Top officials of the Democratic Party (DS) met on Monday, a day after leader Boris Tadić suffered defeat in his bid to be reelected as Serbia's president.
It would be ridicules for the next PM to be Tadic. SNS is the strongest parlamentary party and the PM should be from SNS. Jorgovanka Tabakovic seems like a good choice.
For me, it's perfectly fine in a democracy when a coalition is formed between two (or more) parties who in sum have the majority of the voters behind them. Why must a single party that has most votes (but not a majority) be included in the government?
(Comm. Parrisson, 22 May 2012 13:45)
I just believe if the majority votes for an opposition party, as well as voting out the incumbent president then that clearly means the people do not want that party to govern anymore. Also what that allows are shady backdoor deals by politicians, most of which the citizens are left in the dark about. And plus when you have that you have every member in the coalition blaming each other for the problems during their term.
When you have 1-2 parties that make up a coalition the blame is much easier to go around and politicians are held responsible. And to the guy who said what kind of democracy would it be if the winning party got an extra 20-40 seats, that is actually how they do it in Greece, the birthplace of democracy.
LOL dude I don't live in Australia, maybe you have me confused with somebody else. "Whether you like it or not" oh yes I toss and turn in my sleep every night because of it.
The circus is in town whenever Danilo, Janez, Lenard and the rest choose to share their views about any given topic.
"in other words, they are after Dacic's job ...... and Dacic was until recently all but set to be some kingmaker and boasting about knowing who the next prime minister will be .... HE might just turn out to be the guy left high and dry in the end! Karma does come to mind ...... As the English would say, don't count your chickens before they hatch!
(lowe, 22 May 2012 12:13) "
What I meant in earlier post was that, bottomline, both Tadic and Dacic were former allies from the previous election and seems now to be apparently vying for the same post as rivals. Any bets for a Nikolic deal with DS that will leave Dacic squirming with embarrassment?
"Whoever comes first place in parliamentary elections should either get an automatic 50% (meaning they have to form a coalition with one other party) or at least an extra 20-40 seats for actually winning the election."
(Ari Gold, 22 May 2012 10:03)
"So yes technically they could form a gov't without the Progressives but to me that is not democracy. The same way the Radical Party was for years the most popular party in Serbia but never made government due to backdoor negotiations among other parties. "
(Ari Gold, 22 May 2012 10:03)
For me, it's perfectly fine in a democracy when a coalition is formed between two (or more) parties who in sum have the majority of the voters behind them. Why must a single party that has most votes (but not a majority) be included in the government?
in other words, they are after Dacic's job ...... and Dacic was until recently all but set to be some kingmaker and boasting about knowing who the next prime minister will be .... HE might just turn out to be the guy left high and dry in the end! Karma does come to mind ...... As the English would say, don't count your chickens before they hatch!
This isn't the westminister system like they have in Australia, Ari.
Whether you like it or not, the parties have to get together to form a 50% Nothing 'undemocratic' about that.
In the westminister system, you can have a party win 35% in every electoral district, yet end up with 100% of the seats. Is that more democratic?
each system has it's advantages and disadvantages.
oh wait, I forgot, Australia had some electoral reform a few years ago, didn't it? You guys you some sort of prioritized voting system, some sort of STV. It's a good system, actually. Not sure there would be a different result in Serbia if there was an STV system here. You'd probably just have a few more votes to smaller and regional parties.
Well I am not a supporter of Nikolic and his Progressive party but if Nikolic wins an election against Tadic AND his party gets the single most votes in parliament then obviously its the people's will not to see Tadic and the DS govern anymore.
So yes technically they could form a gov't without the Progressives but to me that is not democracy. The same way the Radical Party was for years the most popular party in Serbia but never made government due to backdoor negotiations among other parties.
Whoever comes first place in parliamentary elections should either get an automatic 50% (meaning they have to form a coalition with one other party) or at least an extra 20-40 seats for actually winning the election. This would leave the party who wins responsable for what happens during the term. Not like this past coalition we had of "democrats", socialists, capitalists, regionalists, separatists, ex-chetniks, Hungarians, Muslims and God knows what else just to muster a majority.
HAHAHAHA - the pathetic ds is trying to hang onto power. Just watch the socialists dump the ds and join the progressives to make Dacic prime minister. I bet Vuk will dump the ds and jump ship to become, at least, deputy foreign minister.
