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Sunday, 22.07.2012.

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New clashes rock Syrian cities

Fierce fighting between government security forces and rebels has been reported in Syria's two biggest cities - Damascus and Aleppo.

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pyrros

pre 11 godina

@Leonidas,

this is not wishful thinking, this is plain common logic. I see you, at times, trying to pretend like you care for various remote nations, Libya, Syria, but as far as the balkans is concerned, your language is so sharpened and wooden, you could make Hilary Clinton or Contoleeza Rice sound like amateurs.

Commentator

pre 11 godina

"You're one of those who support the vultures and wolves of Arabia that have surrounded Syria..."

By what? Being against Assad, a proven dictator?

"I have never supported any of the Middle Eastern dictators..."

A lie which can be verified by your initial post.

"...but if there is going to be a solution to the Syrian question it must come from within"

I already mentioned it. There was the effort from the powers within Syria where peaceful demonstrators were on the road. However, they were bloodily crushed by government troops and the Shabiha, a proven fact you conveniantly blank out and try to avoid to talk about.

Overall, I just see you just repeating the BS we already know, while simultaneously avoiding my questions. I think I leave it to this, because it is apparent why you act like a hurt animal in the corner. Each and everyone can make his own conclusions for that mindless and reflex behaviour.

Englishman

pre 11 godina

Western policy of "regime change" in Middle East is a short-sided policy which has allowed jihadis to come into power for the first time in the world:Iraq,Egypt,Libya and maybe in Syria.On the other hand,I can see Israel getting a taste of being surrounded by Islamic regimes and Western taxpayers spending to defend it.
(Leonidas, 23 July 2012 00:29)

Yes indeed,we all know who brought those same Jihadis to the Balkans,it was the Bosnian Croat and Muslim Bosnians best friend Clinton,and the US Reich have been using them against other countries who won't submit to washingtons dictat ever since.

Leonidas

pre 11 godina

(Commentator, 23 July 2012 13:02)

Typical Albanian victim-play and pseudo-human rights act.Where were you when million of Iraqis,Afganis,Pakistanis and Libyans were slaughtered by the fascist US neocons and their Western allies?Your silence was deafening.You're one of those who support the vultures and wolves of Arabia that have surrounded Syria together with their usual masters in the West, and you belong to the noisy chickens of the Fox news.

I have never supported any of the Middle Eastern dictators-unlike the West- but if there is going to be a solution to the Syrian question it must come from within and not from the West,Saudi Arabia and Turkey who are financing and arming mercenaries from Yemen,Chechnya,Saudi Arabia and Jordan to kill ,maim thousands of Syrians in order to overthrow Assad.

We all know that Assad and Syria are just pawns on the Western strategic goals.Democracy and human rights in Syria are just plain BS.I am certain if Syria goes Iran will be next which is not far from Chechnya.But when it comes to Russia and China even the biblical insane neocons know their limitations.

Leonidas

pre 11 godina

(pyrros, 23 July 2012 13:57)

I am realist to believe your wishful thinking about the reincarnation of the old Yugoslavia is not going to happen.It's areal fantasy to believe that Bulgars,Croats,Slovenes,Bosniaks and Serbs will somehow merge their nations into a federation.

pyrros

pre 11 godina

Leonidas,

to consider Bosnia as a failed experiment based on the ground of supposedly different ethic groups, I think is wrong, because not only Bosnians are the same nation, but also same with Serbians/Croatians/Slavmakedonians and to an extent, Bulgarians as well.

So the problem with Bosnia was not that they tried to impose the same identity on a group of diverse nations, but exactly the opposite, meaning that Bosnia (as well as croatia/FYROM/CG) are too small to stand by their own.

The natural thing to do would be to unite the lands of ex-yugoslavia and Bulgaria into the same state.

I am sorry to say, but technically this would prove easier than, e.g. integrating Cyprus into Greece.

Commentator

pre 11 godina

(Leonidas, 23 July 2012 12:07)

So you follow rule number one, when confronted with an inconveniant question just to come with a counter question. Again with countries not related to the Syrian problems and overall even with leaders who are dead or almost dead (that includes Assad). You also make the mistake to include me to (whatever) governments. I'm no goverment person but just a reader who sees where a known Anti-Western poster cheerleads a proven dictator and demands to spill even more blood, showing us all how you would like to "solve" that conflict. However, we know that many who fights Assad do this for a just reason. They did this in the beginning peacefully and were bloodily surpressed. You still tip-toe around that and we also know why. You clearly not object the methods which are taken in this volatile corner of the world, nor you seriously critisize the reasons of the specifics of each conflict. You are just angry that that your preferred (Pro-Russian) dictators fall like flies. Otherwise, you would condemn violence and not even call for the use of "all tools" of violence, because we know that you can't fight "terrorists" by using heavy artillery on and in urban areas. That are the desperate attempts of an dictator who hates that his people does not want him any more and who secretly knows that his time has come. I hope that it won't be the last dictator. That includes Iran, Saudi-Arabia, Russia, China, etc. and we know that the time will come, sooner or later..

