Progressives, Democrats trade accusations over investments
The Democratic Party (DS) warned late Wednesday that a government should be formed as soon as possible so that it could get to work on major economic problems.
We can see how good you have done your job Mister Tadic….the country is empty,no money,no investments,no hope with you so please go away and let others to take a GOOD care of this country !!!
I can believe that DS is still point to somebody other mistakes (by the way DS is run this country 12 years not SNS).They ruin this country, rob, sell, pull to the edge of abyss and still try to tell us that they are the one who should be on power. What is wrong with you people?!
Spend three years here and you too will be dreaming of bombs falling.
(Danilo, 7 June 2012 21:25)
Wow, our dear genius Danilo even outdoes himself with this wonderful statement of humanity. Well Danilo, if bombs are falling again courtesy of your beloved NATO war criminals, I hope they fall on your business, and your 'palace'.
For Serbia to become an investment friendly environment...a few things need to happen..
1.There needs to be a separation between govt. officials/their spouses/girlfriends/boyfriends/friends owning businesses that serve their positions..(This goes for all parties)
2.Arrests need to be made and prosecuting seizure of property of the officials that break the rules...
3.Bribery in any form need to systematic be dealt with..
4.Organized crime needs to be dealt with(amazing how many people in their 20's driving 100,000 e car)
5.The govt. Needs to move on past the 90's ...STOP Bringing it up from a negative ..
6.Media and State need to be objective and Separate. (no more immediate relatives working as on air talent)
7.Allow people to be Proud of their heritage...be honest with the people (the days of Communism should be over)
Positive aspect of invest in Serbia:
1.Generally honest moral people..
2.Highly educated
3. Intelligent hard working
4.Trade agreement with Russia and US
Let's try and get the positive list longer then the negative...I would like to recoup my investment in your country and people..if you feel I'm being too hard ,forgive me...I believe we need to strive and be the best we can...
Why don't you go to Albania together with your business?
(aaayyy, 7 June 2012 22:28)
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Sounds like his "business" failed so he is attempting to blame it on the Serbs instead of his own incompetence.
As for foreign investor, making up stories to suit ones political objectives, is not an investor. Investors don't pull out of profitable business ventures due to a government change, especially one that has decided to crack down on corruption. Unless, of course, the said "business" profits from corruption.
"on a personal level I wish the serbian people all the best. Can you say the same?"
No, Sir, I cannot.
After 3 years of enduring the most atrocious scams, the most petty thefts, the most basic betrayals. After years of enduring the most basic incompetence, the most abysmal rudeness. After witnessing Serbs behaving in the most stupid way, trying to get something from me and hurting themselves in the process, again and again, I can only say that I wish only bad things to happen to Serbia.
Thankfully, I don't have to wish too hard.
Spend three years here and you too will be dreaming of bombs falling.
Danilo, as much as I agree on many things you say I don't understand why you're so condecending tone against serbs and Serbia in general. It's bordering on racism.
Regardless of whatever negative positions I have when it comes to the clown Nikolic - sorry Ali, I know that one was spoken for, but I just couldn't help myself;) - the SNS and what not I still can say that, on a personal level I wish the serbian people all the best. Can you say the same? Because your posts certainly don't indicate that.
Anyway, this is all a pretty good illustration as to why foreign investors like "foreign investor" are right to stay away.
Even if the conditions are right, the locals will give you nothing but disrespect unless they want something from you at that moment. Prepare to be scammed by everyone. Expect it to take 10X as long as it should to find the right employees. Productivity is atrocious because simple things take so much longer in Serbia.
Mostly, there will be plenty of Serbs who will never forgive you for giving jobs to Serbs.
The last time I owned you was when I educated you on the benefits of the Russian free trade agreement and why companies would invest in Serbia for the purpose of tapping into Russia's market because of the smaller operating costs than in Russia directly.
You are welcome for that.
Ok so let me get this right, Nikolic denying a genocide that never took place changes a companies profit margin? Tell me where does Srebrenica fit in a company's five year plan?
Are investors worried Bosniaks will launch a war with Serbia over the denial of the fabricated Srebrenica genocide?
Stealing? OH okay so now you are defending tycoons who made millions (and billions for some) off the suffering of others during war time. So Danilo is actually defending plutocratic tycoons who made money off other peoples troubles. That is not stealing? But taking that back and giving those assets to people who actually love Serbia is stealing?
THE reason why you are against a revolution in Serbia, against tycoons paying for what they did and against the diaspora having any involvement in Serbia is because
YOU PERSONALLY BENEFIT OFF THIS CORRUPT SYSTEM IN SERBIA
I have you figured out now, Ujko you aren't fooling anyone.
problem is that Serbia doesn't sell anything much to Russia. I suppose if a company wanted to they COULD, but they could also just move to Russia and save the shipping costs.
"Tell me where does Srebrenica fit in a company's five year plan? "
making noises which affect political stability in the region affect stability in the region. (which affects stability). btw, the sky is also blue.