HAHAHAHA - the pathetic ds is trying to hang onto power. Just watch the socialists dump the ds and join the progressives to make Dacic prime minister. I bet Vuk will dump the ds and jump ship to become, at least, deputy foreign minister.
Well I am not a supporter of Nikolic and his Progressive party but if Nikolic wins an election against Tadic AND his party gets the single most votes in parliament then obviously its the people's will not to see Tadic and the DS govern anymore.
So yes technically they could form a gov't without the Progressives but to me that is not democracy. The same way the Radical Party was for years the most popular party in Serbia but never made government due to backdoor negotiations among other parties.
Whoever comes first place in parliamentary elections should either get an automatic 50% (meaning they have to form a coalition with one other party) or at least an extra 20-40 seats for actually winning the election. This would leave the party who wins responsable for what happens during the term. Not like this past coalition we had of "democrats", socialists, capitalists, regionalists, separatists, ex-chetniks, Hungarians, Muslims and God knows what else just to muster a majority.
in other words, they are after Dacic's job ...... and Dacic was until recently all but set to be some kingmaker and boasting about knowing who the next prime minister will be .... HE might just turn out to be the guy left high and dry in the end! Karma does come to mind ...... As the English would say, don't count your chickens before they hatch!
"So yes technically they could form a gov't without the Progressives but to me that is not democracy. The same way the Radical Party was for years the most popular party in Serbia but never made government due to backdoor negotiations among other parties. "
(Ari Gold, 22 May 2012 10:03)
For me, it's perfectly fine in a democracy when a coalition is formed between two (or more) parties who in sum have the majority of the voters behind them. Why must a single party that has most votes (but not a majority) be included in the government?
This isn't the westminister system like they have in Australia, Ari.
Whether you like it or not, the parties have to get together to form a 50% Nothing 'undemocratic' about that.
In the westminister system, you can have a party win 35% in every electoral district, yet end up with 100% of the seats. Is that more democratic?
each system has it's advantages and disadvantages.
oh wait, I forgot, Australia had some electoral reform a few years ago, didn't it? You guys you some sort of prioritized voting system, some sort of STV. It's a good system, actually. Not sure there would be a different result in Serbia if there was an STV system here. You'd probably just have a few more votes to smaller and regional parties.
"Whoever comes first place in parliamentary elections should either get an automatic 50% (meaning they have to form a coalition with one other party) or at least an extra 20-40 seats for actually winning the election."
(Ari Gold, 22 May 2012 10:03)
LOL dude I don't live in Australia, maybe you have me confused with somebody else. "Whether you like it or not" oh yes I toss and turn in my sleep every night because of it.
The circus is in town whenever Danilo, Janez, Lenard and the rest choose to share their views about any given topic.
"in other words, they are after Dacic's job ...... and Dacic was until recently all but set to be some kingmaker and boasting about knowing who the next prime minister will be .... HE might just turn out to be the guy left high and dry in the end! Karma does come to mind ...... As the English would say, don't count your chickens before they hatch!
(lowe, 22 May 2012 12:13) "
What I meant in earlier post was that, bottomline, both Tadic and Dacic were former allies from the previous election and seems now to be apparently vying for the same post as rivals. Any bets for a Nikolic deal with DS that will leave Dacic squirming with embarrassment?
For me, it's perfectly fine in a democracy when a coalition is formed between two (or more) parties who in sum have the majority of the voters behind them. Why must a single party that has most votes (but not a majority) be included in the government?
(Comm. Parrisson, 22 May 2012 13:45)
I just believe if the majority votes for an opposition party, as well as voting out the incumbent president then that clearly means the people do not want that party to govern anymore. Also what that allows are shady backdoor deals by politicians, most of which the citizens are left in the dark about. And plus when you have that you have every member in the coalition blaming each other for the problems during their term.
When you have 1-2 parties that make up a coalition the blame is much easier to go around and politicians are held responsible. And to the guy who said what kind of democracy would it be if the winning party got an extra 20-40 seats, that is actually how they do it in Greece, the birthplace of democracy.
It would be ridicules for the next PM to be Tadic. SNS is the strongest parlamentary party and the PM should be from SNS. Jorgovanka Tabakovic seems like a good choice.
