"Kosovo is frozen conflict, partition only fair solution"

“….has not changed for the last 15 years” and added that the U.S. administration “will stick to the policy of Kosovo’s independence and position that Serbia needs to join the EU and NATO”.
“Americans will not strongly pressure Belgrade any time soon, meaning until Belgrade makes its position clearer. Therefore, the first question is not what the U.S. policy will be like but what Belgrade’s policy will be like,” said Meyer.

This is the nonsense being taught at the US military University today and is there any wonder that the US is going backwards in leaps and bounds.
Hey does anyone with a brain think that the US will not or has not pressured Belgrade???????? What was the US assistant Secretary doing in Belgrade recently???? Getting a suntan? No, he was there to put pressure or try to anyway. If the US could put pressure on Serbia to recognize Kosovo and succeed it would do it tomorrow. Once again US BS at its best.
“He believes that Serbia has a chance to change the dynamics of its relations with Washington. “
This is best referred to as the delusion complex, as if anyone cares about changing dynamics with Washington. Militarily, the US is in full retreat from all over the world and this is not a throwaway line but pure fact. By 2014 South stream will be operational and Russia will supply 50% of all EU’s energy needs so who do you think will have more influence? Russia or a broke US?
The only logical statement Meyer has made is portioning of Kosovo.

Serbs in northern Kosova are 2-3 % of the population in Kosova. Albanians in western Macedonia make up 25-30 % of the population there.

So What about partition ????


We are more than happy to get Preshevo Valley and western part of Macedonia in exchange with Leposavic, Zubin potok and Zvecan. Mitrovica as one city belongs to Kosova.

"The West is tired of serb territorial claim on every country in the region."

Demi

This must be the comment of the year! Albanians and HATO take Kosovo by force from Serbia and now Serbia is blamed for having a territorial claim of the territory that was stolen from her? You must be a Pristina politician with comments like that!

“In short, Kosovo has basically become a frozen conflict and I do not expect this to change any time soon. I have been saying for the last ten years that the partition is the only fair solution,” he concluded.
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It was the only fair solution in Croatia and BiH also, which would have solved the current problems years ago. However, the ego of the West (i.e. might is right) means we are still battling unfair agendas. This translates into very costly measures by Western governments and money being poured down black holes. In the end, they end up losing.

"There is not such a thing of Kosovo partition without a whole border change in the Balkans. If north Kosovo goes to Serbia then why shouldn't Presevo Valley go to Kosovo, or Vojvodina to Hungary, or Sandzak to Bosnia?"

Mark

Just curious Mark! Why didn't you include Republika Srpska go to Serbia and Norhtern Epirus in south Albania go to Greece?

Besides, what you albanians do to Macedonia we don't care about. Macedonia has chosen sides by recognizing Kosovo as independent.

There is no such thing as partition of Kosovo - we are either talking a redefining borders across the region (including Presheva, Macedonia, Albania, Bosnia) or partition should not be discussed at all. The chain effect of partition of Kosovo cannot be avoided and should not be seen in isolation.

Personally I think redrawing borders might avoid future conflicts. Multi-ethnicity hasn't worked in western europe and it much less likely to work in the Balkans for obvious reasons.

Demi:

According to your logic, what about the Greeks in Albania, don't they deserve partition? You abide by the Islamic perspective, being, we are the majority in one area of your country, so now it belongs to us. It doesn't work that way, otherwise, every country in the world would be partitioned along ethnic lines. You Albos are a strange breed, what's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine. You know what you can do what that philosophy?

Funny how ex-CIA officials always have opinions that are in direct contrast to what their ordered to push when part of that organization. I wonder what changes their minds? Do they get that jaded when working for the CIA or do they just get their brains back upon retirement? :)

Preshevo - Serbian
Kosovo - Serbian
Albania - Albanian

Partition in Kosovo would NOT imply the readjustment of other borders to suit Albanians.

I agree with the point about the new government being less cooperative. Serbia should make its agenda clear - including the full return of Kosovo to its control, with the partition being an intermediate step.

Albanians have a mono-ethnic mentality. It provoked the previous conflicts and should not be rewarded.

There is not such a thing of Kosovo partition without a whole border change in the Balkans. If north Kosovo goes to Serbia then why shouldn't Presevo Valley go to Kosovo, or Vojvodina to Hungary, or Sandzak to Bosnia? I hope Nikolic and Dacic push hard on partition.

""why shouldn't Presevo Valley go to Kosovo, or Vojvodina to Hungary, or Sandzak to Bosnia? ""

Because those not are frozen conflicts and as such are not under discussion in the UN.

FULLY AGREE - all MUslim intruders back to Turkey and Albania and everybody is happy! FAIR solution...NO stealing land from Europeans!
(to nikshala, 18 July 2012 18:11)


You mean all Rusian gypsies goes back to Asia where they came from to steal Albanian land?. Albanians are more europeans than Serbs. This is proven by the Albanian DNA. Religion dosent matter on this matter.

