Daily: DS leader faces open struggle for power

Doesn't matter who will be the leader of democrats they will always be the same...corruption, hunger for "good" places in various state enterprises, nepotism and all other criminal stuff...you name it. Djilas as owner of more than 40 legitimate businesses, and one of the richest people in Serbia will seek only his benefit as leader. Now they are looking for "guilty" person for lost elections and that person is Tadic. They will try to put Djilas in his shoes since all major "players" have some kind of deal with him. But, dear demoncrats...as you may not aware, people saw you through and I don't think they will gave their trust to your Party in future. You can consider yourself lucky if you win more than 15% on next elections....

I'm not giving my vote to you, dear democrats, for sure. You deserved to be "a black spot" in Serbia history....

DS corrupt? sure, but what about the SPS??? They robbed Serbia, sold Serbian companies in lucrative deals with their maffia friends and sold out our nation!! How can SNS clean the Serbian politics from corruption if they give all power to the SPS, from prime minister post to finances??
Serbia needs a new revolution to kick out these tycoons and mobsters!!!

Bganon

Last week you said I must be an out of mind and I told you that all of us are … one way or another. You all lost and I believe for very very long. So you may combine the losers the way you like it but it will not bring you back to the power. Serbs said good bye to your fairy tales. See how EUNATO stopped to blackmail Serbia as soon as Serbs has thrown you away ! No 5-th Column no blackmail - as simple as that ! Hopefully the new elites will make the right stake and you know what I mean.

Too many of agents of influence for such a small country like Serbia. But what is good for DS they all speak good English and very likely are not beggars. So many of them will soon be incorporated to where their hearts belong. Sure you will blame Tadic for his poor bluffing and va bank retirement. But the real reason of the spit you have to wipe off your face is that you cared more of what they think in Bruxelles but little cared of what people in Novi Sad and K-Mitrovica feel. Too many comprador Yuppies for such a poor country !

Now this is an interesting development but with either Tadić or Đilas as ahead, I don't think this party will get anywhere. However, with Jeremić as leader, even I would consider voting for it.

Rote yes, and as you know the reason I said that is because you said that you thought that Seselj should be in power in Serbia. Anybody who thinks that if crazy, uninformed or doesn't have Serbian interests at heart - or possibly all three.

As to what you mean, why don't you state it clearly because I do not understand? Are you saying that the new government involving SPS and the party you hate pro western G17 and SNS will be independent of EU etc? Mark my words there will no little to NO change in policy regarding the west, Kosovo and EU.

If you will allow me to return your 'compliment' your problem is that you only care about Serbs who support your political views. Anybody else you disagree with must be yuppies or 5th columnists.

Further there is your vested interest of wanting Serbia to give Russia and its firms a chance to exploit Serbia, thats why you rejoice when you believe Serbia is moving away from the EU - even when it is not.

If you don't believe me wait and see...

Bganon

We too had otpor kind frozen outs but those marginal have to register as “foreign agents” now ! Think of that ! All who are sponsored from abroad will have to openly assume it and I believe DS and G17 would definitely have this label if here. God knows how G17 entered the coalition and you know what I feel of Dacic but Toma plus the changing situation in Europe will benefit for closer relation with us. I hate any Serb or Russian who would mind it. But it sounds very amusing when you start to imagine things. We all are prisoners of our own imaginations but the degree of you fantasy is surprising. Russia is strong enough to start helping it’s friends and Serbia is the candidate N1.

Do you really think I am interested that some Russian companies could seize the half ruined country to exploit the poor Serbs. And this is why I am wasting my time here ? Even the kelmending people has never said that ! Ask them whom would they prefer to govern Serbia to hear the evident. They hate Toma more than you do. So you are missing the government that your national rivals would prefer to be back. And your biggest problem is that DS even with Vuk at it’s head will never have even those 65 mandates you enjoy today to say nothing of the presidency. I guess next time it will be around 40 mandates coz you have lost forever. And we both know it for sure.

If you will allow me to return your 'compliment' your problem is that you only care about Serbs who support your political views. Anybody else you disagree with must be yuppies or 5th columnists.
(bganon, 5 July 2012 19:23)
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You don't seem to be any different with people supporting certain political parties, such as the DSS. How did you describe us the other day?

BTW, your analysis these days seems very off the mark. What are you up to now? Did you find a job after being sacked? I mean, you're not an "insider" anymore are you?