Leonidas

pre 11 godina

Leonidas, are you going to answer my questions from my previos post or should we regard the usual BS which does not reflect what I said a "proper" answer? I can add also some more. Is Assad and his clan a brutal dictorship because of Sauds? I don't think so. Are the social, economic and ethnic problems of Syria the result a Western of whatever intervention? I don't think so.

(Commentator, 23 July 2012 11:01)

To answer your question you've got to ask who brought all the Middle Eastern dictators into power.Well,the Shah of Iran,Assad,Mubarak and Saddam came into power either with Western help or connivance.As long as those dictators were Western clients and provided security to Israel at the expense of the Palestinians, people like yourself wouldn't cry wolf about the socio-economic conditions afflicting their populations.Since the game in the Middle East has changed people like yourself jump on the Western bandwagon of hypocritical concerns about the human rights, the welfare and democratic rights of Syrians and other Arabs.Where have you been all those years?

Commentator

pre 11 godina

Leonidas, are you going to answer my questions from my previos post or should we regard the usual BS which does not reflect what I said a "proper" answer? I can add also some more. Is Assad and his clan a brutal dictorship because of Sauds? I don't think so. Are the social, economic and ethnic problems of Syria the result a Western of whatever intervention? I don't think so.

The current problems are the result of at least 4 decades of tyranny where a small group/family built up a disproportional amount of power while leaving the majority outside. You can certainly find that also in other countries, in many cases even countries which still support Assad (we know why) and in some states who fight him, but this is not the point. Syria has home-made problems and Assad was, is and apparently never will be open to solve this, because he and his clan are not only part of the problem but the very core. Only because of that we have a civil war in Syria no matter how long you continue with your (politically motivated) finger pointing.

Leonidas

pre 11 godina

Hmmm, and how about Bosnia/Krajna/Kosovo?? I never heard you commenting on this. It is absurd, we are in a yugoslav medium, and you comment on all other western aggressions but the balkan one.
(pyrros, 23 July 2012 10:52)

I have commented in the past about Bosnia and Kosovo and here are my views again.

Bosnia was a flawed solution from the very beginning. The West used the same reasons which split Yugoslavia to built a new flawed federarion with the goal to turn BIH into a centralized Muslim state.BIH is a failed state with no future and the best way forward is to allow the three ethnic constituents to choose their own destinies.

On Kosovo resolution 1244 applies which confirms the province as an integral part of Serbia.

pyrros

pre 11 godina

Leonidas wrote:

"The Western Axis of Evil lied about Iraq, they lied about Afghanistan, they lied about Libya yet the Sheeple which are controlled by the fascist Murdoch media believe all their lies regarding Assad and Syria. "

Hmmm, and how about Bosnia/Krajna/Kosovo?? I never heard you commenting on this. It is absurd, we are in a yugoslav medium, and you comment on all other western aggressions but the balkan one.

Leonidas

pre 11 godina

In general, how do you get rid of somebody who seriously claims that he got 97,3% of all votes? You think that he would reason? Is that what you meant?

There are many players in the Syrian uprising, not only Saudis. There is no surprise that the Saudis are getting involved when the Sunni majority is supressed. You reap what you sow, even Assad.
(Commentator, 22 July 2012 19:47)

Posters like yourself preach about democracy while lining up with the likes of the Sunni fundamentalist royals in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan and Bahrain.So we hear about dictators everywhere, except among the Western allies.The money are just to good to embarrass the theocracy of Saudi Arabia.

Western policy of "regime change" in Middle East is a short-sided policy which has allowed jihadis to come into power for the first time in the world:Iraq,Egypt,Libya and maybe in Syria.On the other hand,I can see Israel getting a taste of being surrounded by Islamic regimes and Western taxpayers spending $trillions to defend it.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Are we talking about the same Assad who gained 97,3% in his "elections"? "
(Commentator, 22 July 2012 15:54)

Elections? I thought Assad Jr. inherited the power from his father, like in North Korea. As far as I know, even the Syrian constitution had to be changed because he was too young to become president when his father died.

P.S: Don't come up with Bush Jr. and Sen. in the USA, please - remember Clinton? :)

Commentator

pre 11 godina

Hesballah or Fath or Hamas are just local partisan national liberation movements never involved to any terror abroad.
(rote, 22 July 2012 18:00)

I was primarily referring to the situation on the ground when Islamists rule. I don't see any difference when it is the Sunni, Shia/Alawi or whatever version. Some are stricter than others, but in essence they follow all the same pattern.

"If one disputes the results of elections there are other ways to achieve a fair election than civil insurrection."

You mean like civil disobedience and peaceful demonstration which took place back in March 2011 in Syria and which have been cracked down by government troops and Shabiha militia? In general, how do you get rid of somebody who seriously claims that he got 97,3% of all votes? You think that he would reason? Is that what you meant?
"You can call it anything you want. The truth is Assad is running a secular government."

I call it, your "truth", selective perception. The disproportional amount of Alawis in key positions as well as the direct connection to the Mullah regime in Tehran and the Hezbollah in Lebanon speaks for itself.

"The fact that Saudi Arabia-this beacon of democracy and human rights- is heart and soul behind the islamists it says a lot about the nature of the insurrection."

There are many players in the Syrian uprising, not only Saudis. There is no surprise that the Saudis are getting involved when the Sunni majority is supressed. You reap what you sow, even Assad.

