You amazing lack of knowledge on what is happening in Syria disqualfies you from commenting on it.
Why don't you for a start, take a look at Saudi auction for young men to go blow themselves up in Syria in assistance to the 'rebels'. Terrorists, that's what the rebels are, and terrorists they asked for help - Albanians and Saudis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuGhi-WlBEU
P.S Congratulations Serbia on successful elections and your new president. :)
It would be still nice to hear your comments to my previous comment, rote...
To your list:
1) Might be true. Might be. The communists also kept their system running in Russia with the hopes of a great future. Whyt counts is, what is happening now and Russia is not in the position to aid Serbia. Check the latest PISA survey results. Russia will lack a broad base of highly skilled people in the future.
2) It might be Russia's internal problem, but it can not serve as an example for good governance for Serbia.
3) The fact is: Serbian citizens can travel to the EU without a Visa, the EU and Serbia's neighbours which will be in the EU sooner or later, are by far its most important trading partners, by far the greatest shares of investment come from the EU. There are only about 5000 Serbs living in Russia, while almost half a million lives in Germany, 300 000 live in Austria and so on. So I guess you have a better cooperation there.
4) Do you think BANKS will look for friendly people or their greatest benefit? Besides, Greece is a by far bigger investor in Serbia than Russia. ;)
5) Russia's population growth rate is -0.47, the fertility rate in 2012 was 1.43.The fertility rate increased in the last years, but you need 2.1 to be sustainable.
6) Russia's unemployment rate is between 6-7% percent (if those numbers can be trusted), unemployment in the EU is at about 10%. So your 10-40% number is wrong. Besides, the employment rate is far below that of the EU. And be honest, refering to point three: Serbs do not want to go to Russia, they go to the West, because they earn four to five times more there.
Hopes for the future and expectations might be nice for motivation, but what counts is reality. Hopes and expectations are not enough to fill your stomach.
Pro SERBIAN my a**.Anyone else find it awkward that Van Rompoy congratulated nikolic 3 HOURS before the actual results were listed out?
We have a f***ing right wing neoliberal corrupt oppertunist as President who is only interested in himself.This guy is going to be the George Bush of the Balkans.
TS ::::: @Rote: Russia is plagued by the same problems as the weakest EU states: Weak law enforcement, weak tax base, weak banking systems, declining demographics and unemployment
1/ We expect to become № 5 economy in a couple of years.
2/ Weak law enforcement is our internal problem and has nothing to do with Serbia
3/ weak tax base also won't stop our cooperation as Serbia already enjoys special regime in visas , trading and investments.
4/ weak banking systems sounds strange enough coz our banks have problems where to invest their money while Serbia with it's friendly population may quite become second Montenegro where our investments are big enough.
5/ declining demographics is an old fairy tale so please read the fresh papers.
6/ unemployment we do have but mostly in the regions while in big cities we need labor and this is why millions of gastarbeters work here to send money to their countries. Anyway our unemployment is 10-40% of what they have in EU countries.
So my dear friend you will have to invent new reasons to explain why Russia is a bad partner for Serbia. If you fail to you will take the risk of a nervous breakdown.
(rote, 21 May 2012 10:16)
Facts... You are right, indeed.
1) True.
2) With all his failures Saak became a bit something like testbed for Russia and Kazakhstan.
Saak's anti-corruption efforts and experiments seem to be a success story - and there is much in RU and KZ under the surface regarding law enforcement improvement. I expect strong results in few years and very bad days for very bad guys.
3) The salaries in most of RU and KZ are much higher than in "new" EU members. A railway ticket agent with some expertise would earn $1000 / month (three years ago, now probably more). Russian railways had trouble to find people for such low salary in Moscow.
4) Looking at most South European banks... I would say "what the heck"...
5) Russia is one of the rare examples of negative demographics turned back to normal. But old fairy tales die hard.
6) Rural unemployment (and rural demographics) is still a tragedy but balanced 100% out with the big cities. The solution will be obviously drastic infrastructure improvement and it's under way. Not without controversies (see Sapsan for instance, not everyone is happy) but things are certainly much better.
There is quite some controversy in RU and many places all over exUSSR but it's not a dead-end backwards swamp what some love to have the phantasy about. And by the way, just curious, how much would Freud love to dig in these phantasies.
Russia should stop sending russian prostitutes enter Damascus, they are also in Prishtina it's just ugly man c'mom.. eww
Anyway keep talk, keep write, keep hate, keep act like a troll behind a computer..... And keep lie
(Bridge, 21 May 2012 00:01)
hey you smart..., as exKFOR I can assure that Albanian women in KiM are the ugliest (features of face were indescribable ugly, few teeth - probably drinking water from Ibar and other polluted rivers - , only buttocks and breasts were ok,but they lacked this sexiness), akin Arabs and Turks, I have seen all around the world - there are some beautiful as well, but they must have some other genes in their blood - read for a while Danish psychologist`s research results http://islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3927
TS ::::: @Rote: Russia is plagued by the same problems as the weakest EU states: Weak law enforcement, weak tax base, weak banking systems, declining demographics and unemployment
1/ We expect to become № 5 economy in a couple of years.
2/ Weak law enforcement is our internal problem and has nothing to do with Serbia
3/ weak tax base also won't stop our cooperation as Serbia already enjoys special regime in visas , trading and investments.
