Russian FM reminds UN of its role in Kosovo

Where were Russians in 1999?

Jeremic should remain FM as he was the only one doing his job in the DS.

I am surprised that Lavrov or for that matter Jeremic, were not able to stop Ban ki Moon from laying flowers for 8000 victims in Srebrenica, which were massacred by Serbs.

I agree with Jeremic and Lavrov 100% on this. International law should be the basis for everything. Including 1244 and the ICJ opinion on the conformity of the Kosovo Ddeclaration of Independence with international law. Including also the agreements reached between Serbia and Kosovo, which must be fully implemented.

Lavrov,your statement that no one took the responsibility off the UN's shoulders is WRONG! Kosova took care of that problem of resposibilty on the UN's shoulders on Febuary 17 2008!!! Yep that's right, see 1244 may be active for some Serbs... But for the the citizens of the republic of Kosova, 1244 had a fatal heart attack & was buried along with any hope of Serb domination over Kosova ever again!!' Baby face Jeremic, you can go spend Serbia's budget with your meetings with your ancestral big brothers in Russia, makes no difference we can't prevent you from doing that. But know this,the present and future governments of Serbia will grow old & gray and they will not see,nor will they in their lifetimes witness the day when serbia will again be in control of the republic of Kosova! That much you can definatly count on....

Russian FM reminds UN of its role is it the same role when Russia took over Georgian territory militarily and financed equipped separatist and kicked out the UN. I can see so many similarity's the way Serbia and Russia criminally operate. Yes the UN will help lol with Vuk their it will become even more a laughing stock.

can you all remember how rather naive K-albanians were trying to be funny, when they wrote about Mr.Jeremić allegedly only wasting jet fuel?

well, if they are not totally dumb I think they will have realized that his diplomatic work has brought him where he is.

in the meantime, the k-albanian actress ( she doesn´t even look that bad, actually ) Mrs Jajaga , playing the role of a "stateswoman" couldn´t do anything else than trying to caress the albanian soul with a staged scenario where poor Mr.Ban had to smile into the cameras while some photos of a stupid terrorist were shown as a "sign" of "statehood"...

and since they have nothing to answer on that, all of a sudden they are babbling about "status neutral"... =)

you try to spin it the way it suits you, but if you are not totally stupid you will know that what you are writing here it is only wishful-thinking...

The Albanians are waisting all their chanses,
and the UN is only Usefull Idiots in this case.

This problem will only be solved by War.

The Albanians only want freedom for themselves and not for the Serbians.

If the Albanians would have been serious,
they would have parted Kosovo themselves,
in a Serbian and Albanian part,
and this issue had been over.

Now they want also Serbian Land and Ground and will take the whole of Kosovo.

When Judgement day come,
they will therefore loose all of Kosovo,
as according to their own Judgement,
and even Albania itself interviening in Kosovo,
will be crippled.

You will see this and the Albanians also.

Arn.Sweden.

"Russian FM reminds UN of its role is it the same role when Russia took over Georgian territory militarily and financed equipped separatist and kicked out the UN. "
(Lenard, 26 July 2012 19:02)

Indeed, Russia's stand regarding Kosovo separatists would look much more credible if they wouldn't have recognized the unilaterally split-off of the territory of South Ossetia.

The absurdity of why Kosova should not be independent as a nation can be found with the recent developments in Montenegro. The real question the Serbian politicians need to ask themselves and more importantly to justify to the rest of the civilized world is, “how can a country such as Montenegro the size of 600,000 and claim to be of Slavic origin seek to separate themselves from their brethren and seek independence and achieve independence”? Yet, a country the size of two million plus where the population is indigenous to the area and have no lineage to Serbs are prevented from freedom of choice and basic human rights”?

The Serbian elite need to ask themselves, “why would a small country like Montenegro which supposedly shares the same ethnicity, religion, language, etc., want to break lineage and secede from a big part of themselves?” Perhaps, the reason is that they may not be what they seem to be and understand this to be a “true” fact.

Logically, and from a sociology principles, whereby societies try to keep their unique culture and entity, etc; societies resist assimilation to other groups unless forced do so.