Bganon,

You talk about the supposed possibility of Russia exploiting Serbia, could you please care to tell us all about how the West has been allowed for years now to exploit Serbia due to the corrupt politics of the DS which you support so much. As for your claim that anyone who supports Seselj doesn't have Serbia's interests at heart, not that I am a devout supporter of him, but can you also explain why it is that DS supporters have Serbia's interests at heart so much? Does one who believes in the surrender of sovereignty to the EU really have Serbia's interests at heart? Think about it.

Does one who believes in the surrender of sovereignty to the EU really have Serbia's interests at heart? Think about it.
(SCP UK, 5 July 2012 21:52)
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You have a point but it's not about interests in this case but rather loyalties. Much has been exposed about Tadic in some secret US cables such as this one -> http://wikileaks.org/cable/2006/09/06BELGRADE1407.html (i.e, like supporting NATO and recognising "Kosova"*)

So as you can read from bganon's B92 blog -> http://blog.b92.net/arhiva/node/2376.html in the comments section, "the British got him first". His position is not surprising because I assume he is more loyal to Britain than Serbia.

Of course everyone is entitled to their own views but it's always nice to put it into perspective based on ones background.

Oh dear Zoran could you not see what I meant by that comment to Lyon? Hint its a joke referring to his alleged role at an organisation with 3 initials. Still, with your sense of humour I'm not surprised...

And YOU telling me my analysis is off the mark, thats a good one!
(bganon, 6 July 2012 01:33)
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Sorry, not sure what you are talking about with regard to Lyon. Perhaps you can point me to it.

Now your analysis is off the mark more and more so but it seems you had access to inside information at some stage. Is that still the case? You claim to be a journalist and analyst but maintain anonymity. Why? Why wouldn't you write with your full name like practically all other journalists/analysts?

I am curious, what are you up to these days? Are you even in Serbia?

Any finally, where would you say your loyalties lie?

This reminds me a little of when Djindjic challenged and beat Dragoljub Micunovic to become DS leader.

Of course Djilas is no Djindjic, but in terms of energy and sense of direction, as opposed to a tiring leader who has run out of steam and doesn't seem to have a big political 'idea'.

Djindjic surprised many by ousting Micunovic who was still popular in the party and respected on the political scene. Indeed Djindjic himself nearly came unstuck when challenged for the leadership by then young lion Vuksanovic who made a fight of it.

The point is that leadership election within DS is more democratic than any party within Serbia which means the DS current leader is never guaranteed to win, as in other parties, with their lifelong leaders.

Perhaps it is time for Tadic to retire, but is Djilas really the best DS can do? And somebody please get rid of that awful Trivan.

Finally I have a feeling that Jeremic provoked this situation mistakenly. If Tadic goes out now then Jeremic loses his greatest sponsor. The idea from Jeremic's perspective was to do a good job in his current position over the next 4 years or so and to build bridges with the DS membership, then to try to take over DS when Tadic retired. Now that plan is up in smoke.

SCP I have thought about it and the only conclusion one can possibly make is that no country has Serbia's interest at heart.

And that is the same for every country, international relation(ships) are governed by self interest and friendship barely comes into it.

Our biggest problem is of course that not only does no country / entity have our interest at heart, but our own leaders don't have the interest of Serbia at heart. The attitude seems to be for politicians to make promises in opposition and and then in government they see to it that they, their families, allies and friends are looked after whilst the rest of us are left to rot.

The whole system is rotten and requires upheaval, politicians won't behave responsibly so the only way to do it is by forcing them by implementing the highest standards of supervision through non governmental bodies such as the anti corruption council. But I digress...

BTW I didn't say that DS has Serbia's interest at heart, and I don't believe they do. They are part of the problem I outlined above.

Oh dear Zoran could you not see what I meant by that comment to Lyon? Hint its a joke referring to his alleged role at an organisation with 3 initials. Still, with your sense of humour I'm not surprised...

But ok you assume that I'm loyal to the UK and I'll assume that you are loyal to Australia. Neither of us would be right, but who cares Zoran - we are 'assuming' after all.

And YOU telling me my analysis is off the mark, thats a good one!

So this might have been expected to happen in the DS to come up prevlasti.Izgleda that doomed Tadic as president of the party but by me or Djilas not deserve to be president of the Democratic Party.

