SNS leader: Ballots were replaced with forgeries

Issue is very important, and in the end somebody should end up in jail, one way or the other.

Enough playing with minds of Serbian citizens!

It should be investigated promptly, and if it proves correct accusation, organizers should serve time. Big time!
If it proves wrongful accusations, Nikolic and his entire leadership should be in line for big time!

Worst thing would be to let it be forgotten. It would mean that in Serbia we are not entitled to know the truth.

I wouldn't be surprised if they collected this evidence from Zajecar. Have you seen the videos on YouTube? Crooked incumbents trying to hold onto power at any cost; I guess DS picked up many tricks from Milosevic, and now they do the same with Western help.

This indeed is a fraudulent election. The biggest problem here is that Dveri got totally stolen. While they won big time in many local elections - on the national level they have been robbed and hence the election was a stolen one, where Dveri got kicked out from being in parliament.

Kosovozation of Serbian politics indeed.

Though an Albanian by myself, I feel compelled to say that our peoples are not really that different..

It's amazing the lengths that Tadic would go through to sell out his country. Him and his cronies really must've had their pockets filled. I am sure his mentors in Washington were also behind this, or at least, the approval was granted. It appears that the Evil Empire's geo-political aspirations to dismantle Serbia totally, are overwhelming. All the parties should now unite and expose the sellouts. Perhaps this just might be the beginning of Serbia's rebound back as a nation. God be with you Tomo!!

(NATO New Albanian Teamster Organization, 10 May 2012 21:35)

Message to the uneducated albanian trolls (like the one above) who pollute this site with their ignorance daily (that includes some self-hating Serbs too who believe that Macedonians and albanians are getting along 'just fine'):
I am very glad that you disagree with everything I say. It means that I am on the right track, and that I am just plain right.
Cheers!!

This stinks to high heaven! I'm sure the DS had lots of help from their masters in Washington and Berlin to forge these ballots and steal the elections. I'm no fan of Nikolic, I support Kostunica, Dveri, and SRS, and I think they ALL got screwed here.
So let me ask our otporist friend bganon and others, where is the outrage?? Where are the street marches, why aren't you up in arms fighting for democracy?? Why so quiet? Oh, is it maybe because Madeline Albright is not funding your movement this time to tear apart the Serbian parliament building, light it on fire, and implant a west friendly quisling??

if by "screwed" you mean that people didn't vote for them, then yes, you're right.
(Danilo, 10 May 2012 20:05)

As a self-hating Serb, you would think that. People like you and Tadic love getting 'screwed'. Tadic just loves the abuse, loves it, he and SuNATOvac are masochists and love getting it every which way from their western masters.

"We caught them red-handed in election theft and we will show why we didn't win with a 15 percent margin - which is our approximate strength," he stated.

With a 15% margin? Ridiculous. All polls before the election showed that the SNS and DS are approximately on the same level - and the results achieved in the elections were not much different from that. If SNS would have won with 15% more votes, I would seriously concerned about election fraud :)

Anyway, this case should be investigated further, of course.

This comment is addressed to Lenard, if that's your real name. I've read your comments in the past, and it appears that, regardless of the issue, you continue to spew your venom on this board. What exactly is your problem? Were you a battered child? Were/are you a social outcast? Did your friends pick on you when you were young? Are you mentally challenged? Comment if you can on the subject of the article! We know your anti-Serb, and in that regard, why are you here?

The papers may have been printed in Poland but i would say all roads lead to High command in washington,if the Serbs put up with this they will put up with anything.

Sure you´r "not convinced" Bganon,no surprise there. You wouldn´t be even if the evidence of years of foul play jumps up and bite you and your Otpor pals. Without fraud and imperial support your nothing, that is a fact.

What a desperate politition (Nikolic) this guy is, How many times did he lose now? He will do anything to get to power. He is against Europe then he is for Europe he cant make up his mind cause he is not a strong leader.

Serbian long running soap-opera as the crookedness turns continues unabated from the 1990's remake. Serbia should be put right-away under its benevolent neighbours rule before Serbs hurt them self's and their long suffering victimized neighbours of Serb wicked politics. Serbia already has done exceedingly great criminal warmongering damage to the region. A permanent stop must be put on Serbia. They are not mature in any shape or form sad just more state criminal gangsterisem rearing its ugly head in Serbia. Serbia is just not ready to be a state or join the international community.

Hmm, now I wonder if these accusations would have been made if there wasn't the final round of Presidential elections to be held in under 2 weeks?

I'm not at all convinced by a number of ballot papers, unless the one's making the accusations can tell us which constituency the papers were taken from.

Also why would the fake ballots be printed in Poland? If the ruling authorities were collaborating in this then surely they would have used government printing presses? Additionally if the fake ballots were printed elsewhere under close inspection we should be able to see which are fake and which aren't.

