Prosecution official: Votes were not stolen

"Prosecution official: Votes were not stolen"
B92.

Nooo of course not, why rushing out to knock that into our heads in all media, prime time?

Check.War is peace, quisling regimes is democracy and occupation is freedom. I think i´v got it. Now we can go to sleep and zzzz for another four years. I trust our dear leader, i always do. Goodnight.

According to how I read the Article, it looks like these ballot papers are not fake ballot papers, but they are genuine ballot papers.

What started off with the discovery of one stolen bags is now 20 bags, and the authorities have had enough time to change the ballots in the Polling booths to make it all add up to what the rigged result says.

There are some People who have suggested that lawyers go to University to learn how to Lie and Deceive, and does how does this Law Graduate know that the ballot papers were stolen after they were counted.

I put it to this Lawyer, that the ballots were stolen after they were seen to Vote for the Opposition, and they were never counted, only so as to know how many to replace in each Poling Booth.

I wonder if Tadic and Company will have some of those bags conveniently discovered, and they will contain surpluses for the DS and the SPS to deceive the People, because the Serbian Electoral Commission has had PLENTY of time or 4 days with around the clock work in three shifts since it became Public the to change matters.

This is why Tadic and the Serbian Electoral Commission were stalling for time, in order to make up excuses, and with these new bags of stolen Votes, the DS may even be able to say that they were robbed of Votes, because they rigged that to.

There are Many Serbian People who see this as just another example of the Hubris and Arrogance of Tadic and Dacic treated the People as if they were cattle, and if the Serbian People are Wise they will not Vote for Tadic as President, because they want someone they can Trust.

JS in a society that you are suggesting is so corrupt that all election monitors are involved in fraud and not one state employee who knows of fraud exposes then what do we have?

In that kind of society, then who do you suggest is to be trusted? A man who demands elections ahead of time threatening to kill himself through hunger strike?

No, it doesn't work the way you suggest - all government is corrupt and all state employees are corrupt and all of them support that government - however, all opponents of the government are honest. Thats is fantasy.

It really works like this - if all government and state (RIK, Police, Prosecution), non governmental organisations (CESID) employees are corrupt then Serbian society as a whole is corrupt.

Like I've mentioned before, Serbia is under occupation. The army, police and government are not working independently for Serbia's interests. The government is corrupt and democracy doesn't exist. The people know it but feel powerless because Nikolic is also a fool who is slowly committing political suicide. We don't have a proper opposition to organise a proper rally.

Nikolic won't make president simply because he killed a portion of his support when he destroyed the SRS, under US/EU instructions. The counter revolution will come when the EU/US make a mess like in Greece, as we are witnessing now but also when a proper alternative is presented by Russia and China.

It's all about timing and now is not the time. I suspect we still have a few years of waiting left, perhaps triggered by a Greek default?

I am not suggesting that all Election Monitors are corrupt, and I believe that you knew that, and you know, and you are building a straw man just to knock down in order to deceive the gullible.

I am referring to the Many trusted Card Carrying Members of DS, who work before and after the Elections and receive the ballot papers, and many of them could work from home or after hours in their Office.

When it comes to Elections, everyone who is High Up who organizes and controls the Elections is Never To Be Trusted, and foolproof methods can be made if they only want to.

It is blatantly untrue to say that the leader of the Opposition wanted to die, unless you are a min reader, and his hunger strike did not last long, and he did it because Tadic and Company were acting corruptly, and want to give away Kosovo.

Most Governments are corrupt to some extent, but only the minority of State Employees are corrupt, and there are Corrupt People who Vote for the Government, and there are Corrupt People who vote for the Opposition; especially those at the Top, because in any septic tank the solids rise to the Top, and that is no fantasy.

It really works like this - if though all Top Government and State (RIK, Police, Prosecution), employees are corrupt, then Serbian Society as a whole is Not corrupt, and you knew that all along.

I will assume that you have Voted for the DS in the past, and I will not ask if you are a Trusted Card Carrying Member of the DS, because you would never get my Vote, if you Campaigned on Honest Speech and Trust.