Bganon

Last week you said I must be an out of mind and I told you that all of us are … one way or another. You all lost and I believe for very very long. So you may combine the losers the way you like it but it will not bring you back to the power. Serbs said good bye to your fairy tales. See how EUNATO stopped to blackmail Serbia as soon as Serbs has thrown you away ! No 5-th Column no blackmail - as simple as that ! Hopefully the new elites will make the right stake and you know what I mean.

Too many of agents of influence for such a small country like Serbia. But what is good for DS they all speak good English and very likely are not beggars. So many of them will soon be incorporated to where their hearts belong. Sure you will blame Tadic for his poor bluffing and va bank retirement. But the real reason of the spit you have to wipe off your face is that you cared more of what they think in Bruxelles but little cared of what people in Novi Sad and K-Mitrovica feel. Too many comprador Yuppies for such a poor country !

Now this is an interesting development but with either Tadić or Đilas as ahead, I don't think this party will get anywhere. However, with Jeremić as leader, even I would consider voting for it.

Rote yes, and as you know the reason I said that is because you said that you thought that Seselj should be in power in Serbia. Anybody who thinks that if crazy, uninformed or doesn't have Serbian interests at heart - or possibly all three.

As to what you mean, why don't you state it clearly because I do not understand? Are you saying that the new government involving SPS and the party you hate pro western G17 and SNS will be independent of EU etc? Mark my words there will no little to NO change in policy regarding the west, Kosovo and EU.

If you will allow me to return your 'compliment' your problem is that you only care about Serbs who support your political views. Anybody else you disagree with must be yuppies or 5th columnists.

Further there is your vested interest of wanting Serbia to give Russia and its firms a chance to exploit Serbia, thats why you rejoice when you believe Serbia is moving away from the EU - even when it is not.

If you don't believe me wait and see...

Doesn't matter who will be the leader of democrats they will always be the same...corruption, hunger for "good" places in various state enterprises, nepotism and all other criminal stuff...you name it. Djilas as owner of more than 40 legitimate businesses, and one of the richest people in Serbia will seek only his benefit as leader. Now they are looking for "guilty" person for lost elections and that person is Tadic. They will try to put Djilas in his shoes since all major "players" have some kind of deal with him. But, dear demoncrats...as you may not aware, people saw you through and I don't think they will gave their trust to your Party in future. You can consider yourself lucky if you win more than 15% on next elections....

I'm not giving my vote to you, dear democrats, for sure. You deserved to be "a black spot" in Serbia history....

This reminds me a little of when Djindjic challenged and beat Dragoljub Micunovic to become DS leader.

Of course Djilas is no Djindjic, but in terms of energy and sense of direction, as opposed to a tiring leader who has run out of steam and doesn't seem to have a big political 'idea'.

Djindjic surprised many by ousting Micunovic who was still popular in the party and respected on the political scene. Indeed Djindjic himself nearly came unstuck when challenged for the leadership by then young lion Vuksanovic who made a fight of it.

The point is that leadership election within DS is more democratic than any party within Serbia which means the DS current leader is never guaranteed to win, as in other parties, with their lifelong leaders.

Perhaps it is time for Tadic to retire, but is Djilas really the best DS can do? And somebody please get rid of that awful Trivan.

Finally I have a feeling that Jeremic provoked this situation mistakenly. If Tadic goes out now then Jeremic loses his greatest sponsor. The idea from Jeremic's perspective was to do a good job in his current position over the next 4 years or so and to build bridges with the DS membership, then to try to take over DS when Tadic retired. Now that plan is up in smoke.

Bganon

We too had otpor kind frozen outs but those marginal have to register as “foreign agents” now ! Think of that ! All who are sponsored from abroad will have to openly assume it and I believe DS and G17 would definitely have this label if here. God knows how G17 entered the coalition and you know what I feel of Dacic but Toma plus the changing situation in Europe will benefit for closer relation with us. I hate any Serb or Russian who would mind it. But it sounds very amusing when you start to imagine things. We all are prisoners of our own imaginations but the degree of you fantasy is surprising. Russia is strong enough to start helping it’s friends and Serbia is the candidate N1.

