"We thwarted Democrats' disastrous policy"

It is true, this is one of the most consistent parties and one that hasn't sold out. It has fought to preserve Serbia's integrity. The DS, on the other hand, has been a complete failure and caused severe damage.

Unfortunately, too many blind Serbs will waste their vote on the DS as they have this illusion of a "modern and progressive" party. LOL!! The fact is, it's a destructive, corrupt and spineless party, which it has demonstrated over the past four years.

I don't hold much for this next government either. Placing too much emphasis on a sinking ship should put the DSS in a stronger position come next elections. Once everyone has had their turn, people will reflect back and realise that Serbia was at its strongest position, both politically and economically, when Kostunica was leading the country.

Amazing! And at the same time, he's talking about 'national unity' and 'political consensus' and similar stuff. Looks to me like DSS is more or less isolated with its 'policial neutrality(read: Anti-EU) ideas.
(Comm. Parrisson, 26 July 2012 09:37)
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Read again, the DS caused the damage, not the DSS. People were sold this false illusion of the EU saving Serbia when the EU cannot even save itself. This is what brought Serbia to its knees, not the policies of the DSS.

Neutrality is not necessarily anti-EU. There is an anti-EU aspect when it comes to KiM but a pro-EU aspect when it comes to trade. Also neutrality includes pro-Russian, pro-Chinese, pro-Indian, etc... Again, the DS put all of its eggs in one basket and it seems someone dropped it!

Self congratulatory speeches and mutual backslapping by DSS aside, most of this is untrue and more importantly irrelevant.

First DS lost because people were tired of that party, but also because SNS moderated enough to make itself electable - it had nothing whatever to do with DSS, which has become a fringe party.

But above all this fool doesn't want to talk about the fact that the current government elect will be just as bad on the EU and Kosovo issues, or worse. The top priority of SNS is to join the EU, they moved heaven and earth to try to employ a top DS official as Foreign Minister - Vucic and Nikolic have symbolically been spending a lot of time in western capitals and meeting their officials.

So although the country is going in exactly the same direction Kostunica appears to think his party is more important than the national interests he claims to hold so dear.

Kostunica is very much a part of the problem in Serbian politics - he only pays lip service to certain issues when it suits him and his party is more important than telling the truth.

In a democratic party Kostunica would have by now at least faced a leadership contest after a number of disastrous election results, but his party is more akin to an old fashioned Communist one, where the leader rules for life. Perhaps the party should be renamed the Undemocratic Party of Serbia? The name is taken by their former allies though.

Kotsunica is the best Serbian Politician to this day.

According to him, the key reason the DSS was not asked to take part in the talks on the forming of the new government is the fact that it advocates Serbia’s political and military neutrality.

Comments -

Serbia will be Political and Militarily Neutral.

Arn.Sweden.

"According to him, the key reason the DSS was not asked to take part in the talks on the forming of the new government is the fact that it advocates Serbia’s political and military neutrality."

Amazing! And at the same time, he's talking about 'national unity' and 'political consensus' and similar stuff. Looks to me like DSS is more or less isolated with its 'policial neutrality(read: Anti-EU) ideas.

Anyway, we are placed, as Sv. Sava has mentioned, in the clash of currents or at the fault line of east and west. It is summed up nicely here :
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At first we were confused. The East thought that we were West, while the West considered us to be East. Some of us misunderstood our place in the clash of currents, so they cried that we belong to neither side, and others that we belong exclusively to one side or the other. But I tell you, Ireneus, we are doomed by fate to be the East in the West and the West in the East, to acknowledge only heavenly Jerusalem beyond us, and here on earth—no one

—St. Sava to Ireneus, 13th century
(Zoran, 26 July 2012 14:32)
C'mon Zoran. You know this is BS. This the same BS story you hear in every Balkan country. We give ourselves importance by claiming to be in this strategic place and that's why we can't succeed and everyone tries to destroy us. This is lying to ourselves. We are not in a strategic place. We simply haven't evolved enough to tolerate each other and that is why WE fight each other. That is the simple truth. These other things are how we try to soothe our consciousness and convince ourselves that its not our fault but its the fault of outsiders because we're so important they need to destroy us. BS. The fact that we're all here after so many attempts and are never destroyed shows that nobody gives so much sh..t to want to destroy us.

"We give ourselves importance by claiming to be in this strategic place and that's why we can't succeed and everyone tries to destroy us. This is lying to ourselves. We are not in a strategic place. We simply haven't evolved enough to tolerate each other and that is why WE fight each other. That is the simple truth. These other things are how we try to soothe our consciousness and convince ourselves that its not our fault but its the fault of outsiders because we're so important they need to destroy us. BS. The fact that we're all here after so many attempts and are never destroyed shows that nobody gives so much sh..t to want to destroy us."
(j, 27 July 2012 05:30)

Wise words, applause, I couldn't have said it any better!
I only wonder where this idea of 'importance' is coming from? Ex-YU all together was a medium size country with some 23 Mio population, a bit bigger than Romania, a lot smaller than Poland. Strange that nobody wanted to 'destroy' or 'disintegrate' these states because they are too 'big', 'important' and 'influential'.

