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Monday, 18.06.2012.

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Democrats advised to "ditch Little Sloba"

Former MP Vesna Pešić believes that the Democrats (DS) should "ditch" SPS leader Ivica Dačić - i.e., exclude him from government negotiations.

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bganon

pre 11 godina

Yes JS we have seen evidence of your research skills, saying that Dinkic was working for DS only days after reports stating that Dinkic blames DS for corruption charges...

And yes it was a fine bit of research to accuse Pesic of supporting Tadic when she is on record condemning Tadic, not once, but many times. Then she tells people to vote Nikolic. Obviously you are not only capable to great research and don't need me to tell you things first, but you are also capable of reading people's minds.

Earth to JS are you receiving me, what somebody says to you on an internet forum is not evidence. Are you brain dead? Do you know what evidence is? Evidence of patriotism for example is to look at the past record of the politician you claim is a patriot.

Anyway, its as I suspected with you. It appears you have some kind of problem, of which you are already aware. It may be wise for you to research you own condition, if you have been diagnosed. And I really do wish you good luck with that.

Yet Another J S

pre 11 godina

I have done research and I know how to recognize what a Person represents, and I have read many of maliciously and slanderous and incorrect, statement that you present as facts.

For what it is worth for you now, the Socialist International with regards to the SPS and the Muslim Socialists of Bosnia and Herzegovina subject is old news and not disputed, but you claimed to have no clue with this fact that you described as my ranting, just one day before it is now old news and not disputed, and Just Wow.

I will not mention what I really think of you, but only that I hope you change your attitude, because it will benefit yourself and others, and it would not surprize me if you change tactic and say that Boris Tadic or Cedomir Jovanovic have a long track record of Patriotism, but I recognize your tricks.

The leader of the SPS said that he is a Patriot, and had I only heard from you that he is not a Patriot, then I would not need any other evidence that he is a Patriot, you are the equivalent of a Jury of 12, except one needs to look at the motive.

There is at least something that you and Pesic share in common, and this time I will not mention in Jest that you could be Jelena Trivan or Boris Tadic, or that you for them just like Pesic does.

bganon

pre 11 godina

JS give me a break, my word is my bond people here know that I don't lie about facts. Those that disagree with me only believe I draw the wrong conclusions. My problem with those that disagree with me is that not only do they draw the wrong conclusions, but a lot of the time they don't even know the facts. I'm glad you checked, for what its worth the socialist international subject is old news and not disputed. As far back as 2003 SPS were looking officially to return to the socialist international, I know this through speaking with a functionary at the time. Since Sloba left for the Hague there was an argument within SPS about whether they should try to get membership because members of socialist international were against Milosevic.

You will only believe if a Serbian politician is a patriot if it is verified by a reliable source? Ok then who verified that Dacic was a patriot? Don't tell me you are being dumb enough to think that verifying something is by believing the opposite of what I say? Are you from a school playground or something?

The voters don't give the legal right for anybody to be appointed Prime Minister, check the constitution. The Prime Minister is selected by the winning party / parties. If the parties decide that Tadic is PM then he is PM legally, whether you like it or not.

BTW yes I know a lot about Vesna Pesic, also Vojislav Seselj, Vuk Draskovic, Zoran Djindjic, Dragoljub Micunovic, Vojislav Kostunica, Nenad Canak etc. I advise you to get educated.

Yet Another J S

pre 11 godina

This comment has been modified once again, and it is more polite than the comments directed at me.

The Fact that Dictator Tadic and Clique for the last 4 years did not put criminal charges against the URS, means that either the DS and the URS were thieving together, or that the URS is Innocent.

I see that you know much about Pesic, and it would be interesting if you know of someone who works in her Office.

I immediately checked on the Internet that you said that Pesic advised voters to vote for Nikolic, and it is true.

I hope you immediately typed in a Search Engine Socialist Party of Serbia + Wikipedia, and then searched for Socialist International, and because I have manners, there is no need to thank me that you checked what I said.

I will only believe a Serbian Politician who says that he is a patriot, but only if it verified by a reliable source, and because you said that he is not a Patriot, then this Confirms to me that he spoke the truth on this occasion, when he said that he is a Patriot.

The Voters only gave maybe Tadic the Legal Right to be President, and not to be President and Prime Minister, and to Dictate all of the Policies of the last Government.

bganon

pre 11 godina

JS 'Where were Dictator Tadic and Clique for the last 4 years to put criminal charges against the URS if what some People say is true? '.

Hmm, you've changed your position again have you? Weren't you saying another conspiracy theory a few days ago how Dinkic is working for DS / Tadic? According to you everybody is working for Tadic, unless you suddenly decide they are not. Then when caught in another mistake, your excuse is you are speculating.

As for Pesic, you know nothing about her or her career except perhaps a wikipedia entry, so again your claim of her working for Tadic is more wild speculation of the 'moon landing hoax' variety.

You can blame me for you not knowing that Pesic advised voters to vote for Nikolic all you like JS, but it doesn't change the fact you missed something so simple. If you can't see the basics the chances are most of your theories are based upon wrong assumptions.

For example why on earth would you believe a politician saying he is a patriot, just on his own word? Only a complete fool would quote a politician making a statement as proof of patriotism.