"So Danilo is actually defending plutocratic tycoons who made money off other peoples troubles"
no. I'm just saying theft is bad.
"YOU PERSONALLY BENEFIT OFF THIS CORRUPT SYSTEM IN SERBIA "
In way, you're right. I benefit from the collective stupidity of Serbs. They are stupid in a variety of ways. This causes wages and cost of living to be low. I get to live in a palace for peanuts and hire a team of 5 for the price of 1. Serbia is just going to delve deeper into stupidity and I profit.
Danilo - 1
Serbia - 0
I don't have to do anything, just let Serbs be Serbs. It's just a question of a cost-benefit analysis - does the stupidity cost me more that it benefits, and that's an open question for at least the last 18 months.
If SNS form the government the investors will come to Serbia sooner.The government formed from DS, SPS and LDP and with Tadić as a prime minister would not be stable.For the past four years Tadić has pushed Serbia into the economic crisis.The politician who lose the presidential elections doesn't become the prime minister enywhere in Europe.If I remember well we strive to be a part of EU doesen't we?
For those of you who don't believe what I'm writing, there probably is no way for me to change that. Nor do I really care. Please continue enjoying your world of conspiracies, you seem to have a blast.
Now as for the claims that investors would be indifferent to the politcal situation in the countries they do businesses in... That's just so stupid. And it was that statement of Mrs Tobacovich or whatever her name is that provoked me into writing my prevoious post in the first place.
Absolutely, it's all about making money, and believe me it's not for moral or ideolgical reasons that it matters to me as an investor who runs the country. But when I choose a country to invest in I do an assesments of both possibilities and the risks. And Nikolic and SNS just makes Serbia too unpredictable. And for the same reason North Korea, Iran, Belarus and Kosovo too for that matter are totally out of the equation.
Danilo, your comment was spot on.
And you know what, maybe I'm wrong to be concerned, maybe Nikolic and SNS are great and I am a total clown in that sense. But why should I care? Rather than having to worry about it at all I can just choose to open up the filial somewhere else, like Romania or Estonia. Problem solved.
K, it looks like you really want to get ripped a new one by me as if you didn't have enough the last time...fine here goes.
First of all stop saying clowns, that is my word. Stop stealing my swag find your own jeez.
What political instability has happened in Serbia? If you call this instability then you haven't seen nothing yet. So a new president being elected is unstable? I guess democracy is unstable for you then. I mean damn, North Korea is politically stable but that doesn't mean much now does it? Especially when our new president has pretty much the same damn platform as the DS what instability have you seen?
There is a bit of a difference between socialization and nationalization. You see socialization is a form of nationalization but nationalization doesn't necessarily mean it will end up in the governments hands.
It is not communist at all, just common sense. Less than a handful of criminal tycoons in Serbia completely control the domestic industry and therefore leaving them in control of much that goes on in the country. Confiscating those assets and breaking them down into smaller PRIVATELY OWNED businesses and handed off to Serbs from the diaspora (seeing as they have the know how, education and resources to handle such a task) would increase competition in a healthy PRIVATE market economy. This in turn gives the buyer a real choice of where to spend their money rather than the same 3 conglomerates.
Are we to gullibly assume that Mister Foreign Investor had a Company that employed People in Serbia, while Tadic was President?
I think that it could that this foreigner does not wish to admit that he is an Albanian, who may be even consider himself a foreigner if he is a Kosovo Albanian.
The foreign investment could be to tell some lies in the hope of stealing some Land, because he knows that Tadic is more likely to betray his own People.
“The Democrats also expressed hope the Serbian Progressive Party (SNS) would stop discouraging investors.”…how long Boris Tadic is going to blame others for his own mistakes???
This guy is a clown. Investing simply has to do with numbers and if the situation can turn a profit. Investors could care less who the president is they want to know the numbers. Besides the president holds no true power anyway it is simply symbolic.
You were gonna invest when Tadic was the president a meaningless position but wont invest when hes prime minister the highest position in the government? Again...wtf?
EU-fanaticism does not equal investments. The EU itself is falling apart day by day so clearly they themselves have not been able to lure enough investors in the periphery countries in the Eurozone and those are leaving as we speak.
Besides, Pristina would be the beacon of investment if that were the case. And despite corrupt Western governments' unwavering support for illegal organ trafficking institutions, the investors of those countries wont touch Kosovo * with a 10 foot poll.
2. Tomislav Nikolic is just say the things that former DS government should say 12 years ago so we would not have this problems …Tadic is recognized war crimes that Serbs are blamed for but we did not hear from any other sides recognition of people or government who done war crimes against Serbian people !!
I'm a foreign businessman, not a big shot, but I create jobs for people.
I had pretty much decided to open up an filial in Serbia, not a huge one but that would employ 10 - 30 people depending on the degree of success. I've watched Serbia stabilize over the years and improving it's ties with the EU, and I was more or less just waiting for the elections to further confirm that direction. Now that didn't happen.
To me SNS means bad news.If they would succeed to form a government that will be it for me. I'd just take my business elsewhere. If we'd end up with a DS led coalition, Nikolic is still president and SNS the largest party so I would still be reluctant.
