Serbian Army (VS) Chief of the General Staff Lt. Gen. Ljubiša Diković says that the situation in Kosovo is sensitive and that it could become even more complex.
sj,
you have the gift of gab as we like to say. But your words have no substance.
Everyone knows that China's economy is built of cheap manufacturing but not manufacturing alone, they have to have a buyer for those goods. thats the part you do not understand.
The slowing of the economy was not the west it was Chinas growth rate slowing due to the recession in the west.
You really think that anyone is going to let Serbia put a choke hold on Kosovo in the middle of Europe? Maybe you have been in Malaysia or Vietnam too long, time to go back to Aus and see the family Dr.
To all internet warriors, douche bags and neanderthals get a life, do something usefull, save a kitten, have a wank... anything but talking about something that may or may not happen. Who honestly gives a rats ass about Kosovo, Serbia or Albania. Dont be so provincial, think globally.
PS Nicolle take a break, you dont have to be a b**** all the time
sadly b92 did not publish my comment sj. allow me to tell you (an alleged economist) industry doesn't mean factories, only the biggest of all dimwits would believe that it does (surprise surprise). not to worry, you can always console yourself with the mythical figure of 85% :-)
Why do you people constantly repeat the same rubbish over and over again about China manufacturing cheap goods……”. How do you think the US climbed to the top? What by thinking democratic thoughts???? It’s called mass production and the manufacture of cheap goods, that’s how. However if it will help you and others to get off this band wagon, yes China built its economy on cheap manufacturing of goods.
Have I noticed about a slowdown in western economies you ask? I was the one who kept on saying that the so called recession was not over and another was on the way that was worse but until it was published in the media I was howled down. The slowdown commenced in Europe due to the debt crises and it affects the US greatly because the EU is its biggest trading partner and it means that the US will go even further in Depression and the unemployment will increase even more.
If this had happened 15 years ago China would have felt the full force of these recessions, but, and please pay very close attention to what I say, today China has over 350 million MIDDLE CLASS and growing by each year. In 1995 China exported 80% of all it production to the US, today it only exports 15%. Because it has a cashed up middle class.
The Chinese understand what is going on and the only reason they are helping out is that they want an orderly transition from the west to the east. That’s all. China will not disappear if the west collapses. China and a few others are the only ones with the money.
Loans to Serbia are not freebies as you call it, because if you take into account how many mouths the west has to feed and prop up there is not enough gold on this planet to do it all. The aid given is to pay off the politicians in power such as Tadic and Dacic and not one Euro is seen by the people. If I am wrong then why is Serbia in hock to the tune of 35 percent of the GDP(some say its 45%)?
For the millionth time I have never said that Serbia is anything more than a small country in Europe with a small economy, but what I have said is that it has a tremendous potential.
“Your politicians would have to change their shorts if Europe were to hand Kosovo over to Serbia, the drain of resources to try to control it would collapse Serbia in a matter of minutes. “
No not really. Belgrade places military on all exits in Kosovo and leaves only one open – to Albania. Belgrade spends nothing more than it has been spending so far and within 6 months all Albanians are back to Albania. Do you actually think that Serbia will move any industry to Kosovo to help out the Albanians? If the west has done nothing then you know what Belgrade will do. The EU will in the long run force you back, but if you see that Kosovo can survive on its own I’d be glad to hear it.
“Do you really think that should EU be unable to finance operations in Kosovo that they would still be able to funnel it through Serbia???
Not sure what you mean by this? It’s not if the EU runs out of money. Go and ask Croatia or Slovenia – their budgets are well down because the EU is not able to keep propping them up. Why is the EU so keen on making these formers republics work with Belgrade?
I was not born In Serbia and I have never lived there and its economy was destroyed by the democratic huggers in Washington. Like I told all about this current recession, there are no ifs or buts. Money rules all and the west have run out and you can work out the rest.
On the issue of Kosovo, no the dinar will not become shredded paper because you assume that Belgrade is going to spend money there; yes it will, but on the Serbs not on your Albanians. Belgrade secures the borders and leaves one open door to Albania and when things become so bad its bye bye Albanians and back to mother country. Problem solved
sj,
Wasn't that the Milosevic plan?????? After 10 years of this policy and the resulting revolt is when it turned to violence and the west moved in.
You show 2 things, NATO was a necessary intervention, and Serbia has not changed at all and can never be trusted to control Kosovo again(which it never will).
It also shows that the US and NATO erred when they agreed not to have occupation troops in Serbia!
(sj, 19 May 2012 07:47)
Hopefully your bosses in the banking industry do not read your comments to find out exactly how little you actually know about global finance.
China has built their economy on the cheap manufacture of goods shipped to the west. If you have not noticed that has slowed due to the western economy. Most of the Chinese goods are luxury items (not as in expensive, but as in optional and not mandatory). China understands that if the west collapses they have no market and the ride is over.
Most of the "loans" that Serbia is getting are in reality freebies as Serbia does not have the means nor probability of ever repaying them. But it matters not if you call it a loan or assistance, should the west collapse and that money is gone, it is gone.
I am not saying that any country in the west is not struggling, but I am not the one who thinks that all the walls around are going to crumble and Serbia is going to emerge as the beacon of Europe either.
Your politicians would have to change their shorts if Europe were to hand Kosovo over to Serbia, the drain of resources to try to control it would collapse Serbia in a matter of minutes.
Do you really think that should EU be unable to finance operations in Kosovo that they would still be able to funnel it through Serbia???
As you have noted you are not in Serbia, why?, because you know you have no economic future there, pure and simple.
As far as your "ifs", there are a lot of ifs out there that could change the face of the world.
...and then you woke up and realized you're still in Australia : )
(Nikolle, 19 May 2012 13:09)
Actaully I m in Ho Chi Min City, Vietnam at teh momnet. Ask yourself, where are you going to find work when the industry is being opened up in Serbia proper?
How many factories have your allies the US Germany or France or UK have opened up shop in Kosovo??????? NOT ONE; care to hear that again NOT ONE.
Now tell us all how Kosovo is going to survive? Waiting with anticipation. As I said one door out.
"At this rate, I'm almost hoping Albanian nationalism forces them to do something again. Who knows what additional concessions we can get? Podujevo seems pretty nice :)"
(Balkan Anthropologist, 18 May 2012 18:05)
yes, it's somehow ironic that especially these extremists/nationalists who claim to care for their 'country' or 'nation' cause exactly the opposite with their actions. This goes for both sides, of course.
really? you are really the fanatic.. Dikovic never got defeated. He had you and you momma runnin for the hills..
(Momcilo, 18 May 2012 18:32)
Don't argue with a washed up general who failed at trying to run for president Momcilo. It's a pity he has to troll on B92 to get attention these days. He couldn't even get a spot on Dancing with the Stars.
(Comm. Parrisson, 18 May 2012 14:49)
Point taken. I when I said Germany I did not mean the government but German private companies that invest in Serbia. Companies will deal with the Satan if it is going to make them money; it is a simple as that and no amount of high moral grounds or ethics comes into play here, but it’s the amount of money they can make. This covers all companies that have shareholders to satisfy.
Why have the Germans started to invest in Serbia ? You are going to have to ask them but it’s a fact that many are making the move, but if you feel its such a bad move please protest at your local German embassy.
(pss, 18 May 2012 19:11)
Serbia is borrowing money and then spending it, but the EU is giving over two hundred million Euors per year in “assistance”. For most people it’s a lot of money, but in reality it’s not so. This is best described as bribe money or money to pay off all the Presidents, Ministers, police chiefs etc or people like Tadic, Dacic etc. Not once cent reaches the otdinary people; its the borrowings that reaches the people and in the end it is they who will have to repay it.
Perhaps you can enlighten us here on which EU members are not “dog paddling with their heads above water” with the exception of Germany, of course?????? The west is being held up by Chinese loans and you talk about without western support Serbia will be this or that….!!!! Do you people have a TV or radio? Its the commies that are keeping your blessed west afloat and if they get pissed off its bye bye west.
On the issue of Kosovo, no the dinar will not become shredded paper because you assume that Belgrade is going to spend money there; yes it will, but on the Serbs not on your Albanians. Belgrade secures the borders and leaves one open door to Albania and when things become so bad its bye bye Albanians and back to mother country. Problem solved.
