Kosovo visit in line with Resolution 1244, UN head says

"Ban told Radio Television of Serbia (RTS) that he would visit six countries and Kosovo, but underlined that his visit to Kosovo would be in line with the UN Security Council Resolution 1244."

Six countries - and one Kosovo :)

Kosovo is not a state! If Ban Ki-moon does not respect the 1244, who will?

(J.Oker, 14 July 2012 13:19)
But note that was not a direct quote so there is really no way to tell exactly what was said be fore Serbian media translation. However notice how he danced around all questions, very careful not to refer to Kosovo as a Serbia province either.
So translate however makes you happy.

ecoman, 14 July 2012 17:02)
As an American I choose to call Kosovo a free and independent nation because that is what my govt ad 90 others choose to call it. UN membership is not the deciding factor of whether a nation is independent nor sovereign.
Notice he refers to Kosovo as Kosovo not as anything else and not Kosovo* nor the Serbian Province of Kosovo. For me that is enough for now. I know the people of Kosovo want the whole ballgame but most know that it is going to take time. UN membership is decorations on the cake, but even without it the cake has been baked and with the announcement of the steering group it has now had the icing placed.
I am happy to know that the people of Kosovo will never have to live in fear of Serbian oppression again, that is enough for me.

Six countries and Kosovo, not Kosova, which the derelict Clinton liked to say. If the UN viewed Kosovo as an independent country, Ban would have said seven nations. No matter how much the USA and the EU want to present KiM as an independent Albanian nation, it is not. Only the UN, and its general assembly, can give nation status to a territory. That has not been the case with KiM, and it may never be. The world is tired of America's nation building projects, and the theft of land from sovereign nations.

Six countries - and one Kosovo :)
(J.Oker, 14 July 2012 13:19)

You wish ;)

Six countries in total: 1.Slovenia, 2.Croatia, 3.Serbia, 4.Bosnia, 5.Kosovo and 6.Bosnia.

Serbian medias 'lack' in translation.

Well, what I say over and over again: if Kosovo is a country then let it apply for UN membership. Like South Sudan or East Timor.
Why not do it today?
And see what will happen.

Please stop the Kosovo joke. And learn to live together please!

"pss" wrote:"So translate however makes you happy"

well pss, my dear k-albanian friends..., since it took thre lines and forty-five words for you to interpret the article in a way that makes you happy, ...I guess now you are satisfied, right? =)

the mere mentioning of UNSCR 1244 by Mr.Moon however is a slap in every greater-Albanian´s face. if you feel happy or not, I don´t really care, but I must admit that your comment made me smile.

pss, Ban did not refer to KiM as a nation, and he will not, and cannot, because they are not a member of the United Nations, period. As much as the USA/Germany would love for KiM to be a UN member, they are impotent in making that happen. It is up to individual UN member states, and then the UNSC to decide, good luck. In the mean time, Pristina's KiM project will be referred to with an asterisk, as Serbia's province, as a UN protectorate, whatever, but never as an independent nation, because it is not. pss, you are free to call yourself whatever you like, whatever makes you happy.

"But note that was not a direct quote so there is really no way to tell exactly what was said be fore Serbian media translation. "
(pss, 14 July 2012 15:33)

You are right. I checked the news about the visit on the official UN website, there's indeed no mention of the word 'country', but only the names of the places he will visit. But I noticed that for every country, the names of the officials (presidents and ministers) he will meet are mentioned, while in the sentence about Kosovo, the wording is (notice the order/priorities)

"Mr. Ban then goes to Kosovo, where he will visit the UN Interim Administration Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK). While there, he will meet with international and regional organizations and with Kosovo authorities. He will also visit the Visoki Decani monastery, a UNESCO World Heritage Site, as well as the city of Prizren."

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=42471&Cr=Ban+ki-moon&Cr1=travel

Six countries - and one Kosovo :)
(J.Oker, 14 July 2012 13:19)

You wish ;)

Six countries in total: 1.Slovenia, 2.Croatia, 3.Serbia, 4.Bosnia, 5.Kosovo and 6.Bosnia.

Serbian medias 'lack' in translation.
(Hrvat, 14 July 2012 18:40)

#4 or 6 is Montenegro. I know you meant to write that.

Having said that, I suggest not to waste time to convince unconvinced Serb diaspora. I gave up on that long ago. Local Serbs in Serbia know the truth, but are to afraid to speak up.

the mere mentioning of UNSCR 1244 by Mr.Moon however is a slap in every greater-Albanian´s face. if you feel happy or not, I don´t really care, but I must admit that your comment made me smile.
(Jovan, 14 July 2012 16:36)
Considering the fact that I am not Albanian, I do not have to worry about that slap in the face. I am the biggest supporter of 1244, someone pulled the wool over Serbs eyes and have them waving banners celebrating a document that forced Serb police and forces out of Kosovo and prohibit any return without approval. Removes any Serbian control over Kosovo economically, physically, politically.
Now your new govt is going to negotiate a special status for the Serb enclaves especially the north (Ahtisaari Plan but we will not mention that) in exchange for not recognition but agreement not to dispute it.
And then claim it as a huge victory and you and your friends will be dancing in the street over the big victory

whoohooo... seems like I´ve hit a nerve here! or how would you interpret these ambitioned reactions here? =)

my dear k-albanian friends, ...STILL , ..distraction is no substitute for rational arguments!

@glad you like it: I am quite fine with you liking it, but I doubt that you have really understood the text you yourself have posted...

"Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2,"

well, and I really hope I do not have to explain to you what the term "legal succession" means, because otherwise you might be a little bit disappointed here.

"Reaffirming the call in previous resolutions for substantial autonomy and meaningful self-administration for Kosovo"

substantial autonomy or call it even meaningful self-administration, ...but independence is something you will never, let me repeat it for you, NEVER have! the temporary occupiers will stay for a certain time, yes, but once they are gone..., the political framework is already set, my dear.

as for the other kid, "silly boy", well need I say more, actually?

with you K-albanians it is just like with a young boy having drunk too much, you are still canned right after a booze and you feel strong, even if you actually are not. but sooner or later you will wake up.that will be quite sobering for you.

bottom-line is: all you can do is sit back and wait.

(Just for Information, 14 July 2012 19:42)

Macedonia is not in the list!

Slovenia, Croatia, Montenegro, Serbia, Kosovo and Bosnia (yes)

link: http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/World/Story/STIStory_822251.html

Another epic fail!

Banki Loon is a disgrace nothing more than a US Puppet,when has he ever spoken out about US Imperialism?