Well I am not a supporter of Nikolic and his Progressive party but if Nikolic wins an election against Tadic AND his party gets the single most votes in parliament then obviously its the people's will not to see Tadic and the DS govern anymore.
So yes technically they could form a gov't without the Progressives but to me that is not democracy. The same way the Radical Party was for years the most popular party in Serbia but never made government due to backdoor negotiations among other parties.
Whoever comes first place in parliamentary elections should either get an automatic 50% (meaning they have to form a coalition with one other party) or at least an extra 20-40 seats for actually winning the election. This would leave the party who wins responsable for what happens during the term. Not like this past coalition we had of "democrats", socialists, capitalists, regionalists, separatists, ex-chetniks, Hungarians, Muslims and God knows what else just to muster a majority.
HAHAHAHA - the pathetic ds is trying to hang onto power. Just watch the socialists dump the ds and join the progressives to make Dacic prime minister. I bet Vuk will dump the ds and jump ship to become, at least, deputy foreign minister.
This isn't the westminister system like they have in Australia, Ari.
Whether you like it or not, the parties have to get together to form a 50% Nothing 'undemocratic' about that.
In the westminister system, you can have a party win 35% in every electoral district, yet end up with 100% of the seats. Is that more democratic?
each system has it's advantages and disadvantages.
oh wait, I forgot, Australia had some electoral reform a few years ago, didn't it? You guys you some sort of prioritized voting system, some sort of STV. It's a good system, actually. Not sure there would be a different result in Serbia if there was an STV system here. You'd probably just have a few more votes to smaller and regional parties.
in other words, they are after Dacic's job ...... and Dacic was until recently all but set to be some kingmaker and boasting about knowing who the next prime minister will be .... HE might just turn out to be the guy left high and dry in the end! Karma does come to mind ...... As the English would say, don't count your chickens before they hatch!
"So yes technically they could form a gov't without the Progressives but to me that is not democracy. The same way the Radical Party was for years the most popular party in Serbia but never made government due to backdoor negotiations among other parties. "
(Ari Gold, 22 May 2012 10:03)
For me, it's perfectly fine in a democracy when a coalition is formed between two (or more) parties who in sum have the majority of the voters behind them. Why must a single party that has most votes (but not a majority) be included in the government?
LOL dude I don't live in Australia, maybe you have me confused with somebody else. "Whether you like it or not" oh yes I toss and turn in my sleep every night because of it.
The circus is in town whenever Danilo, Janez, Lenard and the rest choose to share their views about any given topic.
"Whoever comes first place in parliamentary elections should either get an automatic 50% (meaning they have to form a coalition with one other party) or at least an extra 20-40 seats for actually winning the election."
(Ari Gold, 22 May 2012 10:03)
"in other words, they are after Dacic's job ...... and Dacic was until recently all but set to be some kingmaker and boasting about knowing who the next prime minister will be .... HE might just turn out to be the guy left high and dry in the end! Karma does come to mind ...... As the English would say, don't count your chickens before they hatch!
(lowe, 22 May 2012 12:13) "
What I meant in earlier post was that, bottomline, both Tadic and Dacic were former allies from the previous election and seems now to be apparently vying for the same post as rivals. Any bets for a Nikolic deal with DS that will leave Dacic squirming with embarrassment?
For me, it's perfectly fine in a democracy when a coalition is formed between two (or more) parties who in sum have the majority of the voters behind them. Why must a single party that has most votes (but not a majority) be included in the government?
(Comm. Parrisson, 22 May 2012 13:45)
I just believe if the majority votes for an opposition party, as well as voting out the incumbent president then that clearly means the people do not want that party to govern anymore. Also what that allows are shady backdoor deals by politicians, most of which the citizens are left in the dark about. And plus when you have that you have every member in the coalition blaming each other for the problems during their term.
When you have 1-2 parties that make up a coalition the blame is much easier to go around and politicians are held responsible. And to the guy who said what kind of democracy would it be if the winning party got an extra 20-40 seats, that is actually how they do it in Greece, the birthplace of democracy.
It would be ridicules for the next PM to be Tadic. SNS is the strongest parlamentary party and the PM should be from SNS. Jorgovanka Tabakovic seems like a good choice.
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