(Wesley Clark, 18 May 2012 20:23)
You have aptly named yourself after a western wanker. Gee you talk some s…
"Ah that Kumanovo agreement its another painful reminder you are not allowed to send Army 5KM near Kosovo it must hurt, and it will be there for long long long time."
Gjakovari
It also means that albanians in Kosovo are not allowed to provoke serbs in Serbia proper but it hasn't stopped you. If you don't respect the kumanovo agreement then neither should Serbia. Besides, threatening with the albanian army isn't scaring anyone. What are they going to do? Take their donkeys and their pichforks and attack Serbia?
(MikeC, 18 May 2012 21:43)
Bring proof this is not Serbs shooting? I mean how do you know it was Albanian could it a Serb? So until you have proof its just finger pointing.
Kumanovo agreement is not being broken by Kosovo ( Arresting police and then releasing them it is) but again !! Serbia has Lost war in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo ( Granted with big big help of NATO) but with Albania being in NATO they are modernizing their army much more than you think and its much stronger than Croatia in 1990s so it means it can beat Serbia.
Mike have you ever been to Albania?
And if you and other Serbs give Abanian Mafia so much credit dont you think they can bring enough Arms and bombs smuggle them to Serbia and cause havoc?
No one is interested to attack Serbia it Ivica doing his pre election bidding to help Tadic ?
Cui Bono = "To whose benefit?" Serbia trying to portray attack if in Presevo they blocked the roads like in North you wont be as generous? Just think if a Police officer gets shot in Serbia by Albanian who easy could have fought in ksoovo!!!
Nikolle, Albanians are their own worst enemies, as they cannot live with anyone but their own.
--It's as if the Serbs have no memory. It's as if the whole nation had a lobotomy. Dude, the Montenegrins didn't want to live under the same roof with you, the Serbs. There is nothing in this world thats closer to the Serbs than Montenegrins; and even them didnt want to live with you. Talk about not being able to live without anyone else.
"Ah that Kumanovo agreement its another painful reminder you are not allowed to send Army 5KM near Kosovo it must hurt, and it will be there for long long long time."
Gjakovari
It also means that albanians in Kosovo are not allowed to provoke serbs in Serbia proper but it hasn't stopped you. If you don't respect the kumanovo agreement then neither should Serbia. Besides, threatening with the albanian army isn't scaring anyone. What are they going to do? Take their donkeys and their pichforks and attack Serbia?
@Wesley Clark
really? you are really the fanatic.. Dikovic never got defeated. He had you and you momma runnin for the hills..and you call came out after several countries decided to intervene. Dont be so sure it will be that way this time around. This is really building..oh and you hoping that terrorist fire hits the police next time..tells me you must really be trying to fuel the fire. Im not sure everyone feels like you. albos have zero power in our province of Kosovo and Metohija. It would come down crashing in a matter of weeks..
(Momcilo, 18 May 2012 18:32)
Of course Dikovic and Serbia were defeated. What do you call Serbia not having any control over Kosova, but crying at the same time to get it back? It means THEY DO NOT HAVE IT, BUT WOULD LIKE IT BACK. If they had won, they wouldn't be crying and begging for it back and mentioning 1244 and everything under the sun. Just today MUP was shot at from over the "border" in Kosova and they did nothing about it. You and every Serb have an odd definition of victory. Its sort of like chess, does it matter how one check mates the king? Whether its with all the pieces or one piece. The goal of the game is to win....that's precisely what the KLA and each and every Kosovar did! The KLA outfoxed and outsmarted Serbia. Serbian cockiness led to their demise. Serbia thought they can win with brute force, KLA knew they could win by building world support for their cause. KLA's plan worked and Serbia's didn't. Their goal was to eject Serbia from Kosova and they succeeded. Kosovars are in luck if you want to hire more people like Dikovic who "win" wars. If Dikovic is considered a winner I would hate to see your losers. Oh, your barricades were also shut down. Serb resistance is fading fast! LOL
Here is something I learnt a long, long time ago – wishes don’t wash dishes.
The reality is that the west has “hung you guys out to dry”. Sooner than later the Serbian authorities will take over simply because the EU cash has run out.
(sj, 18 May 2012 12:25
Seriously dude, you have the nerve to post this statement? Where do you see Serbia when the EU cash runs out? Realistically. Check the facts Serbia is dog peddling with its head barely above water with all the western support it can get. Take that away and it will become a wasteland. Look at your Russian and Chinese investments and try to find one that benefits Serbia more than themselves.
15 minutes after Serbia took control of Kosovo the Dinar would become a cheap alternative to shredded paper for packing boxes.
@Wesley Clark
really? you are really the fanatic.. Dikovic never got defeated. He had you and you momma runnin for the hills..and you call came out after several countries decided to intervene. Dont be so sure it will be that way this time around. This is really building..oh and you hoping that terrorist fire hits the police next time..tells me you must really be trying to fuel the fire. Im not sure everyone feels like you. albos have zero power in our province of Kosovo and Metohija. It would come down crashing in a matter of weeks..
The "security threats" come as low-level annoyances instead of high-risk instabilities. Albanian extremists are indeed interested in causing just enough trouble to get Serbia and Macedonia to respond so a new conflict can arise. Shots fired across the "border", aggressive but empty rhetoric from Pristina, and politically motivated arrests are all part of the plan. But none of these will ever manifest in any widescale "invasion" or uprising like March 2004. Albanians have far too much to lose since the last time they tried that, they were saddled with the Ahtisaari Plan. They tried something again last July and now KFOR is basically working directly with those "illegal parallel" institutions up north. At this rate, I'm almost hoping Albanian nationalism forces them to do something again. Who knows what additional concessions we can get? Podujevo seems pretty nice :)
"The biggest security challenge for Serbia is Kosovo’s unilaterally declared independence."
No, the problem is not the independence, but the fact that Kosovo is a mafia stat where politicians are interwoven with drug gangs, without a proper police/justice and thus became a safe haven for all kind of criminals.
Winston, I shall agree with you for a moment. we are horrid, uneducated, ignorant simpletons who have yet to discover fire and we still believe the sun revolves around the earth. so why do you want 2 million of them to be part of you? kosova doesn't come without those horrible, malnourished low on etiquette Albanians. - Nikolle
Serbia's fight is for its land, not for Albanians. No one needs, or deserves, that kind of headache.I think you get that confused. Albanians can govern themselves on Serbian territory - comprendere?
(Winston, 18 May 2012 15:03)
Winston you think this is headache with K-Albanins just think if you had Kosovo no more nice guy there will be blood in Beograd, Nis, Novi Sad.
Are you ready for that, what cant you understand No K-Albanins does ever want to be ruled by Serbs, the ones in Presevo they are small number so they have to adjust just like Serbs in North K.
Mike,
bring on Serbian Army but they will fight Albania as well and this time people are armed and ready not like last time moved like in slaughter house.
Ah that Kumanovo agreement its another painful reminder you are not allowed to send Army 5KM near Kosovo it must hurt, and it will be there for long long long time.
“The biggest security challenge for Serbia is Kosovo’s unilaterally declared independence. Rest assured that we will adequately react to every attempt to spread the crisis from the province to the territory of central Serbia in accordance with decisions and authority,” Diković was quoted as saying. "
Serbia has been trying so hard to make the K-declaration of independence the source of any conflict in the region and in the world, so what this man is saying is conflicting what his superiors are doing.
Dikovic is just upset he got smacked around in 1999 and is desperately trying to redeem himself. This is the bully who just comes back for more punishment. Well, we would be more than happy to give you a second serving.
Winston, I shall agree with you for a moment. we are horrid, uneducated, ignorant simpletons who have yet to discover fire and we still believe the sun revolves around the earth. so why do you want 2 million of them to be part of you? kosova doesn't come without those horrible, malnourished low on etiquette Albanians. - Nikolle
Serbia's fight is for its land, not for Albanians. No one needs, or deserves, that kind of headache.I think you get that confused. Albanians can govern themselves on Serbian territory - comprendere?
Winston
really interesting. so you want Albanians to be wild carrying Serb passports and of course as Serb citizens. these troglodytes, who still believe Poseidon is ruler of the seas and of course have alchemy lessons in state schools (that's how primitive we are), would also constitute a very LARGE number of Serbia's electorate and as such any potential gov. will most likely have to make a deal with them. imagine the good PR that'll give you :) as for fighting for you land...bah
sj B92 did not publish my comment to your challenge
"Even the Germans are moving industry into Serbia proper, and Germany has recognized an independent Kosvoa, but how many industries have they opened up in Pristina?"
