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pre 11 godina
Kosovo's status is not final.
(Comm. Parrisson, 11 July 2012 13:15)
Sure, and until that is finalized the current status of Kosovo being independent from Serbia continues
Tuesday, 10.07.2012.
15:31
UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, should he arrive in Serbia, will be welcome "to visit every part of the country, including Kosovo", says FM Vuk Jeremić.
Izvor: Beta
pre 11 godina
Kosovo's status is not final.
(Comm. Parrisson, 11 July 2012 13:15)
Sure, and until that is finalized the current status of Kosovo being independent from Serbia continues
pre 11 godina
This modified comment says that the International Community by means of UNSC Resolution 1244 gave Kosovo to Yugoslavia, that became Serbia and Montenegro, and it was not Serbia and Montenegro and Kosovo.
The Fact that Kosovo was not in Montenegro, meant that after Montenegro left Serbia and Montenegro, then Kosovo could only be a part of Serbia.
The International Community wanted a new Democratic Constitution for Serbia, and it is only normal and standard practice for every Country to mention what is Legally their Territory in their Constitution.
pre 11 godina
Ian - After NATO forces entered to Kosovo and during time of UNMiK - they did everything for support Albanian striving for independence. They did nothing for Serbian citizens, who want to Kosovo will be still part of Serbia.
UNMIK and NATO (KFOR) rejected all serbian proposals about police and army return to Kosovo. "Serbian forces will not be authorized to return" they said.
So - please tell me - how Serbia could defended their territorial integrity guaranted in Resolution 1244 if "internationals" rejected all proposals of Republic of Serbia government????
Only in constitution Ian. Serbia don't violated Resolution 1244 - 1244 were violated by "internationals" who supported from 2001 Albanian independence movement. Final was in so called "Ahtisaari Plan" which violated 1244 (violated territorial integrity of Republic of Serbia) and gaves all for Albanians and nothing for citizens of Serbia, who don't want to be part of this pseudostate.
pre 11 godina
"1244 said that Kosovo's final status must be mutually agreed by both parties."
(Ian, UK, 11 July 2012 01:22)
Yes, so Kosovo has no final status, UN1244 is still in power, and an UDI is surely not an 'agreement'
"Anyway along comes 8-11-06 and the National Assembly of Serbia unveils it's Constitution. It's Constitution states it "defines the Autonomous Province of Kosovo & Metohija as the integral part of Serbia", meaning that Serbia violated 1244 as Belgrade unilaterally finalised Kosovo's status without giving anyone in Kosovo a say."
(Ian, UK, 11 July 2012 01:22)
Do you think 'integral part' implies a final status? Why?
"As Serbia violated 1244 with their constitution which unilaterally finalised Kosovo's status, this gave Kosovo no option but to declare independence."
(Ian, UK, 11 July 2012 01:22)
Sorry, declaring Kosovo as an integral part doesn't say anything about a FINAL status. And in case it would, why does it imply that independence must declared? If there's an item that doesn't belong to me, and my neighbor claims it belongs to him, I have to declare that it belongs to me? Strange conclusions, sorry.
"They had tried to negotiate the future of Kosovo's status, but Belgrade ignored them"
The parties negotiated, nobody ignored anyone, the only thing Belgrade said it doesn't accept an independent Kosovo, just like Kosovo negotiators said they don't accept to stay part of Serbia. So there was no consensus reached -> Kosovo's status is not final.
pre 11 godina
"partition would be a success for extremist terrorist-albanians. and that will not happen."
If partition was offered to you, you would accept it in a heartbeat. But you know that will never be an option. We can however talk about the partiotion of Serbia as it would be a great contribution to the peace and the stability in the Balkans if Serbia is no longer a threat to its neigbors. Thats likely what's going to happen. It's a matter of time when Vojvodina, Sandzak and the Presheva valley will go their own way. It's inevitable my dear serbian friend.
pre 11 godina
According to UN Resolution 1244 that ended the war in 1999, Kosovo is a part of Serbia.
That's incorrect
According to UN Resolution 1244 that ended the war in 1999, Kosovo is a part of Yugoslavia.
That's correct
Who dissolved Yugoslavia?????? Serbia did. Who was in charge?????Vojislav Kostunica.
Vojislav lost Kosovo.