Like it or not, these are the facts. SNS = no investment from me.
Like it or not, these are the facts. SNS = no investment from me.
(foreign investor, 7 June 2012 12:17)
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LOL! I think you are a foreign fabricator, not an investor. Generally people invest and create business based on profit potential, not political leadership.
Unless of course you are involved in corruption and the DS are prepared to scratch your back. The SNS have clearly stated they are going to crack down on corruption. Is that not good for your business?
What a lie said by Democrats!!! Democrats don't have capable staff to present Serbia in proper way and to pull foreign investors into Serbia. These statements said by this lady Trivan and all of the highest ranking DS officials are nothing more than excuse for their incompetence and they are trying to put a blame on Serbian people for not voting for them. Miserable and pathetic move by DS leaders...We all know that this company was involved in negotiation with Croatian factory way before they signed some memorandum with es government of Serbia. Maybe they would have invested in Serbia but lack of competence and right plans for this kind of project showed no results. Democrats have used those Italian "brands" just for their promotion as leaders in promoting Serbia to foreign companies during election campaign. But...Serbian people are no longer "fools" and they are much wiser than 4 years ago. The result is newly elected President. Serbian people doesn't want to be treated anymore as slaves and working class for democrats and their goal of getting rich.
This is the problem when your country is dependent on foreign investment. I'm not against foreign investment but it cant be Serbia's only method of creating jobs and growth. Serbia needs to focus on planting the seeds of an export based but Serbian owned economy. Although I am not in favor of a socialist style centrally planned economy, it is the government that has to be the ones that ultimately initiate such an economy.
Another simple way of doing it is simply confiscating the businesses owned by tycoons such as Miskovic and Beko, breaking up those conglomerates and handing them off to business graduates to young and bright Serbs in the diaspora which there are plenty of. Seeing as Serbs in the diaspora focus on graduating in top notch universities while our Albanian counterparts take part in low level crime.
But its a very simple idea. Breaking up these large conglomerates instantly creates competition because you have smaller companies instead of one or 2 controlling prices. And most of all you bring Serbs from the diaspora who bring the Western know how and tie it in with the fact that they would be less likely to extract that wealth outside of Serbia than foreigners obviously for emotional attachment.
These are the radical ideas Serbia needs. Serbia has potential, despite the BS that surround us..our potential scares our hostile neighbors straight to hell.
How incompetent are these DS fools? Blaming the SNS for loss of investment? I mean, lets just look at the past four years to see what damage the DS did to the Serbian economy. Now they want to blame the SNS?
Well, it is quite simple, if the DS is not capable of attracting investments and improving the Serbian economy then they should step aside and let the SNS show them how it is done. After all, Russia has the funds lined up already. They just want to see projects and initiatives, for which there are many in Serbia.
I think the DS + partners have been smoking to many of Cedo's cigarettes. Check -> http://www.b92.net/news/pics/2012/06/04/20561908864fcbe89201507295731254_v4%20big.jpg
This is what I call a media spin of the DS. The SNS and Nikolic have not discouraged new investors coming to Serbia - the Democrats with their desastrous policies have managed that by creating a economic climate that is not profitable.
One needs to spin the story in order to avoid any responsibility for the promises made ahead of the elections, and shift the hot potato to the opponents. If this is how this country will be ruled in the next four years, I don't see Serbia moving from this awful position forwards, but rather backwards.
How incompetent are these DS fools? Blaming the SNS for loss of investment? I mean, lets just look at the past four years to see what damage the DS did to the Serbian economy. Now they want to blame the SNS?
Well, it is quite simple, if the DS is not capable of attracting investments and improving the Serbian economy then they should step aside and let the SNS show them how it is done. After all, Russia has the funds lined up already. They just want to see projects and initiatives, for which there are many in Serbia.
I think the DS + partners have been smoking to many of Cedo's cigarettes. Check -> http://www.b92.net/news/pics/2012/06/04/20561908864fcbe89201507295731254_v4%20big.jpg
This is what I call a media spin of the DS. The SNS and Nikolic have not discouraged new investors coming to Serbia - the Democrats with their desastrous policies have managed that by creating a economic climate that is not profitable.
One needs to spin the story in order to avoid any responsibility for the promises made ahead of the elections, and shift the hot potato to the opponents. If this is how this country will be ruled in the next four years, I don't see Serbia moving from this awful position forwards, but rather backwards.
“The Democrats also expressed hope the Serbian Progressive Party (SNS) would stop discouraging investors.”…how long Boris Tadic is going to blame others for his own mistakes???