'A rock rest best on it's native land'

Partition is capitulation, make no mistake about it. There is no way to accept partition without finally and irrevocably giving away over 90% of Kosovo. What is more, partition always was the final solution envisioned by the US once both sides arrived, or were lead, to the idea that it was in their best interests. What is particularly troubling is that Serbia's nominal nationalists are apparently buying in, that is evident both from the statements coming out of the new coalition and the commentary of many non-DS Serbs here. I don't hear the same acceptance from the Kalbanians, but than again they don't really have a say in the mater; they will do what they are told by their colonial masters. The Serbian people need to wake up to what partition really means: surrender.

A little over 100 years ago, Kosovo had a Serbian majority, and a few decades before that, Kosovo was 80-90% Serbian. In the last 100 years, Albanians have changed that. Why do the Albanian posters here think that if they populate an area by intimidating, killing and driving out the people that were there before them and eventually become a majority, then that means that land now belongs to them? Kosovo belongs to Serbia and it belonged to Serbia when Turkish occupiers occupied it and it still belongs to Serbia now that Albanian occupiers occupy it. Turkey held onto Serbian land for 500 years and Serbia never stopped fighting and eventually drove them out, and Albanians are not nearly as powerful as Turkey was, so how long do they think they will be able to occupy Kosovo?

Personally I think redrawing borders might avoid future conflicts. Multi-ethnicity hasn't worked in western europe and it much less likely to work in the Balkans for obvious reasons.
(nikshala, 18 July 2012 16:43)

FULLY AGREE - all MUslim intruders back to Turkey and Albania and everybody is happy! FAIR solution...NO stealing land from Europeans!

Mark and Demi, Dream on. The West and Europe is done with Albanian "Land". Partion Kosovo and move on.

Mark and Demi, Dream on. The West and Europe is done with Albanian "Land". Partion Kosovo and move on.
(Dennis, 18 July 2012 18:34)


Why starting with partition of the whole region for the sake of some small portion of Serbs in northern Kosova? No reason to partition Kosova since majority of K.serbs live in southern Kosova. The West is tired of serb territorial claim on every country in the region. That is why Kosova Will stay independent as a whole and Serbia will have to move on.

If serbs dont stop claiming territory Then no Eu for Serbia!

Preshevo - Albanian
Kosovo - Albanian
Albania - Albanian
Sandzak- Bosnian
Republika Srpska-Bosnian
Vojvodina- Hungarian
Timoc- Romanian
Bosilegrad-Bulgarian
(Mark, 18 July 2012 19:48)

Presevo - Albanian in Presevo only.
Kosovo - Oops, I thought it was "Kosovars".
Sandzak - 50% Muslim Serb
Republika Srpska - 97% Serb
Vojvodina - ~65% Serb
Timok - 85% Serb

You got Albania and Bosilegrad and Albania right. The rest, well the rest of us do have access to the internet to fact check.

“In short, Kosovo has basically become a frozen conflict and I do not expect this to change any time soon. I have been saying for the last ten years that the partition is the only fair solution,” he concluded.

Another case that people from intelligence agencies realize things sooner than ordinary politicians who often lives in denial.

We are more than happy to get Preshevo Valley and western part of Macedonia in exchange with Leposavic, Zubin potok and Zvecan. Mitrovica as one city belongs to Kosova.
(Demi, 18 July 2012 17:09)

Presevo Valley and Macedonia are not parts of Kosovo*. Northern Mitrovica is not part of Kosovo* either. Try being smart for a change.

If north Kosovo goes to Serbia then why shouldn't Presevo Valley go to Kosovo, or Vojvodina to Hungary, or Sandzak to Bosnia? I hope Nikolic and Dacic push hard on partition.
(Mark, 18 July 2012 18:04)

None of those other areas are under territorial dispute. Kosovo is. No need to fear similar cases in Bosnia, Macedonia, or Albania. The Serbs of Bosnia are happy in RS. No one support the Albanians in Macedonia. Where is Sandzak going to partition into? RS? Think before you try to pass yourself off as someone who knows something.

Agree!North Kosovo to Serbia ,part of Macedonia to Albanians.This is the only solution for clean teritory and Balkan peace...

“But in order to do that it needs to act more independently and to be less obedient to Washington or Brussels than the previous government,” Meyer added.

Exactly, no one will respect Serbia until Serbia starts respecting itself.

we will show you what really belongs to Albanians.
(Eagle, 18 July 2012 20:12)

What "really" belongs to Albanians is far less than what the civilized world gave you in 1912. Let's start by taking away Northern Epirus and giving it back to Greece. Skadar would be a lot better as part of Montenegro.

there is nothing to be divided, it´s all serbian territory and the US know that. that´s why they are trying to push for a division, since they know very well that geopolitic conditions are shifting.

no, if necessary let it be a "frozen conflict" until the right moment for liberation is at hand.

we will not let the Albanians get away with what is ours. never.

at this stage i'm starting to think maybe america had a 100% serb population in 1690. where on earth do you people get your statistics, the serb orthodox church? that very unbiased source of info? Vojvodina has only been a part of Serbia since the end of WW1, you don't even need to be a brainwahsed rabib rving mad nationalist to admit this, its common knowledge

Preshevo - Serbian
Kosovo - Serbian
Albania - Albanian

Partition in Kosovo would NOT imply the readjustment of other borders to suit Albanians.

I agree with the point about the new government being less cooperative. Serbia should make its agenda clear - including the full return of Kosovo to its control, with the partition being an intermediate step.

