DS accuses rivals of "planning to create chaos"

This statement said by Mr. Sutanovas reminds me on same statement said by Ms. Mirjana Markovic, wife of ex-Serbian President Mr. Slobodan Milosevic. If you can dig archive you can translate and you'll see...Nothing's changed in media blackout except players...

We know of the two-day conference on integration and contribution of Southeast European states to a common security and defence policy of the European Union, and that is code for Serbian joining NATO, even if Tadic and Dragan NATO Sutanovac and Company will accuse a Democratic Right to Peaceful Protest as causing instability, so that they can Impose Martial Law and Join NATO and give away Kosovo.

The People who Value Democracy can appreciate that all allegations of Election Fraud should be properly investigated by the Serbian Electoral Commission, because that is what the Electoral Law says.

It is therefore, a matter of Law and of following Democratic Principles, especially after Criminal Charges have been filed against the perpetrators of the recently rigged Elections.

There is the evidence of the ballot papers, and there is Video evidence of Election Fraud.

With any large scale Fraud, there is always the high probability of things going wrong, and so the evidence that has already come to hand is just the tip of the iceberg.

If a Bank were to find some of its real Money stolen and thrown into a dumpster, then it would investigate the matter, or if a Government, found fake Bank Notes, then it would want to investigate the matter.

The Serbian Government and the Serbian Electoral Commission has done neither of these things with regards to the ballot papers given to the Police, and this proves their Corruption.

If the ballot papers are real, the matter must be investigated, and if the ballot papers are fake, then it must be investigated.

The Government, and those in the Serbian Electoral Commission who receive good salaries and await their generous superannuation have up till now swept this under the carpet.

We will see what the Dacic paid Chief Police Officers who receive good salaries and await their generous superannuation, will sat concerning this, and we should also watch how the Media handles this matter of proven corruption.

America and Germany may allow an Investigation, but only after the Serbian Voters know that their Puppets the DS and the SPS can no longer conceal their corruption with slick America State Department words.

It would not surprise me to discover that the Tadic and Company deliberately allowed some of ballot papers to be discovered by the SNS, because they knew that demonstration would follow, and the CIA and Dacic could place paid agitators in the crowds to discredit the Opposition.

We know that Tadic and Company want to give away Kosovo, and if they can impose Martial Law, because of infiltrating and corrupting the Peaceful Requests to have a Government that is not corrupt like the Tadic and Dacic Government, and for the Law to be obeyed to give back the Democracy that has been stolen by the Quislings and Fifth Colonists.

Regardless of what those ballot papers are, or who stole them and who dumped them, the UNDELIABLE Facts are that Tadic and Dacic have acted corruptly regarding this matter, because they are corrupt, and they care only about themselves and their power lusts, and as for Democracy, they never were Democratic, and the longer they stay in power, the more ruthless, brazen, and corrupt they will become, because that is the American and German way.

To say that there is nothing irregular about all of this, is to blatantly lie and to insult the intelligence of the Serbian People.

We have seen how the Serbian Electoral Commission has allowed some repeat elections, but only for Local Councils, and only for show to deceive the People that they are honest in order to hope that it will cover up the UNDENIABLE Corruption of Tadic and Dacic, and Company.

Šutanovac also noted that the SNS received the most votes in jails, where the citizens currently serving prison time cast their ballots, and added that "crime won't win in Serbia if Boris Tadić comes to power".

My god, now the DS joins the SNS in bringing down the level of civilized discussions and behavior.

For sure the electoral system of Serbia is open to fraud, otherwise there would be no grounds for the recent allegations by the SNS of ballot theft.
However it baffles me to think that if this alleged crime did take place, why then..
* Did they, who allegedly committed this act, go to such lengths of planning and execution, leave the bag 'to be found' in such a conspicuous place?
* Was it coincidence or a mere fluke that a SNS member found the 'evidence'
* Were there only 1 or 2 bags, with a handful of ballots that really do not make any difference to the final outcome of the elections, and why not more?
* Are there no safeguards in place to prevent ballot theft from happening at all? Are these bags not coded so that their origin can be traced?
There are simply too many questions, such as the above, that the police will ask when conducting their investigation. But will the SNS claim, after this investigation proves to be inconclusive as it will, that the police are corrupt or incompetent because the findings were not going their way or will they concede?
After all the SNS have already claimed RIK to be incompetent because this institution did not find any evidence conclusive in their favour.
I can only conclude that this whole affair has been a carefully orchestrated theatrical farce with the purpose of either forcing fresh elections, where the SNS hopes the tide will turn in their favour or to turn the nation into divided fronts which could lead to something worse.
I should further conclude the electoral system gets a complete overhaul, because it is obvious that there are too many holes in its construction that sooner or later we'll see a repeat of this situation again.

