Tadić: Threats dangerous for democracy

Borise its unnatural? Why don't you ask your coalition partners the Socialists how natural it was in 2000? Oh wait you were on the other side of that weren't you? And how beautifully now the once bitter enemies DS and socialist (ironically and fake Chetnik Vuk Draskovic) are all together riding for the same team.

Well rest easy Tadicu, it seems you have avoided collapse for at least another mandate. This is because the largest opposition party is a complete joke and have handed it to you. Except for Dveri the entire political and social establishment in Serbia is a joke.

The Serbian Diaspora however has the money, know how and resources needed for a complete overhaul and revolution of Serbia and it could happen rather easily.

Daj Boze.

If we go back in time, we can see that that the Leader of the SPS, and said that he would join in a Coalition with the LDP.

This is because the URS was constantly polling at 3 %, and the DS and the SPS knew that they could not have enough Seats between them, and the URS would get no Seats unless the Election was rigged, and that left only the LDP who are the Natural Allies of the DS.

Tadic and Dacic knew that there would be a second round of Voting for the Presidency, and so Tadic knew that this demanded that the Election be rigged.

This is because if the only possible majority for the SPS was with the LDP, because the URS received no Seats, then Dacic would have to say that he would form a Coalition with the SNS and the DSS at least until the second round of Voting for the Presidency.

This is because a DS, SPS, and LDP Government could very easily cost Tadic the Presidency, because SPS Voters could not accept that, but a DS, SPS, and a URS Coalition would be much more acceptable to the SPS Voters to Vote for Tadic as President.

They say that the margin of error was plus or minus 3 %, and those Opinion Polls could have easily lied, because there is not too many who are not Bribed, Intimidated, of Quislings among much of Continental Europe, and lies and deception must always be suspected.

I wrote at B 92 that Political Paries should do their own Private Scientific Opinion Polls, and not rely on the lies and schemes of those who can be Intimidated, or Bribed.

It is my opinion that the Tadic and Dacic knew that they needed the URS as their Coalition Partner until the second round of Voting for the Presidency.

Tadic and Dacic needed to rig the Election for the URS to receive over 5 % of the Vote, and this would most probably have been Secretly planned with the URS leaving the Government to create its own Political Party.

On 14 February 2011, here on B 92, it said that Dinkic might bring down another government, and we know the story with how Dindic started the URS, and I guess we know why.

That is a classic example of we see what you do (including later to be discovered scheming acting), and we hear what you say (including later to be known lies), but what is the Real Motive Behind It?

On 10 May 2012, the leaders of the SNS present ballot papers to the Serbian Electoral Commission and to the Police, and those High Up are Paid by the Taxpayers, but employed by Tadic and Dacic and retain their Generous Salaries and Superannuation courtesy of working for the Ruling Political Parties rather than the People.

These so called Bastions of Democracy and the Rule of Law say there is nothing irregular with this, and I suppose you have to understand the Criminal Mind to know this, because crime is not irregular to a criminal.

After four days of Denying that anything is wrong, the Public Prosecutor, and not the Police of the Serbian Electoral Commission says that Votes were not stolen, and that the number of bags is now 20 that were stolen.

The Public Prosecutor says this even though the Police should say it or the Serbian Electoral Commission should say it, because he is announcing that it is the end of the matter as regards himself, the Police, and the Serbian Electoral Commission.
The People who Value Democracy think that Rigging Election, and Robbing People of their Democratic Rights and Human Rights is Unnatural and not suitable for establishment of a Democratic System.

Wise Voters have a Healthy Fear of not allowing Power to be Monopolized, but the sensible thing is to Balance the Political Landscape.

This should encourage Citizens to Vote, and to replace this Power Hungry Tadic who is beginning to sound Mentally Retarded, because History Teaches us in No Uncertain Terms, that Power Corrupts, and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely,

It is more than Obvious that the Parliamentary Election was stolen, and that is enough for the Opposition to pursue through the Courts, but we all know that Tadic was installed by Germany to be the quiet assassin of Serbian Democracy, and Many People know that Tadic and Company are Callous Enough and Brazen enough to rig the Presidential Election.

There are Many People who know that that the Society was not Educated Enough if they would believe everything that Tadic and his Cronies at the Prosecutor’s Office and other Government Institutions say, and it a Great Sign of Self Hating and Mental Retardation to believe everything Tadc and Company, and their Public Service Cronies say, because they only want to enrich themselves at the expense of the People.

Such refusal By Tadic, Dacic, and their Government Employed Cronies to be held accountable and to answer the questions, must not be undertaken in a Democratic System so as to avoid the Society from becoming prone to Gullibility by the lying and corrupt Serbian Undemocratic System.