(sj, 18 May 2012 14:08)
Still living in communist times, eh? Maybe it's like that for Russia and China, but it's not 'Germany' that invest in Serbia, but German (private) companies. Companies have other criteria for investing, they want a safe place for investment which pays off after some years. A pseudo-state with a doubtful status, lack of infrastructure which is ruled by unpredictable mafia clans/politicians who care more for their own pockets and cause trouble and tension when they think they benefit from it politically is not a good place to invest.
i've heard this since 2000...still waiting :)
(Nikolle, 18 May 2012 12:54)
It was not hard to predict what will happen to Kosovo even in 2000. Money runs this world; all else is nonsense, but you give the impression that you have inside knowledge, please lay out for all to see how Kosovo will survive on its own. Kosovo has become a hell hole that all your Albanians would leave if they had a single chance so enlighten us all with your wisdom. As I said before wishes don’t wash dishes.
Even the Germans are moving industry into Serbia proper, and Germany has recognized an independent Kosvoa, but how many industries have they opened up in Pristina? When you honestly answer this question all the rest falls into place.
You Serbs keep to amaze me. On the one hand you say that Kosovo is Europe's greatest drug hub and on the other hand you worry about the financial problems Kosovo might face if EU-funding declines. How could Kosovo have money problems when there is so much drug trafficking according to you? You are contradicting yourself and this isn't your first time.
And please don't worry about Kosovo's finance, Kosovo can count on the support of the great Albanian diaspora in USA and Europe. Financially, Politically, and if necessary physically. Just like in the past. The same goes for Albanians living in Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia.
"t might take 2 or 3 years, but the future looks bright for Serbia and us who don't like the EU :-) We will get Kosovo back, we are patient, and you are running out of both support and funding."
sure, i'm certain those serbs who fell prey to the Ottomans in the 14th century thought the same as you :). as for kosova losing support, yes, true, Germany has just withdrawn recognition (duh).
Winston, I shall agree with you for a moment. we are horrid, uneducated, ignorant simpletons who have yet to discover fire and we still believe the sun revolves around the earth. so why do you want 2 million of them to be part of you? kosova doesn't come without those horrible, malnourished low on etiquette Albanians.
It's truly amazing that after 11 years the most powerful countries in the world have not managed to make anything out of Kosovo. Albanians are still creating all kinds of problems lately, first in Macedonia and now Serbia. Enough is enough! If the west can't handle the problem, leave and let the serbian army deal with albanian terrorists.
i've heard this since 2000...still waiting :)
(Nikolle, 18 May 2012 12:54)
And so am I. I am really hoping that Greece shows Germany and France this summer that they can take their austerity demands and credit clams and shove them were the sun don't shine. Greece should cancel all payments to EU immedeately and start to rebuild their economy without Germanys demands.
Hopefulley Spain and Italy (and Ireland) will follow, then EU in its modern form will not be there. Hopefully Germany will have to much trouble in their own country with almost no exports to continue to meddle in Serbias provinces affairs. They will most surely don't continue to finance them at all.
It might take 2 or 3 years, but the future looks bright for Serbia and us who don't like the EU :-) We will get Kosovo back, we are patient, and you are running out of both support and funding.
Winston:
"Europe especially, has had enough of your violence, criminality, and backward primitivism"
Coming from someone whose own country caused 4 devestating wars and was responsible for the greatest atrocities after WWII. How could Albanians be more violent, criminal and primitive than the Serbs who killed more than hundred thousands of people in former Yugoslavia? There are more than 50 Serbian officials sentenced in the Hague for muder, rape, expulsion, torture of the non-Serbs in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo in the '90. How could Albanians possibly be more violent than the Serbs? Is there an Albanian equivalent of Srebrenica, Racak, Qyshk, Vukovar, Sarajevo that justifies your assumption? Is there an Albanian equivalent of war criminals like Milosevic, Karadzic, Mladic, Hozic, Arkan etc.? Hava there been massgraves uncovered of murderd Serbs or were they always Bosnians and Albanians like in 2010 in Raska where a massgrave was uncovered with the bodies of 250 Albanians? How about the 1700 Albanians still missing?
As for Europe, I live in the Western Europe and the Europeans are far more sympathetic to Bosnians, Croatians and Albanians than to the Serbs. The only people who support you are right wing scum who applauded when Anders Breivik murderd 77 innocent people.
Nikolle, Albanians are their own worst enemies, as they cannot live with anyone but their own. What is it with Albanci, wherever they are, they cause havoc? Europe especially, has had enough of your violence, criminality, and backward primitivism. And please, Nikolle, your Srebrenica comments are getting quite old - let the Hague decide what happened. I would recommend you work on cleaning up the black hole you call Kosova.
...and vice versa. statements like this bring to fore Kosova's desperate need for a professional army, to meet its sworn enemy head on
(Nikolle, 18 May 2012 11:37)
Now who is going to pay for this Kosova professional army? Kosova does not have the money; then who? The EU??????????????
Here is something I learnt a long, long time ago – wishes don’t wash dishes.
The reality is that the west has “hung you guys out to dry”. Sooner than later the Serbian authorities will take over simply because the EU cash has run out.
The drugs, prostitutes and extracted organs that come from Kosovo* is the biggest threat to the security of the rest of Serbia, as well as the rest of Europe.
That is infact Europe's 2nd biggest problem. The first is the Eurozone and eventual EU collapse. Ironically when that finally happens (as it surely will) Serbia will take care of Europe's other biggest problem on its own.
The drugs, prostitutes and extracted organs that come from Kosovo* is the biggest threat to the security of the rest of Serbia, as well as the rest of Europe.
That is infact Europe's 2nd biggest problem. The first is the Eurozone and eventual EU collapse. Ironically when that finally happens (as it surely will) Serbia will take care of Europe's other biggest problem on its own.
Nikolle, Albanians are their own worst enemies, as they cannot live with anyone but their own. What is it with Albanci, wherever they are, they cause havoc? Europe especially, has had enough of your violence, criminality, and backward primitivism. And please, Nikolle, your Srebrenica comments are getting quite old - let the Hague decide what happened. I would recommend you work on cleaning up the black hole you call Kosova.
Winston, I shall agree with you for a moment. we are horrid, uneducated, ignorant simpletons who have yet to discover fire and we still believe the sun revolves around the earth. so why do you want 2 million of them to be part of you? kosova doesn't come without those horrible, malnourished low on etiquette Albanians.
Winston:
"Europe especially, has had enough of your violence, criminality, and backward primitivism"
Coming from someone whose own country caused 4 devestating wars and was responsible for the greatest atrocities after WWII. How could Albanians be more violent, criminal and primitive than the Serbs who killed more than hundred thousands of people in former Yugoslavia? There are more than 50 Serbian officials sentenced in the Hague for muder, rape, expulsion, torture of the non-Serbs in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo in the '90. How could Albanians possibly be more violent than the Serbs? Is there an Albanian equivalent of Srebrenica, Racak, Qyshk, Vukovar, Sarajevo that justifies your assumption? Is there an Albanian equivalent of war criminals like Milosevic, Karadzic, Mladic, Hozic, Arkan etc.? Hava there been massgraves uncovered of murderd Serbs or were they always Bosnians and Albanians like in 2010 in Raska where a massgrave was uncovered with the bodies of 250 Albanians? How about the 1700 Albanians still missing?
As for Europe, I live in the Western Europe and the Europeans are far more sympathetic to Bosnians, Croatians and Albanians than to the Serbs. The only people who support you are right wing scum who applauded when Anders Breivik murderd 77 innocent people.
You Serbs keep to amaze me. On the one hand you say that Kosovo is Europe's greatest drug hub and on the other hand you worry about the financial problems Kosovo might face if EU-funding declines. How could Kosovo have money problems when there is so much drug trafficking according to you? You are contradicting yourself and this isn't your first time.
And please don't worry about Kosovo's finance, Kosovo can count on the support of the great Albanian diaspora in USA and Europe. Financially, Politically, and if necessary physically. Just like in the past. The same goes for Albanians living in Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia.