The 'strategic place' is being located in Europe, and only that's why the European countries didn't tolerate a war in their vicinity, with 100.000s of refugees flooding whole Europe. Imagine YU would have been in Africa, does anybody think Europe/NATO would have cared much about the war, slaughtering and ethnic cleansing and intervened?

"It is true, this is one of the most consistent parties and one that hasn't sold out. It has fought to preserve Serbia's integrity. The DS, on the other hand, has been a complete failure and caused severe damage. "
(Zoran, 26 July 2012 10:14)

DSS is consistent with its nostalgic and nationalistic views which would isolate Serbia in Europe?

It was the people who put an end to the previous government not you Voja. What else will this man try and claim credit for? If the drought breaks in Vojvodina, he will probably claim credit for that too.

Voja is a bit like the attention seeker down at the back of the class that everyone finds irritating, "Hey look at me, I'm still here".

Serbia will be Political and Militarily Neutral.

Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 26 July 2012 13:07)
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Arn, Serbia *is* politically and militarily neutral as was agreed upon by most parties and written in the constitution. The fact that some people are attempting to change that reality is what is splitting Serbia. Leaning too far to the East is what destroyed Milosevic and leaning to far to the West is what destroyed Tadic.

The leader that finds the correct balance is one that can bring us out of the ashes, and in fact Kostunica was doing a good job. That's why our economy was growing, our confidence was growing and our sovereignty was intact.

Anyway, we are placed, as Sv. Sava has mentioned, in the clash of currents or at the fault line of east and west. It is summed up nicely here :
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At first we were confused. The East thought that we were West, while the West considered us to be East. Some of us misunderstood our place in the clash of currents, so they cried that we belong to neither side, and others that we belong exclusively to one side or the other. But I tell you, Ireneus, we are doomed by fate to be the East in the West and the West in the East, to acknowledge only heavenly Jerusalem beyond us, and here on earth—no one

—St. Sava to Ireneus, 13th century
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When will Kostunica's thick skull realize that today you need international partners to make it in this world. It's brilliant, commendable that the serbs have everything from their own cross design (so they think), to their own way of writing and even doing paperwork like getting your ID card made (see inefficient, bureaucratic) ...

but this isn't the midevil ages, and this serb only and f*** the rest of the world attitude, just love russia because god this god that doesn't work...

Kostunica did not do much I think. Dveri did far more. They provide a much more better framework and alternative to the EU, while kostunica simply says one sentence and offer little support beyond that. :P

The 'strategic place' is being located in Europe, and only that's why the European countries didn't tolerate a war in their vicinity, with 100.000s of refugees flooding whole Europe. Imagine YU would have been in Africa, does anybody think Europe/NATO would have cared much about the war, slaughtering and ethnic cleansing and intervened? (Comm. Parrisson, 27 July 2012 11:26)

Indeed. Just look at Rwanda. The reason the west intervenes and stops our madness is because we are in Europe. Western civilization cant be preached as way of achieving a more advanced way of life if you allow a bunch of Neanderthal to slaughter each other in your own backyard. These BS stories about Western or Eastern envy is silliness at its best and malicious justifications at its worst. If Serbia is in a strategic place, if Albania is in one, if Greece is in one, if Croatia is in one, if Bosnia is in one, if Macedonia is in one then none of them are really in a strategic place.

The fact that we're all here after so many attempts and are never destroyed shows that nobody gives so much sh..t to want to destroy us.
(j, 27 July 2012 05:30)
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You obviously missed some history classes.

Memory is short, isn't it? So, here's an refreshment: Key EU powers like Germany did very actively push for the recognition of Croatia, Slovenia etc, aka. the break-up of Yugoslavia. And strangely enough it's excactly those two who have joined their German "patron" in the EU. Slovenija have even chained its economy to the toxic Euro. Coinsidence? I think not. Even the most resent events have proven the EU's power-game is still going on in the Balkans. So, Balkans evidently still matters in geopolitics.

Neither Romania nor Poland did establish any alternative to western hagemony. They both did run to Brussels as fast as they could, as soon as they got the chanse. Belgrade however did establish an alternative. The Yugoslavs was the ones who initiated the NAM ("Non-allance movement"). So, while Romania and Poland was merely puppets to be played with by others, Yugoslavia was a genuine player itself on the international stage. And obvoiusly one westerners wanted to get rid of.

