“No EU membership without recognition of Kosovo”

How relevant is a statement of a man who is not relevant himself?

Since Ahtisari is for an independent Kosovo then everything he says must be the truth. We all know mr Nebel prize winner that you were paid a lot of money to advocate an independent Kosovo. However, there will be no long term stability unless there is a fair solution to the problems in Kosovo. So, you may huff and puff as much as you like but it won't change the reality on the ground. Serbs misstreated albanians and now albanians misstreat serbs. Why should one bad behaviour be punished but not the other? Mr Ahtisari, you just don't make any sense.

At least this so-called diplomat privately acknowledges that without Serbia’s recognition, the kosova* independence project is going nowhere.

Ahtisaari once again exposes himself as a biased and hateful individual who wasn't fit to propose a peace plan between Serbians and Albanians. That is the reason his plan was trashed and why he is so bitter these days. So he got the Nobel "peace" prize, which as we know is awarded to war mongers these days. Just look at Obama as an example.

Regardless of how many recognitions "Kosova"* gets, we all know it won't get the ones that count. It has the failing West and all the little islands, poor and weak countries easily bribed and pressured. Nothing new here.

The Only problem is that, most of the Serbs don't actually know what has the Serbian regime has done through the nineties.
How can they know when they just elected the exact same ones who did treat not only Kosovars but also other neighboring countries.
Serbia needs to learn a lot more about their real truth, to recover from media propaganda that had kept them eyes closed for decades.

He expressed hope that “the 100th country will soon recognize Kosovo,” stressing that 91 countries had recognized its independence.

Oh and, Hashish predicted that many automatic recognition's in 2008 and here we are 5 years on and now you are "hoping" as this clown says.

By all objective counts, this entire project has been a waste of time and money for all those involved. Not for the Albs obviously because they have nothing but time and no money, but for your sponsors who will withdraw because this is not yielding results and becoming unfeasible.

I totally agree Peggy, this guy was so irrelevant that he won a nobel prize once.

Martti Ahtisaari just speaks out what many officials in EU countries think and already even said. Serbia won't be allowed to join the EU because of the decision of individual countries. Nobody wants a 2nd Cyprus. Even the the thought that Serbia might be allowed to join without solving the Kosovo issue is hilarious. Serbian politicians constantly lie about that fact and try to uphold that illusion. If they would be really open they would explain that issue and make the decision: Abandon Kosovo and pursue EU or abandon EU and continue the (failed) Kosovo policy. Once and for all, you can't have both.

Former UN Envoy for Kosovo Martti Ahtisaari has said that Serbia should not be allowed to join the EU until it recognizes Kosovo.

B92

Ahtisaari doesn't need introductions but I am still very surprised that Serbian politicians are pursuing the membership of a bankrupt entity.
If I were Nikolic I would tell Ahtisaari and the EU to shove the membership where the sun doesn't shine.

I thought this guy was dead? No matter, I'm sure he will be soon.

Well obviously you would say that, your wrote this project.

This guy once said Kosovo* does not have to be a member of the UN to be a real country because Switzerland only joined in 2002 and nobody said Switzerland was not a real country.

Yeah but, there's a bit of a difference between not wanting to join and being told no you cannot join, stay away........

Besides, to hell with the European Union. Its not going to survive in years to come and even if it does, it will only continue benefiting the same countries' it always has. Bulgaria and Romania the last two to join and Serbia's neighbors have seen more negatives than benefits since membership.

If anything this clown would be doing us a favor, if anyone cared what he had to say.

Why would anyone listen to fat, racist, finnish guy?

Somehow strange. I thought Ahtissari would be smart enough to see and to realize that his (good) plan of creating a multi-ethnic, democratic Kosovo has miserably failed. Maybe it's human nature not to admit your own failures, and instead to keep the illusions alive and to interpret the reality like it suits you?

Serbia doesn't have to do anything but wait. German influence in Brussels will diminish from this freak peak period, the 'economy' in Pristina will implode and demand Tito stanard subsidies from Brussels, and the albanians will turn in themselves.