Leonidas

pre 11 godina

Are we talking about the same Assad who gained 97,3% in his "elections"?

If one disputes the results of elections there are other ways to achieve a fair election than civil insurrection.I don't recall the Americans starting a civil war when Bush stole the election from Al Gore.

Shia/Hizbollah Islamism better than Sunni Islamism? I highly doubt that.

You can call it anything you want.The truth is Assad is running a secular government.The fact that Saudi Arabia-this beacon of democracy and human rights- is heart and soul behind the islamists it says a lot about the nature of the insurrection.

like Saddam found in a earth hole and ending with a rope around his neck or like Gadaffi shrappneled by NATO bombs and fished from the sewer.

Libya had a better healthcare system than most of Europe and a better education system than the French not to mention women rights.What you have now is 2000000 people with guns and anarchy.

The same thing is happening in Iraq,with millions of people queuing to get their daily rations of rice and flour,not to mention the daily violence with hundreds of people blown up.Some democracy here.Perhaps you should start educating yourself on the actual situation of the nations under those rulers rather than reading the dramatic stories, often dramatized(or in the many cases concerning Gadaffi, completely false) .

rote

pre 11 godina

Commentator

“ Shia/Hizbollah Islamism better than Sunni Islamism? I highly doubt that. “

How can you doubt it ! Hesballah or Fath or Hamas are just local partisan national liberation movements never involved to any terror abroad. Meanwhile the Sunni Salafite International known as Al-Qaeda is the CIA tool to sew chaos wherever they come to. Today the Euronews TV said there’s evidence that some 6000 alqaedists are taking part in the west sponsored civil war in Syria. And we all know that the real goal is Iran. So don’t be blind and start to see the difference. It will touch all of us. At least I fear that my country will be involved too much. No more bombings of our allies !

Commentator

pre 11 godina

"... all their lies regarding Assad and Syria."

Are we talking about the same Assad who gained 97,3% in his "elections"?

"This corrupt bunch of internationalists, who are determined to totally destroy the concept of the secular Nation-State and probably the world, are fomenting this atrocity by arming a ruthless bunch of Islamists to loot,murder and create chaos."

Shia/Hizbollah Islamism better than Sunni Islamism? I highly doubt that. The Shabiha militia acts throughout Syria and not an inch wide different than Sunnite Islamists, e.g. Al-Quaida. Besides, it is still unclear who will win the next free and real elections. The Sharia, however, does not have to be introduced. It is already part of the Syrian Judiciary.

"The Syrian government should use every tool at its disposal to defeat the Al Qaeda forces and its Western supporters as quickly as possible to avoid any further loss of innocent life."

Besides that only a part of the Anti-Assad coalition is religiously motivated, Assad actually already used (unsuccessfully) all tools to crush that uprising, except for one: poison gas. But this would only expedite his demise which is in the long run inevitable. The only question is how he will end. Like Ben Ali in exile, like Saddam found in a earth hole and ending with a rope around his neck or like Gadaffi shrappneled by NATO bombs and fished from the sewer.

Leonidas

pre 11 godina

The Western Axis of Evil lied about Iraq, they lied about Afghanistan, they lied about Libya yet the Sheeple which are controlled by the fascist Murdoch media believe all their lies regarding Assad and Syria.

This corrupt bunch of internationalists, who are determined to totally destroy the concept of the secular Nation-State and probably the world, are fomenting this atrocity by arming a ruthless bunch of Islamists to loot,murder and create chaos.

The Syrian government should use every tool at its disposal to defeat the Al Qaeda forces and its Western supporters as quickly as possible to avoid any further loss of innocent life.

Leonidas

pre 11 godina

The Western Axis of Evil lied about Iraq, they lied about Afghanistan, they lied about Libya yet the Sheeple which are controlled by the fascist Murdoch media believe all their lies regarding Assad and Syria.

This corrupt bunch of internationalists, who are determined to totally destroy the concept of the secular Nation-State and probably the world, are fomenting this atrocity by arming a ruthless bunch of Islamists to loot,murder and create chaos.

The Syrian government should use every tool at its disposal to defeat the Al Qaeda forces and its Western supporters as quickly as possible to avoid any further loss of innocent life.

Leonidas

pre 11 godina

Are we talking about the same Assad who gained 97,3% in his "elections"?

If one disputes the results of elections there are other ways to achieve a fair election than civil insurrection.I don't recall the Americans starting a civil war when Bush stole the election from Al Gore.

Shia/Hizbollah Islamism better than Sunni Islamism? I highly doubt that.

You can call it anything you want.The truth is Assad is running a secular government.The fact that Saudi Arabia-this beacon of democracy and human rights- is heart and soul behind the islamists it says a lot about the nature of the insurrection.

like Saddam found in a earth hole and ending with a rope around his neck or like Gadaffi shrappneled by NATO bombs and fished from the sewer.

Libya had a better healthcare system than most of Europe and a better education system than the French not to mention women rights.What you have now is 2000000 people with guns and anarchy.