You wish ;)

Six countries in total: 1.Slovenia, 2.Croatia, 3.Serbia, 4.Bosnia, 5.Kosovo and 6.Bosnia.

Serbian medias 'lack' in translation.
(Hrvat, 14 July 2012 18:40)

Well, J.Oker can count and read, while you lack a bit of knowledge. Strange, being a Hrvat, you should know better about former YU members, don't you think? And Bosnia is two countries for you?

So, for you and everyone else, here's the six (1-6) ex-YU countries and the one (A) entity (or whatever you like to call it) Ban will visit on his trip to South-East Europe, in chronological order (taken from the official UN website):

1. Slovenia, 2. Croatia, 3. Montenegro, 4. Serbia, A.(Kosovo),5. FYR of Macedonia, 6. Bosnia and Herzegovina.

isn´t it interesting, actually?

there is an UN-official explicitly referring to UNSCR 1244 and all our dear k-albanian friends are capable of is ( ineffectively ) trying to distract from that with ( already proven ) false claims ( "pss" ) and even entertaining us with his wishful thinking.., or by simply copying contributions of some serbian guys here ( nikole ).

is that all you K-albanian can bring up?
in every regard, be it the desperately wished "illyrian" descent, the alleged albanian churches that were allegedly turned into serbian churches by the "invaders from Siberia"...that are nevertheless being burned down by the albanian mob, despite being "catholic albanian"... or simply any other extremely construed albanian propaganda lie..

when it comes to delivering any real fact or serious source, you simply fail. time and again.

I can only repeat it, on and on.... your comments are simply pathetic. and sometimes at least amusing.

the bottom-line is: UNSCR 1244 is still in effect and with Russia and China there is a rock-solid guarantee that it will stay that way.

and that my dear k-albanian friends...means for you, that you can only sit back and wait for the day when Serbia rises again to liberate what is rightfully, morally and histoically serbian.

as much as you wish to distract from that simple fact: UNSCR 1244 is the alpha and the omega for you, my dear k-albanian friends. this UNSC-Resolution closes the door to your dreams, and that is it. fullstop.

Jovan, let me tell you in simple terms, should your scenario ever come to pass (it never will) you and I will long have been dead. In short, you will not live to see Kosovo 'liberated'. All you can do in the mean time is read more on the glorious feats of Stefan Dushan and imagine that all Albanians are dead. but an imagination is all it will be.

Six countries and Kosovo, not Kosova, which the derelict Clinton liked to say. If the UN viewed Kosovo as an independent country, Ban would have said seven nations.
(ecoman, 14 July 2012 16:13)

Excatly; if the UN viewed Kosovo as a Serbia province Ban would have said, six countries and that's it, not six countries and Kosovo. Thanks for the idea; I had missed that.

as a sidenote: how comes that each and every supporter of the greater albanian cause is claiming to be non-albanian in here?

do you really think that anyone believes in the legend of non-albanians getting involved into arguments here on B92?

why are the Albanians believing that it helps them if they pretend to have so many non-albanian supporters on B92?

is there something like an inferiority-complex at work? the wish of being understood? the wish of being heard, of enjoying some kind of attention?

well, that´s something maybe only our dear k-albanian friends will be able to answer. if at all.

Comm. Parrisson, 14 July 2012 16:43)
Don't you see it as an obvious act of desperation to have to read search for a distinction. I agree that Kosovo is not on an even playing field in the UN as the others mentioned, everyone should accept that. The thing is whether it is mentioned before or after the meeting of the pretty much defunct UNMK officials, he is still meeting with the authorities in Kosovo just as with the others listed.
If he chose not to visit Kosovo and visited all the others would have been significant, also if he chose to visit Kosovo and not the others would have also been significant but not as much.
It is like the * to the rest of the world it is totally insignificant it only matters to Serbs and Albanians and is pretty much viewed as the fude between Greece and Macedonia over the name, the rest of the world pretty much thinks its "much ado about nothing".
Even if the footnote is attached to the nameplate which is silly considering everyone knows what the footnote means, it reminds everyone in the room that Kosovo was Serbia but is no more. It is only Serbs that are desperate that see the flowers growing in a garden that no one else sees.

as much as you wish to distract from that simple fact: UNSCR 1244 is the alpha and the omega for you, my dear k-albanian friends. this UNSC-Resolution closes the door to your dreams, and that is it. fullstop.
(Jovan, 15 July 2012 14:03)

Have you ever read 1244? You really should: http://www.nato.int/kosovo/docu/u990610a.htm

Organizing and overseeing the development of provisional institutions for democratic and autonomous self-government pending a political settlement, including the holding of elections;

Done

Transferring, as these institutions are established, its administrative responsibilities while overseeing and supporting the consolidation of Kosovo's local provisional institutions and other peace-building activities;

Done

Facilitating a political process designed to determine Kosovo's future status, taking into account the Rambouillet accords (S/1999/648);

Done (no mention of Serbia there, just a political process)

In a final stage, overseeing the transfer of authority from Kosovo's provisional institutions to institutions established under a political settlement;

Done

Glad you like it!

kids, where´s the problem with admitting that all your efforts, all the chest-beating about UNSCR 1244 "is dead" was pointless?

I mean, even now you cannot but to ineffectively try to distract and interpret it the way it fits your frustrated souls... =)

okay, I´ll take the time and give you some attention!

first of all @nikole: I think simple terms are what suits you best, my dear k-albanian friend! political changes can, I admit they do not have to, but they CAN change quite quick, it only depends on some few circumstances, and as soon as these change, ...well, if you are so sure about it won´t happen in our lifetimes, then I call on you to build a nice house, if you can afford it ( although I don´t believe that ) even with a nice pool in front of it and enjoy!
as a sidenote: the fascist Albanians in WWII also thought it was all done... =)
@ICJ: you fail to see that UNSCR 1244 is the perfect "icebreaker" once the time has come. when Serbia finally gets ready to liberate southern Serbia, there won´t be any necessity to have an agreement on "numbers" with you K-albananas! and since Serbs are a smart poeple ( just check todays news about the math-wunderkind ) we will find a pretext that suits our cause well.

finally @pss:
in your bitterness u write about todays (occupied) KiM, don´t rely on that, my dear! UNSCR 1244 is what counts, and STILL, all you try is to distract from that fact. let´s see how those "90+" ( mainly little sattelites of the US )will cry a river...