When will Kostunica's thick skull realize that today you need international partners to make it in this world. It's brilliant, commendable that the serbs have everything from their own cross design (so they think), to their own way of writing and even doing paperwork like getting your ID card made (see inefficient, bureaucratic) ...

but this isn't the midevil ages, and this serb only and f*** the rest of the world attitude, just love russia because god this god that doesn't work...

"According to him, the key reason the DSS was not asked to take part in the talks on the forming of the new government is the fact that it advocates Serbia’s political and military neutrality."

Amazing! And at the same time, he's talking about 'national unity' and 'political consensus' and similar stuff. Looks to me like DSS is more or less isolated with its 'policial neutrality(read: Anti-EU) ideas.

"It is true, this is one of the most consistent parties and one that hasn't sold out. It has fought to preserve Serbia's integrity. The DS, on the other hand, has been a complete failure and caused severe damage. "
(Zoran, 26 July 2012 10:14)

DSS is consistent with its nostalgic and nationalistic views which would isolate Serbia in Europe?

Self congratulatory speeches and mutual backslapping by DSS aside, most of this is untrue and more importantly irrelevant.

First DS lost because people were tired of that party, but also because SNS moderated enough to make itself electable - it had nothing whatever to do with DSS, which has become a fringe party.

But above all this fool doesn't want to talk about the fact that the current government elect will be just as bad on the EU and Kosovo issues, or worse. The top priority of SNS is to join the EU, they moved heaven and earth to try to employ a top DS official as Foreign Minister - Vucic and Nikolic have symbolically been spending a lot of time in western capitals and meeting their officials.

So although the country is going in exactly the same direction Kostunica appears to think his party is more important than the national interests he claims to hold so dear.

Kostunica is very much a part of the problem in Serbian politics - he only pays lip service to certain issues when it suits him and his party is more important than telling the truth.

In a democratic party Kostunica would have by now at least faced a leadership contest after a number of disastrous election results, but his party is more akin to an old fashioned Communist one, where the leader rules for life. Perhaps the party should be renamed the Undemocratic Party of Serbia? The name is taken by their former allies though.

It was the people who put an end to the previous government not you Voja. What else will this man try and claim credit for? If the drought breaks in Vojvodina, he will probably claim credit for that too.

Voja is a bit like the attention seeker down at the back of the class that everyone finds irritating, "Hey look at me, I'm still here".

It is true, this is one of the most consistent parties and one that hasn't sold out. It has fought to preserve Serbia's integrity. The DS, on the other hand, has been a complete failure and caused severe damage.

Unfortunately, too many blind Serbs will waste their vote on the DS as they have this illusion of a "modern and progressive" party. LOL!! The fact is, it's a destructive, corrupt and spineless party, which it has demonstrated over the past four years.

I don't hold much for this next government either. Placing too much emphasis on a sinking ship should put the DSS in a stronger position come next elections. Once everyone has had their turn, people will reflect back and realise that Serbia was at its strongest position, both politically and economically, when Kostunica was leading the country.

Amazing! And at the same time, he's talking about 'national unity' and 'political consensus' and similar stuff. Looks to me like DSS is more or less isolated with its 'policial neutrality(read: Anti-EU) ideas.
(Comm. Parrisson, 26 July 2012 09:37)
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Read again, the DS caused the damage, not the DSS. People were sold this false illusion of the EU saving Serbia when the EU cannot even save itself. This is what brought Serbia to its knees, not the policies of the DSS.

Neutrality is not necessarily anti-EU. There is an anti-EU aspect when it comes to KiM but a pro-EU aspect when it comes to trade. Also neutrality includes pro-Russian, pro-Chinese, pro-Indian, etc... Again, the DS put all of its eggs in one basket and it seems someone dropped it!

Kostunica did not do much I think. Dveri did far more. They provide a much more better framework and alternative to the EU, while kostunica simply says one sentence and offer little support beyond that. :P

Anyway, we are placed, as Sv. Sava has mentioned, in the clash of currents or at the fault line of east and west. It is summed up nicely here :
---…--
At first we were confused. The East thought that we were West, while the West considered us to be East. Some of us misunderstood our place in the clash of currents, so they cried that we belong to neither side, and others that we belong exclusively to one side or the other. But I tell you, Ireneus, we are doomed by fate to be the East in the West and the West in the East, to acknowledge only heavenly Jerusalem beyond us, and here on earth—no one

—St. Sava to Ireneus, 13th century
(Zoran, 26 July 2012 14:32)
C'mon Zoran. You know this is BS. This the same BS story you hear in every Balkan country. We give ourselves importance by claiming to be in this strategic place and that's why we can't succeed and everyone tries to destroy us. This is lying to ourselves. We are not in a strategic place. We simply haven't evolved enough to tolerate each other and that is why WE fight each other. That is the simple truth. These other things are how we try to soothe our consciousness and convince ourselves that its not our fault but its the fault of outsiders because we're so important they need to destroy us. BS. The fact that we're all here after so many attempts and are never destroyed shows that nobody gives so much sh..t to want to destroy us.