4/ weak banking systems sounds strange enough coz our banks have problems where to invest their money while Serbia with it's friendly population may quite become second Montenegro where our investments are big enough.
5/ declining demographics is an old fairy tale so please read the fresh papers.
6/ unemployment we do have but mostly in the regions while in big cities we need labor and this is why millions of gastarbeters work here to send money to their countries. Anyway our unemployment is 10-40% of what they have in EU countries.
So my dear friend you will have to invent new reasons to explain why Russia is a bad partner for Serbia. If you fail to you will take the risk of a nervous breakdown.
"For many years the Bulgarians exploited the role of our best friends in Europe. But now the place is vacant and Serbia is the best candidate.
(rote, 20 May 2012 23:59)"
Spoken like a true schoolyard bully... Should I said thank you?
Honorable of him to have left SNS leadership in order to be the president of all Serbian people. I'm sure that he will be a far better president then Tadic ever was.
Wrong Nikolic is not a western puppet. During the campaign he was "triangulating" A term used here in the US to describe a politician who tells people, namely western diplomats, what they want to hear so as to not be concerned if he wins. You will now find Serbia will enjoy greater respect from the world and prosperity will follow.
Kosovo will take care of itself now that you are no longer held hostage by the EU.
Hitory will mark this day as the confirmation of EU dismemberment keeping in mind events in Greece and Serbia today. And soon to follow Spain and Italy
Please don't get me wrong rote. I did not want to offend you or anything. I just thought you have a new argument for the 'Serbia should orient itself towards Russia' approach.
From an economic perspective: Russia's GDP is below that of Italy and just twice as big as that of the small Netherlands. 1.8 trillion compared to 17.6 trillion of the EU. There is already a sad example of a Russian exclave in the EU: Kaliningrad. Why should Russia be able (and willing) to help Serbia if it is not able to develop Kaliningrad? And why are the economic ties between Russia and Serbia so weak? Russia is not important at all as an investor in Serbia and the only relationship is based on oil exports to Serbia.
From a political perspective: Do you think Russia would risk its improving political and economic ties with the EU (e.g. 'Common Spaces') just because of some ancient feelings of 'brotherhood'? Do you really think Russia would risk conflicts with the EU, trade bans, whatever, because it thinks it has to defend a small country on the Balkans? I don't want to be mean, I just try to be realistic.
Apart from that; just because everybody talks about the crisis in the EU does not mean that Russia or other countries are performing better at all. Russia's economic growth is primarily based on oil exports. Not very sustainable in the long run. It is just more important for the world if the EU economy does not grow for one or two years (its economy is not even decreasing!) than the increasing inequality or decreasing life expectancy or whatever in Russia or other countries. So all the media reports might have misled you. The EU is far away from being bankrupt or out of power, just because some governments have too much debts. The government is just a small part of a western economy. Private savings, an enormous industrial base, a well developed infrastructure, a highly skilled workforce and so on exceeds some public debt by far.
So there are three things left Russia can offer: support through cheap oil below market prices, nuclear bombs (which do not play a role in the support of Serbia: Kosovo and the EU are a 'little' bit too close), and a permanent seat in the UN Security Council (which is sadly not effective enough to prevent the American warmongers from invading a country without a mandate).
So no, I don't see any exceptional role of Russia for Serbia which differs from the relations to any other state. I even think that this 'f**k the EU and all others, we have Russia' wooohooo approach is very contraproductive for the development of Serbia. People need to wake up and make the best out of it. This does not mean that good relations between Serbia and Russia are a bad thing at all, I just want to say that they shouldn't be overestimated.
Well I'm not a fan of Nikolic but apparently he is going to Moscow on May 25 to speak, at the invitation of Putin's party. Great news!! Let's hope Vlad and Konuzin keep him in line.
Cheers!!!
ahahah.. this is crazy what I'm reading.. Nikolic is a western puppet just as Tadic is.. NOTHING WILL CHANGE.. He would HAVE been allowed to win if he had a real indepdent policy..
@Rote: Bulgaria is still best friend of Russia in Balkans area, the problem is that Russia is no longer a friend of Bulgaria. All that on political level. On personal level – Bulgarian resorts are very popular among Russians, which give us a clue that everything is OK. However, imperial ambitions of Russia are not welcome on Balkans, even in friendly Bulgaria.
For good or bad, Russia has nothing to offer to Serbia. Your government is interested ONLY in sales of gas and oil and in fact, Putin is rather a salesman, than a president. All his speeches are targeted for internal use and I doubt if anybody take him seriously in Europe. Also, his style is controversial even in Russia (just compare inaugurations of Putin and Holande). Russian model is not appropriate for any country, except Russia, hope you understand that. Take a look at Ukraine or Belarus and you will get my idea even better.
@All others: Serbia have to be in EU, but unfortunately this will not happen in next 10 years, and regarding today’s election, it’s will be great achievement if that happen in next 15 years… Hope that’s not true, but the career of Nikolic stands many questions. WTF voters thought about today? Are they hoping that Yougoslavia can be restored? Or Kosova can be Serbian again?
@Rote: Russia is plagued by the same problems as the weakest EU states: Weak law enforcement, weak tax base, weak banking systems, declining demographics and unemployment. I have a hard time to see what kind of strength Russia has to offer Serbia. Rather, Russia should worry about their south-eastern neighbour.