@ICJ: sorry, I missed your second reply, so here a short answer:

"f course, and as ICJ clarified upon Vuk's request, Kosovo's UDI is in accordance with 1244. That's why Kosovo made 1244 part of it's Declaration of Independence and Constitution."
>> what the temporary institutions in Priština made part of their "constitution" is quite irrelevant, actaully. but your claim that the ICJ has clarified anything is simply a joke.
only for academic purposes, although I doubt that you´ve ever seen an academy from inside, the ICJ stated that the simple act of declaring something is not prohibited by international law. so, in simple terms, so that even Nikole gets it, ...even some albanian hot-dog-man in down-town Brooklyn can "declare" independence, with the same effect like these clowns down there in Priština did.
so, this clarification as you call it is just an example of how a ( mainly financed by the US ) court has found a way to keep out of politics. but if it pleases you, and we all know why, then enjoy that pyrrhic victory of yours.. =)

as a hint: the ICJ won´t help you, once the time has come. but it´s nice believing that, isn´t it?
But glad to continue the discussion for academic purposes about the why, how, based on what, etc., etc., etc... :)"

1. Slovenia, 2. Croatia, 3. Montenegro, 4. Serbia, A.(Kosovo),5. FYR of Macedonia, 6. Bosnia and Herzegovina.
(Just for Information, 14 July 2012 19:42)

This is just a lie!

Do you have any source, because I have it.

1. Slovenia (thursday), 2. Croatia, 3. Montenegro, 4. Serbia, 5. Kosovo and 6. Bosnia.

Bring me any source which proves that Ban Ki Moon will visit Macedonia? I am waiting.

In the mean time, Pristina's KiM project will be referred to with an asterisk, as Serbia's province, as a UN protectorate, whatever, but never as an independent nation, because it is not. pss, you are free to call yourself whatever you like, whatever makes you happy.
(ecoman, 14 July 2012 17:02)

I think you are absolutely correct; regardless of the names we choose and the numbers of *, that does not change the fact that Kosovo is independent from Serbia (i.e. Serbia is not in charge in Kosovo) and Serbia's forces cannot return to Kosovo as long as 1244 is in force, except for an agreed number, if and when that number is agreed.

"Considering the fact that I am not Albanian, I do not have to worry about that slap in the face."
>> it doesn´t matter actually, but in case you are not - you write the same nonsense as if you were a rather less intelligent Albanian. so, consider the slap as hitting the right one.

"I am the biggest supporter of 1244, someone pulled the wool over Serbs eyes and have them waving banners celebrating a document that forced Serb police and forces out of Kosovo and prohibit any return without approval. Removes any Serbian control over Kosovo economically, physically, politically. "

>>and once again you are wrong: it was the illegal NATO-aggression that forced serbian forces out of southern Serbia, not UNSCR 1244, you don´t seem to see the difference here. but I am fine with that, too.

as for having no influence in KiM, I think you´re really clueless. those inofficially working in southern KiM let aside, you should ask yourself how much influence Touchy and his brothers in crime have in northern KiM.

"Now your new govt is going to negotiate a special status for the Serb enclaves especially the north (Ahtisaari Plan ) ...you and your friends will be dancing in the street over the big victory"

>> if you are speaking of the kumanovo-agreement, well I would call that a small victory, since NATO felt the need to let their maximum-claims go. in regard to the finnish cripple, his "plan" is dead. and your wishful thinking is rather amusing, actually. better stick to reality, dude.

Pss-believe me,the feeling is reciprocated. The only problem is, the albs are squatting on our land. I was in Split the other day, and even they felt some sympathy for the Serbs having to live the kalbs.

Srboljub

thats really ironic, I too was in Split the other day and they had sympathy for K.Albs having to live with Serbs

and that my dear k-albanian friends...means for you, that you can only sit back and wait for the day when Serbia rises again to liberate what is rightfully, morally and histoically serbian.

as much as you wish to distract from that simple fact: UNSCR 1244 is the alpha and the omega for you, my dear k-albanian friends. this UNSC-Resolution closes the door to your dreams, and that is it. fullstop.
(Jovan, 15 July 2012 14:03)
What is interesting is how incredibly naive some Serbians can be. UNSC does not prevent a final solution for Kosovo as a matter of fact it is one of the PRIME objectives. But the one thing is that as long as it is in force, no matter how high Serbia RISES, Kfor(NATO) has not only the right but the obligation (Mandated by both Russia and China among the other UNSC members) to do whatever is necessary to prevent Serbia's infringement on Kosovo. There is no need and probably will not be a prediscussion at the UNSC but any force will be met with an even stronger force. You would not be able to call an illegal act as it is already sanctioned by the UNSC.

"What is interesting is how incredibly naive some Serbians can be. UNSC does not prevent a final solution for Kosovo as a matter of fact it is one of the PRIME objectives. "
(you silly boy, 15 July 2012 15:09)

Correct. UN1244 has the goal to reach a mutual agreed final status, whatever it will be. So far, no agreement has been reached, UN122 is still in power. Conclusion: Kosovo's status today is not final but still temporary, i.e. Kosovo is a disputed territory, no matter what some people (from the Serbian as well as from the Albanian side) wanna make us believe.

the bottom-line is: UNSCR 1244 is still in effect and with Russia and China there is a rock-solid guarantee that it will stay that way.
(Jovan, 15 July 2012 14:03)

Absolutely; that's the guarantee that Kosovo has that Serbian forces cannot return to Kosovo as long as 1244 is in force, except for an "agreed number" (let us know if and when that number is agreed).

That's why Serbia considered 1244 as one of the darkest pages of UNSC's history being instrumental in a de facto dismemberment of a sovereign European State.