The same thing is happening in Iraq,with millions of people queuing to get their daily rations of rice and flour,not to mention the daily violence with hundreds of people blown up.Some democracy here.Perhaps you should start educating yourself on the actual situation of the nations under those rulers rather than reading the dramatic stories, often dramatized(or in the many cases concerning Gadaffi, completely false) .

rote

pre 11 godina

Commentator

“ Shia/Hizbollah Islamism better than Sunni Islamism? I highly doubt that. “

How can you doubt it ! Hesballah or Fath or Hamas are just local partisan national liberation movements never involved to any terror abroad. Meanwhile the Sunni Salafite International known as Al-Qaeda is the CIA tool to sew chaos wherever they come to. Today the Euronews TV said there’s evidence that some 6000 alqaedists are taking part in the west sponsored civil war in Syria. And we all know that the real goal is Iran. So don’t be blind and start to see the difference. It will touch all of us. At least I fear that my country will be involved too much. No more bombings of our allies !

Leonidas

pre 11 godina

In general, how do you get rid of somebody who seriously claims that he got 97,3% of all votes? You think that he would reason? Is that what you meant?

There are many players in the Syrian uprising, not only Saudis. There is no surprise that the Saudis are getting involved when the Sunni majority is supressed. You reap what you sow, even Assad.
(Commentator, 22 July 2012 19:47)

Posters like yourself preach about democracy while lining up with the likes of the Sunni fundamentalist royals in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan and Bahrain.So we hear about dictators everywhere, except among the Western allies.The money are just to good to embarrass the theocracy of Saudi Arabia.

Western policy of "regime change" in Middle East is a short-sided policy which has allowed jihadis to come into power for the first time in the world:Iraq,Egypt,Libya and maybe in Syria.On the other hand,I can see Israel getting a taste of being surrounded by Islamic regimes and Western taxpayers spending $trillions to defend it.

Leonidas

pre 11 godina

Hmmm, and how about Bosnia/Krajna/Kosovo?? I never heard you commenting on this. It is absurd, we are in a yugoslav medium, and you comment on all other western aggressions but the balkan one.
(pyrros, 23 July 2012 10:52)

I have commented in the past about Bosnia and Kosovo and here are my views again.

Bosnia was a flawed solution from the very beginning. The West used the same reasons which split Yugoslavia to built a new flawed federarion with the goal to turn BIH into a centralized Muslim state.BIH is a failed state with no future and the best way forward is to allow the three ethnic constituents to choose their own destinies.

On Kosovo resolution 1244 applies which confirms the province as an integral part of Serbia.

Leonidas

pre 11 godina

Leonidas, are you going to answer my questions from my previos post or should we regard the usual BS which does not reflect what I said a "proper" answer? I can add also some more. Is Assad and his clan a brutal dictorship because of Sauds? I don't think so. Are the social, economic and ethnic problems of Syria the result a Western of whatever intervention? I don't think so.

(Commentator, 23 July 2012 11:01)

To answer your question you've got to ask who brought all the Middle Eastern dictators into power.Well,the Shah of Iran,Assad,Mubarak and Saddam came into power either with Western help or connivance.As long as those dictators were Western clients and provided security to Israel at the expense of the Palestinians, people like yourself wouldn't cry wolf about the socio-economic conditions afflicting their populations.Since the game in the Middle East has changed people like yourself jump on the Western bandwagon of hypocritical concerns about the human rights, the welfare and democratic rights of Syrians and other Arabs.Where have you been all those years?

Commentator

pre 11 godina

"... all their lies regarding Assad and Syria."

Are we talking about the same Assad who gained 97,3% in his "elections"?

"This corrupt bunch of internationalists, who are determined to totally destroy the concept of the secular Nation-State and probably the world, are fomenting this atrocity by arming a ruthless bunch of Islamists to loot,murder and create chaos."

Shia/Hizbollah Islamism better than Sunni Islamism? I highly doubt that. The Shabiha militia acts throughout Syria and not an inch wide different than Sunnite Islamists, e.g. Al-Quaida. Besides, it is still unclear who will win the next free and real elections. The Sharia, however, does not have to be introduced. It is already part of the Syrian Judiciary.

"The Syrian government should use every tool at its disposal to defeat the Al Qaeda forces and its Western supporters as quickly as possible to avoid any further loss of innocent life."

Besides that only a part of the Anti-Assad coalition is religiously motivated, Assad actually already used (unsuccessfully) all tools to crush that uprising, except for one: poison gas. But this would only expedite his demise which is in the long run inevitable. The only question is how he will end. Like Ben Ali in exile, like Saddam found in a earth hole and ending with a rope around his neck or like Gadaffi shrappneled by NATO bombs and fished from the sewer.

Commentator

pre 11 godina

Hesballah or Fath or Hamas are just local partisan national liberation movements never involved to any terror abroad.
(rote, 22 July 2012 18:00)

I was primarily referring to the situation on the ground when Islamists rule. I don't see any difference when it is the Sunni, Shia/Alawi or whatever version. Some are stricter than others, but in essence they follow all the same pattern.

"If one disputes the results of elections there are other ways to achieve a fair election than civil insurrection."

You mean like civil disobedience and peaceful demonstration which took place back in March 2011 in Syria and which have been cracked down by government troops and Shabiha militia? In general, how do you get rid of somebody who seriously claims that he got 97,3% of all votes? You think that he would reason? Is that what you meant?
"You can call it anything you want. The truth is Assad is running a secular government."