Albanians have a mono-ethnic mentality. It provoked the previous conflicts and should not be rewarded.
(Bob, 18 July 2012 19:12)

Preshevo - Albanian
Kosovo - Albanian
Albania - Albanian
Sandzak- Bosnian
Republika Srpska-Bosnian
Vojvodina- Hungarian
Timoc- Romanian
Bosilegrad-Bulgarian

Serbs waged four wars, against the Slovenians,Croatians,Bosnians,Albanians and the Albanians are the ones with a mono-ethnic mentality?

The only solution is for Serbia to stay as united as possible and as quite as possible until the geopolitical situation changes and Serbia can go to the lost and found and reclaim what was stolen.Maybe then follow Israel's lead and build a wall on Kosovo-Metohija's border with Albania. Amazing Albanians don't deserve what they stole yet they want Presevo as some kind of exchange. The humbris with which Albanianns speak is amazing. The imperialism of the small requires American soldiers to keep Serbs awy from their land.Read my lips NO PARTITION!

Any partition of Kosovo must concern itself with the existence of some kind of border between Serbia and Albania since the border between Albanian controlled Kosovo and Albania can be considered to be nonexistent. While we can see that Albanians can live unmolested in Serb controlled territory, it is also clear that Serbs cannot live unmolested in Albanian controlled territory. And Albanians have proven that they only marginally control things themselves even where they represent the sole population.

The only realistic partition is between Kosovo and Albania with Kosovo controlled by Serbia containing autonomous regions of Albanians and borders between Kosovo and Albania controlled jointly by Serbs and Albanians.

Albanians own nothing. KOSOVO is not yours Albanians and no other part of Serbia will ever be either. The day will come and is not far distant when your f NATO friends will not be there for you to hide behind. Let us then see what will be, you are no match for the Serbian people on your own. Big mouths hiding behind NATO, when they go we shall see who will run from who, my money is on Serbia little albanians.

"He believes that Serbia has a chance to change the dynamics of its relations with Washington.

“But in order to do that it needs to act more independently and to be less obedient to Washington or Brussels than the previous government,” Meyer added."

That's exactly the U-turn Serbia needs !

Crna Ruka what about before 1690, since you claim Kosovo based on a lost battle in the 14 century. I'm sure Hunyad had a battle in Vojvodina at some point which makes the Hungarian claims just as valid. Just because you overpopulated that area with Serbs doesn't mean it belongs to you. Using a Serb argument here. 600 years ago Vojvodina was Hungarian. They will never give up. They waited for 500 years under the Ottomans they can wait another few years to get back whats theirs. How about this as a Serb argument.

This is a joke, if partition of Kosova is on the table, you better bet your every dime you got, so is Montenegro, Macedonia and Serbia. You wanna mess with the borders, we will show you what really belongs to Albanians. I really do hope partition is something they're considering. This is even better for us.

little over 100 years ago, Kosovo had a Serbian majority, and a few decades before that, Kosovo was 80-90% Serbian. In the last 100 years, Albanians have changed that. Why do the Albanian posters here think that if they populate an area by intimidating, killing and driving out the people that were there before them and eventually become a majority, then that means that land now belongs to them? Kosovo belongs to Serbia and it belonged to Serbia when Turkish occupiers occupied it and it still belongs to Serbia now that Albanian occupiers occupy it. Turkey held onto Serbian land for 500 years and Serbia never stopped fighting and eventually drove them out, and Albanians are not nearly as powerful as Turkey was, so how long do they think they will be able to occupy Kosovo?
(Crna Ruka, 18 July 2012 20:45)

What about Vojvodina less than 100 years ago had MAjority Hungarian and today is Serbian so waht is your point???

Presevo - Albanian in Presevo only.
Kosovo - Oops, I thought it was "Kosovars".
Sandzak - 50% Muslim Serb
Republika Srpska - 97% Serb
Vojvodina - ~65% Serb
Timok - 85% Serb

You got Albania and Bosilegrad and Albania right. The rest, well the rest of us do have access to the internet to fact check.
(Check your Demographics Mark, 18 July 2012 22:29)

Do all the fact check you want. If you Serbs want to split Kosovo because there are 5% Serbs in there, then every area in Serbia itself that has at least 5% minority should be split.You heard from the Romanians and the Bulgarians right before Serbia got the EU candidate status.You heard from the Hungarian guy yesterday.With the Albanians and Bosnians you still have unfinished business.So i am just hoping that Nikolic goes down that road.

"The Serbian people need to wake up to what partition really means: surrender."
(Sergei, 18 July 2012 19:06)

Sergei, sincerely, I think you misunderstand the state of the Serbs. They are not sleeping, they are just very tired. Being in 4 wars, the last one in your own home, has got to be exhausting. Especially, if they produce no benefits whatsoever.

Bilbao, you don't know what you are talking about, you make up things and expect people to just believe it. Serbs have always been the majority in Vojvodina, and even if they weren't, just because a people populate and drive out the population of an area, doesn't mean that the area now belongs to them.
Vojvodina is Serbian, no matter who decides they want to occupy it. Here is the demographic history of Vojvodina, showing the major ethnic groups in the area.