It is odd I must say that you talk about respecting the legal rights that voters have given parties and politicians and then talk about the former elected President as a dictator. Try looking up the word hypocrite.

Finally I have to say that unfortunately my 'insults' about you are true, but you really to provoke them with your statements.

Yet Another J S

pre 11 godina

Obviously, my research was more than good enough, and I blame you for deliberately trying to deceive People.

To think that Pesic did not work for Tadic who is a Psychologist and who was Dictator until recently is utterly ridiculous, even if that work is unpaid, because they are on the Team of the Foreigners.

Wikipedia says: Reverse psychology is a technique involving the advocacy of a belief or behaviour that is opposite to the one desired, with the expectation that this approach will encourage the subject of the persuasion to do what actually is desired: the opposite of what is suggested, and Just Wow.

Others would prefer it if you would attack the message that I gave rather than using insults and slanders against me, because you know that what I wrote is correct, and if you type Socialist Party of Serbia +Wikipedia, and search for Socialist International, then you will reluctantly have a clue what I have thoroughly researched.

I support the rights of the SPS and the URS, and any other Political Party to use their Legal Rights that the Voters have given them, and if what some People say about the URS are true, then it does not diminish their Legal Rights to Represent those who Voted for them.

Where were Dictator Tadic and Clique for the last 4 years to put criminal charges against the URS if what some People say is true?

The leader of the SPS recently stated that he is a Patriot, and it would be nice if all Serbian Parliamentarians were Patriots.

80's guy

pre 11 godina

Despite being a (former) LDP'er, she is right. I said it before and I will say it again, the SPS should have been disbanded when Milosevic was tossed out of the country.

ItalianoAmericano

pre 11 godina

For every Sloba you get rid of another pops up.
(metrod, 18 June 2012 15:25)

True, they might as well deal with this one, everyone already knows him.

Rocky

pre 11 godina

This Vesna Pesic probably has bigger b...'. Then her male Serbian counterparts. She definatly has style! I'll bet the beautiful serbian lady politicians are far more capable Of leading Serbia in a positive direction. I'm sure if in the futur when diplomatic relations develop with Kosova, these beatiful Serbian female politicians will definatly want to form,most flavored status with Kosova! They just need to have an opportunity to see what they've been missing out on these last 13 years... I really can't see it be a lot longer...

bganon

pre 11 godina

JS obviously your research wasn't good enough, don't blame me for you making a mistake. Try making more effort to get facts next time.

Obviously Pesic doesn't work for Tadic or she wouldn't be advising voters to vote for Nikolic. The idea of a conspiracy theory involving somebody advising people to vote one way in order to do some kind of reverse psychology is utterly ridiculous. Even more so when you consider Vesna Pesic. Now one may agree with her or disagree, but almost everybody who knows her and her career well knows that she is independent. Some on the DS side of the argument say that she has lost it, they unkindly insinuate that she has gone crazy or has gone to sleep with the devil. You obviously represent the unhinged opposite end of the scale I have not yet heard in Serbia claiming that somehow she is trying to trick people into voting for Tadic by pretending to be against him. Just wow..
It rather looks as if you are a supporter of SPS and probably a former supporter of Milosevic. Thats fine, but don't pretend as if its others who are biased when your 'wonderings' are based on the fact that you support Dacic.

Good for you that you think that Dacic is a principled politician, I mean laugh out lout good, but good none the less. Very, very few people in Serbia agree with you. In fact in private even Dacic himself would laugh for believing his hyperbole.

As for your comment about some socialist party in Bosnia, I don't have a clue what you are ranting on about.

Yet Another J S

pre 11 godina

I have done basic research, and it proves that most People have short memories, and it all depends just how close to the Election this was said.

Some People lie and if they could make Conservatives Voters think that Nikolic was better for Liberals, then this would encourage Conservatives to Vote for Tadic, and the Fact that they did this proves that they knew they were behind in the Opinion Polls.

I did not present any theory, but I was asking myself a question, and I am not embarrassed by asking myself just one question; whereas, the rest of my comment dealt with only known Facts, except for one opinion that if either the SNS or DS that wants a Pristina Office in Belgrade, then the DS is more probable.

Where were Tadic and Clique and yourself while the SPS was their needed Coalition Partner, and so if those criticising the Democratically Elected Honourable leader of the SPS for those 4 years, and if this unfair and unwarranted Slander id true, then it says a lot about the lack of Principles of the DS, and it properly place the accusations at the DS rather than the SPS.

It is just Malicious Slander to say that the SPS believes in nothing, and that the Ivica Dacic is not a Socialist, and I wonder if it because you like to support your Socialist political brothers and political sisters in the Muslim Socialist Party of Bosnia and Herzegovina, rather than your Socialist political brothers and political sisters in the Socialist Party of Serbia.

bganon

pre 11 godina

JS 'I wonder if the former LDP MP works for the DS', problem with that theory is that Pesic advised people to vote for Nikolic as President as she was sick of Tadic.

You should at least do some basic research before flying off on another one of your theories. There is nothing wrong with speculation, but when it has nothing to do with facts, it becomes a bit of an embarrassment. Too often you don't consider facts.