Finally I don't know where they got this 15 percent lead figure over DS. I can't remember seeing one opinion poll stating this and it seems highly unrealistic. Originally I wasn't going to turn out to vote in the second round of Presidential elections. However, if the idea is to try to smear and cheat victory then I will turn out and vote for Tadic.

Hahaha! Serbia, the pariah state! And you Serb trolls have the "eggs" to talk about Kosovar elections or ANYTHING about Kosova. Ahh Serbia, a bright and shining example of such a "progressive" country that every Balkan country should emulate. The envy of all neighbors!

Serbian politicians = Circus Clowns with huge shoes and red noses. Haha!

"Finally I don't know where they got this 15 percent lead figure over DS. I can't remember seeing one opinion poll stating this and it seems highly unrealistic. "
(bganon, 10 May 2012 18:40)

Of course all the pre-election polls were forged and biased, too. Hey, a conspiracy theory is always a BIG thing :)

Dacic is the man!!!
(Janez Beograd, 10 May 2012 22:24)

Says the man who kisses his Tito poster every day. People like you who supported 'brotherhood and unity', gave away Kosovo (by making it autonomous and letting albanian flood in), made Vojvodina autonomous, didn't make Krajina autonomous, made Croatia bigger after WWII even though they lost the war and committed genocide, made the Bosnians a 'nation', made a fake province and called it 'Macedonia' (even though Macedonians are Greeks), gave away Serbian raw materials for cheap to Slovenia and Croatia, ruined the relationship with Russia while befriending Germany, drew a border on the Drina, betrayed Krajina Serbs....you want me to go on? Yeah, you and your ilk ruined Serbia, almost completely ruined it and gave it away. You communists/socialists are the last ones to talk about patriotism, because you have none and all you care about is your own derriere. Sad but true. Serbs are their own worst enemies.
Oh, and your hero Dacic, he was clinking glasses and celebrating with EU officials at the capture of Ratko Mladic and sending him to the gallows. He's a scumbag and a traitor - period.

"I support Kostunica, Dveri, and SRS, and I think they ALL got screwed here. "

if by "screwed" you mean that people didn't vote for them, then yes, you're right.

Whatever, Dragane. It seems as though it's you that hates Serbs in the end.

The same story happened in Romania: DP candidate, Traian Basescu, won with the help of the secret service, forging the votes from the romanian citizens in abroad. Off-course, in the name of EU, democracy, bla, bla.

This stinks to high heaven! I'm sure the DS had lots of help from their masters in Washington and Berlin to forge these ballots and steal the elections. I'm no fan of Nikolic, I support Kostunica, Dveri, and SRS, and I think they ALL got screwed here.
So let me ask our otporist friend bganon and others, where is the outrage?? Where are the street marches, why aren't you up in arms fighting for democracy?? Why so quiet? Oh, is it maybe because Madeline Albright is not funding your movement this time to tear apart the Serbian parliament building, light it on fire, and implant a west friendly quisling??
(Dragan, 10 May 2012 19:38)

Sounds like a sore loser expat to me sitting in his comfortable home in Toronto angry that his beloved Radicals got their asses kicked. Its over, you lost. Stop blaming Washington/CIA/Croats/Klingons or any other imagined bad guys in your crackpot loony conspiracy theories. Go and weep in front of your beloved Draza portrait.

Meanwhile the rest of us move on.

Socialists did good :-D

Dacic is the man!!!

This stinks to high heaven! I'm sure the DS had lots of help from their masters in Washington
(Dragan, 10 May 2012 19:38)

Dragon - This all does stink to high heaven, but then again Serbs are the "heavenly people":) Seriously though, why is it that any Serb that doesn't think the way that you do has to be working with America? Did you ever stop to think that maybe people just have different views and it has nothing to do with some crazy conspiracy? Why is it shocking for you to believe that there are Serbs that actually want to be a part of Europe and be on good terms with America? The fact that you demonize Europe and America to the irrational extent that you do discredits anything that you say.

well, it seems that something went wrong here, ...and I don´t think that those papers were just pulled out of a magicians hat. so there has to be some investigation about it.

@Janez: you didn´t lose one single word about these papers which were found in the garbage. is there a reason for omitting some words about that in your comment?

as for your nickname, ...doesn´t sound quite serbian, actually. just another k-albanian troll who´s using foreign nicknames in order to create the impression of foreign support for the Albanians or the lack of unity among the Serbs? well, I think you failed. miserably.

and in regard to all thos smarties who are "smelling" some conspiracy "theory"... why don´t you get a life down there in southern Serbia, ...do not hang around in cafe´s, playing with your keychain or cell-phones... and instead educate yourself in order to be capable of working for your own living. ( instead of being dependent of foreign money )?

you K-albanians should try to adjust yourselves to that day in the future, when Serbia takes over again, because otherwise you won´t have anything to live of ( except you leave for western europe then, to make some drug-money, like many of your comrades already are doing in western capitals ).

it seems to me that it is not Dragan, who should shut up, but rather you kiddies who are trying to belittle these allegations, since that shows your prematurity in regard to that issue.

if you are an Albanian you should just be quiet because you are not really known to be very familiar to democracy at all.

if you are a Tadić-fan you should be ashamed, that your socalled "democrats" seem to need dirty tricks to stay in power...

and before you start your laughable shitstorm here: I am no Nikolić-fan either, since he is a western puppet too.

the SNS is a foreign-supported project aimed at weakening the SRS, and keeping them away from power in Belgrade. that´s no secret, I guess.

let´s just see what future brings! I do not think that tricks like these will prevent Serbia from raising again.