Jovan, 15 July 2012 16:31)
and everyone believes in your interpretation that is why everyday you see Serb police patrolling the streets of Pristina!
Must also be the reason Serbia refused to attend the summit in Croatia with Kosovo being represented as a part of Serbia right?
Or that the so called Minister of Kosovo was unable to attend services in Kosovo as a part of Serbia Kowovo officials would not have been able to refuse.
Or the fact that Serbia readily admitted they could not call local elections in Kosovo eventhough they had done so for the other 10 years.
But as long as there are many like you who believe they are in total control the easier it is going to be for your new govt to completely drop all claims.
Your arguments are old and outdated and disproved by the ICJ, and the 90+countries that have recognized and fully support an independent Kosovo. But feel free to cry to Russia they will stand on a soap box and yell a bunch of rhetoric and maybe send a few outdated supplies to make you feel all warm and fuzzy.

as much as you wish to distract from that simple fact: UNSCR 1244 is the alpha and the omega for you, my dear k-albanian friends.
(Jovan, 15 July 2012 14:03)

Of course, and as ICJ clarified upon Vuk's request, Kosovo's UDI is in accordance with 1244. That's why Kosovo made 1244 part of it's Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

But glad to continue the discussion for academic purposes about the why, how, based on what, etc., etc., etc... :)

actually, the question is rather "who is stubborn here?" =)

my dear "icj1" if you had verified it yourself, you wouldn´t be writing such a nonsense.

that court, still, on the payroll of the US, "ruled" that a declaration of independence is no violation of international law. and in his oral explanations Mr.Hisashi stated the international law contains no prohibition of declarations of independence.

so, dear k-albanian friend, ... being in the law myself, I know very well what is meant and what is said in that ruling. it is a rather political verdict than a real legally binding decision. and in it´s essence it does just say what I have already written about it in my last post.

and mentioning myths... you as an Albanian will know that, since you are desperately clinging to myths... not only the illyrian illusion, also the ridiculous myth of the KLA being a serious military factor...

but there will come the day for myth-busting,my dear k-albanian friend.

if you know it better, you are free to prove the opposite. even if it is only for academic purposes... =)

as for "Jake Fischer" just another albanian having no guts to write under an albanian nick-name, ... I am afraid, my dear, ...you are wrong. this boy is not " a German living in Serbia".

a little bit more reading would have prevented you of that rather naive mistake. he´s a serbian boy, but we all know why you are opposing that...

and that makes us even happier!

So, for you and everyone else, here's the six (1-6) ex-YU countries and the one (A) entity (or whatever you like to call it) Ban will visit on his trip to South-East Europe, in chronological order (taken from the official UN website):
(Just for Information, 14 July 2012 19:42)

Why not call (A) a 'case sui generis'? Kosovo officials used that word as well :)

Nikolle - not ironic, a coincidence.

"In a final stage, overseeing the transfer of authority from Kosovo's provisional institutions to institutions established under a political settlement"

(Glad you like it!, 15 July 2012 15:13)

What should this settlement be? Not the funny UDI, that's obvious

Sorry and glad - you've been served. Ouch!

Just heard a Serb won best young mathematician in the world. Well done.

link: [link]

Another epic fail!
(Srdjan, 14 July 2012 23:39)

Is it really so hard to find the official UN website? Or to follow a link I posted before? But here's the link again (UN news service) for you and others

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=42471&Cr=Ban+ki-moon&Cr1=travel

And, surprise, surprise, what can we read there:

"Following that, the Secretary-General travels to Montenegro, where he will meet with President Filip Vujanovic, Prime Minister Igor Lukšic, and Ranko Krivokapic, Speaker of the Parliament. He will also visit a UN eco-building site and Cetinje, the country’s historical capital."

End of discussion, at least for me :)

"Excatly; if the UN viewed Kosovo as a Serbia province Ban would have said, six countries and that's it, not six countries and Kosovo. Thanks for the idea; I had missed that."
(icj1, 15 July 2012 01:25)

Wise man from Moon Ban know: Kosovo no country, no province, Kosovo case sui generis :)

Just heard a Serb won best young mathematician in the world. Well done.
(Srboljub, 16 July 2012 11:16)

Actually, he is a German living in Serbia. His surname is fon Burg.

ICJ stated that the simple act of declaring something is not prohibited by international law.
(Jovan, 16 July 2012 17:30)

Oh no, here is another one after many others in these forums who say what they've heard others saying without verifying themselves. I have to admitt that Serbs are really stubborn in being wrong, that's why they continue to loose.

ICJ never wrote that "the simple act of declaring something is not prohibited by international law". That's a myth...

thats really ironic, I too was in Split the other day and they had sympathy for K.Albs having to live with Serbs
(Nikolle, 15 July 2012 13:04)
=================================
If they have so much sympathy and affection for you guys why don't they invite you to share Croatia with you? Why didn't your lot go to Croatia and settle there as refugees instead of Montenegro (Serbs) and Macedonia?
How come Croatia has no refugees to worry about? They were only a transit country.
Yep, they really feel sorry for you guys.

my dear "icj1" if you had verified it yourself, you wouldn´t be writing such a nonsense.

that court, still, on the payroll of the US, "ruled" that a declaration of independence is no violation of international law. and in his oral explanations Mr.Hisashi stated the international law contains no prohibition of declarations of independence.

a little bit more reading would have prevented you of that rather naive mistake. he´s a serbian boy, but we all know why you are opposing that...

and that makes us even happier!
(Jovan, 17 July 2012 13:52)

I'm never happy with ignorance... I'm still impatiently waiting for you to show the document and the page of the document where ICJ wrote: "the simple act of declaring something is not prohibited by international law". And, please, the English version not the Serbian one. I know you are very knowledgeable already about what ICJ wrote, but just to make things easier the link is here http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/141/15987.pdf

It's not about not trusting your words, but I trust ICJ more ... :) And btw, Mr. Hisashi never said what you said - those are your words not Mr. Hisashi's.

my dear k-albanian friend ICJ, I am not really sure what it is that drives you so stubbornly to write something wrong, is it simple ignorance or do are you just a "troll" having fun with writing provocative ( althoug stupid )comments in order to feel some attention? ...who knows.

but in regard to the "advisory opinion" it is just how I wrote before.

in your pdf, you can find the essential statement on page 32, paragraph 84.

but it seems as if you didn´t take a proper look into this document, and it was quite easy to find it out. I mentioned Mr.Hisashi Owada by only mentioning his first name, you have not noticed that, moreover you have just adopted that little deliberate mistake.

so much for ignorance, lack of knowledge and this non-binding legal opinion!

given that you are either a liar or simply ignorant, this conversation serves no purpose. I will therefore stop it here. thank you for the display of albanian arbitrary interpretation.

back to all others and to the bottom-line of the article: UNSCR 1244 is still the alpha and the omega for you. and when the time has come, it could very likely serve as a legal frame for the liberation of temporarily occupied serbian territory.

in your pdf, you can find the essential statement on page 32, paragraph 84.
(Jovan, 18 July 2012 11:23)

not in my or your pdf, but in ICJ's pdf there is nothing in page 32, paragraph 84 that states what you were stating that: "the simple act of declaring something is not prohibited by international law".

Page 32, parapgraph 84 states:

"general international law contains no applicable prohibition of declarations of independence"

In case you still don't understand, let me make it easier for you. "General international law" and "International law" are not the same thing. They may sound the same thing to you, but they are not. Do some research, and you'll understand.