Speaking of facts you might also want to consider that Dacic was Milosevic's protoge and he and other former Milosevic ministers are in fact connected to the Milosevic period because without these willing accomplices Milosevic's criminal regime (of which they were a central part) could not have functioned.

They believe in precisely nothing just as Milosevic believed in nothing, in fact thats not completely true, I'm sure there are some in SPS that believe in some form of socialism. However, Dacic does not.

Ecoman, really, you don't know who Vesna Pesic is? I'm surprised.

Yet Another J S

pre 11 godina

I wonder if the former LDP MP works for the DS, because the SPS Leader said that his coalition would agree to a Government which included both the URS and the LDP, and it makes me think that she could work for Tadic.

This is mentioned at today’s Article on Socialists strike deal with URS, unless it is incorrectly written.

The SPS wants to join the Socialist International, and in May 2008, Ivica Dacic travelled to Athens to meet President of Socialist International, George Papandreou.

Papandreou said that SI was ready to initiate the SPS’s membership; however, there was opposition within Socialist International to inviting the SPS, by the Social Democratic Party of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

It is despicable to try to use any guilt by association, if Milosevic was in fact guiltier than the others, and to use this malicious slanderous tactics to try to rob the SPS or any other Political Party to pursue their Legitimate Rights that were given to them by Citizens at a Democratic Election.

The Fact that Ivica Dacic and the SPS are acceptable to all of the Socialist International, except for the usual suspects speaks volumes that Ivica Dacic and the SPS of today are in no way connected to the Milosevic days, that were over a decade ago in the past, and that is where any used of the term little Sloba should be.

Ivica Dacic said that there could be least be one Party; either the SNS or DS that wants a Pristina Office in Belgrade, and the DS is more probable.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

Once again the smallest party has the biggest mouth. This time from a retired official. Thanks for the backseat driving Vesna, but if you knew what you were talking about, you'd have been a member of a governing coalition once in your life.

Ecoman

pre 11 godina

Not sure who this old woman is, and I'm too lazy to Google her, but there is truth to her words. Dacic is a hemmeroid on the backside of Serbia's politics. Cut him off, as it were, and things will pass more easily. No pun intended.

Yaroslav

pre 11 godina

I guess she's mad that Dacic doesn't want Ceda and the LDP in government. I think she feels that a government is impossible and that as a result there will be new elections. This lady who hasn't worked a day of honest work in her life regrets angering Ceda and losing her seat in parliament. She is saying things to please him.

Honestly, she's telling the Democrats to get rid off other parties leaders because they're not willing to make huge concessions to the agenda of the LDP.

URS and SPS have shown that they will not allow this to happen.

But people should look at what she's saying. I mean honestly we had 4 coalitions enter government, kostunica, and several minority parties. We have 33 parties vs. 16 last time, that's not counting the 4 minority parties.

Without SPs imagine what kind of abnormal government needing the support of parties with 1 seat would need to be created.

Given what she's saying she knows what kind of a mess Serbia is thanks to tadic. I think she hopes SNS goes with SPS so that they can be blamed for it.

Honesty I say new elections now with no small parties as partnof up alliances

Arn.Sweden.

pre 11 godina

I think Serbia has reached a Dead End bouth ways.

Dacic is worse than Milosevic but,

The Western EU path is also a dead end.

Serbia will lose either way.'

CCCC.

Arn.Sweden.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

Serbo-phobia, a thriving industry not only in Serbia but in the countries of weaker but hostile neighbors.

Not that I care about about Dacic or Sloba, but isn't it a damn shame when these NGO's receive millions of government funding out of the public budget to basically kill Serbia within.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 11 godina

I think Serbia has reached a Dead End bouth ways.

Dacic is worse than Milosevic but,

The Western EU path is also a dead end.

Serbia will lose either way.'

CCCC.

Arn.Sweden.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

Serbo-phobia, a thriving industry not only in Serbia but in the countries of weaker but hostile neighbors.

Not that I care about about Dacic or Sloba, but isn't it a damn shame when these NGO's receive millions of government funding out of the public budget to basically kill Serbia within.

Ecoman

pre 11 godina

Not sure who this old woman is, and I'm too lazy to Google her, but there is truth to her words. Dacic is a hemmeroid on the backside of Serbia's politics. Cut him off, as it were, and things will pass more easily. No pun intended.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

Once again the smallest party has the biggest mouth. This time from a retired official. Thanks for the backseat driving Vesna, but if you knew what you were talking about, you'd have been a member of a governing coalition once in your life.

bganon

pre 11 godina

JS 'I wonder if the former LDP MP works for the DS', problem with that theory is that Pesic advised people to vote for Nikolic as President as she was sick of Tadic.

You should at least do some basic research before flying off on another one of your theories. There is nothing wrong with speculation, but when it has nothing to do with facts, it becomes a bit of an embarrassment. Too often you don't consider facts.

Speaking of facts you might also want to consider that Dacic was Milosevic's protoge and he and other former Milosevic ministers are in fact connected to the Milosevic period because without these willing accomplices Milosevic's criminal regime (of which they were a central part) could not have functioned.