What a lie said by Democrats!!! Democrats don't have capable staff to present Serbia in proper way and to pull foreign investors into Serbia. These statements said by this lady Trivan and all of the highest ranking DS officials are nothing more than excuse for their incompetence and they are trying to put a blame on Serbian people for not voting for them. Miserable and pathetic move by DS leaders...We all know that this company was involved in negotiation with Croatian factory way before they signed some memorandum with es government of Serbia. Maybe they would have invested in Serbia but lack of competence and right plans for this kind of project showed no results. Democrats have used those Italian "brands" just for their promotion as leaders in promoting Serbia to foreign companies during election campaign. But...Serbian people are no longer "fools" and they are much wiser than 4 years ago. The result is newly elected President. Serbian people doesn't want to be treated anymore as slaves and working class for democrats and their goal of getting rich.
I'm a foreign businessman, not a big shot, but I create jobs for people.
I had pretty much decided to open up an filial in Serbia, not a huge one but that would employ 10 - 30 people depending on the degree of success. I've watched Serbia stabilize over the years and improving it's ties with the EU, and I was more or less just waiting for the elections to further confirm that direction. Now that didn't happen.
To me SNS means bad news.If they would succeed to form a government that will be it for me. I'd just take my business elsewhere. If we'd end up with a DS led coalition, Nikolic is still president and SNS the largest party so I would still be reluctant.
Like it or not, these are the facts. SNS = no investment from me.
2. Tomislav Nikolic is just say the things that former DS government should say 12 years ago so we would not have this problems …Tadic is recognized war crimes that Serbs are blamed for but we did not hear from any other sides recognition of people or government who done war crimes against Serbian people !!
Are we to gullibly assume that Mister Foreign Investor had a Company that employed People in Serbia, while Tadic was President?
I think that it could that this foreigner does not wish to admit that he is an Albanian, who may be even consider himself a foreigner if he is a Kosovo Albanian.
The foreign investment could be to tell some lies in the hope of stealing some Land, because he knows that Tadic is more likely to betray his own People.
The last time I owned you was when I educated you on the benefits of the Russian free trade agreement and why companies would invest in Serbia for the purpose of tapping into Russia's market because of the smaller operating costs than in Russia directly.
You are welcome for that.
Ok so let me get this right, Nikolic denying a genocide that never took place changes a companies profit margin? Tell me where does Srebrenica fit in a company's five year plan?
Are investors worried Bosniaks will launch a war with Serbia over the denial of the fabricated Srebrenica genocide?
Stealing? OH okay so now you are defending tycoons who made millions (and billions for some) off the suffering of others during war time. So Danilo is actually defending plutocratic tycoons who made money off other peoples troubles. That is not stealing? But taking that back and giving those assets to people who actually love Serbia is stealing?
THE reason why you are against a revolution in Serbia, against tycoons paying for what they did and against the diaspora having any involvement in Serbia is because
YOU PERSONALLY BENEFIT OFF THIS CORRUPT SYSTEM IN SERBIA
I have you figured out now, Ujko you aren't fooling anyone.
Spend three years here and you too will be dreaming of bombs falling.
(Danilo, 7 June 2012 21:25)
Wow, our dear genius Danilo even outdoes himself with this wonderful statement of humanity. Well Danilo, if bombs are falling again courtesy of your beloved NATO war criminals, I hope they fall on your business, and your 'palace'.
This is the problem when your country is dependent on foreign investment. I'm not against foreign investment but it cant be Serbia's only method of creating jobs and growth. Serbia needs to focus on planting the seeds of an export based but Serbian owned economy. Although I am not in favor of a socialist style centrally planned economy, it is the government that has to be the ones that ultimately initiate such an economy.
Another simple way of doing it is simply confiscating the businesses owned by tycoons such as Miskovic and Beko, breaking up those conglomerates and handing them off to business graduates to young and bright Serbs in the diaspora which there are plenty of. Seeing as Serbs in the diaspora focus on graduating in top notch universities while our Albanian counterparts take part in low level crime.
But its a very simple idea. Breaking up these large conglomerates instantly creates competition because you have smaller companies instead of one or 2 controlling prices. And most of all you bring Serbs from the diaspora who bring the Western know how and tie it in with the fact that they would be less likely to extract that wealth outside of Serbia than foreigners obviously for emotional attachment.
These are the radical ideas Serbia needs. Serbia has potential, despite the BS that surround us..our potential scares our hostile neighbors straight to hell.
Like it or not, these are the facts. SNS = no investment from me.
(foreign investor, 7 June 2012 12:17)
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LOL! I think you are a foreign fabricator, not an investor. Generally people invest and create business based on profit potential, not political leadership.
Unless of course you are involved in corruption and the DS are prepared to scratch your back. The SNS have clearly stated they are going to crack down on corruption. Is that not good for your business?
This guy is a clown. Investing simply has to do with numbers and if the situation can turn a profit. Investors could care less who the president is they want to know the numbers. Besides the president holds no true power anyway it is simply symbolic.
You were gonna invest when Tadic was the president a meaningless position but wont invest when hes prime minister the highest position in the government? Again...wtf?
EU-fanaticism does not equal investments. The EU itself is falling apart day by day so clearly they themselves have not been able to lure enough investors in the periphery countries in the Eurozone and those are leaving as we speak.