"Hahaha! Serbia, the pariah state! And you Serb trolls have the "eggs" to talk about Kosovar elections or ANYTHING about Kosova. "
(NATO New Albanian Teamster Organization, 10 May 2012 17:28)

Yes, haha. These accusations so far came only from an opposition party - nothing unusual. OSCE assesses elections in Serbia as fair and noticed no major irregularities - while OSCE and all other international observers reported dozens of cases of massive election fraud in Kosovo last year (faked ballots, payed voters, double voting, election lists with dead people on it, intimidated voters .. simply everything that's needed when you want to manipulate elections :)

Dragan you forgot to include Obraz and Nacionalni Stroj among the Serbian organisations and parties you support!

The outrage? Right now its hard to keep a straight face with those on the hard rightists competing to see who can make a bigger fool of themselves. They were always a bunch of losers and this is why Sloba managed to play them for a decade and why 'democrats' continue to beat them under the current system.

The answers don't come from the hard right in Serbia, just as the answers don't come from the Republican party / KKK, or that Palin woman in the US. Rather they come from organisations such as Occupy, which do not count hooligans, skinheads and so on among their number.

Fighting for democracy? Well I thought that democracy was to vote in a free election, not to go to war.

We had an election and obviously you don't like the results. Suck it up for another 4/5 years and pray that in your dreams an extreme right wing party will come to power in Serbia. It won't, but don't give up!

Lenard....thanks to a Serb (Tesla in case you didn't know) you are able to electronically pour out your bile against the Serb nation on forums like this.Go away and take your worthless and rascist opinions away with you.

Peggy, of course bganon accepts the results, she didn't get the orders from Washington to start demonstrating. Until she is told by outsiders what to do, she accepts. People like bganon don't care about free and fair elections, democracy, they just want to transform from being Serbian to being a 'European', whatever that means. Thank God the EU will fall apart well before Serbia gets there.
Cheers!!

We had an election and obviously you don't like the results. Suck it up for another 4/5 years and pray that in your dreams an extreme right wing party will come to power in Serbia. It won't, but don't give up!
(bganon, 11 May 2012 00:04
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Just wondering if you accept the result as genuine.
Do you?

Yes, haha. These accusations so far came only from an opposition party - nothing unusual. OSCE assesses elections in Serbia as fair and noticed no major irregularities - while OSCE and all other international observers reported dozens of cases of massive election fraud in Kosovo last year (faked ballots, payed voters, double voting, election lists with dead people on it, intimidated voters .. simply everything that's needed when you want to manipulate elections :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 10 May 2012 19:53)

-- You're trying too hard man. Quit it. It's been done in the past. Milosevic was doing it until his last breath. Just because that one person left, doesn't mean 50 years of communism and it's ways were cleansed. Those who stole then steal now. If everything gets stolen in the country through high corruption what makes you think they will stop at election and stop stealing power? Especially since this was done in the past.

P.S Don't trust the OSCE too much. As a matter of fact don't trust anything too much. A dose of skepticism is always good. I don't expect you too admit that there's a chance that Serbs were involved in election fraud in a public forum where there are Albanians since your pride doesn't allow you to do that. You cant yet accept this yet in public cuz it goes against everything you've been writing for a while now. But when you're alone and aren't publishing your thoughts, be a skeptic and question everything. This is true about everything you read or hear.

(bganon, 10 May 2012 18:40)

I don’t think this is the result of SNS investigation but possibly a minor party. Either way the announcement may have a political motivation or the notion that the people need to rapidly know what’s going on. If it is political motivation only, then it is no different to Tadic opening a bridge or Dacic arresting war criminals during the electioneer blackout.

What is certain is that there was foul play in Zajecar and more may be announced as information is accompanied by evidence.

Poland has always had an interest and close relations with Serbia politics. Nacertanije is a prime example, Poland has expressed a historic interest in keeping Serbia from having close relations with Russia.

The 15% figure is dramatised and although possible it seems most unlikely that it would have been that high. What is more realistic to believe is that the SRS and Dveri might have been cut off from the 5% threshold with the URS and other minor parties benefiting. Definitely there needs to be an investigation.

Dragan as a Canadian I don't expect you know that Serbia is actually in Europe!

Yes, Serbians are a European people, no we are not in the EU.

