Wartime member of Bosnia-Herzegovina Presidency Ejup Ganić believes Serbia is destabilizing the entire region and that Bosnia should sue it for aggression.
Now some people regret, but back then Croats, Slovenians and Albanians wanted to separate from YU and not only because of Milosevic, they just wanted to separate before he came to power. Milosevic politics was desperate reaction on increasing separatism.
(aaayyy, 5 May 2012 14:08)
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True, this desire to break up Yugoslavia goes back to at least 1961.
There were Croatian terrorist camps in Australia back then. The idea was to go back and provoke a separatist movement.
This is way before Milosevic so enough of blaming him for it.
Take a look at this.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/69226252@N05/6547039659/
A bit of reading here too
So knowing how far back Croatians and others wanted to separate from Yugoslavia why do Albanians always lie about it?
It has nothing to do with Milosevic. Tito who was not a Serb and certainly not sympathetic towards the Serbs was in power and still separatists tried to make trouble.
Go ask the Slovenes what they now think of breaking away from Yugoslavia – many now openly say it was a better life playing in the second division than coming last in the Premier league. You should see on Tito’s birthday the every growing numbers attending the celebrations in Croatia and they are mostly young people. This year I watched as a 23 year old Croat said that “what is the point of this independent Croatia when there are no jobs and no future? In the old Yugo pay was not high but everyone had a job and life was good” These are their words not mine – I hope it never returns to that again.
(Lenard, 4 May 2012 17:37)
Now some people regret, but back then Croats, Slovenians and Albanians wanted to separate from YU and not only because of Milosevic, they just wanted to separate before he came to power. Milosevic politics was desperate reaction on increasing separatism.
Yes Bill, any more monumental "WINNING" victories like this and Serbia's success and prosperity will be assured (!!??!!.
(truthiness, 4 May 2012 22:03)
Lets look at what you see as loses.
Slovenia – who the f… cares abolut Slovenia. Its was ca mill stone around Serbia’s neck. We had to give it our raw material and they would process it and sell then keep most of the foreign currency and give Serbia scraps. Why don’t you migrate to Slovenia ands see how well things are there.
Craotia – look very closely at Croatia and see who runs it now – its not the Croats, but the Serbs. By the time we are finished with Croatia it will look something like Stepa Stepanovic suggested in 1922. Its only the begging.
BiH – we already have 50% of it so why do we need the Bosniaks or what is left of the Croats.
Kosovo – Kosvo is going nowhere fats, but rotting like Croiatia’s navy.
NATO – considering that there were 19 countrties that attsacked Serbia and they withheld that long and in the end got the UN to control Kosovo I’m very proud of my people, but what have your done that did not require big brother to do the fighting for you?
Montenegro – even the US State Dept. call it a mafia state, but a better term is a failed state.
Adriatic – no Serbia has access to the adriartic; you need to keep up with the times. Belgrade signed and agreement with the then Montenegro leadership on buying a port so that our vehicles will travel on Serbian owned roads and railway On top it has access to the Danube and its much the same..
Navy – who gives a rats about a navy – Croatia has one and most of it is rotting in ports, no money to keep it afloat.
International Reputation – is that why EU, US and other companies are rushing to open business in Serbia? How many have opened business in Kosovo, Croatia or Slovenia??????????
ICJ – literacy amongst Albanians is a serious problem.
Living standards – well considering Serbia’s is low then how high is it in Kosovo or Albania or Romania or Bulgaria or Croatia or Slovenia????
You have no idea; have you?
(Hans, 4 May 2012 15:16)
Hans, straight from the beer halls of Munich. I am not talking about the 1990s but 2012+. If your NATO was that strong why didn’t it use force to crush the Serbs inMitrovica recently during the barricades???????
You think that all wars are fought with soldiers? This one will be fought with something even deadlier than bullets; it’s called money and you would never understand it anyway. But remember Hans I kept on tellingg you guys about the recession never leaving the EU and boy was I right.
Hans it’s too complex to explain to you plus I’ll be taking you away from your stein of beer. Just go and get drunk and enjoy yourself.
But Slovenians, Croats and Albanians don't think that Yugoslavia's disintegration was a fault, they believe it was a blessing.
(aaayyy, 4 May 2012 15:37)
Go ask the Slovenes what they now think of breaking away from Yugoslavia – many now openly say it was a better life playing in the second division than coming last in the Premier league. You should see on Tito’s birthday the every growing numbers attending the celebrations in Croatia and they are mostly young people. This year I watched as a 23 year old Croat said that “what is the point of this independent Croatia when there are no jobs and no future? In the old Yugo pay was not high but everyone had a job and life was good” These are their words not mine – I hope it never returns to that again.
(Lenard, 4 May 2012 17:37)
Lenny as I said it before if you pull it hard enough it will come off. You Croat forces only killed old people, women and children much like what they did in central Bosnia where they murdered defenseless Bosnaiks some even burnt alive in cellars.
You most capable general was Gotovina – a private in the French foreign legion. Look very carefully how Bleiberg is being swept under the carpet by Milanovic and Josipovic.
Lenard before operation storm began the Serbian military or Yugoslav army pulled out of those regions. Why didn’t they try it before? The motto of the Croat army – piss and wind.
"As far as NATO entrenching itself in the Balkans, it’s too late and Serbia will not only destabilize but destroy these so called countries one by one.
Step by step."
(sj, 4 May 2012 11:10)
Some people never learn, obviously. Not from history Germans had to make during WW2, and not even from their own past. What have all the wars and the worst atrocities after WW2 in the Balkans brought to Serbs? Did they benefit at least from the 100,000s of people killed? Not really! Instead of a 'greater Serbia', 10,000s of Serbs were expelled from places that were their home for decades/centuries. Or they left (more or less) voluntarily. Great results, indeed.
"Yes Bill, any more monumental "WINNING" victories like this and Serbia's success and prosperity will be assured (!!??!!."