The true Serb patriot.
How ironic.
pre 11 godina
it´s somehow weird when our dear k-albanian friends are writing things like UNSCR doesn´t speak about territorial integrity of the FR of Yugoslavia or as the successor,Serbia.
I mean, either they have never even tried to google it, or they are so unbelievably stupid in believing that they can manipulate even one single reader here with their disinformation.
as for the article:
what some of those k-albanians are dreaming of doesn´t really matter since it is not what some Albanians wish to be, that is important, but what international rules and regulations are stipulating.
and here, it is a clear cut case: KiM is a temporarily occupied province of the only state in that are, and that is Serbia.
what some Koso, Agim or Bekim think, wish or believe is left to them, but the reality they do not want to see is quite clear.
perhaps some of the serbian officials wants to sound out the situation within Serbia, with statements like the one yesterday, ...but at the end of the day partition is not an option, all of it is serbian territory. and I guess, yesterdays reaction in numerous places online and offline have shown that.
partition would be a success for extremist terrorist-albanians. and that will not happen.
have a nice day down there in southern Serbia!
pre 11 godina
Most believe that Serbia is doing just fine.
(Staff, 11 July 2012 00:20)
Not according to the link on the right of this page labeled "Economic Crisis in Serbia"
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Some more political stuff, some violence, some talk, but Kosovo stays where it is, i.e a frozen conflict.
(Staff, 11 July 2012 00:20)
Kosovo is fine to be permanently frozen as independent from Serbia. If you are also OK, than everybody is happy and we have nothing to argue about.
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One thing is crystal clear though. Kosovo can and never will be a UN or EU member by itself.
(Staff, 11 July 2012 00:20)
Of course, that's correct if and when the UN Charter and the EU treaties are amended to give to somebody called "Staff" the right to veto membership applications to the UN and the EU. Let us know when that happens.
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Also, the visa thing. Forget it !
(Staff, 11 July 2012 00:20)
Of course, that's correct if and when the Shengen Agreement is amended to give to somebody called "Staff" the right to veto visa policies in the Shengen area.
pre 11 godina
"According to UN Resolution 1244 that ended the war in 1999, Kosovo is a part of Serbia"
I've been asking for many years for somebody to show me what paragraph of resolution 1244 states "Kosovo is a part of Serbia", but nobody has been able to show that in the Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Russian or Spanish version of 1244. I'm sure though it is written in the Serbian version of 1244.
Anyway, according to international law, Kosovo's UDI did not violate Resolution 1244... end of the story. But Kosovo is lucky that 1244 exists to keep Serbian forces out of Kosovo.
pre 11 godina
@ Niklot 1244 says Kosovo is to have autonomy under UN rule which it had during this period. 1244 said that an agreed amount of Yugo police & soldiers can return to Kosovo. Let me know when it has been agreed.
1244 said that Kosovo's final status must be mutually agreed by both parties. The government established in Pristina per 1244 tried & tried to discuss & negotiate the final status of Kosovo & Belgrade did not care at all & just ignored Pristina. Belgrade did not want to discuss the final status of Kosovo & was just happy with the then status quo. Anyway along comes 8-11-06 and the National Assembly of Serbia unveils it's Constitution. It's Constitution states it "defines the Autonomous Province of Kosovo & Metohija as the integral part of Serbia", meaning that Serbia violated 1244 as Belgrade unilaterally finalised Kosovo's status without giving anyone in Kosovo a say. The referendum on adopting the Serbian Constitution wasn't carried out in Kosovo. Kosovar people & Kosovan authorities had no say over Kosovo's final status, it wasn't mutually agreed by both parties which 1244 clearly stated it be. As Serbia violated 1244 with their constitution which unilaterally finalised Kosovo's status, this gave Kosovo no option but to declare independence. They had tried to negotiate the future of Kosovo's status, but Belgrade ignored them; Belgrade unilaterally finalised Kosovo's status without giving a single person in Kosovo a say. There was no mutual agreement by both parties.
pre 11 godina
Of course, you should tell him that this Serbian province!