And I'm glad to know that you respect elections that deliver a result that you are unhappy with.
(bganon, 11 May 2012 14:20)

Yeah, I was born in Serbia, so I'm well aware that it is in Europe. I also have dual citizenship, so I'm a Serbian as well. And yes, I respect the results of free and fair elections. What I don't respect is stolen elections by Tadic's yellow quislings, and it seems you do. You are a hypocrite, you would be up in arms and marching the strets if SNS or anyone on the right won the elections and there was evidence of fraud (and Madeline Albright would be very proud of you, as she funded your otpor demonstrations in the past). But here you are, saying 'no big deal'. Yep, just as I suspected, you're a total hypocrite who really doesn't know what you stand for. Ignorance is bliss, isn't it bganon?
Cheers!!

Dragan you just sound butt hurt about the election result my friend. Don't worry in time you will get over it. Hang on for another 5 years or so and maybe Nikolic will get in then!
(bganon, 11 May 2012 16:50)

Ummm, read below my hypocrite genius friend, I'm no fan of Nikolic. You'll be waiting much more than 5 years before your beloved LDP ever gets powerful. I find it ironic that a proud otporist like bganon is going to celebrate a fraudulent election. Hypocrisy at its best!
Cheers!!

Let me just say that of course Nikolic is speaking the truth. Of course these elections were rigged and the reason he is saying this now is simply because he was played the fool and he finally realises it.

You see, he was promised victory and he would sell himself for it, which he has already done. But now he has nothing. He was leading a party that could command almost 40% of the votes and the way things have turned out, he can't even get 25%. His actions killed 15% of the vote by being stupid while Tadic and other partners in crimes planned the destruction of the patriotic vote.

Put it this way, Dveri were the destroyers. Who created this party? Think about it! As they say, the devil is in the detail.

Dragan as a Canadian I don't expect you know that Serbia is actually in Europe!

Yes, Serbians are a European people, no we are not in the EU.

And I'm glad to know that you respect elections that deliver a result that you are unhappy with.

We all remember when Nikolic went on hunger strike because things weren't going his way. Now because the elections didn't go his way he claims fraud!
This is typical of his character. He is spiteful and infantile and definitely not fit to rule.

Peggy, for the time being yes I do. At the same time I'm sure there are some irregularities, but it isn't something that would affect the overall result to any great degree - certainly not the 10% or so that SNS are claiming they were robbed of.

So serbs steal votes from serbs and the americans,germans,aliens are to blame. It is never the serbs themselves.

"The sack, said Nikolić, contained 3,000 original ballot papers that the citizens used to vote on May 6 - but which were after the polls closed "thrown into garbage dumpsters". "

SNS has gotten very low if it has started to search for votes in garbage dumpsters.
DS has gotten very stupid if they really threw votes in the dumpsters. They should have burned them.

Jovan,

I am Slovene. I was born in Belgrade, I live here and I work for here for a living.

Now, it seems to me that Nikolic is grasping at straws here as i doubt that the irregularities (even if they are some) are that significant to affect the outcome of the election. Even though all allegations must be investigated but I think overall it was a clean race.

There is no evidence that it was a 'big deal'. The story is that thousands of ballot papers were found in containers in an unnamed location from unknown constituencies, found by somebody unknown - allegedly produced in Poland and transported over the Hungarian border. That is a flimsy story at best, and it should be easy to prove or disprove.

Dragan you just sound butt hurt about the election result my friend. Don't worry in time you will get over it. Hang on for another 5 years or so and maybe Nikolic will get in then!

Dragan ironic? Heh, that was unfortunate mistake on your part. Surely you don't mean to suggest that an otporist would not celebrate a fraudulent election? For irony to be involved would suggest that 'otporists' are principled!

As for LDP, it might not be 5 years before they are in government, could be more like 5 working days. I just know you won't be able to hold back the tears then. Never mind, one day Toma might make the grade - don't tell me you didn't have a lot of love for the guy when he led SRS. I know the romance has worn off a little, but it surely would take much for you to rekindle the flames of passion...

"He also stated that the Democratic Party (DS) was guilty of organizing the fraud"

That's what happens when you're too close to Russia :)

egads.... these "big Serbs" in the diaspora hate Serbs more than I do!

"I don't expect you too admit that there's a chance that Serbs were involved in election fraud in a public forum where there are Albanians since your pride doesn't allow you to do that. You cant yet accept this yet in public cuz it goes against everything you've been writing for a while now. "
(Johny, 11 May 2012 01:46)

I don't have a problem to admit that there MIGHT have been some election irregularities in Serbia. I only said that so far, it was only an opposition party that CLAIMED it. In total contrast to Kosovo, where all possible kind of election fraud has been reported from several observers, independently. And these frauds haven't been only replaced ballots, but bought voters, intimidated voters, and so on. The 'funniest' thing for me was that in his home region, your 'gentleman' and 'prime minister' Thaci was 'elected with 115% of the votes (or so). Some people should have payed better attention in mathematic classes at school :)

Serbian long running soap-opera as the crookedness turns continues unabated from the 1990's remake. Serbia should be put right-away under its benevolent neighbours rule before Serbs hurt them self's and their long suffering victimized neighbours of Serb wicked politics. Serbia already has done exceedingly great criminal warmongering damage to the region. A permanent stop must be put on Serbia. They are not mature in any shape or form sad just more state criminal gangsterisem rearing its ugly head in Serbia. Serbia is just not ready to be a state or join the international community.