(truthiness, 4 May 2012 22:03)
Ridiculous, indeed. Maybe Bill wants to 'win' in Kosovo, too: Serbs are relocated to some smaller villages in the north and expelled from all other towns in the southern part. Then they don't have to live with their unwanted neighbors any more, and everyone is happy (or not).
Thank you brother!
That is the kind of answer I want to hear from all Serbs:screw Yugoslavia,we have the RS and Serbia,I know all our enemies hate it but they cant do anything about it:
Our national goal in the short run must be:
-to repair the economy so Serbs return from various countries(around 4 million Serbs in the diaspora)
- to fight the demographic crisis
- we Serbs from Montenegro will sooner or later topple Djukanovic and unite Montenegro with Serbia in one state
- to lobby for RS to join Serbia!
Kosovo has to be on the backburner for now,but sooner or later this problem will be solved too in our favour!
Our enemies had the COMPLETE WEST(Croats had Germany and the US supporting them in every way while Bosniaks and ALbanians were supported in everyway) and STILL they couldnt break us!
Even to survive in that onslaught is called victory!
Yes you are absolutely right here young Bill. Serbias independance was the result of great Serbian victories such as:
- losing the war in Slovenia
THERE WAS NO WAR IN SLOVENIA. Yugoslav army did not fight back.
- losing the war in Croatia
IT WAS THE US COORDINATING THE CROATS AND SUPPORTING THEM
- losing the war in Bosnia
AGAIN, IT WAS WESTERN INTERVENTION (Bosnia was being lost).
- losing a war against NATO
YOU TRY TO FIGHT AGAINST NATO. There is no shame on the Serbs here
Only on NATO criminals who targeted mainly civilian institutions.
- losing Kosovo
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME NATO BOMBARDMENT. See above.
- losing Montenegro
THAT TRAITOR, MAFIA BOSS DJUKANOVIC DID THAT. Still Serbs there.
- losing access to the Adriatic
AS LONG AS WE HAVE SERBS IN MONTENEGRO WE CAN WORK IT OUT
- losing your navy
YOU CAN HAVE THIS ONE
- losing your international reputation
THAT’S DEBATABLE. DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ASK.
Losing your ICJ cour tcase
WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE THINK OF THE HAGUE
- lowering of your standard of living CAN’T GET ANY LOWER THAN YOURS SO STAY AWAY FROM THIS ONE
Yes Bill, any more monumental "WINNING" victories like this and Serbia's success and prosperity will be assured (!!??!!.
(truthiness, 4 May 2012 22:03)
I can tell you that Serbia will always be in a better position than you buys so don't think that you look clever by making any silly remark.
truthiness, are you on drugs, insane, or simply are a troll that is here to harass us with factually incorrect information???
1) We did not lose a war in Slovenia. We withdrew from Slovenia and got attacked while withdrawing. You call that losing a war? May god help you.
2) Serbia did not fight in Croatia. That was a civil war, as the local Serbs over there rose up to defend themselves against the continuation of the croatian-nazi genocide.
3) We won in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Do you notice that Republika Srpska exists? Open your eyes.
4) We did not lose against NATO. We got hurt, but we did not lose. Kosovo remains part of Serbia.
5) According to the UN resolution 1244, Kosovo is part of Serbia.
6) All Montenegrins are Serbs but not all Serbs are Montenegrins.
I hope this is enough to educate you. In the meantime perhaps you might enjoy living the life of one of Serbia's neighbors. The neighbors live a miserable life, just like people in Serbia do. It's not like they're much better off... many are worse off. And at least we achieve more in terms of culture and sports. Cheers.
If the people of Serbia was fighting the Yugoslav war, then there would be a 0% chance that the serbs would lose.
But gues what, serbs of Bosnia fought on their OWN against 3/4 enemies, Serbs of croatia were fighting alone against the croats.
That albanians became a majority in Kosovo is THX to TITO and his communists.
And also because of them they made out of TRUE serbs montenegrins...
ANd if you really want to know which people were serbs until WW1 and and most up to 1945: Racians (people who live in Serbia)
Montenegrins/Hercegovians/Dalamtians/Licianc/Sokci/Bunjevci/Slavonci/bosnjaks.
There is enough proof that until the begining of the 20th C they where 10% Serb
But because of there &****&* Religion they THINK they are not Serbian even though they Speak Serbian(sthokavian)
Again
the people in yugoslavia were and still are the same people with a different religion!
So who is loseing?
Yugoslavia had before the war a 15 Billion dollar debt
And now because of war damages/Sanctions/Debts/etc
The debt of all former YU republics goes in to the 100 billions dollar debt!
So everyone lost if those people where smarter they would have kept YU as one country.
And like bill said that serbia is independant now is the best that happend has for serbia Because the whole yugoslav politics were anti serbian from the begining.
@Hans - what do you call Republika Srpska? That is called winning. And what do you call a INDEPENDENT SERBIA? The greatest thing ever to happen to Serbs - ever. That they don't have to live with their neighbors who were once nazi's and whose countries are built on Serbian children's bones. Serbia is independent, NO MORE TITO, no MORE Croatians, No more Bosniaks, no more enemies in one state. THAT my friend is called WINNING.
(Bill Rome, 4 May 2012 17:52)
Nothing like a little giggle in the morning to get your day started....
"And what do you call a INDEPENDENT SERBIA? The greatest thing ever to happen to Serbs - ever.".
Yes you are absolutely right here young Bill. Serbias independance was the result of great Serbian victories such as:
- losing the war in Slovenia
- losing the war in Croatia
- losing the war in Bosnia
- losing a war against NATO
- losing Kosovo
- losing Montenegro
- losing access to the adriatic
- losing your navy
- losing your international reputation
- losing your ICJ court case
- lowering of your standard of living
Yes Bill, any more monumental "WINNING" victories like this and Serbia's success and prosperity will be assured (!!??!!.