(bbop, 10 July 2012 17:26) ok ..please specify where does it say after passing the border from Serbia going to Kosovo because really I'm getting tired hearing over and over Serbian province....please prove it to me anyone.. because here where I live in the west i can go buy a globe where clearly says Kosovo not part of Serbia and Serbia in the north with clearly borders separating them ... regards..
pre 11 godina
Niklot - Poland, 10 July 2012 21:24
You are right on the spot Sir !
K Albanians KNOW by now that they are not, and never will be independent.
The experiment has failed and after the K Albanians tried on their own to take the northern gates last summer against every wise knowledge, they do not have the same support anymore at all.
Most believe that Serbia is doing just fine.
It will take some more years until Thaci is locked away for the organ cases, but I do not think much will happen with the continuing status talks. Some more political stuff, some violence, some talk, but Kosovo stays where it is, i.e a frozen conflict. One thing is crystal clear though. Kosovo can and never will be a UN or EU member by itself.
Also, the visa thing. Forget it !
pre 11 godina
Ian, KOSO - read Resolution 1244 - this resolution speak about SUBSTANTIAL AUTONOMY for Kosovo and TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY of FR of Yugoslavia. And speak about RETURN of SERBIAN police to the province.
Kosovo was part of Republic of Serbia at this time - so 1244 speak about autonomic Kosovo province in Serbia.
pre 11 godina
Excuses as usual from Jeremic, the president of Serbia says they don't have a stand and are worried he is visiting the independent state of Kosovo now Jeremic comes out playing a joke like he is wellcome to visit any part of Serbia. If you think like that then he does not need to visit anyone after Belgrade but I gues he did not think like you Jeremic.
pre 11 godina
you still can dream Mr .jeremic, but president Bankimun is going to be waited by Kosovo celebration gaurd
pre 11 godina
Nikolić commented on Tuesday by saying that it was unclear if Ban would travel to Kosovo "as an independent state", and added that Serbia was "still considering how to respond to this challenge".
If the visit takes place in Prishtina, it will be "AS AN INDEPENDENT STATE". The reason I am saying this is that; None of these clowns from Belgrade will not be able to even cross the border, let alone to greet him(Ban) at Prishtina airport. To me and anybody in right state of mind, will understand that he is visiting an Independent State.
pre 11 godina
Of course, you should tell him that this Serbian province!
pre 11 godina
Serbia can't even support his one year lead at UNGA, why would they select someone froma poor country like Serbia to lead UNGA? I mean seriously, their economy has been shattered. They have not recovered since then, on top of that he wants to pretend like he can give orders to Ban about where he can visit? hahhaha Serbian politicians are transforming into comedians. Serbia is really lost, can someone help them? We all know Russia has not supported them since the WWI lol. That dream is dead and gone.
pre 11 godina
Like he has a say who visits Kosovo! what a load of BS.
pre 11 godina
"According to UN Resolution 1244 that ended the war in 1999, Kosovo is a part of Serbia."
No UNSCR 1244 states that Kosovo is to remain apart of the FR Yugoslavia for the 'indefinate future', which does not make it a permenant guarentee.
pre 11 godina
According to UN Resolution 1244 that ended the war in 1999, Kosovo is a part of Serbia.
^^ Propaganda, un1244 does not say that, never has it said that, nor will it ever say that. ^^
Sincerely,
pre 11 godina
According to UN Resolution 1244 that ended the war in 1999, Kosovo is a part of Serbia.
^^ Propaganda, un1244 does not say that, never has it said that, nor will it ever say that. ^^
Sincerely,
pre 11 godina
"According to UN Resolution 1244 that ended the war in 1999, Kosovo is a part of Serbia."
No UNSCR 1244 states that Kosovo is to remain apart of the FR Yugoslavia for the 'indefinate future', which does not make it a permenant guarentee.
pre 11 godina
Like he has a say who visits Kosovo! what a load of BS.
pre 11 godina
Serbia can't even support his one year lead at UNGA, why would they select someone froma poor country like Serbia to lead UNGA? I mean seriously, their economy has been shattered. They have not recovered since then, on top of that he wants to pretend like he can give orders to Ban about where he can visit? hahhaha Serbian politicians are transforming into comedians. Serbia is really lost, can someone help them? We all know Russia has not supported them since the WWI lol. That dream is dead and gone.
pre 11 godina
Nikolić commented on Tuesday by saying that it was unclear if Ban would travel to Kosovo "as an independent state", and added that Serbia was "still considering how to respond to this challenge".