...and vice versa. statements like this bring to fore Kosova's desperate need for a professional army, to meet its sworn enemy head on
(Nikolle, 18 May 2012 11:37)
Now who is going to pay for this Kosova professional army? Kosova does not have the money; then who? The EU??????????????
Here is something I learnt a long, long time ago – wishes don’t wash dishes.
The reality is that the west has “hung you guys out to dry”. Sooner than later the Serbian authorities will take over simply because the EU cash has run out.
It's truly amazing that after 11 years the most powerful countries in the world have not managed to make anything out of Kosovo. Albanians are still creating all kinds of problems lately, first in Macedonia and now Serbia. Enough is enough! If the west can't handle the problem, leave and let the serbian army deal with albanian terrorists.
"t might take 2 or 3 years, but the future looks bright for Serbia and us who don't like the EU :-) We will get Kosovo back, we are patient, and you are running out of both support and funding."
sure, i'm certain those serbs who fell prey to the Ottomans in the 14th century thought the same as you :). as for kosova losing support, yes, true, Germany has just withdrawn recognition (duh).
Winston, I shall agree with you for a moment. we are horrid, uneducated, ignorant simpletons who have yet to discover fire and we still believe the sun revolves around the earth. so why do you want 2 million of them to be part of you? kosova doesn't come without those horrible, malnourished low on etiquette Albanians. - Nikolle
Serbia's fight is for its land, not for Albanians. No one needs, or deserves, that kind of headache.I think you get that confused. Albanians can govern themselves on Serbian territory - comprendere?
(Winston, 18 May 2012 15:03)
Winston you think this is headache with K-Albanins just think if you had Kosovo no more nice guy there will be blood in Beograd, Nis, Novi Sad.
Are you ready for that, what cant you understand No K-Albanins does ever want to be ruled by Serbs, the ones in Presevo they are small number so they have to adjust just like Serbs in North K.
Mike,
bring on Serbian Army but they will fight Albania as well and this time people are armed and ready not like last time moved like in slaughter house.
Ah that Kumanovo agreement its another painful reminder you are not allowed to send Army 5KM near Kosovo it must hurt, and it will be there for long long long time.
Dikovic is just upset he got smacked around in 1999 and is desperately trying to redeem himself. This is the bully who just comes back for more punishment. Well, we would be more than happy to give you a second serving.
@Wesley Clark
really? you are really the fanatic.. Dikovic never got defeated. He had you and you momma runnin for the hills..and you call came out after several countries decided to intervene. Dont be so sure it will be that way this time around. This is really building..oh and you hoping that terrorist fire hits the police next time..tells me you must really be trying to fuel the fire. Im not sure everyone feels like you. albos have zero power in our province of Kosovo and Metohija. It would come down crashing in a matter of weeks..
Winston
really interesting. so you want Albanians to be wild carrying Serb passports and of course as Serb citizens. these troglodytes, who still believe Poseidon is ruler of the seas and of course have alchemy lessons in state schools (that's how primitive we are), would also constitute a very LARGE number of Serbia's electorate and as such any potential gov. will most likely have to make a deal with them. imagine the good PR that'll give you :) as for fighting for you land...bah
sj B92 did not publish my comment to your challenge
“The biggest security challenge for Serbia is Kosovo’s unilaterally declared independence. Rest assured that we will adequately react to every attempt to spread the crisis from the province to the territory of central Serbia in accordance with decisions and authority,” Diković was quoted as saying. "
Serbia has been trying so hard to make the K-declaration of independence the source of any conflict in the region and in the world, so what this man is saying is conflicting what his superiors are doing.
i've heard this since 2000...still waiting :)
(Nikolle, 18 May 2012 12:54)
It was not hard to predict what will happen to Kosovo even in 2000. Money runs this world; all else is nonsense, but you give the impression that you have inside knowledge, please lay out for all to see how Kosovo will survive on its own. Kosovo has become a hell hole that all your Albanians would leave if they had a single chance so enlighten us all with your wisdom. As I said before wishes don’t wash dishes.
Even the Germans are moving industry into Serbia proper, and Germany has recognized an independent Kosvoa, but how many industries have they opened up in Pristina? When you honestly answer this question all the rest falls into place.
"The biggest security challenge for Serbia is Kosovo’s unilaterally declared independence."
No, the problem is not the independence, but the fact that Kosovo is a mafia stat where politicians are interwoven with drug gangs, without a proper police/justice and thus became a safe haven for all kind of criminals.
i've heard this since 2000...still waiting :)
(Nikolle, 18 May 2012 12:54)
And so am I. I am really hoping that Greece shows Germany and France this summer that they can take their austerity demands and credit clams and shove them were the sun don't shine. Greece should cancel all payments to EU immedeately and start to rebuild their economy without Germanys demands.
Hopefulley Spain and Italy (and Ireland) will follow, then EU in its modern form will not be there. Hopefully Germany will have to much trouble in their own country with almost no exports to continue to meddle in Serbias provinces affairs. They will most surely don't continue to finance them at all.
It might take 2 or 3 years, but the future looks bright for Serbia and us who don't like the EU :-) We will get Kosovo back, we are patient, and you are running out of both support and funding.
Here is something I learnt a long, long time ago – wishes don’t wash dishes.
The reality is that the west has “hung you guys out to dry”. Sooner than later the Serbian authorities will take over simply because the EU cash has run out.
(sj, 18 May 2012 12:25
Seriously dude, you have the nerve to post this statement? Where do you see Serbia when the EU cash runs out? Realistically. Check the facts Serbia is dog peddling with its head barely above water with all the western support it can get. Take that away and it will become a wasteland. Look at your Russian and Chinese investments and try to find one that benefits Serbia more than themselves.
15 minutes after Serbia took control of Kosovo the Dinar would become a cheap alternative to shredded paper for packing boxes.
"Even the Germans are moving industry into Serbia proper, and Germany has recognized an independent Kosvoa, but how many industries have they opened up in Pristina?"
(sj, 18 May 2012 14:08)
Still living in communist times, eh? Maybe it's like that for Russia and China, but it's not 'Germany' that invest in Serbia, but German (private) companies. Companies have other criteria for investing, they want a safe place for investment which pays off after some years. A pseudo-state with a doubtful status, lack of infrastructure which is ruled by unpredictable mafia clans/politicians who care more for their own pockets and cause trouble and tension when they think they benefit from it politically is not a good place to invest.
The "security threats" come as low-level annoyances instead of high-risk instabilities. Albanian extremists are indeed interested in causing just enough trouble to get Serbia and Macedonia to respond so a new conflict can arise. Shots fired across the "border", aggressive but empty rhetoric from Pristina, and politically motivated arrests are all part of the plan. But none of these will ever manifest in any widescale "invasion" or uprising like March 2004. Albanians have far too much to lose since the last time they tried that, they were saddled with the Ahtisaari Plan. They tried something again last July and now KFOR is basically working directly with those "illegal parallel" institutions up north. At this rate, I'm almost hoping Albanian nationalism forces them to do something again. Who knows what additional concessions we can get? Podujevo seems pretty nice :)
@Wesley Clark
really? you are really the fanatic.. Dikovic never got defeated. He had you and you momma runnin for the hills..and you call came out after several countries decided to intervene. Dont be so sure it will be that way this time around. This is really building..oh and you hoping that terrorist fire hits the police next time..tells me you must really be trying to fuel the fire. Im not sure everyone feels like you. albos have zero power in our province of Kosovo and Metohija. It would come down crashing in a matter of weeks..
(Momcilo, 18 May 2012 18:32)
Of course Dikovic and Serbia were defeated. What do you call Serbia not having any control over Kosova, but crying at the same time to get it back? It means THEY DO NOT HAVE IT, BUT WOULD LIKE IT BACK. If they had won, they wouldn't be crying and begging for it back and mentioning 1244 and everything under the sun. Just today MUP was shot at from over the "border" in Kosova and they did nothing about it. You and every Serb have an odd definition of victory. Its sort of like chess, does it matter how one check mates the king? Whether its with all the pieces or one piece. The goal of the game is to win....that's precisely what the KLA and each and every Kosovar did! The KLA outfoxed and outsmarted Serbia. Serbian cockiness led to their demise. Serbia thought they can win with brute force, KLA knew they could win by building world support for their cause. KLA's plan worked and Serbia's didn't. Their goal was to eject Serbia from Kosova and they succeeded. Kosovars are in luck if you want to hire more people like Dikovic who "win" wars. If Dikovic is considered a winner I would hate to see your losers. Oh, your barricades were also shut down. Serb resistance is fading fast! LOL
Winston, I shall agree with you for a moment. we are horrid, uneducated, ignorant simpletons who have yet to discover fire and we still believe the sun revolves around the earth. so why do you want 2 million of them to be part of you? kosova doesn't come without those horrible, malnourished low on etiquette Albanians. - Nikolle
Serbia's fight is for its land, not for Albanians. No one needs, or deserves, that kind of headache.I think you get that confused. Albanians can govern themselves on Serbian territory - comprendere?