They believe in precisely nothing just as Milosevic believed in nothing, in fact thats not completely true, I'm sure there are some in SPS that believe in some form of socialism. However, Dacic does not.

Ecoman, really, you don't know who Vesna Pesic is? I'm surprised.

Yaroslav

pre 11 godina

I guess she's mad that Dacic doesn't want Ceda and the LDP in government. I think she feels that a government is impossible and that as a result there will be new elections. This lady who hasn't worked a day of honest work in her life regrets angering Ceda and losing her seat in parliament. She is saying things to please him.

Honestly, she's telling the Democrats to get rid off other parties leaders because they're not willing to make huge concessions to the agenda of the LDP.

URS and SPS have shown that they will not allow this to happen.

But people should look at what she's saying. I mean honestly we had 4 coalitions enter government, kostunica, and several minority parties. We have 33 parties vs. 16 last time, that's not counting the 4 minority parties.

Without SPs imagine what kind of abnormal government needing the support of parties with 1 seat would need to be created.

Given what she's saying she knows what kind of a mess Serbia is thanks to tadic. I think she hopes SNS goes with SPS so that they can be blamed for it.

Honesty I say new elections now with no small parties as partnof up alliances

Yet Another J S

pre 11 godina

I wonder if the former LDP MP works for the DS, because the SPS Leader said that his coalition would agree to a Government which included both the URS and the LDP, and it makes me think that she could work for Tadic.

This is mentioned at today’s Article on Socialists strike deal with URS, unless it is incorrectly written.

The SPS wants to join the Socialist International, and in May 2008, Ivica Dacic travelled to Athens to meet President of Socialist International, George Papandreou.

Papandreou said that SI was ready to initiate the SPS’s membership; however, there was opposition within Socialist International to inviting the SPS, by the Social Democratic Party of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

It is despicable to try to use any guilt by association, if Milosevic was in fact guiltier than the others, and to use this malicious slanderous tactics to try to rob the SPS or any other Political Party to pursue their Legitimate Rights that were given to them by Citizens at a Democratic Election.

The Fact that Ivica Dacic and the SPS are acceptable to all of the Socialist International, except for the usual suspects speaks volumes that Ivica Dacic and the SPS of today are in no way connected to the Milosevic days, that were over a decade ago in the past, and that is where any used of the term little Sloba should be.

Ivica Dacic said that there could be least be one Party; either the SNS or DS that wants a Pristina Office in Belgrade, and the DS is more probable.

80's guy

pre 11 godina

Despite being a (former) LDP'er, she is right. I said it before and I will say it again, the SPS should have been disbanded when Milosevic was tossed out of the country.

Yet Another J S

pre 11 godina

I have done basic research, and it proves that most People have short memories, and it all depends just how close to the Election this was said.

Some People lie and if they could make Conservatives Voters think that Nikolic was better for Liberals, then this would encourage Conservatives to Vote for Tadic, and the Fact that they did this proves that they knew they were behind in the Opinion Polls.

I did not present any theory, but I was asking myself a question, and I am not embarrassed by asking myself just one question; whereas, the rest of my comment dealt with only known Facts, except for one opinion that if either the SNS or DS that wants a Pristina Office in Belgrade, then the DS is more probable.

Where were Tadic and Clique and yourself while the SPS was their needed Coalition Partner, and so if those criticising the Democratically Elected Honourable leader of the SPS for those 4 years, and if this unfair and unwarranted Slander id true, then it says a lot about the lack of Principles of the DS, and it properly place the accusations at the DS rather than the SPS.

It is just Malicious Slander to say that the SPS believes in nothing, and that the Ivica Dacic is not a Socialist, and I wonder if it because you like to support your Socialist political brothers and political sisters in the Muslim Socialist Party of Bosnia and Herzegovina, rather than your Socialist political brothers and political sisters in the Socialist Party of Serbia.

bganon

pre 11 godina

Yes JS we have seen evidence of your research skills, saying that Dinkic was working for DS only days after reports stating that Dinkic blames DS for corruption charges...

And yes it was a fine bit of research to accuse Pesic of supporting Tadic when she is on record condemning Tadic, not once, but many times. Then she tells people to vote Nikolic. Obviously you are not only capable to great research and don't need me to tell you things first, but you are also capable of reading people's minds.

Earth to JS are you receiving me, what somebody says to you on an internet forum is not evidence. Are you brain dead? Do you know what evidence is? Evidence of patriotism for example is to look at the past record of the politician you claim is a patriot.

Anyway, its as I suspected with you. It appears you have some kind of problem, of which you are already aware. It may be wise for you to research you own condition, if you have been diagnosed. And I really do wish you good luck with that.

Rocky

pre 11 godina

This Vesna Pesic probably has bigger b...'. Then her male Serbian counterparts. She definatly has style! I'll bet the beautiful serbian lady politicians are far more capable Of leading Serbia in a positive direction. I'm sure if in the futur when diplomatic relations develop with Kosova, these beatiful Serbian female politicians will definatly want to form,most flavored status with Kosova! They just need to have an opportunity to see what they've been missing out on these last 13 years... I really can't see it be a lot longer...

ItalianoAmericano

pre 11 godina

For every Sloba you get rid of another pops up.
(metrod, 18 June 2012 15:25)

True, they might as well deal with this one, everyone already knows him.