If the visit takes place in Prishtina, it will be "AS AN INDEPENDENT STATE". The reason I am saying this is that; None of these clowns from Belgrade will not be able to even cross the border, let alone to greet him(Ban) at Prishtina airport. To me and anybody in right state of mind, will understand that he is visiting an Independent State.
pre 11 godina
you still can dream Mr .jeremic, but president Bankimun is going to be waited by Kosovo celebration gaurd
pre 11 godina
Of course, you should tell him that this Serbian province!
pre 11 godina
Ian, KOSO - read Resolution 1244 - this resolution speak about SUBSTANTIAL AUTONOMY for Kosovo and TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY of FR of Yugoslavia. And speak about RETURN of SERBIAN police to the province.
Kosovo was part of Republic of Serbia at this time - so 1244 speak about autonomic Kosovo province in Serbia.
pre 11 godina
Excuses as usual from Jeremic, the president of Serbia says they don't have a stand and are worried he is visiting the independent state of Kosovo now Jeremic comes out playing a joke like he is wellcome to visit any part of Serbia. If you think like that then he does not need to visit anyone after Belgrade but I gues he did not think like you Jeremic.
pre 11 godina
Niklot - Poland, 10 July 2012 21:24
You are right on the spot Sir !
K Albanians KNOW by now that they are not, and never will be independent.
The experiment has failed and after the K Albanians tried on their own to take the northern gates last summer against every wise knowledge, they do not have the same support anymore at all.
Most believe that Serbia is doing just fine.
It will take some more years until Thaci is locked away for the organ cases, but I do not think much will happen with the continuing status talks. Some more political stuff, some violence, some talk, but Kosovo stays where it is, i.e a frozen conflict. One thing is crystal clear though. Kosovo can and never will be a UN or EU member by itself.
Also, the visa thing. Forget it !
pre 11 godina
According to UN Resolution 1244 that ended the war in 1999, Kosovo is a part of Serbia.
That's incorrect
According to UN Resolution 1244 that ended the war in 1999, Kosovo is a part of Yugoslavia.
That's correct
Who dissolved Yugoslavia?????? Serbia did. Who was in charge?????Vojislav Kostunica.
Vojislav lost Kosovo.
The true Serb patriot.
How ironic.
pre 11 godina
"partition would be a success for extremist terrorist-albanians. and that will not happen."
If partition was offered to you, you would accept it in a heartbeat. But you know that will never be an option. We can however talk about the partiotion of Serbia as it would be a great contribution to the peace and the stability in the Balkans if Serbia is no longer a threat to its neigbors. Thats likely what's going to happen. It's a matter of time when Vojvodina, Sandzak and the Presheva valley will go their own way. It's inevitable my dear serbian friend.
pre 11 godina
@ Niklot 1244 says Kosovo is to have autonomy under UN rule which it had during this period. 1244 said that an agreed amount of Yugo police & soldiers can return to Kosovo. Let me know when it has been agreed.
1244 said that Kosovo's final status must be mutually agreed by both parties. The government established in Pristina per 1244 tried & tried to discuss & negotiate the final status of Kosovo & Belgrade did not care at all & just ignored Pristina. Belgrade did not want to discuss the final status of Kosovo & was just happy with the then status quo. Anyway along comes 8-11-06 and the National Assembly of Serbia unveils it's Constitution. It's Constitution states it "defines the Autonomous Province of Kosovo & Metohija as the integral part of Serbia", meaning that Serbia violated 1244 as Belgrade unilaterally finalised Kosovo's status without giving anyone in Kosovo a say. The referendum on adopting the Serbian Constitution wasn't carried out in Kosovo. Kosovar people & Kosovan authorities had no say over Kosovo's final status, it wasn't mutually agreed by both parties which 1244 clearly stated it be. As Serbia violated 1244 with their constitution which unilaterally finalised Kosovo's status, this gave Kosovo no option but to declare independence. They had tried to negotiate the future of Kosovo's status, but Belgrade ignored them; Belgrade unilaterally finalised Kosovo's status without giving a single person in Kosovo a say. There was no mutual agreement by both parties.
pre 11 godina
Most believe that Serbia is doing just fine.