The latter is the main reason why most Kosovars actually adopted Islam. Albanian Kosovars are actually the first Europeans to adapt to Christianity. From time to time the question arises, “why did the Albanian Kosovars convert to Islam, whereas the Greeks/Serbs did not”?

The answer is very simple to comprehend!

"well, if they are not totally dumb I think they will have realized that his diplomatic work has brought him where he is."

-- Jovan, the only reason he made it there is cuz he's a Russian stooge. Who knows, maybe an agent for their secret services as well. The big fish try not to step on each other's toes too much. Russia has its stooge in Jeremic, the US and West have their stooge in Ban Ki Moon.

This is not about some special, extraordinary work and intelligence. This is about who can brown-nose and bend over the most. Having stooges in these positions means they can be easily controlled and blackmailed. This way the puppets of the security council don't do anything stupid that would embarrass their sponsors.
If anything, from an Albanian perspective, out of everyone in the Serb politics it is precisely Tadic who worked more for Kosova than any other Serb politicians. Jeremic, Nikolic, Dacic, Kostunica are all attention starved. They will do anything just to get some attention. They seem to be the type of people who rush into things, do things out of their gut feelings ratherthan logic, and get ecstatic over unimportant things. Each of them wants to appear the biggest Serb patriot and hero. Tadic on the other hand, worked behind the scene. He's the calm and calculating type, who you have to be careful as he's thinking two moves ahead of others. You're still too blind with nationalism to see this. Its better for us Albanians though. Please keep electing Nikolic and Dacic.

Jeremic should remain FM as he was the only one doing his job in the DS.
(Zoran, 26 July 2012 14:35)
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Agree. I have always stated that Jermic was in the wrong party and he should switch.

Arn, if there's one thing that characterizes the Serb nation, it's the selective memory its citizens have. It was the Serbs during the negotiations that refused everything that didn't have the word autonomy in it, even partition. They even went ahead and cooked up a constitution in the middle of negotiations making it illegal for any Serb to even entertain the idea of partition. You set the trap and fell on your own trap. Now that you can't partition Kosova but want to, as always you blame it on Albanians and outsiders. Partition was a doable deal up to the time Ahtisari submitted his document to the UN; all you needed to do is whisper the word. Partition is why Djindjic was killed. He advocated partition as a fair solution and you guys killed him. Look in your own turf sometimes before trying to blame others.

j- No offence but the alb contribution to the world is....well, you know what I am going to say.

johny- you make some good points there.

To - (johny, 27 July 2012 00:55) - belowe !.

I was not writing about the Serbs but the Albanians.
The Albanians are in Power and the Boll is in their Corner,
it is They who has to act because nobody else can.

One can not blame Oneselves faults on others,
if One has a demand to be recognised as free and independent,
One should give that to others when One are in Power and can.

The Albanians are behaving as Hypocrits.

Arn.Sweden.

Jeremic should remain FM as he was the only one doing his job in the DS.
(Zoran, 26 July 2012 14:35)

I agree, without Jeremic, Kosova would have only about 50 recognitions, but thanks to little Vuk, Kovova has nearly 100 recognitions and growing.

And the very next day we see the size of UNMIK has increased to 32 million people. When Russia says jump....

I agree with Jeremic and Lavrov 100% on this. International law should be the basis for everything. Including 1244 and the ICJ opinion on the conformity of the Kosovo Ddeclaration of Independence with international law.
(Reader, 26 July 2012 19:51)

Are you playing dump just like icj1, or are you icj1? UDI doesn't make Kosovo a state. UDI is just a declaration.

Are you playing dump just like icj1, or are you icj1? UDI doesn't make Kosovo a state. UDI is just a declaration.
(aaayyy, 27 July 2012 18:34)

are you saing that Serbia is not a state because its UDI in the 19th century did not make it a state - it was just a declaration ? I have no objection to that :)

"Are you playing dump just like icj1, or are you icj1? UDI doesn't make Kosovo a state. UDI is just a declaration."
(aaayyy, 27 July 2012 18:34)

for what it's worth, it was not UDI. That is a term somebody in Serbian media or government or wherever invented. It was not Unilateral, it was coordinated with many countries, it was multilateral, including the UN itself represented by Russian-approved, Chinese-approved, Nobel Peace prize awarded, Ahtisaari, who actually suggested it. Because it was multilateral, recognitions poured in immediately, unlike say South Ossetia. Serbian government did not agree, but really, what can one expect with "over my dead body" type of politics? True, Jeremic said that, and that was much later than February 17 2008, but Kostunica at the time was acting "over my dead body and your burned embassies" so that's pretty much the same.

