Albania blocks joint declaration at end of SEECP summit

Serbian Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremić, who presided over the meeting at the moment, noted that the declaration was not adopted, because of opposition from one country.

Nice, I just love it. Vuk must be very pissed!

Albania has done the right thing!

Viva Albania.

Now wait, Albania is trying to blackmail all the other countries in SE Europe to force them to accept the Kosovo Albanians as an equal country? That's cute, Albanians looking after Albanians. I say, who gives a crap what Albania wants? Kosovo is represented with an asterisk, therefore not an equal, and it is a partially recognized country. Yawn.

Albanians rejection is hardly surprising!
After all, they can’t even agree on their own government!

Why is albania even included in the (SEECP) Summit?
They have nothing in common with their neighbours.
albanians are clearly a destabilizing factor in the region and need to be cut off.
I think everyone was happier when Enver Hoxha was in charge and albania was an isolated hole separated from the civilized world!

Behold, the might power of Albania! With its speed boat ban imposed by Brussels, its excruciatingly long process of selecting a government and a President, it has wielded the mighty baton of Illyrian truth to show how it can stop the adoption of a resolution by a regional grouping. Shake in your boots minions! This is just the beginning of a glorious albanian revolution that will sweep the world! You are all Illyrian and will return to the the fold. All hail, mighty Albania!

"Previously, Belortaja conveyed in his speech Tirana's stance that Kosovo should be allowed to become an equal member of the SEECP and other regional initiatives.

He added that there were various interpretations of the Brussels agreement but that a formula that would allow Kosovo to participate in the regional meetings could certainly be found."

Yes, the formula is there, which means that not Kosovo, but Kosovo* can participate in regional meeting. It must be clear for everyone that Kosovo is not a recognized country, so it cannot become an 'equal member'.

Kosova is in SE europe and nobody can deny it! People live there & they are not part of any country but their own so they have the right to represent themselves! Easy peasy lemon squeezy!

Why don't they just let the two countries duke it out for Kosovo? Albania vs Serbia. Would that be too difficult? Would either side object?

@"kosova-usa":

you think Jeremić "is pissed"? ( by the way, is that albanian or american vulgarity speaking? )

just to give you a little hint, my dear friend...

the albanian official tapped into a rather simple trap, actually.

now, on a summit where all of them agreed to something, ONLY the albanian guy is to be blamed for the outcome.

very smart albanian politician, I would say.

a nice day to you over there in the US, my friend. with all those possibilities for education and free information... you are not capable of realizing what everybody can easily see.

the Serb made the Albanian look stupid, and YOU Albanians in here are even celebrating it!

priceless.

you made my day.

Yes, the formula is there, which means that not Kosovo, but Kosovo* can participate in regional meeting. It must be clear for everyone that Kosovo is not a recognized country, so it cannot become an 'equal member'.
(Comm. Parrisson, 15 June 2012 15:38)
As a reminder for you... Kosova has been recognised by all SEECP countries, except for Serbia, which means that if they would vote in that forume the eligibility of Kosova to participate, Serbs would lose.

Why is albania even included in the (SEECP) Summit? 
They have nothing in common with their neighbours. 
albanians are clearly a destabilizing factor in the region and need to be cut off. 
I think everyone was happier when Enver Hoxha was in charge and albania was an isolated hole separated from the civilized world!
(Sam, 15 June 2012 15:54)

The Balkans region has proven oil reserves totalling approximately 345 million barrels. Of that, 198 million barrels is located in Albania.
Some experts says that Albanian mineral reserevs top world list. Gold, diamonds, platinum, zink, iron, coal, chromium etc.
Albania is one of Europe's richest country reagarding water resources.
Many experts predict that within 10 - 15 years, Albania will be "Europe's China". Which means that albania will become one of Europe's richest countries, this is what economists within World Bank and the IMF says, not me.
Greeks and other non-Albanians come to Albania to work. Tell your Serbian friends who are unemployed to go to albania to work ...... ops they are already there. See you brate within 10-15 years and we can talk then.

Thank you Albania!

@Jovan, just showing serbija is not a factor in balkan, and has no political or economical power left, that´s a fact, and now with a president in the sh*t list among europeens leaders(do 2 srebrenica masacre) you have 5 dark years ahead

"And im totaly indifferent about the matter, bcs i dont have any particular feeling about kosovo, as i dont consider them to be the same with us...."
(tiranaboy, 15 June 2012 19:34)

Please explain; what do you mean by "I don't consider them to be the same with us". Are you saying Kosovo Albanians aren't Albanians? Or they are less Albanian? If yes, why?

You know, I have been following you for a while now on B92 and its really hard to believe that an Albanian would make such outrageous comments concerning other Albanians. As i recall, you once even complimented the hard line serb nationalist momcilo for his (hear this my fellow Albanians) 'objectiveness' regarding the Kosova issue. Momcilo objective about Kosova? Can you believe this?. A real Albanian (and I don't consider you to be one) would never make such statements, especially on a serbian website. You my friend have given the word "troll" a whole new meaning.

to tirana boy..