As long as Serbia does not say it doesn't want to join, for it must be left to Brussels to make that recignition explicit, Serbia will continue to harmonise to european standards and simply ignore the illegal demands and conditions that are not applied to othe states.

Belgrade will demand that the EU and NATO foreces respect the basic human rights of minorities in Kosovo. If Brussels insists on implementation and not empty words, then they will be equally held to implementing these standards such as the European Convention of Human Rights and the right of return, not complicity with Pristina to permenantly cleanse Kosovo of almost all non-albanians.

Ahtisaari served near the child of the seventh grade of elementary school ...!

"Ahtisaari once again exposes himself as a biased and hateful individual." It is only hateful to the Serbs. Every nation in the Balkan region would prefer Serbia just to recognise the independent state of Kosovo and just move on for the sake of it's starving citizens. If Serbia thinks that it would ever get into the E.U without recognising Kosovo is laughable. You will be vetoed at every stage and you will still be no closer to getting into the E.U as you are now. Europe is changing and so is the world and the faster the Serbs realise the better..!

But Serbia was unable to treat the Albanians in northern Kosovo bad, because there are almost no Albanian. That is why Serbia could not "lose the right" to the north of Kosovo, is not it?

who cares about the EU its failing and collapsing, its not going to last ....the end is near and the people are fed up.

There is a third option, albanians can join the EU as citizens of Albania in Albania proper and the others can join the EU as citizens of Serbia. Pity Macedonia.

Serbia needs to learn a lot more about their real truth, to recover from media propaganda that had kept them eyes closed for decades.
(burim, 29 July 2012 11:51)
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You know most diaspora Serbs here watch Western media and are more patriotic than most Serbs in Serbia proper. Are you suggesting that the Western media have favoured the Serbs? LOL!! You are a funny fellow.

We have seen the propaganda, don't you worry about that. Serbs were demonised all around the world. We have seen our crimes, whether real or fabricated all over Western media. However, we have rarely seen crimes against us challenged. Like, the organ trafficking probe, which is being covered up. Recently a mass grave full of Serbs was scorched (not a squeak from anyone). Laptops with evidence of crimes against Serbs gone missing. The list goes on and on.

It's time to see the real evil in this world, the NATO death machine and those controlling it. Who are they? Too bad this US president wasn't around to fix it. Check -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces

I thought someone who is negotiating a deal between parties should himself be unpartial!
What a joke is this!
And Mr. Ahtisaari why Tibet must stay in China then? Double standards?

The man might be irrelevant scum, but at least he speaks the truth, unlike most of Serbia's political class (except the DSS and LDP) who market the fantasy that EU membership is possible without capitulation on Serbia's territorial integrity. The "compromise" they will accept,and have been preparing you for, will be retaining a few square feet of Northern Kosovo. In fact, the only reason the EU is pushing Serbia to join is that it is their only card to play to force recognition and thus, they believe, start to mitigate the monumental disaster that Kosovo has become. It is for the Serbian people to decide if they wish for their southern province to be "harvested" like a kidney in the yellow house in exchange for the ever declining benefits of EU membership; but that is the choice, weather your politicians are willing to say so or not.

Ahtisaari said: “Serbia should not be allowed to join the EU until it recognizes Kosovo. Serbia lost its rights in Kosovo a long time ago. It treated Kosovo citizens badly for years,”
This is true. Milosevic messed things up badly.
Also true is that the Albanian population treated the Serbs in Kosovo very badly, which is what triggered Milosevic' response of an "eye for eye".
So where we are now is a situation whereby both can't live with the other, ever.
Reconciliation is only possible in prose but in reality there will never be any. Ahtisaari is naive to think that the Serbs will simply leave Kosovo just because Milosevic had a serious mistake in judgement moment. (Well, there were other moments but let's focuss on this for now).
Gerard Gallucci has the right idea with his suggestion of how the Irish-English settlement may offer a model for how a Kosovo-Serbia deal might be made.
Nikolic and his deputies need to think long and hard what is in the best interest of the nation, not what they believe to be ideal.