I call it, your "truth", selective perception. The disproportional amount of Alawis in key positions as well as the direct connection to the Mullah regime in Tehran and the Hezbollah in Lebanon speaks for itself.

"The fact that Saudi Arabia-this beacon of democracy and human rights- is heart and soul behind the islamists it says a lot about the nature of the insurrection."

There are many players in the Syrian uprising, not only Saudis. There is no surprise that the Saudis are getting involved when the Sunni majority is supressed. You reap what you sow, even Assad.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Are we talking about the same Assad who gained 97,3% in his "elections"? "
(Commentator, 22 July 2012 15:54)

Elections? I thought Assad Jr. inherited the power from his father, like in North Korea. As far as I know, even the Syrian constitution had to be changed because he was too young to become president when his father died.

P.S: Don't come up with Bush Jr. and Sen. in the USA, please - remember Clinton? :)

pyrros

pre 11 godina

Leonidas wrote:

"The Western Axis of Evil lied about Iraq, they lied about Afghanistan, they lied about Libya yet the Sheeple which are controlled by the fascist Murdoch media believe all their lies regarding Assad and Syria. "

Hmmm, and how about Bosnia/Krajna/Kosovo?? I never heard you commenting on this. It is absurd, we are in a yugoslav medium, and you comment on all other western aggressions but the balkan one.

Commentator

pre 11 godina

(Leonidas, 23 July 2012 12:07)

So you follow rule number one, when confronted with an inconveniant question just to come with a counter question. Again with countries not related to the Syrian problems and overall even with leaders who are dead or almost dead (that includes Assad). You also make the mistake to include me to (whatever) governments. I'm no goverment person but just a reader who sees where a known Anti-Western poster cheerleads a proven dictator and demands to spill even more blood, showing us all how you would like to "solve" that conflict. However, we know that many who fights Assad do this for a just reason. They did this in the beginning peacefully and were bloodily surpressed. You still tip-toe around that and we also know why. You clearly not object the methods which are taken in this volatile corner of the world, nor you seriously critisize the reasons of the specifics of each conflict. You are just angry that that your preferred (Pro-Russian) dictators fall like flies. Otherwise, you would condemn violence and not even call for the use of "all tools" of violence, because we know that you can't fight "terrorists" by using heavy artillery on and in urban areas. That are the desperate attempts of an dictator who hates that his people does not want him any more and who secretly knows that his time has come. I hope that it won't be the last dictator. That includes Iran, Saudi-Arabia, Russia, China, etc. and we know that the time will come, sooner or later..

pyrros

pre 11 godina

Leonidas,

to consider Bosnia as a failed experiment based on the ground of supposedly different ethic groups, I think is wrong, because not only Bosnians are the same nation, but also same with Serbians/Croatians/Slavmakedonians and to an extent, Bulgarians as well.

So the problem with Bosnia was not that they tried to impose the same identity on a group of diverse nations, but exactly the opposite, meaning that Bosnia (as well as croatia/FYROM/CG) are too small to stand by their own.

The natural thing to do would be to unite the lands of ex-yugoslavia and Bulgaria into the same state.

I am sorry to say, but technically this would prove easier than, e.g. integrating Cyprus into Greece.

Englishman

pre 11 godina

Western policy of "regime change" in Middle East is a short-sided policy which has allowed jihadis to come into power for the first time in the world:Iraq,Egypt,Libya and maybe in Syria.On the other hand,I can see Israel getting a taste of being surrounded by Islamic regimes and Western taxpayers spending to defend it.
(Leonidas, 23 July 2012 00:29)

Yes indeed,we all know who brought those same Jihadis to the Balkans,it was the Bosnian Croat and Muslim Bosnians best friend Clinton,and the US Reich have been using them against other countries who won't submit to washingtons dictat ever since.

Commentator

pre 11 godina

"You're one of those who support the vultures and wolves of Arabia that have surrounded Syria..."

By what? Being against Assad, a proven dictator?

"I have never supported any of the Middle Eastern dictators..."

A lie which can be verified by your initial post.

"...but if there is going to be a solution to the Syrian question it must come from within"

I already mentioned it. There was the effort from the powers within Syria where peaceful demonstrators were on the road. However, they were bloodily crushed by government troops and the Shabiha, a proven fact you conveniantly blank out and try to avoid to talk about.

Overall, I just see you just repeating the BS we already know, while simultaneously avoiding my questions. I think I leave it to this, because it is apparent why you act like a hurt animal in the corner. Each and everyone can make his own conclusions for that mindless and reflex behaviour.

pyrros

pre 11 godina

@Leonidas,

this is not wishful thinking, this is plain common logic. I see you, at times, trying to pretend like you care for various remote nations, Libya, Syria, but as far as the balkans is concerned, your language is so sharpened and wooden, you could make Hilary Clinton or Contoleeza Rice sound like amateurs.

Commentator

pre 11 godina

Leonidas, are you going to answer my questions from my previos post or should we regard the usual BS which does not reflect what I said a "proper" answer? I can add also some more. Is Assad and his clan a brutal dictorship because of Sauds? I don't think so. Are the social, economic and ethnic problems of Syria the result a Western of whatever intervention? I don't think so.

