Serbian Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremić said late Friday that Albania had remained isolated after <a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=06&dd=15&nav_id=80779" class="text-link" target= "_blank">blocking a joint declaration at the regional summit </a>in Belgrade.
a president of the UN General Assembly should be independent and multilateral. Jeremic, you failed! At first Nikolic then this. It is always the result when people are overestimating their importance.
So what we are one nation, representing Albania or Kosovo is same thing. I see nothing wrong with that.
(Mendo, 16 June 2012 18:44)
Indeed,
What does kosovo mean in Albanian? Both Albanian states must rid of all foerign toponyms. The slavs and greeks did it when when the turks left, we still have lots of infulences from all who swept through the Ballkans. Start form the top and rename kosovo to Dardanian Republic. Then work downwards to counties....
“Belgrade is an open city and Serbia was chosen to lead the UN. Our doors are open to all who want to come here,” he concluded."
Is he really so delusional? The man suffers from pathological narcissism. No one chose any country to lead the UN, and the least of all Serbia. As a Serb he will do nothing new for Serbia as a head of UN assembly , which is just a "romantic" position.
As for the usual yada-yada, every day that goes by, Kosova is more io a country than he and his Serbia ever dreamt of.
"As long as Serbia does not accept Kosova as an independent state in regional conferences and so on Serbia will not be allowed to join the EU"
(besim, 17 June 2012 09:08)
Wrong, you should read the agreement: Serbia will accept Kosovo* in regional conferences, without prejudice to the status.
*=This designation is without prejudice to positions on status, and is in line with UNSC 1244 and the ICJ Opinion on the Kosovo Declaration of Independence."
My 10 year old daughter read European Balkan's comments only once and understood them perfectly. Perhaps it is you that needs to improve your reading comprehensive skills, although you claim English is your first language.
(The Count of Kosova, 16 June 2012 20:42)
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At what age do you people push politics on your children?
Even with the strong arm tactics of the USA and the EU, an independent Albanian Kosovo is not a reality.
(Winston, 16 June 2012 16:26)
Mate, what you're saying is a big offense to the Serbs in North Kosovo telling them that they were hallucinating and holding a refendum about something that does not exist LOL
Kosova is independent nation with 90%+ support.
Bosnia is independent country.
Montenegro is independent country.
Serbia is vassal subject of foreign KGB empire.
European Balkan, I read your post twice, and have no clue what the hell you are trying to say. I get the gist that you are anti-Jeremic, you must be Albanian, but your mastery of English is quite inadequate. Maybe you should stick to Albanian news sites to post your opinions, if there are such sites? Because I do not think that Albanian thugs in Pristina and Tirana allow freedom of speech and opinion. You must do as they say.
(Ecoman, 16 June 2012 15:37)
Ecoman,
My 10 year old daughter read European Balkan's comments only once and understood them perfectly. Perhaps it is you that needs to improve your reading comprehensive skills, although you claim English is your first language.
"Wherever we cannot take part in organisations like the one you mention we have Albania who represents us, just like the case was yesterday in the middle of Begrade. "
(Mendo, 16 June 2012 15:58)
And just like it will be for Olympic games in London - athletes from Kosovo only have to apply for Albanian citizenship, like your Judo athlete did.
"Serbia was chosen to lead the UN?" Isn't it about time Vuk reads his actual UN job description and not the imaginary one?
(Vuk home alone, 16 June 2012 12:32)
He's flying high... that's what happens when you give power to children :)
“Albania was left alone. All the others agreed on the text. They (Albania) found the text unacceptable because Kosovo was not really treated as an equal member,” he noted, adding that “there will be no seats for Kosovo at places reserved for sovereign states as long as Serbia is present there.”
Continue like this and there never will be joint declaration in regional meetings. Albania is not left alone, all countries there accept independent Kosovo. In regional meetings is Serbia alone for that matter not Albania.
Even with the strong arm tactics of the USA and the EU, an independent Albanian Kosovo is not a reality. Until Serbia gives the green light, this Albanian dream of another independent state in the Balkans will remain just that, a dream. Personally, I do not see that ever happening. Maybe a few years back, but not today. I now see the Russians becoming more involved in Serbia, with the establishment of military bases and multiple economic partnerships. The West dawdled, like they are good at doing, while the Russians are making their move back into influencing the Balkans. The coming years should be interesting. All I can say to the Albanians in Kosovo is, try not to take out any 30-year real estate loans.