I were Nikolic I would tell Ahtisaari and the EU to shove the membership where the sun doesn't shine.
(Leonidas, 29 July 2012 18:47)

You should tell that to the Serbs... they are asking to join the EU not viceversa. And since we are on topic, your fellow Greeks can probably do the same.... oops, pardon, they can't do it because they depend on EU's money to survive.
(icj1, 29 July 2012 23:39)


An on whose money do starving Albanians depend to survive?

The only problem is that, most of the Serbs don't actually know what has the Serbian regime has done through the nineties. How can they know when they just elected the exact same ones who did treat not only Kosovars but also other neighboring countries. Serbia needs to learn a lot more about their real truth, to recover from media propaganda that had kept them eyes closed for decades.(burim, 29 July 2012 11:51)

It's always the same question -- what do they know; what do they want to know. we have all the facts -- yet somehow they always have their special set of "facts" that posits them as the eternal victims. even after the horrors they perpetrated in the 90s, they are still the eternal victims, and their media pushes the line, day in and day out. always sad...

roberto frisco

“Serbia should not be allowed to join the EU until it recognizes Kosovo. Serbia lost its rights in Kosovo a long time ago. It treated Kosovo citizens badly for years,” the Nobel peace prize winner told Zagreb-based daily Večernji list.
Did this guy go to school ?
Serbians were miss treated over centuries by croats, albanians and muslim bosnians.

If I were Nikolic I would tell Ahtisaari and the EU to shove the membership where the sun doesn't shine.
(Leonidas, 29 July 2012 18:47)

You should tell that to the Serbs... they are asking to join the EU not viceversa. And since we are on topic, your fellow Greeks can probably do the same.... oops, pardon, they can't do it because they depend on EU's money to survive.


You know most diaspora Serbs here watch Western media and are more patriotic than most Serbs in Serbia proper. Are you suggesting that the Western media have favoured the Serbs? LOL!!
(Zoran, 29 July 2012 22:59)

No, I think he/she is suggesting that Serb diaspora is out of touch whith what concerns Serbia the most. It's not the 2% of the electorate that lives in Kosovo but the 10000 children who eat only one meal per day http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=07&dd=21&nav_id=81391. Heroisms are nice for the pages of these forums, but not for real life, dear. In real life, people have to feed themselves and their families first!

Since Ahtisari is for an independent Kosovo then everything he says must be the truth. We all know mr Nebel prize winner that you were paid a lot of money to advocate an independent Kosovo.
(MikeC, 29 July 2012 11:47)

Obviously you need to pay more attention to the excellent economic and financial analysis of the CE of B92 forums sj and you'll come to understand that Kosovo and it's allies are broke and cannot pay a lot of money. Serbia, Russia and China are the real economic superpowers of the world and can pay all that money (it's another discussion about why they did not pay Ahtisaari - probably because they are too honest LOL).

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

You should tell that to the Serbs... they are asking to join the EU not viceversa. And since we are on topic, your fellow Greeks can probably do the same.... oops, pardon, they can't do it because they depend on EU's money to survive.
(icj1, 29 July 2012 23:39)

An on whose money do starving Albanians depend to survive?
(Leonidas, 30 July 2012 11:10)

That's their business not mine... But you are free to ask them if you are so curious. It may be an instructive lesson on survival for the Greeks :)

"Serbians were miss treated over centuries by croats, albanians and muslim bosnians"

such victim mentality. let us say it is true (it isn't but for the sake of my point i'll pretend it is), none of us were alive during those centuries, does that give you the right to murder croats, albanians and bosnians now?