"As a matter of fact it is looking more like it will take a while for Kosovo to UNlearn what they had been taught by years under Serbian rule."
(think about it, 14 May 2012 17:04)

Kosovo Albanians already unlearned basic mathematics, that's why Thaci could win with 115% of the votes :)

think about it, no matter how chaotic Serbian politics and elections are, they can never match the criminality and corruption that goes on in Pristina. At least Serbs don't have 125% voter participation that Thaci claims happened in parts of Albanian inhabited KiM. Nice try at poking at Serbs though, some of you Albanci just can't help yourself.

@bganon
It really works like this - if all government and state (RIK, Police, Prosecution), non governmental organisations (CESID) employees are corrupt then Serbian society as a whole is corrupt.
(bganon, 14 May 2012 15:49)

Well said...nothing more to add to your paragraph except that you could replace "society" with "government"...Whole Government and their associates are corrupt. You know it, I know it, Serbian people knows...Elections were fraud, theft, stolen...you name it. It should be repeated at all levels.

We all know that corruption in Government is an easy thing for the Balkans, and so People sensibly want to know how to minimize it.

We have already seen many instances of Tadic acting like a Dictator, and going beyond the Constituioonal Limits, and Tadic has the dirt on Dacic, and he will control him.

Dacic is happy to be Tadic’s Puppet as long as he can be Prime Minister or Prime Puppet.

I hope People understand that most times, especially on important things, Politicians lie to the Voters at Election Time, and Dacic has already been given the Prime Ministership, but the DS and the SPS will play a game that one of them is not blackmailing, and the other will not be blackmailed.

America and Germany have decided that Dacic and the SPS are their Puppets, and all that remains is to decieve the Serbian People, especially the Serbian Voters, because otherwise Vote rigging will be necesaary in almost all of the Polling Booths.

This is because it is a two horse Race, and accurate Secret polling will be done America and Germany, and they will know how much the rig factor will be, and this will be a lot easier than the Parliamentary ballot papers.

This is why Sutanovac said that the Serbian Progressive Party was getting ready to trash ballot boxes at polling places in the second round of presidential elections across Serbia, creating chaos and making elections a farce.

It would not surprize me in the slightest if Tadic and Company will used paid infiltrators to cause trouble in order to Declare Martial Law, and confiscate the Ballot Boxes, to rig the Vote, or to use the Media to slander the SNS over the Media early in the Voting to have Voters switch from Tomislav Nikolic to Tadic over Slamderous and malicious Lies.

The Truly Wise thing to do is to have as much Political Balance as possible, because these pollitical Parties are in competetion with each other, and that will ensure the maximum level of honesty from the Politicians.

It has been discovered that the tendency of Human Nature is that power corrupts, and absolute power coorupts absolutely, and this is why the Wise Voters will not look at anything, other than to have a Balance in the Political Landscape.

Most Governments are corrupt to some extent, but only the minority of State Employees, especially those at the Top are corrupt, and work for the Political Parties in power, and for themselves, rather than for the Country.

There are People think that Tomislav Nikolic made an error of judgement in the past, but if you will only Vote for any Human who has never made an error of judgement, then you would Vote for no one, and if Electors had the same standards applied to them before being allowed to Vote, then there would be no one eligible to Vote.

That is why many Voters will concentrate on what a Person who has learnt from his mistake is, and how he can benefit the Country, in the opinion of many Voters, it would be an error of Judgement if there was a Political Monopoly, rather than Political Balance for Serbia after the Presidential Election.

It is amazing that some can say that only morons do not know that Tadic and Company are corrupt, and then say it is easy to speculate about conspiracies, but it is no speculation, because you even thought it was necessary to say it again for the sake of some readers who may be intellectually challenged.

The Opposition is much better than the Government, because Tadic has had 10 years to be corrupt, and he wants another 5 years; whereas, Balance in the Political Landscape will be much netter for Serbia.

I think you are nitpicking with semantics, because you just love those straw men, because you think that we all all gullible.

It is a fact that Tomislav Nikolic did go on a hunger strike, but that was he felt that he needed to draw attention to the fact that Tadic and Company were going to give away Kosovo, and he wanted the Government to go to an Election on that, and I am sure there was more than just one reason for Tomislav Nikolic to want an Election.

The Fact that you say they are all the same, but will only Vote for Tadic and Company, suggests that you are Card Carrying Member of the DS, and that is you right, but it also proves that your advice is biased and therefore unwise.