What the hell are you talking about, Ben? The story is about alleged election fraud, nothing to do with Russia. Put your obsessions away for a minute, and concentrate on the story at hand. Anyway, I agree with Comm Parrisson: Šutanovac also noted that the SNS received the most votes in jails, where the citizens currently serving prison time cast their ballots, and added that "crime won't win in Serbia if Boris Tadić comes to power". My god, now the DS joins the SNS in bringing down the level of civilized discussions and behavior.
Falling to the "Clown Prince of Serbian politics'" level, Nikolic, is an embarrassment for the DS. I am still laughing and shaking my head from the hunger strike. But I guess that politicians just can't help themselves in mud slinging against one another. It happens everywhere, even in the bastion of democracy, the USA. In fact, DC may be the worst in that regard.

Political prostitutes and sham elections, welcome to totalitarian Serbia.

LOL T - Kosovo 1998+ = Holocaust for you!

Do you say that as a jew (I am btw) or as someone who can't argue his way out of a wet paper bag? How dare you take the Holocaust in vain. Does it make you feel better? You have no shame, just a big mouth.

The Helsinki Final Act of 1975 clearly states that territorial division is not allowed except with the agreement of both sides.

Autonomous units within ex-Yug have no right to secede at all.

The ICJ only ruled that it was not illegal to make the declaration.

The rest is opinion.

I want to see Serbs fight.

"It may not have occurred to you that in those days both Kosovo and Voijvodina enjoyed the same rights as Croatia and the other republics. Kosovo became an administrative region in 1946, as the Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija. "
(T, 14 May 2012 12:54)

Indeed, so far, it has not occurred to me that autonomous provinces/regions (within a state) enjoyed the same rights as constituent states of a federal republic.

That is just a little gift from your big bro and menotr: Russia. If you don't obey your big brother he punishes you. Price to pay. Russians behaved as being greater Serbs than Serbia itself and now they feel being dumped by Serbia. SO the mad bear is going out of control.

@ Yet Another J S,
Nobody can choose to give Kosovo away. Did anyone give away the other break-away republics of Ex-Yugoslavia? No. These republics choose their own path which was their right under the federal constitution of Tito's Yugoslavia. It may not have occurred to you that in those days both Kosovo and Voijvodina enjoyed the same rights as Croatia and the other republics. Kosovo became an administrative region in 1946, as the Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija.
For this reason, if the majority of Kosovo decides to go it alone, as they have, then this is their right.
Quote:On 22 July 2010, the ICJ ruled that Kosovo's declaration of independence did not violate international law, which its president said contains no "prohibitions on declarations of independence"
on an other note; If Milosevic had handled the uprising of the Albanian population in Kosovo with a little more tact, instead of pursuing their decimation, then maybe today there would be no talk or insistence of independence.
Quote: Serbian abuses invalidate their sovereignty over Kosovo. Serbia performed numerous atrocities against the Kosovars in the war there in 1998 and 1999. This, and the recent denials of these atrocities, leads to the conclusion that the Serbians have foregone their any sovereign right over Kosovo. Whenever a government acts tyrannically towards a group of its people, its sovereignty over that people is put into question, and this is no exception.
And there you have it. I rest my case.

'Decimation'? T? Decimation = the killing of one in ten or more commonly the killing of any proportion of a group. Have you got some death camps for us too? Some secret evidence the ICTY didn't use (Operation HorseSh*t for example?). I would be embarrassed for you if I gave a damn but I'll leave you to parrot old BS and makes stuff up till you turn blue.

@ Pretty Polly
What exactly did you think Milosevic was doing in Kosovo in 98 and 99, Holding a tea party and shaking hands with the Albanian population? The facts speak for themselves. There are some who claim the Nazi holocaust didn't happen either. I guess you're probably one of them.

Doesn't SNS have someone better than a Mladic admirer to put in front of the DS for a tv talk show?

"There are some who claim the Nazi holocaust didn't happen either. I guess you're probably one of them."
(T, 14 May 2012 16:08)

No! Serbs usually only claim the Srebrenica massacre/genocide didn't happen. The people who deny the Nazi holocaust live a bit more in the south (outside of Europe).

The Helsinki Final Act of 1975 clearly states that territorial division is not allowed except with the agreement of both sides.

Autonomous units within ex-Yug have no right to secede at all.

The ICJ only ruled that it was not illegal to make the declaration.

The rest is opinion.
(Basics, 14 May 2012 19:41)

So when USA made Deceleration of Independence from UK they just the Deceleration was legal the rest was opinion? So if a population of a region gets abused for decades then they have to just live with it :0 ) oh chief good luck with that.

People of Kosovo do not want to live under Serbia deal with it.