"Ah that Kumanovo agreement its another painful reminder you are not allowed to send Army 5KM near Kosovo it must hurt, and it will be there for long long long time."
Gjakovari
It also means that albanians in Kosovo are not allowed to provoke serbs in Serbia proper but it hasn't stopped you. If you don't respect the kumanovo agreement then neither should Serbia. Besides, threatening with the albanian army isn't scaring anyone. What are they going to do? Take their donkeys and their pichforks and attack Serbia?
(sj, 19 May 2012 07:47)
Hopefully your bosses in the banking industry do not read your comments to find out exactly how little you actually know about global finance.
China has built their economy on the cheap manufacture of goods shipped to the west. If you have not noticed that has slowed due to the western economy. Most of the Chinese goods are luxury items (not as in expensive, but as in optional and not mandatory). China understands that if the west collapses they have no market and the ride is over.
Most of the "loans" that Serbia is getting are in reality freebies as Serbia does not have the means nor probability of ever repaying them. But it matters not if you call it a loan or assistance, should the west collapse and that money is gone, it is gone.
I am not saying that any country in the west is not struggling, but I am not the one who thinks that all the walls around are going to crumble and Serbia is going to emerge as the beacon of Europe either.
Your politicians would have to change their shorts if Europe were to hand Kosovo over to Serbia, the drain of resources to try to control it would collapse Serbia in a matter of minutes.
Do you really think that should EU be unable to finance operations in Kosovo that they would still be able to funnel it through Serbia???
As you have noted you are not in Serbia, why?, because you know you have no economic future there, pure and simple.
As far as your "ifs", there are a lot of ifs out there that could change the face of the world.
Nikolle, Albanians are their own worst enemies, as they cannot live with anyone but their own.
--It's as if the Serbs have no memory. It's as if the whole nation had a lobotomy. Dude, the Montenegrins didn't want to live under the same roof with you, the Serbs. There is nothing in this world thats closer to the Serbs than Montenegrins; and even them didnt want to live with you. Talk about not being able to live without anyone else.
really? you are really the fanatic.. Dikovic never got defeated. He had you and you momma runnin for the hills..
(Momcilo, 18 May 2012 18:32)
Don't argue with a washed up general who failed at trying to run for president Momcilo. It's a pity he has to troll on B92 to get attention these days. He couldn't even get a spot on Dancing with the Stars.
"Ah that Kumanovo agreement its another painful reminder you are not allowed to send Army 5KM near Kosovo it must hurt, and it will be there for long long long time."
Gjakovari
It also means that albanians in Kosovo are not allowed to provoke serbs in Serbia proper but it hasn't stopped you. If you don't respect the kumanovo agreement then neither should Serbia. Besides, threatening with the albanian army isn't scaring anyone. What are they going to do? Take their donkeys and their pichforks and attack Serbia?
(MikeC, 18 May 2012 21:43)
Bring proof this is not Serbs shooting? I mean how do you know it was Albanian could it a Serb? So until you have proof its just finger pointing.
Kumanovo agreement is not being broken by Kosovo ( Arresting police and then releasing them it is) but again !! Serbia has Lost war in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo ( Granted with big big help of NATO) but with Albania being in NATO they are modernizing their army much more than you think and its much stronger than Croatia in 1990s so it means it can beat Serbia.
Mike have you ever been to Albania?
And if you and other Serbs give Abanian Mafia so much credit dont you think they can bring enough Arms and bombs smuggle them to Serbia and cause havoc?
No one is interested to attack Serbia it Ivica doing his pre election bidding to help Tadic ?
Cui Bono = "To whose benefit?" Serbia trying to portray attack if in Presevo they blocked the roads like in North you wont be as generous? Just think if a Police officer gets shot in Serbia by Albanian who easy could have fought in ksoovo!!!
...and then you woke up and realized you're still in Australia : )
(Nikolle, 19 May 2012 13:09)
Actaully I m in Ho Chi Min City, Vietnam at teh momnet. Ask yourself, where are you going to find work when the industry is being opened up in Serbia proper?
How many factories have your allies the US Germany or France or UK have opened up shop in Kosovo??????? NOT ONE; care to hear that again NOT ONE.
Now tell us all how Kosovo is going to survive? Waiting with anticipation. As I said one door out.
Why do you people constantly repeat the same rubbish over and over again about China manufacturing cheap goods……”. How do you think the US climbed to the top? What by thinking democratic thoughts???? It’s called mass production and the manufacture of cheap goods, that’s how. However if it will help you and others to get off this band wagon, yes China built its economy on cheap manufacturing of goods.
Have I noticed about a slowdown in western economies you ask? I was the one who kept on saying that the so called recession was not over and another was on the way that was worse but until it was published in the media I was howled down. The slowdown commenced in Europe due to the debt crises and it affects the US greatly because the EU is its biggest trading partner and it means that the US will go even further in Depression and the unemployment will increase even more.
If this had happened 15 years ago China would have felt the full force of these recessions, but, and please pay very close attention to what I say, today China has over 350 million MIDDLE CLASS and growing by each year. In 1995 China exported 80% of all it production to the US, today it only exports 15%. Because it has a cashed up middle class.
The Chinese understand what is going on and the only reason they are helping out is that they want an orderly transition from the west to the east. That’s all. China will not disappear if the west collapses. China and a few others are the only ones with the money.
Loans to Serbia are not freebies as you call it, because if you take into account how many mouths the west has to feed and prop up there is not enough gold on this planet to do it all. The aid given is to pay off the politicians in power such as Tadic and Dacic and not one Euro is seen by the people. If I am wrong then why is Serbia in hock to the tune of 35 percent of the GDP(some say its 45%)?
For the millionth time I have never said that Serbia is anything more than a small country in Europe with a small economy, but what I have said is that it has a tremendous potential.
“Your politicians would have to change their shorts if Europe were to hand Kosovo over to Serbia, the drain of resources to try to control it would collapse Serbia in a matter of minutes. “
No not really. Belgrade places military on all exits in Kosovo and leaves only one open – to Albania. Belgrade spends nothing more than it has been spending so far and within 6 months all Albanians are back to Albania. Do you actually think that Serbia will move any industry to Kosovo to help out the Albanians? If the west has done nothing then you know what Belgrade will do. The EU will in the long run force you back, but if you see that Kosovo can survive on its own I’d be glad to hear it.
“Do you really think that should EU be unable to finance operations in Kosovo that they would still be able to funnel it through Serbia???
Not sure what you mean by this? It’s not if the EU runs out of money. Go and ask Croatia or Slovenia – their budgets are well down because the EU is not able to keep propping them up. Why is the EU so keen on making these formers republics work with Belgrade?
I was not born In Serbia and I have never lived there and its economy was destroyed by the democratic huggers in Washington. Like I told all about this current recession, there are no ifs or buts. Money rules all and the west have run out and you can work out the rest.
(Comm. Parrisson, 18 May 2012 14:49)
Point taken. I when I said Germany I did not mean the government but German private companies that invest in Serbia. Companies will deal with the Satan if it is going to make them money; it is a simple as that and no amount of high moral grounds or ethics comes into play here, but it’s the amount of money they can make. This covers all companies that have shareholders to satisfy.
Why have the Germans started to invest in Serbia ? You are going to have to ask them but it’s a fact that many are making the move, but if you feel its such a bad move please protest at your local German embassy.
(pss, 18 May 2012 19:11)
Serbia is borrowing money and then spending it, but the EU is giving over two hundred million Euors per year in “assistance”. For most people it’s a lot of money, but in reality it’s not so. This is best described as bribe money or money to pay off all the Presidents, Ministers, police chiefs etc or people like Tadic, Dacic etc. Not once cent reaches the otdinary people; its the borrowings that reaches the people and in the end it is they who will have to repay it.