I really do not like replying to others, but I thought I needed to correct your deceptive, biased, and deliberate misrepresntations of what I said, and I do not wish to dignify such an attitude by further replying to it.

Stevan you are not drawing the correct conclusions. If Serbian society is completely corrupt that includes the people and the opposition.

You can't choose for society to mean government, now if Serbian society is corrupt as you say then we also can't trust SNS claims of fraud any more than we can trust the government and its institutions denial.

I personally don't believe that Serbian society is completely corrupt, although certain sections of society are much worse than others. The political class, with only a handful of individual exceptions, are corrupt.

Zoran you have said that Serbia is under occupation before and I have asked you which other countries you consider to be under occupation. Please answer the question, I'm sure you have the same standard for definition of 'occupation' for Serbia as you do for all countries. Also could you tell me when did the 'occupation' of Serbia began?

JS yes, its easy to speculate about conspiracies isn't it?

You are right it is blatantly untrue for you to imply that I said that Nikolic wanted to die. I said threatened to kill himself, that is exactly what a hunger strike is. And for you to make up excuses is rather pathetic. We all know the reason for the hunger strike - it was to demand elections, this tactic did not succeed.

Ironic that you criticised me for honest speech bearing in mind you were not honest about both what I said and the reasons for the hunger strike.

But if I'm not clear enough for you I'll say it again - Serbia's political class is corrupt. Only political morons think that only the government is corrupt, the opposition is no better.

(wtf, 14 May 2012 20:14)

Best comment so far. That was bang on.

@bganon
Now, you misunderstood my comment. I didn't mention anything about Serbian society...my comment was addressed to Serbian Government. All, and i mean all, w/o exception, not as you said few exceptions, are corrupt. I still think that elections were stolen because it is reasonable to do that. Especially since current regime in Serbia is supported by western governments. Now, why do I think that stealing votes is something normal for government to do? Let me ask you i hypothetical question...If you were the President of Serbia with closest followers in "high places" and somebody threatened to disclose all "little projects" to media after he/she came into power. What would you do? Steal votes so he can not replace you and reveal everything that you and your men did...It is completely normal for you to steal votes...Let's face it, everybody would do that. So...votes are stolen, I know it, you know it and everybody in whole wide world knows that, but nobody will do something about it since DS candidate is west world Favorited candidate. He does what they told him to do and that's it. Serbia with Tadic as new President will be nothing more than Colony. I want something in Serbia to be changed and Nikolic is the light at the end of the tunnel.

Whether election fraud or an attempt to make it look like election fraud does not matter. Serbs have no right to throw comments at the election process in any other country including Kosovo.
As a matter of fact it is looking more like it will take a while for Kosovo to UNlearn what they had been taught by years under Serbian rule.

"The counter revolution will come when the EU/US make a mess like in Greece, as we are witnessing now but also when a proper alternative is presented by Russia and China. "
(Zoran, 14 May 2012 17:46)

An alternative by Russia and China? And this you call a counter revolution? Funny. It's can be nothing else than 'back to communism/centralism/despotism/dictatorship of the state party'

But well, in these societies, you don't have to discuss about 'stolen votes'.

Steven Nikolic isn't change, he is more of the same. He has been on the political scene for decades. Financial backers of SNS are the same businessmen that backed DS - the man in charge of election strategy at SNS is the same man who ran DS election campaign.

Not that I think that the current government is any better, but my problem is that I don't believe that Nikolic would do a better job. In other words when you have two things that are the same, you accept the original, rather than the copy.

"No, it doesn't work the way you suggest - all government is corrupt and all state employees are corrupt and all of them support that government - however, all opponents of the government are honest. Thats is fantasy."
(bganon, 14 May 2012 15:49)

Fantasy? No, that's the base of every conspiracy theory :)

think about it, no matter how chaotic Serbian politics and elections are, they can never match the criminality and corruption that goes on in Pristina. At least Serbs don't have 125% voter participation that Thaci claims happened in parts of Albanian inhabited KiM. Nice try at poking at Serbs though, some of you Albanci just can't help yourself.
(Ecoman, 14 May 2012 18:29)
Not Albanian and from where I stand I see absolutely no difference in the politics legal and illegal between Kosovo and Serbia. The one big difference is the denial of Serbs that they are no different than the Albanians, you will never lose that smug superiority complex.