@Hans - what do you call Republika Srpska? That is called winning. And what do you call a INDEPENDENT SERBIA? The greatest thing ever to happen to Serbs - ever. That they don't have to live with their neighbors who were once nazi's and whose countries are built on Serbian children's bones. Serbia is independent, NO MORE TITO, no MORE Croatians, No more Bosniaks, no more enemies in one state. THAT my friend is called WINNING.
wow.. I Will take whatever this guy is smoking.. So he is trying to say that NATO expansion is "stability" and Serbia resisting some of the imperialist policies(although very little, Tadic is 99% US puppet) is "destabilizing"... ahahahah I love these clowns. Of Coures their NATO masters will praise as them "pro-democracy"(aka complete puppets" and others as "war criminals"(aka those who are not our puppets).
sj and rest of you Serbs keep believing in your make believe wicked fantasy's rude awakening for you on its way in so many ways on so many levels. You will wish that your criminal idiots didn't start the worst wars in Europe since WW2 to make a Greater warmongering Serbia. Croatia is ready by taking Serbia to international court. With thousands of hours secret recordings of yore Serb leaders aka war criminals planing executing the plans on the ground. Croatian forces are ready they gave you horrendous lopsided thrashing defeats http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO4ApetQPYU&feature=related. Serbs don't know went to call it quits as if your neighbours don't know how Serbia operates now with its evil subterfuge and stealing to destabilize the region as usual.
Did he forget about the Muslims usurping the Croat seat in the FBH presidency? or Albanians trying to launch an insurgency in FYROM? or North Kosovo? But what would you expect from a Thatcherite imperial stooge? better he goes back into obscurity; the empire is no longer interested in petty squabbling in Bosnia, go tell it to Ed Vulliamy.
well, I´d only ask what kind of drugs he is taking! everytime when you think it can´t be more stupid, one of these guys steps out and proves you wrong...
Little Ejup should enjoy his freedom for now, but his later years will be spent in prison. As far as NATO entrenching itself in the Balkans, it’s too late and Serbia will not only destabilize but destroy these so called countries one by one.
Look at how impotent NATO is against the Serbs in Kosovo to the point they can’t even move against them. Look at Croatia and who now controls it.
Step by step.
(sj, 4 May 2012 11:10)
Wow, so you at last openly admit that your only wish is to have new wars and thousands of deads all over our region ?? well, why not...
As to the highly frightening serbs of north kosovo, LOL, if it wasn't for well-known western restraint and for the sake of overall stability, it would take either albanians or KFOR maximum 10 min to wipe them out. But fortunately, I don't think anyone is aiming at this. they're lucky...
And as to serbia destroying all "these so called countries", you weren't able to reach that goal in the 90's with almost 2/3 of the Yugoslav Army in your hands (of course previously financed by the croats and the slovenes) and nearly 200 000 soldiers and thousands of criminal and perverse paramilitaries à la Arkan...You lost every war, one after one, leaving Serbia ridiculously small ! What make you think you can do it now with all these countries belonging to NATO or next to it and with...your now 30 000 soldiers and not even 300 tanks ?? You're match for none of those countries let alone NATO that do not even consider you as a small threat...
you already sued Serbia and failed miserably...
No sympathy left for Muslims from Bosnia in the West,twelve 9/11 terrorists were given Bosnian citizenship by your gangsters...
Since 9/11 nobody gives a hoot about Bosniaks anymore,until then you were their darling...
That is now over...
The region was destabilised when terrorists like him waged a brutal war, only to be embarrassingly humiliated on the battlefield, but then cried 'ethnic cleansing' so that NATO would come and save their sorry arses. He should enjoy his freedom while he has it, but in his lifetime there will come a point where he isn't surrounded by Islamic fundamentalists and NATO protectors, then he will pay for his crimes.
Little Ejup should enjoy his freedom for now, but his later years will be spent in prison. As far as NATO entrenching itself in the Balkans, it’s too late and Serbia will not only destabilize but destroy these so called countries one by one.
Look at how impotent NATO is against the Serbs in Kosovo to the point they can’t even move against them. Look at Croatia and who now controls it.
Step by step.
you already sued Serbia and failed miserably...
No sympathy left for Muslims from Bosnia in the West,twelve 9/11 terrorists were given Bosnian citizenship by your gangsters...
Since 9/11 nobody gives a hoot about Bosniaks anymore,until then you were their darling...
That is now over...
The region was destabilised when terrorists like him waged a brutal war, only to be embarrassingly humiliated on the battlefield, but then cried 'ethnic cleansing' so that NATO would come and save their sorry arses. He should enjoy his freedom while he has it, but in his lifetime there will come a point where he isn't surrounded by Islamic fundamentalists and NATO protectors, then he will pay for his crimes.
Little Ejup should enjoy his freedom for now, but his later years will be spent in prison. As far as NATO entrenching itself in the Balkans, it’s too late and Serbia will not only destabilize but destroy these so called countries one by one.
Look at how impotent NATO is against the Serbs in Kosovo to the point they can’t even move against them. Look at Croatia and who now controls it.
Step by step.
Did he forget about the Muslims usurping the Croat seat in the FBH presidency? or Albanians trying to launch an insurgency in FYROM? or North Kosovo? But what would you expect from a Thatcherite imperial stooge? better he goes back into obscurity; the empire is no longer interested in petty squabbling in Bosnia, go tell it to Ed Vulliamy.
@Hans - what do you call Republika Srpska? That is called winning. And what do you call a INDEPENDENT SERBIA? The greatest thing ever to happen to Serbs - ever. That they don't have to live with their neighbors who were once nazi's and whose countries are built on Serbian children's bones. Serbia is independent, NO MORE TITO, no MORE Croatians, No more Bosniaks, no more enemies in one state. THAT my friend is called WINNING.
well, I´d only ask what kind of drugs he is taking! everytime when you think it can´t be more stupid, one of these guys steps out and proves you wrong...