Furthermore, I find it somewhat ironic that Tadic appeared to focus more on economy and less on Kosovo, while Nikolic did the opposite. Most likely, Nikolic is going to do a better job on the economy than Tadic would have, as he has systematically underperformed the past 4 years. Tadic, on the other hand, has had great success with hi tactics vis-a-vis Kosovo. Here, Nikolic is likely to fail miserably.
Interestingly, this may just be the opposite of what their voters hoped for...
Thank God for Nikolic's victory! Serbia has just flushed itself down the toilet. No need to worry, any longer, about Serbia contaminating the EU or NATO. Serbia's pyriah status has officially been achieved.
The free Syrian army will win. Bashar Al - Assad will get the same treatment that Gaddafi had. You're talking about " Syrian terrorists trained in Kosovo " while serbs joined Gaddafi in Libya and we have evidence but you and Gap teeth Vuk Jeremic and his mentor Slobodan looking Vitaly Churkin don't have evidence, so keep lie.
Ps
Russia should stop sending russian prostitutes enter Damascus, they are also in Prishtina it's just ugly man c'mom.. eww
Anyway keep talk, keep write, keep hate, keep act like a troll behind a computer..... And keep lie
This is best think could have happened for K-Albanians, Tadic was very clever and liket by the West. He played the role of giving concessions. For us it would be better to Kostunica or Seseljs wife to win.
I gave you a poor comment for the strange question. It’s 2 o’clock in Moscow and I am going to bed now. But if you think good then you will have your own list of what we can do for Serbia. For many years the Bulgarians exploited the role of our best friends in Europe. But now the place is vacant and Serbia is the best candidate. You will be surprised how soon Nikolic and Putin will make friends. Tadic was coming here once in 2-3 years while Toma is different. And we all know that he is not going to pay the price for the EU membership Tadic was close to agree. With Russia behind Serbia will revive soon whether you like it or not. Toight Russia has got two big victories one in Serbia and the other in Finland. Russians merely believed Toma can win coz it seemed too good to be true. I am absolutely happy !
Rote, you wrote: "what Russia can really do for you" and that Russia is Serbia's strongest ally. I would like to hear from you: What does Russia have to offer for Serbia? And why should Russia offer anything?
Today Serbia has obtained not only a new President but returned it’s dignity. It also got a chance what Russia can really do for you. Outside Serbia Russia is the only state to feel responsible for what has happened to you all those black years. Russian elites did not believe that it will happen. But tomorrow you will see how happy we are to get rid of the OTPOR guys who have been spoiling our life wherever they could. Be it Kirgizia or Georgia or Ukraine or Syria. To say nothing of the former Yugoslavia.
The good luck of Serbia is that it has turned towards it’s most powerful ally. EU is weak in many vital aspects – economically, politically , morally , militarily ect. And besides they hate you just like us. But since tomorrow they will stop behave as if Serbia is their backyard. NATO respects only strength and we have got enough of it. Also I believe you chances for fast EU membership has doubled today. Since now on the Turkish scenario is not for Serbia. Congratulations !
My condolence for the Albanians ! If you mean to survive you have to be very constructive over our KM lands. You have missed you chance to steal it. Everything is just beginning ! You may keep on training the Syrian terrorists but best if you take care of yourself. It means only peace with Serbia. So stop your senseless kelmending and start to think what to do in the new circumstances. Also I don’t care the poor comments you always give me. It only shows that I am on the right way.
Today Serbia has obtained not only a new President but returned it’s dignity. It also got a chance what Russia can really do for you. Outside Serbia Russia is the only state to feel responsible for what has happened to you all those black years. Russian elites did not believe that it will happen. But tomorrow you will see how happy we are to get rid of the OTPOR guys who have been spoiling our life wherever they could. Be it Kirgizia or Georgia or Ukraine or Syria. To say nothing of the former Yugoslavia.
The good luck of Serbia is that it has turned towards it’s most powerful ally. EU is weak in many vital aspects – economically, politically , morally , militarily ect. And besides they hate you just like us. But since tomorrow they will stop behave as if Serbia is their backyard. NATO respects only strength and we have got enough of it. Also I believe you chances for fast EU membership has doubled today. Since now on the Turkish scenario is not for Serbia. Congratulations !
My condolence for the Albanians ! If you mean to survive you have to be very constructive over our KM lands. You have missed you chance to steal it. Everything is just beginning ! You may keep on training the Syrian terrorists but best if you take care of yourself. It means only peace with Serbia. So stop your senseless kelmending and start to think what to do in the new circumstances. Also I don’t care the poor comments you always give me. It only shows that I am on the right way.
I gave you a poor comment for the strange question. It’s 2 o’clock in Moscow and I am going to bed now. But if you think good then you will have your own list of what we can do for Serbia. For many years the Bulgarians exploited the role of our best friends in Europe. But now the place is vacant and Serbia is the best candidate. You will be surprised how soon Nikolic and Putin will make friends. Tadic was coming here once in 2-3 years while Toma is different. And we all know that he is not going to pay the price for the EU membership Tadic was close to agree. With Russia behind Serbia will revive soon whether you like it or not. Toight Russia has got two big victories one in Serbia and the other in Finland. Russians merely believed Toma can win coz it seemed too good to be true. I am absolutely happy !