Hahaha! Serbia, the pariah state! And you Serb trolls have the "eggs" to talk about Kosovar elections or ANYTHING about Kosova. Ahh Serbia, a bright and shining example of such a "progressive" country that every Balkan country should emulate. The envy of all neighbors!

Serbian politicians = Circus Clowns with huge shoes and red noses. Haha!

This stinks to high heaven! I'm sure the DS had lots of help from their masters in Washington and Berlin to forge these ballots and steal the elections. I'm no fan of Nikolic, I support Kostunica, Dveri, and SRS, and I think they ALL got screwed here.
So let me ask our otporist friend bganon and others, where is the outrage?? Where are the street marches, why aren't you up in arms fighting for democracy?? Why so quiet? Oh, is it maybe because Madeline Albright is not funding your movement this time to tear apart the Serbian parliament building, light it on fire, and implant a west friendly quisling??
(Dragan, 10 May 2012 19:38)

Sounds like a sore loser expat to me sitting in his comfortable home in Toronto angry that his beloved Radicals got their asses kicked. Its over, you lost. Stop blaming Washington/CIA/Croats/Klingons or any other imagined bad guys in your crackpot loony conspiracy theories. Go and weep in front of your beloved Draza portrait.

Meanwhile the rest of us move on.

Socialists did good :-D

Dacic is the man!!!

Whatever, Dragane. It seems as though it's you that hates Serbs in the end.

This stinks to high heaven! I'm sure the DS had lots of help from their masters in Washington
(Dragan, 10 May 2012 19:38)

Dragon - This all does stink to high heaven, but then again Serbs are the "heavenly people":) Seriously though, why is it that any Serb that doesn't think the way that you do has to be working with America? Did you ever stop to think that maybe people just have different views and it has nothing to do with some crazy conspiracy? Why is it shocking for you to believe that there are Serbs that actually want to be a part of Europe and be on good terms with America? The fact that you demonize Europe and America to the irrational extent that you do discredits anything that you say.

Hmm, now I wonder if these accusations would have been made if there wasn't the final round of Presidential elections to be held in under 2 weeks?

I'm not at all convinced by a number of ballot papers, unless the one's making the accusations can tell us which constituency the papers were taken from.

Also why would the fake ballots be printed in Poland? If the ruling authorities were collaborating in this then surely they would have used government printing presses? Additionally if the fake ballots were printed elsewhere under close inspection we should be able to see which are fake and which aren't.

Finally I don't know where they got this 15 percent lead figure over DS. I can't remember seeing one opinion poll stating this and it seems highly unrealistic. Originally I wasn't going to turn out to vote in the second round of Presidential elections. However, if the idea is to try to smear and cheat victory then I will turn out and vote for Tadic.

It's amazing the lengths that Tadic would go through to sell out his country. Him and his cronies really must've had their pockets filled. I am sure his mentors in Washington were also behind this, or at least, the approval was granted. It appears that the Evil Empire's geo-political aspirations to dismantle Serbia totally, are overwhelming. All the parties should now unite and expose the sellouts. Perhaps this just might be the beginning of Serbia's rebound back as a nation. God be with you Tomo!!

"I support Kostunica, Dveri, and SRS, and I think they ALL got screwed here. "

if by "screwed" you mean that people didn't vote for them, then yes, you're right.

The papers may have been printed in Poland but i would say all roads lead to High command in washington,if the Serbs put up with this they will put up with anything.

Jovan,

I am Slovene. I was born in Belgrade, I live here and I work for here for a living.

Now, it seems to me that Nikolic is grasping at straws here as i doubt that the irregularities (even if they are some) are that significant to affect the outcome of the election. Even though all allegations must be investigated but I think overall it was a clean race.

What a desperate politition (Nikolic) this guy is, How many times did he lose now? He will do anything to get to power. He is against Europe then he is for Europe he cant make up his mind cause he is not a strong leader.

This stinks to high heaven! I'm sure the DS had lots of help from their masters in Washington and Berlin to forge these ballots and steal the elections. I'm no fan of Nikolic, I support Kostunica, Dveri, and SRS, and I think they ALL got screwed here.
So let me ask our otporist friend bganon and others, where is the outrage?? Where are the street marches, why aren't you up in arms fighting for democracy?? Why so quiet? Oh, is it maybe because Madeline Albright is not funding your movement this time to tear apart the Serbian parliament building, light it on fire, and implant a west friendly quisling??