Yet Another J S

pre 11 godina

This comment has been modified once again, and it is more polite than the comments directed at me.

The Fact that Dictator Tadic and Clique for the last 4 years did not put criminal charges against the URS, means that either the DS and the URS were thieving together, or that the URS is Innocent.

I see that you know much about Pesic, and it would be interesting if you know of someone who works in her Office.

I immediately checked on the Internet that you said that Pesic advised voters to vote for Nikolic, and it is true.

I hope you immediately typed in a Search Engine Socialist Party of Serbia + Wikipedia, and then searched for Socialist International, and because I have manners, there is no need to thank me that you checked what I said.

I will only believe a Serbian Politician who says that he is a patriot, but only if it verified by a reliable source, and because you said that he is not a Patriot, then this Confirms to me that he spoke the truth on this occasion, when he said that he is a Patriot.

The Voters only gave maybe Tadic the Legal Right to be President, and not to be President and Prime Minister, and to Dictate all of the Policies of the last Government.

Yet Another J S

pre 11 godina

I have done research and I know how to recognize what a Person represents, and I have read many of maliciously and slanderous and incorrect, statement that you present as facts.

For what it is worth for you now, the Socialist International with regards to the SPS and the Muslim Socialists of Bosnia and Herzegovina subject is old news and not disputed, but you claimed to have no clue with this fact that you described as my ranting, just one day before it is now old news and not disputed, and Just Wow.

I will not mention what I really think of you, but only that I hope you change your attitude, because it will benefit yourself and others, and it would not surprize me if you change tactic and say that Boris Tadic or Cedomir Jovanovic have a long track record of Patriotism, but I recognize your tricks.

The leader of the SPS said that he is a Patriot, and had I only heard from you that he is not a Patriot, then I would not need any other evidence that he is a Patriot, you are the equivalent of a Jury of 12, except one needs to look at the motive.

There is at least something that you and Pesic share in common, and this time I will not mention in Jest that you could be Jelena Trivan or Boris Tadic, or that you for them just like Pesic does.

bganon

pre 11 godina

JS obviously your research wasn't good enough, don't blame me for you making a mistake. Try making more effort to get facts next time.

Obviously Pesic doesn't work for Tadic or she wouldn't be advising voters to vote for Nikolic. The idea of a conspiracy theory involving somebody advising people to vote one way in order to do some kind of reverse psychology is utterly ridiculous. Even more so when you consider Vesna Pesic. Now one may agree with her or disagree, but almost everybody who knows her and her career well knows that she is independent. Some on the DS side of the argument say that she has lost it, they unkindly insinuate that she has gone crazy or has gone to sleep with the devil. You obviously represent the unhinged opposite end of the scale I have not yet heard in Serbia claiming that somehow she is trying to trick people into voting for Tadic by pretending to be against him. Just wow..
It rather looks as if you are a supporter of SPS and probably a former supporter of Milosevic. Thats fine, but don't pretend as if its others who are biased when your 'wonderings' are based on the fact that you support Dacic.

Good for you that you think that Dacic is a principled politician, I mean laugh out lout good, but good none the less. Very, very few people in Serbia agree with you. In fact in private even Dacic himself would laugh for believing his hyperbole.

As for your comment about some socialist party in Bosnia, I don't have a clue what you are ranting on about.

Yet Another J S

pre 11 godina

Obviously, my research was more than good enough, and I blame you for deliberately trying to deceive People.

To think that Pesic did not work for Tadic who is a Psychologist and who was Dictator until recently is utterly ridiculous, even if that work is unpaid, because they are on the Team of the Foreigners.

Wikipedia says: Reverse psychology is a technique involving the advocacy of a belief or behaviour that is opposite to the one desired, with the expectation that this approach will encourage the subject of the persuasion to do what actually is desired: the opposite of what is suggested, and Just Wow.

Others would prefer it if you would attack the message that I gave rather than using insults and slanders against me, because you know that what I wrote is correct, and if you type Socialist Party of Serbia +Wikipedia, and search for Socialist International, then you will reluctantly have a clue what I have thoroughly researched.

I support the rights of the SPS and the URS, and any other Political Party to use their Legal Rights that the Voters have given them, and if what some People say about the URS are true, then it does not diminish their Legal Rights to Represent those who Voted for them.

Where were Dictator Tadic and Clique for the last 4 years to put criminal charges against the URS if what some People say is true?

The leader of the SPS recently stated that he is a Patriot, and it would be nice if all Serbian Parliamentarians were Patriots.

bganon

pre 11 godina

JS 'Where were Dictator Tadic and Clique for the last 4 years to put criminal charges against the URS if what some People say is true? '.

Hmm, you've changed your position again have you? Weren't you saying another conspiracy theory a few days ago how Dinkic is working for DS / Tadic? According to you everybody is working for Tadic, unless you suddenly decide they are not. Then when caught in another mistake, your excuse is you are speculating.

As for Pesic, you know nothing about her or her career except perhaps a wikipedia entry, so again your claim of her working for Tadic is more wild speculation of the 'moon landing hoax' variety.