If you compare the statements of the current government and the statements of the government under Milosevics rule, you would notice very little difference. Along with SPS, the 90's have returned to Serbia. Dictatorship all over again...

@bganon

I completely understand your fear of change. Let me tell you something...don't be afraid, unless you are somehow connected with current Serbian Government in their, so called "little projects"...If you are, then you have every reason to be afraid and to defend them. Whether in writing these comments or actively participate in Tadic's campaign. Like I said before...change in Serbia leadership is inevitable...With Nikolic as President or in near future...That's how democracy works. You can not expect to be leader of one State for so long. Era of lifelong presidency is long gone. Do you think that Tadic will be in power as long as Fidel Castro in Cuba? I don't...But with change all criminal acts and misuse of political positions will be revealed and those people involved should be imprisoned and their assets confiscated. That's why people of Serbia should give their vote for opposition leader, Mr. Nikolic.

Hmmm ??? -

Why would somebody steal Ballot votes after they where counted ???.

Strange !?.

Arn.Sweden.

JS so long as you have your dignity, never mind if you make some things up to fit into some rather strange conspiracy theories you have!

We all know that Nikolic went on hunger (and thirst!!!) strike and his condition to cease that was elections. Stop trying to say it had something to do with Kosovo. Only fools believe such nonsense, in one minute you say that politicians are lying to us, in the next you create some story about how the politician Nikolic was hunger striking out of a love for Kosovo. You sound confused.

An error of judgement for poor Toma! That same Toma who according to many is now on the western payroll and at the very least sold his soul to them only to be sold out. That same Toma who called Tadic ustasa, that same Toma who before Djindjic was assasinated told openly that Tito too had a bad leg before he did - as Djindjic did owing to his skiing accident some weeks before his murder. I weep for poor Toma's errors of judgement!

And now it looks as if poor Toma after all tried to steal the second round of the presidential election by using stolen voting papers stolen by a SNS party activist. Stealing voting papers after whether they have already been counted or not is a criminal offence that carries a jail sentence of 3 years. But poor Toma, he wasn't to know - party officials that new this made sure not to tell him.

I'll tell you this much I didn't vote for DS or Tadic in the election so along with your other mistakes you can add that as well. And I'll tell you something else in case you think I would be ashamed to admit I did vote for DS. I WILL vote for Tadic now. I wasn't even going to vote in the second round, but I will not allow these kinds of dirty tactics by SNS to pass.

Having said all that I will wait to see if anything else comes to light. If it turns out that there was fraud by DS then I will not vote.

Well, according to SNS Presidency member Bratislav Gašić, 106% voted at a polling station in Kruševac.
(icj1, 15 May 2012 05:36)

Not bad. If out of these 106%, 115% would have voted for SNS, then this town could compete with the home town of Thaci's clan :)

The counter revolution will come when the EU/US make a mess like in Greece, as we are witnessing now but also when a proper alternative is presented by Russia and China.
(Zoran, 14 May 2012 17:46)

Sure, tell the Greeks to wait for the Russian and Chinese alternative LOL

think about it, no matter how chaotic Serbian politics and elections are, they can never match the criminality and corruption that goes on in Pristina. At least Serbs don't have 125% voter participation that Thaci claims happened in parts of Albanian inhabited KiM. Nice try at poking at Serbs though, some of you Albanci just can't help yourself.
(Ecoman, 14 May 2012 18:29)

Well, according to SNS Presidency member Bratislav Gašić, 106% voted at a polling station in Kruševac.
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=05&dd=13&nav_id=80230

The counter revolution will come when the EU/US make a mess like in Greece, as we are witnessing now but also when a proper alternative is presented by Russia and China.
(Zoran, 14 May 2012 17:46)
And which alternatives is that, the one where Russia will buy 51% interest in your assets at the price of 10% of the value, or where China will loan you money to pay back in interest only if you use it to pay Chinese companies to do work?

Not bad. If out of these 106%, 115% would have voted for SNS, then this town could compete with the home town of Thaci's clan :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 15 May 2012 10:04)

It appears the polling station as a whole is competing with Thaci, regardless of party preferences :)

Stevan you are not drawing the correct conclusions. If Serbian society is completely corrupt that includes the people and the opposition.