1690 100% Serbs
1715 97.6% Serbs
1718 72% Serbs
1787 59.2% Serbs, 12.4% Germans, 10% Hungarian
1828 51.1% Serbs, 16.4% Germans, 15.1% Hungarian
1840 49.1% Serbs, 16.9% Germans, 16% Hungarian
1857 40.5% Serbs, 21.1% Germans, 19.6% Hungarian
1880 35.5% Serbs, 24.4% Germans, 22.6% Hungarian
1890 34.4% Serbs, 24.4% Germans, 24.2% Hungarian
1900 33.7% Serbs, 23.5% Germans, 26.4% Hungarian
1910 33.8% Serbs, 21.4% Germans, 28.1% Hungarian
1921 34.7% Serbs, 22% Germans, 24.4% Hungarian
1931 33% Serbs, 21% Germans, 26% Hungarian
1941 35.3% Serbs, 19.4% Germans, 28.5% Hungarian
1948 50.6% Serbs, 25.8% Hungarian
1953 50.9% Serbs, 25.6% Hungarian
1961 54.9% Serbs, 23.9% Hungarian
1971 55.8% Serbs, 21.7% Hungarian
1981 54.4% Serbs, 18.9% Hungarian
1991 57.2% Serbs, 16.9% Hungarian
2002 65.05% Serbs, 14.28% Hungarian

(Nikolle, 19 July 2012 17:56)
Slavs (incl. serbian tribes) settled territory of today's Vojvodina at 6th century. Later this territory was ruled by Slav Voivodes. Name of province comes from "Voivode" - so name of province has slavic origin.
Hungarians comes at 10th-12th century, conquered this territorry and started to replace local Slavs by Hungarians.
But in Voivodina all time lives substantial number of Slavs (Serbs).

And Voivodina was part of serbian states - in 15th-16th century it was part of Serbian Despotate under rule of Branković dynasty (mayby some parts earlier was part of Sremska Kraljevina)
And from medieval - in Vojvodina was strong serbian culture and religion - bishop Arsenije Sremac born in 13th century on Vojvodina territory, and in 15-16th century Serbs build lot of monuments like monasteries on Fruška Gora (but also is some monuments from earliest times - Kovlij and Mesić Monasteries from 13th century, Vojlovica Monastery from 14th century).
So my dear Nikolle - look at Vojvodina an look at Kosovo. In Vojvodina was from 6th century substantial slavic/serbian population. In Kosovo was any alkbanian substantial population until end of 17th century. In Vojvodina were medieval serbian feudal states, Kosovo was never in past part of any albanian state, in Vojvodina is lot of old serbian monuments, Kosovo is any albanian medieval culture monuments.

I wouldn't call Dr. Steven E. Meyer by his (former) CIA credentials. I would rather refer to him by his current credentials, as the highly paid spokesperson of the "Serbian Unity Congress".

His statement is a wishful thinking of SUC, an organization registered in the United States, that clearly advocated for the regime of Slobodan Milosevic, and stood silent during the worst atrocities in the Balkans on the second part of the 20th century.

The only realistic partition is between Kosovo and Albania with Kosovo controlled by Serbia containing autonomous regions of Albanians and borders between Kosovo and Albania controlled jointly by Serbs and Albanians.
(Paul, 18 July 2012 22:23)

Your dream will never come true. I suggest you wake up and smell the coffee.

what the hell are you talking about? not all slavic people are serbs! look around, maybe Tokyo was Serb majority populated in the 1200's too!

Mark

Just curious Mark! Why didn't you include Republika Srpska go to Serbia and Norhtern Epirus in south Albania go to Greece?

Besides, what you albanians do to Macedonia we don't care about. Macedonia has chosen sides by recognizing Kosovo as independent.
(MikeC, 18 July 2012 18:24)

We dont care for RS either non of u=our Business to tell you the truth!!!

As well as SOuth Epirus go look your self nothing greek there either.

Presevo vally to Kosovo North to Serbia and we have a deal.

I just saw in Kosovo they are pushing for a coalition between Ramush party and Thaqi Radicals and in Serbia already Radical Toma and Dacic something is cooking and this will be a great solution in my opinion.

Correction
1690 - almost 100% Serbs
1718 97.6% Serbs, Bunjevci, and Sokci

Rilax Nikolle - I know, that albanian version of history are rich in myths. But You must start to read real history.
Tell me please who was bishop Arsenije Sremac born around 1230???? Hungarian?? Or maybe Albanian?? No dear Nikolle - he was Serb from territory of today's Vojvodina.
But it's not all... If You will read 15th century hungarian chronicle of Johannes de Thurocz - You can read lot about Serbs on the territory of today's Vojvodina in 11th-12th century. About serbian nobles Uroš, Vukana and Pavle from Bačka. In different hungarian documents from 13th century we know other names of Serbs lived in Bačka or Banat Jo­van, Marko, Grgur, Poznan, Iva­nić and others. etc. etc.

That's not but medieval documents. Nothing more - than real history - not albanian propaganda.

By 2014 South stream will be operational and Russia will supply 50% of all EU’s energy needs so who do you think will have more influence? Russia or a broke US?
(sj, 18 July 2012 15:33)

None of the two; the EU since Russia will depend on EU's payments for the oil (unless, of course, you're saying that Russia will give the oil for free because Serbia's dreams about Kosovo are Russia's no. 1 national priority).

