"Serbia seeks Kosovo dialogue with UN presence"

Welcome Ban! I am sure you will enjoy Serbian hospitality. I hope you find time to have some fun.

When Ban's office announced that he would also travel to Kosovo, Nikolić said that the UN chief "must state whether he's visiting UN members there or was traveling to a Kosovo that thinks it can be a separate state".

Ban already said in Croatia: "As you know, the status of Kosovo is governed by relevant Security Council resolution: resolution 1244." He can't be any clearer about the status of Kosovo I think.

About the goal of his visit in Kosovo, the following is known:

"Mr. Ban then goes to Kosovo, where he will visit the UN Interim Administration Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK). While there, he will meet with international and regional organizations and with Kosovo authorities. He will also visit the Visoki Decani monastery, a UNESCO World Heritage Site, as well as the city of Prizren."

(announcement from the official UN website) http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=42471&Cr=Ban+ki-moon&Cr1=travel


So:
1. visiting UNMIK
2. visiting international and regional organizations
3.visiting Kosovo authorities
4. visting the UNESCO world heritage, the Serbian monastery (which is on the UN red list of endangered cultural monuments because of uncertain status and tense security in Kosovo)
5. Visiting Prizren (maybe having a look at the monastery there which Albanian mob looted in 2004)

Nikolle- official estimates of deaths are 2000, of which a third are Serbs with only 10% of the population. Your lies will not stand. Horsehoe was a trumped up lie, as was the "genocide" in Kosovo.Everyone knows it except those like you who know the house of cards which is the Kosovo hoax is about to collapse. You really need to get out more.

Without reading all the chest pounding "we are independent" statements from the resident Albanian groupies here on B92, I just want to reiterate what Ban said: The secretary-general later told reporters that his visit to Kosovo would be taking place "in the wider context" of the tour, and "in line with UN Resolution 1244". That is good enough for me. As long as his visit is in line with Re. 1244, and that his opinions and views are of a "status neutral" Kosovo, he is welcomed to Serbia's Southern province. Just don't try any of that BS the US/EU/KFOR tries to pull, stating neutrality but, acting as Pristina's agents. KiM, Serbia's birth land, will always be Serbian, no attempt at border changes will change that. The Albanians know it, in fact all the peoples of the Balkans know that, but the West keeps insisting something different. Who do you think will be more diligent, Serbia or the West, in many years to come? Kosovo je Srbija, it's as simple as that, no matter how many Albanians have overrun it. Ask the Jews to give up Jerusalem, ask the Muslims to give up Mecca, ask the Albanian mafia to give up drug and prostitution rings, impossible. Do you get the picture?

Lets wait for the photo of Ban shaking hands with organ terrorist Thaci.

... official estimates of deaths are 2000, of which a third are Serbs with only 10% of the population...
@Willy
Don't forget to mention that those 10% serbs,used to control 100% of the power in Kosovo.Parliament members,all other jobs from the highest ones ot jenitors were from this 10%.The other 90% had 0% power and no jobs.

Roger-NATO has been looking for mass graves in Kosovo for 12 years. They have used all the tools at their disposal. Please tell me what they have found.
(Wally, 23 July 2012 16:51)

That is still not a source. That is called distraction.
You claim a number of victims and now it is up to you prove that number.
Your claim not mine.

Out of curiosity Comm. name me ONE thing that UNMIK can decide in Kosova today? you're using the language of lawyers not reality. as for your your dig about Prizren, I wonder if he is going to visit the mass graves of Albanians found in Belgrade whilst he is in the democratic-modern-we-have-moved-on-from-Sloba state of Serbia. now which is worse do you think, property damage or the lifeless bodies of 700 people? you really do write an awful lot of rubbish

Ban already said in Croatia: "As you know, the status of Kosovo is governed by relevant Security Council resolution: resolution 1244." He can't be any clearer about the status of Kosovo I think.
(Comm. Parrisson, 23 July 2012 10:38)

Actually, he could be clearer. He could say that "he is going to visit the Serbian province...etc." and not hide behind a resolution many interprete differently. That would be unquestionable.