If you're tirana boy then i'm belgradian boy.. Please let's be honest... You write Serbia in capital letters and when it comes to Albania you don't.. Isn't it a little bit strange..?? And then you say that Belgrade is magnificient!! You're right in some things regarding economy, though. The last thing i want to add is that, even in Albania the "money" is concentrated in Tirana, almost 40% of the gdp comes from there. You must've known this.
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Albania blocking the seecp declaration, is nothing that special. Serbia is blockin Kosova continuosly, why should Albania not return this favour to Serbia sometimes, huh?? It serves, to make Serbia reflect that we can act this way too, so behave.. The grave digger that you have for president(nikolic) wasn't that happy with this, I see.. haha... What a good guy, you have for president. Everyone envies you guys for that..haha
I wonder what you'll choose next as a president, a BUTCHER. oh hell, I forgot you had a butcher too. Unfortunetly he died in the Hague.. what a pitty.. :) I think you're hopeless.. lol

Cheers

More political failure for serbian side.
Performance on political stages - same as Greece.
Only difference: Greece is free country; Serbia is vassal subject of foreign power.

Some serbs still think the have power left in balkans, please see the link below.

This is serbian political power in europe:
http://vimeo.com/44088636#

for serbs that are not good in albanian, she called Robert Cooper to introduce to with Nicolic, because she dosen´t know his face, hahahaha

Good idea, Marko. Nikolic and Berisha should put on a pair of wrestling tights and let the best man have Kosovo. Would that be any sillier than what the US / EU is currently doing in resolving the KiM issue?

I don't know why they allow Albania there in the first place? Like they had something to offer. Kick them out, and move on.

Somehow I knew that nobody would mention the interesting point here.
The reports say that only Albania disagreed with the declaration. In other words even though Macedonia, Montenegro etc have recognised Kosovo as a nation state, they did not support the Albanian position.

From a Kosovo Albanian perspective it may be good that Albania did not back down, however it is also worrying that in the region there is only one country that can be relied upon (without US pressure etc) to support the Kosovo government in its quest for representation.

For me thats as much the story here as it is about no declaration being signed.

momcilo, fact are facts. Kosovo really is very poor, but this because it was part of the Yougoslavia for decades. Here in albania, as wikipedia show, the gdp per capita is 8 000$ or 8 800% bcs wikipedia doesn't consider that our latest census showed 200 000 albanians less living in albania. If i am not wrong, you in Serbia live slightly better, but our economy is 50% not registered, so probably we live the same way, or slighty better in albania. Unemployment, in Serbia about 25%, in albania 13,4%. Your inflation is rampant, our is stable and dont talk about growth. So open your eyes. Serbia is doing wrong, and trust me, i have visited your country several times. Of course, no one can compare belgrade and tirana, you capital is magnificent, but i can see total misery in Kragujevac, Uzice, Prijepolje, Vrane, etc etc. The money is concentrated in belgrade, in albania is not. Look HDI, FDI and a lot of other statistic in with you will see the true face of Serbia. Nice contry, agreable people, but fixed with the glorious past... And im totaly indifferent about the matter, bcs i dont have any particular feeling about kosovo, as i dont consider them to be the same with us....

My advice, dont invite Albania to these meetings. They are no one in the region, and honestly, why care about such a weak partner in the first place. Did you expect anything less?
This is not a big deal.. and its funny you albo trolls keep saying Serbia is no one.. they are the regional leader. Like it or not, and they will continue to be. And again.. the EU collectively..whether they recognized Kosovo or not.. have zero interest or benefit by supporting them now. They took their orders, that's it. Serbia is doing a fine job keeping that illegal state of Kosovo out of all major world organs. And Russia and China are solid on the topic as well. Say all you want.. albania is no one and nothing..and Kosovo will be reintegrated once your babysitters decide that enough is enough..and then you will all need a box of kleenex again.

Here's some food for thought.. Serbias average salary is $664/monthly, albanians' is $332, that is half. Serbia exports over $11billion in exports yearly, albania a little short of $2billion. as much as you albo trolls talk about how weak Serbia is.. our economy is far better..Croatia is crumbling.. besides Slovenia, no one else is doing great. So please spare me the "oh Serbia is poor" , albania is beyond poor..theyre comparable to the poorest nations in the world! go read the facts! now imagine Kosovo, its twice as worse. Reintegrate, and help our Southern Province do something productive for a change.

(Momcilo, 15 June 2012 18:52)

Serbia's unemployment rate is 23.7% or more. If Prishtina blocks Serbia goods coming to Kosovo, you your economy will fall, losing billions. 

If Albania is so great, why do you guys keep on coming to my country with false papers pretending to be greek or italian? Of 990 caught year, you are in top place with the congolese and algerians. We have nothing but trouble with you using your machine guns and knives over here as if you are at home.

http://www.lacapitale.be/434914/article/actualite/l-info-en-continu/2012-06-13/faux-documents%C2%A0-surtout-des-albanais-des-algeriens-et-des-congolais

Tirana boy..
You are right, SErbia has always been too centralized. A problem that has plagued us forever, which is not good. There are other cities that are not as bad as you mentioned. But overall, valid point. Serbia's exports are still great, and the standard of living has improved. Kosovo , yes, our province was part of Yugoslavia, as a province of Serbia. Fact of the matter is that Serbia was very corrupt.. its a fact. Most of those people , and crime bosses, are behind bars. Kosovo is still beyond corrupt. And the citizens there suffer. And will continue to do so. They are much better off.. all Albanians and Serbs under Serbian supervision, rather than criminals like thaci , etc. Those guys are just laundering money, filling their bank accounts. And the situation will not improve. Let's get real here, if they think they had it bad in the 70's, and 80's, today they are at their worst. These criminals today are even worse.. they are selling the citizens on false hopes. a Black HOle is exactly what its becoming..its going to take a lot to get things back to normal.