You can't choose for society to mean government, now if Serbian society is corrupt as you say then we also can't trust SNS claims of fraud any more than we can trust the government and its institutions denial.

I personally don't believe that Serbian society is completely corrupt, although certain sections of society are much worse than others. The political class, with only a handful of individual exceptions, are corrupt.

Zoran you have said that Serbia is under occupation before and I have asked you which other countries you consider to be under occupation. Please answer the question, I'm sure you have the same standard for definition of 'occupation' for Serbia as you do for all countries. Also could you tell me when did the 'occupation' of Serbia began?

JS yes, its easy to speculate about conspiracies isn't it?

You are right it is blatantly untrue for you to imply that I said that Nikolic wanted to die. I said threatened to kill himself, that is exactly what a hunger strike is. And for you to make up excuses is rather pathetic. We all know the reason for the hunger strike - it was to demand elections, this tactic did not succeed.

Ironic that you criticised me for honest speech bearing in mind you were not honest about both what I said and the reasons for the hunger strike.

But if I'm not clear enough for you I'll say it again - Serbia's political class is corrupt. Only political morons think that only the government is corrupt, the opposition is no better.

According to how I read the Article, it looks like these ballot papers are not fake ballot papers, but they are genuine ballot papers.

What started off with the discovery of one stolen bags is now 20 bags, and the authorities have had enough time to change the ballots in the Polling booths to make it all add up to what the rigged result says.

There are some People who have suggested that lawyers go to University to learn how to Lie and Deceive, and does how does this Law Graduate know that the ballot papers were stolen after they were counted.

I put it to this Lawyer, that the ballots were stolen after they were seen to Vote for the Opposition, and they were never counted, only so as to know how many to replace in each Poling Booth.

I wonder if Tadic and Company will have some of those bags conveniently discovered, and they will contain surpluses for the DS and the SPS to deceive the People, because the Serbian Electoral Commission has had PLENTY of time or 4 days with around the clock work in three shifts since it became Public the to change matters.

This is why Tadic and the Serbian Electoral Commission were stalling for time, in order to make up excuses, and with these new bags of stolen Votes, the DS may even be able to say that they were robbed of Votes, because they rigged that to.

There are Many Serbian People who see this as just another example of the Hubris and Arrogance of Tadic and Dacic treated the People as if they were cattle, and if the Serbian People are Wise they will not Vote for Tadic as President, because they want someone they can Trust.

JS in a society that you are suggesting is so corrupt that all election monitors are involved in fraud and not one state employee who knows of fraud exposes then what do we have?

In that kind of society, then who do you suggest is to be trusted? A man who demands elections ahead of time threatening to kill himself through hunger strike?

No, it doesn't work the way you suggest - all government is corrupt and all state employees are corrupt and all of them support that government - however, all opponents of the government are honest. Thats is fantasy.

It really works like this - if all government and state (RIK, Police, Prosecution), non governmental organisations (CESID) employees are corrupt then Serbian society as a whole is corrupt.

Whether election fraud or an attempt to make it look like election fraud does not matter. Serbs have no right to throw comments at the election process in any other country including Kosovo.
As a matter of fact it is looking more like it will take a while for Kosovo to UNlearn what they had been taught by years under Serbian rule.

@bganon
It really works like this - if all government and state (RIK, Police, Prosecution), non governmental organisations (CESID) employees are corrupt then Serbian society as a whole is corrupt.
(bganon, 14 May 2012 15:49)

Well said...nothing more to add to your paragraph except that you could replace "society" with "government"...Whole Government and their associates are corrupt. You know it, I know it, Serbian people knows...Elections were fraud, theft, stolen...you name it. It should be repeated at all levels.

Like I've mentioned before, Serbia is under occupation. The army, police and government are not working independently for Serbia's interests. The government is corrupt and democracy doesn't exist. The people know it but feel powerless because Nikolic is also a fool who is slowly committing political suicide. We don't have a proper opposition to organise a proper rally.

Nikolic won't make president simply because he killed a portion of his support when he destroyed the SRS, under US/EU instructions. The counter revolution will come when the EU/US make a mess like in Greece, as we are witnessing now but also when a proper alternative is presented by Russia and China.