Besides, Pristina would be the beacon of investment if that were the case. And despite corrupt Western governments' unwavering support for illegal organ trafficking institutions, the investors of those countries wont touch Kosovo * with a 10 foot poll.
K, it looks like you really want to get ripped a new one by me as if you didn't have enough the last time...fine here goes.
First of all stop saying clowns, that is my word. Stop stealing my swag find your own jeez.
What political instability has happened in Serbia? If you call this instability then you haven't seen nothing yet. So a new president being elected is unstable? I guess democracy is unstable for you then. I mean damn, North Korea is politically stable but that doesn't mean much now does it? Especially when our new president has pretty much the same damn platform as the DS what instability have you seen?
There is a bit of a difference between socialization and nationalization. You see socialization is a form of nationalization but nationalization doesn't necessarily mean it will end up in the governments hands.
It is not communist at all, just common sense. Less than a handful of criminal tycoons in Serbia completely control the domestic industry and therefore leaving them in control of much that goes on in the country. Confiscating those assets and breaking them down into smaller PRIVATELY OWNED businesses and handed off to Serbs from the diaspora (seeing as they have the know how, education and resources to handle such a task) would increase competition in a healthy PRIVATE market economy. This in turn gives the buyer a real choice of where to spend their money rather than the same 3 conglomerates.
Why don't you go to Albania together with your business?
(aaayyy, 7 June 2012 22:28)
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Sounds like his "business" failed so he is attempting to blame it on the Serbs instead of his own incompetence.
As for foreign investor, making up stories to suit ones political objectives, is not an investor. Investors don't pull out of profitable business ventures due to a government change, especially one that has decided to crack down on corruption. Unless, of course, the said "business" profits from corruption.
Danilo, as much as I agree on many things you say I don't understand why you're so condecending tone against serbs and Serbia in general. It's bordering on racism.
Regardless of whatever negative positions I have when it comes to the clown Nikolic - sorry Ali, I know that one was spoken for, but I just couldn't help myself;) - the SNS and what not I still can say that, on a personal level I wish the serbian people all the best. Can you say the same? Because your posts certainly don't indicate that.
For those of you who don't believe what I'm writing, there probably is no way for me to change that. Nor do I really care. Please continue enjoying your world of conspiracies, you seem to have a blast.
Now as for the claims that investors would be indifferent to the politcal situation in the countries they do businesses in... That's just so stupid. And it was that statement of Mrs Tobacovich or whatever her name is that provoked me into writing my prevoious post in the first place.
Absolutely, it's all about making money, and believe me it's not for moral or ideolgical reasons that it matters to me as an investor who runs the country. But when I choose a country to invest in I do an assesments of both possibilities and the risks. And Nikolic and SNS just makes Serbia too unpredictable. And for the same reason North Korea, Iran, Belarus and Kosovo too for that matter are totally out of the equation.
Danilo, your comment was spot on.
And you know what, maybe I'm wrong to be concerned, maybe Nikolic and SNS are great and I am a total clown in that sense. But why should I care? Rather than having to worry about it at all I can just choose to open up the filial somewhere else, like Romania or Estonia. Problem solved.
problem is that Serbia doesn't sell anything much to Russia. I suppose if a company wanted to they COULD, but they could also just move to Russia and save the shipping costs.
"Tell me where does Srebrenica fit in a company's five year plan? "
making noises which affect political stability in the region affect stability in the region. (which affects stability). btw, the sky is also blue.
"So Danilo is actually defending plutocratic tycoons who made money off other peoples troubles"
no. I'm just saying theft is bad.
"YOU PERSONALLY BENEFIT OFF THIS CORRUPT SYSTEM IN SERBIA "
In way, you're right. I benefit from the collective stupidity of Serbs. They are stupid in a variety of ways. This causes wages and cost of living to be low. I get to live in a palace for peanuts and hire a team of 5 for the price of 1. Serbia is just going to delve deeper into stupidity and I profit.
Danilo - 1
Serbia - 0
I don't have to do anything, just let Serbs be Serbs. It's just a question of a cost-benefit analysis - does the stupidity cost me more that it benefits, and that's an open question for at least the last 18 months.
Anyway, this is all a pretty good illustration as to why foreign investors like "foreign investor" are right to stay away.
Even if the conditions are right, the locals will give you nothing but disrespect unless they want something from you at that moment. Prepare to be scammed by everyone. Expect it to take 10X as long as it should to find the right employees. Productivity is atrocious because simple things take so much longer in Serbia.
Mostly, there will be plenty of Serbs who will never forgive you for giving jobs to Serbs.
For Serbia to become an investment friendly environment...a few things need to happen..
1.There needs to be a separation between govt. officials/their spouses/girlfriends/boyfriends/friends owning businesses that serve their positions..(This goes for all parties)
2.Arrests need to be made and prosecuting seizure of property of the officials that break the rules...
3.Bribery in any form need to systematic be dealt with..
4.Organized crime needs to be dealt with(amazing how many people in their 20's driving 100,000 e car)
5.The govt. Needs to move on past the 90's ...STOP Bringing it up from a negative ..