Nikolle- official estimates of deaths are 2000, of which a third are Serbs with only 10% of the population. Your lies will not stand.
(Wally, 23 July 2012 12:27)

You seem to be "the only statistics you can trust are those you falsified yourself"-type. Why don't you post the source of your "official estimates"?

Roger-NATO has been looking for mass graves in Kosovo for 12 years. They have used all the tools at their disposal. Please tell me what they have found.

So they deserved to be cleansed? In the 80's. pre KLA, Albanians had rights better than any national minority in the world. Spoken by an Albanian professor at Pristina U. Own language taught in schools, own books, lots of money for infrastructure improvements (ask the Slovenes and Croats) etc. The Albanians had it pretty good until the KLA staring ambushing policemen to provoke a response.

Roger - civilian deaths.
(Wally, 23 July 2012 15:24)

That is not a source. If you are that sure provide us with a source that proves the numbers you claim.

Wonder what is Ban going to say to Jeremic?!

Roger- the truth is a distraction if you cant handle the truth. It was an approximate figure given by the OSCE. I am afraid I havent got the link handy. Tell me now, where are the graves. You claim these horrors occurred to justify stealing of territory, please inform the rest of us where they are. Ask Nato press dept if you dont believe me.

"In Ban's talks with Serbian officials, special emphasis is expected to be placed on Kosovo, where the UN secretary-general will visit the members of the UN mission and meet with officials of the government in Priština."

...and meet with officials of the GOVERNMENT in Priština ;)

I hope he will enjoy the hooligans who will be "working" the event to ensure he sees what Serbia is all about.

Out of curiosity Comm. name me ONE thing that UNMIK can decide in Kosova today? you're using the language of lawyers not reality.
(Nikolle, 23 July 2012 11:57)

Almost each country has regions where mafia rules and the state has no say. I am talking about Serbia and its region Kosovo.

ONE thing that UNMIK can decide in Kosova today? you're using the language of lawyers not reality. as for your your dig about Prizren, I wonder if he is going to visit the mass graves of Albanians found in Belgrade whilst he is in the democratic-modern-we-have-moved-on-from-Sloba state of Serbia. now which is worse do you think, property damage or the lifeless bodies of 700 people? you really do write an awful lot of rubbish
(Nikolle, 23 July 2012 11:57)

It who pulls the strings in the background that matters and not which clown in Pristina opens his mouth to tell the Albos they are free and it has always the lawyers that rule not the gun.

Your Albos killed by Slobo are buried with the Bosniaks in the North Pole and await to be found. Please send me a note when they find them. But in the meantime try Thaci because he murdered more of his own people than anyone else.

"as for your your dig about Prizren, I wonder if he is going to visit the mass graves of Albanians found in Belgrade whilst he is in the democratic-modern-we-have-moved-on-from-Sloba state of Serbia."
(Nikolle, 23 July 2012 11:57)

I didn't find that listed on the official website, but if it makes you happy, while being in Bosnia, Ban will visit Potocari and the graves of the 1000s of people killed and executed by Mladic's troops in Srebrenica.

roger-osce

Ban already said in Croatia: "As you know, the status of Kosovo is governed by relevant Security Council resolution: resolution 1244." He can't be any clearer about the status of Kosovo I think.
(Comm. Parrisson, 23 July 2012 10:38)
That is why he is good in his job. He makes a statement like that so that each individual interprets the way he wants and is happy. Notice since 2008 Ban has never referred to Kosovo as a province nor a state.
You read one meaning into the 1244 reference I interpret it as meaning that
"Facilitating a political process designed to determine Kosovo's future status, taking into account the Rambouillet accords (S/1999/648);

In a final stage, overseeing the transfer of authority from Kosovo's provisional institutions to institutions established under a political settlement;"
That UNMK has transferred its authority to the institutions established.

ecoman,
"As long as his visit is in line with Re. 1244, and that his opinions and views are of a "status neutral" Kosovo, he is welcomed to Serbia's Southern province"
Just what do you think status neutrality means??? It means he is NOT visiting either the Republic of Kosovo officially nor the Serbian Province officially, he is visiting Kosovo officially without prejudice to statehood or province.