(Staff, 11 July 2012 00:20)
Not according to the link on the right of this page labeled "Economic Crisis in Serbia"
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Some more political stuff, some violence, some talk, but Kosovo stays where it is, i.e a frozen conflict.
(Staff, 11 July 2012 00:20)
Kosovo is fine to be permanently frozen as independent from Serbia. If you are also OK, than everybody is happy and we have nothing to argue about.
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One thing is crystal clear though. Kosovo can and never will be a UN or EU member by itself.
(Staff, 11 July 2012 00:20)
Of course, that's correct if and when the UN Charter and the EU treaties are amended to give to somebody called "Staff" the right to veto membership applications to the UN and the EU. Let us know when that happens.
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Also, the visa thing. Forget it !
(Staff, 11 July 2012 00:20)
Of course, that's correct if and when the Shengen Agreement is amended to give to somebody called "Staff" the right to veto visa policies in the Shengen area.
pre 11 godina
Of course, you should tell him that this Serbian province!
(bbop, 10 July 2012 17:26) ok ..please specify where does it say after passing the border from Serbia going to Kosovo because really I'm getting tired hearing over and over Serbian province....please prove it to me anyone.. because here where I live in the west i can go buy a globe where clearly says Kosovo not part of Serbia and Serbia in the north with clearly borders separating them ... regards..
pre 11 godina
"According to UN Resolution 1244 that ended the war in 1999, Kosovo is a part of Serbia"
I've been asking for many years for somebody to show me what paragraph of resolution 1244 states "Kosovo is a part of Serbia", but nobody has been able to show that in the Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Russian or Spanish version of 1244. I'm sure though it is written in the Serbian version of 1244.
Anyway, according to international law, Kosovo's UDI did not violate Resolution 1244... end of the story. But Kosovo is lucky that 1244 exists to keep Serbian forces out of Kosovo.
pre 11 godina
it´s somehow weird when our dear k-albanian friends are writing things like UNSCR doesn´t speak about territorial integrity of the FR of Yugoslavia or as the successor,Serbia.
I mean, either they have never even tried to google it, or they are so unbelievably stupid in believing that they can manipulate even one single reader here with their disinformation.
as for the article:
what some of those k-albanians are dreaming of doesn´t really matter since it is not what some Albanians wish to be, that is important, but what international rules and regulations are stipulating.
and here, it is a clear cut case: KiM is a temporarily occupied province of the only state in that are, and that is Serbia.
what some Koso, Agim or Bekim think, wish or believe is left to them, but the reality they do not want to see is quite clear.
perhaps some of the serbian officials wants to sound out the situation within Serbia, with statements like the one yesterday, ...but at the end of the day partition is not an option, all of it is serbian territory. and I guess, yesterdays reaction in numerous places online and offline have shown that.
partition would be a success for extremist terrorist-albanians. and that will not happen.
have a nice day down there in southern Serbia!
pre 11 godina
"1244 said that Kosovo's final status must be mutually agreed by both parties."
(Ian, UK, 11 July 2012 01:22)
Yes, so Kosovo has no final status, UN1244 is still in power, and an UDI is surely not an 'agreement'
"Anyway along comes 8-11-06 and the National Assembly of Serbia unveils it's Constitution. It's Constitution states it "defines the Autonomous Province of Kosovo & Metohija as the integral part of Serbia", meaning that Serbia violated 1244 as Belgrade unilaterally finalised Kosovo's status without giving anyone in Kosovo a say."
(Ian, UK, 11 July 2012 01:22)
Do you think 'integral part' implies a final status? Why?
"As Serbia violated 1244 with their constitution which unilaterally finalised Kosovo's status, this gave Kosovo no option but to declare independence."
(Ian, UK, 11 July 2012 01:22)
Sorry, declaring Kosovo as an integral part doesn't say anything about a FINAL status. And in case it would, why does it imply that independence must declared? If there's an item that doesn't belong to me, and my neighbor claims it belongs to him, I have to declare that it belongs to me? Strange conclusions, sorry.