6.Media and State need to be objective and Separate. (no more immediate relatives working as on air talent)
7.Allow people to be Proud of their heritage...be honest with the people (the days of Communism should be over)
Positive aspect of invest in Serbia:
1.Generally honest moral people..
2.Highly educated
3. Intelligent hard working
4.Trade agreement with Russia and US
Let's try and get the positive list longer then the negative...I would like to recoup my investment in your country and people..if you feel I'm being too hard ,forgive me...I believe we need to strive and be the best we can...
If SNS form the government the investors will come to Serbia sooner.The government formed from DS, SPS and LDP and with Tadić as a prime minister would not be stable.For the past four years Tadić has pushed Serbia into the economic crisis.The politician who lose the presidential elections doesn't become the prime minister enywhere in Europe.If I remember well we strive to be a part of EU doesen't we?
"on a personal level I wish the serbian people all the best. Can you say the same?"
No, Sir, I cannot.
After 3 years of enduring the most atrocious scams, the most petty thefts, the most basic betrayals. After years of enduring the most basic incompetence, the most abysmal rudeness. After witnessing Serbs behaving in the most stupid way, trying to get something from me and hurting themselves in the process, again and again, I can only say that I wish only bad things to happen to Serbia.
Thankfully, I don't have to wish too hard.
Spend three years here and you too will be dreaming of bombs falling.
We can see how good you have done your job Mister Tadic….the country is empty,no money,no investments,no hope with you so please go away and let others to take a GOOD care of this country !!!
I can believe that DS is still point to somebody other mistakes (by the way DS is run this country 12 years not SNS).They ruin this country, rob, sell, pull to the edge of abyss and still try to tell us that they are the one who should be on power. What is wrong with you people?!
I'm a foreign businessman, not a big shot, but I create jobs for people.
I had pretty much decided to open up an filial in Serbia, not a huge one but that would employ 10 - 30 people depending on the degree of success. I've watched Serbia stabilize over the years and improving it's ties with the EU, and I was more or less just waiting for the elections to further confirm that direction. Now that didn't happen.
To me SNS means bad news.If they would succeed to form a government that will be it for me. I'd just take my business elsewhere. If we'd end up with a DS led coalition, Nikolic is still president and SNS the largest party so I would still be reluctant.
Like it or not, these are the facts. SNS = no investment from me.
"on a personal level I wish the serbian people all the best. Can you say the same?"
No, Sir, I cannot.
After 3 years of enduring the most atrocious scams, the most petty thefts, the most basic betrayals. After years of enduring the most basic incompetence, the most abysmal rudeness. After witnessing Serbs behaving in the most stupid way, trying to get something from me and hurting themselves in the process, again and again, I can only say that I wish only bad things to happen to Serbia.
Thankfully, I don't have to wish too hard.
Spend three years here and you too will be dreaming of bombs falling.
How incompetent are these DS fools? Blaming the SNS for loss of investment? I mean, lets just look at the past four years to see what damage the DS did to the Serbian economy. Now they want to blame the SNS?
Well, it is quite simple, if the DS is not capable of attracting investments and improving the Serbian economy then they should step aside and let the SNS show them how it is done. After all, Russia has the funds lined up already. They just want to see projects and initiatives, for which there are many in Serbia.
I think the DS + partners have been smoking to many of Cedo's cigarettes. Check -> http://www.b92.net/news/pics/2012/06/04/20561908864fcbe89201507295731254_v4%20big.jpg
Like it or not, these are the facts. SNS = no investment from me.
(foreign investor, 7 June 2012 12:17)
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LOL! I think you are a foreign fabricator, not an investor. Generally people invest and create business based on profit potential, not political leadership.
Unless of course you are involved in corruption and the DS are prepared to scratch your back. The SNS have clearly stated they are going to crack down on corruption. Is that not good for your business?
The last time I owned you was when I educated you on the benefits of the Russian free trade agreement and why companies would invest in Serbia for the purpose of tapping into Russia's market because of the smaller operating costs than in Russia directly.
You are welcome for that.
Ok so let me get this right, Nikolic denying a genocide that never took place changes a companies profit margin? Tell me where does Srebrenica fit in a company's five year plan?
Are investors worried Bosniaks will launch a war with Serbia over the denial of the fabricated Srebrenica genocide?
Stealing? OH okay so now you are defending tycoons who made millions (and billions for some) off the suffering of others during war time. So Danilo is actually defending plutocratic tycoons who made money off other peoples troubles. That is not stealing? But taking that back and giving those assets to people who actually love Serbia is stealing?
THE reason why you are against a revolution in Serbia, against tycoons paying for what they did and against the diaspora having any involvement in Serbia is because
YOU PERSONALLY BENEFIT OFF THIS CORRUPT SYSTEM IN SERBIA
I have you figured out now, Ujko you aren't fooling anyone.
This is what I call a media spin of the DS. The SNS and Nikolic have not discouraged new investors coming to Serbia - the Democrats with their desastrous policies have managed that by creating a economic climate that is not profitable.