Wherever we cannot take part in organisations like the one you mention we have Albania who represents us, just like the case was yesterday in the middle of Begrade. Plus as I said millions of times in B92 forums that as long as we have nothing to do with Belgrade that's fine with us.
European Balkan, I read your post twice, and have no clue what the hell you are trying to say. I get the gist that you are anti-Jeremic, you must be Albanian, but your mastery of English is quite inadequate. Maybe you should stick to Albanian news sites to post your opinions, if there are such sites? Because I do not think that Albanian thugs in Pristina and Tirana allow freedom of speech and opinion. You must do as they say.
"Well Kosovo is represented everywhere else as a state except wen something is hold in Belgrade which if I was asked I would have not attended anyway."
(Mendo, 16 June 2012 12:50)
Except for UN, UEAFA, ITU... and all major organizations who have some standards on what is a state and what's not for becoming a member.
Maybe there is clear view despite blind faith speeches here. So we try:
That specific kind of quite undiplomatic, nationalistic rhetoric of FM Jeremic is registered among central European and U.S. decision makers for a quite while now. Considered to be one of the "Russians" in the outgoing Serb government, Jeremic damages not only the EU perspective by his strong, anti European talk. He is risking his reputation as the maybe upcoming speaker of an UN General Assembly that consists of nearly a hundred members who act just to opposite way Mr Jeremic is trying to sell to his own public: a growing number of UN members, very powerful among them, most EU member states among them will upscale their efforts to make tKosovo the last independent state of what was Yugoslavia, before Belgrade started out to play the Greater Serbia card - and lost it all, including Kosovo.
How can Kosovo be treated as an equal member when it's not a member at all? There are organizations who only accept states as members (like this SECCP, the UN, the UEFA...) and not self-proclaimed pseudo states.
(Questioner, 16 June 2012 12:47)
Because Serbs agreed to it: The regional organizations referred to in these conclusions are existing and future intergovernmental organizations or arrangements whose aim is to promote cooperation or integration in the Balkan region.
Perhaps Stefanović should have read the agreement before signing and perhaps Vuk should read it too.
Of course Kosova and Albanian know very well which place they have. What wonder me is that Serbia 150 years independent state, and still don’t understand and is confused for it’s own place. You Harvard man should know that if you work against Kosova, you work against Serbia and vice versa if you work for Serbia, you work for a strong and independent Kosova.It’s your choose.
"Albania was left alone. All the others agreed on the text. They (Albania) found the text unacceptable because Kosovo was not really treated as an equal member"
How can Kosovo be treated as an equal member when it's not a member at all? There are organizations who only accept states as members (like this SECCP, the UN, the UEFA...) and not self-proclaimed pseudo states.
Sentences like this are the very proof that Belgrade's words of "historic reconciliation" are mere hot air.
Vuce, there will be no peace and reconciliation as long as you continue your failed policy of the 1990s and the rest of the 20th century. It did not work back there and won't in the future. Albanians will not give in, because what you want is to give up freedom. That you will not get, at least not for free..
One only has to read the words used by Mr Jeremic to realize that he is not talking about how Kosova was actually treated. there's a big difference to saying 'Kosovo was not treated as a sovereign state' and 'Kosovo was not really treated as a sovereign state'. the second one implies something else to the first
“Albania was left alone. All the others agreed on the text. They (Albania) found the text unacceptable because Kosovo was not really treated as an equal member,” he noted, adding that “there will be no seats for Kosovo at places reserved for sovereign states as long as Serbia is present there.”
Continue like this and there never will be joint declaration in regional meetings. Albania is not left alone, all countries there accept independent Kosovo. In regional meetings is Serbia alone for that matter not Albania.
Wherever we cannot take part in organisations like the one you mention we have Albania who represents us, just like the case was yesterday in the middle of Begrade. Plus as I said millions of times in B92 forums that as long as we have nothing to do with Belgrade that's fine with us.
"Albania was left alone. All the others agreed on the text. They (Albania) found the text unacceptable because Kosovo was not really treated as an equal member"
How can Kosovo be treated as an equal member when it's not a member at all? There are organizations who only accept states as members (like this SECCP, the UN, the UEFA...) and not self-proclaimed pseudo states.
How can Kosovo be treated as an equal member when it's not a member at all? There are organizations who only accept states as members (like this SECCP, the UN, the UEFA...) and not self-proclaimed pseudo states.
(Questioner, 16 June 2012 12:47)
Because Serbs agreed to it: The regional organizations referred to in these conclusions are existing and future intergovernmental organizations or arrangements whose aim is to promote cooperation or integration in the Balkan region.