Well I'm not a fan of Nikolic but apparently he is going to Moscow on May 25 to speak, at the invitation of Putin's party. Great news!! Let's hope Vlad and Konuzin keep him in line.
Cheers!!!
Rote, you wrote: "what Russia can really do for you" and that Russia is Serbia's strongest ally. I would like to hear from you: What does Russia have to offer for Serbia? And why should Russia offer anything?
This is best think could have happened for K-Albanians, Tadic was very clever and liket by the West. He played the role of giving concessions. For us it would be better to Kostunica or Seseljs wife to win.
Thank God for Nikolic's victory! Serbia has just flushed itself down the toilet. No need to worry, any longer, about Serbia contaminating the EU or NATO. Serbia's pyriah status has officially been achieved.
The free Syrian army will win. Bashar Al - Assad will get the same treatment that Gaddafi had. You're talking about " Syrian terrorists trained in Kosovo " while serbs joined Gaddafi in Libya and we have evidence but you and Gap teeth Vuk Jeremic and his mentor Slobodan looking Vitaly Churkin don't have evidence, so keep lie.
Ps
Russia should stop sending russian prostitutes enter Damascus, they are also in Prishtina it's just ugly man c'mom.. eww
Anyway keep talk, keep write, keep hate, keep act like a troll behind a computer..... And keep lie
@Rote: Russia is plagued by the same problems as the weakest EU states: Weak law enforcement, weak tax base, weak banking systems, declining demographics and unemployment. I have a hard time to see what kind of strength Russia has to offer Serbia. Rather, Russia should worry about their south-eastern neighbour.
Furthermore, I find it somewhat ironic that Tadic appeared to focus more on economy and less on Kosovo, while Nikolic did the opposite. Most likely, Nikolic is going to do a better job on the economy than Tadic would have, as he has systematically underperformed the past 4 years. Tadic, on the other hand, has had great success with hi tactics vis-a-vis Kosovo. Here, Nikolic is likely to fail miserably.
Interestingly, this may just be the opposite of what their voters hoped for...
ahahah.. this is crazy what I'm reading.. Nikolic is a western puppet just as Tadic is.. NOTHING WILL CHANGE.. He would HAVE been allowed to win if he had a real indepdent policy..
Please don't get me wrong rote. I did not want to offend you or anything. I just thought you have a new argument for the 'Serbia should orient itself towards Russia' approach.
From an economic perspective: Russia's GDP is below that of Italy and just twice as big as that of the small Netherlands. 1.8 trillion compared to 17.6 trillion of the EU. There is already a sad example of a Russian exclave in the EU: Kaliningrad. Why should Russia be able (and willing) to help Serbia if it is not able to develop Kaliningrad? And why are the economic ties between Russia and Serbia so weak? Russia is not important at all as an investor in Serbia and the only relationship is based on oil exports to Serbia.
From a political perspective: Do you think Russia would risk its improving political and economic ties with the EU (e.g. 'Common Spaces') just because of some ancient feelings of 'brotherhood'? Do you really think Russia would risk conflicts with the EU, trade bans, whatever, because it thinks it has to defend a small country on the Balkans? I don't want to be mean, I just try to be realistic.
Apart from that; just because everybody talks about the crisis in the EU does not mean that Russia or other countries are performing better at all. Russia's economic growth is primarily based on oil exports. Not very sustainable in the long run. It is just more important for the world if the EU economy does not grow for one or two years (its economy is not even decreasing!) than the increasing inequality or decreasing life expectancy or whatever in Russia or other countries. So all the media reports might have misled you. The EU is far away from being bankrupt or out of power, just because some governments have too much debts. The government is just a small part of a western economy. Private savings, an enormous industrial base, a well developed infrastructure, a highly skilled workforce and so on exceeds some public debt by far.
So there are three things left Russia can offer: support through cheap oil below market prices, nuclear bombs (which do not play a role in the support of Serbia: Kosovo and the EU are a 'little' bit too close), and a permanent seat in the UN Security Council (which is sadly not effective enough to prevent the American warmongers from invading a country without a mandate).
So no, I don't see any exceptional role of Russia for Serbia which differs from the relations to any other state. I even think that this 'f**k the EU and all others, we have Russia' wooohooo approach is very contraproductive for the development of Serbia. People need to wake up and make the best out of it. This does not mean that good relations between Serbia and Russia are a bad thing at all, I just want to say that they shouldn't be overestimated.
TS ::::: @Rote: Russia is plagued by the same problems as the weakest EU states: Weak law enforcement, weak tax base, weak banking systems, declining demographics and unemployment
1/ We expect to become № 5 economy in a couple of years.
2/ Weak law enforcement is our internal problem and has nothing to do with Serbia
3/ weak tax base also won't stop our cooperation as Serbia already enjoys special regime in visas , trading and investments.
4/ weak banking systems sounds strange enough coz our banks have problems where to invest their money while Serbia with it's friendly population may quite become second Montenegro where our investments are big enough.
5/ declining demographics is an old fairy tale so please read the fresh papers.
6/ unemployment we do have but mostly in the regions while in big cities we need labor and this is why millions of gastarbeters work here to send money to their countries. Anyway our unemployment is 10-40% of what they have in EU countries.