It's all about timing and now is not the time. I suspect we still have a few years of waiting left, perhaps triggered by a Greek default?

We all know that corruption in Government is an easy thing for the Balkans, and so People sensibly want to know how to minimize it.

We have already seen many instances of Tadic acting like a Dictator, and going beyond the Constituioonal Limits, and Tadic has the dirt on Dacic, and he will control him.

Dacic is happy to be Tadic’s Puppet as long as he can be Prime Minister or Prime Puppet.

I hope People understand that most times, especially on important things, Politicians lie to the Voters at Election Time, and Dacic has already been given the Prime Ministership, but the DS and the SPS will play a game that one of them is not blackmailing, and the other will not be blackmailed.

America and Germany have decided that Dacic and the SPS are their Puppets, and all that remains is to decieve the Serbian People, especially the Serbian Voters, because otherwise Vote rigging will be necesaary in almost all of the Polling Booths.

This is because it is a two horse Race, and accurate Secret polling will be done America and Germany, and they will know how much the rig factor will be, and this will be a lot easier than the Parliamentary ballot papers.

This is why Sutanovac said that the Serbian Progressive Party was getting ready to trash ballot boxes at polling places in the second round of presidential elections across Serbia, creating chaos and making elections a farce.

It would not surprize me in the slightest if Tadic and Company will used paid infiltrators to cause trouble in order to Declare Martial Law, and confiscate the Ballot Boxes, to rig the Vote, or to use the Media to slander the SNS over the Media early in the Voting to have Voters switch from Tomislav Nikolic to Tadic over Slamderous and malicious Lies.

The Truly Wise thing to do is to have as much Political Balance as possible, because these pollitical Parties are in competetion with each other, and that will ensure the maximum level of honesty from the Politicians.

It has been discovered that the tendency of Human Nature is that power corrupts, and absolute power coorupts absolutely, and this is why the Wise Voters will not look at anything, other than to have a Balance in the Political Landscape.

Most Governments are corrupt to some extent, but only the minority of State Employees, especially those at the Top are corrupt, and work for the Political Parties in power, and for themselves, rather than for the Country.

There are People think that Tomislav Nikolic made an error of judgement in the past, but if you will only Vote for any Human who has never made an error of judgement, then you would Vote for no one, and if Electors had the same standards applied to them before being allowed to Vote, then there would be no one eligible to Vote.

That is why many Voters will concentrate on what a Person who has learnt from his mistake is, and how he can benefit the Country, in the opinion of many Voters, it would be an error of Judgement if there was a Political Monopoly, rather than Political Balance for Serbia after the Presidential Election.

It is amazing that some can say that only morons do not know that Tadic and Company are corrupt, and then say it is easy to speculate about conspiracies, but it is no speculation, because you even thought it was necessary to say it again for the sake of some readers who may be intellectually challenged.

The Opposition is much better than the Government, because Tadic has had 10 years to be corrupt, and he wants another 5 years; whereas, Balance in the Political Landscape will be much netter for Serbia.

I think you are nitpicking with semantics, because you just love those straw men, because you think that we all all gullible.

It is a fact that Tomislav Nikolic did go on a hunger strike, but that was he felt that he needed to draw attention to the fact that Tadic and Company were going to give away Kosovo, and he wanted the Government to go to an Election on that, and I am sure there was more than just one reason for Tomislav Nikolic to want an Election.

The Fact that you say they are all the same, but will only Vote for Tadic and Company, suggests that you are Card Carrying Member of the DS, and that is you right, but it also proves that your advice is biased and therefore unwise.

I really do not like replying to others, but I thought I needed to correct your deceptive, biased, and deliberate misrepresntations of what I said, and I do not wish to dignify such an attitude by further replying to it.

JS so long as you have your dignity, never mind if you make some things up to fit into some rather strange conspiracy theories you have!

We all know that Nikolic went on hunger (and thirst!!!) strike and his condition to cease that was elections. Stop trying to say it had something to do with Kosovo. Only fools believe such nonsense, in one minute you say that politicians are lying to us, in the next you create some story about how the politician Nikolic was hunger striking out of a love for Kosovo. You sound confused.