"Many experts predict that within 10 - 15 years, Albania will be "Europe's China". Which means that albania will become one of Europe's richest countries, this is what economists within World Bank and the IMF says, not me."
(Bridge, 15 June 2012 17:58)

Albania one of Europes richest countries? In 10 years? That's more than ridiculous. Simple and easy: From a very low level it's only natural to have higher growth rates. But so what? Even China with it's 8-10% annual growth will need DECADES until it reaches the average EU level regarding GDP, salary and living standards.

You can calculate yourself: With the Albanian average monthly salary being around €250, how many years(better say: decades) will it take to reach the European average of €1,200, with an assumed annual growth of 10% (very optimistic) for Albania and 2% for the EU average salary?

@Momcilo, only your state would agree on your advice, cos none of the other state would accept it, hence the name cooperation.

@Sam, you call us a destabilizing factor, but it wasnt us who took part in every war that happened in balkan, we all know that, even you know that.

@MikeC, what did you offer to balkan? why dont you ask your neighbors? I am pretty sure that they have a good answer to that, as i am pretty sure that its an answer that you will not accept, as always.

@Ecoman, why would we blackmail the other countries of SEECP, when we have good relations with them?

for those that think that we exist cos of USA, we have existed before we had the support of USA, but we dont forget to thank them for their support, dont u do the same with Russia?

Enver Roxa, 15 June 2012 16:02

'Behold of Albania...'

Took your beloved Kosovo, now didn't it.

Momcillo
I agree with your considerations totally. I had three points to clarify. You are mistaken in beliving that Serbian people live better than us. We live, probably the same as in Montenegro, slightly better than Macedonia and we remain behind Croatia and Slovenia. Of course, Albania is not important if you see our country in a global highlight, but Serbia the same. In Balkans, Albania is a factor you have to consider, not because we are powerfull, but because we occupy an important part of peninsula and we do live in 4-5 other countries, such we have the potential to disrupt the Balkans and this is used mainly from other powers than Tirana itself.
The second, during Yougoslavia, everybody lived better than today. This is why no mayor uprising happened in Kosovo (apart 1981 one). But, the centralization is precisely what destroyed you. I don’t belive in nationalism as a main power and if Kosovo today is free, is because for decades you couldn’t decentralize the welth. The Albanian factor is the second most important. Today Kosovo is a failed state, but your beloved Serbia, as my Albania, do not create big hopes for the future, this is why kosovar belive are better by themselves. And the third, don’t trust much the statistic. The guy in Belgrade hotel were I slept, earned 20 000 denars in month for 40 h in week job. 200 euro, and this is low even with our standarts. Iam payed 800euro fom the newspaper I work, but i am payed 250 euro in bank and the rest is informal :)

Viva Las Vegas!

*I'm not dead, but hiding out in Skhoder.

Toni, fairy tales aren't real. Unicorns don't exist either. They share the same space with your facts which any educated person can easily dismantle. It's time to grow up.

Toni – Ashton strikes me as an extremely unprofessional and uninformed. – how can anyone trust an individual to make international decisions impacting millions of people if she does not have knowledge about the people she is dealing with.

Red and black

Red and black, probably you are Albanian like me. I would like you to see the situation without feelings and look the history. As far as yllyrian times, Albania was populated from several large tribes, but Kosovo was totally dominated from dardania and we never formed an unique state. This continued for centuries, and in fact, Kosovo and Albania, apart WW2, were never together as an independent state. You will argue that during ottoman times, byzantine times or even romans, we have no borders, but still, never Albania and Kosovo were part of an unique, independent, sovran state. The language is not the same, I don’t understand the geg dialect and religion in Albania is not important at all, in Kosovo is as important as nationalism. I am not saying that kosovar are not Albanian, but we are like brother, german and Austrian, not really the same thing. This is my opinion, but I understand this maybe outrage you and a lot of my compatriots. Of course, I am not saying that Kosovo is Serbian, in fact it isn’t. Maybe, the serbs have a point in the legality of independence, because if Kosovo is independent, what about chechenya or Tibet, they diserve to be free, but US and NATO “can’t free” them for obvious reasons. I belive that the law should be the same for everybody, free all, or do nothing (the same as lybia, Syria, etc etc). Of course, we are happy, but if one day a referendum in albania will ask me if I want to be in the same state as Kosovo, I will say NO.

toni

What the heck was that link all about? It was in albanian and you expect non albanians to understand?

By the way, impressive albanian tv studio at the begining of the clip. Ha ha ha!

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From a Kosovo Albanian perspective it may be good that Albania did not back down, however it is also worrying that in the region there is only one country that can be relied upon (without US pressure etc) to support the Kosovo government in its quest for representation.