Perhaps Stefanović should have read the agreement before signing and perhaps Vuk should read it too.
"Well Kosovo is represented everywhere else as a state except wen something is hold in Belgrade which if I was asked I would have not attended anyway."
(Mendo, 16 June 2012 12:50)
Except for UN, UEAFA, ITU... and all major organizations who have some standards on what is a state and what's not for becoming a member.
One only has to read the words used by Mr Jeremic to realize that he is not talking about how Kosova was actually treated. there's a big difference to saying 'Kosovo was not treated as a sovereign state' and 'Kosovo was not really treated as a sovereign state'. the second one implies something else to the first
Maybe there is clear view despite blind faith speeches here. So we try:
That specific kind of quite undiplomatic, nationalistic rhetoric of FM Jeremic is registered among central European and U.S. decision makers for a quite while now. Considered to be one of the "Russians" in the outgoing Serb government, Jeremic damages not only the EU perspective by his strong, anti European talk. He is risking his reputation as the maybe upcoming speaker of an UN General Assembly that consists of nearly a hundred members who act just to opposite way Mr Jeremic is trying to sell to his own public: a growing number of UN members, very powerful among them, most EU member states among them will upscale their efforts to make tKosovo the last independent state of what was Yugoslavia, before Belgrade started out to play the Greater Serbia card - and lost it all, including Kosovo.
Even with the strong arm tactics of the USA and the EU, an independent Albanian Kosovo is not a reality. Until Serbia gives the green light, this Albanian dream of another independent state in the Balkans will remain just that, a dream. Personally, I do not see that ever happening. Maybe a few years back, but not today. I now see the Russians becoming more involved in Serbia, with the establishment of military bases and multiple economic partnerships. The West dawdled, like they are good at doing, while the Russians are making their move back into influencing the Balkans. The coming years should be interesting. All I can say to the Albanians in Kosovo is, try not to take out any 30-year real estate loans.
Sentences like this are the very proof that Belgrade's words of "historic reconciliation" are mere hot air.
Vuce, there will be no peace and reconciliation as long as you continue your failed policy of the 1990s and the rest of the 20th century. It did not work back there and won't in the future. Albanians will not give in, because what you want is to give up freedom. That you will not get, at least not for free..
Of course Kosova and Albanian know very well which place they have. What wonder me is that Serbia 150 years independent state, and still don’t understand and is confused for it’s own place. You Harvard man should know that if you work against Kosova, you work against Serbia and vice versa if you work for Serbia, you work for a strong and independent Kosova.It’s your choose.
"Serbia was chosen to lead the UN?" Isn't it about time Vuk reads his actual UN job description and not the imaginary one?
(Vuk home alone, 16 June 2012 12:32)
He's flying high... that's what happens when you give power to children :)
Kosova is independent nation with 90%+ support.
Bosnia is independent country.
Montenegro is independent country.
Serbia is vassal subject of foreign KGB empire.
"Wherever we cannot take part in organisations like the one you mention we have Albania who represents us, just like the case was yesterday in the middle of Begrade. "
(Mendo, 16 June 2012 15:58)
And just like it will be for Olympic games in London - athletes from Kosovo only have to apply for Albanian citizenship, like your Judo athlete did.
European Balkan, I read your post twice, and have no clue what the hell you are trying to say. I get the gist that you are anti-Jeremic, you must be Albanian, but your mastery of English is quite inadequate. Maybe you should stick to Albanian news sites to post your opinions, if there are such sites? Because I do not think that Albanian thugs in Pristina and Tirana allow freedom of speech and opinion. You must do as they say.
(Ecoman, 16 June 2012 15:37)
Ecoman,
My 10 year old daughter read European Balkan's comments only once and understood them perfectly. Perhaps it is you that needs to improve your reading comprehensive skills, although you claim English is your first language.
European Balkan, I read your post twice, and have no clue what the hell you are trying to say. I get the gist that you are anti-Jeremic, you must be Albanian, but your mastery of English is quite inadequate. Maybe you should stick to Albanian news sites to post your opinions, if there are such sites? Because I do not think that Albanian thugs in Pristina and Tirana allow freedom of speech and opinion. You must do as they say.
“Belgrade is an open city and Serbia was chosen to lead the UN. Our doors are open to all who want to come here,” he concluded."
Is he really so delusional? The man suffers from pathological narcissism. No one chose any country to lead the UN, and the least of all Serbia. As a Serb he will do nothing new for Serbia as a head of UN assembly , which is just a "romantic" position.
As for the usual yada-yada, every day that goes by, Kosova is more io a country than he and his Serbia ever dreamt of.