So they deserved to be cleansed? In the 80's. pre KLA, Albanians had rights better than any national minority in the world. Spoken by an Albanian professor at Pristina U. Own language taught in schools, own books, lots of money for infrastructure improvements (ask the Slovenes and Croats) etc. The Albanians had it pretty good until the KLA staring ambushing policemen to provoke a response.
(Wally, 23 July 2012 17:19)
Are you Trolling? " Albanians had this and that " but how come kosovo was the poorest province in Yugoslavia? While Slobodan send his  " army " a cross kosovo and killing innocent people ( before KLA came up ), Albanians protested peacefully. Serb riot police beat all protesters, especially in Prishtina. Belgrad closed all albanian speaking schools, hospital, Tv staions etc. When you rise your hand and make a peace sign and it doesn't work then you have to take up the arms and fight and protect innocent people. It's like if i attack serbia and expect the serbs to just sit and watch while i rape/ slaughter/ burn innocent people. It doesnt' work like that. Albanians and serbs hand a great time during the Tito time. But when he died. Slobodan popped up and screw it. Now you have another slobodan called Ivica Dacic and his buddy Tomislav Nikolic who threating war. So who wants war Prishtina or Serbia?

Roger - civilian deaths.

First Toma is threating war. Now he wants the UN to help him. Make up your mind " tough guy ". 

Roger, here are some sources for you on the real death toll from the Kosovo war, not the fake NATO propoganda and lies spread by the mainstream media:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/nov1999/koso-n13.shtml
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1999/nov/11/balkans.unitednations
http://grayfalcon.blogspot.ca/2007/09/kosovo-death-toll-grossly-inflated.html
http://articles.nydailynews.com/1999-10-24/news/18118594_1_kosovar-albanians-nato-bombing-kosovo
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8532

Everyone knows that the 500,000 dead, 100,000 dead, that NATO was claiming to justify their war crimes (bombing Serbian civilians for 78 days around the clock) were a blatant shameless lie. There is now proof of it. What should people learn from this? Never, ever, believe anything that NATO says, they are proven liars and war criminals. I suggest you wake up to this reality and get your head out of the sand.
Cheers!!

Notice no mention of an official reaction to any of Nikolic's "strong" demands. Kind of like ok you said it now lets move on.

While we are losing owr time writing comments here, more than 60 countries are preparing to recognise the independence of KiM!

It who pulls the strings in the background that matters and not which clown in Pristina opens his mouth to tell the Albos they are free and it has always the lawyers that rule not the gun.
(sj, 23 July 2012 23:59)

Please sj, illuminate these people... It is really alarming the ignorance in these forums and nobody understands who pulls in the strings. We need people like you and your legendary Malaysian friend who get information from secret high-level meetings happening in the world to address our ignorance and illuminate our minds :)

"The secretary-general later told reporters that his visit to Kosovo would be taking place "in the wider context" of the tour, and "in line with UN Resolution 1244"."

And in line with Kosovo's UDI which is accordance with UN Resolution 1244

"My point is that if state police temporarily doesn't control a country's region"

written like a true autocrat. thing is, kosova does have its own police :) so you fail on 2 counts never mind one

Mike:
As of 1 June 2012, the Republic of Kosovo has received 93 diplomatic recognitions as an independent state. Notably, 91 out of 193 (47.2%) United Nations (UN) member states, 22 out of 27 (81%) European Union (EU) member states, 24 out of 28 (86%) NATO member states, and 30 out of 57 (53%) Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) member states have recognised Kosovo. Serbia refuses to recognise it. To date, no country to have recognised Kosovo has withdrawn its recognition, in contrast with other non-UN member states such as Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic and the Republic of China.

perhaps 75% already seems a little high, and a whole lot wrong. with such figures as public knowledge and easily found it makes one wonder how bloated all your other figures and those of your suipporters are (having let 27+% slide)

Almost each country has regions where mafia rules and the state has no say. I am talking about Serbia and its region Kosovo.
(aaayyy, 23 July 2012 20:03)

Or the Kremlin. Polonium anyone?