The current problems are the result of at least 4 decades of tyranny where a small group/family built up a disproportional amount of power while leaving the majority outside. You can certainly find that also in other countries, in many cases even countries which still support Assad (we know why) and in some states who fight him, but this is not the point. Syria has home-made problems and Assad was, is and apparently never will be open to solve this, because he and his clan are not only part of the problem but the very core. Only because of that we have a civil war in Syria no matter how long you continue with your (politically motivated) finger pointing.

Leonidas

pre 11 godina

(pyrros, 23 July 2012 13:57)

I am realist to believe your wishful thinking about the reincarnation of the old Yugoslavia is not going to happen.It's areal fantasy to believe that Bulgars,Croats,Slovenes,Bosniaks and Serbs will somehow merge their nations into a federation.

Leonidas

pre 11 godina

(Commentator, 23 July 2012 13:02)

Typical Albanian victim-play and pseudo-human rights act.Where were you when million of Iraqis,Afganis,Pakistanis and Libyans were slaughtered by the fascist US neocons and their Western allies?Your silence was deafening.You're one of those who support the vultures and wolves of Arabia that have surrounded Syria together with their usual masters in the West, and you belong to the noisy chickens of the Fox news.

I have never supported any of the Middle Eastern dictators-unlike the West- but if there is going to be a solution to the Syrian question it must come from within and not from the West,Saudi Arabia and Turkey who are financing and arming mercenaries from Yemen,Chechnya,Saudi Arabia and Jordan to kill ,maim thousands of Syrians in order to overthrow Assad.

We all know that Assad and Syria are just pawns on the Western strategic goals.Democracy and human rights in Syria are just plain BS.I am certain if Syria goes Iran will be next which is not far from Chechnya.But when it comes to Russia and China even the biblical insane neocons know their limitations.

Commentator

pre 11 godina

"... all their lies regarding Assad and Syria."

Are we talking about the same Assad who gained 97,3% in his "elections"?

"This corrupt bunch of internationalists, who are determined to totally destroy the concept of the secular Nation-State and probably the world, are fomenting this atrocity by arming a ruthless bunch of Islamists to loot,murder and create chaos."

Shia/Hizbollah Islamism better than Sunni Islamism? I highly doubt that. The Shabiha militia acts throughout Syria and not an inch wide different than Sunnite Islamists, e.g. Al-Quaida. Besides, it is still unclear who will win the next free and real elections. The Sharia, however, does not have to be introduced. It is already part of the Syrian Judiciary.

"The Syrian government should use every tool at its disposal to defeat the Al Qaeda forces and its Western supporters as quickly as possible to avoid any further loss of innocent life."

Besides that only a part of the Anti-Assad coalition is religiously motivated, Assad actually already used (unsuccessfully) all tools to crush that uprising, except for one: poison gas. But this would only expedite his demise which is in the long run inevitable. The only question is how he will end. Like Ben Ali in exile, like Saddam found in a earth hole and ending with a rope around his neck or like Gadaffi shrappneled by NATO bombs and fished from the sewer.

Leonidas

pre 11 godina

The Western Axis of Evil lied about Iraq, they lied about Afghanistan, they lied about Libya yet the Sheeple which are controlled by the fascist Murdoch media believe all their lies regarding Assad and Syria.

This corrupt bunch of internationalists, who are determined to totally destroy the concept of the secular Nation-State and probably the world, are fomenting this atrocity by arming a ruthless bunch of Islamists to loot,murder and create chaos.

The Syrian government should use every tool at its disposal to defeat the Al Qaeda forces and its Western supporters as quickly as possible to avoid any further loss of innocent life.

rote

pre 11 godina

Commentator

“ Shia/Hizbollah Islamism better than Sunni Islamism? I highly doubt that. “

How can you doubt it ! Hesballah or Fath or Hamas are just local partisan national liberation movements never involved to any terror abroad. Meanwhile the Sunni Salafite International known as Al-Qaeda is the CIA tool to sew chaos wherever they come to. Today the Euronews TV said there’s evidence that some 6000 alqaedists are taking part in the west sponsored civil war in Syria. And we all know that the real goal is Iran. So don’t be blind and start to see the difference. It will touch all of us. At least I fear that my country will be involved too much. No more bombings of our allies !

Commentator

pre 11 godina

Leonidas, are you going to answer my questions from my previos post or should we regard the usual BS which does not reflect what I said a "proper" answer? I can add also some more. Is Assad and his clan a brutal dictorship because of Sauds? I don't think so. Are the social, economic and ethnic problems of Syria the result a Western of whatever intervention? I don't think so.

The current problems are the result of at least 4 decades of tyranny where a small group/family built up a disproportional amount of power while leaving the majority outside. You can certainly find that also in other countries, in many cases even countries which still support Assad (we know why) and in some states who fight him, but this is not the point. Syria has home-made problems and Assad was, is and apparently never will be open to solve this, because he and his clan are not only part of the problem but the very core. Only because of that we have a civil war in Syria no matter how long you continue with your (politically motivated) finger pointing.