Little Ejup should enjoy his freedom for now, but his later years will be spent in prison. As far as NATO entrenching itself in the Balkans, it’s too late and Serbia will not only destabilize but destroy these so called countries one by one.
Look at how impotent NATO is against the Serbs in Kosovo to the point they can’t even move against them. Look at Croatia and who now controls it.
Step by step.
(sj, 4 May 2012 11:10)
Wow, so you at last openly admit that your only wish is to have new wars and thousands of deads all over our region ?? well, why not...
As to the highly frightening serbs of north kosovo, LOL, if it wasn't for well-known western restraint and for the sake of overall stability, it would take either albanians or KFOR maximum 10 min to wipe them out. But fortunately, I don't think anyone is aiming at this. they're lucky...
And as to serbia destroying all "these so called countries", you weren't able to reach that goal in the 90's with almost 2/3 of the Yugoslav Army in your hands (of course previously financed by the croats and the slovenes) and nearly 200 000 soldiers and thousands of criminal and perverse paramilitaries à la Arkan...You lost every war, one after one, leaving Serbia ridiculously small ! What make you think you can do it now with all these countries belonging to NATO or next to it and with...your now 30 000 soldiers and not even 300 tanks ?? You're match for none of those countries let alone NATO that do not even consider you as a small threat...
wow.. I Will take whatever this guy is smoking.. So he is trying to say that NATO expansion is "stability" and Serbia resisting some of the imperialist policies(although very little, Tadic is 99% US puppet) is "destabilizing"... ahahahah I love these clowns. Of Coures their NATO masters will praise as them "pro-democracy"(aka complete puppets" and others as "war criminals"(aka those who are not our puppets).
@Hans - what do you call Republika Srpska? That is called winning. And what do you call a INDEPENDENT SERBIA? The greatest thing ever to happen to Serbs - ever. That they don't have to live with their neighbors who were once nazi's and whose countries are built on Serbian children's bones. Serbia is independent, NO MORE TITO, no MORE Croatians, No more Bosniaks, no more enemies in one state. THAT my friend is called WINNING.
(Bill Rome, 4 May 2012 17:52)
Nothing like a little giggle in the morning to get your day started....
"And what do you call a INDEPENDENT SERBIA? The greatest thing ever to happen to Serbs - ever.".
Yes you are absolutely right here young Bill. Serbias independance was the result of great Serbian victories such as:
- losing the war in Slovenia
- losing the war in Croatia
- losing the war in Bosnia
- losing a war against NATO
- losing Kosovo
- losing Montenegro
- losing access to the adriatic
- losing your navy
- losing your international reputation
- losing your ICJ court case
- lowering of your standard of living
Yes Bill, any more monumental "WINNING" victories like this and Serbia's success and prosperity will be assured (!!??!!.
Now some people regret, but back then Croats, Slovenians and Albanians wanted to separate from YU and not only because of Milosevic, they just wanted to separate before he came to power. Milosevic politics was desperate reaction on increasing separatism.
(aaayyy, 5 May 2012 14:08)
=========================
True, this desire to break up Yugoslavia goes back to at least 1961.
There were Croatian terrorist camps in Australia back then. The idea was to go back and provoke a separatist movement.
This is way before Milosevic so enough of blaming him for it.
Take a look at this.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/69226252@N05/6547039659/
A bit of reading here too
So knowing how far back Croatians and others wanted to separate from Yugoslavia why do Albanians always lie about it?
It has nothing to do with Milosevic. Tito who was not a Serb and certainly not sympathetic towards the Serbs was in power and still separatists tried to make trouble.
sj and rest of you Serbs keep believing in your make believe wicked fantasy's rude awakening for you on its way in so many ways on so many levels. You will wish that your criminal idiots didn't start the worst wars in Europe since WW2 to make a Greater warmongering Serbia. Croatia is ready by taking Serbia to international court. With thousands of hours secret recordings of yore Serb leaders aka war criminals planing executing the plans on the ground. Croatian forces are ready they gave you horrendous lopsided thrashing defeats http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO4ApetQPYU&feature=related. Serbs don't know went to call it quits as if your neighbours don't know how Serbia operates now with its evil subterfuge and stealing to destabilize the region as usual.
Thank you brother!
That is the kind of answer I want to hear from all Serbs:screw Yugoslavia,we have the RS and Serbia,I know all our enemies hate it but they cant do anything about it:
Our national goal in the short run must be:
-to repair the economy so Serbs return from various countries(around 4 million Serbs in the diaspora)
- to fight the demographic crisis
- we Serbs from Montenegro will sooner or later topple Djukanovic and unite Montenegro with Serbia in one state
- to lobby for RS to join Serbia!
Kosovo has to be on the backburner for now,but sooner or later this problem will be solved too in our favour!
Our enemies had the COMPLETE WEST(Croats had Germany and the US supporting them in every way while Bosniaks and ALbanians were supported in everyway) and STILL they couldnt break us!
Even to survive in that onslaught is called victory!
If the people of Serbia was fighting the Yugoslav war, then there would be a 0% chance that the serbs would lose.
But gues what, serbs of Bosnia fought on their OWN against 3/4 enemies, Serbs of croatia were fighting alone against the croats.
That albanians became a majority in Kosovo is THX to TITO and his communists.
And also because of them they made out of TRUE serbs montenegrins...
ANd if you really want to know which people were serbs until WW1 and and most up to 1945: Racians (people who live in Serbia)
Montenegrins/Hercegovians/Dalamtians/Licianc/Sokci/Bunjevci/Slavonci/bosnjaks.
There is enough proof that until the begining of the 20th C they where 10% Serb
But because of there &****&* Religion they THINK they are not Serbian even though they Speak Serbian(sthokavian)
Again
the people in yugoslavia were and still are the same people with a different religion!
So who is loseing?
Yugoslavia had before the war a 15 Billion dollar debt
And now because of war damages/Sanctions/Debts/etc
The debt of all former YU republics goes in to the 100 billions dollar debt!
