we don't know unless, of course, you are reppresenting Russia in which case you'd be correct since you would have done the voting.

But you are correct when you say that it was not adopted and that is because under the terms of UNSCR 1244 the Security Council did not reserve
for itself the final determination of the situation in Kosovo.

So the UNSG approved it and Kosovo implemented it by declaring independence in accordance with int'l law and UNSCR 1244... end of the story. What you or me or, say, Zimbabwe think is irrelevant - we are not Kosovo.

icj, read the last sentence under background, and stop making a fool of yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_status_process

Who are these nationalists you are talking about? Are they ordinary citizens who know who Kosovo belongs to
(Peggy, 29 July 2012 22:48)

Yeah, they are ordinzary citizens of Australia LOL
(icj1, 29 July 2012 23:19)

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Ha, ha... Vojislav just forgot a small detail. What he made sure about actually never happened. The UNSC never rejected the Ahtisaari plan.
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So then what happened to it? Where is it?
(Peggy, 29 July 2012 22:45)

The UNSG approved it and Kosovo implemented it when it declared independence in accordance with international law and resolution 1244.
(icj1, 29 July 2012 23:18)
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Just two examples of icj's stupidity.
Why does he/she keep answering when clearly not knowing which way it up?

Finding a solution for Kosovo should be done for the sake of the people living there and not for the sake of serbs in the rest of the country and their dream of joining the EU.

Another one of those clear moments when you can provenly see that DSS and Kostunica just issue rubbish. Just read what Kostunica told a few months ago:

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=05&dd=26&nav_id=80449

And now he got confirmation from a Western diplomat that Serbia won't be able to join EU until it recognizes Kosovo. However, now he calls it an "empty threat". Is he really that stupid or does he just believe that the audience is? I think he assumes that 2nd consideration.

Kostunica along with the rest fascist right wing Serbs should just start to decide which lie to perpetuate.

having read the albanian contributions in this thread, especially those of "ICJ", I think given that we are dealing with so much stupidity or at least ignorance, it will be even easier to liberate occupied southern Serbia.

take "ICJ" as a nice example: not only has he made a fool of himself when he posted a link of the socalled ICJ-"ruling" combined with the question to show him what he denied... after telling him where to look, I stopped the conversation with him, since it served no purpose anymore.

you cannot discuss anything with those who do not even know what they are talking about.

and with his senseless LOL´s and Ha Ha´s he creates even more the impression of a mislead minor albanian, with a lot of time but very limited intel. capacity.

so, Peggy and all the others: don´t take him too serious, he´s just a troll. clueless and stubbornly trying to promote his very own little dreamworld...

and as if it was not enough, he just made the same mistake a second time, what let´s me doubt in his intelligence, actually. Ecoman, I think it was Ecoman, Im sorry if I´m mixing things up here, ...but Ecoman posted a link where he very clearly presented ICJ to be a clueless troll.

as for the other Albanian, who wrote the Serbs should get over it:

my dear k-albanian, its the Albanians who need to realize that they won´t get away with serbian territory. sooner or later, we will hold you accountable for all youve done. just a question of time. I bet you will run away, again.

as a little post scriptum:
I forgot to say that what the old cripple says is simply irrelevant, since he played his little role he was given by the US and now he is quite irrelevant in regard to the KiM-issue.

it is interesting though, it seems like crippled "politecians" are suffering from an inferiority complex that let´s them feel the need to start a little public barking from time to time.

there is an active german official, who is sitting in the wheelchair and he has shown quite similar symptoms. I read about it in the english-spiegel-site... and it reminded me of our crippled friend...



let the dogs bark, that´s what they usually do when they are afraid of biting.

@icj1
stop making a fool and an idiot out of yourself, you are making albanians look even stupider if thats even possible .. the Ahtisaari plan never even made it to the UNSC cuz it did not have enough support to pass ala russia's veto .. in other words Ahtisaari's plan is dead and it has been thrown to the trash much like where you albanians belong and will eventually end up

fyi icj1 your udi is illegal and violates both the un charter & the helsinkii accord which is precisely why your not even in the olympics .. keep dreaming in your bizarre world that you are independent when in fact you are not because independent countries are not un protectorates, they are self-sustainable, they are members of international organizations (UN), can compete in world events, have control over their entire territory and there are no restrictions placed on them .. in essence you do not meet any of the criteria for being an independent state and thus you are not .. go ahead and keep saying kosovo is independent until you are blue in the face cuz it will never happen ... kosovo will remain a blackhole until serbia regains control over ALL of it .. if you think anybody is going to help you they arent, this aint 1999 its 2012 and it will be fought one on one, its obvious the serbs will crush the albanians .. albanins cant measure up to the serbs militarily cuz u needed nato to intervene illegally the first time & u wont have them this time cuz of russia and chinas veto (i.e syrian conflict)

The UNSG approved it and Kosovo implemented it when it declared independence in accordance with international law and resolution 1244.
(icj1, 29 July 2012 23:18)

Whatever Kosovo 'implemented', it's surely not the Ahtissari plan.

if you think anybody is going to help you they arent, this aint 1999 its 2012 and it will be fought one on one, its obvious the serbs will crush the albanians .. albanins cant measure up to the serbs militarily cuz u needed nato to intervene illegally the first time & u wont have them this time cuz of russia and chinas veto (i.e syrian conflict)
(Aleks, 30 July 2012 02:25)

The capitulation that was signed by Serbia back in 1999 in Kumanovo, is the fact that Serbia lost the war against NATO. It has nothing to do with UNSC.
If Serbia violates the terms of capitulation, the severity of the penalty she will suffer will not be subject to be voted in UNSC.
Therefore no Russia or China veto will be there to prevent the penalty that Serbia has to pay, should she act stupidly.
Nikolic, Kostunica and CO knows that. Serbian public knows this fact as well. There is only some diaspora Serbs who create imaginary world while playing with themselves in front of their keyboards.