"They had tried to negotiate the future of Kosovo's status, but Belgrade ignored them"
The parties negotiated, nobody ignored anyone, the only thing Belgrade said it doesn't accept an independent Kosovo, just like Kosovo negotiators said they don't accept to stay part of Serbia. So there was no consensus reached -> Kosovo's status is not final.
pre 11 godina
Ian - After NATO forces entered to Kosovo and during time of UNMiK - they did everything for support Albanian striving for independence. They did nothing for Serbian citizens, who want to Kosovo will be still part of Serbia.
UNMIK and NATO (KFOR) rejected all serbian proposals about police and army return to Kosovo. "Serbian forces will not be authorized to return" they said.
So - please tell me - how Serbia could defended their territorial integrity guaranted in Resolution 1244 if "internationals" rejected all proposals of Republic of Serbia government????
Only in constitution Ian. Serbia don't violated Resolution 1244 - 1244 were violated by "internationals" who supported from 2001 Albanian independence movement. Final was in so called "Ahtisaari Plan" which violated 1244 (violated territorial integrity of Republic of Serbia) and gaves all for Albanians and nothing for citizens of Serbia, who don't want to be part of this pseudostate.
pre 11 godina
This modified comment says that the International Community by means of UNSC Resolution 1244 gave Kosovo to Yugoslavia, that became Serbia and Montenegro, and it was not Serbia and Montenegro and Kosovo.
The Fact that Kosovo was not in Montenegro, meant that after Montenegro left Serbia and Montenegro, then Kosovo could only be a part of Serbia.
The International Community wanted a new Democratic Constitution for Serbia, and it is only normal and standard practice for every Country to mention what is Legally their Territory in their Constitution.
pre 11 godina
Kosovo's status is not final.
(Comm. Parrisson, 11 July 2012 13:15)
Sure, and until that is finalized the current status of Kosovo being independent from Serbia continues
pre 11 godina
According to UN Resolution 1244 that ended the war in 1999, Kosovo is a part of Serbia.
^^ Propaganda, un1244 does not say that, never has it said that, nor will it ever say that. ^^
Sincerely,
pre 11 godina
Serbia can't even support his one year lead at UNGA, why would they select someone froma poor country like Serbia to lead UNGA? I mean seriously, their economy has been shattered. They have not recovered since then, on top of that he wants to pretend like he can give orders to Ban about where he can visit? hahhaha Serbian politicians are transforming into comedians. Serbia is really lost, can someone help them? We all know Russia has not supported them since the WWI lol. That dream is dead and gone.
pre 11 godina
Like he has a say who visits Kosovo! what a load of BS.
pre 11 godina
"According to UN Resolution 1244 that ended the war in 1999, Kosovo is a part of Serbia."
No UNSCR 1244 states that Kosovo is to remain apart of the FR Yugoslavia for the 'indefinate future', which does not make it a permenant guarentee.
pre 11 godina
Ian, KOSO - read Resolution 1244 - this resolution speak about SUBSTANTIAL AUTONOMY for Kosovo and TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY of FR of Yugoslavia. And speak about RETURN of SERBIAN police to the province.
Kosovo was part of Republic of Serbia at this time - so 1244 speak about autonomic Kosovo province in Serbia.
pre 11 godina
Of course, you should tell him that this Serbian province!
pre 11 godina
Nikolić commented on Tuesday by saying that it was unclear if Ban would travel to Kosovo "as an independent state", and added that Serbia was "still considering how to respond to this challenge".
If the visit takes place in Prishtina, it will be "AS AN INDEPENDENT STATE". The reason I am saying this is that; None of these clowns from Belgrade will not be able to even cross the border, let alone to greet him(Ban) at Prishtina airport. To me and anybody in right state of mind, will understand that he is visiting an Independent State.
pre 11 godina
Niklot - Poland, 10 July 2012 21:24
You are right on the spot Sir !
K Albanians KNOW by now that they are not, and never will be independent.
The experiment has failed and after the K Albanians tried on their own to take the northern gates last summer against every wise knowledge, they do not have the same support anymore at all.
Most believe that Serbia is doing just fine.
It will take some more years until Thaci is locked away for the organ cases, but I do not think much will happen with the continuing status talks. Some more political stuff, some violence, some talk, but Kosovo stays where it is, i.e a frozen conflict. One thing is crystal clear though. Kosovo can and never will be a UN or EU member by itself.