Kosovo is not a state! If Ban Ki-moon does not respect the 1244, who will?

(J.Oker, 14 July 2012 13:19)
But note that was not a direct quote so there is really no way to tell exactly what was said be fore Serbian media translation. However notice how he danced around all questions, very careful not to refer to Kosovo as a Serbia province either.
So translate however makes you happy.

"Ban told Radio Television of Serbia (RTS) that he would visit six countries and Kosovo, but underlined that his visit to Kosovo would be in line with the UN Security Council Resolution 1244."

Six countries - and one Kosovo :)

Well, what I say over and over again: if Kosovo is a country then let it apply for UN membership. Like South Sudan or East Timor.
Why not do it today?
And see what will happen.

Please stop the Kosovo joke. And learn to live together please!

"pss" wrote:"So translate however makes you happy"

well pss, my dear k-albanian friends..., since it took thre lines and forty-five words for you to interpret the article in a way that makes you happy, ...I guess now you are satisfied, right? =)

the mere mentioning of UNSCR 1244 by Mr.Moon however is a slap in every greater-Albanian´s face. if you feel happy or not, I don´t really care, but I must admit that your comment made me smile.

Six countries - and one Kosovo :)
(J.Oker, 14 July 2012 13:19)

You wish ;)

Six countries in total: 1.Slovenia, 2.Croatia, 3.Serbia, 4.Bosnia, 5.Kosovo and 6.Bosnia.

Serbian medias 'lack' in translation.

pss, Ban did not refer to KiM as a nation, and he will not, and cannot, because they are not a member of the United Nations, period. As much as the USA/Germany would love for KiM to be a UN member, they are impotent in making that happen. It is up to individual UN member states, and then the UNSC to decide, good luck. In the mean time, Pristina's KiM project will be referred to with an asterisk, as Serbia's province, as a UN protectorate, whatever, but never as an independent nation, because it is not. pss, you are free to call yourself whatever you like, whatever makes you happy.

Banki Loon is a disgrace nothing more than a US Puppet,when has he ever spoken out about US Imperialism?

Six countries and Kosovo, not Kosova, which the derelict Clinton liked to say. If the UN viewed Kosovo as an independent country, Ban would have said seven nations. No matter how much the USA and the EU want to present KiM as an independent Albanian nation, it is not. Only the UN, and its general assembly, can give nation status to a territory. That has not been the case with KiM, and it may never be. The world is tired of America's nation building projects, and the theft of land from sovereign nations.

ecoman, 14 July 2012 17:02)
As an American I choose to call Kosovo a free and independent nation because that is what my govt ad 90 others choose to call it. UN membership is not the deciding factor of whether a nation is independent nor sovereign.
Notice he refers to Kosovo as Kosovo not as anything else and not Kosovo* nor the Serbian Province of Kosovo. For me that is enough for now. I know the people of Kosovo want the whole ballgame but most know that it is going to take time. UN membership is decorations on the cake, but even without it the cake has been baked and with the announcement of the steering group it has now had the icing placed.
I am happy to know that the people of Kosovo will never have to live in fear of Serbian oppression again, that is enough for me.

"But note that was not a direct quote so there is really no way to tell exactly what was said be fore Serbian media translation. "
(pss, 14 July 2012 15:33)

You are right. I checked the news about the visit on the official UN website, there's indeed no mention of the word 'country', but only the names of the places he will visit. But I noticed that for every country, the names of the officials (presidents and ministers) he will meet are mentioned, while in the sentence about Kosovo, the wording is (notice the order/priorities)

"Mr. Ban then goes to Kosovo, where he will visit the UN Interim Administration Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK). While there, he will meet with international and regional organizations and with Kosovo authorities. He will also visit the Visoki Decani monastery, a UNESCO World Heritage Site, as well as the city of Prizren."

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=42471&Cr=Ban+ki-moon&Cr1=travel

Six countries - and one Kosovo :)
(J.Oker, 14 July 2012 13:19)

You wish ;)

Six countries in total: 1.Slovenia, 2.Croatia, 3.Serbia, 4.Bosnia, 5.Kosovo and 6.Bosnia.

Serbian medias 'lack' in translation.
(Hrvat, 14 July 2012 18:40)

#4 or 6 is Montenegro. I know you meant to write that.

Having said that, I suggest not to waste time to convince unconvinced Serb diaspora. I gave up on that long ago. Local Serbs in Serbia know the truth, but are to afraid to speak up.

"In a final stage, overseeing the transfer of authority from Kosovo's provisional institutions to institutions established under a political settlement"

(Glad you like it!, 15 July 2012 15:13)

What should this settlement be? Not the funny UDI, that's obvious

whoohooo... seems like I´ve hit a nerve here! or how would you interpret these ambitioned reactions here? =)

my dear k-albanian friends, ...STILL , ..distraction is no substitute for rational arguments!

@glad you like it: I am quite fine with you liking it, but I doubt that you have really understood the text you yourself have posted...

"Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2,"

well, and I really hope I do not have to explain to you what the term "legal succession" means, because otherwise you might be a little bit disappointed here.

"Reaffirming the call in previous resolutions for substantial autonomy and meaningful self-administration for Kosovo"

substantial autonomy or call it even meaningful self-administration, ...but independence is something you will never, let me repeat it for you, NEVER have! the temporary occupiers will stay for a certain time, yes, but once they are gone..., the political framework is already set, my dear.

as for the other kid, "silly boy", well need I say more, actually?

with you K-albanians it is just like with a young boy having drunk too much, you are still canned right after a booze and you feel strong, even if you actually are not. but sooner or later you will wake up.that will be quite sobering for you.

bottom-line is: all you can do is sit back and wait.

Jovan, let me tell you in simple terms, should your scenario ever come to pass (it never will) you and I will long have been dead. In short, you will not live to see Kosovo 'liberated'. All you can do in the mean time is read more on the glorious feats of Stefan Dushan and imagine that all Albanians are dead. but an imagination is all it will be.

as a sidenote: how comes that each and every supporter of the greater albanian cause is claiming to be non-albanian in here?

do you really think that anyone believes in the legend of non-albanians getting involved into arguments here on B92?

why are the Albanians believing that it helps them if they pretend to have so many non-albanian supporters on B92?

is there something like an inferiority-complex at work? the wish of being understood? the wish of being heard, of enjoying some kind of attention?

well, that´s something maybe only our dear k-albanian friends will be able to answer. if at all.