For me thats as much the story here as it is about no declaration being signed.
(bganon, 15 June 2012 18:13) "

On the other hand, there was a regional meeting of local government heads yesterday in Romania where Kosovo was represented "symmetrically" (including with a table flag) and the Serbian representative simply didn't participate. This will save the Serbian government a ton of money, if they stop sending representatives to all those meetings everybody in the region seems to be addicted to.

Previously, Belortaja conveyed in his speech Tirana's stance that Kosovo should be allowed to become an equal member of the SEECP and other regional initiatives.

He added that there were various interpretations of the Brussels agreement but that a formula that would allow Kosovo to participate in the regional meetings could certainly be found.

Yeah there was an agreement reached - Kosovo name plate with a footnote, simple as that. That's all you albanians had to do. The Serbian side always compromises whilst all you can do is say no.

@Tirana Boy. Your approaches are pro Serbian, but let me do a question for you. Serbs are as asking to be in the same State with Kosova. You are asking not to be in same state with Kosova. Who is right you or Serbs? You behave like a modern and not nationalist boy and prefer to discuss only for economic point of view. Another question for you. An Albanian Market with 6 million(Albania+Kosova) people is more attractive than an Albanian Market with 4 million people(Only Albania)? Tell me visionary modern boy.

declaring war secretly?...if you declare war to someone or some country, you do that officially momcilo, your words make no sense on that..another thing that i would like you to recall since you are good at recalling as i have seen in your comments, is that when war broke in Kosovo, albanians there, though outnumbered and not well armed, stood against your army...so dont dream about doghouses and horseshoes....i emphasize it horseshoes ;)

tiranaboy congrats vlla you just earned the sympathy of a serbian

Does Tirana have a main port and access..yes? makes it important. however..point is Albania is not a main factor in the Balkans from any standpoint. And when you remember the conflict in Kosovo they didnt openly declare war..they did it secretly. Serbian military continues tobe the strongest in the Balkans. and from a legality standpoint resolution 1244 states Kosovo remains a supervised entity..however part of Serbia. So the fight goes on..all im saying is that Tirana Boy is smart by saying he wldnt want Kosovo part of Albania..simply because it dsnt need any furthr corruption. these criminals like thaci will see their end. Lastly..Serbs will not gv up foothold in the north. And they will politically fight this until they can..and one day God forbiding it may become another mess. And Albania will sit on the sidelines..again. U albos have no clue..ur taking orders in Kosovo..top to bottom. Once the treats run out..u go back to the doghouse..and whatever happens will not be up to you.

please let me write on albanian a phrase, to show tani that i am really albanian. o tani, mos ja fut kot dhe shifi gjerat me logjike, sepse sjam serb as ndonje gje tjeter, por plotesisht shqiptar dhe nikolic seshte presidenti im. but do not forget that in Albania, 40% of the population lives in Tirana, so it is normal that 40% of GDP will be concentrated in the capital, unlike the situation in Serbia, good night and all the best

"You can calculate yourself: With the Albanian average monthly salary being around €250, how many years(better say: decades) will it take to reach the European average of €1,200, with an assumed annual growth of 10% (very optimistic) for Albania and 2% for the EU average salary?
(Comm. Parrisson, 15 June 2012 21:09) "

Using the starting amounts and rates of growth you cite, the AL and Eur rates will be about the same - (€1851 AL, €1818 Eur), in 21 years, that is, well within the working life of most young Albanians. (The €1,200 for the current European average sounds low, though, and the Albanian rate will probably not average 10% for the entire period.)

Red&Black, 15 June 2012 20:57

Dont mind Tirana boy, Kosovars are Albanian and our brothers :)

"please let me write on albanian a phrase, to show tani that i am really albanian. "
(tiranaboy, 16 June 2012 05:01)

Amazing that people suspect that you are not Albanian, only because you are a realist, see things like they are, and you don't agree with the usual nationalistic nonsense and wishful thinking of the average (Kosovo-) Albanian posting here.

@dori tirana

dori, i make several considerations in taking such a position, not just the economical one. And, i don't belive you have a point in your consideration that a common market with kosovo will benefit the albanian economy. First of all, you don't need to be united to function as a common market and the EU proves this. However, tell me one thing, why my money, you money and the rest of 3 milion albanians living here, should go to build a twice poorer contry, in the time we need desperately more investiments in albania? So let it be, now kosovo is you second export partner (Cia factbook 2011) and you will continue to sell more and more in the future.
@ momcillo also have a point. For the moment kosovo is a black hole in balkan and we don't need that in albania, no more mafia and corruption. An other consideration, now kosovo has a lot of problems with it's status. Unite and you bring this problems to tirana, a sovereign and indepent state since 1912.
Third, you know that we do have division between south and north in our country. With two milion more "northeners", you risk an uprising in the southern part populated by ethnic greeks and i don't wan't to see albania divided for the sake of kosovo. And more important, our poet, Pashko Vasa, once said: Dont look churches and mosques, our religion is albanism. This is not happening in 95% islamic (moderate and unfortunately radical too) kosovo. And i like to continue to live in my religion tension-free country....

For me thats as much the story here as it is about no declaration being signed.
(bganon, 15 June 2012 18:13)


Interesting that slavs and greeks standing together against Albanian interest apparently is a story to you.