That is just a little gift from your big bro and menotr: Russia. If you don't obey your big brother he punishes you. Price to pay. Russians behaved as being greater Serbs than Serbia itself and now they feel being dumped by Serbia. SO the mad bear is going out of control.

For sure the electoral system of Serbia is open to fraud, otherwise there would be no grounds for the recent allegations by the SNS of ballot theft.
However it baffles me to think that if this alleged crime did take place, why then..
* Did they, who allegedly committed this act, go to such lengths of planning and execution, leave the bag 'to be found' in such a conspicuous place?
* Was it coincidence or a mere fluke that a SNS member found the 'evidence'
* Were there only 1 or 2 bags, with a handful of ballots that really do not make any difference to the final outcome of the elections, and why not more?
* Are there no safeguards in place to prevent ballot theft from happening at all? Are these bags not coded so that their origin can be traced?
There are simply too many questions, such as the above, that the police will ask when conducting their investigation. But will the SNS claim, after this investigation proves to be inconclusive as it will, that the police are corrupt or incompetent because the findings were not going their way or will they concede?
After all the SNS have already claimed RIK to be incompetent because this institution did not find any evidence conclusive in their favour.
I can only conclude that this whole affair has been a carefully orchestrated theatrical farce with the purpose of either forcing fresh elections, where the SNS hopes the tide will turn in their favour or to turn the nation into divided fronts which could lead to something worse.
I should further conclude the electoral system gets a complete overhaul, because it is obvious that there are too many holes in its construction that sooner or later we'll see a repeat of this situation again.

We know of the two-day conference on integration and contribution of Southeast European states to a common security and defence policy of the European Union, and that is code for Serbian joining NATO, even if Tadic and Dragan NATO Sutanovac and Company will accuse a Democratic Right to Peaceful Protest as causing instability, so that they can Impose Martial Law and Join NATO and give away Kosovo.

The People who Value Democracy can appreciate that all allegations of Election Fraud should be properly investigated by the Serbian Electoral Commission, because that is what the Electoral Law says.

It is therefore, a matter of Law and of following Democratic Principles, especially after Criminal Charges have been filed against the perpetrators of the recently rigged Elections.

There is the evidence of the ballot papers, and there is Video evidence of Election Fraud.

With any large scale Fraud, there is always the high probability of things going wrong, and so the evidence that has already come to hand is just the tip of the iceberg.

If a Bank were to find some of its real Money stolen and thrown into a dumpster, then it would investigate the matter, or if a Government, found fake Bank Notes, then it would want to investigate the matter.

The Serbian Government and the Serbian Electoral Commission has done neither of these things with regards to the ballot papers given to the Police, and this proves their Corruption.

If the ballot papers are real, the matter must be investigated, and if the ballot papers are fake, then it must be investigated.

The Government, and those in the Serbian Electoral Commission who receive good salaries and await their generous superannuation have up till now swept this under the carpet.

We will see what the Dacic paid Chief Police Officers who receive good salaries and await their generous superannuation, will sat concerning this, and we should also watch how the Media handles this matter of proven corruption.

America and Germany may allow an Investigation, but only after the Serbian Voters know that their Puppets the DS and the SPS can no longer conceal their corruption with slick America State Department words.

It would not surprise me to discover that the Tadic and Company deliberately allowed some of ballot papers to be discovered by the SNS, because they knew that demonstration would follow, and the CIA and Dacic could place paid agitators in the crowds to discredit the Opposition.

We know that Tadic and Company want to give away Kosovo, and if they can impose Martial Law, because of infiltrating and corrupting the Peaceful Requests to have a Government that is not corrupt like the Tadic and Dacic Government, and for the Law to be obeyed to give back the Democracy that has been stolen by the Quislings and Fifth Colonists.

Regardless of what those ballot papers are, or who stole them and who dumped them, the UNDELIABLE Facts are that Tadic and Dacic have acted corruptly regarding this matter, because they are corrupt, and they care only about themselves and their power lusts, and as for Democracy, they never were Democratic, and the longer they stay in power, the more ruthless, brazen, and corrupt they will become, because that is the American and German way.

To say that there is nothing irregular about all of this, is to blatantly lie and to insult the intelligence of the Serbian People.

We have seen how the Serbian Electoral Commission has allowed some repeat elections, but only for Local Councils, and only for show to deceive the People that they are honest in order to hope that it will cover up the UNDENIABLE Corruption of Tadic and Dacic, and Company.