When somebody is fighting against government to protect votes, it is normal from my point of view, to even use force to protect his votes. Government owns money, people working for government, police, army, all national security agencies and much bigger logistic to "steal" than individual protecting those votes. I don't see anything wrong in Nikolic's statement and this situation should be compared to "David and Goliath" story. I hope that Nikolic will find strength to pick up and through that stone...

Always interesting to see the view from Australia, Ari.

So, the party that got 3% of the vote are the only real Serbs and diaspora Serbs love Serbia so much, they're willing to kill Serbs.

Keep up the good fight, Ari!
(Danilo, 15 May 2012 10:19)

Dveri got more than 3% of the vote in the last elections and were cheated not to mentioned blacked out by the media both before the election and on election night. This is fact.

Who is talking about 'killing other Serbs'? Are you insane or just stupid? Was October 5th, 2000 okay in your eyes? That didn't kill anybody what makes you think another revolution in Serbia would?

Your blind support for the DS makes me wonder you are one of 2 things.

A Hrvat

or

a direct beneficiary of the tycoon-plutocracy in Serbia and therefore defend the current system as the only option.

Those are the only two types of people that support this DS led regime.

What a shame bganon has declared that s/he will go out and vote for this thief Tadic. Now I feel obliged to vote of Nikolic, even though I have no particular liking for him. Serbian politics is in the dumps and democracy is just an illusion.

The physical protection of votes after such an electoral fraud on May 6th is the only thing one can do to protect his democratic right. Serbia is ruled right now with an undemocratic party that falsely claims to be continuing the work of Zoran Djindjic.

How come Europe does not react to such an undemocratic behavior of a so-called European politician in Serbia? Is Europe truly committed to democracy and well-being of citizens, whilst looking on the other side when the politics and fraud methods of Milosevic are revitalized? I wonder how come Europe ignores the undemocratic measures and rhetoric of Boris Tadic. I sincerelly think that such behavior and ignorance will provoke a new revolution in Serbia which may have devastating effects.

Boris Tadić warned that talk about the use of physical force in the electoral process was "unnatural and not suitable for establishment of a democratic system".

But such a behavior is very natural for Nicolic! In the end, he shows his face and only makes himself a clown - which, in the end, might be even a good thing for democracy in Serbia.

Always interesting to see the view from Australia, Ari.

So, the party that got 3% of the vote are the only real Serbs and diaspora Serbs love Serbia so much, they're willing to kill Serbs.

Keep up the good fight, Ari!

I'm admittedly puzzled...

Tadic says the society was "not civilized" if the Prosecutor's Office and other government institutions are called into question.

In my opinion the society

1) is "not civilized" if you can't call these institutions into question;
2) is really in bad shape if the Prosecutor's Office is a government institution.

And if the Prosecutor's Office sees no problem in voting ballots disappearing from the hands of electoral officials (since ballots have been counted) the Prosecutor's Office is a totally unqualified institution. How the heck could the checking count - that is done in any truly democratic system - take place without the ballots? It can't be true that the election result in Serbia is made official without a second count!

I myself have been a DS supporter but now I'm standing on shaky legs. If the DS wanted to call its reputation into question it surely succeeded in it.

In any case Nikolic isn't my man. And Tadic... well, as I said, I'm losing my belief in him.

There are no democratic institutions in Serbia. There are only DS controled people who occupy the most important position in the country, including the entire justice sistem.

No surprises there Zoran. She would vote for anyone getting Soros money´s worth.

Threating that "threats" are endangering democracy is highly undemocratic.

"Always interesting to see the view from Australia, Ari.

So, the party that got 3% of the vote are the only real Serbs and diaspora Serbs love Serbia so much, they're willing to kill Serbs.

Keep up the good fight, Ari!
(Danilo"

His position is no different than the views of some terrorist groups.

And, there will be no revolution in Serbia. It will be business as usual.
The politicians are doing what they do best, i.e. blame others and do whatever it takes to stay in power.

Shucks Zoran on account of me! Let me clear that the reason why I am inclined to vote for Tadic is because I don't think that somebody who tried to steal elections by accusing others of stealing votes is fit to rule.

I'm sure Toma didn't know that his party worker was upto this trick of stealing used ballot papers, but somebody senior in SNS must have known. Pretty low, even by Serbian standards of politics.

You say that Serbian politics is in the dumps. Have you ever known a time when it wasn't? This is your problem Zoran, you have little sense of perspective and history. Look at this election in historical context. Why the hell should you be any more disappointed about Serbian democracy now than any other time? Or is it because it has delivered a result you don't like and your disappointment drives you to cease using logic?

