Jeremić: Croatian president has no reason for concern

It's understandable that albanians don't want to respect the rules and regulations of the UN. If they did respect it they would realize that Kosovo is territory recognized by UN nations to belong within the borders of Serbia. Proclaiming independence and having powerful nations supporting that proclamations outside the UN is done so because independence would never have been legaly possible in accordance with the UN Charter. If it was legal Kosovo would be a UN member today, which is isn't. Kosovo independence is nothing less then powerful countries simply taking someone elses territory. not because it the right thing to do but because they are powerful enough to do whatever fits their agenda and personal interests.

Jeremic will be known as the UN General Assembly president who was relieved of his duties due to abuse of office:

“There is no reason for him to be afraid that we will not live up the responsibility entrusted to us by the majority of votes of the human kind and that we will not preside in a completely fair manner and with strict respect of the UN Charter and all other rules of the most important international organization."

Who is we? Vuk the first, ruler of the world?

"by the same token, you could argue Russia and China blocking Kosova's UN membership is done not because it the right thing to do but because they are powerful enough to do whatever fits their agenda and personal interests."

Nikolle

You failed to read his whole comment. According to the UN Charter Kosovo didn't have the right to break away. How then can Russia and China recognize Kosovo when it goes against what UN stands for. Russia and China are not doing it because they can but because it was not in accordance with UN policies to begin with.

"They, among other things, define procedures for the membership pretty clearly and I am afraid that they are not particularly favorable for secessionist territories such as Kosovo and Metohija,” the Serbian official told Tanjug.

Good. So he knows it that it's not up to Jeremic to decide about self-proclaimed secessionist countries like Kosovo becoming UN member states. Procedure is as follows: The UNSC gives a recommendation for a new member, then the General assembly will vote. In case of Kosovo, the veto powers Russia and China won't 'recomment' this new member, that must be clear for everyone.

It's understandable that albanians don't want to respect the rules and regulations of the UN. If they did respect it they would realize that Kosovo is territory recognized by UN nations to belong within the borders of Serbia. Proclaiming independence and having powerful nations supporting that proclamations outside the UN is done so because independence would never have been legaly possible in accordance with the UN Charter. If it was legal Kosovo would be a UN member today, which is isn't. Kosovo independence is nothing less then powerful countries simply taking someone elses territory. not because it the right thing to do but because they are powerful enough to do whatever fits their agenda and personal interests.
(Navin, 22 July 2012 12:33)

Navin is absolutely correct. Kosovo can't be a member of the UN because of UNSC Resolution 1244, as well as the UN Charter and the Helsinki Act of 1975. Even the EU can't recognize Kosovo as an independent nation because of lack of consensus. Vuk Jeremic is absolutely right in his position as a matter of law. Albanians can rely on outlaw power provided in an illegal manner from several Western nation, but unless Serbia recognizes Kosovo, per 1244, Kosovo will never be a legal country. President Josipovic understands this as well. However, it is still a secret what documents Tadic signed behind closed doors while president.

"not because it the right thing to do but because they are powerful enough to do whatever fits their agenda and personal interests."

by the same token, you could argue Russia and China blocking Kosova's UN membership is done not because it the right thing to do but because they are powerful enough to do whatever fits their agenda and personal interests.

Navin,

To answer to your comment. Your statement is categorically false. Let me state that Kosova never was a part of Serbia. According to the UN charter, any country that systematically abuses, pillages and murders its citizens have a right to secede. By technicality, Kosova was within the borders of Yugaslavia in which Serbia indirectly inhereted Kosova. Kosova is independent and will be eventually recognized by the UN.

"They, among other things, define procedures for the membership pretty clearly and I am afraid that they are not particularly favorable for secessionist territories such as Kosovo and Metohija,” the Serbian official told Tanjug."

If that would be really the case, there would have been no need for your childish statements. But we understand that kind of statements makes certain (right wing) circles happy in Serbia. But that year will go, just as you.

and that he is looking forward to Serbia’s presidency over the UN General Assembly,” he underscored.


I am looking forward to see Serbian presidency at UNGA to be kicked out before its mandate is due to expire. Knowing that VUK, will screw up big time.

Everybody should be worried what Serbian war criminals say or do.

Jeremic,
How do you think all those countries in the UN ended up there?

"Albanians can rely on outlaw power provided in an illegal manner from several Western nation, but unless Serbia recognizes Kosovo, per 1244, Kosovo will never be a legal country."
(Michael, 22 July 2012 18:50)

What is a 'legal country'? You mean an universally recognized one, i.e. an UN member state? As I said before, it's not up to Serbia to decide about that.