So my dear friend you will have to invent new reasons to explain why Russia is a bad partner for Serbia. If you fail to you will take the risk of a nervous breakdown.
Wrong Nikolic is not a western puppet. During the campaign he was "triangulating" A term used here in the US to describe a politician who tells people, namely western diplomats, what they want to hear so as to not be concerned if he wins. You will now find Serbia will enjoy greater respect from the world and prosperity will follow.
Kosovo will take care of itself now that you are no longer held hostage by the EU.
Hitory will mark this day as the confirmation of EU dismemberment keeping in mind events in Greece and Serbia today. And soon to follow Spain and Italy
"For many years the Bulgarians exploited the role of our best friends in Europe. But now the place is vacant and Serbia is the best candidate.
(rote, 20 May 2012 23:59)"
Spoken like a true schoolyard bully... Should I said thank you?
Pro SERBIAN my a**.Anyone else find it awkward that Van Rompoy congratulated nikolic 3 HOURS before the actual results were listed out?
We have a f***ing right wing neoliberal corrupt oppertunist as President who is only interested in himself.This guy is going to be the George Bush of the Balkans.
@Rote: Bulgaria is still best friend of Russia in Balkans area, the problem is that Russia is no longer a friend of Bulgaria. All that on political level. On personal level – Bulgarian resorts are very popular among Russians, which give us a clue that everything is OK. However, imperial ambitions of Russia are not welcome on Balkans, even in friendly Bulgaria.
For good or bad, Russia has nothing to offer to Serbia. Your government is interested ONLY in sales of gas and oil and in fact, Putin is rather a salesman, than a president. All his speeches are targeted for internal use and I doubt if anybody take him seriously in Europe. Also, his style is controversial even in Russia (just compare inaugurations of Putin and Holande). Russian model is not appropriate for any country, except Russia, hope you understand that. Take a look at Ukraine or Belarus and you will get my idea even better.
@All others: Serbia have to be in EU, but unfortunately this will not happen in next 10 years, and regarding today’s election, it’s will be great achievement if that happen in next 15 years… Hope that’s not true, but the career of Nikolic stands many questions. WTF voters thought about today? Are they hoping that Yougoslavia can be restored? Or Kosova can be Serbian again?
Honorable of him to have left SNS leadership in order to be the president of all Serbian people. I'm sure that he will be a far better president then Tadic ever was.
TS ::::: @Rote: Russia is plagued by the same problems as the weakest EU states: Weak law enforcement, weak tax base, weak banking systems, declining demographics and unemployment
1/ We expect to become № 5 economy in a couple of years.
2/ Weak law enforcement is our internal problem and has nothing to do with Serbia
3/ weak tax base also won't stop our cooperation as Serbia already enjoys special regime in visas , trading and investments.
4/ weak banking systems sounds strange enough coz our banks have problems where to invest their money while Serbia with it's friendly population may quite become second Montenegro where our investments are big enough.
5/ declining demographics is an old fairy tale so please read the fresh papers.
6/ unemployment we do have but mostly in the regions while in big cities we need labor and this is why millions of gastarbeters work here to send money to their countries. Anyway our unemployment is 10-40% of what they have in EU countries.
So my dear friend you will have to invent new reasons to explain why Russia is a bad partner for Serbia. If you fail to you will take the risk of a nervous breakdown.
(rote, 21 May 2012 10:16)
Facts... You are right, indeed.
1) True.
2) With all his failures Saak became a bit something like testbed for Russia and Kazakhstan.
Saak's anti-corruption efforts and experiments seem to be a success story - and there is much in RU and KZ under the surface regarding law enforcement improvement. I expect strong results in few years and very bad days for very bad guys.
3) The salaries in most of RU and KZ are much higher than in "new" EU members. A railway ticket agent with some expertise would earn $1000 / month (three years ago, now probably more). Russian railways had trouble to find people for such low salary in Moscow.
4) Looking at most South European banks... I would say "what the heck"...
5) Russia is one of the rare examples of negative demographics turned back to normal. But old fairy tales die hard.
6) Rural unemployment (and rural demographics) is still a tragedy but balanced 100% out with the big cities. The solution will be obviously drastic infrastructure improvement and it's under way. Not without controversies (see Sapsan for instance, not everyone is happy) but things are certainly much better.
There is quite some controversy in RU and many places all over exUSSR but it's not a dead-end backwards swamp what some love to have the phantasy about. And by the way, just curious, how much would Freud love to dig in these phantasies.
It would be still nice to hear your comments to my previous comment, rote...
To your list:
1) Might be true. Might be. The communists also kept their system running in Russia with the hopes of a great future. Whyt counts is, what is happening now and Russia is not in the position to aid Serbia. Check the latest PISA survey results. Russia will lack a broad base of highly skilled people in the future.
2) It might be Russia's internal problem, but it can not serve as an example for good governance for Serbia.
3) The fact is: Serbian citizens can travel to the EU without a Visa, the EU and Serbia's neighbours which will be in the EU sooner or later, are by far its most important trading partners, by far the greatest shares of investment come from the EU. There are only about 5000 Serbs living in Russia, while almost half a million lives in Germany, 300 000 live in Austria and so on. So I guess you have a better cooperation there.