So everyone lost if those people where smarter they would have kept YU as one country.
And like bill said that serbia is independant now is the best that happend has for serbia Because the whole yugoslav politics were anti serbian from the begining.
truthiness, are you on drugs, insane, or simply are a troll that is here to harass us with factually incorrect information???
1) We did not lose a war in Slovenia. We withdrew from Slovenia and got attacked while withdrawing. You call that losing a war? May god help you.
2) Serbia did not fight in Croatia. That was a civil war, as the local Serbs over there rose up to defend themselves against the continuation of the croatian-nazi genocide.
3) We won in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Do you notice that Republika Srpska exists? Open your eyes.
4) We did not lose against NATO. We got hurt, but we did not lose. Kosovo remains part of Serbia.
5) According to the UN resolution 1244, Kosovo is part of Serbia.
6) All Montenegrins are Serbs but not all Serbs are Montenegrins.
I hope this is enough to educate you. In the meantime perhaps you might enjoy living the life of one of Serbia's neighbors. The neighbors live a miserable life, just like people in Serbia do. It's not like they're much better off... many are worse off. And at least we achieve more in terms of culture and sports. Cheers.
Yes you are absolutely right here young Bill. Serbias independance was the result of great Serbian victories such as:
- losing the war in Slovenia
THERE WAS NO WAR IN SLOVENIA. Yugoslav army did not fight back.
- losing the war in Croatia
IT WAS THE US COORDINATING THE CROATS AND SUPPORTING THEM
- losing the war in Bosnia
AGAIN, IT WAS WESTERN INTERVENTION (Bosnia was being lost).
- losing a war against NATO
YOU TRY TO FIGHT AGAINST NATO. There is no shame on the Serbs here
Only on NATO criminals who targeted mainly civilian institutions.
- losing Kosovo
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME NATO BOMBARDMENT. See above.
- losing Montenegro
THAT TRAITOR, MAFIA BOSS DJUKANOVIC DID THAT. Still Serbs there.
- losing access to the Adriatic
AS LONG AS WE HAVE SERBS IN MONTENEGRO WE CAN WORK IT OUT
- losing your navy
YOU CAN HAVE THIS ONE
- losing your international reputation
THAT’S DEBATABLE. DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ASK.
Losing your ICJ cour tcase
WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE THINK OF THE HAGUE
- lowering of your standard of living CAN’T GET ANY LOWER THAN YOURS SO STAY AWAY FROM THIS ONE
Yes Bill, any more monumental "WINNING" victories like this and Serbia's success and prosperity will be assured (!!??!!.
(truthiness, 4 May 2012 22:03)
I can tell you that Serbia will always be in a better position than you buys so don't think that you look clever by making any silly remark.
Yes Bill, any more monumental "WINNING" victories like this and Serbia's success and prosperity will be assured (!!??!!.
(truthiness, 4 May 2012 22:03)
Lets look at what you see as loses.
Slovenia – who the f… cares abolut Slovenia. Its was ca mill stone around Serbia’s neck. We had to give it our raw material and they would process it and sell then keep most of the foreign currency and give Serbia scraps. Why don’t you migrate to Slovenia ands see how well things are there.
Craotia – look very closely at Croatia and see who runs it now – its not the Croats, but the Serbs. By the time we are finished with Croatia it will look something like Stepa Stepanovic suggested in 1922. Its only the begging.
BiH – we already have 50% of it so why do we need the Bosniaks or what is left of the Croats.
Kosovo – Kosvo is going nowhere fats, but rotting like Croiatia’s navy.
NATO – considering that there were 19 countrties that attsacked Serbia and they withheld that long and in the end got the UN to control Kosovo I’m very proud of my people, but what have your done that did not require big brother to do the fighting for you?
Montenegro – even the US State Dept. call it a mafia state, but a better term is a failed state.
Adriatic – no Serbia has access to the adriartic; you need to keep up with the times. Belgrade signed and agreement with the then Montenegro leadership on buying a port so that our vehicles will travel on Serbian owned roads and railway On top it has access to the Danube and its much the same..
Navy – who gives a rats about a navy – Croatia has one and most of it is rotting in ports, no money to keep it afloat.
International Reputation – is that why EU, US and other companies are rushing to open business in Serbia? How many have opened business in Kosovo, Croatia or Slovenia??????????
ICJ – literacy amongst Albanians is a serious problem.
Living standards – well considering Serbia’s is low then how high is it in Kosovo or Albania or Romania or Bulgaria or Croatia or Slovenia????
You have no idea; have you?
(Hans, 4 May 2012 15:16)
Hans, straight from the beer halls of Munich. I am not talking about the 1990s but 2012+. If your NATO was that strong why didn’t it use force to crush the Serbs inMitrovica recently during the barricades???????
You think that all wars are fought with soldiers? This one will be fought with something even deadlier than bullets; it’s called money and you would never understand it anyway. But remember Hans I kept on tellingg you guys about the recession never leaving the EU and boy was I right.
Hans it’s too complex to explain to you plus I’ll be taking you away from your stein of beer. Just go and get drunk and enjoy yourself.
But Slovenians, Croats and Albanians don't think that Yugoslavia's disintegration was a fault, they believe it was a blessing.
(aaayyy, 4 May 2012 15:37)
Go ask the Slovenes what they now think of breaking away from Yugoslavia – many now openly say it was a better life playing in the second division than coming last in the Premier league. You should see on Tito’s birthday the every growing numbers attending the celebrations in Croatia and they are mostly young people. This year I watched as a 23 year old Croat said that “what is the point of this independent Croatia when there are no jobs and no future? In the old Yugo pay was not high but everyone had a job and life was good” These are their words not mine – I hope it never returns to that again.
(Lenard, 4 May 2012 17:37)
Lenny as I said it before if you pull it hard enough it will come off. You Croat forces only killed old people, women and children much like what they did in central Bosnia where they murdered defenseless Bosnaiks some even burnt alive in cellars.