Do you really think I am interested that some Russian companies could seize the half ruined country to exploit the poor Serbs. And this is why I am wasting my time here ? Even the kelmending people has never said that ! Ask them whom would they prefer to govern Serbia to hear the evident. They hate Toma more than you do. So you are missing the government that your national rivals would prefer to be back. And your biggest problem is that DS even with Vuk at it’s head will never have even those 65 mandates you enjoy today to say nothing of the presidency. I guess next time it will be around 40 mandates coz you have lost forever. And we both know it for sure.

If you will allow me to return your 'compliment' your problem is that you only care about Serbs who support your political views. Anybody else you disagree with must be yuppies or 5th columnists.
(bganon, 5 July 2012 19:23)
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You don't seem to be any different with people supporting certain political parties, such as the DSS. How did you describe us the other day?

BTW, your analysis these days seems very off the mark. What are you up to now? Did you find a job after being sacked? I mean, you're not an "insider" anymore are you?

Bganon,

You talk about the supposed possibility of Russia exploiting Serbia, could you please care to tell us all about how the West has been allowed for years now to exploit Serbia due to the corrupt politics of the DS which you support so much. As for your claim that anyone who supports Seselj doesn't have Serbia's interests at heart, not that I am a devout supporter of him, but can you also explain why it is that DS supporters have Serbia's interests at heart so much? Does one who believes in the surrender of sovereignty to the EU really have Serbia's interests at heart? Think about it.

Does one who believes in the surrender of sovereignty to the EU really have Serbia's interests at heart? Think about it.
(SCP UK, 5 July 2012 21:52)
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You have a point but it's not about interests in this case but rather loyalties. Much has been exposed about Tadic in some secret US cables such as this one -> http://wikileaks.org/cable/2006/09/06BELGRADE1407.html (i.e, like supporting NATO and recognising "Kosova"*)

So as you can read from bganon's B92 blog -> http://blog.b92.net/arhiva/node/2376.html in the comments section, "the British got him first". His position is not surprising because I assume he is more loyal to Britain than Serbia.

Of course everyone is entitled to their own views but it's always nice to put it into perspective based on ones background.

DS corrupt? sure, but what about the SPS??? They robbed Serbia, sold Serbian companies in lucrative deals with their maffia friends and sold out our nation!! How can SNS clean the Serbian politics from corruption if they give all power to the SPS, from prime minister post to finances??
Serbia needs a new revolution to kick out these tycoons and mobsters!!!

SCP I have thought about it and the only conclusion one can possibly make is that no country has Serbia's interest at heart.

And that is the same for every country, international relation(ships) are governed by self interest and friendship barely comes into it.

Our biggest problem is of course that not only does no country / entity have our interest at heart, but our own leaders don't have the interest of Serbia at heart. The attitude seems to be for politicians to make promises in opposition and and then in government they see to it that they, their families, allies and friends are looked after whilst the rest of us are left to rot.

The whole system is rotten and requires upheaval, politicians won't behave responsibly so the only way to do it is by forcing them by implementing the highest standards of supervision through non governmental bodies such as the anti corruption council. But I digress...

BTW I didn't say that DS has Serbia's interest at heart, and I don't believe they do. They are part of the problem I outlined above.

Oh dear Zoran could you not see what I meant by that comment to Lyon? Hint its a joke referring to his alleged role at an organisation with 3 initials. Still, with your sense of humour I'm not surprised...

But ok you assume that I'm loyal to the UK and I'll assume that you are loyal to Australia. Neither of us would be right, but who cares Zoran - we are 'assuming' after all.

And YOU telling me my analysis is off the mark, thats a good one!

Oh dear Zoran could you not see what I meant by that comment to Lyon? Hint its a joke referring to his alleged role at an organisation with 3 initials. Still, with your sense of humour I'm not surprised...

And YOU telling me my analysis is off the mark, thats a good one!
(bganon, 6 July 2012 01:33)
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Sorry, not sure what you are talking about with regard to Lyon. Perhaps you can point me to it.

Now your analysis is off the mark more and more so but it seems you had access to inside information at some stage. Is that still the case? You claim to be a journalist and analyst but maintain anonymity. Why? Why wouldn't you write with your full name like practically all other journalists/analysts?

I am curious, what are you up to these days? Are you even in Serbia?

Any finally, where would you say your loyalties lie?

So this might have been expected to happen in the DS to come up prevlasti.Izgleda that doomed Tadic as president of the party but by me or Djilas not deserve to be president of the Democratic Party.