But your analysis as CE of B92 forums still remains brilliant as always, just not for the real world :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Serbs in northern Kosova are 2-3 % of the population in Kosova. Albanians in western Macedonia make up 25-30 % of the population there.

So What about partition ????


We are more than happy to get Preshevo Valley and western part of Macedonia in exchange with Leposavic, Zubin potok and Zvecan. Mitrovica as one city belongs to Kosova.

There is not such a thing of Kosovo partition without a whole border change in the Balkans. If north Kosovo goes to Serbia then why shouldn't Presevo Valley go to Kosovo, or Vojvodina to Hungary, or Sandzak to Bosnia? I hope Nikolic and Dacic push hard on partition.

Mark and Demi, Dream on. The West and Europe is done with Albanian "Land". Partion Kosovo and move on.
(Dennis, 18 July 2012 18:34)


Why starting with partition of the whole region for the sake of some small portion of Serbs in northern Kosova? No reason to partition Kosova since majority of K.serbs live in southern Kosova. The West is tired of serb territorial claim on every country in the region. That is why Kosova Will stay independent as a whole and Serbia will have to move on.

If serbs dont stop claiming territory Then no Eu for Serbia!

Preshevo - Serbian
Kosovo - Serbian
Albania - Albanian

Partition in Kosovo would NOT imply the readjustment of other borders to suit Albanians.

I agree with the point about the new government being less cooperative. Serbia should make its agenda clear - including the full return of Kosovo to its control, with the partition being an intermediate step.

Albanians have a mono-ethnic mentality. It provoked the previous conflicts and should not be rewarded.

FULLY AGREE - all MUslim intruders back to Turkey and Albania and everybody is happy! FAIR solution...NO stealing land from Europeans!
(to nikshala, 18 July 2012 18:11)


You mean all Rusian gypsies goes back to Asia where they came from to steal Albanian land?. Albanians are more europeans than Serbs. This is proven by the Albanian DNA. Religion dosent matter on this matter.

'A rock rest best on it's native land'

Preshevo - Serbian
Kosovo - Serbian
Albania - Albanian

Partition in Kosovo would NOT imply the readjustment of other borders to suit Albanians.

I agree with the point about the new government being less cooperative. Serbia should make its agenda clear - including the full return of Kosovo to its control, with the partition being an intermediate step.

Albanians have a mono-ethnic mentality. It provoked the previous conflicts and should not be rewarded.
(Bob, 18 July 2012 19:12)

Preshevo - Albanian
Kosovo - Albanian
Albania - Albanian
Sandzak- Bosnian
Republika Srpska-Bosnian
Vojvodina- Hungarian
Timoc- Romanian
Bosilegrad-Bulgarian

Serbs waged four wars, against the Slovenians,Croatians,Bosnians,Albanians and the Albanians are the ones with a mono-ethnic mentality?

There is no such thing as partition of Kosovo - we are either talking a redefining borders across the region (including Presheva, Macedonia, Albania, Bosnia) or partition should not be discussed at all. The chain effect of partition of Kosovo cannot be avoided and should not be seen in isolation.

Personally I think redrawing borders might avoid future conflicts. Multi-ethnicity hasn't worked in western europe and it much less likely to work in the Balkans for obvious reasons.

“….has not changed for the last 15 years” and added that the U.S. administration “will stick to the policy of Kosovo’s independence and position that Serbia needs to join the EU and NATO”.
“Americans will not strongly pressure Belgrade any time soon, meaning until Belgrade makes its position clearer. Therefore, the first question is not what the U.S. policy will be like but what Belgrade’s policy will be like,” said Meyer.

This is the nonsense being taught at the US military University today and is there any wonder that the US is going backwards in leaps and bounds.
Hey does anyone with a brain think that the US will not or has not pressured Belgrade???????? What was the US assistant Secretary doing in Belgrade recently???? Getting a suntan? No, he was there to put pressure or try to anyway. If the US could put pressure on Serbia to recognize Kosovo and succeed it would do it tomorrow. Once again US BS at its best.
“He believes that Serbia has a chance to change the dynamics of its relations with Washington. “
This is best referred to as the delusion complex, as if anyone cares about changing dynamics with Washington. Militarily, the US is in full retreat from all over the world and this is not a throwaway line but pure fact. By 2014 South stream will be operational and Russia will supply 50% of all EU’s energy needs so who do you think will have more influence? Russia or a broke US?
The only logical statement Meyer has made is portioning of Kosovo.

This is a joke, if partition of Kosova is on the table, you better bet your every dime you got, so is Montenegro, Macedonia and Serbia. You wanna mess with the borders, we will show you what really belongs to Albanians. I really do hope partition is something they're considering. This is even better for us.

Funny how ex-CIA officials always have opinions that are in direct contrast to what their ordered to push when part of that organization. I wonder what changes their minds? Do they get that jaded when working for the CIA or do they just get their brains back upon retirement? :)

""why shouldn't Presevo Valley go to Kosovo, or Vojvodina to Hungary, or Sandzak to Bosnia? ""

Because those not are frozen conflicts and as such are not under discussion in the UN.

“In short, Kosovo has basically become a frozen conflict and I do not expect this to change any time soon. I have been saying for the last ten years that the partition is the only fair solution,” he concluded.

Another case that people from intelligence agencies realize things sooner than ordinary politicians who often lives in denial.