You most capable general was Gotovina – a private in the French foreign legion. Look very carefully how Bleiberg is being swept under the carpet by Milanovic and Josipovic.
Lenard before operation storm began the Serbian military or Yugoslav army pulled out of those regions. Why didn’t they try it before? The motto of the Croat army – piss and wind.
"As far as NATO entrenching itself in the Balkans, it’s too late and Serbia will not only destabilize but destroy these so called countries one by one.
Step by step."
(sj, 4 May 2012 11:10)
Some people never learn, obviously. Not from history Germans had to make during WW2, and not even from their own past. What have all the wars and the worst atrocities after WW2 in the Balkans brought to Serbs? Did they benefit at least from the 100,000s of people killed? Not really! Instead of a 'greater Serbia', 10,000s of Serbs were expelled from places that were their home for decades/centuries. Or they left (more or less) voluntarily. Great results, indeed.
Go ask the Slovenes what they now think of breaking away from Yugoslavia – many now openly say it was a better life playing in the second division than coming last in the Premier league. You should see on Tito’s birthday the every growing numbers attending the celebrations in Croatia and they are mostly young people. This year I watched as a 23 year old Croat said that “what is the point of this independent Croatia when there are no jobs and no future? In the old Yugo pay was not high but everyone had a job and life was good” These are their words not mine – I hope it never returns to that again.
(Lenard, 4 May 2012 17:37)
Now some people regret, but back then Croats, Slovenians and Albanians wanted to separate from YU and not only because of Milosevic, they just wanted to separate before he came to power. Milosevic politics was desperate reaction on increasing separatism.
"Yes Bill, any more monumental "WINNING" victories like this and Serbia's success and prosperity will be assured (!!??!!."
(truthiness, 4 May 2012 22:03)
Ridiculous, indeed. Maybe Bill wants to 'win' in Kosovo, too: Serbs are relocated to some smaller villages in the north and expelled from all other towns in the southern part. Then they don't have to live with their unwanted neighbors any more, and everyone is happy (or not).
Little Ejup should enjoy his freedom for now, but his later years will be spent in prison. As far as NATO entrenching itself in the Balkans, it’s too late and Serbia will not only destabilize but destroy these so called countries one by one.
Look at how impotent NATO is against the Serbs in Kosovo to the point they can’t even move against them. Look at Croatia and who now controls it.
Step by step.
(sj, 4 May 2012 11:10)
Wow, so you at last openly admit that your only wish is to have new wars and thousands of deads all over our region ?? well, why not...
As to the highly frightening serbs of north kosovo, LOL, if it wasn't for well-known western restraint and for the sake of overall stability, it would take either albanians or KFOR maximum 10 min to wipe them out. But fortunately, I don't think anyone is aiming at this. they're lucky...
And as to serbia destroying all "these so called countries", you weren't able to reach that goal in the 90's with almost 2/3 of the Yugoslav Army in your hands (of course previously financed by the croats and the slovenes) and nearly 200 000 soldiers and thousands of criminal and perverse paramilitaries à la Arkan...You lost every war, one after one, leaving Serbia ridiculously small ! What make you think you can do it now with all these countries belonging to NATO or next to it and with...your now 30 000 soldiers and not even 300 tanks ?? You're match for none of those countries let alone NATO that do not even consider you as a small threat...
sj and rest of you Serbs keep believing in your make believe wicked fantasy's rude awakening for you on its way in so many ways on so many levels. You will wish that your criminal idiots didn't start the worst wars in Europe since WW2 to make a Greater warmongering Serbia. Croatia is ready by taking Serbia to international court. With thousands of hours secret recordings of yore Serb leaders aka war criminals planing executing the plans on the ground. Croatian forces are ready they gave you horrendous lopsided thrashing defeats http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO4ApetQPYU&feature=related. Serbs don't know went to call it quits as if your neighbours don't know how Serbia operates now with its evil subterfuge and stealing to destabilize the region as usual.
Little Ejup should enjoy his freedom for now, but his later years will be spent in prison. As far as NATO entrenching itself in the Balkans, it’s too late and Serbia will not only destabilize but destroy these so called countries one by one.
Look at how impotent NATO is against the Serbs in Kosovo to the point they can’t even move against them. Look at Croatia and who now controls it.
Step by step.
The region was destabilised when terrorists like him waged a brutal war, only to be embarrassingly humiliated on the battlefield, but then cried 'ethnic cleansing' so that NATO would come and save their sorry arses. He should enjoy his freedom while he has it, but in his lifetime there will come a point where he isn't surrounded by Islamic fundamentalists and NATO protectors, then he will pay for his crimes.
@Hans - what do you call Republika Srpska? That is called winning. And what do you call a INDEPENDENT SERBIA? The greatest thing ever to happen to Serbs - ever. That they don't have to live with their neighbors who were once nazi's and whose countries are built on Serbian children's bones. Serbia is independent, NO MORE TITO, no MORE Croatians, No more Bosniaks, no more enemies in one state. THAT my friend is called WINNING.
(Bill Rome, 4 May 2012 17:52)
Nothing like a little giggle in the morning to get your day started....
"And what do you call a INDEPENDENT SERBIA? The greatest thing ever to happen to Serbs - ever.".
Yes you are absolutely right here young Bill. Serbias independance was the result of great Serbian victories such as:
- losing the war in Slovenia
- losing the war in Croatia
- losing the war in Bosnia
- losing a war against NATO
- losing Kosovo
- losing Montenegro
- losing access to the adriatic
- losing your navy
- losing your international reputation
- losing your ICJ court case
- lowering of your standard of living
Yes Bill, any more monumental "WINNING" victories like this and Serbia's success and prosperity will be assured (!!??!!.
you already sued Serbia and failed miserably...
No sympathy left for Muslims from Bosnia in the West,twelve 9/11 terrorists were given Bosnian citizenship by your gangsters...