Sure you´r "not convinced" Bganon,no surprise there. You wouldn´t be even if the evidence of years of foul play jumps up and bite you and your Otpor pals. Without fraud and imperial support your nothing, that is a fact.

if by "screwed" you mean that people didn't vote for them, then yes, you're right.
(Danilo, 10 May 2012 20:05)

As a self-hating Serb, you would think that. People like you and Tadic love getting 'screwed'. Tadic just loves the abuse, loves it, he and SuNATOvac are masochists and love getting it every which way from their western masters.

(NATO New Albanian Teamster Organization, 10 May 2012 21:35)

Message to the uneducated albanian trolls (like the one above) who pollute this site with their ignorance daily (that includes some self-hating Serbs too who believe that Macedonians and albanians are getting along 'just fine'):
I am very glad that you disagree with everything I say. It means that I am on the right track, and that I am just plain right.
Cheers!!

Dragan you forgot to include Obraz and Nacionalni Stroj among the Serbian organisations and parties you support!

The outrage? Right now its hard to keep a straight face with those on the hard rightists competing to see who can make a bigger fool of themselves. They were always a bunch of losers and this is why Sloba managed to play them for a decade and why 'democrats' continue to beat them under the current system.

The answers don't come from the hard right in Serbia, just as the answers don't come from the Republican party / KKK, or that Palin woman in the US. Rather they come from organisations such as Occupy, which do not count hooligans, skinheads and so on among their number.

Fighting for democracy? Well I thought that democracy was to vote in a free election, not to go to war.

We had an election and obviously you don't like the results. Suck it up for another 4/5 years and pray that in your dreams an extreme right wing party will come to power in Serbia. It won't, but don't give up!

I wouldn't be surprised if they collected this evidence from Zajecar. Have you seen the videos on YouTube? Crooked incumbents trying to hold onto power at any cost; I guess DS picked up many tricks from Milosevic, and now they do the same with Western help.

"Hahaha! Serbia, the pariah state! And you Serb trolls have the "eggs" to talk about Kosovar elections or ANYTHING about Kosova. "
(NATO New Albanian Teamster Organization, 10 May 2012 17:28)

Yes, haha. These accusations so far came only from an opposition party - nothing unusual. OSCE assesses elections in Serbia as fair and noticed no major irregularities - while OSCE and all other international observers reported dozens of cases of massive election fraud in Kosovo last year (faked ballots, payed voters, double voting, election lists with dead people on it, intimidated voters .. simply everything that's needed when you want to manipulate elections :)

Dragan as a Canadian I don't expect you know that Serbia is actually in Europe!

Yes, Serbians are a European people, no we are not in the EU.

And I'm glad to know that you respect elections that deliver a result that you are unhappy with.

This comment is addressed to Lenard, if that's your real name. I've read your comments in the past, and it appears that, regardless of the issue, you continue to spew your venom on this board. What exactly is your problem? Were you a battered child? Were/are you a social outcast? Did your friends pick on you when you were young? Are you mentally challenged? Comment if you can on the subject of the article! We know your anti-Serb, and in that regard, why are you here?

"Finally I don't know where they got this 15 percent lead figure over DS. I can't remember seeing one opinion poll stating this and it seems highly unrealistic. "
(bganon, 10 May 2012 18:40)

Of course all the pre-election polls were forged and biased, too. Hey, a conspiracy theory is always a BIG thing :)

"He also stated that the Democratic Party (DS) was guilty of organizing the fraud"

That's what happens when you're too close to Russia :)

Peggy, for the time being yes I do. At the same time I'm sure there are some irregularities, but it isn't something that would affect the overall result to any great degree - certainly not the 10% or so that SNS are claiming they were robbed of.

"We caught them red-handed in election theft and we will show why we didn't win with a 15 percent margin - which is our approximate strength," he stated.

With a 15% margin? Ridiculous. All polls before the election showed that the SNS and DS are approximately on the same level - and the results achieved in the elections were not much different from that. If SNS would have won with 15% more votes, I would seriously concerned about election fraud :)

Anyway, this case should be investigated further, of course.

egads.... these "big Serbs" in the diaspora hate Serbs more than I do!

Kosovozation of Serbian politics indeed.

Though an Albanian by myself, I feel compelled to say that our peoples are not really that different..

This indeed is a fraudulent election. The biggest problem here is that Dveri got totally stolen. While they won big time in many local elections - on the national level they have been robbed and hence the election was a stolen one, where Dveri got kicked out from being in parliament.

There is no evidence that it was a 'big deal'. The story is that thousands of ballot papers were found in containers in an unnamed location from unknown constituencies, found by somebody unknown - allegedly produced in Poland and transported over the Hungarian border. That is a flimsy story at best, and it should be easy to prove or disprove.

Dragan you just sound butt hurt about the election result my friend. Don't worry in time you will get over it. Hang on for another 5 years or so and maybe Nikolic will get in then!