ecoman,
"As long as his visit is in line with Re. 1244, and that his opinions and views are of a "status neutral" Kosovo, he is welcomed to Serbia's Southern province"
Just what do you think status neutrality means???
(pss, 23 July 2012 22:41)

according to ecoman's English neutrality means supporting one of the sides in an argument :)

Wally, sj it seems b92 is censoring my comments. All I will say is this, your own gov. that is the Serbian gov. announced the uncovering of mass graves containing Albanian bodies in them. So if anyone is lying, it's the people you elected. As for your behind the scenes comment sj, I have no idea what you're on a out and I'm pretty certain that neither do you

There is no ambiguity as to enter the breakaway territory of Kosovo in the UN!
There is a UN Charter / and with it should be used!

Dragan- thanks for the links.

Mike-noone said it is going to be easy but IMHO the tide is turning. Yes there have been recognitons, but without Serbia's acceptance it will simply never happen. It must pain you to have gone through all the lies and hoaxes to be stymied again. When you speak to people in diplomatic circles, i just had dinner with an advisor to William Hague, they say it is still very much in the air. Nothing has been decided. On the contrary, as power is shifting, slowly, from West to East, i believe many of these recognitions will be rescinded. Whatever happens, kosovo is going nowhere without Serbia, and all you have to show for it is a massive bondsteel.

...On the contrary, as power is shifting, slowly, from West to East, i believe many of these recognitions will be rescinded. Whatever happens, kosovo is going nowhere without Serbia, and all you have to show for it is a massive bondsteel.
(Aura, 24 July 2012 17:29)...

I love to hear optimistic partiotic serbs like Aura who claims to be in high diplomatic duty.They still think they can run things in Kosova.
Power shift from the West to East?What do u mean with power shifting that the East is losing Lybia,Syria and other allies in the Middle East and Africa?
Who is the crazy country,besides Serbia, who like to live and work like chinese people for 2$ per day?East has nothing to offer except poverty and the lack of human rights.
I am waiting to see the flux of emigrants from the West to the East.When this is going to happened than probably the power has shifted.Until than sorry but West has all the cards.

Kosovo is going nowhere without Serbia,also Serbia is going nowhere without EU and USA.

P.S the irony of Serbia and Jeremic is that Kosova will get the majority of recognisions of UN members,when Jeremic will be on the duty.We need only 6 recognisions to ensure officially the majority,and I am affraid about Jeremic's health when Kosova gets the number 97.

roger, though i appriciate your diligence, i wonder why you didn't ask nikolle to defend their figures with a similar level of incredulity as you did wally.

though, i'm not too sure about the 2000 number, i'm equally unsure of 10000+ numbers. there is far too much deviation for it to be a clear answer between these two very different camps.
i would hope your inquisitiveness will take you into unbiased research and perhaps you can offer something closer to a real figure. i'm sure numerous people would appriciate that.

You know what this is folks , Nikolic is asking for UN presence on the dialog just to cover up the reality that Kosovo is a lost story for Serbia . Tadic had asked for EU presence in the dialog and failed to convince his people that Europe is asking us to recognize Kosovo . Now Nikolic is trying something else , lets se what UN going to ask us to do , and in the end of course the UN will ask Serbia to recognize Kosovo since 75% of the UN member have recognized it already . Now when some of the dialog conditions are reached , Serbia will be asked again to recognize Kosovo and Nikolic will have to explain to his people that we have no choice but recognize the UDI since the UN is asking to do so . This is like going to a regular court and fail and than going to the supreme curt and fail again ..

aaayyy

I think Russia is one such country, only in Russia, it's the whole place, not localised in any one area

The role of the UN / he has to be dominating in Kosovo! Resolution 1244 adopted the UN, not the EU! Therefore all should be going on under the auspices of that organization?

aaayyy

I think Russia is one such country, only in Russia, it's the whole place, not localised in any one area
(Nikolle, 24 July 2012 08:58)

Actually Russian state police control most of the territory.

And what is your point? My point is that if state police temporarily doesn't control a country's region, it doesn't make that region separate state.

Serbia seeks Kosovo dialogue with UN presence.

And I bet you 5 dollars the person in the UN he has in mind for this is the head of the general assembly, mr. "over my dead body" Jeremic.