Perhaps you can enlighten us here on which EU members are not “dog paddling with their heads above water” with the exception of Germany, of course?????? The west is being held up by Chinese loans and you talk about without western support Serbia will be this or that….!!!! Do you people have a TV or radio? Its the commies that are keeping your blessed west afloat and if they get pissed off its bye bye west.
On the issue of Kosovo, no the dinar will not become shredded paper because you assume that Belgrade is going to spend money there; yes it will, but on the Serbs not on your Albanians. Belgrade secures the borders and leaves one open door to Albania and when things become so bad its bye bye Albanians and back to mother country. Problem solved.
(Wesley Clark, 18 May 2012 20:23)
You have aptly named yourself after a western wanker. Gee you talk some s…
"At this rate, I'm almost hoping Albanian nationalism forces them to do something again. Who knows what additional concessions we can get? Podujevo seems pretty nice :)"
(Balkan Anthropologist, 18 May 2012 18:05)
yes, it's somehow ironic that especially these extremists/nationalists who claim to care for their 'country' or 'nation' cause exactly the opposite with their actions. This goes for both sides, of course.
sj,
you have the gift of gab as we like to say. But your words have no substance.
Everyone knows that China's economy is built of cheap manufacturing but not manufacturing alone, they have to have a buyer for those goods. thats the part you do not understand.
The slowing of the economy was not the west it was Chinas growth rate slowing due to the recession in the west.
You really think that anyone is going to let Serbia put a choke hold on Kosovo in the middle of Europe? Maybe you have been in Malaysia or Vietnam too long, time to go back to Aus and see the family Dr.
On the issue of Kosovo, no the dinar will not become shredded paper because you assume that Belgrade is going to spend money there; yes it will, but on the Serbs not on your Albanians. Belgrade secures the borders and leaves one open door to Albania and when things become so bad its bye bye Albanians and back to mother country. Problem solved
sj,
Wasn't that the Milosevic plan?????? After 10 years of this policy and the resulting revolt is when it turned to violence and the west moved in.
You show 2 things, NATO was a necessary intervention, and Serbia has not changed at all and can never be trusted to control Kosovo again(which it never will).
It also shows that the US and NATO erred when they agreed not to have occupation troops in Serbia!
sadly b92 did not publish my comment sj. allow me to tell you (an alleged economist) industry doesn't mean factories, only the biggest of all dimwits would believe that it does (surprise surprise). not to worry, you can always console yourself with the mythical figure of 85% :-)
To all internet warriors, douche bags and neanderthals get a life, do something usefull, save a kitten, have a wank... anything but talking about something that may or may not happen. Who honestly gives a rats ass about Kosovo, Serbia or Albania. Dont be so provincial, think globally.
PS Nicolle take a break, you dont have to be a b**** all the time
The drugs, prostitutes and extracted organs that come from Kosovo* is the biggest threat to the security of the rest of Serbia, as well as the rest of Europe.
That is infact Europe's 2nd biggest problem. The first is the Eurozone and eventual EU collapse. Ironically when that finally happens (as it surely will) Serbia will take care of Europe's other biggest problem on its own.
Nikolle, Albanians are their own worst enemies, as they cannot live with anyone but their own. What is it with Albanci, wherever they are, they cause havoc? Europe especially, has had enough of your violence, criminality, and backward primitivism. And please, Nikolle, your Srebrenica comments are getting quite old - let the Hague decide what happened. I would recommend you work on cleaning up the black hole you call Kosova.
It's truly amazing that after 11 years the most powerful countries in the world have not managed to make anything out of Kosovo. Albanians are still creating all kinds of problems lately, first in Macedonia and now Serbia. Enough is enough! If the west can't handle the problem, leave and let the serbian army deal with albanian terrorists.
...and vice versa. statements like this bring to fore Kosova's desperate need for a professional army, to meet its sworn enemy head on
(Nikolle, 18 May 2012 11:37)
Now who is going to pay for this Kosova professional army? Kosova does not have the money; then who? The EU??????????????
Here is something I learnt a long, long time ago – wishes don’t wash dishes.
The reality is that the west has “hung you guys out to dry”. Sooner than later the Serbian authorities will take over simply because the EU cash has run out.
i've heard this since 2000...still waiting :)
(Nikolle, 18 May 2012 12:54)
And so am I. I am really hoping that Greece shows Germany and France this summer that they can take their austerity demands and credit clams and shove them were the sun don't shine. Greece should cancel all payments to EU immedeately and start to rebuild their economy without Germanys demands.
Hopefulley Spain and Italy (and Ireland) will follow, then EU in its modern form will not be there. Hopefully Germany will have to much trouble in their own country with almost no exports to continue to meddle in Serbias provinces affairs. They will most surely don't continue to finance them at all.
It might take 2 or 3 years, but the future looks bright for Serbia and us who don't like the EU :-) We will get Kosovo back, we are patient, and you are running out of both support and funding.
i've heard this since 2000...still waiting :)
(Nikolle, 18 May 2012 12:54)
It was not hard to predict what will happen to Kosovo even in 2000. Money runs this world; all else is nonsense, but you give the impression that you have inside knowledge, please lay out for all to see how Kosovo will survive on its own. Kosovo has become a hell hole that all your Albanians would leave if they had a single chance so enlighten us all with your wisdom. As I said before wishes don’t wash dishes.
Even the Germans are moving industry into Serbia proper, and Germany has recognized an independent Kosvoa, but how many industries have they opened up in Pristina? When you honestly answer this question all the rest falls into place.
@Wesley Clark
really? you are really the fanatic.. Dikovic never got defeated. He had you and you momma runnin for the hills..and you call came out after several countries decided to intervene. Dont be so sure it will be that way this time around. This is really building..oh and you hoping that terrorist fire hits the police next time..tells me you must really be trying to fuel the fire. Im not sure everyone feels like you. albos have zero power in our province of Kosovo and Metohija. It would come down crashing in a matter of weeks..
"The biggest security challenge for Serbia is Kosovo’s unilaterally declared independence."
No, the problem is not the independence, but the fact that Kosovo is a mafia stat where politicians are interwoven with drug gangs, without a proper police/justice and thus became a safe haven for all kind of criminals.
Winston, I shall agree with you for a moment. we are horrid, uneducated, ignorant simpletons who have yet to discover fire and we still believe the sun revolves around the earth. so why do you want 2 million of them to be part of you? kosova doesn't come without those horrible, malnourished low on etiquette Albanians. - Nikolle
Serbia's fight is for its land, not for Albanians. No one needs, or deserves, that kind of headache.I think you get that confused. Albanians can govern themselves on Serbian territory - comprendere?
"Even the Germans are moving industry into Serbia proper, and Germany has recognized an independent Kosvoa, but how many industries have they opened up in Pristina?"
(sj, 18 May 2012 14:08)
Still living in communist times, eh? Maybe it's like that for Russia and China, but it's not 'Germany' that invest in Serbia, but German (private) companies. Companies have other criteria for investing, they want a safe place for investment which pays off after some years. A pseudo-state with a doubtful status, lack of infrastructure which is ruled by unpredictable mafia clans/politicians who care more for their own pockets and cause trouble and tension when they think they benefit from it politically is not a good place to invest.
Dikovic is just upset he got smacked around in 1999 and is desperately trying to redeem himself. This is the bully who just comes back for more punishment. Well, we would be more than happy to give you a second serving.
Winston:
"Europe especially, has had enough of your violence, criminality, and backward primitivism"
Coming from someone whose own country caused 4 devestating wars and was responsible for the greatest atrocities after WWII. How could Albanians be more violent, criminal and primitive than the Serbs who killed more than hundred thousands of people in former Yugoslavia? There are more than 50 Serbian officials sentenced in the Hague for muder, rape, expulsion, torture of the non-Serbs in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo in the '90. How could Albanians possibly be more violent than the Serbs? Is there an Albanian equivalent of Srebrenica, Racak, Qyshk, Vukovar, Sarajevo that justifies your assumption? Is there an Albanian equivalent of war criminals like Milosevic, Karadzic, Mladic, Hozic, Arkan etc.? Hava there been massgraves uncovered of murderd Serbs or were they always Bosnians and Albanians like in 2010 in Raska where a massgrave was uncovered with the bodies of 250 Albanians? How about the 1700 Albanians still missing?