@simpatiku:

what penalty, boy? what are you dreaming of? are you dreams in color or black and white? =)

my dear k-albanian friend, this is not ´99 anymore, with a weak Russia that couldn´t help because of a drunk old man in power.

so, who should that be in your opinion? the US? well then, let them just try it again. this time is different. or do you really believe that you Albanians could harm Serbia? =)

you are amusing me.

ps: Kumanovo was not a capitulation, it was an agreement. it was signed since the US and their "allies" didn´t have the guts to fight Serbia on the ground and because they knew that they couldn´t go on bombing Serbia for very long, since after 78 days and with more and more dead civilians, oh, of course you would call them "collateral damages", since the poeples in the western hemisphere wouldn´t have given further support for it.

so, if you are not capable of understanding the difference between the signing of a capitulation and a military technical agreement, then you´re either ignorant or mislead by the rather stupid propaganda in the albanian-yellow-press.

but at the end of the day, ..both alternatives are a sign of ignorance, actually.

but then again my question to you, WHO is that to punish Serbia, huuummm? =)

but then again my question to you, WHO is that to punish Serbia, huuummm? =)
(Jovan, 30 July 2012 15:48)

You're still asking who is that to punish Serbia. NATO, against whom Serbia lost the war.
This is the reason why this is the first "agreement" that Serbia respects to some extent. You hope for Russia. Serbia knows better that there is no Russia to fight.
Otherwise, Serbia would not wait to put this "agreement" in trash bin just like she did with every agreement prior to hear defeat.

well Simpatiku, it seems you either do not read or do not understand. if you lose, you have to sign a capitulation, not a "military-technical agreement".

I know, you would desperately like to see Serbia having "lost a war", but if you turn on your brain just for a second, you will realize that NATO was not the winner here. According to Sun Tzu on the other hand, NATO IS the loser here. but read Sun Tzu for yourself and if you have the brains to understand, you will. Otherwise, I am not here to teach you anything.

but to make it clear: I hardly believe NATO or let´s say, the US are willing to engage in a wider conflict in south-eastern europe now. not only are they overstretched and having serious problems with their G.I.´s who have to serve 3-4 times until they can finally say they have survived it, ...but also is Serbia not the pariah-state from ´99.

and you´re foolish if you believe that I mean Russia fighting for Serbia,..the difference between Albananians and Serbs is: Serbs do not let others fight for them. they do it themselves.

the bottomline was: Serbia recieves help in form of political support in the important places, just as the UNSC. and there your "friends" just failed. no they didn´t even want to let it come that far just because of the Albanians! They didn´t even push forward to the UNSC, since they saw that there is nothing to earn for them.

so, go on believing that NATO won and that they would "punish" Serbia.. you must, it´s your only hope.

Whatever Kosovo 'implemented', it's surely not the Ahtissari plan.
(Comm. Parrisson, 30 July 2012 07:21)

Actually, it is pretty close, at least on paper. The Kosovo constitution and government are modeled according to the Ahtissari plan. Of course, in practice it is a work in progress, and Serbians are not always treated in accordance with the plan, but I do believe that progress is being made.

icj, read the last sentence under background, and stop making a fool of yourself.
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(ecoman, 29 July 2012 23:00)

Nice link… However, didn’t contain anything to show the meeting in which the Security Council voted to reject the Ahtisaari plan. So stop making a fool of yourself :)

Nice link… However, didn’t contain anything to show the meeting in which the Security Council voted to reject the Ahtisaari plan. So stop making a fool of yourself :)
(icj1, 31 July 2012 03:37)
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You have a learning disability.
The reason the A plan was never debated was because it NEVER HAD A CHANCE of passing. So there was no need to even bring it up.

What is the difference between never debating the plan because it never had a chance of passing or debating it and not passing it?
The second one is slightly better because at least there was a chance.
In this case option 1 was taken which is far worse for Mr Athisaari.
So can you please stop with making a fool of yourself. I am actually starting to feel sorry for you.

You have a learning disability.
(Peggy, 1 August 2012 12:34)

You are absolutely correct dear. I've a disability in seeing things that never happened - like the UNSC voting to reject the A plan.
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The reason the A plan was never debated was because it NEVER HAD A CHANCE of passing.
(Peggy, 1 August 2012 12:34)

And I say that you are wrong and you don’t have any evidence (i.e. UNSC vote) that the Ahtisaari plan “never had a change of passing” other then hypothetical scenarios of ifs and thens. Unless, of course, the UN Charter grants to Peggy the right to veto UNSC resolutions, in which case you are correct.
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So there was no need to even bring it up.
(Peggy, 1 August 2012 12:34)

Absolutely correct because as already explained with legal evidence, under the terms of UNSCR 1244 the Security Council did not reserve for itself the final determination of the situation in Kosovo.
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What is the difference between never debating the plan because it never had a chance of passing or debating it and not passing it? The second one is slightly better because at least there was a chance. In this case option 1 was taken which is far worse for Mr Athisaari.
(Peggy, 1 August 2012 12:34)

I’m not sure why you are asking the above to me… I never said anything about the difference or lack thereof for the things you mentioned. But feel free to provide answers to your own questions :). So can you please stop with making a fool of yourself.