Kotsunica is the best Serbian Politician to this day.

According to him, the key reason the DSS was not asked to take part in the talks on the forming of the new government is the fact that it advocates Serbia’s political and military neutrality.

Comments -

Serbia will be Political and Militarily Neutral.

Arn.Sweden.

Serbia will be Political and Militarily Neutral.

Arn.Sweden.
(Arn.Sweden., 26 July 2012 13:07)
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Arn, Serbia *is* politically and militarily neutral as was agreed upon by most parties and written in the constitution. The fact that some people are attempting to change that reality is what is splitting Serbia. Leaning too far to the East is what destroyed Milosevic and leaning to far to the West is what destroyed Tadic.

The leader that finds the correct balance is one that can bring us out of the ashes, and in fact Kostunica was doing a good job. That's why our economy was growing, our confidence was growing and our sovereignty was intact.

Anyway, we are placed, as Sv. Sava has mentioned, in the clash of currents or at the fault line of east and west. It is summed up nicely here :
------------------
At first we were confused. The East thought that we were West, while the West considered us to be East. Some of us misunderstood our place in the clash of currents, so they cried that we belong to neither side, and others that we belong exclusively to one side or the other. But I tell you, Ireneus, we are doomed by fate to be the East in the West and the West in the East, to acknowledge only heavenly Jerusalem beyond us, and here on earth—no one

—St. Sava to Ireneus, 13th century
-----------------

"We give ourselves importance by claiming to be in this strategic place and that's why we can't succeed and everyone tries to destroy us. This is lying to ourselves. We are not in a strategic place. We simply haven't evolved enough to tolerate each other and that is why WE fight each other. That is the simple truth. These other things are how we try to soothe our consciousness and convince ourselves that its not our fault but its the fault of outsiders because we're so important they need to destroy us. BS. The fact that we're all here after so many attempts and are never destroyed shows that nobody gives so much sh..t to want to destroy us."
(j, 27 July 2012 05:30)

Wise words, applause, I couldn't have said it any better!
I only wonder where this idea of 'importance' is coming from? Ex-YU all together was a medium size country with some 23 Mio population, a bit bigger than Romania, a lot smaller than Poland. Strange that nobody wanted to 'destroy' or 'disintegrate' these states because they are too 'big', 'important' and 'influential'.

The 'strategic place' is being located in Europe, and only that's why the European countries didn't tolerate a war in their vicinity, with 100.000s of refugees flooding whole Europe. Imagine YU would have been in Africa, does anybody think Europe/NATO would have cared much about the war, slaughtering and ethnic cleansing and intervened?

The fact that we're all here after so many attempts and are never destroyed shows that nobody gives so much sh..t to want to destroy us.
(j, 27 July 2012 05:30)
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You obviously missed some history classes.

The 'strategic place' is being located in Europe, and only that's why the European countries didn't tolerate a war in their vicinity, with 100.000s of refugees flooding whole Europe. Imagine YU would have been in Africa, does anybody think Europe/NATO would have cared much about the war, slaughtering and ethnic cleansing and intervened? (Comm. Parrisson, 27 July 2012 11:26)

Indeed. Just look at Rwanda. The reason the west intervenes and stops our madness is because we are in Europe. Western civilization cant be preached as way of achieving a more advanced way of life if you allow a bunch of Neanderthal to slaughter each other in your own backyard. These BS stories about Western or Eastern envy is silliness at its best and malicious justifications at its worst. If Serbia is in a strategic place, if Albania is in one, if Greece is in one, if Croatia is in one, if Bosnia is in one, if Macedonia is in one then none of them are really in a strategic place.

Memory is short, isn't it? So, here's an refreshment: Key EU powers like Germany did very actively push for the recognition of Croatia, Slovenia etc, aka. the break-up of Yugoslavia. And strangely enough it's excactly those two who have joined their German "patron" in the EU. Slovenija have even chained its economy to the toxic Euro. Coinsidence? I think not. Even the most resent events have proven the EU's power-game is still going on in the Balkans. So, Balkans evidently still matters in geopolitics.

Neither Romania nor Poland did establish any alternative to western hagemony. They both did run to Brussels as fast as they could, as soon as they got the chanse. Belgrade however did establish an alternative. The Yugoslavs was the ones who initiated the NAM ("Non-allance movement"). So, while Romania and Poland was merely puppets to be played with by others, Yugoslavia was a genuine player itself on the international stage. And obvoiusly one westerners wanted to get rid of.