Albanians rejection is hardly surprising!
After all, they can’t even agree on their own government!

Why is albania even included in the (SEECP) Summit?
They have nothing in common with their neighbours.
albanians are clearly a destabilizing factor in the region and need to be cut off.
I think everyone was happier when Enver Hoxha was in charge and albania was an isolated hole separated from the civilized world!

Now wait, Albania is trying to blackmail all the other countries in SE Europe to force them to accept the Kosovo Albanians as an equal country? That's cute, Albanians looking after Albanians. I say, who gives a crap what Albania wants? Kosovo is represented with an asterisk, therefore not an equal, and it is a partially recognized country. Yawn.

Serbian Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremić, who presided over the meeting at the moment, noted that the declaration was not adopted, because of opposition from one country.

Nice, I just love it. Vuk must be very pissed!

@"kosova-usa":

you think Jeremić "is pissed"? ( by the way, is that albanian or american vulgarity speaking? )

just to give you a little hint, my dear friend...

the albanian official tapped into a rather simple trap, actually.

now, on a summit where all of them agreed to something, ONLY the albanian guy is to be blamed for the outcome.

very smart albanian politician, I would say.

a nice day to you over there in the US, my friend. with all those possibilities for education and free information... you are not capable of realizing what everybody can easily see.

the Serb made the Albanian look stupid, and YOU Albanians in here are even celebrating it!

priceless.

you made my day.

Behold, the might power of Albania! With its speed boat ban imposed by Brussels, its excruciatingly long process of selecting a government and a President, it has wielded the mighty baton of Illyrian truth to show how it can stop the adoption of a resolution by a regional grouping. Shake in your boots minions! This is just the beginning of a glorious albanian revolution that will sweep the world! You are all Illyrian and will return to the the fold. All hail, mighty Albania!

I don't know why they allow Albania there in the first place? Like they had something to offer. Kick them out, and move on.

"Previously, Belortaja conveyed in his speech Tirana's stance that Kosovo should be allowed to become an equal member of the SEECP and other regional initiatives.

He added that there were various interpretations of the Brussels agreement but that a formula that would allow Kosovo to participate in the regional meetings could certainly be found."

Yes, the formula is there, which means that not Kosovo, but Kosovo* can participate in regional meeting. It must be clear for everyone that Kosovo is not a recognized country, so it cannot become an 'equal member'.

If Albania is so great, why do you guys keep on coming to my country with false papers pretending to be greek or italian? Of 990 caught year, you are in top place with the congolese and algerians. We have nothing but trouble with you using your machine guns and knives over here as if you are at home.

http://www.lacapitale.be/434914/article/actualite/l-info-en-continu/2012-06-13/faux-documents%C2%A0-surtout-des-albanais-des-algeriens-et-des-congolais

Good idea, Marko. Nikolic and Berisha should put on a pair of wrestling tights and let the best man have Kosovo. Would that be any sillier than what the US / EU is currently doing in resolving the KiM issue?

My advice, dont invite Albania to these meetings. They are no one in the region, and honestly, why care about such a weak partner in the first place. Did you expect anything less?
This is not a big deal.. and its funny you albo trolls keep saying Serbia is no one.. they are the regional leader. Like it or not, and they will continue to be. And again.. the EU collectively..whether they recognized Kosovo or not.. have zero interest or benefit by supporting them now. They took their orders, that's it. Serbia is doing a fine job keeping that illegal state of Kosovo out of all major world organs. And Russia and China are solid on the topic as well. Say all you want.. albania is no one and nothing..and Kosovo will be reintegrated once your babysitters decide that enough is enough..and then you will all need a box of kleenex again.

Here's some food for thought.. Serbias average salary is $664/monthly, albanians' is $332, that is half. Serbia exports over $11billion in exports yearly, albania a little short of $2billion. as much as you albo trolls talk about how weak Serbia is.. our economy is far better..Croatia is crumbling.. besides Slovenia, no one else is doing great. So please spare me the "oh Serbia is poor" , albania is beyond poor..theyre comparable to the poorest nations in the world! go read the facts! now imagine Kosovo, its twice as worse. Reintegrate, and help our Southern Province do something productive for a change.

Kosova is in SE europe and nobody can deny it! People live there & they are not part of any country but their own so they have the right to represent themselves! Easy peasy lemon squeezy!

Albania has done the right thing!

More political failure for serbian side.
Performance on political stages - same as Greece.
Only difference: Greece is free country; Serbia is vassal subject of foreign power.

Why is albania even included in the (SEECP) Summit? 
They have nothing in common with their neighbours. 
albanians are clearly a destabilizing factor in the region and need to be cut off. 
I think everyone was happier when Enver Hoxha was in charge and albania was an isolated hole separated from the civilized world!
(Sam, 15 June 2012 15:54)

The Balkans region has proven oil reserves totalling approximately 345 million barrels. Of that, 198 million barrels is located in Albania.
Some experts says that Albanian mineral reserevs top world list. Gold, diamonds, platinum, zink, iron, coal, chromium etc.
Albania is one of Europe's richest country reagarding water resources.
Many experts predict that within 10 - 15 years, Albania will be "Europe's China". Which means that albania will become one of Europe's richest countries, this is what economists within World Bank and the IMF says, not me.
Greeks and other non-Albanians come to Albania to work. Tell your Serbian friends who are unemployed to go to albania to work ...... ops they are already there. See you brate within 10-15 years and we can talk then.