An on whose money do starving Albanians depend to survive?
(Leonidas, 30 July 2012 11:10)

Amazing, look who's talking about getting money. How much was the latest gift to Greece? 100 billion euros? How many times has that happened so far? How many times before the crisis? For a nation of how many? Whatever the sum, nobody in the Balkans can even get close to 1% of that. So, it would be wise for you to shut up :). Greece was the only country in the world with 14, sometimes 15, months a year. 15 monthly payments a year, that's the life man. Has it changed now?

such victim mentality. let us say it is true (it isn't but for the sake of my point i'll pretend it is), none of us were alive during those centuries, does that give you the right to murder croats, albanians and bosnians now?
(Nikolle, 31 July 2012 11:17)
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It is not murder when you are defending yourself and your family.
What centuries are you talking about?
This happened during WW1 and WW2. It's not that long ago and it repeated again in the 90s. I think most of us were alive then.

oh wow... some albanian smarty brought up his nobel-prize to elevate the old cripple to some highter level of importance... =)

well, given that HE got this once in fact prestigious and renowned prize, it is rather something that shows that a lot can be done by political pressure and with suitcases of money...

after Ahtisaari and Obama getting this prize, for an intelligent and serious observer it has lost its prestige and credibility.

but, if it is still good for some Albanians to feel better about it, ...let them be happy! =)

I feel so sorry for Serbs, they wont be able to join the RICH and SUCCESSFUL, DEBT FREE EU, its also NO WHERE NEAR FAILING, I mean look at Greece, they are absolutely the most prosperous nation in the EU, don't have a single debt, they have a huge economy enough to challenge China's or lets look at Hungary, or even better Ireland, Spain is also pretty good, Italy not so bad either. If you want to show how successful nations are when they join the EU just look at Romania and Bulgaria, yes perfect examples they are now much richer and much more prosperous than before. In fact people are so happy to be in the EU that they are burning EU flags because they are celebrating, must be a strange Greek and Hungarian way of celebrating. EU is supported by the USA, and who would not want to join an organization supported by USA even though USA has just a tiny amount of debt (only 14 TRILLION DOLLARS and rising) and they are the most PEACEFUL NATION IN THE WORLD.

What is wrong with these Serbs, all they have to do is recognize the fully independent Kosovo which is self-sufficient and has a way stronger economy than theirs and should be the image of the perfect EU nation then they can join the prosperous EU but no they decide to join with Russia which may be an emerging economy (but cannot compete with Greece) and although they supported them all the way and are slavic orthodox brothers they will not be able to join with the EU who bombed their country, don't understand Serbs.

"Ahtisaari once again exposes himself as a biased and hateful individual." It is only hateful to the Serbs. Every nation in the Balkan region would prefer Serbia just to recognise the independent state of Kosovo and just move on for the sake of it's starving citizens. If Serbia thinks that it would ever get into the E.U without recognising Kosovo is laughable. You will be vetoed at every stage and you will still be no closer to getting into the E.U as you are now. Europe is changing and so is the world and the faster the Serbs realise the better..!

The Only problem is that, most of the Serbs don't actually know what has the Serbian regime has done through the nineties.
How can they know when they just elected the exact same ones who did treat not only Kosovars but also other neighboring countries.
Serbia needs to learn a lot more about their real truth, to recover from media propaganda that had kept them eyes closed for decades.

How relevant is a statement of a man who is not relevant himself?

I totally agree Peggy, this guy was so irrelevant that he won a nobel prize once.

Since Ahtisari is for an independent Kosovo then everything he says must be the truth. We all know mr Nebel prize winner that you were paid a lot of money to advocate an independent Kosovo. However, there will be no long term stability unless there is a fair solution to the problems in Kosovo. So, you may huff and puff as much as you like but it won't change the reality on the ground. Serbs misstreated albanians and now albanians misstreat serbs. Why should one bad behaviour be punished but not the other? Mr Ahtisari, you just don't make any sense.

Why would anyone listen to fat, racist, finnish guy?

At least this so-called diplomat privately acknowledges that without Serbia’s recognition, the kosova* independence project is going nowhere.

I thought this guy was dead? No matter, I'm sure he will be soon.

He expressed hope that “the 100th country will soon recognize Kosovo,” stressing that 91 countries had recognized its independence.

Oh and, Hashish predicted that many automatic recognition's in 2008 and here we are 5 years on and now you are "hoping" as this clown says.

By all objective counts, this entire project has been a waste of time and money for all those involved. Not for the Albs obviously because they have nothing but time and no money, but for your sponsors who will withdraw because this is not yielding results and becoming unfeasible.