You can blame me for you not knowing that Pesic advised voters to vote for Nikolic all you like JS, but it doesn't change the fact you missed something so simple. If you can't see the basics the chances are most of your theories are based upon wrong assumptions.

For example why on earth would you believe a politician saying he is a patriot, just on his own word? Only a complete fool would quote a politician making a statement as proof of patriotism.

It is odd I must say that you talk about respecting the legal rights that voters have given parties and politicians and then talk about the former elected President as a dictator. Try looking up the word hypocrite.

Finally I have to say that unfortunately my 'insults' about you are true, but you really to provoke them with your statements.

bganon

pre 11 godina

JS give me a break, my word is my bond people here know that I don't lie about facts. Those that disagree with me only believe I draw the wrong conclusions. My problem with those that disagree with me is that not only do they draw the wrong conclusions, but a lot of the time they don't even know the facts. I'm glad you checked, for what its worth the socialist international subject is old news and not disputed. As far back as 2003 SPS were looking officially to return to the socialist international, I know this through speaking with a functionary at the time. Since Sloba left for the Hague there was an argument within SPS about whether they should try to get membership because members of socialist international were against Milosevic.

You will only believe if a Serbian politician is a patriot if it is verified by a reliable source? Ok then who verified that Dacic was a patriot? Don't tell me you are being dumb enough to think that verifying something is by believing the opposite of what I say? Are you from a school playground or something?

The voters don't give the legal right for anybody to be appointed Prime Minister, check the constitution. The Prime Minister is selected by the winning party / parties. If the parties decide that Tadic is PM then he is PM legally, whether you like it or not.

BTW yes I know a lot about Vesna Pesic, also Vojislav Seselj, Vuk Draskovic, Zoran Djindjic, Dragoljub Micunovic, Vojislav Kostunica, Nenad Canak etc. I advise you to get educated.

Ari Gold

pre 11 godina

Serbo-phobia, a thriving industry not only in Serbia but in the countries of weaker but hostile neighbors.

Not that I care about about Dacic or Sloba, but isn't it a damn shame when these NGO's receive millions of government funding out of the public budget to basically kill Serbia within.

Arn.Sweden.

pre 11 godina

I think Serbia has reached a Dead End bouth ways.

Dacic is worse than Milosevic but,

The Western EU path is also a dead end.

Serbia will lose either way.'

CCCC.

Arn.Sweden.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

Once again the smallest party has the biggest mouth. This time from a retired official. Thanks for the backseat driving Vesna, but if you knew what you were talking about, you'd have been a member of a governing coalition once in your life.

Yet Another J S

pre 11 godina

I wonder if the former LDP MP works for the DS, because the SPS Leader said that his coalition would agree to a Government which included both the URS and the LDP, and it makes me think that she could work for Tadic.

This is mentioned at today’s Article on Socialists strike deal with URS, unless it is incorrectly written.

The SPS wants to join the Socialist International, and in May 2008, Ivica Dacic travelled to Athens to meet President of Socialist International, George Papandreou.

Papandreou said that SI was ready to initiate the SPS’s membership; however, there was opposition within Socialist International to inviting the SPS, by the Social Democratic Party of Bosnia and Herzegovina.

It is despicable to try to use any guilt by association, if Milosevic was in fact guiltier than the others, and to use this malicious slanderous tactics to try to rob the SPS or any other Political Party to pursue their Legitimate Rights that were given to them by Citizens at a Democratic Election.

The Fact that Ivica Dacic and the SPS are acceptable to all of the Socialist International, except for the usual suspects speaks volumes that Ivica Dacic and the SPS of today are in no way connected to the Milosevic days, that were over a decade ago in the past, and that is where any used of the term little Sloba should be.

Ivica Dacic said that there could be least be one Party; either the SNS or DS that wants a Pristina Office in Belgrade, and the DS is more probable.

Yet Another J S

pre 11 godina

I have done basic research, and it proves that most People have short memories, and it all depends just how close to the Election this was said.

Some People lie and if they could make Conservatives Voters think that Nikolic was better for Liberals, then this would encourage Conservatives to Vote for Tadic, and the Fact that they did this proves that they knew they were behind in the Opinion Polls.

I did not present any theory, but I was asking myself a question, and I am not embarrassed by asking myself just one question; whereas, the rest of my comment dealt with only known Facts, except for one opinion that if either the SNS or DS that wants a Pristina Office in Belgrade, then the DS is more probable.

Where were Tadic and Clique and yourself while the SPS was their needed Coalition Partner, and so if those criticising the Democratically Elected Honourable leader of the SPS for those 4 years, and if this unfair and unwarranted Slander id true, then it says a lot about the lack of Principles of the DS, and it properly place the accusations at the DS rather than the SPS.

It is just Malicious Slander to say that the SPS believes in nothing, and that the Ivica Dacic is not a Socialist, and I wonder if it because you like to support your Socialist political brothers and political sisters in the Muslim Socialist Party of Bosnia and Herzegovina, rather than your Socialist political brothers and political sisters in the Socialist Party of Serbia.

Yaroslav

pre 11 godina

I guess she's mad that Dacic doesn't want Ceda and the LDP in government. I think she feels that a government is impossible and that as a result there will be new elections. This lady who hasn't worked a day of honest work in her life regrets angering Ceda and losing her seat in parliament. She is saying things to please him.