4) Do you think BANKS will look for friendly people or their greatest benefit? Besides, Greece is a by far bigger investor in Serbia than Russia. ;)
5) Russia's population growth rate is -0.47, the fertility rate in 2012 was 1.43.The fertility rate increased in the last years, but you need 2.1 to be sustainable.
6) Russia's unemployment rate is between 6-7% percent (if those numbers can be trusted), unemployment in the EU is at about 10%. So your 10-40% number is wrong. Besides, the employment rate is far below that of the EU. And be honest, refering to point three: Serbs do not want to go to Russia, they go to the West, because they earn four to five times more there.
Hopes for the future and expectations might be nice for motivation, but what counts is reality. Hopes and expectations are not enough to fill your stomach.
Russia should stop sending russian prostitutes enter Damascus, they are also in Prishtina it's just ugly man c'mom.. eww
Anyway keep talk, keep write, keep hate, keep act like a troll behind a computer..... And keep lie
(Bridge, 21 May 2012 00:01)
hey you smart..., as exKFOR I can assure that Albanian women in KiM are the ugliest (features of face were indescribable ugly, few teeth - probably drinking water from Ibar and other polluted rivers - , only buttocks and breasts were ok,but they lacked this sexiness), akin Arabs and Turks, I have seen all around the world - there are some beautiful as well, but they must have some other genes in their blood - read for a while Danish psychologist`s research results http://islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3927
You amazing lack of knowledge on what is happening in Syria disqualfies you from commenting on it.
Why don't you for a start, take a look at Saudi auction for young men to go blow themselves up in Syria in assistance to the 'rebels'. Terrorists, that's what the rebels are, and terrorists they asked for help - Albanians and Saudis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuGhi-WlBEU
P.S Congratulations Serbia on successful elections and your new president. :)
Thank God for Nikolic's victory! Serbia has just flushed itself down the toilet. No need to worry, any longer, about Serbia contaminating the EU or NATO. Serbia's pyriah status has officially been achieved.
Today Serbia has obtained not only a new President but returned it’s dignity. It also got a chance what Russia can really do for you. Outside Serbia Russia is the only state to feel responsible for what has happened to you all those black years. Russian elites did not believe that it will happen. But tomorrow you will see how happy we are to get rid of the OTPOR guys who have been spoiling our life wherever they could. Be it Kirgizia or Georgia or Ukraine or Syria. To say nothing of the former Yugoslavia.
The good luck of Serbia is that it has turned towards it’s most powerful ally. EU is weak in many vital aspects – economically, politically , morally , militarily ect. And besides they hate you just like us. But since tomorrow they will stop behave as if Serbia is their backyard. NATO respects only strength and we have got enough of it. Also I believe you chances for fast EU membership has doubled today. Since now on the Turkish scenario is not for Serbia. Congratulations !
My condolence for the Albanians ! If you mean to survive you have to be very constructive over our KM lands. You have missed you chance to steal it. Everything is just beginning ! You may keep on training the Syrian terrorists but best if you take care of yourself. It means only peace with Serbia. So stop your senseless kelmending and start to think what to do in the new circumstances. Also I don’t care the poor comments you always give me. It only shows that I am on the right way.
The free Syrian army will win. Bashar Al - Assad will get the same treatment that Gaddafi had. You're talking about " Syrian terrorists trained in Kosovo " while serbs joined Gaddafi in Libya and we have evidence but you and Gap teeth Vuk Jeremic and his mentor Slobodan looking Vitaly Churkin don't have evidence, so keep lie.
Ps
Russia should stop sending russian prostitutes enter Damascus, they are also in Prishtina it's just ugly man c'mom.. eww
Anyway keep talk, keep write, keep hate, keep act like a troll behind a computer..... And keep lie
Rote, you wrote: "what Russia can really do for you" and that Russia is Serbia's strongest ally. I would like to hear from you: What does Russia have to offer for Serbia? And why should Russia offer anything?
This is best think could have happened for K-Albanians, Tadic was very clever and liket by the West. He played the role of giving concessions. For us it would be better to Kostunica or Seseljs wife to win.
I gave you a poor comment for the strange question. It’s 2 o’clock in Moscow and I am going to bed now. But if you think good then you will have your own list of what we can do for Serbia. For many years the Bulgarians exploited the role of our best friends in Europe. But now the place is vacant and Serbia is the best candidate. You will be surprised how soon Nikolic and Putin will make friends. Tadic was coming here once in 2-3 years while Toma is different. And we all know that he is not going to pay the price for the EU membership Tadic was close to agree. With Russia behind Serbia will revive soon whether you like it or not. Toight Russia has got two big victories one in Serbia and the other in Finland. Russians merely believed Toma can win coz it seemed too good to be true. I am absolutely happy !
@Rote: Russia is plagued by the same problems as the weakest EU states: Weak law enforcement, weak tax base, weak banking systems, declining demographics and unemployment. I have a hard time to see what kind of strength Russia has to offer Serbia. Rather, Russia should worry about their south-eastern neighbour.
Furthermore, I find it somewhat ironic that Tadic appeared to focus more on economy and less on Kosovo, while Nikolic did the opposite. Most likely, Nikolic is going to do a better job on the economy than Tadic would have, as he has systematically underperformed the past 4 years. Tadic, on the other hand, has had great success with hi tactics vis-a-vis Kosovo. Here, Nikolic is likely to fail miserably.