Since 9/11 nobody gives a hoot about Bosniaks anymore,until then you were their darling...
That is now over...
@Hans - what do you call Republika Srpska? That is called winning. And what do you call a INDEPENDENT SERBIA? The greatest thing ever to happen to Serbs - ever. That they don't have to live with their neighbors who were once nazi's and whose countries are built on Serbian children's bones. Serbia is independent, NO MORE TITO, no MORE Croatians, No more Bosniaks, no more enemies in one state. THAT my friend is called WINNING.
well, I´d only ask what kind of drugs he is taking! everytime when you think it can´t be more stupid, one of these guys steps out and proves you wrong...
Did he forget about the Muslims usurping the Croat seat in the FBH presidency? or Albanians trying to launch an insurgency in FYROM? or North Kosovo? But what would you expect from a Thatcherite imperial stooge? better he goes back into obscurity; the empire is no longer interested in petty squabbling in Bosnia, go tell it to Ed Vulliamy.
wow.. I Will take whatever this guy is smoking.. So he is trying to say that NATO expansion is "stability" and Serbia resisting some of the imperialist policies(although very little, Tadic is 99% US puppet) is "destabilizing"... ahahahah I love these clowns. Of Coures their NATO masters will praise as them "pro-democracy"(aka complete puppets" and others as "war criminals"(aka those who are not our puppets).
truthiness, are you on drugs, insane, or simply are a troll that is here to harass us with factually incorrect information???
1) We did not lose a war in Slovenia. We withdrew from Slovenia and got attacked while withdrawing. You call that losing a war? May god help you.
2) Serbia did not fight in Croatia. That was a civil war, as the local Serbs over there rose up to defend themselves against the continuation of the croatian-nazi genocide.
3) We won in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Do you notice that Republika Srpska exists? Open your eyes.
4) We did not lose against NATO. We got hurt, but we did not lose. Kosovo remains part of Serbia.
5) According to the UN resolution 1244, Kosovo is part of Serbia.
6) All Montenegrins are Serbs but not all Serbs are Montenegrins.
I hope this is enough to educate you. In the meantime perhaps you might enjoy living the life of one of Serbia's neighbors. The neighbors live a miserable life, just like people in Serbia do. It's not like they're much better off... many are worse off. And at least we achieve more in terms of culture and sports. Cheers.
If the people of Serbia was fighting the Yugoslav war, then there would be a 0% chance that the serbs would lose.
But gues what, serbs of Bosnia fought on their OWN against 3/4 enemies, Serbs of croatia were fighting alone against the croats.
That albanians became a majority in Kosovo is THX to TITO and his communists.
And also because of them they made out of TRUE serbs montenegrins...
ANd if you really want to know which people were serbs until WW1 and and most up to 1945: Racians (people who live in Serbia)
Montenegrins/Hercegovians/Dalamtians/Licianc/Sokci/Bunjevci/Slavonci/bosnjaks.
There is enough proof that until the begining of the 20th C they where 10% Serb
But because of there &****&* Religion they THINK they are not Serbian even though they Speak Serbian(sthokavian)
Again
the people in yugoslavia were and still are the same people with a different religion!
So who is loseing?
Yugoslavia had before the war a 15 Billion dollar debt
And now because of war damages/Sanctions/Debts/etc
The debt of all former YU republics goes in to the 100 billions dollar debt!
So everyone lost if those people where smarter they would have kept YU as one country.
And like bill said that serbia is independant now is the best that happend has for serbia Because the whole yugoslav politics were anti serbian from the begining.
Yes you are absolutely right here young Bill. Serbias independance was the result of great Serbian victories such as:
- losing the war in Slovenia
THERE WAS NO WAR IN SLOVENIA. Yugoslav army did not fight back.
- losing the war in Croatia
IT WAS THE US COORDINATING THE CROATS AND SUPPORTING THEM
- losing the war in Bosnia
AGAIN, IT WAS WESTERN INTERVENTION (Bosnia was being lost).
- losing a war against NATO
YOU TRY TO FIGHT AGAINST NATO. There is no shame on the Serbs here
Only on NATO criminals who targeted mainly civilian institutions.
- losing Kosovo
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME NATO BOMBARDMENT. See above.
- losing Montenegro
THAT TRAITOR, MAFIA BOSS DJUKANOVIC DID THAT. Still Serbs there.
- losing access to the Adriatic
AS LONG AS WE HAVE SERBS IN MONTENEGRO WE CAN WORK IT OUT
- losing your navy
YOU CAN HAVE THIS ONE
- losing your international reputation
THAT’S DEBATABLE. DEPENDS ON WHO YOU ASK.
Losing your ICJ cour tcase
WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE THINK OF THE HAGUE
- lowering of your standard of living CAN’T GET ANY LOWER THAN YOURS SO STAY AWAY FROM THIS ONE
Yes Bill, any more monumental "WINNING" victories like this and Serbia's success and prosperity will be assured (!!??!!.
(truthiness, 4 May 2012 22:03)
I can tell you that Serbia will always be in a better position than you buys so don't think that you look clever by making any silly remark.
"Yes Bill, any more monumental "WINNING" victories like this and Serbia's success and prosperity will be assured (!!??!!."
(truthiness, 4 May 2012 22:03)
Ridiculous, indeed. Maybe Bill wants to 'win' in Kosovo, too: Serbs are relocated to some smaller villages in the north and expelled from all other towns in the southern part. Then they don't have to live with their unwanted neighbors any more, and everyone is happy (or not).
Now some people regret, but back then Croats, Slovenians and Albanians wanted to separate from YU and not only because of Milosevic, they just wanted to separate before he came to power. Milosevic politics was desperate reaction on increasing separatism.
(aaayyy, 5 May 2012 14:08)
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True, this desire to break up Yugoslavia goes back to at least 1961.
There were Croatian terrorist camps in Australia back then. The idea was to go back and provoke a separatist movement.
This is way before Milosevic so enough of blaming him for it.