Always interesting to see the view from Australia, Ari.

So, the party that got 3% of the vote are the only real Serbs and diaspora Serbs love Serbia so much, they're willing to kill Serbs.

Keep up the good fight, Ari!

Boris Tadić warned that talk about the use of physical force in the electoral process was "unnatural and not suitable for establishment of a democratic system".

But such a behavior is very natural for Nicolic! In the end, he shows his face and only makes himself a clown - which, in the end, might be even a good thing for democracy in Serbia.

Borise its unnatural? Why don't you ask your coalition partners the Socialists how natural it was in 2000? Oh wait you were on the other side of that weren't you? And how beautifully now the once bitter enemies DS and socialist (ironically and fake Chetnik Vuk Draskovic) are all together riding for the same team.

Well rest easy Tadicu, it seems you have avoided collapse for at least another mandate. This is because the largest opposition party is a complete joke and have handed it to you. Except for Dveri the entire political and social establishment in Serbia is a joke.

The Serbian Diaspora however has the money, know how and resources needed for a complete overhaul and revolution of Serbia and it could happen rather easily.

Daj Boze.

If we go back in time, we can see that that the Leader of the SPS, and said that he would join in a Coalition with the LDP.

This is because the URS was constantly polling at 3 %, and the DS and the SPS knew that they could not have enough Seats between them, and the URS would get no Seats unless the Election was rigged, and that left only the LDP who are the Natural Allies of the DS.

Tadic and Dacic knew that there would be a second round of Voting for the Presidency, and so Tadic knew that this demanded that the Election be rigged.

This is because if the only possible majority for the SPS was with the LDP, because the URS received no Seats, then Dacic would have to say that he would form a Coalition with the SNS and the DSS at least until the second round of Voting for the Presidency.

This is because a DS, SPS, and LDP Government could very easily cost Tadic the Presidency, because SPS Voters could not accept that, but a DS, SPS, and a URS Coalition would be much more acceptable to the SPS Voters to Vote for Tadic as President.

They say that the margin of error was plus or minus 3 %, and those Opinion Polls could have easily lied, because there is not too many who are not Bribed, Intimidated, of Quislings among much of Continental Europe, and lies and deception must always be suspected.

I wrote at B 92 that Political Paries should do their own Private Scientific Opinion Polls, and not rely on the lies and schemes of those who can be Intimidated, or Bribed.

It is my opinion that the Tadic and Dacic knew that they needed the URS as their Coalition Partner until the second round of Voting for the Presidency.

Tadic and Dacic needed to rig the Election for the URS to receive over 5 % of the Vote, and this would most probably have been Secretly planned with the URS leaving the Government to create its own Political Party.

On 14 February 2011, here on B 92, it said that Dinkic might bring down another government, and we know the story with how Dindic started the URS, and I guess we know why.

That is a classic example of we see what you do (including later to be discovered scheming acting), and we hear what you say (including later to be known lies), but what is the Real Motive Behind It?

On 10 May 2012, the leaders of the SNS present ballot papers to the Serbian Electoral Commission and to the Police, and those High Up are Paid by the Taxpayers, but employed by Tadic and Dacic and retain their Generous Salaries and Superannuation courtesy of working for the Ruling Political Parties rather than the People.

These so called Bastions of Democracy and the Rule of Law say there is nothing irregular with this, and I suppose you have to understand the Criminal Mind to know this, because crime is not irregular to a criminal.

After four days of Denying that anything is wrong, the Public Prosecutor, and not the Police of the Serbian Electoral Commission says that Votes were not stolen, and that the number of bags is now 20 that were stolen.

The Public Prosecutor says this even though the Police should say it or the Serbian Electoral Commission should say it, because he is announcing that it is the end of the matter as regards himself, the Police, and the Serbian Electoral Commission.
The People who Value Democracy think that Rigging Election, and Robbing People of their Democratic Rights and Human Rights is Unnatural and not suitable for establishment of a Democratic System.

Wise Voters have a Healthy Fear of not allowing Power to be Monopolized, but the sensible thing is to Balance the Political Landscape.

This should encourage Citizens to Vote, and to replace this Power Hungry Tadic who is beginning to sound Mentally Retarded, because History Teaches us in No Uncertain Terms, that Power Corrupts, and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely,

It is more than Obvious that the Parliamentary Election was stolen, and that is enough for the Opposition to pursue through the Courts, but we all know that Tadic was installed by Germany to be the quiet assassin of Serbian Democracy, and Many People know that Tadic and Company are Callous Enough and Brazen enough to rig the Presidential Election.