Can you really tell me what international law has been broken so far? Can you point to the law number, date of approval etc etc? Can you point me to some serious international court that said "yes, international law was broken by such and such event or series of events". 1244 was gutted inside out, to arrive to the conclusion that no, it was not broken. Go read all the arguments and interpretations at the ICJ. Serbia's is 300 pages or more. Kosovo's is less. Slovenia's was incredible. Great Britain's was hilarious. Have you read them, they are online for everybody to see. 30 countries participated, conclusion: nothing was broken, because there is nothing to break.

Or maybe Kumanovo agreements? Any treaties Serbia signed with any other country? It really falls on you to show that. Hopefully, the new FM of Serbia will go back to ICJ and ask "Admitting that Kosovo is a state, does Kosovo's existence as a state separated from Serbia violate international law? Otherwise, if Kosovo is not a state, does its existence as whatever it is (dear court the job of defining what it is falls on you) violate international law?". That would be a great question to ask :). ICJ is there wise guy, go and ask.

Arn we cant at this point suggest partition.

1. Because the West will not allow it, and we are where we are largely because of the west.
2. We cant offer partition now knowing beforehand that the Serbian side by its highest law, the constitution, has to refuse it. As long as thats there in the current form it would be suicidal to offer the Serbs something their own constitution prohibits, something that by law they cannot accept.
3. Being totally realistic we are not in charge of everything. Kosova cannot make unilateral decisions that are damaging to the West. We are ok with it though, since our ambition is to emulate western societies so we will need their guidance forquite a while.

"He pointed out he had met Lavrov officially 20 times and thanked for the support, adding that he had learned a lot professionally from Russia's foreign minister"

aha, now we see whom Albanians in Kosovo should really thank for Vuk's contribution towards the increasing international recognition of Kosovo...

Jeremic should remain FM as he was the only one doing his job in the DS.

Lavrov,your statement that no one took the responsibility off the UN's shoulders is WRONG! Kosova took care of that problem of resposibilty on the UN's shoulders on Febuary 17 2008!!! Yep that's right, see 1244 may be active for some Serbs... But for the the citizens of the republic of Kosova, 1244 had a fatal heart attack & was buried along with any hope of Serb domination over Kosova ever again!!' Baby face Jeremic, you can go spend Serbia's budget with your meetings with your ancestral big brothers in Russia, makes no difference we can't prevent you from doing that. But know this,the present and future governments of Serbia will grow old & gray and they will not see,nor will they in their lifetimes witness the day when serbia will again be in control of the republic of Kosova! That much you can definatly count on....

I am surprised that Lavrov or for that matter Jeremic, were not able to stop Ban ki Moon from laying flowers for 8000 victims in Srebrenica, which were massacred by Serbs.

Russian FM reminds UN of its role is it the same role when Russia took over Georgian territory militarily and financed equipped separatist and kicked out the UN. I can see so many similarity's the way Serbia and Russia criminally operate. Yes the UN will help lol with Vuk their it will become even more a laughing stock.

The absurdity of why Kosova should not be independent as a nation can be found with the recent developments in Montenegro. The real question the Serbian politicians need to ask themselves and more importantly to justify to the rest of the civilized world is, “how can a country such as Montenegro the size of 600,000 and claim to be of Slavic origin seek to separate themselves from their brethren and seek independence and achieve independence”? Yet, a country the size of two million plus where the population is indigenous to the area and have no lineage to Serbs are prevented from freedom of choice and basic human rights”?

The Serbian elite need to ask themselves, “why would a small country like Montenegro which supposedly shares the same ethnicity, religion, language, etc., want to break lineage and secede from a big part of themselves?” Perhaps, the reason is that they may not be what they seem to be and understand this to be a “true” fact.

Logically, and from a sociology principles, whereby societies try to keep their unique culture and entity, etc; societies resist assimilation to other groups unless forced do so.