Ahtisaari once again exposes himself as a biased and hateful individual who wasn't fit to propose a peace plan between Serbians and Albanians. That is the reason his plan was trashed and why he is so bitter these days. So he got the Nobel "peace" prize, which as we know is awarded to war mongers these days. Just look at Obama as an example.

Regardless of how many recognitions "Kosova"* gets, we all know it won't get the ones that count. It has the failing West and all the little islands, poor and weak countries easily bribed and pressured. Nothing new here.

The only problem is that, most of the Serbs don't actually know what has the Serbian regime has done through the nineties. How can they know when they just elected the exact same ones who did treat not only Kosovars but also other neighboring countries. Serbia needs to learn a lot more about their real truth, to recover from media propaganda that had kept them eyes closed for decades.(burim, 29 July 2012 11:51)

It's always the same question -- what do they know; what do they want to know. we have all the facts -- yet somehow they always have their special set of "facts" that posits them as the eternal victims. even after the horrors they perpetrated in the 90s, they are still the eternal victims, and their media pushes the line, day in and day out. always sad...

roberto frisco

But Serbia was unable to treat the Albanians in northern Kosovo bad, because there are almost no Albanian. That is why Serbia could not "lose the right" to the north of Kosovo, is not it?

Well obviously you would say that, your wrote this project.

This guy once said Kosovo* does not have to be a member of the UN to be a real country because Switzerland only joined in 2002 and nobody said Switzerland was not a real country.

Yeah but, there's a bit of a difference between not wanting to join and being told no you cannot join, stay away........

Besides, to hell with the European Union. Its not going to survive in years to come and even if it does, it will only continue benefiting the same countries' it always has. Bulgaria and Romania the last two to join and Serbia's neighbors have seen more negatives than benefits since membership.

If anything this clown would be doing us a favor, if anyone cared what he had to say.

Somehow strange. I thought Ahtissari would be smart enough to see and to realize that his (good) plan of creating a multi-ethnic, democratic Kosovo has miserably failed. Maybe it's human nature not to admit your own failures, and instead to keep the illusions alive and to interpret the reality like it suits you?

Ahtisaari said: “Serbia should not be allowed to join the EU until it recognizes Kosovo. Serbia lost its rights in Kosovo a long time ago. It treated Kosovo citizens badly for years,”
This is true. Milosevic messed things up badly.
Also true is that the Albanian population treated the Serbs in Kosovo very badly, which is what triggered Milosevic' response of an "eye for eye".
So where we are now is a situation whereby both can't live with the other, ever.
Reconciliation is only possible in prose but in reality there will never be any. Ahtisaari is naive to think that the Serbs will simply leave Kosovo just because Milosevic had a serious mistake in judgement moment. (Well, there were other moments but let's focuss on this for now).
Gerard Gallucci has the right idea with his suggestion of how the Irish-English settlement may offer a model for how a Kosovo-Serbia deal might be made.
Nikolic and his deputies need to think long and hard what is in the best interest of the nation, not what they believe to be ideal.

There is a third option, albanians can join the EU as citizens of Albania in Albania proper and the others can join the EU as citizens of Serbia. Pity Macedonia.

Former UN Envoy for Kosovo Martti Ahtisaari has said that Serbia should not be allowed to join the EU until it recognizes Kosovo.

B92

Ahtisaari doesn't need introductions but I am still very surprised that Serbian politicians are pursuing the membership of a bankrupt entity.
If I were Nikolic I would tell Ahtisaari and the EU to shove the membership where the sun doesn't shine.

Martti Ahtisaari just speaks out what many officials in EU countries think and already even said. Serbia won't be allowed to join the EU because of the decision of individual countries. Nobody wants a 2nd Cyprus. Even the the thought that Serbia might be allowed to join without solving the Kosovo issue is hilarious. Serbian politicians constantly lie about that fact and try to uphold that illusion. If they would be really open they would explain that issue and make the decision: Abandon Kosovo and pursue EU or abandon EU and continue the (failed) Kosovo policy. Once and for all, you can't have both.