Honestly, she's telling the Democrats to get rid off other parties leaders because they're not willing to make huge concessions to the agenda of the LDP.

URS and SPS have shown that they will not allow this to happen.

But people should look at what she's saying. I mean honestly we had 4 coalitions enter government, kostunica, and several minority parties. We have 33 parties vs. 16 last time, that's not counting the 4 minority parties.

Without SPs imagine what kind of abnormal government needing the support of parties with 1 seat would need to be created.

Given what she's saying she knows what kind of a mess Serbia is thanks to tadic. I think she hopes SNS goes with SPS so that they can be blamed for it.

Honesty I say new elections now with no small parties as partnof up alliances

Ecoman

pre 11 godina

Not sure who this old woman is, and I'm too lazy to Google her, but there is truth to her words. Dacic is a hemmeroid on the backside of Serbia's politics. Cut him off, as it were, and things will pass more easily. No pun intended.

bganon

pre 11 godina

JS 'I wonder if the former LDP MP works for the DS', problem with that theory is that Pesic advised people to vote for Nikolic as President as she was sick of Tadic.

You should at least do some basic research before flying off on another one of your theories. There is nothing wrong with speculation, but when it has nothing to do with facts, it becomes a bit of an embarrassment. Too often you don't consider facts.

Speaking of facts you might also want to consider that Dacic was Milosevic's protoge and he and other former Milosevic ministers are in fact connected to the Milosevic period because without these willing accomplices Milosevic's criminal regime (of which they were a central part) could not have functioned.

They believe in precisely nothing just as Milosevic believed in nothing, in fact thats not completely true, I'm sure there are some in SPS that believe in some form of socialism. However, Dacic does not.

Ecoman, really, you don't know who Vesna Pesic is? I'm surprised.

Yet Another J S

pre 11 godina

Obviously, my research was more than good enough, and I blame you for deliberately trying to deceive People.

To think that Pesic did not work for Tadic who is a Psychologist and who was Dictator until recently is utterly ridiculous, even if that work is unpaid, because they are on the Team of the Foreigners.

Wikipedia says: Reverse psychology is a technique involving the advocacy of a belief or behaviour that is opposite to the one desired, with the expectation that this approach will encourage the subject of the persuasion to do what actually is desired: the opposite of what is suggested, and Just Wow.

Others would prefer it if you would attack the message that I gave rather than using insults and slanders against me, because you know that what I wrote is correct, and if you type Socialist Party of Serbia +Wikipedia, and search for Socialist International, then you will reluctantly have a clue what I have thoroughly researched.

I support the rights of the SPS and the URS, and any other Political Party to use their Legal Rights that the Voters have given them, and if what some People say about the URS are true, then it does not diminish their Legal Rights to Represent those who Voted for them.

Where were Dictator Tadic and Clique for the last 4 years to put criminal charges against the URS if what some People say is true?

The leader of the SPS recently stated that he is a Patriot, and it would be nice if all Serbian Parliamentarians were Patriots.

bganon

pre 11 godina

JS obviously your research wasn't good enough, don't blame me for you making a mistake. Try making more effort to get facts next time.

Obviously Pesic doesn't work for Tadic or she wouldn't be advising voters to vote for Nikolic. The idea of a conspiracy theory involving somebody advising people to vote one way in order to do some kind of reverse psychology is utterly ridiculous. Even more so when you consider Vesna Pesic. Now one may agree with her or disagree, but almost everybody who knows her and her career well knows that she is independent. Some on the DS side of the argument say that she has lost it, they unkindly insinuate that she has gone crazy or has gone to sleep with the devil. You obviously represent the unhinged opposite end of the scale I have not yet heard in Serbia claiming that somehow she is trying to trick people into voting for Tadic by pretending to be against him. Just wow..
It rather looks as if you are a supporter of SPS and probably a former supporter of Milosevic. Thats fine, but don't pretend as if its others who are biased when your 'wonderings' are based on the fact that you support Dacic.

Good for you that you think that Dacic is a principled politician, I mean laugh out lout good, but good none the less. Very, very few people in Serbia agree with you. In fact in private even Dacic himself would laugh for believing his hyperbole.

As for your comment about some socialist party in Bosnia, I don't have a clue what you are ranting on about.

Rocky

pre 11 godina

This Vesna Pesic probably has bigger b...'. Then her male Serbian counterparts. She definatly has style! I'll bet the beautiful serbian lady politicians are far more capable Of leading Serbia in a positive direction. I'm sure if in the futur when diplomatic relations develop with Kosova, these beatiful Serbian female politicians will definatly want to form,most flavored status with Kosova! They just need to have an opportunity to see what they've been missing out on these last 13 years... I really can't see it be a lot longer...

bganon

pre 11 godina

JS 'Where were Dictator Tadic and Clique for the last 4 years to put criminal charges against the URS if what some People say is true? '.

Hmm, you've changed your position again have you? Weren't you saying another conspiracy theory a few days ago how Dinkic is working for DS / Tadic? According to you everybody is working for Tadic, unless you suddenly decide they are not. Then when caught in another mistake, your excuse is you are speculating.