@ Yet Another J S,
Nobody can choose to give Kosovo away. Did anyone give away the other break-away republics of Ex-Yugoslavia? No. These republics choose their own path which was their right under the federal constitution of Tito's Yugoslavia. It may not have occurred to you that in those days both Kosovo and Voijvodina enjoyed the same rights as Croatia and the other republics. Kosovo became an administrative region in 1946, as the Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija.
For this reason, if the majority of Kosovo decides to go it alone, as they have, then this is their right.
Quote:On 22 July 2010, the ICJ ruled that Kosovo's declaration of independence did not violate international law, which its president said contains no "prohibitions on declarations of independence"
on an other note; If Milosevic had handled the uprising of the Albanian population in Kosovo with a little more tact, instead of pursuing their decimation, then maybe today there would be no talk or insistence of independence.
Quote: Serbian abuses invalidate their sovereignty over Kosovo. Serbia performed numerous atrocities against the Kosovars in the war there in 1998 and 1999. This, and the recent denials of these atrocities, leads to the conclusion that the Serbians have foregone their any sovereign right over Kosovo. Whenever a government acts tyrannically towards a group of its people, its sovereignty over that people is put into question, and this is no exception.
And there you have it. I rest my case.

I want to see Serbs fight.

Šutanovac also noted that the SNS received the most votes in jails, where the citizens currently serving prison time cast their ballots, and added that "crime won't win in Serbia if Boris Tadić comes to power".

My god, now the DS joins the SNS in bringing down the level of civilized discussions and behavior.

'Decimation'? T? Decimation = the killing of one in ten or more commonly the killing of any proportion of a group. Have you got some death camps for us too? Some secret evidence the ICTY didn't use (Operation HorseSh*t for example?). I would be embarrassed for you if I gave a damn but I'll leave you to parrot old BS and makes stuff up till you turn blue.

@ Pretty Polly
What exactly did you think Milosevic was doing in Kosovo in 98 and 99, Holding a tea party and shaking hands with the Albanian population? The facts speak for themselves. There are some who claim the Nazi holocaust didn't happen either. I guess you're probably one of them.

This statement said by Mr. Sutanovas reminds me on same statement said by Ms. Mirjana Markovic, wife of ex-Serbian President Mr. Slobodan Milosevic. If you can dig archive you can translate and you'll see...Nothing's changed in media blackout except players...

The Helsinki Final Act of 1975 clearly states that territorial division is not allowed except with the agreement of both sides.

Autonomous units within ex-Yug have no right to secede at all.

The ICJ only ruled that it was not illegal to make the declaration.

The rest is opinion.
(Basics, 14 May 2012 19:41)

So when USA made Deceleration of Independence from UK they just the Deceleration was legal the rest was opinion? So if a population of a region gets abused for decades then they have to just live with it :0 ) oh chief good luck with that.

People of Kosovo do not want to live under Serbia deal with it.

What the hell are you talking about, Ben? The story is about alleged election fraud, nothing to do with Russia. Put your obsessions away for a minute, and concentrate on the story at hand. Anyway, I agree with Comm Parrisson: Šutanovac also noted that the SNS received the most votes in jails, where the citizens currently serving prison time cast their ballots, and added that "crime won't win in Serbia if Boris Tadić comes to power". My god, now the DS joins the SNS in bringing down the level of civilized discussions and behavior.
Falling to the "Clown Prince of Serbian politics'" level, Nikolic, is an embarrassment for the DS. I am still laughing and shaking my head from the hunger strike. But I guess that politicians just can't help themselves in mud slinging against one another. It happens everywhere, even in the bastion of democracy, the USA. In fact, DC may be the worst in that regard.

Doesn't SNS have someone better than a Mladic admirer to put in front of the DS for a tv talk show?

"There are some who claim the Nazi holocaust didn't happen either. I guess you're probably one of them."
(T, 14 May 2012 16:08)

No! Serbs usually only claim the Srebrenica massacre/genocide didn't happen. The people who deny the Nazi holocaust live a bit more in the south (outside of Europe).

Political prostitutes and sham elections, welcome to totalitarian Serbia.

"It may not have occurred to you that in those days both Kosovo and Voijvodina enjoyed the same rights as Croatia and the other republics. Kosovo became an administrative region in 1946, as the Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohija. "
(T, 14 May 2012 12:54)

Indeed, so far, it has not occurred to me that autonomous provinces/regions (within a state) enjoyed the same rights as constituent states of a federal republic.

LOL T - Kosovo 1998+ = Holocaust for you!

Do you say that as a jew (I am btw) or as someone who can't argue his way out of a wet paper bag? How dare you take the Holocaust in vain. Does it make you feel better? You have no shame, just a big mouth.

The Helsinki Final Act of 1975 clearly states that territorial division is not allowed except with the agreement of both sides.

Autonomous units within ex-Yug have no right to secede at all.

The ICJ only ruled that it was not illegal to make the declaration.

The rest is opinion.