Serbia doesn't have to do anything but wait. German influence in Brussels will diminish from this freak peak period, the 'economy' in Pristina will implode and demand Tito stanard subsidies from Brussels, and the albanians will turn in themselves.

As long as Serbia does not say it doesn't want to join, for it must be left to Brussels to make that recignition explicit, Serbia will continue to harmonise to european standards and simply ignore the illegal demands and conditions that are not applied to othe states.

Belgrade will demand that the EU and NATO foreces respect the basic human rights of minorities in Kosovo. If Brussels insists on implementation and not empty words, then they will be equally held to implementing these standards such as the European Convention of Human Rights and the right of return, not complicity with Pristina to permenantly cleanse Kosovo of almost all non-albanians.

Ahtisaari served near the child of the seventh grade of elementary school ...!

Since Ahtisari is for an independent Kosovo then everything he says must be the truth. We all know mr Nebel prize winner that you were paid a lot of money to advocate an independent Kosovo.
(MikeC, 29 July 2012 11:47)

Obviously you need to pay more attention to the excellent economic and financial analysis of the CE of B92 forums sj and you'll come to understand that Kosovo and it's allies are broke and cannot pay a lot of money. Serbia, Russia and China are the real economic superpowers of the world and can pay all that money (it's another discussion about why they did not pay Ahtisaari - probably because they are too honest LOL).

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

who cares about the EU its failing and collapsing, its not going to last ....the end is near and the people are fed up.

I thought someone who is negotiating a deal between parties should himself be unpartial!
What a joke is this!
And Mr. Ahtisaari why Tibet must stay in China then? Double standards?

Serbia needs to learn a lot more about their real truth, to recover from media propaganda that had kept them eyes closed for decades.
(burim, 29 July 2012 11:51)
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You know most diaspora Serbs here watch Western media and are more patriotic than most Serbs in Serbia proper. Are you suggesting that the Western media have favoured the Serbs? LOL!! You are a funny fellow.

We have seen the propaganda, don't you worry about that. Serbs were demonised all around the world. We have seen our crimes, whether real or fabricated all over Western media. However, we have rarely seen crimes against us challenged. Like, the organ trafficking probe, which is being covered up. Recently a mass grave full of Serbs was scorched (not a squeak from anyone). Laptops with evidence of crimes against Serbs gone missing. The list goes on and on.

It's time to see the real evil in this world, the NATO death machine and those controlling it. Who are they? Too bad this US president wasn't around to fix it. Check -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces

I were Nikolic I would tell Ahtisaari and the EU to shove the membership where the sun doesn't shine.
(Leonidas, 29 July 2012 18:47)

You should tell that to the Serbs... they are asking to join the EU not viceversa. And since we are on topic, your fellow Greeks can probably do the same.... oops, pardon, they can't do it because they depend on EU's money to survive.
(icj1, 29 July 2012 23:39)


An on whose money do starving Albanians depend to survive?

The man might be irrelevant scum, but at least he speaks the truth, unlike most of Serbia's political class (except the DSS and LDP) who market the fantasy that EU membership is possible without capitulation on Serbia's territorial integrity. The "compromise" they will accept,and have been preparing you for, will be retaining a few square feet of Northern Kosovo. In fact, the only reason the EU is pushing Serbia to join is that it is their only card to play to force recognition and thus, they believe, start to mitigate the monumental disaster that Kosovo has become. It is for the Serbian people to decide if they wish for their southern province to be "harvested" like a kidney in the yellow house in exchange for the ever declining benefits of EU membership; but that is the choice, weather your politicians are willing to say so or not.

“Serbia should not be allowed to join the EU until it recognizes Kosovo. Serbia lost its rights in Kosovo a long time ago. It treated Kosovo citizens badly for years,” the Nobel peace prize winner told Zagreb-based daily Večernji list.
Did this guy go to school ?
Serbians were miss treated over centuries by croats, albanians and muslim bosnians.