Commentator

pre 11 godina

Hesballah or Fath or Hamas are just local partisan national liberation movements never involved to any terror abroad.
(rote, 22 July 2012 18:00)

I was primarily referring to the situation on the ground when Islamists rule. I don't see any difference when it is the Sunni, Shia/Alawi or whatever version. Some are stricter than others, but in essence they follow all the same pattern.

"If one disputes the results of elections there are other ways to achieve a fair election than civil insurrection."

You mean like civil disobedience and peaceful demonstration which took place back in March 2011 in Syria and which have been cracked down by government troops and Shabiha militia? In general, how do you get rid of somebody who seriously claims that he got 97,3% of all votes? You think that he would reason? Is that what you meant?
"You can call it anything you want. The truth is Assad is running a secular government."

I call it, your "truth", selective perception. The disproportional amount of Alawis in key positions as well as the direct connection to the Mullah regime in Tehran and the Hezbollah in Lebanon speaks for itself.

"The fact that Saudi Arabia-this beacon of democracy and human rights- is heart and soul behind the islamists it says a lot about the nature of the insurrection."

There are many players in the Syrian uprising, not only Saudis. There is no surprise that the Saudis are getting involved when the Sunni majority is supressed. You reap what you sow, even Assad.

pyrros

pre 11 godina

Leonidas wrote:

"The Western Axis of Evil lied about Iraq, they lied about Afghanistan, they lied about Libya yet the Sheeple which are controlled by the fascist Murdoch media believe all their lies regarding Assad and Syria. "

Hmmm, and how about Bosnia/Krajna/Kosovo?? I never heard you commenting on this. It is absurd, we are in a yugoslav medium, and you comment on all other western aggressions but the balkan one.

Commentator

pre 11 godina

(Leonidas, 23 July 2012 12:07)

So you follow rule number one, when confronted with an inconveniant question just to come with a counter question. Again with countries not related to the Syrian problems and overall even with leaders who are dead or almost dead (that includes Assad). You also make the mistake to include me to (whatever) governments. I'm no goverment person but just a reader who sees where a known Anti-Western poster cheerleads a proven dictator and demands to spill even more blood, showing us all how you would like to "solve" that conflict. However, we know that many who fights Assad do this for a just reason. They did this in the beginning peacefully and were bloodily surpressed. You still tip-toe around that and we also know why. You clearly not object the methods which are taken in this volatile corner of the world, nor you seriously critisize the reasons of the specifics of each conflict. You are just angry that that your preferred (Pro-Russian) dictators fall like flies. Otherwise, you would condemn violence and not even call for the use of "all tools" of violence, because we know that you can't fight "terrorists" by using heavy artillery on and in urban areas. That are the desperate attempts of an dictator who hates that his people does not want him any more and who secretly knows that his time has come. I hope that it won't be the last dictator. That includes Iran, Saudi-Arabia, Russia, China, etc. and we know that the time will come, sooner or later..

Leonidas

pre 11 godina

Are we talking about the same Assad who gained 97,3% in his "elections"?

If one disputes the results of elections there are other ways to achieve a fair election than civil insurrection.I don't recall the Americans starting a civil war when Bush stole the election from Al Gore.

Shia/Hizbollah Islamism better than Sunni Islamism? I highly doubt that.

You can call it anything you want.The truth is Assad is running a secular government.The fact that Saudi Arabia-this beacon of democracy and human rights- is heart and soul behind the islamists it says a lot about the nature of the insurrection.

like Saddam found in a earth hole and ending with a rope around his neck or like Gadaffi shrappneled by NATO bombs and fished from the sewer.

Libya had a better healthcare system than most of Europe and a better education system than the French not to mention women rights.What you have now is 2000000 people with guns and anarchy.

The same thing is happening in Iraq,with millions of people queuing to get their daily rations of rice and flour,not to mention the daily violence with hundreds of people blown up.Some democracy here.Perhaps you should start educating yourself on the actual situation of the nations under those rulers rather than reading the dramatic stories, often dramatized(or in the many cases concerning Gadaffi, completely false) .

Comm. Parrisson

pre 11 godina

"Are we talking about the same Assad who gained 97,3% in his "elections"? "
(Commentator, 22 July 2012 15:54)

Elections? I thought Assad Jr. inherited the power from his father, like in North Korea. As far as I know, even the Syrian constitution had to be changed because he was too young to become president when his father died.

P.S: Don't come up with Bush Jr. and Sen. in the USA, please - remember Clinton? :)

Leonidas

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(pyrros, 23 July 2012 13:57)

I am realist to believe your wishful thinking about the reincarnation of the old Yugoslavia is not going to happen.It's areal fantasy to believe that Bulgars,Croats,Slovenes,Bosniaks and Serbs will somehow merge their nations into a federation.

Leonidas

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(Commentator, 23 July 2012 13:02)

Typical Albanian victim-play and pseudo-human rights act.Where were you when million of Iraqis,Afganis,Pakistanis and Libyans were slaughtered by the fascist US neocons and their Western allies?Your silence was deafening.You're one of those who support the vultures and wolves of Arabia that have surrounded Syria together with their usual masters in the West, and you belong to the noisy chickens of the Fox news.

I have never supported any of the Middle Eastern dictators-unlike the West- but if there is going to be a solution to the Syrian question it must come from within and not from the West,Saudi Arabia and Turkey who are financing and arming mercenaries from Yemen,Chechnya,Saudi Arabia and Jordan to kill ,maim thousands of Syrians in order to overthrow Assad.