Also, the visa thing. Forget it !
pre 11 godina
you still can dream Mr .jeremic, but president Bankimun is going to be waited by Kosovo celebration gaurd
pre 11 godina
Excuses as usual from Jeremic, the president of Serbia says they don't have a stand and are worried he is visiting the independent state of Kosovo now Jeremic comes out playing a joke like he is wellcome to visit any part of Serbia. If you think like that then he does not need to visit anyone after Belgrade but I gues he did not think like you Jeremic.
pre 11 godina
"1244 said that Kosovo's final status must be mutually agreed by both parties."
(Ian, UK, 11 July 2012 01:22)
Yes, so Kosovo has no final status, UN1244 is still in power, and an UDI is surely not an 'agreement'
"Anyway along comes 8-11-06 and the National Assembly of Serbia unveils it's Constitution. It's Constitution states it "defines the Autonomous Province of Kosovo & Metohija as the integral part of Serbia", meaning that Serbia violated 1244 as Belgrade unilaterally finalised Kosovo's status without giving anyone in Kosovo a say."
(Ian, UK, 11 July 2012 01:22)
Do you think 'integral part' implies a final status? Why?
"As Serbia violated 1244 with their constitution which unilaterally finalised Kosovo's status, this gave Kosovo no option but to declare independence."
(Ian, UK, 11 July 2012 01:22)
Sorry, declaring Kosovo as an integral part doesn't say anything about a FINAL status. And in case it would, why does it imply that independence must declared? If there's an item that doesn't belong to me, and my neighbor claims it belongs to him, I have to declare that it belongs to me? Strange conclusions, sorry.
"They had tried to negotiate the future of Kosovo's status, but Belgrade ignored them"
The parties negotiated, nobody ignored anyone, the only thing Belgrade said it doesn't accept an independent Kosovo, just like Kosovo negotiators said they don't accept to stay part of Serbia. So there was no consensus reached -> Kosovo's status is not final.
pre 11 godina
Ian - After NATO forces entered to Kosovo and during time of UNMiK - they did everything for support Albanian striving for independence. They did nothing for Serbian citizens, who want to Kosovo will be still part of Serbia.
UNMIK and NATO (KFOR) rejected all serbian proposals about police and army return to Kosovo. "Serbian forces will not be authorized to return" they said.
So - please tell me - how Serbia could defended their territorial integrity guaranted in Resolution 1244 if "internationals" rejected all proposals of Republic of Serbia government????
Only in constitution Ian. Serbia don't violated Resolution 1244 - 1244 were violated by "internationals" who supported from 2001 Albanian independence movement. Final was in so called "Ahtisaari Plan" which violated 1244 (violated territorial integrity of Republic of Serbia) and gaves all for Albanians and nothing for citizens of Serbia, who don't want to be part of this pseudostate.
pre 11 godina
it´s somehow weird when our dear k-albanian friends are writing things like UNSCR doesn´t speak about territorial integrity of the FR of Yugoslavia or as the successor,Serbia.
I mean, either they have never even tried to google it, or they are so unbelievably stupid in believing that they can manipulate even one single reader here with their disinformation.
as for the article:
what some of those k-albanians are dreaming of doesn´t really matter since it is not what some Albanians wish to be, that is important, but what international rules and regulations are stipulating.
and here, it is a clear cut case: KiM is a temporarily occupied province of the only state in that are, and that is Serbia.
what some Koso, Agim or Bekim think, wish or believe is left to them, but the reality they do not want to see is quite clear.
perhaps some of the serbian officials wants to sound out the situation within Serbia, with statements like the one yesterday, ...but at the end of the day partition is not an option, all of it is serbian territory. and I guess, yesterdays reaction in numerous places online and offline have shown that.
partition would be a success for extremist terrorist-albanians. and that will not happen.
have a nice day down there in southern Serbia!
pre 11 godina
Of course, you should tell him that this Serbian province!
(bbop, 10 July 2012 17:26) ok ..please specify where does it say after passing the border from Serbia going to Kosovo because really I'm getting tired hearing over and over Serbian province....please prove it to me anyone.. because here where I live in the west i can go buy a globe where clearly says Kosovo not part of Serbia and Serbia in the north with clearly borders separating them ... regards..
pre 11 godina
@ Niklot 1244 says Kosovo is to have autonomy under UN rule which it had during this period. 1244 said that an agreed amount of Yugo police & soldiers can return to Kosovo. Let me know when it has been agreed.