“In short, Kosovo has basically become a frozen conflict and I do not expect this to change any time soon. I have been saying for the last ten years that the partition is the only fair solution,” he concluded.
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It was the only fair solution in Croatia and BiH also, which would have solved the current problems years ago. However, the ego of the West (i.e. might is right) means we are still battling unfair agendas. This translates into very costly measures by Western governments and money being poured down black holes. In the end, they end up losing.

Personally I think redrawing borders might avoid future conflicts. Multi-ethnicity hasn't worked in western europe and it much less likely to work in the Balkans for obvious reasons.
(nikshala, 18 July 2012 16:43)

FULLY AGREE - all MUslim intruders back to Turkey and Albania and everybody is happy! FAIR solution...NO stealing land from Europeans!

"There is not such a thing of Kosovo partition without a whole border change in the Balkans. If north Kosovo goes to Serbia then why shouldn't Presevo Valley go to Kosovo, or Vojvodina to Hungary, or Sandzak to Bosnia?"

Mark

Just curious Mark! Why didn't you include Republika Srpska go to Serbia and Norhtern Epirus in south Albania go to Greece?

Besides, what you albanians do to Macedonia we don't care about. Macedonia has chosen sides by recognizing Kosovo as independent.

Demi:

According to your logic, what about the Greeks in Albania, don't they deserve partition? You abide by the Islamic perspective, being, we are the majority in one area of your country, so now it belongs to us. It doesn't work that way, otherwise, every country in the world would be partitioned along ethnic lines. You Albos are a strange breed, what's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine. You know what you can do what that philosophy?

Mark and Demi, Dream on. The West and Europe is done with Albanian "Land". Partion Kosovo and move on.

A little over 100 years ago, Kosovo had a Serbian majority, and a few decades before that, Kosovo was 80-90% Serbian. In the last 100 years, Albanians have changed that. Why do the Albanian posters here think that if they populate an area by intimidating, killing and driving out the people that were there before them and eventually become a majority, then that means that land now belongs to them? Kosovo belongs to Serbia and it belonged to Serbia when Turkish occupiers occupied it and it still belongs to Serbia now that Albanian occupiers occupy it. Turkey held onto Serbian land for 500 years and Serbia never stopped fighting and eventually drove them out, and Albanians are not nearly as powerful as Turkey was, so how long do they think they will be able to occupy Kosovo?

Partition is capitulation, make no mistake about it. There is no way to accept partition without finally and irrevocably giving away over 90% of Kosovo. What is more, partition always was the final solution envisioned by the US once both sides arrived, or were lead, to the idea that it was in their best interests. What is particularly troubling is that Serbia's nominal nationalists are apparently buying in, that is evident both from the statements coming out of the new coalition and the commentary of many non-DS Serbs here. I don't hear the same acceptance from the Kalbanians, but than again they don't really have a say in the mater; they will do what they are told by their colonial masters. The Serbian people need to wake up to what partition really means: surrender.

Any partition of Kosovo must concern itself with the existence of some kind of border between Serbia and Albania since the border between Albanian controlled Kosovo and Albania can be considered to be nonexistent. While we can see that Albanians can live unmolested in Serb controlled territory, it is also clear that Serbs cannot live unmolested in Albanian controlled territory. And Albanians have proven that they only marginally control things themselves even where they represent the sole population.

The only realistic partition is between Kosovo and Albania with Kosovo controlled by Serbia containing autonomous regions of Albanians and borders between Kosovo and Albania controlled jointly by Serbs and Albanians.

If north Kosovo goes to Serbia then why shouldn't Presevo Valley go to Kosovo, or Vojvodina to Hungary, or Sandzak to Bosnia? I hope Nikolic and Dacic push hard on partition.
(Mark, 18 July 2012 18:04)

None of those other areas are under territorial dispute. Kosovo is. No need to fear similar cases in Bosnia, Macedonia, or Albania. The Serbs of Bosnia are happy in RS. No one support the Albanians in Macedonia. Where is Sandzak going to partition into? RS? Think before you try to pass yourself off as someone who knows something.

"The West is tired of serb territorial claim on every country in the region."

Demi

This must be the comment of the year! Albanians and HATO take Kosovo by force from Serbia and now Serbia is blamed for having a territorial claim of the territory that was stolen from her? You must be a Pristina politician with comments like that!

“But in order to do that it needs to act more independently and to be less obedient to Washington or Brussels than the previous government,” Meyer added.

Exactly, no one will respect Serbia until Serbia starts respecting itself.

we will show you what really belongs to Albanians.
(Eagle, 18 July 2012 20:12)

What "really" belongs to Albanians is far less than what the civilized world gave you in 1912. Let's start by taking away Northern Epirus and giving it back to Greece. Skadar would be a lot better as part of Montenegro.

there is nothing to be divided, it´s all serbian territory and the US know that. that´s why they are trying to push for a division, since they know very well that geopolitic conditions are shifting.

no, if necessary let it be a "frozen conflict" until the right moment for liberation is at hand.

we will not let the Albanians get away with what is ours. never.

Mark

Just curious Mark! Why didn't you include Republika Srpska go to Serbia and Norhtern Epirus in south Albania go to Greece?