I don't know about 'all those countries', but for example, the latest new UN member, South Sudan, came there after a mutually agreed split and a public voting, not by an 'UDI' :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 22 July 2012 19:54)

In case you are not aware, public voting took place only in South Sudan and did not include North Sudan at all. You know what I mean?

really interesting MikeC. UN charter didn't seem to matter to Russia in the case of Georgia :-)

How do you think all those countries in the UN ended up there?
(shestan, 22 July 2012 17:29)

I don't know about 'all those countries', but for example, the latest new UN member, South Sudan, came there after a mutually agreed split and a public voting, not by an 'UDI' :)

"really interesting MikeC. UN charter didn't seem to matter to Russia in the case of Georgia :-)"

Nikolle

It's thanks to Kosovo that Russia decided to do what American, France and the UK has done. If these western countries can do whatever they want why shouldn't Russia, China etc. The west wants evertyone else to respect the UN charter but not they themselves. What Russia does in Georgia is showing the west what they are doing in Kosovo. Look at the Hague for example. The US want others to be tried there for warcrimes but not their own.

"Kosova is independent and will be eventually recognized by the UN."

this is the stupidest statement anyone could write ... seriously all of you albanians live in a dream world where you think kosovo is independent .. well allow me to wake you up and bring you back to reality, kosovo is a disputed territory and is thus not independent and never will be nor will it ever join the un thanks to the majority of the countries on the planet and two veto wielding members that back serbia on its stance

one of two things will happen to kosovo either it will remain in a state of limbo until it collapses due to bankruptcy and serbia will take it over or serbia will re-engage in a war with the albaninas and retake kosovo

throughout history the serbs have been able to drive out every invader that tried to conquer them and take their land and the albaninas will share the same fate as the ottomans, hapsburgs and the nazi/fascists that did before them, its only a matter of time

Kosova is independent and will be eventually recognized by the UN.
(Afrim Pulatani, 22 July 2012 20:01)

What is a 'legal country'? You mean an universally recognized one, i.e. an UN member state?
(Comm. Parrisson, 22 July 2012 19:59)

Both wrong; UN has nothing to do with recognition because the UN itself says so http://www.un.org/en/members/about.shtml. In addition, on the more practical side, just take the example of Ukraine that was a UN member from 1945 to 1990 and we all know how much it was recognized or independent in that period :)

What matters is the recognition by individual countries

Forget this b.ch legal illegal... Kosova is not UN memebr due to the veto power of bolsheviks in UN SC - the same that protect Assad and other crooks in the world.

UN needs to be reformed and these totalitarian bolsheviks that have nothing to do with the democracy need to be marginalized as de facto they are.

Croatian president has no reason for concern.

Of course he has reason, what will happen to you if Kosovo joins UN?

Jeremic will be known as the UN General Assembly president who was relieved of his duties due to abuse of office:

“There is no reason for him to be afraid that we will not live up the responsibility entrusted to us by the majority of votes of the human kind and that we will not preside in a completely fair manner and with strict respect of the UN Charter and all other rules of the most important international organization."

Who is we? Vuk the first, ruler of the world?

"not because it the right thing to do but because they are powerful enough to do whatever fits their agenda and personal interests."

by the same token, you could argue Russia and China blocking Kosova's UN membership is done not because it the right thing to do but because they are powerful enough to do whatever fits their agenda and personal interests.

It's understandable that albanians don't want to respect the rules and regulations of the UN. If they did respect it they would realize that Kosovo is territory recognized by UN nations to belong within the borders of Serbia. Proclaiming independence and having powerful nations supporting that proclamations outside the UN is done so because independence would never have been legaly possible in accordance with the UN Charter. If it was legal Kosovo would be a UN member today, which is isn't. Kosovo independence is nothing less then powerful countries simply taking someone elses territory. not because it the right thing to do but because they are powerful enough to do whatever fits their agenda and personal interests.

Everybody should be worried what Serbian war criminals say or do.

"They, among other things, define procedures for the membership pretty clearly and I am afraid that they are not particularly favorable for secessionist territories such as Kosovo and Metohija,” the Serbian official told Tanjug."

If that would be really the case, there would have been no need for your childish statements. But we understand that kind of statements makes certain (right wing) circles happy in Serbia. But that year will go, just as you.

and that he is looking forward to Serbia’s presidency over the UN General Assembly,” he underscored.


I am looking forward to see Serbian presidency at UNGA to be kicked out before its mandate is due to expire. Knowing that VUK, will screw up big time.

"They, among other things, define procedures for the membership pretty clearly and I am afraid that they are not particularly favorable for secessionist territories such as Kosovo and Metohija,” the Serbian official told Tanjug.

Good. So he knows it that it's not up to Jeremic to decide about self-proclaimed secessionist countries like Kosovo becoming UN member states. Procedure is as follows: The UNSC gives a recommendation for a new member, then the General assembly will vote. In case of Kosovo, the veto powers Russia and China won't 'recomment' this new member, that must be clear for everyone.