The latter is the main reason why most Kosovars actually adopted Islam. Albanian Kosovars are actually the first Europeans to adapt to Christianity. From time to time the question arises, “why did the Albanian Kosovars convert to Islam, whereas the Greeks/Serbs did not”?

The answer is very simple to comprehend!

can you all remember how rather naive K-albanians were trying to be funny, when they wrote about Mr.Jeremić allegedly only wasting jet fuel?

well, if they are not totally dumb I think they will have realized that his diplomatic work has brought him where he is.

in the meantime, the k-albanian actress ( she doesn´t even look that bad, actually ) Mrs Jajaga , playing the role of a "stateswoman" couldn´t do anything else than trying to caress the albanian soul with a staged scenario where poor Mr.Ban had to smile into the cameras while some photos of a stupid terrorist were shown as a "sign" of "statehood"...

and since they have nothing to answer on that, all of a sudden they are babbling about "status neutral"... =)

you try to spin it the way it suits you, but if you are not totally stupid you will know that what you are writing here it is only wishful-thinking...

Where were Russians in 1999?

The Albanians are waisting all their chanses,
and the UN is only Usefull Idiots in this case.

This problem will only be solved by War.

The Albanians only want freedom for themselves and not for the Serbians.

If the Albanians would have been serious,
they would have parted Kosovo themselves,
in a Serbian and Albanian part,
and this issue had been over.

Now they want also Serbian Land and Ground and will take the whole of Kosovo.

When Judgement day come,
they will therefore loose all of Kosovo,
as according to their own Judgement,
and even Albania itself interviening in Kosovo,
will be crippled.

You will see this and the Albanians also.

Arn.Sweden.

Arn, if there's one thing that characterizes the Serb nation, it's the selective memory its citizens have. It was the Serbs during the negotiations that refused everything that didn't have the word autonomy in it, even partition. They even went ahead and cooked up a constitution in the middle of negotiations making it illegal for any Serb to even entertain the idea of partition. You set the trap and fell on your own trap. Now that you can't partition Kosova but want to, as always you blame it on Albanians and outsiders. Partition was a doable deal up to the time Ahtisari submitted his document to the UN; all you needed to do is whisper the word. Partition is why Djindjic was killed. He advocated partition as a fair solution and you guys killed him. Look in your own turf sometimes before trying to blame others.

I agree with Jeremic and Lavrov 100% on this. International law should be the basis for everything. Including 1244 and the ICJ opinion on the conformity of the Kosovo Ddeclaration of Independence with international law. Including also the agreements reached between Serbia and Kosovo, which must be fully implemented.

"well, if they are not totally dumb I think they will have realized that his diplomatic work has brought him where he is."

-- Jovan, the only reason he made it there is cuz he's a Russian stooge. Who knows, maybe an agent for their secret services as well. The big fish try not to step on each other's toes too much. Russia has its stooge in Jeremic, the US and West have their stooge in Ban Ki Moon.

This is not about some special, extraordinary work and intelligence. This is about who can brown-nose and bend over the most. Having stooges in these positions means they can be easily controlled and blackmailed. This way the puppets of the security council don't do anything stupid that would embarrass their sponsors.
If anything, from an Albanian perspective, out of everyone in the Serb politics it is precisely Tadic who worked more for Kosova than any other Serb politicians. Jeremic, Nikolic, Dacic, Kostunica are all attention starved. They will do anything just to get some attention. They seem to be the type of people who rush into things, do things out of their gut feelings ratherthan logic, and get ecstatic over unimportant things. Each of them wants to appear the biggest Serb patriot and hero. Tadic on the other hand, worked behind the scene. He's the calm and calculating type, who you have to be careful as he's thinking two moves ahead of others. You're still too blind with nationalism to see this. Its better for us Albanians though. Please keep electing Nikolic and Dacic.

"Russian FM reminds UN of its role is it the same role when Russia took over Georgian territory militarily and financed equipped separatist and kicked out the UN. "
(Lenard, 26 July 2012 19:02)

Indeed, Russia's stand regarding Kosovo separatists would look much more credible if they wouldn't have recognized the unilaterally split-off of the territory of South Ossetia.

j- No offence but the alb contribution to the world is....well, you know what I am going to say.