An error of judgement for poor Toma! That same Toma who according to many is now on the western payroll and at the very least sold his soul to them only to be sold out. That same Toma who called Tadic ustasa, that same Toma who before Djindjic was assasinated told openly that Tito too had a bad leg before he did - as Djindjic did owing to his skiing accident some weeks before his murder. I weep for poor Toma's errors of judgement!

And now it looks as if poor Toma after all tried to steal the second round of the presidential election by using stolen voting papers stolen by a SNS party activist. Stealing voting papers after whether they have already been counted or not is a criminal offence that carries a jail sentence of 3 years. But poor Toma, he wasn't to know - party officials that new this made sure not to tell him.

I'll tell you this much I didn't vote for DS or Tadic in the election so along with your other mistakes you can add that as well. And I'll tell you something else in case you think I would be ashamed to admit I did vote for DS. I WILL vote for Tadic now. I wasn't even going to vote in the second round, but I will not allow these kinds of dirty tactics by SNS to pass.

Having said all that I will wait to see if anything else comes to light. If it turns out that there was fraud by DS then I will not vote.

"As a matter of fact it is looking more like it will take a while for Kosovo to UNlearn what they had been taught by years under Serbian rule."
(think about it, 14 May 2012 17:04)

Kosovo Albanians already unlearned basic mathematics, that's why Thaci could win with 115% of the votes :)

I am not suggesting that all Election Monitors are corrupt, and I believe that you knew that, and you know, and you are building a straw man just to knock down in order to deceive the gullible.

I am referring to the Many trusted Card Carrying Members of DS, who work before and after the Elections and receive the ballot papers, and many of them could work from home or after hours in their Office.

When it comes to Elections, everyone who is High Up who organizes and controls the Elections is Never To Be Trusted, and foolproof methods can be made if they only want to.

It is blatantly untrue to say that the leader of the Opposition wanted to die, unless you are a min reader, and his hunger strike did not last long, and he did it because Tadic and Company were acting corruptly, and want to give away Kosovo.

Most Governments are corrupt to some extent, but only the minority of State Employees are corrupt, and there are Corrupt People who Vote for the Government, and there are Corrupt People who vote for the Opposition; especially those at the Top, because in any septic tank the solids rise to the Top, and that is no fantasy.

It really works like this - if though all Top Government and State (RIK, Police, Prosecution), employees are corrupt, then Serbian Society as a whole is Not corrupt, and you knew that all along.

I will assume that you have Voted for the DS in the past, and I will not ask if you are a Trusted Card Carrying Member of the DS, because you would never get my Vote, if you Campaigned on Honest Speech and Trust.

think about it, no matter how chaotic Serbian politics and elections are, they can never match the criminality and corruption that goes on in Pristina. At least Serbs don't have 125% voter participation that Thaci claims happened in parts of Albanian inhabited KiM. Nice try at poking at Serbs though, some of you Albanci just can't help yourself.

"Prosecution official: Votes were not stolen"
B92.

Nooo of course not, why rushing out to knock that into our heads in all media, prime time?

Check.War is peace, quisling regimes is democracy and occupation is freedom. I think i´v got it. Now we can go to sleep and zzzz for another four years. I trust our dear leader, i always do. Goodnight.

Steven Nikolic isn't change, he is more of the same. He has been on the political scene for decades. Financial backers of SNS are the same businessmen that backed DS - the man in charge of election strategy at SNS is the same man who ran DS election campaign.

Not that I think that the current government is any better, but my problem is that I don't believe that Nikolic would do a better job. In other words when you have two things that are the same, you accept the original, rather than the copy.

"No, it doesn't work the way you suggest - all government is corrupt and all state employees are corrupt and all of them support that government - however, all opponents of the government are honest. Thats is fantasy."
(bganon, 14 May 2012 15:49)

Fantasy? No, that's the base of every conspiracy theory :)

(wtf, 14 May 2012 20:14)

Best comment so far. That was bang on.

Hmmm ??? -

Why would somebody steal Ballot votes after they where counted ???.

Strange !?.