There are Many People who know that that the Society was not Educated Enough if they would believe everything that Tadic and his Cronies at the Prosecutor’s Office and other Government Institutions say, and it a Great Sign of Self Hating and Mental Retardation to believe everything Tadc and Company, and their Public Service Cronies say, because they only want to enrich themselves at the expense of the People.

Such refusal By Tadic, Dacic, and their Government Employed Cronies to be held accountable and to answer the questions, must not be undertaken in a Democratic System so as to avoid the Society from becoming prone to Gullibility by the lying and corrupt Serbian Undemocratic System.

Always interesting to see the view from Australia, Ari.

So, the party that got 3% of the vote are the only real Serbs and diaspora Serbs love Serbia so much, they're willing to kill Serbs.

Keep up the good fight, Ari!
(Danilo, 15 May 2012 10:19)

Dveri got more than 3% of the vote in the last elections and were cheated not to mentioned blacked out by the media both before the election and on election night. This is fact.

Who is talking about 'killing other Serbs'? Are you insane or just stupid? Was October 5th, 2000 okay in your eyes? That didn't kill anybody what makes you think another revolution in Serbia would?

Your blind support for the DS makes me wonder you are one of 2 things.

A Hrvat

or

a direct beneficiary of the tycoon-plutocracy in Serbia and therefore defend the current system as the only option.

Those are the only two types of people that support this DS led regime.

"Always interesting to see the view from Australia, Ari.

So, the party that got 3% of the vote are the only real Serbs and diaspora Serbs love Serbia so much, they're willing to kill Serbs.

Keep up the good fight, Ari!
(Danilo"

His position is no different than the views of some terrorist groups.

And, there will be no revolution in Serbia. It will be business as usual.
The politicians are doing what they do best, i.e. blame others and do whatever it takes to stay in power.

The physical protection of votes after such an electoral fraud on May 6th is the only thing one can do to protect his democratic right. Serbia is ruled right now with an undemocratic party that falsely claims to be continuing the work of Zoran Djindjic.

When somebody is fighting against government to protect votes, it is normal from my point of view, to even use force to protect his votes. Government owns money, people working for government, police, army, all national security agencies and much bigger logistic to "steal" than individual protecting those votes. I don't see anything wrong in Nikolic's statement and this situation should be compared to "David and Goliath" story. I hope that Nikolic will find strength to pick up and through that stone...

I'm admittedly puzzled...

Tadic says the society was "not civilized" if the Prosecutor's Office and other government institutions are called into question.

In my opinion the society

1) is "not civilized" if you can't call these institutions into question;
2) is really in bad shape if the Prosecutor's Office is a government institution.

And if the Prosecutor's Office sees no problem in voting ballots disappearing from the hands of electoral officials (since ballots have been counted) the Prosecutor's Office is a totally unqualified institution. How the heck could the checking count - that is done in any truly democratic system - take place without the ballots? It can't be true that the election result in Serbia is made official without a second count!

I myself have been a DS supporter but now I'm standing on shaky legs. If the DS wanted to call its reputation into question it surely succeeded in it.

In any case Nikolic isn't my man. And Tadic... well, as I said, I'm losing my belief in him.

What a shame bganon has declared that s/he will go out and vote for this thief Tadic. Now I feel obliged to vote of Nikolic, even though I have no particular liking for him. Serbian politics is in the dumps and democracy is just an illusion.

There are no democratic institutions in Serbia. There are only DS controled people who occupy the most important position in the country, including the entire justice sistem.

No surprises there Zoran. She would vote for anyone getting Soros money´s worth.

Threating that "threats" are endangering democracy is highly undemocratic.

How come Europe does not react to such an undemocratic behavior of a so-called European politician in Serbia? Is Europe truly committed to democracy and well-being of citizens, whilst looking on the other side when the politics and fraud methods of Milosevic are revitalized? I wonder how come Europe ignores the undemocratic measures and rhetoric of Boris Tadic. I sincerelly think that such behavior and ignorance will provoke a new revolution in Serbia which may have devastating effects.

Shucks Zoran on account of me! Let me clear that the reason why I am inclined to vote for Tadic is because I don't think that somebody who tried to steal elections by accusing others of stealing votes is fit to rule.

I'm sure Toma didn't know that his party worker was upto this trick of stealing used ballot papers, but somebody senior in SNS must have known. Pretty low, even by Serbian standards of politics.

You say that Serbian politics is in the dumps. Have you ever known a time when it wasn't? This is your problem Zoran, you have little sense of perspective and history. Look at this election in historical context. Why the hell should you be any more disappointed about Serbian democracy now than any other time? Or is it because it has delivered a result you don't like and your disappointment drives you to cease using logic?