Red and black

Red and black, probably you are Albanian like me. I would like you to see the situation without feelings and look the history. As far as yllyrian times, Albania was populated from several large tribes, but Kosovo was totally dominated from dardania and we never formed an unique state. This continued for centuries, and in fact, Kosovo and Albania, apart WW2, were never together as an independent state. You will argue that during ottoman times, byzantine times or even romans, we have no borders, but still, never Albania and Kosovo were part of an unique, independent, sovran state. The language is not the same, I don’t understand the geg dialect and religion in Albania is not important at all, in Kosovo is as important as nationalism. I am not saying that kosovar are not Albanian, but we are like brother, german and Austrian, not really the same thing. This is my opinion, but I understand this maybe outrage you and a lot of my compatriots. Of course, I am not saying that Kosovo is Serbian, in fact it isn’t. Maybe, the serbs have a point in the legality of independence, because if Kosovo is independent, what about chechenya or Tibet, they diserve to be free, but US and NATO “can’t free” them for obvious reasons. I belive that the law should be the same for everybody, free all, or do nothing (the same as lybia, Syria, etc etc). Of course, we are happy, but if one day a referendum in albania will ask me if I want to be in the same state as Kosovo, I will say NO.

Why don't they just let the two countries duke it out for Kosovo? Albania vs Serbia. Would that be too difficult? Would either side object?

@Jovan, just showing serbija is not a factor in balkan, and has no political or economical power left, that´s a fact, and now with a president in the sh*t list among europeens leaders(do 2 srebrenica masacre) you have 5 dark years ahead

momcilo, fact are facts. Kosovo really is very poor, but this because it was part of the Yougoslavia for decades. Here in albania, as wikipedia show, the gdp per capita is 8 000$ or 8 800% bcs wikipedia doesn't consider that our latest census showed 200 000 albanians less living in albania. If i am not wrong, you in Serbia live slightly better, but our economy is 50% not registered, so probably we live the same way, or slighty better in albania. Unemployment, in Serbia about 25%, in albania 13,4%. Your inflation is rampant, our is stable and dont talk about growth. So open your eyes. Serbia is doing wrong, and trust me, i have visited your country several times. Of course, no one can compare belgrade and tirana, you capital is magnificent, but i can see total misery in Kragujevac, Uzice, Prijepolje, Vrane, etc etc. The money is concentrated in belgrade, in albania is not. Look HDI, FDI and a lot of other statistic in with you will see the true face of Serbia. Nice contry, agreable people, but fixed with the glorious past... And im totaly indifferent about the matter, bcs i dont have any particular feeling about kosovo, as i dont consider them to be the same with us....

Yes, the formula is there, which means that not Kosovo, but Kosovo* can participate in regional meeting. It must be clear for everyone that Kosovo is not a recognized country, so it cannot become an 'equal member'.
(Comm. Parrisson, 15 June 2012 15:38)
As a reminder for you... Kosova has been recognised by all SEECP countries, except for Serbia, which means that if they would vote in that forume the eligibility of Kosova to participate, Serbs would lose.

Viva Albania.

Some serbs still think the have power left in balkans, please see the link below.

This is serbian political power in europe:
http://vimeo.com/44088636#

for serbs that are not good in albanian, she called Robert Cooper to introduce to with Nicolic, because she dosen´t know his face, hahahaha

(Momcilo, 15 June 2012 18:52)

Serbia's unemployment rate is 23.7% or more. If Prishtina blocks Serbia goods coming to Kosovo, you your economy will fall, losing billions. 

Tirana boy..
You are right, SErbia has always been too centralized. A problem that has plagued us forever, which is not good. There are other cities that are not as bad as you mentioned. But overall, valid point. Serbia's exports are still great, and the standard of living has improved. Kosovo , yes, our province was part of Yugoslavia, as a province of Serbia. Fact of the matter is that Serbia was very corrupt.. its a fact. Most of those people , and crime bosses, are behind bars. Kosovo is still beyond corrupt. And the citizens there suffer. And will continue to do so. They are much better off.. all Albanians and Serbs under Serbian supervision, rather than criminals like thaci , etc. Those guys are just laundering money, filling their bank accounts. And the situation will not improve. Let's get real here, if they think they had it bad in the 70's, and 80's, today they are at their worst. These criminals today are even worse.. they are selling the citizens on false hopes. a Black HOle is exactly what its becoming..its going to take a lot to get things back to normal.

toni

What the heck was that link all about? It was in albanian and you expect non albanians to understand?

By the way, impressive albanian tv studio at the begining of the clip. Ha ha ha!

to tirana boy..