Out of curiosity Comm. name me ONE thing that UNMIK can decide in Kosova today? you're using the language of lawyers not reality. as for your your dig about Prizren, I wonder if he is going to visit the mass graves of Albanians found in Belgrade whilst he is in the democratic-modern-we-have-moved-on-from-Sloba state of Serbia. now which is worse do you think, property damage or the lifeless bodies of 700 people? you really do write an awful lot of rubbish

... official estimates of deaths are 2000, of which a third are Serbs with only 10% of the population...
@Willy
Don't forget to mention that those 10% serbs,used to control 100% of the power in Kosovo.Parliament members,all other jobs from the highest ones ot jenitors were from this 10%.The other 90% had 0% power and no jobs.

I hope he will enjoy the hooligans who will be "working" the event to ensure he sees what Serbia is all about.

"In Ban's talks with Serbian officials, special emphasis is expected to be placed on Kosovo, where the UN secretary-general will visit the members of the UN mission and meet with officials of the government in Priština."

...and meet with officials of the GOVERNMENT in Priština ;)

So they deserved to be cleansed? In the 80's. pre KLA, Albanians had rights better than any national minority in the world. Spoken by an Albanian professor at Pristina U. Own language taught in schools, own books, lots of money for infrastructure improvements (ask the Slovenes and Croats) etc. The Albanians had it pretty good until the KLA staring ambushing policemen to provoke a response.

When Ban's office announced that he would also travel to Kosovo, Nikolić said that the UN chief "must state whether he's visiting UN members there or was traveling to a Kosovo that thinks it can be a separate state".

Ban already said in Croatia: "As you know, the status of Kosovo is governed by relevant Security Council resolution: resolution 1244." He can't be any clearer about the status of Kosovo I think.

About the goal of his visit in Kosovo, the following is known:

"Mr. Ban then goes to Kosovo, where he will visit the UN Interim Administration Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK). While there, he will meet with international and regional organizations and with Kosovo authorities. He will also visit the Visoki Decani monastery, a UNESCO World Heritage Site, as well as the city of Prizren."

(announcement from the official UN website) http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=42471&Cr=Ban+ki-moon&Cr1=travel


So:
1. visiting UNMIK
2. visiting international and regional organizations
3.visiting Kosovo authorities
4. visting the UNESCO world heritage, the Serbian monastery (which is on the UN red list of endangered cultural monuments because of uncertain status and tense security in Kosovo)
5. Visiting Prizren (maybe having a look at the monastery there which Albanian mob looted in 2004)

"as for your your dig about Prizren, I wonder if he is going to visit the mass graves of Albanians found in Belgrade whilst he is in the democratic-modern-we-have-moved-on-from-Sloba state of Serbia."
(Nikolle, 23 July 2012 11:57)

I didn't find that listed on the official website, but if it makes you happy, while being in Bosnia, Ban will visit Potocari and the graves of the 1000s of people killed and executed by Mladic's troops in Srebrenica.

Without reading all the chest pounding "we are independent" statements from the resident Albanian groupies here on B92, I just want to reiterate what Ban said: The secretary-general later told reporters that his visit to Kosovo would be taking place "in the wider context" of the tour, and "in line with UN Resolution 1244". That is good enough for me. As long as his visit is in line with Re. 1244, and that his opinions and views are of a "status neutral" Kosovo, he is welcomed to Serbia's Southern province. Just don't try any of that BS the US/EU/KFOR tries to pull, stating neutrality but, acting as Pristina's agents. KiM, Serbia's birth land, will always be Serbian, no attempt at border changes will change that. The Albanians know it, in fact all the peoples of the Balkans know that, but the West keeps insisting something different. Who do you think will be more diligent, Serbia or the West, in many years to come? Kosovo je Srbija, it's as simple as that, no matter how many Albanians have overrun it. Ask the Jews to give up Jerusalem, ask the Muslims to give up Mecca, ask the Albanian mafia to give up drug and prostitution rings, impossible. Do you get the picture?