Srboljub

thats really ironic, I too was in Split the other day and they had sympathy for K.Albs having to live with Serbs

"What is interesting is how incredibly naive some Serbians can be. UNSC does not prevent a final solution for Kosovo as a matter of fact it is one of the PRIME objectives. "
(you silly boy, 15 July 2012 15:09)

Correct. UN1244 has the goal to reach a mutual agreed final status, whatever it will be. So far, no agreement has been reached, UN122 is still in power. Conclusion: Kosovo's status today is not final but still temporary, i.e. Kosovo is a disputed territory, no matter what some people (from the Serbian as well as from the Albanian side) wanna make us believe.

the bottom-line is: UNSCR 1244 is still in effect and with Russia and China there is a rock-solid guarantee that it will stay that way.
(Jovan, 15 July 2012 14:03)

Absolutely; that's the guarantee that Kosovo has that Serbian forces cannot return to Kosovo as long as 1244 is in force, except for an "agreed number" (let us know if and when that number is agreed).

That's why Serbia considered 1244 as one of the darkest pages of UNSC's history being instrumental in a de facto dismemberment of a sovereign European State.

Jovan, 15 July 2012 16:31)
and everyone believes in your interpretation that is why everyday you see Serb police patrolling the streets of Pristina!
Must also be the reason Serbia refused to attend the summit in Croatia with Kosovo being represented as a part of Serbia right?
Or that the so called Minister of Kosovo was unable to attend services in Kosovo as a part of Serbia Kowovo officials would not have been able to refuse.
Or the fact that Serbia readily admitted they could not call local elections in Kosovo eventhough they had done so for the other 10 years.
But as long as there are many like you who believe they are in total control the easier it is going to be for your new govt to completely drop all claims.
Your arguments are old and outdated and disproved by the ICJ, and the 90+countries that have recognized and fully support an independent Kosovo. But feel free to cry to Russia they will stand on a soap box and yell a bunch of rhetoric and maybe send a few outdated supplies to make you feel all warm and fuzzy.

Sorry and glad - you've been served. Ouch!

as much as you wish to distract from that simple fact: UNSCR 1244 is the alpha and the omega for you, my dear k-albanian friends.
(Jovan, 15 July 2012 14:03)

Of course, and as ICJ clarified upon Vuk's request, Kosovo's UDI is in accordance with 1244. That's why Kosovo made 1244 part of it's Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

But glad to continue the discussion for academic purposes about the why, how, based on what, etc., etc., etc... :)

Just heard a Serb won best young mathematician in the world. Well done.
(Srboljub, 16 July 2012 11:16)

Actually, he is a German living in Serbia. His surname is fon Burg.

You wish ;)

Six countries in total: 1.Slovenia, 2.Croatia, 3.Serbia, 4.Bosnia, 5.Kosovo and 6.Bosnia.

Serbian medias 'lack' in translation.
(Hrvat, 14 July 2012 18:40)

Well, J.Oker can count and read, while you lack a bit of knowledge. Strange, being a Hrvat, you should know better about former YU members, don't you think? And Bosnia is two countries for you?

So, for you and everyone else, here's the six (1-6) ex-YU countries and the one (A) entity (or whatever you like to call it) Ban will visit on his trip to South-East Europe, in chronological order (taken from the official UN website):

1. Slovenia, 2. Croatia, 3. Montenegro, 4. Serbia, A.(Kosovo),5. FYR of Macedonia, 6. Bosnia and Herzegovina.

"Considering the fact that I am not Albanian, I do not have to worry about that slap in the face."
>> it doesn´t matter actually, but in case you are not - you write the same nonsense as if you were a rather less intelligent Albanian. so, consider the slap as hitting the right one.

"I am the biggest supporter of 1244, someone pulled the wool over Serbs eyes and have them waving banners celebrating a document that forced Serb police and forces out of Kosovo and prohibit any return without approval. Removes any Serbian control over Kosovo economically, physically, politically. "

>>and once again you are wrong: it was the illegal NATO-aggression that forced serbian forces out of southern Serbia, not UNSCR 1244, you don´t seem to see the difference here. but I am fine with that, too.

as for having no influence in KiM, I think you´re really clueless. those inofficially working in southern KiM let aside, you should ask yourself how much influence Touchy and his brothers in crime have in northern KiM.

"Now your new govt is going to negotiate a special status for the Serb enclaves especially the north (Ahtisaari Plan ) ...you and your friends will be dancing in the street over the big victory"

>> if you are speaking of the kumanovo-agreement, well I would call that a small victory, since NATO felt the need to let their maximum-claims go. in regard to the finnish cripple, his "plan" is dead. and your wishful thinking is rather amusing, actually. better stick to reality, dude.

Pss-believe me,the feeling is reciprocated. The only problem is, the albs are squatting on our land. I was in Split the other day, and even they felt some sympathy for the Serbs having to live the kalbs.

link: [link]

Another epic fail!
(Srdjan, 14 July 2012 23:39)

Is it really so hard to find the official UN website? Or to follow a link I posted before? But here's the link again (UN news service) for you and others

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=42471&Cr=Ban+ki-moon&Cr1=travel

And, surprise, surprise, what can we read there:

"Following that, the Secretary-General travels to Montenegro, where he will meet with President Filip Vujanovic, Prime Minister Igor Lukšic, and Ranko Krivokapic, Speaker of the Parliament. He will also visit a UN eco-building site and Cetinje, the country’s historical capital."

End of discussion, at least for me :)

isn´t it interesting, actually?

there is an UN-official explicitly referring to UNSCR 1244 and all our dear k-albanian friends are capable of is ( ineffectively ) trying to distract from that with ( already proven ) false claims ( "pss" ) and even entertaining us with his wishful thinking.., or by simply copying contributions of some serbian guys here ( nikole ).

is that all you K-albanian can bring up?
in every regard, be it the desperately wished "illyrian" descent, the alleged albanian churches that were allegedly turned into serbian churches by the "invaders from Siberia"...that are nevertheless being burned down by the albanian mob, despite being "catholic albanian"... or simply any other extremely construed albanian propaganda lie..

when it comes to delivering any real fact or serious source, you simply fail. time and again.