As for Pesic, you know nothing about her or her career except perhaps a wikipedia entry, so again your claim of her working for Tadic is more wild speculation of the 'moon landing hoax' variety.

You can blame me for you not knowing that Pesic advised voters to vote for Nikolic all you like JS, but it doesn't change the fact you missed something so simple. If you can't see the basics the chances are most of your theories are based upon wrong assumptions.

For example why on earth would you believe a politician saying he is a patriot, just on his own word? Only a complete fool would quote a politician making a statement as proof of patriotism.

It is odd I must say that you talk about respecting the legal rights that voters have given parties and politicians and then talk about the former elected President as a dictator. Try looking up the word hypocrite.

Finally I have to say that unfortunately my 'insults' about you are true, but you really to provoke them with your statements.

bganon

pre 11 godina

JS give me a break, my word is my bond people here know that I don't lie about facts. Those that disagree with me only believe I draw the wrong conclusions. My problem with those that disagree with me is that not only do they draw the wrong conclusions, but a lot of the time they don't even know the facts. I'm glad you checked, for what its worth the socialist international subject is old news and not disputed. As far back as 2003 SPS were looking officially to return to the socialist international, I know this through speaking with a functionary at the time. Since Sloba left for the Hague there was an argument within SPS about whether they should try to get membership because members of socialist international were against Milosevic.

You will only believe if a Serbian politician is a patriot if it is verified by a reliable source? Ok then who verified that Dacic was a patriot? Don't tell me you are being dumb enough to think that verifying something is by believing the opposite of what I say? Are you from a school playground or something?

The voters don't give the legal right for anybody to be appointed Prime Minister, check the constitution. The Prime Minister is selected by the winning party / parties. If the parties decide that Tadic is PM then he is PM legally, whether you like it or not.

BTW yes I know a lot about Vesna Pesic, also Vojislav Seselj, Vuk Draskovic, Zoran Djindjic, Dragoljub Micunovic, Vojislav Kostunica, Nenad Canak etc. I advise you to get educated.

80's guy

pre 11 godina

Despite being a (former) LDP'er, she is right. I said it before and I will say it again, the SPS should have been disbanded when Milosevic was tossed out of the country.

Yet Another J S

pre 11 godina

This comment has been modified once again, and it is more polite than the comments directed at me.

The Fact that Dictator Tadic and Clique for the last 4 years did not put criminal charges against the URS, means that either the DS and the URS were thieving together, or that the URS is Innocent.

I see that you know much about Pesic, and it would be interesting if you know of someone who works in her Office.

I immediately checked on the Internet that you said that Pesic advised voters to vote for Nikolic, and it is true.

I hope you immediately typed in a Search Engine Socialist Party of Serbia + Wikipedia, and then searched for Socialist International, and because I have manners, there is no need to thank me that you checked what I said.

I will only believe a Serbian Politician who says that he is a patriot, but only if it verified by a reliable source, and because you said that he is not a Patriot, then this Confirms to me that he spoke the truth on this occasion, when he said that he is a Patriot.

The Voters only gave maybe Tadic the Legal Right to be President, and not to be President and Prime Minister, and to Dictate all of the Policies of the last Government.

Yet Another J S

pre 11 godina

I have done research and I know how to recognize what a Person represents, and I have read many of maliciously and slanderous and incorrect, statement that you present as facts.

For what it is worth for you now, the Socialist International with regards to the SPS and the Muslim Socialists of Bosnia and Herzegovina subject is old news and not disputed, but you claimed to have no clue with this fact that you described as my ranting, just one day before it is now old news and not disputed, and Just Wow.

I will not mention what I really think of you, but only that I hope you change your attitude, because it will benefit yourself and others, and it would not surprize me if you change tactic and say that Boris Tadic or Cedomir Jovanovic have a long track record of Patriotism, but I recognize your tricks.

The leader of the SPS said that he is a Patriot, and had I only heard from you that he is not a Patriot, then I would not need any other evidence that he is a Patriot, you are the equivalent of a Jury of 12, except one needs to look at the motive.

There is at least something that you and Pesic share in common, and this time I will not mention in Jest that you could be Jelena Trivan or Boris Tadic, or that you for them just like Pesic does.

bganon

pre 11 godina

Yes JS we have seen evidence of your research skills, saying that Dinkic was working for DS only days after reports stating that Dinkic blames DS for corruption charges...

And yes it was a fine bit of research to accuse Pesic of supporting Tadic when she is on record condemning Tadic, not once, but many times. Then she tells people to vote Nikolic. Obviously you are not only capable to great research and don't need me to tell you things first, but you are also capable of reading people's minds.

Earth to JS are you receiving me, what somebody says to you on an internet forum is not evidence. Are you brain dead? Do you know what evidence is? Evidence of patriotism for example is to look at the past record of the politician you claim is a patriot.

Anyway, its as I suspected with you. It appears you have some kind of problem, of which you are already aware. It may be wise for you to research you own condition, if you have been diagnosed. And I really do wish you good luck with that.

ItalianoAmericano

pre 11 godina

For every Sloba you get rid of another pops up.
(metrod, 18 June 2012 15:25)

True, they might as well deal with this one, everyone already knows him.