If I were Nikolic I would tell Ahtisaari and the EU to shove the membership where the sun doesn't shine.
(Leonidas, 29 July 2012 18:47)

You should tell that to the Serbs... they are asking to join the EU not viceversa. And since we are on topic, your fellow Greeks can probably do the same.... oops, pardon, they can't do it because they depend on EU's money to survive.


You know most diaspora Serbs here watch Western media and are more patriotic than most Serbs in Serbia proper. Are you suggesting that the Western media have favoured the Serbs? LOL!!
(Zoran, 29 July 2012 22:59)

No, I think he/she is suggesting that Serb diaspora is out of touch whith what concerns Serbia the most. It's not the 2% of the electorate that lives in Kosovo but the 10000 children who eat only one meal per day http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=07&dd=21&nav_id=81391. Heroisms are nice for the pages of these forums, but not for real life, dear. In real life, people have to feed themselves and their families first!

You should tell that to the Serbs... they are asking to join the EU not viceversa. And since we are on topic, your fellow Greeks can probably do the same.... oops, pardon, they can't do it because they depend on EU's money to survive.
(icj1, 29 July 2012 23:39)

An on whose money do starving Albanians depend to survive?
(Leonidas, 30 July 2012 11:10)

That's their business not mine... But you are free to ask them if you are so curious. It may be an instructive lesson on survival for the Greeks :)

"Serbians were miss treated over centuries by croats, albanians and muslim bosnians"

such victim mentality. let us say it is true (it isn't but for the sake of my point i'll pretend it is), none of us were alive during those centuries, does that give you the right to murder croats, albanians and bosnians now?

An on whose money do starving Albanians depend to survive?
(Leonidas, 30 July 2012 11:10)

Amazing, look who's talking about getting money. How much was the latest gift to Greece? 100 billion euros? How many times has that happened so far? How many times before the crisis? For a nation of how many? Whatever the sum, nobody in the Balkans can even get close to 1% of that. So, it would be wise for you to shut up :). Greece was the only country in the world with 14, sometimes 15, months a year. 15 monthly payments a year, that's the life man. Has it changed now?

such victim mentality. let us say it is true (it isn't but for the sake of my point i'll pretend it is), none of us were alive during those centuries, does that give you the right to murder croats, albanians and bosnians now?
(Nikolle, 31 July 2012 11:17)
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It is not murder when you are defending yourself and your family.
What centuries are you talking about?
This happened during WW1 and WW2. It's not that long ago and it repeated again in the 90s. I think most of us were alive then.

oh wow... some albanian smarty brought up his nobel-prize to elevate the old cripple to some highter level of importance... =)

well, given that HE got this once in fact prestigious and renowned prize, it is rather something that shows that a lot can be done by political pressure and with suitcases of money...

after Ahtisaari and Obama getting this prize, for an intelligent and serious observer it has lost its prestige and credibility.

but, if it is still good for some Albanians to feel better about it, ...let them be happy! =)

I feel so sorry for Serbs, they wont be able to join the RICH and SUCCESSFUL, DEBT FREE EU, its also NO WHERE NEAR FAILING, I mean look at Greece, they are absolutely the most prosperous nation in the EU, don't have a single debt, they have a huge economy enough to challenge China's or lets look at Hungary, or even better Ireland, Spain is also pretty good, Italy not so bad either. If you want to show how successful nations are when they join the EU just look at Romania and Bulgaria, yes perfect examples they are now much richer and much more prosperous than before. In fact people are so happy to be in the EU that they are burning EU flags because they are celebrating, must be a strange Greek and Hungarian way of celebrating. EU is supported by the USA, and who would not want to join an organization supported by USA even though USA has just a tiny amount of debt (only 14 TRILLION DOLLARS and rising) and they are the most PEACEFUL NATION IN THE WORLD.

What is wrong with these Serbs, all they have to do is recognize the fully independent Kosovo which is self-sufficient and has a way stronger economy than theirs and should be the image of the perfect EU nation then they can join the prosperous EU but no they decide to join with Russia which may be an emerging economy (but cannot compete with Greece) and although they supported them all the way and are slavic orthodox brothers they will not be able to join with the EU who bombed their country, don't understand Serbs.