Besides, what you albanians do to Macedonia we don't care about. Macedonia has chosen sides by recognizing Kosovo as independent.
(MikeC, 18 July 2012 18:24)

We dont care for RS either non of u=our Business to tell you the truth!!!

As well as SOuth Epirus go look your self nothing greek there either.

Presevo vally to Kosovo North to Serbia and we have a deal.

I just saw in Kosovo they are pushing for a coalition between Ramush party and Thaqi Radicals and in Serbia already Radical Toma and Dacic something is cooking and this will be a great solution in my opinion.

Presevo - Albanian in Presevo only.
Kosovo - Oops, I thought it was "Kosovars".
Sandzak - 50% Muslim Serb
Republika Srpska - 97% Serb
Vojvodina - ~65% Serb
Timok - 85% Serb

You got Albania and Bosilegrad and Albania right. The rest, well the rest of us do have access to the internet to fact check.
(Check your Demographics Mark, 18 July 2012 22:29)

Do all the fact check you want. If you Serbs want to split Kosovo because there are 5% Serbs in there, then every area in Serbia itself that has at least 5% minority should be split.You heard from the Romanians and the Bulgarians right before Serbia got the EU candidate status.You heard from the Hungarian guy yesterday.With the Albanians and Bosnians you still have unfinished business.So i am just hoping that Nikolic goes down that road.

The only realistic partition is between Kosovo and Albania with Kosovo controlled by Serbia containing autonomous regions of Albanians and borders between Kosovo and Albania controlled jointly by Serbs and Albanians.
(Paul, 18 July 2012 22:23)

Your dream will never come true. I suggest you wake up and smell the coffee.

The only solution is for Serbia to stay as united as possible and as quite as possible until the geopolitical situation changes and Serbia can go to the lost and found and reclaim what was stolen.Maybe then follow Israel's lead and build a wall on Kosovo-Metohija's border with Albania. Amazing Albanians don't deserve what they stole yet they want Presevo as some kind of exchange. The humbris with which Albanianns speak is amazing. The imperialism of the small requires American soldiers to keep Serbs awy from their land.Read my lips NO PARTITION!

(Nikolle, 19 July 2012 17:56)
Slavs (incl. serbian tribes) settled territory of today's Vojvodina at 6th century. Later this territory was ruled by Slav Voivodes. Name of province comes from "Voivode" - so name of province has slavic origin.
Hungarians comes at 10th-12th century, conquered this territorry and started to replace local Slavs by Hungarians.
But in Voivodina all time lives substantial number of Slavs (Serbs).

And Voivodina was part of serbian states - in 15th-16th century it was part of Serbian Despotate under rule of Branković dynasty (mayby some parts earlier was part of Sremska Kraljevina)
And from medieval - in Vojvodina was strong serbian culture and religion - bishop Arsenije Sremac born in 13th century on Vojvodina territory, and in 15-16th century Serbs build lot of monuments like monasteries on Fruška Gora (but also is some monuments from earliest times - Kovlij and Mesić Monasteries from 13th century, Vojlovica Monastery from 14th century).
So my dear Nikolle - look at Vojvodina an look at Kosovo. In Vojvodina was from 6th century substantial slavic/serbian population. In Kosovo was any alkbanian substantial population until end of 17th century. In Vojvodina were medieval serbian feudal states, Kosovo was never in past part of any albanian state, in Vojvodina is lot of old serbian monuments, Kosovo is any albanian medieval culture monuments.

We are more than happy to get Preshevo Valley and western part of Macedonia in exchange with Leposavic, Zubin potok and Zvecan. Mitrovica as one city belongs to Kosova.
(Demi, 18 July 2012 17:09)

Presevo Valley and Macedonia are not parts of Kosovo*. Northern Mitrovica is not part of Kosovo* either. Try being smart for a change.

Preshevo - Albanian
Kosovo - Albanian
Albania - Albanian
Sandzak- Bosnian
Republika Srpska-Bosnian
Vojvodina- Hungarian
Timoc- Romanian
Bosilegrad-Bulgarian
(Mark, 18 July 2012 19:48)

Presevo - Albanian in Presevo only.
Kosovo - Oops, I thought it was "Kosovars".
Sandzak - 50% Muslim Serb
Republika Srpska - 97% Serb
Vojvodina - ~65% Serb
Timok - 85% Serb

You got Albania and Bosilegrad and Albania right. The rest, well the rest of us do have access to the internet to fact check.

Agree!North Kosovo to Serbia ,part of Macedonia to Albanians.This is the only solution for clean teritory and Balkan peace...