Even with the strong arm tactics of the USA and the EU, an independent Albanian Kosovo is not a reality.
(Winston, 16 June 2012 16:26)
Mate, what you're saying is a big offense to the Serbs in North Kosovo telling them that they were hallucinating and holding a refendum about something that does not exist LOL
So what we are one nation, representing Albania or Kosovo is same thing. I see nothing wrong with that.
(Mendo, 16 June 2012 18:44)
Indeed,
What does kosovo mean in Albanian? Both Albanian states must rid of all foerign toponyms. The slavs and greeks did it when when the turks left, we still have lots of infulences from all who swept through the Ballkans. Start form the top and rename kosovo to Dardanian Republic. Then work downwards to counties....
a president of the UN General Assembly should be independent and multilateral. Jeremic, you failed! At first Nikolic then this. It is always the result when people are overestimating their importance.
My 10 year old daughter read European Balkan's comments only once and understood them perfectly. Perhaps it is you that needs to improve your reading comprehensive skills, although you claim English is your first language.
(The Count of Kosova, 16 June 2012 20:42)
=====================================
At what age do you people push politics on your children?
"As long as Serbia does not accept Kosova as an independent state in regional conferences and so on Serbia will not be allowed to join the EU"
(besim, 17 June 2012 09:08)
Wrong, you should read the agreement: Serbia will accept Kosovo* in regional conferences, without prejudice to the status.
*=This designation is without prejudice to positions on status, and is in line with UNSC 1244 and the ICJ Opinion on the Kosovo Declaration of Independence."
One only has to read the words used by Mr Jeremic to realize that he is not talking about how Kosova was actually treated. there's a big difference to saying 'Kosovo was not treated as a sovereign state' and 'Kosovo was not really treated as a sovereign state'. the second one implies something else to the first
Sentences like this are the very proof that Belgrade's words of "historic reconciliation" are mere hot air.
Vuce, there will be no peace and reconciliation as long as you continue your failed policy of the 1990s and the rest of the 20th century. It did not work back there and won't in the future. Albanians will not give in, because what you want is to give up freedom. That you will not get, at least not for free..
Of course Kosova and Albanian know very well which place they have. What wonder me is that Serbia 150 years independent state, and still don’t understand and is confused for it’s own place. You Harvard man should know that if you work against Kosova, you work against Serbia and vice versa if you work for Serbia, you work for a strong and independent Kosova.It’s your choose.
How can Kosovo be treated as an equal member when it's not a member at all? There are organizations who only accept states as members (like this SECCP, the UN, the UEFA...) and not self-proclaimed pseudo states.
(Questioner, 16 June 2012 12:47)
Because Serbs agreed to it: The regional organizations referred to in these conclusions are existing and future intergovernmental organizations or arrangements whose aim is to promote cooperation or integration in the Balkan region.
Perhaps Stefanović should have read the agreement before signing and perhaps Vuk should read it too.
Kosova is independent nation with 90%+ support.
Bosnia is independent country.
Montenegro is independent country.
Serbia is vassal subject of foreign KGB empire.
Maybe there is clear view despite blind faith speeches here. So we try:
That specific kind of quite undiplomatic, nationalistic rhetoric of FM Jeremic is registered among central European and U.S. decision makers for a quite while now. Considered to be one of the "Russians" in the outgoing Serb government, Jeremic damages not only the EU perspective by his strong, anti European talk. He is risking his reputation as the maybe upcoming speaker of an UN General Assembly that consists of nearly a hundred members who act just to opposite way Mr Jeremic is trying to sell to his own public: a growing number of UN members, very powerful among them, most EU member states among them will upscale their efforts to make tKosovo the last independent state of what was Yugoslavia, before Belgrade started out to play the Greater Serbia card - and lost it all, including Kosovo.
"Well Kosovo is represented everywhere else as a state except wen something is hold in Belgrade which if I was asked I would have not attended anyway."
(Mendo, 16 June 2012 12:50)
Except for UN, UEAFA, ITU... and all major organizations who have some standards on what is a state and what's not for becoming a member.
European Balkan, I read your post twice, and have no clue what the hell you are trying to say. I get the gist that you are anti-Jeremic, you must be Albanian, but your mastery of English is quite inadequate. Maybe you should stick to Albanian news sites to post your opinions, if there are such sites? Because I do not think that Albanian thugs in Pristina and Tirana allow freedom of speech and opinion. You must do as they say.