1244 said that Kosovo's final status must be mutually agreed by both parties. The government established in Pristina per 1244 tried & tried to discuss & negotiate the final status of Kosovo & Belgrade did not care at all & just ignored Pristina. Belgrade did not want to discuss the final status of Kosovo & was just happy with the then status quo. Anyway along comes 8-11-06 and the National Assembly of Serbia unveils it's Constitution. It's Constitution states it "defines the Autonomous Province of Kosovo & Metohija as the integral part of Serbia", meaning that Serbia violated 1244 as Belgrade unilaterally finalised Kosovo's status without giving anyone in Kosovo a say. The referendum on adopting the Serbian Constitution wasn't carried out in Kosovo. Kosovar people & Kosovan authorities had no say over Kosovo's final status, it wasn't mutually agreed by both parties which 1244 clearly stated it be. As Serbia violated 1244 with their constitution which unilaterally finalised Kosovo's status, this gave Kosovo no option but to declare independence. They had tried to negotiate the future of Kosovo's status, but Belgrade ignored them; Belgrade unilaterally finalised Kosovo's status without giving a single person in Kosovo a say. There was no mutual agreement by both parties.
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Most believe that Serbia is doing just fine.
(Staff, 11 July 2012 00:20)
Not according to the link on the right of this page labeled "Economic Crisis in Serbia"
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Some more political stuff, some violence, some talk, but Kosovo stays where it is, i.e a frozen conflict.
(Staff, 11 July 2012 00:20)
Kosovo is fine to be permanently frozen as independent from Serbia. If you are also OK, than everybody is happy and we have nothing to argue about.
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One thing is crystal clear though. Kosovo can and never will be a UN or EU member by itself.
(Staff, 11 July 2012 00:20)
Of course, that's correct if and when the UN Charter and the EU treaties are amended to give to somebody called "Staff" the right to veto membership applications to the UN and the EU. Let us know when that happens.
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Also, the visa thing. Forget it !
(Staff, 11 July 2012 00:20)
Of course, that's correct if and when the Shengen Agreement is amended to give to somebody called "Staff" the right to veto visa policies in the Shengen area.
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"partition would be a success for extremist terrorist-albanians. and that will not happen."
If partition was offered to you, you would accept it in a heartbeat. But you know that will never be an option. We can however talk about the partiotion of Serbia as it would be a great contribution to the peace and the stability in the Balkans if Serbia is no longer a threat to its neigbors. Thats likely what's going to happen. It's a matter of time when Vojvodina, Sandzak and the Presheva valley will go their own way. It's inevitable my dear serbian friend.
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"According to UN Resolution 1244 that ended the war in 1999, Kosovo is a part of Serbia"
I've been asking for many years for somebody to show me what paragraph of resolution 1244 states "Kosovo is a part of Serbia", but nobody has been able to show that in the Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Russian or Spanish version of 1244. I'm sure though it is written in the Serbian version of 1244.
Anyway, according to international law, Kosovo's UDI did not violate Resolution 1244... end of the story. But Kosovo is lucky that 1244 exists to keep Serbian forces out of Kosovo.
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According to UN Resolution 1244 that ended the war in 1999, Kosovo is a part of Serbia.
That's incorrect
According to UN Resolution 1244 that ended the war in 1999, Kosovo is a part of Yugoslavia.
That's correct
Who dissolved Yugoslavia?????? Serbia did. Who was in charge?????Vojislav Kostunica.
Vojislav lost Kosovo.
The true Serb patriot.
How ironic.
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This modified comment says that the International Community by means of UNSC Resolution 1244 gave Kosovo to Yugoslavia, that became Serbia and Montenegro, and it was not Serbia and Montenegro and Kosovo.
The Fact that Kosovo was not in Montenegro, meant that after Montenegro left Serbia and Montenegro, then Kosovo could only be a part of Serbia.
The International Community wanted a new Democratic Constitution for Serbia, and it is only normal and standard practice for every Country to mention what is Legally their Territory in their Constitution.
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Kosovo's status is not final.
(Comm. Parrisson, 11 July 2012 13:15)
Sure, and until that is finalized the current status of Kosovo being independent from Serbia continues
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