Nikolle- official estimates of deaths are 2000, of which a third are Serbs with only 10% of the population. Your lies will not stand. Horsehoe was a trumped up lie, as was the "genocide" in Kosovo.Everyone knows it except those like you who know the house of cards which is the Kosovo hoax is about to collapse. You really need to get out more.

Roger - civilian deaths.

So they deserved to be cleansed? In the 80's. pre KLA, Albanians had rights better than any national minority in the world. Spoken by an Albanian professor at Pristina U. Own language taught in schools, own books, lots of money for infrastructure improvements (ask the Slovenes and Croats) etc. The Albanians had it pretty good until the KLA staring ambushing policemen to provoke a response.
(Wally, 23 July 2012 17:19)
Are you Trolling? " Albanians had this and that " but how come kosovo was the poorest province in Yugoslavia? While Slobodan send his  " army " a cross kosovo and killing innocent people ( before KLA came up ), Albanians protested peacefully. Serb riot police beat all protesters, especially in Prishtina. Belgrad closed all albanian speaking schools, hospital, Tv staions etc. When you rise your hand and make a peace sign and it doesn't work then you have to take up the arms and fight and protect innocent people. It's like if i attack serbia and expect the serbs to just sit and watch while i rape/ slaughter/ burn innocent people. It doesnt' work like that. Albanians and serbs hand a great time during the Tito time. But when he died. Slobodan popped up and screw it. Now you have another slobodan called Ivica Dacic and his buddy Tomislav Nikolic who threating war. So who wants war Prishtina or Serbia?

Ban already said in Croatia: "As you know, the status of Kosovo is governed by relevant Security Council resolution: resolution 1244." He can't be any clearer about the status of Kosovo I think.
(Comm. Parrisson, 23 July 2012 10:38)
That is why he is good in his job. He makes a statement like that so that each individual interprets the way he wants and is happy. Notice since 2008 Ban has never referred to Kosovo as a province nor a state.
You read one meaning into the 1244 reference I interpret it as meaning that
"Facilitating a political process designed to determine Kosovo's future status, taking into account the Rambouillet accords (S/1999/648);

In a final stage, overseeing the transfer of authority from Kosovo's provisional institutions to institutions established under a political settlement;"
That UNMK has transferred its authority to the institutions established.

Lets wait for the photo of Ban shaking hands with organ terrorist Thaci.

Roger-NATO has been looking for mass graves in Kosovo for 12 years. They have used all the tools at their disposal. Please tell me what they have found.

While we are losing owr time writing comments here, more than 60 countries are preparing to recognise the independence of KiM!

ONE thing that UNMIK can decide in Kosova today? you're using the language of lawyers not reality. as for your your dig about Prizren, I wonder if he is going to visit the mass graves of Albanians found in Belgrade whilst he is in the democratic-modern-we-have-moved-on-from-Sloba state of Serbia. now which is worse do you think, property damage or the lifeless bodies of 700 people? you really do write an awful lot of rubbish
(Nikolle, 23 July 2012 11:57)

It who pulls the strings in the background that matters and not which clown in Pristina opens his mouth to tell the Albos they are free and it has always the lawyers that rule not the gun.

Your Albos killed by Slobo are buried with the Bosniaks in the North Pole and await to be found. Please send me a note when they find them. But in the meantime try Thaci because he murdered more of his own people than anyone else.

Welcome Ban! I am sure you will enjoy Serbian hospitality. I hope you find time to have some fun.

Nikolle- official estimates of deaths are 2000, of which a third are Serbs with only 10% of the population. Your lies will not stand.
(Wally, 23 July 2012 12:27)

You seem to be "the only statistics you can trust are those you falsified yourself"-type. Why don't you post the source of your "official estimates"?

Ban already said in Croatia: "As you know, the status of Kosovo is governed by relevant Security Council resolution: resolution 1244." He can't be any clearer about the status of Kosovo I think.
(Comm. Parrisson, 23 July 2012 10:38)

Actually, he could be clearer. He could say that "he is going to visit the Serbian province...etc." and not hide behind a resolution many interprete differently. That would be unquestionable.