Interestingly, this may just be the opposite of what their voters hoped for...
Well I'm not a fan of Nikolic but apparently he is going to Moscow on May 25 to speak, at the invitation of Putin's party. Great news!! Let's hope Vlad and Konuzin keep him in line.
Cheers!!!
ahahah.. this is crazy what I'm reading.. Nikolic is a western puppet just as Tadic is.. NOTHING WILL CHANGE.. He would HAVE been allowed to win if he had a real indepdent policy..
@Rote: Bulgaria is still best friend of Russia in Balkans area, the problem is that Russia is no longer a friend of Bulgaria. All that on political level. On personal level – Bulgarian resorts are very popular among Russians, which give us a clue that everything is OK. However, imperial ambitions of Russia are not welcome on Balkans, even in friendly Bulgaria.
For good or bad, Russia has nothing to offer to Serbia. Your government is interested ONLY in sales of gas and oil and in fact, Putin is rather a salesman, than a president. All his speeches are targeted for internal use and I doubt if anybody take him seriously in Europe. Also, his style is controversial even in Russia (just compare inaugurations of Putin and Holande). Russian model is not appropriate for any country, except Russia, hope you understand that. Take a look at Ukraine or Belarus and you will get my idea even better.
@All others: Serbia have to be in EU, but unfortunately this will not happen in next 10 years, and regarding today’s election, it’s will be great achievement if that happen in next 15 years… Hope that’s not true, but the career of Nikolic stands many questions. WTF voters thought about today? Are they hoping that Yougoslavia can be restored? Or Kosova can be Serbian again?
Wrong Nikolic is not a western puppet. During the campaign he was "triangulating" A term used here in the US to describe a politician who tells people, namely western diplomats, what they want to hear so as to not be concerned if he wins. You will now find Serbia will enjoy greater respect from the world and prosperity will follow.
Kosovo will take care of itself now that you are no longer held hostage by the EU.
Hitory will mark this day as the confirmation of EU dismemberment keeping in mind events in Greece and Serbia today. And soon to follow Spain and Italy
Please don't get me wrong rote. I did not want to offend you or anything. I just thought you have a new argument for the 'Serbia should orient itself towards Russia' approach.
From an economic perspective: Russia's GDP is below that of Italy and just twice as big as that of the small Netherlands. 1.8 trillion compared to 17.6 trillion of the EU. There is already a sad example of a Russian exclave in the EU: Kaliningrad. Why should Russia be able (and willing) to help Serbia if it is not able to develop Kaliningrad? And why are the economic ties between Russia and Serbia so weak? Russia is not important at all as an investor in Serbia and the only relationship is based on oil exports to Serbia.
From a political perspective: Do you think Russia would risk its improving political and economic ties with the EU (e.g. 'Common Spaces') just because of some ancient feelings of 'brotherhood'? Do you really think Russia would risk conflicts with the EU, trade bans, whatever, because it thinks it has to defend a small country on the Balkans? I don't want to be mean, I just try to be realistic.
Apart from that; just because everybody talks about the crisis in the EU does not mean that Russia or other countries are performing better at all. Russia's economic growth is primarily based on oil exports. Not very sustainable in the long run. It is just more important for the world if the EU economy does not grow for one or two years (its economy is not even decreasing!) than the increasing inequality or decreasing life expectancy or whatever in Russia or other countries. So all the media reports might have misled you. The EU is far away from being bankrupt or out of power, just because some governments have too much debts. The government is just a small part of a western economy. Private savings, an enormous industrial base, a well developed infrastructure, a highly skilled workforce and so on exceeds some public debt by far.
So there are three things left Russia can offer: support through cheap oil below market prices, nuclear bombs (which do not play a role in the support of Serbia: Kosovo and the EU are a 'little' bit too close), and a permanent seat in the UN Security Council (which is sadly not effective enough to prevent the American warmongers from invading a country without a mandate).
So no, I don't see any exceptional role of Russia for Serbia which differs from the relations to any other state. I even think that this 'f**k the EU and all others, we have Russia' wooohooo approach is very contraproductive for the development of Serbia. People need to wake up and make the best out of it. This does not mean that good relations between Serbia and Russia are a bad thing at all, I just want to say that they shouldn't be overestimated.
Honorable of him to have left SNS leadership in order to be the president of all Serbian people. I'm sure that he will be a far better president then Tadic ever was.
"For many years the Bulgarians exploited the role of our best friends in Europe. But now the place is vacant and Serbia is the best candidate.
(rote, 20 May 2012 23:59)"
Spoken like a true schoolyard bully... Should I said thank you?
TS ::::: @Rote: Russia is plagued by the same problems as the weakest EU states: Weak law enforcement, weak tax base, weak banking systems, declining demographics and unemployment
1/ We expect to become № 5 economy in a couple of years.
2/ Weak law enforcement is our internal problem and has nothing to do with Serbia
3/ weak tax base also won't stop our cooperation as Serbia already enjoys special regime in visas , trading and investments.
4/ weak banking systems sounds strange enough coz our banks have problems where to invest their money while Serbia with it's friendly population may quite become second Montenegro where our investments are big enough.
5/ declining demographics is an old fairy tale so please read the fresh papers.