If you're tirana boy then i'm belgradian boy.. Please let's be honest... You write Serbia in capital letters and when it comes to Albania you don't.. Isn't it a little bit strange..?? And then you say that Belgrade is magnificient!! You're right in some things regarding economy, though. The last thing i want to add is that, even in Albania the "money" is concentrated in Tirana, almost 40% of the gdp comes from there. You must've known this.
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Albania blocking the seecp declaration, is nothing that special. Serbia is blockin Kosova continuosly, why should Albania not return this favour to Serbia sometimes, huh?? It serves, to make Serbia reflect that we can act this way too, so behave.. The grave digger that you have for president(nikolic) wasn't that happy with this, I see.. haha... What a good guy, you have for president. Everyone envies you guys for that..haha
I wonder what you'll choose next as a president, a BUTCHER. oh hell, I forgot you had a butcher too. Unfortunetly he died in the Hague.. what a pitty.. :) I think you're hopeless.. lol

Cheers

"Many experts predict that within 10 - 15 years, Albania will be "Europe's China". Which means that albania will become one of Europe's richest countries, this is what economists within World Bank and the IMF says, not me."
(Bridge, 15 June 2012 17:58)

Albania one of Europes richest countries? In 10 years? That's more than ridiculous. Simple and easy: From a very low level it's only natural to have higher growth rates. But so what? Even China with it's 8-10% annual growth will need DECADES until it reaches the average EU level regarding GDP, salary and living standards.

You can calculate yourself: With the Albanian average monthly salary being around €250, how many years(better say: decades) will it take to reach the European average of €1,200, with an assumed annual growth of 10% (very optimistic) for Albania and 2% for the EU average salary?

"And im totaly indifferent about the matter, bcs i dont have any particular feeling about kosovo, as i dont consider them to be the same with us...."
(tiranaboy, 15 June 2012 19:34)

Please explain; what do you mean by "I don't consider them to be the same with us". Are you saying Kosovo Albanians aren't Albanians? Or they are less Albanian? If yes, why?

You know, I have been following you for a while now on B92 and its really hard to believe that an Albanian would make such outrageous comments concerning other Albanians. As i recall, you once even complimented the hard line serb nationalist momcilo for his (hear this my fellow Albanians) 'objectiveness' regarding the Kosova issue. Momcilo objective about Kosova? Can you believe this?. A real Albanian (and I don't consider you to be one) would never make such statements, especially on a serbian website. You my friend have given the word "troll" a whole new meaning.

Enver Roxa, 15 June 2012 16:02

'Behold of Albania...'

Took your beloved Kosovo, now didn't it.

Toni – Ashton strikes me as an extremely unprofessional and uninformed. – how can anyone trust an individual to make international decisions impacting millions of people if she does not have knowledge about the people she is dealing with.

Thank you Albania!

@Momcilo, only your state would agree on your advice, cos none of the other state would accept it, hence the name cooperation.

@Sam, you call us a destabilizing factor, but it wasnt us who took part in every war that happened in balkan, we all know that, even you know that.

@MikeC, what did you offer to balkan? why dont you ask your neighbors? I am pretty sure that they have a good answer to that, as i am pretty sure that its an answer that you will not accept, as always.

@Ecoman, why would we blackmail the other countries of SEECP, when we have good relations with them?

for those that think that we exist cos of USA, we have existed before we had the support of USA, but we dont forget to thank them for their support, dont u do the same with Russia?

please let me write on albanian a phrase, to show tani that i am really albanian. o tani, mos ja fut kot dhe shifi gjerat me logjike, sepse sjam serb as ndonje gje tjeter, por plotesisht shqiptar dhe nikolic seshte presidenti im. but do not forget that in Albania, 40% of the population lives in Tirana, so it is normal that 40% of GDP will be concentrated in the capital, unlike the situation in Serbia, good night and all the best

Momcillo
I agree with your considerations totally. I had three points to clarify. You are mistaken in beliving that Serbian people live better than us. We live, probably the same as in Montenegro, slightly better than Macedonia and we remain behind Croatia and Slovenia. Of course, Albania is not important if you see our country in a global highlight, but Serbia the same. In Balkans, Albania is a factor you have to consider, not because we are powerfull, but because we occupy an important part of peninsula and we do live in 4-5 other countries, such we have the potential to disrupt the Balkans and this is used mainly from other powers than Tirana itself.
The second, during Yougoslavia, everybody lived better than today. This is why no mayor uprising happened in Kosovo (apart 1981 one). But, the centralization is precisely what destroyed you. I don’t belive in nationalism as a main power and if Kosovo today is free, is because for decades you couldn’t decentralize the welth. The Albanian factor is the second most important. Today Kosovo is a failed state, but your beloved Serbia, as my Albania, do not create big hopes for the future, this is why kosovar belive are better by themselves. And the third, don’t trust much the statistic. The guy in Belgrade hotel were I slept, earned 20 000 denars in month for 40 h in week job. 200 euro, and this is low even with our standarts. Iam payed 800euro fom the newspaper I work, but i am payed 250 euro in bank and the rest is informal :)

@Tirana Boy. Your approaches are pro Serbian, but let me do a question for you. Serbs are as asking to be in the same State with Kosova. You are asking not to be in same state with Kosova. Who is right you or Serbs? You behave like a modern and not nationalist boy and prefer to discuss only for economic point of view. Another question for you. An Albanian Market with 6 million(Albania+Kosova) people is more attractive than an Albanian Market with 4 million people(Only Albania)? Tell me visionary modern boy.

Toni, fairy tales aren't real. Unicorns don't exist either. They share the same space with your facts which any educated person can easily dismantle. It's time to grow up.