I can only repeat it, on and on.... your comments are simply pathetic. and sometimes at least amusing.

the bottom-line is: UNSCR 1244 is still in effect and with Russia and China there is a rock-solid guarantee that it will stay that way.

and that my dear k-albanian friends...means for you, that you can only sit back and wait for the day when Serbia rises again to liberate what is rightfully, morally and histoically serbian.

as much as you wish to distract from that simple fact: UNSCR 1244 is the alpha and the omega for you, my dear k-albanian friends. this UNSC-Resolution closes the door to your dreams, and that is it. fullstop.

and that my dear k-albanian friends...means for you, that you can only sit back and wait for the day when Serbia rises again to liberate what is rightfully, morally and histoically serbian.

as much as you wish to distract from that simple fact: UNSCR 1244 is the alpha and the omega for you, my dear k-albanian friends. this UNSC-Resolution closes the door to your dreams, and that is it. fullstop.
(Jovan, 15 July 2012 14:03)
What is interesting is how incredibly naive some Serbians can be. UNSC does not prevent a final solution for Kosovo as a matter of fact it is one of the PRIME objectives. But the one thing is that as long as it is in force, no matter how high Serbia RISES, Kfor(NATO) has not only the right but the obligation (Mandated by both Russia and China among the other UNSC members) to do whatever is necessary to prevent Serbia's infringement on Kosovo. There is no need and probably will not be a prediscussion at the UNSC but any force will be met with an even stronger force. You would not be able to call an illegal act as it is already sanctioned by the UNSC.

as much as you wish to distract from that simple fact: UNSCR 1244 is the alpha and the omega for you, my dear k-albanian friends. this UNSC-Resolution closes the door to your dreams, and that is it. fullstop.
(Jovan, 15 July 2012 14:03)

Have you ever read 1244? You really should: http://www.nato.int/kosovo/docu/u990610a.htm

Organizing and overseeing the development of provisional institutions for democratic and autonomous self-government pending a political settlement, including the holding of elections;

Done

Transferring, as these institutions are established, its administrative responsibilities while overseeing and supporting the consolidation of Kosovo's local provisional institutions and other peace-building activities;

Done

Facilitating a political process designed to determine Kosovo's future status, taking into account the Rambouillet accords (S/1999/648);

Done (no mention of Serbia there, just a political process)

In a final stage, overseeing the transfer of authority from Kosovo's provisional institutions to institutions established under a political settlement;

Done

Glad you like it!

ICJ stated that the simple act of declaring something is not prohibited by international law.
(Jovan, 16 July 2012 17:30)

Oh no, here is another one after many others in these forums who say what they've heard others saying without verifying themselves. I have to admitt that Serbs are really stubborn in being wrong, that's why they continue to loose.

ICJ never wrote that "the simple act of declaring something is not prohibited by international law". That's a myth...

1. Slovenia, 2. Croatia, 3. Montenegro, 4. Serbia, A.(Kosovo),5. FYR of Macedonia, 6. Bosnia and Herzegovina.
(Just for Information, 14 July 2012 19:42)

This is just a lie!

Do you have any source, because I have it.

1. Slovenia (thursday), 2. Croatia, 3. Montenegro, 4. Serbia, 5. Kosovo and 6. Bosnia.

Bring me any source which proves that Ban Ki Moon will visit Macedonia? I am waiting.

In the mean time, Pristina's KiM project will be referred to with an asterisk, as Serbia's province, as a UN protectorate, whatever, but never as an independent nation, because it is not. pss, you are free to call yourself whatever you like, whatever makes you happy.
(ecoman, 14 July 2012 17:02)

I think you are absolutely correct; regardless of the names we choose and the numbers of *, that does not change the fact that Kosovo is independent from Serbia (i.e. Serbia is not in charge in Kosovo) and Serbia's forces cannot return to Kosovo as long as 1244 is in force, except for an agreed number, if and when that number is agreed.

Six countries and Kosovo, not Kosova, which the derelict Clinton liked to say. If the UN viewed Kosovo as an independent country, Ban would have said seven nations.
(ecoman, 14 July 2012 16:13)

Excatly; if the UN viewed Kosovo as a Serbia province Ban would have said, six countries and that's it, not six countries and Kosovo. Thanks for the idea; I had missed that.

Comm. Parrisson, 14 July 2012 16:43)
Don't you see it as an obvious act of desperation to have to read search for a distinction. I agree that Kosovo is not on an even playing field in the UN as the others mentioned, everyone should accept that. The thing is whether it is mentioned before or after the meeting of the pretty much defunct UNMK officials, he is still meeting with the authorities in Kosovo just as with the others listed.
If he chose not to visit Kosovo and visited all the others would have been significant, also if he chose to visit Kosovo and not the others would have also been significant but not as much.
It is like the * to the rest of the world it is totally insignificant it only matters to Serbs and Albanians and is pretty much viewed as the fude between Greece and Macedonia over the name, the rest of the world pretty much thinks its "much ado about nothing".
Even if the footnote is attached to the nameplate which is silly considering everyone knows what the footnote means, it reminds everyone in the room that Kosovo was Serbia but is no more. It is only Serbs that are desperate that see the flowers growing in a garden that no one else sees.

the mere mentioning of UNSCR 1244 by Mr.Moon however is a slap in every greater-Albanian´s face. if you feel happy or not, I don´t really care, but I must admit that your comment made me smile.
(Jovan, 14 July 2012 16:36)
Considering the fact that I am not Albanian, I do not have to worry about that slap in the face. I am the biggest supporter of 1244, someone pulled the wool over Serbs eyes and have them waving banners celebrating a document that forced Serb police and forces out of Kosovo and prohibit any return without approval. Removes any Serbian control over Kosovo economically, physically, politically.
Now your new govt is going to negotiate a special status for the Serb enclaves especially the north (Ahtisaari Plan but we will not mention that) in exchange for not recognition but agreement not to dispute it.
And then claim it as a huge victory and you and your friends will be dancing in the street over the big victory

(Just for Information, 14 July 2012 19:42)

Macedonia is not in the list!

Slovenia, Croatia, Montenegro, Serbia, Kosovo and Bosnia (yes)

link: http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/World/Story/STIStory_822251.html

Another epic fail!

So, for you and everyone else, here's the six (1-6) ex-YU countries and the one (A) entity (or whatever you like to call it) Ban will visit on his trip to South-East Europe, in chronological order (taken from the official UN website):
(Just for Information, 14 July 2012 19:42)

Why not call (A) a 'case sui generis'? Kosovo officials used that word as well :)

"Excatly; if the UN viewed Kosovo as a Serbia province Ban would have said, six countries and that's it, not six countries and Kosovo. Thanks for the idea; I had missed that."
(icj1, 15 July 2012 01:25)

Wise man from Moon Ban know: Kosovo no country, no province, Kosovo case sui generis :)

Nikolle - not ironic, a coincidence.

kids, where´s the problem with admitting that all your efforts, all the chest-beating about UNSCR 1244 "is dead" was pointless?