6/ unemployment we do have but mostly in the regions while in big cities we need labor and this is why millions of gastarbeters work here to send money to their countries. Anyway our unemployment is 10-40% of what they have in EU countries.
So my dear friend you will have to invent new reasons to explain why Russia is a bad partner for Serbia. If you fail to you will take the risk of a nervous breakdown.
It would be still nice to hear your comments to my previous comment, rote...
To your list:
1) Might be true. Might be. The communists also kept their system running in Russia with the hopes of a great future. Whyt counts is, what is happening now and Russia is not in the position to aid Serbia. Check the latest PISA survey results. Russia will lack a broad base of highly skilled people in the future.
2) It might be Russia's internal problem, but it can not serve as an example for good governance for Serbia.
3) The fact is: Serbian citizens can travel to the EU without a Visa, the EU and Serbia's neighbours which will be in the EU sooner or later, are by far its most important trading partners, by far the greatest shares of investment come from the EU. There are only about 5000 Serbs living in Russia, while almost half a million lives in Germany, 300 000 live in Austria and so on. So I guess you have a better cooperation there.
4) Do you think BANKS will look for friendly people or their greatest benefit? Besides, Greece is a by far bigger investor in Serbia than Russia. ;)
5) Russia's population growth rate is -0.47, the fertility rate in 2012 was 1.43.The fertility rate increased in the last years, but you need 2.1 to be sustainable.
6) Russia's unemployment rate is between 6-7% percent (if those numbers can be trusted), unemployment in the EU is at about 10%. So your 10-40% number is wrong. Besides, the employment rate is far below that of the EU. And be honest, refering to point three: Serbs do not want to go to Russia, they go to the West, because they earn four to five times more there.
Hopes for the future and expectations might be nice for motivation, but what counts is reality. Hopes and expectations are not enough to fill your stomach.
Russia should stop sending russian prostitutes enter Damascus, they are also in Prishtina it's just ugly man c'mom.. eww
Anyway keep talk, keep write, keep hate, keep act like a troll behind a computer..... And keep lie
(Bridge, 21 May 2012 00:01)
hey you smart..., as exKFOR I can assure that Albanian women in KiM are the ugliest (features of face were indescribable ugly, few teeth - probably drinking water from Ibar and other polluted rivers - , only buttocks and breasts were ok,but they lacked this sexiness), akin Arabs and Turks, I have seen all around the world - there are some beautiful as well, but they must have some other genes in their blood - read for a while Danish psychologist`s research results http://islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3927
TS ::::: @Rote: Russia is plagued by the same problems as the weakest EU states: Weak law enforcement, weak tax base, weak banking systems, declining demographics and unemployment
1/ We expect to become № 5 economy in a couple of years.
2/ Weak law enforcement is our internal problem and has nothing to do with Serbia
3/ weak tax base also won't stop our cooperation as Serbia already enjoys special regime in visas , trading and investments.
4/ weak banking systems sounds strange enough coz our banks have problems where to invest their money while Serbia with it's friendly population may quite become second Montenegro where our investments are big enough.
5/ declining demographics is an old fairy tale so please read the fresh papers.
6/ unemployment we do have but mostly in the regions while in big cities we need labor and this is why millions of gastarbeters work here to send money to their countries. Anyway our unemployment is 10-40% of what they have in EU countries.
So my dear friend you will have to invent new reasons to explain why Russia is a bad partner for Serbia. If you fail to you will take the risk of a nervous breakdown.
(rote, 21 May 2012 10:16)
Facts... You are right, indeed.
1) True.
2) With all his failures Saak became a bit something like testbed for Russia and Kazakhstan.
Saak's anti-corruption efforts and experiments seem to be a success story - and there is much in RU and KZ under the surface regarding law enforcement improvement. I expect strong results in few years and very bad days for very bad guys.
3) The salaries in most of RU and KZ are much higher than in "new" EU members. A railway ticket agent with some expertise would earn $1000 / month (three years ago, now probably more). Russian railways had trouble to find people for such low salary in Moscow.
4) Looking at most South European banks... I would say "what the heck"...
5) Russia is one of the rare examples of negative demographics turned back to normal. But old fairy tales die hard.
6) Rural unemployment (and rural demographics) is still a tragedy but balanced 100% out with the big cities. The solution will be obviously drastic infrastructure improvement and it's under way. Not without controversies (see Sapsan for instance, not everyone is happy) but things are certainly much better.
There is quite some controversy in RU and many places all over exUSSR but it's not a dead-end backwards swamp what some love to have the phantasy about. And by the way, just curious, how much would Freud love to dig in these phantasies.
Pro SERBIAN my a**.Anyone else find it awkward that Van Rompoy congratulated nikolic 3 HOURS before the actual results were listed out?
We have a f***ing right wing neoliberal corrupt oppertunist as President who is only interested in himself.This guy is going to be the George Bush of the Balkans.
You amazing lack of knowledge on what is happening in Syria disqualfies you from commenting on it.
Why don't you for a start, take a look at Saudi auction for young men to go blow themselves up in Syria in assistance to the 'rebels'. Terrorists, that's what the rebels are, and terrorists they asked for help - Albanians and Saudis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuGhi-WlBEU
P.S Congratulations Serbia on successful elections and your new president. :)
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