Wonder what is Ban going to say to Jeremic?!

roger-osce

Out of curiosity Comm. name me ONE thing that UNMIK can decide in Kosova today? you're using the language of lawyers not reality.
(Nikolle, 23 July 2012 11:57)

Almost each country has regions where mafia rules and the state has no say. I am talking about Serbia and its region Kosovo.

Roger- the truth is a distraction if you cant handle the truth. It was an approximate figure given by the OSCE. I am afraid I havent got the link handy. Tell me now, where are the graves. You claim these horrors occurred to justify stealing of territory, please inform the rest of us where they are. Ask Nato press dept if you dont believe me.

roger, though i appriciate your diligence, i wonder why you didn't ask nikolle to defend their figures with a similar level of incredulity as you did wally.

though, i'm not too sure about the 2000 number, i'm equally unsure of 10000+ numbers. there is far too much deviation for it to be a clear answer between these two very different camps.
i would hope your inquisitiveness will take you into unbiased research and perhaps you can offer something closer to a real figure. i'm sure numerous people would appriciate that.

Wally, sj it seems b92 is censoring my comments. All I will say is this, your own gov. that is the Serbian gov. announced the uncovering of mass graves containing Albanian bodies in them. So if anyone is lying, it's the people you elected. As for your behind the scenes comment sj, I have no idea what you're on a out and I'm pretty certain that neither do you

Roger-NATO has been looking for mass graves in Kosovo for 12 years. They have used all the tools at their disposal. Please tell me what they have found.
(Wally, 23 July 2012 16:51)

That is still not a source. That is called distraction.
You claim a number of victims and now it is up to you prove that number.
Your claim not mine.

First Toma is threating war. Now he wants the UN to help him. Make up your mind " tough guy ". 

Roger - civilian deaths.
(Wally, 23 July 2012 15:24)

That is not a source. If you are that sure provide us with a source that proves the numbers you claim.

Notice no mention of an official reaction to any of Nikolic's "strong" demands. Kind of like ok you said it now lets move on.

aaayyy

I think Russia is one such country, only in Russia, it's the whole place, not localised in any one area

ecoman,
"As long as his visit is in line with Re. 1244, and that his opinions and views are of a "status neutral" Kosovo, he is welcomed to Serbia's Southern province"
Just what do you think status neutrality means??? It means he is NOT visiting either the Republic of Kosovo officially nor the Serbian Province officially, he is visiting Kosovo officially without prejudice to statehood or province.

"The secretary-general later told reporters that his visit to Kosovo would be taking place "in the wider context" of the tour, and "in line with UN Resolution 1244"."

And in line with Kosovo's UDI which is accordance with UN Resolution 1244

You know what this is folks , Nikolic is asking for UN presence on the dialog just to cover up the reality that Kosovo is a lost story for Serbia . Tadic had asked for EU presence in the dialog and failed to convince his people that Europe is asking us to recognize Kosovo . Now Nikolic is trying something else , lets se what UN going to ask us to do , and in the end of course the UN will ask Serbia to recognize Kosovo since 75% of the UN member have recognized it already . Now when some of the dialog conditions are reached , Serbia will be asked again to recognize Kosovo and Nikolic will have to explain to his people that we have no choice but recognize the UDI since the UN is asking to do so . This is like going to a regular court and fail and than going to the supreme curt and fail again ..

ecoman,
"As long as his visit is in line with Re. 1244, and that his opinions and views are of a "status neutral" Kosovo, he is welcomed to Serbia's Southern province"
Just what do you think status neutrality means???
(pss, 23 July 2012 22:41)

according to ecoman's English neutrality means supporting one of the sides in an argument :)

It who pulls the strings in the background that matters and not which clown in Pristina opens his mouth to tell the Albos they are free and it has always the lawyers that rule not the gun.
(sj, 23 July 2012 23:59)

Please sj, illuminate these people... It is really alarming the ignorance in these forums and nobody understands who pulls in the strings. We need people like you and your legendary Malaysian friend who get information from secret high-level meetings happening in the world to address our ignorance and illuminate our minds :)

...On the contrary, as power is shifting, slowly, from West to East, i believe many of these recognitions will be rescinded. Whatever happens, kosovo is going nowhere without Serbia, and all you have to show for it is a massive bondsteel.
(Aura, 24 July 2012 17:29)...