Arn.Sweden.

think about it, no matter how chaotic Serbian politics and elections are, they can never match the criminality and corruption that goes on in Pristina. At least Serbs don't have 125% voter participation that Thaci claims happened in parts of Albanian inhabited KiM. Nice try at poking at Serbs though, some of you Albanci just can't help yourself.
(Ecoman, 14 May 2012 18:29)
Not Albanian and from where I stand I see absolutely no difference in the politics legal and illegal between Kosovo and Serbia. The one big difference is the denial of Serbs that they are no different than the Albanians, you will never lose that smug superiority complex.

"The counter revolution will come when the EU/US make a mess like in Greece, as we are witnessing now but also when a proper alternative is presented by Russia and China. "
(Zoran, 14 May 2012 17:46)

An alternative by Russia and China? And this you call a counter revolution? Funny. It's can be nothing else than 'back to communism/centralism/despotism/dictatorship of the state party'

But well, in these societies, you don't have to discuss about 'stolen votes'.

If you compare the statements of the current government and the statements of the government under Milosevics rule, you would notice very little difference. Along with SPS, the 90's have returned to Serbia. Dictatorship all over again...

The counter revolution will come when the EU/US make a mess like in Greece, as we are witnessing now but also when a proper alternative is presented by Russia and China.
(Zoran, 14 May 2012 17:46)

Sure, tell the Greeks to wait for the Russian and Chinese alternative LOL

think about it, no matter how chaotic Serbian politics and elections are, they can never match the criminality and corruption that goes on in Pristina. At least Serbs don't have 125% voter participation that Thaci claims happened in parts of Albanian inhabited KiM. Nice try at poking at Serbs though, some of you Albanci just can't help yourself.
(Ecoman, 14 May 2012 18:29)

Well, according to SNS Presidency member Bratislav Gašić, 106% voted at a polling station in Kruševac.
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=05&dd=13&nav_id=80230

Well, according to SNS Presidency member Bratislav Gašić, 106% voted at a polling station in Kruševac.
(icj1, 15 May 2012 05:36)

Not bad. If out of these 106%, 115% would have voted for SNS, then this town could compete with the home town of Thaci's clan :)

The counter revolution will come when the EU/US make a mess like in Greece, as we are witnessing now but also when a proper alternative is presented by Russia and China.
(Zoran, 14 May 2012 17:46)
And which alternatives is that, the one where Russia will buy 51% interest in your assets at the price of 10% of the value, or where China will loan you money to pay back in interest only if you use it to pay Chinese companies to do work?

Not bad. If out of these 106%, 115% would have voted for SNS, then this town could compete with the home town of Thaci's clan :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 15 May 2012 10:04)

It appears the polling station as a whole is competing with Thaci, regardless of party preferences :)

@bganon

I completely understand your fear of change. Let me tell you something...don't be afraid, unless you are somehow connected with current Serbian Government in their, so called "little projects"...If you are, then you have every reason to be afraid and to defend them. Whether in writing these comments or actively participate in Tadic's campaign. Like I said before...change in Serbia leadership is inevitable...With Nikolic as President or in near future...That's how democracy works. You can not expect to be leader of one State for so long. Era of lifelong presidency is long gone. Do you think that Tadic will be in power as long as Fidel Castro in Cuba? I don't...But with change all criminal acts and misuse of political positions will be revealed and those people involved should be imprisoned and their assets confiscated. That's why people of Serbia should give their vote for opposition leader, Mr. Nikolic.

@bganon
Now, you misunderstood my comment. I didn't mention anything about Serbian society...my comment was addressed to Serbian Government. All, and i mean all, w/o exception, not as you said few exceptions, are corrupt. I still think that elections were stolen because it is reasonable to do that. Especially since current regime in Serbia is supported by western governments. Now, why do I think that stealing votes is something normal for government to do? Let me ask you i hypothetical question...If you were the President of Serbia with closest followers in "high places" and somebody threatened to disclose all "little projects" to media after he/she came into power. What would you do? Steal votes so he can not replace you and reveal everything that you and your men did...It is completely normal for you to steal votes...Let's face it, everybody would do that. So...votes are stolen, I know it, you know it and everybody in whole wide world knows that, but nobody will do something about it since DS candidate is west world Favorited candidate. He does what they told him to do and that's it. Serbia with Tadic as new President will be nothing more than Colony. I want something in Serbia to be changed and Nikolic is the light at the end of the tunnel.