So serbs steal votes from serbs and the americans,germans,aliens are to blame. It is never the serbs themselves.

Dacic is the man!!!
(Janez Beograd, 10 May 2012 22:24)

Says the man who kisses his Tito poster every day. People like you who supported 'brotherhood and unity', gave away Kosovo (by making it autonomous and letting albanian flood in), made Vojvodina autonomous, didn't make Krajina autonomous, made Croatia bigger after WWII even though they lost the war and committed genocide, made the Bosnians a 'nation', made a fake province and called it 'Macedonia' (even though Macedonians are Greeks), gave away Serbian raw materials for cheap to Slovenia and Croatia, ruined the relationship with Russia while befriending Germany, drew a border on the Drina, betrayed Krajina Serbs....you want me to go on? Yeah, you and your ilk ruined Serbia, almost completely ruined it and gave it away. You communists/socialists are the last ones to talk about patriotism, because you have none and all you care about is your own derriere. Sad but true. Serbs are their own worst enemies.
Oh, and your hero Dacic, he was clinking glasses and celebrating with EU officials at the capture of Ratko Mladic and sending him to the gallows. He's a scumbag and a traitor - period.

Let me just say that of course Nikolic is speaking the truth. Of course these elections were rigged and the reason he is saying this now is simply because he was played the fool and he finally realises it.

You see, he was promised victory and he would sell himself for it, which he has already done. But now he has nothing. He was leading a party that could command almost 40% of the votes and the way things have turned out, he can't even get 25%. His actions killed 15% of the vote by being stupid while Tadic and other partners in crimes planned the destruction of the patriotic vote.

Put it this way, Dveri were the destroyers. Who created this party? Think about it! As they say, the devil is in the detail.

Dragan ironic? Heh, that was unfortunate mistake on your part. Surely you don't mean to suggest that an otporist would not celebrate a fraudulent election? For irony to be involved would suggest that 'otporists' are principled!

As for LDP, it might not be 5 years before they are in government, could be more like 5 working days. I just know you won't be able to hold back the tears then. Never mind, one day Toma might make the grade - don't tell me you didn't have a lot of love for the guy when he led SRS. I know the romance has worn off a little, but it surely would take much for you to rekindle the flames of passion...

We all remember when Nikolic went on hunger strike because things weren't going his way. Now because the elections didn't go his way he claims fraud!
This is typical of his character. He is spiteful and infantile and definitely not fit to rule.

Peggy, of course bganon accepts the results, she didn't get the orders from Washington to start demonstrating. Until she is told by outsiders what to do, she accepts. People like bganon don't care about free and fair elections, democracy, they just want to transform from being Serbian to being a 'European', whatever that means. Thank God the EU will fall apart well before Serbia gets there.
Cheers!!

Dragan as a Canadian I don't expect you know that Serbia is actually in Europe!

Yes, Serbians are a European people, no we are not in the EU.

And I'm glad to know that you respect elections that deliver a result that you are unhappy with.
(bganon, 11 May 2012 14:20)

Yeah, I was born in Serbia, so I'm well aware that it is in Europe. I also have dual citizenship, so I'm a Serbian as well. And yes, I respect the results of free and fair elections. What I don't respect is stolen elections by Tadic's yellow quislings, and it seems you do. You are a hypocrite, you would be up in arms and marching the strets if SNS or anyone on the right won the elections and there was evidence of fraud (and Madeline Albright would be very proud of you, as she funded your otpor demonstrations in the past). But here you are, saying 'no big deal'. Yep, just as I suspected, you're a total hypocrite who really doesn't know what you stand for. Ignorance is bliss, isn't it bganon?
Cheers!!

well, it seems that something went wrong here, ...and I don´t think that those papers were just pulled out of a magicians hat. so there has to be some investigation about it.

@Janez: you didn´t lose one single word about these papers which were found in the garbage. is there a reason for omitting some words about that in your comment?

as for your nickname, ...doesn´t sound quite serbian, actually. just another k-albanian troll who´s using foreign nicknames in order to create the impression of foreign support for the Albanians or the lack of unity among the Serbs? well, I think you failed. miserably.

and in regard to all thos smarties who are "smelling" some conspiracy "theory"... why don´t you get a life down there in southern Serbia, ...do not hang around in cafe´s, playing with your keychain or cell-phones... and instead educate yourself in order to be capable of working for your own living. ( instead of being dependent of foreign money )?

you K-albanians should try to adjust yourselves to that day in the future, when Serbia takes over again, because otherwise you won´t have anything to live of ( except you leave for western europe then, to make some drug-money, like many of your comrades already are doing in western capitals ).

it seems to me that it is not Dragan, who should shut up, but rather you kiddies who are trying to belittle these allegations, since that shows your prematurity in regard to that issue.

if you are an Albanian you should just be quiet because you are not really known to be very familiar to democracy at all.

if you are a Tadić-fan you should be ashamed, that your socalled "democrats" seem to need dirty tricks to stay in power...

and before you start your laughable shitstorm here: I am no Nikolić-fan either, since he is a western puppet too.

the SNS is a foreign-supported project aimed at weakening the SRS, and keeping them away from power in Belgrade. that´s no secret, I guess.

let´s just see what future brings! I do not think that tricks like these will prevent Serbia from raising again.