Albanians own nothing. KOSOVO is not yours Albanians and no other part of Serbia will ever be either. The day will come and is not far distant when your f NATO friends will not be there for you to hide behind. Let us then see what will be, you are no match for the Serbian people on your own. Big mouths hiding behind NATO, when they go we shall see who will run from who, my money is on Serbia little albanians.

little over 100 years ago, Kosovo had a Serbian majority, and a few decades before that, Kosovo was 80-90% Serbian. In the last 100 years, Albanians have changed that. Why do the Albanian posters here think that if they populate an area by intimidating, killing and driving out the people that were there before them and eventually become a majority, then that means that land now belongs to them? Kosovo belongs to Serbia and it belonged to Serbia when Turkish occupiers occupied it and it still belongs to Serbia now that Albanian occupiers occupy it. Turkey held onto Serbian land for 500 years and Serbia never stopped fighting and eventually drove them out, and Albanians are not nearly as powerful as Turkey was, so how long do they think they will be able to occupy Kosovo?
(Crna Ruka, 18 July 2012 20:45)

What about Vojvodina less than 100 years ago had MAjority Hungarian and today is Serbian so waht is your point???

at this stage i'm starting to think maybe america had a 100% serb population in 1690. where on earth do you people get your statistics, the serb orthodox church? that very unbiased source of info? Vojvodina has only been a part of Serbia since the end of WW1, you don't even need to be a brainwahsed rabib rving mad nationalist to admit this, its common knowledge

what the hell are you talking about? not all slavic people are serbs! look around, maybe Tokyo was Serb majority populated in the 1200's too!

"The Serbian people need to wake up to what partition really means: surrender."
(Sergei, 18 July 2012 19:06)

Sergei, sincerely, I think you misunderstand the state of the Serbs. They are not sleeping, they are just very tired. Being in 4 wars, the last one in your own home, has got to be exhausting. Especially, if they produce no benefits whatsoever.

"He believes that Serbia has a chance to change the dynamics of its relations with Washington.

“But in order to do that it needs to act more independently and to be less obedient to Washington or Brussels than the previous government,” Meyer added."

That's exactly the U-turn Serbia needs !

Bilbao, you don't know what you are talking about, you make up things and expect people to just believe it. Serbs have always been the majority in Vojvodina, and even if they weren't, just because a people populate and drive out the population of an area, doesn't mean that the area now belongs to them.
Vojvodina is Serbian, no matter who decides they want to occupy it. Here is the demographic history of Vojvodina, showing the major ethnic groups in the area.

1690 100% Serbs
1715 97.6% Serbs
1718 72% Serbs
1787 59.2% Serbs, 12.4% Germans, 10% Hungarian
1828 51.1% Serbs, 16.4% Germans, 15.1% Hungarian
1840 49.1% Serbs, 16.9% Germans, 16% Hungarian
1857 40.5% Serbs, 21.1% Germans, 19.6% Hungarian
1880 35.5% Serbs, 24.4% Germans, 22.6% Hungarian
1890 34.4% Serbs, 24.4% Germans, 24.2% Hungarian
1900 33.7% Serbs, 23.5% Germans, 26.4% Hungarian
1910 33.8% Serbs, 21.4% Germans, 28.1% Hungarian
1921 34.7% Serbs, 22% Germans, 24.4% Hungarian
1931 33% Serbs, 21% Germans, 26% Hungarian
1941 35.3% Serbs, 19.4% Germans, 28.5% Hungarian
1948 50.6% Serbs, 25.8% Hungarian
1953 50.9% Serbs, 25.6% Hungarian
1961 54.9% Serbs, 23.9% Hungarian
1971 55.8% Serbs, 21.7% Hungarian
1981 54.4% Serbs, 18.9% Hungarian
1991 57.2% Serbs, 16.9% Hungarian
2002 65.05% Serbs, 14.28% Hungarian

Correction
1690 - almost 100% Serbs
1718 97.6% Serbs, Bunjevci, and Sokci

I wouldn't call Dr. Steven E. Meyer by his (former) CIA credentials. I would rather refer to him by his current credentials, as the highly paid spokesperson of the "Serbian Unity Congress".

His statement is a wishful thinking of SUC, an organization registered in the United States, that clearly advocated for the regime of Slobodan Milosevic, and stood silent during the worst atrocities in the Balkans on the second part of the 20th century.

Crna Ruka what about before 1690, since you claim Kosovo based on a lost battle in the 14 century. I'm sure Hunyad had a battle in Vojvodina at some point which makes the Hungarian claims just as valid. Just because you overpopulated that area with Serbs doesn't mean it belongs to you. Using a Serb argument here. 600 years ago Vojvodina was Hungarian. They will never give up. They waited for 500 years under the Ottomans they can wait another few years to get back whats theirs. How about this as a Serb argument.

Rilax Nikolle - I know, that albanian version of history are rich in myths. But You must start to read real history.
Tell me please who was bishop Arsenije Sremac born around 1230???? Hungarian?? Or maybe Albanian?? No dear Nikolle - he was Serb from territory of today's Vojvodina.
But it's not all... If You will read 15th century hungarian chronicle of Johannes de Thurocz - You can read lot about Serbs on the territory of today's Vojvodina in 11th-12th century. About serbian nobles Uroš, Vukana and Pavle from Bačka. In different hungarian documents from 13th century we know other names of Serbs lived in Bačka or Banat Jo­van, Marko, Grgur, Poznan, Iva­nić and others. etc. etc.

That's not but medieval documents. Nothing more - than real history - not albanian propaganda.

By 2014 South stream will be operational and Russia will supply 50% of all EU’s energy needs so who do you think will have more influence? Russia or a broke US?
(sj, 18 July 2012 15:33)

None of the two; the EU since Russia will depend on EU's payments for the oil (unless, of course, you're saying that Russia will give the oil for free because Serbia's dreams about Kosovo are Russia's no. 1 national priority).

But your analysis as CE of B92 forums still remains brilliant as always, just not for the real world :)

P.S. CE = Chief Economist