As for Europe, I live in the Western Europe and the Europeans are far more sympathetic to Bosnians, Croatians and Albanians than to the Serbs. The only people who support you are right wing scum who applauded when Anders Breivik murderd 77 innocent people.
"t might take 2 or 3 years, but the future looks bright for Serbia and us who don't like the EU :-) We will get Kosovo back, we are patient, and you are running out of both support and funding."
sure, i'm certain those serbs who fell prey to the Ottomans in the 14th century thought the same as you :). as for kosova losing support, yes, true, Germany has just withdrawn recognition (duh).
You Serbs keep to amaze me. On the one hand you say that Kosovo is Europe's greatest drug hub and on the other hand you worry about the financial problems Kosovo might face if EU-funding declines. How could Kosovo have money problems when there is so much drug trafficking according to you? You are contradicting yourself and this isn't your first time.
And please don't worry about Kosovo's finance, Kosovo can count on the support of the great Albanian diaspora in USA and Europe. Financially, Politically, and if necessary physically. Just like in the past. The same goes for Albanians living in Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia.
Winston, I shall agree with you for a moment. we are horrid, uneducated, ignorant simpletons who have yet to discover fire and we still believe the sun revolves around the earth. so why do you want 2 million of them to be part of you? kosova doesn't come without those horrible, malnourished low on etiquette Albanians. - Nikolle
Serbia's fight is for its land, not for Albanians. No one needs, or deserves, that kind of headache.I think you get that confused. Albanians can govern themselves on Serbian territory - comprendere?
(Winston, 18 May 2012 15:03)
Winston you think this is headache with K-Albanins just think if you had Kosovo no more nice guy there will be blood in Beograd, Nis, Novi Sad.
Are you ready for that, what cant you understand No K-Albanins does ever want to be ruled by Serbs, the ones in Presevo they are small number so they have to adjust just like Serbs in North K.
Mike,
bring on Serbian Army but they will fight Albania as well and this time people are armed and ready not like last time moved like in slaughter house.
Ah that Kumanovo agreement its another painful reminder you are not allowed to send Army 5KM near Kosovo it must hurt, and it will be there for long long long time.
The "security threats" come as low-level annoyances instead of high-risk instabilities. Albanian extremists are indeed interested in causing just enough trouble to get Serbia and Macedonia to respond so a new conflict can arise. Shots fired across the "border", aggressive but empty rhetoric from Pristina, and politically motivated arrests are all part of the plan. But none of these will ever manifest in any widescale "invasion" or uprising like March 2004. Albanians have far too much to lose since the last time they tried that, they were saddled with the Ahtisaari Plan. They tried something again last July and now KFOR is basically working directly with those "illegal parallel" institutions up north. At this rate, I'm almost hoping Albanian nationalism forces them to do something again. Who knows what additional concessions we can get? Podujevo seems pretty nice :)
"Ah that Kumanovo agreement its another painful reminder you are not allowed to send Army 5KM near Kosovo it must hurt, and it will be there for long long long time."
Gjakovari
It also means that albanians in Kosovo are not allowed to provoke serbs in Serbia proper but it hasn't stopped you. If you don't respect the kumanovo agreement then neither should Serbia. Besides, threatening with the albanian army isn't scaring anyone. What are they going to do? Take their donkeys and their pichforks and attack Serbia?
Winston, I shall agree with you for a moment. we are horrid, uneducated, ignorant simpletons who have yet to discover fire and we still believe the sun revolves around the earth. so why do you want 2 million of them to be part of you? kosova doesn't come without those horrible, malnourished low on etiquette Albanians.
Winston
really interesting. so you want Albanians to be wild carrying Serb passports and of course as Serb citizens. these troglodytes, who still believe Poseidon is ruler of the seas and of course have alchemy lessons in state schools (that's how primitive we are), would also constitute a very LARGE number of Serbia's electorate and as such any potential gov. will most likely have to make a deal with them. imagine the good PR that'll give you :) as for fighting for you land...bah
sj B92 did not publish my comment to your challenge
“The biggest security challenge for Serbia is Kosovo’s unilaterally declared independence. Rest assured that we will adequately react to every attempt to spread the crisis from the province to the territory of central Serbia in accordance with decisions and authority,” Diković was quoted as saying. "
Serbia has been trying so hard to make the K-declaration of independence the source of any conflict in the region and in the world, so what this man is saying is conflicting what his superiors are doing.
@Wesley Clark
really? you are really the fanatic.. Dikovic never got defeated. He had you and you momma runnin for the hills..and you call came out after several countries decided to intervene. Dont be so sure it will be that way this time around. This is really building..oh and you hoping that terrorist fire hits the police next time..tells me you must really be trying to fuel the fire. Im not sure everyone feels like you. albos have zero power in our province of Kosovo and Metohija. It would come down crashing in a matter of weeks..
(Momcilo, 18 May 2012 18:32)
Of course Dikovic and Serbia were defeated. What do you call Serbia not having any control over Kosova, but crying at the same time to get it back? It means THEY DO NOT HAVE IT, BUT WOULD LIKE IT BACK. If they had won, they wouldn't be crying and begging for it back and mentioning 1244 and everything under the sun. Just today MUP was shot at from over the "border" in Kosova and they did nothing about it. You and every Serb have an odd definition of victory. Its sort of like chess, does it matter how one check mates the king? Whether its with all the pieces or one piece. The goal of the game is to win....that's precisely what the KLA and each and every Kosovar did! The KLA outfoxed and outsmarted Serbia. Serbian cockiness led to their demise. Serbia thought they can win with brute force, KLA knew they could win by building world support for their cause. KLA's plan worked and Serbia's didn't. Their goal was to eject Serbia from Kosova and they succeeded. Kosovars are in luck if you want to hire more people like Dikovic who "win" wars. If Dikovic is considered a winner I would hate to see your losers. Oh, your barricades were also shut down. Serb resistance is fading fast! LOL
(Comm. Parrisson, 18 May 2012 14:49)
Point taken. I when I said Germany I did not mean the government but German private companies that invest in Serbia. Companies will deal with the Satan if it is going to make them money; it is a simple as that and no amount of high moral grounds or ethics comes into play here, but it’s the amount of money they can make. This covers all companies that have shareholders to satisfy.
Why have the Germans started to invest in Serbia ? You are going to have to ask them but it’s a fact that many are making the move, but if you feel its such a bad move please protest at your local German embassy.
(pss, 18 May 2012 19:11)
Serbia is borrowing money and then spending it, but the EU is giving over two hundred million Euors per year in “assistance”. For most people it’s a lot of money, but in reality it’s not so. This is best described as bribe money or money to pay off all the Presidents, Ministers, police chiefs etc or people like Tadic, Dacic etc. Not once cent reaches the otdinary people; its the borrowings that reaches the people and in the end it is they who will have to repay it.
Perhaps you can enlighten us here on which EU members are not “dog paddling with their heads above water” with the exception of Germany, of course?????? The west is being held up by Chinese loans and you talk about without western support Serbia will be this or that….!!!! Do you people have a TV or radio? Its the commies that are keeping your blessed west afloat and if they get pissed off its bye bye west.
On the issue of Kosovo, no the dinar will not become shredded paper because you assume that Belgrade is going to spend money there; yes it will, but on the Serbs not on your Albanians. Belgrade secures the borders and leaves one open door to Albania and when things become so bad its bye bye Albanians and back to mother country. Problem solved.
(Wesley Clark, 18 May 2012 20:23)
You have aptly named yourself after a western wanker. Gee you talk some s…
Here is something I learnt a long, long time ago – wishes don’t wash dishes.
The reality is that the west has “hung you guys out to dry”. Sooner than later the Serbian authorities will take over simply because the EU cash has run out.
(sj, 18 May 2012 12:25
Seriously dude, you have the nerve to post this statement? Where do you see Serbia when the EU cash runs out? Realistically. Check the facts Serbia is dog peddling with its head barely above water with all the western support it can get. Take that away and it will become a wasteland. Look at your Russian and Chinese investments and try to find one that benefits Serbia more than themselves.
15 minutes after Serbia took control of Kosovo the Dinar would become a cheap alternative to shredded paper for packing boxes.
really? you are really the fanatic.. Dikovic never got defeated. He had you and you momma runnin for the hills..