Navin,

To answer to your comment. Your statement is categorically false. Let me state that Kosova never was a part of Serbia. According to the UN charter, any country that systematically abuses, pillages and murders its citizens have a right to secede. By technicality, Kosova was within the borders of Yugaslavia in which Serbia indirectly inhereted Kosova. Kosova is independent and will be eventually recognized by the UN.

Jeremic,
How do you think all those countries in the UN ended up there?

really interesting MikeC. UN charter didn't seem to matter to Russia in the case of Georgia :-)

It's understandable that albanians don't want to respect the rules and regulations of the UN. If they did respect it they would realize that Kosovo is territory recognized by UN nations to belong within the borders of Serbia. Proclaiming independence and having powerful nations supporting that proclamations outside the UN is done so because independence would never have been legaly possible in accordance with the UN Charter. If it was legal Kosovo would be a UN member today, which is isn't. Kosovo independence is nothing less then powerful countries simply taking someone elses territory. not because it the right thing to do but because they are powerful enough to do whatever fits their agenda and personal interests.
(Navin, 22 July 2012 12:33)

Navin is absolutely correct. Kosovo can't be a member of the UN because of UNSC Resolution 1244, as well as the UN Charter and the Helsinki Act of 1975. Even the EU can't recognize Kosovo as an independent nation because of lack of consensus. Vuk Jeremic is absolutely right in his position as a matter of law. Albanians can rely on outlaw power provided in an illegal manner from several Western nation, but unless Serbia recognizes Kosovo, per 1244, Kosovo will never be a legal country. President Josipovic understands this as well. However, it is still a secret what documents Tadic signed behind closed doors while president.

"Albanians can rely on outlaw power provided in an illegal manner from several Western nation, but unless Serbia recognizes Kosovo, per 1244, Kosovo will never be a legal country."
(Michael, 22 July 2012 18:50)

What is a 'legal country'? You mean an universally recognized one, i.e. an UN member state? As I said before, it's not up to Serbia to decide about that.

"by the same token, you could argue Russia and China blocking Kosova's UN membership is done not because it the right thing to do but because they are powerful enough to do whatever fits their agenda and personal interests."

Nikolle

You failed to read his whole comment. According to the UN Charter Kosovo didn't have the right to break away. How then can Russia and China recognize Kosovo when it goes against what UN stands for. Russia and China are not doing it because they can but because it was not in accordance with UN policies to begin with.

Forget this b.ch legal illegal... Kosova is not UN memebr due to the veto power of bolsheviks in UN SC - the same that protect Assad and other crooks in the world.

UN needs to be reformed and these totalitarian bolsheviks that have nothing to do with the democracy need to be marginalized as de facto they are.

How do you think all those countries in the UN ended up there?
(shestan, 22 July 2012 17:29)

I don't know about 'all those countries', but for example, the latest new UN member, South Sudan, came there after a mutually agreed split and a public voting, not by an 'UDI' :)

"Kosova is independent and will be eventually recognized by the UN."

this is the stupidest statement anyone could write ... seriously all of you albanians live in a dream world where you think kosovo is independent .. well allow me to wake you up and bring you back to reality, kosovo is a disputed territory and is thus not independent and never will be nor will it ever join the un thanks to the majority of the countries on the planet and two veto wielding members that back serbia on its stance

one of two things will happen to kosovo either it will remain in a state of limbo until it collapses due to bankruptcy and serbia will take it over or serbia will re-engage in a war with the albaninas and retake kosovo

throughout history the serbs have been able to drive out every invader that tried to conquer them and take their land and the albaninas will share the same fate as the ottomans, hapsburgs and the nazi/fascists that did before them, its only a matter of time

Croatian president has no reason for concern.

Of course he has reason, what will happen to you if Kosovo joins UN?

Kosova is independent and will be eventually recognized by the UN.
(Afrim Pulatani, 22 July 2012 20:01)

What is a 'legal country'? You mean an universally recognized one, i.e. an UN member state?
(Comm. Parrisson, 22 July 2012 19:59)

Both wrong; UN has nothing to do with recognition because the UN itself says so http://www.un.org/en/members/about.shtml. In addition, on the more practical side, just take the example of Ukraine that was a UN member from 1945 to 1990 and we all know how much it was recognized or independent in that period :)

What matters is the recognition by individual countries

"really interesting MikeC. UN charter didn't seem to matter to Russia in the case of Georgia :-)"

Nikolle

It's thanks to Kosovo that Russia decided to do what American, France and the UK has done. If these western countries can do whatever they want why shouldn't Russia, China etc. The west wants evertyone else to respect the UN charter but not they themselves. What Russia does in Georgia is showing the west what they are doing in Kosovo. Look at the Hague for example. The US want others to be tried there for warcrimes but not their own.

I don't know about 'all those countries', but for example, the latest new UN member, South Sudan, came there after a mutually agreed split and a public voting, not by an 'UDI' :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 22 July 2012 19:54)

In case you are not aware, public voting took place only in South Sudan and did not include North Sudan at all. You know what I mean?