Jeremic should remain FM as he was the only one doing his job in the DS.
(Zoran, 26 July 2012 14:35)
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Agree. I have always stated that Jermic was in the wrong party and he should switch.

Jeremic should remain FM as he was the only one doing his job in the DS.
(Zoran, 26 July 2012 14:35)

I agree, without Jeremic, Kosova would have only about 50 recognitions, but thanks to little Vuk, Kovova has nearly 100 recognitions and growing.

johny- you make some good points there.

To - (johny, 27 July 2012 00:55) - belowe !.

I was not writing about the Serbs but the Albanians.
The Albanians are in Power and the Boll is in their Corner,
it is They who has to act because nobody else can.

One can not blame Oneselves faults on others,
if One has a demand to be recognised as free and independent,
One should give that to others when One are in Power and can.

The Albanians are behaving as Hypocrits.

Arn.Sweden.

I agree with Jeremic and Lavrov 100% on this. International law should be the basis for everything. Including 1244 and the ICJ opinion on the conformity of the Kosovo Ddeclaration of Independence with international law.
(Reader, 26 July 2012 19:51)

Are you playing dump just like icj1, or are you icj1? UDI doesn't make Kosovo a state. UDI is just a declaration.

Arn we cant at this point suggest partition.

1. Because the West will not allow it, and we are where we are largely because of the west.
2. We cant offer partition now knowing beforehand that the Serbian side by its highest law, the constitution, has to refuse it. As long as thats there in the current form it would be suicidal to offer the Serbs something their own constitution prohibits, something that by law they cannot accept.
3. Being totally realistic we are not in charge of everything. Kosova cannot make unilateral decisions that are damaging to the West. We are ok with it though, since our ambition is to emulate western societies so we will need their guidance forquite a while.

"He pointed out he had met Lavrov officially 20 times and thanked for the support, adding that he had learned a lot professionally from Russia's foreign minister"

aha, now we see whom Albanians in Kosovo should really thank for Vuk's contribution towards the increasing international recognition of Kosovo...

And the very next day we see the size of UNMIK has increased to 32 million people. When Russia says jump....

Are you playing dump just like icj1, or are you icj1? UDI doesn't make Kosovo a state. UDI is just a declaration.
(aaayyy, 27 July 2012 18:34)

are you saing that Serbia is not a state because its UDI in the 19th century did not make it a state - it was just a declaration ? I have no objection to that :)

"Are you playing dump just like icj1, or are you icj1? UDI doesn't make Kosovo a state. UDI is just a declaration."
(aaayyy, 27 July 2012 18:34)

for what it's worth, it was not UDI. That is a term somebody in Serbian media or government or wherever invented. It was not Unilateral, it was coordinated with many countries, it was multilateral, including the UN itself represented by Russian-approved, Chinese-approved, Nobel Peace prize awarded, Ahtisaari, who actually suggested it. Because it was multilateral, recognitions poured in immediately, unlike say South Ossetia. Serbian government did not agree, but really, what can one expect with "over my dead body" type of politics? True, Jeremic said that, and that was much later than February 17 2008, but Kostunica at the time was acting "over my dead body and your burned embassies" so that's pretty much the same.

Can you really tell me what international law has been broken so far? Can you point to the law number, date of approval etc etc? Can you point me to some serious international court that said "yes, international law was broken by such and such event or series of events". 1244 was gutted inside out, to arrive to the conclusion that no, it was not broken. Go read all the arguments and interpretations at the ICJ. Serbia's is 300 pages or more. Kosovo's is less. Slovenia's was incredible. Great Britain's was hilarious. Have you read them, they are online for everybody to see. 30 countries participated, conclusion: nothing was broken, because there is nothing to break.

Or maybe Kumanovo agreements? Any treaties Serbia signed with any other country? It really falls on you to show that. Hopefully, the new FM of Serbia will go back to ICJ and ask "Admitting that Kosovo is a state, does Kosovo's existence as a state separated from Serbia violate international law? Otherwise, if Kosovo is not a state, does its existence as whatever it is (dear court the job of defining what it is falls on you) violate international law?". That would be a great question to ask :). ICJ is there wise guy, go and ask.