Even with the strong arm tactics of the USA and the EU, an independent Albanian Kosovo is not a reality. Until Serbia gives the green light, this Albanian dream of another independent state in the Balkans will remain just that, a dream. Personally, I do not see that ever happening. Maybe a few years back, but not today. I now see the Russians becoming more involved in Serbia, with the establishment of military bases and multiple economic partnerships. The West dawdled, like they are good at doing, while the Russians are making their move back into influencing the Balkans. The coming years should be interesting. All I can say to the Albanians in Kosovo is, try not to take out any 30-year real estate loans.
"Albania was left alone. All the others agreed on the text. They (Albania) found the text unacceptable because Kosovo was not really treated as an equal member"
How can Kosovo be treated as an equal member when it's not a member at all? There are organizations who only accept states as members (like this SECCP, the UN, the UEFA...) and not self-proclaimed pseudo states.
Wherever we cannot take part in organisations like the one you mention we have Albania who represents us, just like the case was yesterday in the middle of Begrade. Plus as I said millions of times in B92 forums that as long as we have nothing to do with Belgrade that's fine with us.
“Albania was left alone. All the others agreed on the text. They (Albania) found the text unacceptable because Kosovo was not really treated as an equal member,” he noted, adding that “there will be no seats for Kosovo at places reserved for sovereign states as long as Serbia is present there.”
Continue like this and there never will be joint declaration in regional meetings. Albania is not left alone, all countries there accept independent Kosovo. In regional meetings is Serbia alone for that matter not Albania.
"Serbia was chosen to lead the UN?" Isn't it about time Vuk reads his actual UN job description and not the imaginary one?
(Vuk home alone, 16 June 2012 12:32)
He's flying high... that's what happens when you give power to children :)
European Balkan, I read your post twice, and have no clue what the hell you are trying to say. I get the gist that you are anti-Jeremic, you must be Albanian, but your mastery of English is quite inadequate. Maybe you should stick to Albanian news sites to post your opinions, if there are such sites? Because I do not think that Albanian thugs in Pristina and Tirana allow freedom of speech and opinion. You must do as they say.
(Ecoman, 16 June 2012 15:37)
Ecoman,
My 10 year old daughter read European Balkan's comments only once and understood them perfectly. Perhaps it is you that needs to improve your reading comprehensive skills, although you claim English is your first language.
"Wherever we cannot take part in organisations like the one you mention we have Albania who represents us, just like the case was yesterday in the middle of Begrade. "
(Mendo, 16 June 2012 15:58)
And just like it will be for Olympic games in London - athletes from Kosovo only have to apply for Albanian citizenship, like your Judo athlete did.
My 10 year old daughter read European Balkan's comments only once and understood them perfectly. Perhaps it is you that needs to improve your reading comprehensive skills, although you claim English is your first language.
(The Count of Kosova, 16 June 2012 20:42)
=====================================
At what age do you people push politics on your children?
"As long as Serbia does not accept Kosova as an independent state in regional conferences and so on Serbia will not be allowed to join the EU"
(besim, 17 June 2012 09:08)
Wrong, you should read the agreement: Serbia will accept Kosovo* in regional conferences, without prejudice to the status.
*=This designation is without prejudice to positions on status, and is in line with UNSC 1244 and the ICJ Opinion on the Kosovo Declaration of Independence."
“Belgrade is an open city and Serbia was chosen to lead the UN. Our doors are open to all who want to come here,” he concluded."
Is he really so delusional? The man suffers from pathological narcissism. No one chose any country to lead the UN, and the least of all Serbia. As a Serb he will do nothing new for Serbia as a head of UN assembly , which is just a "romantic" position.
As for the usual yada-yada, every day that goes by, Kosova is more io a country than he and his Serbia ever dreamt of.
Even with the strong arm tactics of the USA and the EU, an independent Albanian Kosovo is not a reality.
(Winston, 16 June 2012 16:26)
Mate, what you're saying is a big offense to the Serbs in North Kosovo telling them that they were hallucinating and holding a refendum about something that does not exist LOL
So what we are one nation, representing Albania or Kosovo is same thing. I see nothing wrong with that.
(Mendo, 16 June 2012 18:44)
Indeed,
What does kosovo mean in Albanian? Both Albanian states must rid of all foerign toponyms. The slavs and greeks did it when when the turks left, we still have lots of infulences from all who swept through the Ballkans. Start form the top and rename kosovo to Dardanian Republic. Then work downwards to counties....
a president of the UN General Assembly should be independent and multilateral. Jeremic, you failed! At first Nikolic then this. It is always the result when people are overestimating their importance.
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