We all know that Assad and Syria are just pawns on the Western strategic goals.Democracy and human rights in Syria are just plain BS.I am certain if Syria goes Iran will be next which is not far from Chechnya.But when it comes to Russia and China even the biblical insane neocons know their limitations.

Englishman

pre 11 godina

Western policy of "regime change" in Middle East is a short-sided policy which has allowed jihadis to come into power for the first time in the world:Iraq,Egypt,Libya and maybe in Syria.On the other hand,I can see Israel getting a taste of being surrounded by Islamic regimes and Western taxpayers spending to defend it.
(Leonidas, 23 July 2012 00:29)

Yes indeed,we all know who brought those same Jihadis to the Balkans,it was the Bosnian Croat and Muslim Bosnians best friend Clinton,and the US Reich have been using them against other countries who won't submit to washingtons dictat ever since.

Leonidas

pre 11 godina

In general, how do you get rid of somebody who seriously claims that he got 97,3% of all votes? You think that he would reason? Is that what you meant?

There are many players in the Syrian uprising, not only Saudis. There is no surprise that the Saudis are getting involved when the Sunni majority is supressed. You reap what you sow, even Assad.
(Commentator, 22 July 2012 19:47)

Posters like yourself preach about democracy while lining up with the likes of the Sunni fundamentalist royals in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan and Bahrain.So we hear about dictators everywhere, except among the Western allies.The money are just to good to embarrass the theocracy of Saudi Arabia.

Western policy of "regime change" in Middle East is a short-sided policy which has allowed jihadis to come into power for the first time in the world:Iraq,Egypt,Libya and maybe in Syria.On the other hand,I can see Israel getting a taste of being surrounded by Islamic regimes and Western taxpayers spending $trillions to defend it.

Leonidas

pre 11 godina

Hmmm, and how about Bosnia/Krajna/Kosovo?? I never heard you commenting on this. It is absurd, we are in a yugoslav medium, and you comment on all other western aggressions but the balkan one.
(pyrros, 23 July 2012 10:52)

I have commented in the past about Bosnia and Kosovo and here are my views again.

Bosnia was a flawed solution from the very beginning. The West used the same reasons which split Yugoslavia to built a new flawed federarion with the goal to turn BIH into a centralized Muslim state.BIH is a failed state with no future and the best way forward is to allow the three ethnic constituents to choose their own destinies.

On Kosovo resolution 1244 applies which confirms the province as an integral part of Serbia.

Leonidas

pre 11 godina

Leonidas, are you going to answer my questions from my previos post or should we regard the usual BS which does not reflect what I said a "proper" answer? I can add also some more. Is Assad and his clan a brutal dictorship because of Sauds? I don't think so. Are the social, economic and ethnic problems of Syria the result a Western of whatever intervention? I don't think so.

(Commentator, 23 July 2012 11:01)

To answer your question you've got to ask who brought all the Middle Eastern dictators into power.Well,the Shah of Iran,Assad,Mubarak and Saddam came into power either with Western help or connivance.As long as those dictators were Western clients and provided security to Israel at the expense of the Palestinians, people like yourself wouldn't cry wolf about the socio-economic conditions afflicting their populations.Since the game in the Middle East has changed people like yourself jump on the Western bandwagon of hypocritical concerns about the human rights, the welfare and democratic rights of Syrians and other Arabs.Where have you been all those years?

pyrros

pre 11 godina

Leonidas,

to consider Bosnia as a failed experiment based on the ground of supposedly different ethic groups, I think is wrong, because not only Bosnians are the same nation, but also same with Serbians/Croatians/Slavmakedonians and to an extent, Bulgarians as well.

So the problem with Bosnia was not that they tried to impose the same identity on a group of diverse nations, but exactly the opposite, meaning that Bosnia (as well as croatia/FYROM/CG) are too small to stand by their own.

The natural thing to do would be to unite the lands of ex-yugoslavia and Bulgaria into the same state.

I am sorry to say, but technically this would prove easier than, e.g. integrating Cyprus into Greece.

Commentator

pre 11 godina

"You're one of those who support the vultures and wolves of Arabia that have surrounded Syria..."

By what? Being against Assad, a proven dictator?

"I have never supported any of the Middle Eastern dictators..."

A lie which can be verified by your initial post.

"...but if there is going to be a solution to the Syrian question it must come from within"

I already mentioned it. There was the effort from the powers within Syria where peaceful demonstrators were on the road. However, they were bloodily crushed by government troops and the Shabiha, a proven fact you conveniantly blank out and try to avoid to talk about.

Overall, I just see you just repeating the BS we already know, while simultaneously avoiding my questions. I think I leave it to this, because it is apparent why you act like a hurt animal in the corner. Each and everyone can make his own conclusions for that mindless and reflex behaviour.

pyrros

pre 11 godina

@Leonidas,

this is not wishful thinking, this is plain common logic. I see you, at times, trying to pretend like you care for various remote nations, Libya, Syria, but as far as the balkans is concerned, your language is so sharpened and wooden, you could make Hilary Clinton or Contoleeza Rice sound like amateurs.