(Momcilo, 18 May 2012 18:32)
Don't argue with a washed up general who failed at trying to run for president Momcilo. It's a pity he has to troll on B92 to get attention these days. He couldn't even get a spot on Dancing with the Stars.
"At this rate, I'm almost hoping Albanian nationalism forces them to do something again. Who knows what additional concessions we can get? Podujevo seems pretty nice :)"
(Balkan Anthropologist, 18 May 2012 18:05)
yes, it's somehow ironic that especially these extremists/nationalists who claim to care for their 'country' or 'nation' cause exactly the opposite with their actions. This goes for both sides, of course.
(sj, 19 May 2012 07:47)
Hopefully your bosses in the banking industry do not read your comments to find out exactly how little you actually know about global finance.
China has built their economy on the cheap manufacture of goods shipped to the west. If you have not noticed that has slowed due to the western economy. Most of the Chinese goods are luxury items (not as in expensive, but as in optional and not mandatory). China understands that if the west collapses they have no market and the ride is over.
Most of the "loans" that Serbia is getting are in reality freebies as Serbia does not have the means nor probability of ever repaying them. But it matters not if you call it a loan or assistance, should the west collapse and that money is gone, it is gone.
I am not saying that any country in the west is not struggling, but I am not the one who thinks that all the walls around are going to crumble and Serbia is going to emerge as the beacon of Europe either.
Your politicians would have to change their shorts if Europe were to hand Kosovo over to Serbia, the drain of resources to try to control it would collapse Serbia in a matter of minutes.
Do you really think that should EU be unable to finance operations in Kosovo that they would still be able to funnel it through Serbia???
As you have noted you are not in Serbia, why?, because you know you have no economic future there, pure and simple.
As far as your "ifs", there are a lot of ifs out there that could change the face of the world.
Nikolle, Albanians are their own worst enemies, as they cannot live with anyone but their own.
--It's as if the Serbs have no memory. It's as if the whole nation had a lobotomy. Dude, the Montenegrins didn't want to live under the same roof with you, the Serbs. There is nothing in this world thats closer to the Serbs than Montenegrins; and even them didnt want to live with you. Talk about not being able to live without anyone else.
"Ah that Kumanovo agreement its another painful reminder you are not allowed to send Army 5KM near Kosovo it must hurt, and it will be there for long long long time."
Gjakovari
It also means that albanians in Kosovo are not allowed to provoke serbs in Serbia proper but it hasn't stopped you. If you don't respect the kumanovo agreement then neither should Serbia. Besides, threatening with the albanian army isn't scaring anyone. What are they going to do? Take their donkeys and their pichforks and attack Serbia?
(MikeC, 18 May 2012 21:43)
Bring proof this is not Serbs shooting? I mean how do you know it was Albanian could it a Serb? So until you have proof its just finger pointing.
Kumanovo agreement is not being broken by Kosovo ( Arresting police and then releasing them it is) but again !! Serbia has Lost war in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo ( Granted with big big help of NATO) but with Albania being in NATO they are modernizing their army much more than you think and its much stronger than Croatia in 1990s so it means it can beat Serbia.
Mike have you ever been to Albania?
And if you and other Serbs give Abanian Mafia so much credit dont you think they can bring enough Arms and bombs smuggle them to Serbia and cause havoc?
No one is interested to attack Serbia it Ivica doing his pre election bidding to help Tadic ?
Cui Bono = "To whose benefit?" Serbia trying to portray attack if in Presevo they blocked the roads like in North you wont be as generous? Just think if a Police officer gets shot in Serbia by Albanian who easy could have fought in ksoovo!!!
...and then you woke up and realized you're still in Australia : )
(Nikolle, 19 May 2012 13:09)
Actaully I m in Ho Chi Min City, Vietnam at teh momnet. Ask yourself, where are you going to find work when the industry is being opened up in Serbia proper?
How many factories have your allies the US Germany or France or UK have opened up shop in Kosovo??????? NOT ONE; care to hear that again NOT ONE.
Now tell us all how Kosovo is going to survive? Waiting with anticipation. As I said one door out.
On the issue of Kosovo, no the dinar will not become shredded paper because you assume that Belgrade is going to spend money there; yes it will, but on the Serbs not on your Albanians. Belgrade secures the borders and leaves one open door to Albania and when things become so bad its bye bye Albanians and back to mother country. Problem solved
sj,
Wasn't that the Milosevic plan?????? After 10 years of this policy and the resulting revolt is when it turned to violence and the west moved in.
You show 2 things, NATO was a necessary intervention, and Serbia has not changed at all and can never be trusted to control Kosovo again(which it never will).
It also shows that the US and NATO erred when they agreed not to have occupation troops in Serbia!
Why do you people constantly repeat the same rubbish over and over again about China manufacturing cheap goods……”. How do you think the US climbed to the top? What by thinking democratic thoughts???? It’s called mass production and the manufacture of cheap goods, that’s how. However if it will help you and others to get off this band wagon, yes China built its economy on cheap manufacturing of goods.
Have I noticed about a slowdown in western economies you ask? I was the one who kept on saying that the so called recession was not over and another was on the way that was worse but until it was published in the media I was howled down. The slowdown commenced in Europe due to the debt crises and it affects the US greatly because the EU is its biggest trading partner and it means that the US will go even further in Depression and the unemployment will increase even more.
If this had happened 15 years ago China would have felt the full force of these recessions, but, and please pay very close attention to what I say, today China has over 350 million MIDDLE CLASS and growing by each year. In 1995 China exported 80% of all it production to the US, today it only exports 15%. Because it has a cashed up middle class.
The Chinese understand what is going on and the only reason they are helping out is that they want an orderly transition from the west to the east. That’s all. China will not disappear if the west collapses. China and a few others are the only ones with the money.
Loans to Serbia are not freebies as you call it, because if you take into account how many mouths the west has to feed and prop up there is not enough gold on this planet to do it all. The aid given is to pay off the politicians in power such as Tadic and Dacic and not one Euro is seen by the people. If I am wrong then why is Serbia in hock to the tune of 35 percent of the GDP(some say its 45%)?
For the millionth time I have never said that Serbia is anything more than a small country in Europe with a small economy, but what I have said is that it has a tremendous potential.
“Your politicians would have to change their shorts if Europe were to hand Kosovo over to Serbia, the drain of resources to try to control it would collapse Serbia in a matter of minutes. “
No not really. Belgrade places military on all exits in Kosovo and leaves only one open – to Albania. Belgrade spends nothing more than it has been spending so far and within 6 months all Albanians are back to Albania. Do you actually think that Serbia will move any industry to Kosovo to help out the Albanians? If the west has done nothing then you know what Belgrade will do. The EU will in the long run force you back, but if you see that Kosovo can survive on its own I’d be glad to hear it.
“Do you really think that should EU be unable to finance operations in Kosovo that they would still be able to funnel it through Serbia???
Not sure what you mean by this? It’s not if the EU runs out of money. Go and ask Croatia or Slovenia – their budgets are well down because the EU is not able to keep propping them up. Why is the EU so keen on making these formers republics work with Belgrade?
I was not born In Serbia and I have never lived there and its economy was destroyed by the democratic huggers in Washington. Like I told all about this current recession, there are no ifs or buts. Money rules all and the west have run out and you can work out the rest.
sadly b92 did not publish my comment sj. allow me to tell you (an alleged economist) industry doesn't mean factories, only the biggest of all dimwits would believe that it does (surprise surprise). not to worry, you can always console yourself with the mythical figure of 85% :-)
sj,
you have the gift of gab as we like to say. But your words have no substance.
Everyone knows that China's economy is built of cheap manufacturing but not manufacturing alone, they have to have a buyer for those goods. thats the part you do not understand.
The slowing of the economy was not the west it was Chinas growth rate slowing due to the recession in the west.
You really think that anyone is going to let Serbia put a choke hold on Kosovo in the middle of Europe? Maybe you have been in Malaysia or Vietnam too long, time to go back to Aus and see the family Dr.
To all internet warriors, douche bags and neanderthals get a life, do something usefull, save a kitten, have a wank... anything but talking about something that may or may not happen. Who honestly gives a rats ass about Kosovo, Serbia or Albania. Dont be so provincial, think globally.
PS Nicolle take a break, you dont have to be a b**** all the time
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