One needs to spin the story in order to avoid any responsibility for the promises made ahead of the elections, and shift the hot potato to the opponents. If this is how this country will be ruled in the next four years, I don't see Serbia moving from this awful position forwards, but rather backwards.
What a lie said by Democrats!!! Democrats don't have capable staff to present Serbia in proper way and to pull foreign investors into Serbia. These statements said by this lady Trivan and all of the highest ranking DS officials are nothing more than excuse for their incompetence and they are trying to put a blame on Serbian people for not voting for them. Miserable and pathetic move by DS leaders...We all know that this company was involved in negotiation with Croatian factory way before they signed some memorandum with es government of Serbia. Maybe they would have invested in Serbia but lack of competence and right plans for this kind of project showed no results. Democrats have used those Italian "brands" just for their promotion as leaders in promoting Serbia to foreign companies during election campaign. But...Serbian people are no longer "fools" and they are much wiser than 4 years ago. The result is newly elected President. Serbian people doesn't want to be treated anymore as slaves and working class for democrats and their goal of getting rich.
“The Democrats also expressed hope the Serbian Progressive Party (SNS) would stop discouraging investors.”…how long Boris Tadic is going to blame others for his own mistakes???
problem is that Serbia doesn't sell anything much to Russia. I suppose if a company wanted to they COULD, but they could also just move to Russia and save the shipping costs.
"Tell me where does Srebrenica fit in a company's five year plan? "
making noises which affect political stability in the region affect stability in the region. (which affects stability). btw, the sky is also blue.
"So Danilo is actually defending plutocratic tycoons who made money off other peoples troubles"
no. I'm just saying theft is bad.
"YOU PERSONALLY BENEFIT OFF THIS CORRUPT SYSTEM IN SERBIA "
In way, you're right. I benefit from the collective stupidity of Serbs. They are stupid in a variety of ways. This causes wages and cost of living to be low. I get to live in a palace for peanuts and hire a team of 5 for the price of 1. Serbia is just going to delve deeper into stupidity and I profit.
Danilo - 1
Serbia - 0
I don't have to do anything, just let Serbs be Serbs. It's just a question of a cost-benefit analysis - does the stupidity cost me more that it benefits, and that's an open question for at least the last 18 months.
Anyway, this is all a pretty good illustration as to why foreign investors like "foreign investor" are right to stay away.
Even if the conditions are right, the locals will give you nothing but disrespect unless they want something from you at that moment. Prepare to be scammed by everyone. Expect it to take 10X as long as it should to find the right employees. Productivity is atrocious because simple things take so much longer in Serbia.
Mostly, there will be plenty of Serbs who will never forgive you for giving jobs to Serbs.
This is the problem when your country is dependent on foreign investment. I'm not against foreign investment but it cant be Serbia's only method of creating jobs and growth. Serbia needs to focus on planting the seeds of an export based but Serbian owned economy. Although I am not in favor of a socialist style centrally planned economy, it is the government that has to be the ones that ultimately initiate such an economy.
Another simple way of doing it is simply confiscating the businesses owned by tycoons such as Miskovic and Beko, breaking up those conglomerates and handing them off to business graduates to young and bright Serbs in the diaspora which there are plenty of. Seeing as Serbs in the diaspora focus on graduating in top notch universities while our Albanian counterparts take part in low level crime.
But its a very simple idea. Breaking up these large conglomerates instantly creates competition because you have smaller companies instead of one or 2 controlling prices. And most of all you bring Serbs from the diaspora who bring the Western know how and tie it in with the fact that they would be less likely to extract that wealth outside of Serbia than foreigners obviously for emotional attachment.
These are the radical ideas Serbia needs. Serbia has potential, despite the BS that surround us..our potential scares our hostile neighbors straight to hell.
This guy is a clown. Investing simply has to do with numbers and if the situation can turn a profit. Investors could care less who the president is they want to know the numbers. Besides the president holds no true power anyway it is simply symbolic.
You were gonna invest when Tadic was the president a meaningless position but wont invest when hes prime minister the highest position in the government? Again...wtf?
EU-fanaticism does not equal investments. The EU itself is falling apart day by day so clearly they themselves have not been able to lure enough investors in the periphery countries in the Eurozone and those are leaving as we speak.
Besides, Pristina would be the beacon of investment if that were the case. And despite corrupt Western governments' unwavering support for illegal organ trafficking institutions, the investors of those countries wont touch Kosovo * with a 10 foot poll.
2. Tomislav Nikolic is just say the things that former DS government should say 12 years ago so we would not have this problems …Tadic is recognized war crimes that Serbs are blamed for but we did not hear from any other sides recognition of people or government who done war crimes against Serbian people !!
Are we to gullibly assume that Mister Foreign Investor had a Company that employed People in Serbia, while Tadic was President?
I think that it could that this foreigner does not wish to admit that he is an Albanian, who may be even consider himself a foreigner if he is a Kosovo Albanian.
The foreign investment could be to tell some lies in the hope of stealing some Land, because he knows that Tadic is more likely to betray his own People.