Take a look at this.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/69226252@N05/6547039659/
A bit of reading here too
So knowing how far back Croatians and others wanted to separate from Yugoslavia why do Albanians always lie about it?
It has nothing to do with Milosevic. Tito who was not a Serb and certainly not sympathetic towards the Serbs was in power and still separatists tried to make trouble.
"As far as NATO entrenching itself in the Balkans, it’s too late and Serbia will not only destabilize but destroy these so called countries one by one.
Step by step."
(sj, 4 May 2012 11:10)
Some people never learn, obviously. Not from history Germans had to make during WW2, and not even from their own past. What have all the wars and the worst atrocities after WW2 in the Balkans brought to Serbs? Did they benefit at least from the 100,000s of people killed? Not really! Instead of a 'greater Serbia', 10,000s of Serbs were expelled from places that were their home for decades/centuries. Or they left (more or less) voluntarily. Great results, indeed.
Yes Bill, any more monumental "WINNING" victories like this and Serbia's success and prosperity will be assured (!!??!!.
(truthiness, 4 May 2012 22:03)
Lets look at what you see as loses.
Slovenia – who the f… cares abolut Slovenia. Its was ca mill stone around Serbia’s neck. We had to give it our raw material and they would process it and sell then keep most of the foreign currency and give Serbia scraps. Why don’t you migrate to Slovenia ands see how well things are there.
Craotia – look very closely at Croatia and see who runs it now – its not the Croats, but the Serbs. By the time we are finished with Croatia it will look something like Stepa Stepanovic suggested in 1922. Its only the begging.
BiH – we already have 50% of it so why do we need the Bosniaks or what is left of the Croats.
Kosovo – Kosvo is going nowhere fats, but rotting like Croiatia’s navy.
NATO – considering that there were 19 countrties that attsacked Serbia and they withheld that long and in the end got the UN to control Kosovo I’m very proud of my people, but what have your done that did not require big brother to do the fighting for you?
Montenegro – even the US State Dept. call it a mafia state, but a better term is a failed state.
Adriatic – no Serbia has access to the adriartic; you need to keep up with the times. Belgrade signed and agreement with the then Montenegro leadership on buying a port so that our vehicles will travel on Serbian owned roads and railway On top it has access to the Danube and its much the same..
Navy – who gives a rats about a navy – Croatia has one and most of it is rotting in ports, no money to keep it afloat.
International Reputation – is that why EU, US and other companies are rushing to open business in Serbia? How many have opened business in Kosovo, Croatia or Slovenia??????????
ICJ – literacy amongst Albanians is a serious problem.
Living standards – well considering Serbia’s is low then how high is it in Kosovo or Albania or Romania or Bulgaria or Croatia or Slovenia????
You have no idea; have you?
(Hans, 4 May 2012 15:16)
Hans, straight from the beer halls of Munich. I am not talking about the 1990s but 2012+. If your NATO was that strong why didn’t it use force to crush the Serbs inMitrovica recently during the barricades???????
You think that all wars are fought with soldiers? This one will be fought with something even deadlier than bullets; it’s called money and you would never understand it anyway. But remember Hans I kept on tellingg you guys about the recession never leaving the EU and boy was I right.
Hans it’s too complex to explain to you plus I’ll be taking you away from your stein of beer. Just go and get drunk and enjoy yourself.
But Slovenians, Croats and Albanians don't think that Yugoslavia's disintegration was a fault, they believe it was a blessing.
(aaayyy, 4 May 2012 15:37)
Go ask the Slovenes what they now think of breaking away from Yugoslavia – many now openly say it was a better life playing in the second division than coming last in the Premier league. You should see on Tito’s birthday the every growing numbers attending the celebrations in Croatia and they are mostly young people. This year I watched as a 23 year old Croat said that “what is the point of this independent Croatia when there are no jobs and no future? In the old Yugo pay was not high but everyone had a job and life was good” These are their words not mine – I hope it never returns to that again.
(Lenard, 4 May 2012 17:37)
Lenny as I said it before if you pull it hard enough it will come off. You Croat forces only killed old people, women and children much like what they did in central Bosnia where they murdered defenseless Bosnaiks some even burnt alive in cellars.
You most capable general was Gotovina – a private in the French foreign legion. Look very carefully how Bleiberg is being swept under the carpet by Milanovic and Josipovic.
Lenard before operation storm began the Serbian military or Yugoslav army pulled out of those regions. Why didn’t they try it before? The motto of the Croat army – piss and wind.
Go ask the Slovenes what they now think of breaking away from Yugoslavia – many now openly say it was a better life playing in the second division than coming last in the Premier league. You should see on Tito’s birthday the every growing numbers attending the celebrations in Croatia and they are mostly young people. This year I watched as a 23 year old Croat said that “what is the point of this independent Croatia when there are no jobs and no future? In the old Yugo pay was not high but everyone had a job and life was good” These are their words not mine – I hope it never returns to that again.
(Lenard, 4 May 2012 17:37)
Now some people regret, but back then Croats, Slovenians and Albanians wanted to separate from YU and not only because of Milosevic, they just wanted to separate before he came to power. Milosevic politics was desperate reaction on increasing separatism.
Thank you brother!
That is the kind of answer I want to hear from all Serbs:screw Yugoslavia,we have the RS and Serbia,I know all our enemies hate it but they cant do anything about it:
Our national goal in the short run must be:
-to repair the economy so Serbs return from various countries(around 4 million Serbs in the diaspora)
- to fight the demographic crisis
- we Serbs from Montenegro will sooner or later topple Djukanovic and unite Montenegro with Serbia in one state
- to lobby for RS to join Serbia!
Kosovo has to be on the backburner for now,but sooner or later this problem will be solved too in our favour!
Our enemies had the COMPLETE WEST(Croats had Germany and the US supporting them in every way while Bosniaks and ALbanians were supported in everyway) and STILL they couldnt break us!
Even to survive in that onslaught is called victory!
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