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From a Kosovo Albanian perspective it may be good that Albania did not back down, however it is also worrying that in the region there is only one country that can be relied upon (without US pressure etc) to support the Kosovo government in its quest for representation.

For me thats as much the story here as it is about no declaration being signed.
(bganon, 15 June 2012 18:13) "

On the other hand, there was a regional meeting of local government heads yesterday in Romania where Kosovo was represented "symmetrically" (including with a table flag) and the Serbian representative simply didn't participate. This will save the Serbian government a ton of money, if they stop sending representatives to all those meetings everybody in the region seems to be addicted to.

Somehow I knew that nobody would mention the interesting point here.
The reports say that only Albania disagreed with the declaration. In other words even though Macedonia, Montenegro etc have recognised Kosovo as a nation state, they did not support the Albanian position.

From a Kosovo Albanian perspective it may be good that Albania did not back down, however it is also worrying that in the region there is only one country that can be relied upon (without US pressure etc) to support the Kosovo government in its quest for representation.

For me thats as much the story here as it is about no declaration being signed.

Red&Black, 15 June 2012 20:57

Dont mind Tirana boy, Kosovars are Albanian and our brothers :)

Does Tirana have a main port and access..yes? makes it important. however..point is Albania is not a main factor in the Balkans from any standpoint. And when you remember the conflict in Kosovo they didnt openly declare war..they did it secretly. Serbian military continues tobe the strongest in the Balkans. and from a legality standpoint resolution 1244 states Kosovo remains a supervised entity..however part of Serbia. So the fight goes on..all im saying is that Tirana Boy is smart by saying he wldnt want Kosovo part of Albania..simply because it dsnt need any furthr corruption. these criminals like thaci will see their end. Lastly..Serbs will not gv up foothold in the north. And they will politically fight this until they can..and one day God forbiding it may become another mess. And Albania will sit on the sidelines..again. U albos have no clue..ur taking orders in Kosovo..top to bottom. Once the treats run out..u go back to the doghouse..and whatever happens will not be up to you.

Viva Las Vegas!

*I'm not dead, but hiding out in Skhoder.

"please let me write on albanian a phrase, to show tani that i am really albanian. "
(tiranaboy, 16 June 2012 05:01)

Amazing that people suspect that you are not Albanian, only because you are a realist, see things like they are, and you don't agree with the usual nationalistic nonsense and wishful thinking of the average (Kosovo-) Albanian posting here.

Previously, Belortaja conveyed in his speech Tirana's stance that Kosovo should be allowed to become an equal member of the SEECP and other regional initiatives.

He added that there were various interpretations of the Brussels agreement but that a formula that would allow Kosovo to participate in the regional meetings could certainly be found.

Yeah there was an agreement reached - Kosovo name plate with a footnote, simple as that. That's all you albanians had to do. The Serbian side always compromises whilst all you can do is say no.

"You can calculate yourself: With the Albanian average monthly salary being around €250, how many years(better say: decades) will it take to reach the European average of €1,200, with an assumed annual growth of 10% (very optimistic) for Albania and 2% for the EU average salary?
(Comm. Parrisson, 15 June 2012 21:09) "

Using the starting amounts and rates of growth you cite, the AL and Eur rates will be about the same - (€1851 AL, €1818 Eur), in 21 years, that is, well within the working life of most young Albanians. (The €1,200 for the current European average sounds low, though, and the Albanian rate will probably not average 10% for the entire period.)

declaring war secretly?...if you declare war to someone or some country, you do that officially momcilo, your words make no sense on that..another thing that i would like you to recall since you are good at recalling as i have seen in your comments, is that when war broke in Kosovo, albanians there, though outnumbered and not well armed, stood against your army...so dont dream about doghouses and horseshoes....i emphasize it horseshoes ;)

tiranaboy congrats vlla you just earned the sympathy of a serbian

@dori tirana

dori, i make several considerations in taking such a position, not just the economical one. And, i don't belive you have a point in your consideration that a common market with kosovo will benefit the albanian economy. First of all, you don't need to be united to function as a common market and the EU proves this. However, tell me one thing, why my money, you money and the rest of 3 milion albanians living here, should go to build a twice poorer contry, in the time we need desperately more investiments in albania? So let it be, now kosovo is you second export partner (Cia factbook 2011) and you will continue to sell more and more in the future.
@ momcillo also have a point. For the moment kosovo is a black hole in balkan and we don't need that in albania, no more mafia and corruption. An other consideration, now kosovo has a lot of problems with it's status. Unite and you bring this problems to tirana, a sovereign and indepent state since 1912.
Third, you know that we do have division between south and north in our country. With two milion more "northeners", you risk an uprising in the southern part populated by ethnic greeks and i don't wan't to see albania divided for the sake of kosovo. And more important, our poet, Pashko Vasa, once said: Dont look churches and mosques, our religion is albanism. This is not happening in 95% islamic (moderate and unfortunately radical too) kosovo. And i like to continue to live in my religion tension-free country....

For me thats as much the story here as it is about no declaration being signed.
(bganon, 15 June 2012 18:13)


Interesting that slavs and greeks standing together against Albanian interest apparently is a story to you.