I love to hear optimistic partiotic serbs like Aura who claims to be in high diplomatic duty.They still think they can run things in Kosova.
Power shift from the West to East?What do u mean with power shifting that the East is losing Lybia,Syria and other allies in the Middle East and Africa?
Who is the crazy country,besides Serbia, who like to live and work like chinese people for 2$ per day?East has nothing to offer except poverty and the lack of human rights.
I am waiting to see the flux of emigrants from the West to the East.When this is going to happened than probably the power has shifted.Until than sorry but West has all the cards.

Kosovo is going nowhere without Serbia,also Serbia is going nowhere without EU and USA.

P.S the irony of Serbia and Jeremic is that Kosova will get the majority of recognisions of UN members,when Jeremic will be on the duty.We need only 6 recognisions to ensure officially the majority,and I am affraid about Jeremic's health when Kosova gets the number 97.

Almost each country has regions where mafia rules and the state has no say. I am talking about Serbia and its region Kosovo.
(aaayyy, 23 July 2012 20:03)

Or the Kremlin. Polonium anyone?

"My point is that if state police temporarily doesn't control a country's region"

written like a true autocrat. thing is, kosova does have its own police :) so you fail on 2 counts never mind one

Mike-noone said it is going to be easy but IMHO the tide is turning. Yes there have been recognitons, but without Serbia's acceptance it will simply never happen. It must pain you to have gone through all the lies and hoaxes to be stymied again. When you speak to people in diplomatic circles, i just had dinner with an advisor to William Hague, they say it is still very much in the air. Nothing has been decided. On the contrary, as power is shifting, slowly, from West to East, i believe many of these recognitions will be rescinded. Whatever happens, kosovo is going nowhere without Serbia, and all you have to show for it is a massive bondsteel.

Roger, here are some sources for you on the real death toll from the Kosovo war, not the fake NATO propoganda and lies spread by the mainstream media:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/nov1999/koso-n13.shtml
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1999/nov/11/balkans.unitednations
http://grayfalcon.blogspot.ca/2007/09/kosovo-death-toll-grossly-inflated.html
http://articles.nydailynews.com/1999-10-24/news/18118594_1_kosovar-albanians-nato-bombing-kosovo
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8532

Everyone knows that the 500,000 dead, 100,000 dead, that NATO was claiming to justify their war crimes (bombing Serbian civilians for 78 days around the clock) were a blatant shameless lie. There is now proof of it. What should people learn from this? Never, ever, believe anything that NATO says, they are proven liars and war criminals. I suggest you wake up to this reality and get your head out of the sand.
Cheers!!

There is no ambiguity as to enter the breakaway territory of Kosovo in the UN!
There is a UN Charter / and with it should be used!

Dragan- thanks for the links.

aaayyy

I think Russia is one such country, only in Russia, it's the whole place, not localised in any one area
(Nikolle, 24 July 2012 08:58)

Actually Russian state police control most of the territory.

And what is your point? My point is that if state police temporarily doesn't control a country's region, it doesn't make that region separate state.

The role of the UN / he has to be dominating in Kosovo! Resolution 1244 adopted the UN, not the EU! Therefore all should be going on under the auspices of that organization?

Mike:
As of 1 June 2012, the Republic of Kosovo has received 93 diplomatic recognitions as an independent state. Notably, 91 out of 193 (47.2%) United Nations (UN) member states, 22 out of 27 (81%) European Union (EU) member states, 24 out of 28 (86%) NATO member states, and 30 out of 57 (53%) Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) member states have recognised Kosovo. Serbia refuses to recognise it. To date, no country to have recognised Kosovo has withdrawn its recognition, in contrast with other non-UN member states such as Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic and the Republic of China.

perhaps 75% already seems a little high, and a whole lot wrong. with such figures as public knowledge and easily found it makes one wonder how bloated all your other figures and those of your suipporters are (having let 27+% slide)

Serbia seeks Kosovo dialogue with UN presence.

And I bet you 5 dollars the person in the UN he has in mind for this is the head of the general assembly, mr. "over my dead body" Jeremic.