I mean, even now you cannot but to ineffectively try to distract and interpret it the way it fits your frustrated souls... =)

okay, I´ll take the time and give you some attention!

first of all @nikole: I think simple terms are what suits you best, my dear k-albanian friend! political changes can, I admit they do not have to, but they CAN change quite quick, it only depends on some few circumstances, and as soon as these change, ...well, if you are so sure about it won´t happen in our lifetimes, then I call on you to build a nice house, if you can afford it ( although I don´t believe that ) even with a nice pool in front of it and enjoy!
as a sidenote: the fascist Albanians in WWII also thought it was all done... =)
@ICJ: you fail to see that UNSCR 1244 is the perfect "icebreaker" once the time has come. when Serbia finally gets ready to liberate southern Serbia, there won´t be any necessity to have an agreement on "numbers" with you K-albananas! and since Serbs are a smart poeple ( just check todays news about the math-wunderkind ) we will find a pretext that suits our cause well.

finally @pss:
in your bitterness u write about todays (occupied) KiM, don´t rely on that, my dear! UNSCR 1244 is what counts, and STILL, all you try is to distract from that fact. let´s see how those "90+" ( mainly little sattelites of the US )will cry a river...

@ICJ: sorry, I missed your second reply, so here a short answer:

"f course, and as ICJ clarified upon Vuk's request, Kosovo's UDI is in accordance with 1244. That's why Kosovo made 1244 part of it's Declaration of Independence and Constitution."
>> what the temporary institutions in Priština made part of their "constitution" is quite irrelevant, actaully. but your claim that the ICJ has clarified anything is simply a joke.
only for academic purposes, although I doubt that you´ve ever seen an academy from inside, the ICJ stated that the simple act of declaring something is not prohibited by international law. so, in simple terms, so that even Nikole gets it, ...even some albanian hot-dog-man in down-town Brooklyn can "declare" independence, with the same effect like these clowns down there in Priština did.
so, this clarification as you call it is just an example of how a ( mainly financed by the US ) court has found a way to keep out of politics. but if it pleases you, and we all know why, then enjoy that pyrrhic victory of yours.. =)

as a hint: the ICJ won´t help you, once the time has come. but it´s nice believing that, isn´t it?
But glad to continue the discussion for academic purposes about the why, how, based on what, etc., etc., etc... :)"

Just heard a Serb won best young mathematician in the world. Well done.

actually, the question is rather "who is stubborn here?" =)

my dear "icj1" if you had verified it yourself, you wouldn´t be writing such a nonsense.

that court, still, on the payroll of the US, "ruled" that a declaration of independence is no violation of international law. and in his oral explanations Mr.Hisashi stated the international law contains no prohibition of declarations of independence.

so, dear k-albanian friend, ... being in the law myself, I know very well what is meant and what is said in that ruling. it is a rather political verdict than a real legally binding decision. and in it´s essence it does just say what I have already written about it in my last post.

and mentioning myths... you as an Albanian will know that, since you are desperately clinging to myths... not only the illyrian illusion, also the ridiculous myth of the KLA being a serious military factor...

but there will come the day for myth-busting,my dear k-albanian friend.

if you know it better, you are free to prove the opposite. even if it is only for academic purposes... =)

as for "Jake Fischer" just another albanian having no guts to write under an albanian nick-name, ... I am afraid, my dear, ...you are wrong. this boy is not " a German living in Serbia".

a little bit more reading would have prevented you of that rather naive mistake. he´s a serbian boy, but we all know why you are opposing that...

and that makes us even happier!

thats really ironic, I too was in Split the other day and they had sympathy for K.Albs having to live with Serbs
(Nikolle, 15 July 2012 13:04)
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If they have so much sympathy and affection for you guys why don't they invite you to share Croatia with you? Why didn't your lot go to Croatia and settle there as refugees instead of Montenegro (Serbs) and Macedonia?
How come Croatia has no refugees to worry about? They were only a transit country.
Yep, they really feel sorry for you guys.

my dear "icj1" if you had verified it yourself, you wouldn´t be writing such a nonsense.

that court, still, on the payroll of the US, "ruled" that a declaration of independence is no violation of international law. and in his oral explanations Mr.Hisashi stated the international law contains no prohibition of declarations of independence.

a little bit more reading would have prevented you of that rather naive mistake. he´s a serbian boy, but we all know why you are opposing that...

and that makes us even happier!
(Jovan, 17 July 2012 13:52)

I'm never happy with ignorance... I'm still impatiently waiting for you to show the document and the page of the document where ICJ wrote: "the simple act of declaring something is not prohibited by international law". And, please, the English version not the Serbian one. I know you are very knowledgeable already about what ICJ wrote, but just to make things easier the link is here http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/141/15987.pdf

It's not about not trusting your words, but I trust ICJ more ... :) And btw, Mr. Hisashi never said what you said - those are your words not Mr. Hisashi's.

my dear k-albanian friend ICJ, I am not really sure what it is that drives you so stubbornly to write something wrong, is it simple ignorance or do are you just a "troll" having fun with writing provocative ( althoug stupid )comments in order to feel some attention? ...who knows.

but in regard to the "advisory opinion" it is just how I wrote before.

in your pdf, you can find the essential statement on page 32, paragraph 84.

but it seems as if you didn´t take a proper look into this document, and it was quite easy to find it out. I mentioned Mr.Hisashi Owada by only mentioning his first name, you have not noticed that, moreover you have just adopted that little deliberate mistake.

so much for ignorance, lack of knowledge and this non-binding legal opinion!

given that you are either a liar or simply ignorant, this conversation serves no purpose. I will therefore stop it here. thank you for the display of albanian arbitrary interpretation.

back to all others and to the bottom-line of the article: UNSCR 1244 is still the alpha and the omega for you. and when the time has come, it could very likely serve as a legal frame for the liberation of temporarily occupied serbian territory.

in your pdf, you can find the essential statement on page 32, paragraph 84.
(Jovan, 18 July 2012 11:23)

not in my or your pdf, but in ICJ's pdf there is nothing in page 32, paragraph 84 that states what you were stating that: "the simple act of declaring something is not prohibited by international law".

Page 32, parapgraph 84 states:

"general international law contains no applicable prohibition of declarations of independence"

In case you still don't understand, let me make it easier for you. "General international law" and "International law" are not the same thing. They may sound the same thing to you, but they are not. Do some research, and you'll understand.