Issue is very important, and in the end somebody should end up in jail, one way or the other.

Enough playing with minds of Serbian citizens!

It should be investigated promptly, and if it proves correct accusation, organizers should serve time. Big time!
If it proves wrongful accusations, Nikolic and his entire leadership should be in line for big time!

Worst thing would be to let it be forgotten. It would mean that in Serbia we are not entitled to know the truth.

Yes, haha. These accusations so far came only from an opposition party - nothing unusual. OSCE assesses elections in Serbia as fair and noticed no major irregularities - while OSCE and all other international observers reported dozens of cases of massive election fraud in Kosovo last year (faked ballots, payed voters, double voting, election lists with dead people on it, intimidated voters .. simply everything that's needed when you want to manipulate elections :)
(Comm. Parrisson, 10 May 2012 19:53)

-- You're trying too hard man. Quit it. It's been done in the past. Milosevic was doing it until his last breath. Just because that one person left, doesn't mean 50 years of communism and it's ways were cleansed. Those who stole then steal now. If everything gets stolen in the country through high corruption what makes you think they will stop at election and stop stealing power? Especially since this was done in the past.

P.S Don't trust the OSCE too much. As a matter of fact don't trust anything too much. A dose of skepticism is always good. I don't expect you too admit that there's a chance that Serbs were involved in election fraud in a public forum where there are Albanians since your pride doesn't allow you to do that. You cant yet accept this yet in public cuz it goes against everything you've been writing for a while now. But when you're alone and aren't publishing your thoughts, be a skeptic and question everything. This is true about everything you read or hear.

Lenard....thanks to a Serb (Tesla in case you didn't know) you are able to electronically pour out your bile against the Serb nation on forums like this.Go away and take your worthless and rascist opinions away with you.

(bganon, 10 May 2012 18:40)

I don’t think this is the result of SNS investigation but possibly a minor party. Either way the announcement may have a political motivation or the notion that the people need to rapidly know what’s going on. If it is political motivation only, then it is no different to Tadic opening a bridge or Dacic arresting war criminals during the electioneer blackout.

What is certain is that there was foul play in Zajecar and more may be announced as information is accompanied by evidence.

Poland has always had an interest and close relations with Serbia politics. Nacertanije is a prime example, Poland has expressed a historic interest in keeping Serbia from having close relations with Russia.

The 15% figure is dramatised and although possible it seems most unlikely that it would have been that high. What is more realistic to believe is that the SRS and Dveri might have been cut off from the 5% threshold with the URS and other minor parties benefiting. Definitely there needs to be an investigation.

The same story happened in Romania: DP candidate, Traian Basescu, won with the help of the secret service, forging the votes from the romanian citizens in abroad. Off-course, in the name of EU, democracy, bla, bla.

We had an election and obviously you don't like the results. Suck it up for another 4/5 years and pray that in your dreams an extreme right wing party will come to power in Serbia. It won't, but don't give up!
(bganon, 11 May 2012 00:04
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Just wondering if you accept the result as genuine.
Do you?

Dragan you just sound butt hurt about the election result my friend. Don't worry in time you will get over it. Hang on for another 5 years or so and maybe Nikolic will get in then!
(bganon, 11 May 2012 16:50)

Ummm, read below my hypocrite genius friend, I'm no fan of Nikolic. You'll be waiting much more than 5 years before your beloved LDP ever gets powerful. I find it ironic that a proud otporist like bganon is going to celebrate a fraudulent election. Hypocrisy at its best!
Cheers!!

"The sack, said Nikolić, contained 3,000 original ballot papers that the citizens used to vote on May 6 - but which were after the polls closed "thrown into garbage dumpsters". "

SNS has gotten very low if it has started to search for votes in garbage dumpsters.
DS has gotten very stupid if they really threw votes in the dumpsters. They should have burned them.

"I don't expect you too admit that there's a chance that Serbs were involved in election fraud in a public forum where there are Albanians since your pride doesn't allow you to do that. You cant yet accept this yet in public cuz it goes against everything you've been writing for a while now. "
(Johny, 11 May 2012 01:46)

I don't have a problem to admit that there MIGHT have been some election irregularities in Serbia. I only said that so far, it was only an opposition party that CLAIMED it. In total contrast to Kosovo, where all possible kind of election fraud has been reported from several observers, independently. And these frauds haven't been only replaced ballots, but bought voters, intimidated voters, and so on. The 'funniest' thing for me was that in his home region, your 'gentleman' and 'prime minister' Thaci was 'elected with 115% of the votes (or so). Some people should have payed better attention in mathematic classes at school :)