K, it looks like you really want to get ripped a new one by me as if you didn't have enough the last time...fine here goes.
First of all stop saying clowns, that is my word. Stop stealing my swag find your own jeez.
What political instability has happened in Serbia? If you call this instability then you haven't seen nothing yet. So a new president being elected is unstable? I guess democracy is unstable for you then. I mean damn, North Korea is politically stable but that doesn't mean much now does it? Especially when our new president has pretty much the same damn platform as the DS what instability have you seen?
There is a bit of a difference between socialization and nationalization. You see socialization is a form of nationalization but nationalization doesn't necessarily mean it will end up in the governments hands.
It is not communist at all, just common sense. Less than a handful of criminal tycoons in Serbia completely control the domestic industry and therefore leaving them in control of much that goes on in the country. Confiscating those assets and breaking them down into smaller PRIVATELY OWNED businesses and handed off to Serbs from the diaspora (seeing as they have the know how, education and resources to handle such a task) would increase competition in a healthy PRIVATE market economy. This in turn gives the buyer a real choice of where to spend their money rather than the same 3 conglomerates.
For those of you who don't believe what I'm writing, there probably is no way for me to change that. Nor do I really care. Please continue enjoying your world of conspiracies, you seem to have a blast.
Now as for the claims that investors would be indifferent to the politcal situation in the countries they do businesses in... That's just so stupid. And it was that statement of Mrs Tobacovich or whatever her name is that provoked me into writing my prevoious post in the first place.
Absolutely, it's all about making money, and believe me it's not for moral or ideolgical reasons that it matters to me as an investor who runs the country. But when I choose a country to invest in I do an assesments of both possibilities and the risks. And Nikolic and SNS just makes Serbia too unpredictable. And for the same reason North Korea, Iran, Belarus and Kosovo too for that matter are totally out of the equation.
Danilo, your comment was spot on.
And you know what, maybe I'm wrong to be concerned, maybe Nikolic and SNS are great and I am a total clown in that sense. But why should I care? Rather than having to worry about it at all I can just choose to open up the filial somewhere else, like Romania or Estonia. Problem solved.
If SNS form the government the investors will come to Serbia sooner.The government formed from DS, SPS and LDP and with Tadić as a prime minister would not be stable.For the past four years Tadić has pushed Serbia into the economic crisis.The politician who lose the presidential elections doesn't become the prime minister enywhere in Europe.If I remember well we strive to be a part of EU doesen't we?
Danilo, as much as I agree on many things you say I don't understand why you're so condecending tone against serbs and Serbia in general. It's bordering on racism.
Regardless of whatever negative positions I have when it comes to the clown Nikolic - sorry Ali, I know that one was spoken for, but I just couldn't help myself;) - the SNS and what not I still can say that, on a personal level I wish the serbian people all the best. Can you say the same? Because your posts certainly don't indicate that.
I can believe that DS is still point to somebody other mistakes (by the way DS is run this country 12 years not SNS).They ruin this country, rob, sell, pull to the edge of abyss and still try to tell us that they are the one who should be on power. What is wrong with you people?!
Why don't you go to Albania together with your business?
(aaayyy, 7 June 2012 22:28)
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Sounds like his "business" failed so he is attempting to blame it on the Serbs instead of his own incompetence.
As for foreign investor, making up stories to suit ones political objectives, is not an investor. Investors don't pull out of profitable business ventures due to a government change, especially one that has decided to crack down on corruption. Unless, of course, the said "business" profits from corruption.
For Serbia to become an investment friendly environment...a few things need to happen..
1.There needs to be a separation between govt. officials/their spouses/girlfriends/boyfriends/friends owning businesses that serve their positions..(This goes for all parties)
2.Arrests need to be made and prosecuting seizure of property of the officials that break the rules...
3.Bribery in any form need to systematic be dealt with..
4.Organized crime needs to be dealt with(amazing how many people in their 20's driving 100,000 e car)
5.The govt. Needs to move on past the 90's ...STOP Bringing it up from a negative ..
6.Media and State need to be objective and Separate. (no more immediate relatives working as on air talent)
7.Allow people to be Proud of their heritage...be honest with the people (the days of Communism should be over)
Positive aspect of invest in Serbia:
1.Generally honest moral people..
2.Highly educated
3. Intelligent hard working
4.Trade agreement with Russia and US
Let's try and get the positive list longer then the negative...I would like to recoup my investment in your country and people..if you feel I'm being too hard ,forgive me...I believe we need to strive and be the best we can...
Spend three years here and you too will be dreaming of bombs falling.
(Danilo, 7 June 2012 21:25)
Wow, our dear genius Danilo even outdoes himself with this wonderful statement of humanity. Well Danilo, if bombs are falling again courtesy of your beloved NATO war criminals, I hope they fall on your business, and your 'palace'.
We can see how good you have done your job Mister Tadic….the country is empty,no money,no investments,no hope with you so please go away and let others to take a GOOD care of this country !!!
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