EU dissatisfied with electoral reform in Kosovo

“The last two electoral processes in Kosovo were accompanied by major irregularities, such as stealing of votes, multiple voting by one person and many other irregularities identified by the EU election monitoring team,” Žbogar's office said.

Yes, and ironically, the current prime minister belongs to the party which was mainly responsible for all these things. Well, that's the rule of (mafia) law present in Kosovo. Other people, other habits. Isn't it expecting too much to think Kosovo Albanians who are only loyal to their own clans could adapt to basic rules of democracy and European standards?

All members of the EU seem surprised by the electoral corruption in Prishtina.

However, Serbia isn't shocked at all.

@Demi,

When did Kosova get bombed????????? I must have been in a deep deep sleep and missed it.

What I did not miss is Serbia (which includes Kosovo) getting bombed by Nato for 78 days in an illegal bombing campaign against a sovereign country which never left it's own borders to attack someone instead defended within it's own borders.

Boris

"Compare Serbia to Sweden wich also has been independent for 200 years and notice the difference on all aspects."

Demi

You may do the same comparison between Albania and Somalia and notice that Somalia is way way ahead of Albania.

Are you swedish? If not then stop taking credit for something that is not yours. You are comparing Sweden to Serbia! Sweden haven't fought a war in over 200 years. Sweden wasn't illegaly bombed by the worlds most powerful military alliance for 78 days. Serbia is far from the most perfect country in the world. However, compared to Albanian dominated territories then Serbia is freakin' paradise on earth.

Yes, and ironically, the current prime minister belongs to the party which was mainly responsible for all these things. Well, that's the rule of (mafia) law present in Kosovo. Other people, other habits. Isn't it expecting too much to think Kosovo Albanians who are only loyal to their own clans could adapt to basic rules of democracy and European standards?
(Comm. Parrisson, 20 April 2012 09:33)

You shoulden't be bothered. We can solve our own problems. It's not like Serbia is an paradise on earth exacly ?

Kosova is only 4 years old and we got bombed more than Serbia so you have no excuse for your misery. Serbia has been independent for 200 years and still people live in poverty. Where is your rule of democracy an european standards ?

Compare Serbia to Sweden wich also has been independent for 200 years and notice the difference on all aspects.

I rest my case against western political and administrative leadership. I have time and time again posted that the west has a serious flaw in its political/genetic makeup in that it lives in a different world to the rest of us. An illiterate blind beggar in Pakistan can see this flaw but these people are incapable of locating their noses on their faces.
Naturally the so called electoral system in Kosovo is flawed – it has taken them more than a decade for the EU to find this out????? What is the next revelation? That the Afghanistan/Iraq adventure was a mistake? Little wonder the west is sinking faster than a rock in a swimming pool.
Up to the 1960s we had administrators that were capable people, but today it seems political stooges and appointees run the race and this is the result – stating the bleeding obvious after billions of Euros has been spent on democratizing Kosovo.

Compare Serbia to Sweden wich also has been independent for 200 years and notice the difference on all aspects.
(Demi, 20 April 2012 11:00)

Demi,

Seems you've got your facts mixed up a bit. Sweden hasn't BEEN AT WAR for 200 years. Now, maybe that helps you explain some of the differences between Serbia and Sweden.

Cheers,

Carl

(MikeC, 20 April 2012 13:10)

Ok then! Sweden avoided war.
But compare it to Norway or Denmark wich had war and got bombed by Nazi Germany. Or let's say Poland ? Why not Croatia then wich got bombed by Serbia in the 90's ??

What's the excuse ? The 78 days legal bombing on Serbia to save the people in Kosova from another Bosnia tragedy ?

There haven't been a war on serbian territory sice WW2. There is no big difference between Albania,Macedonia and Serbia. I have visit all this countrys so you propaganda cannot hit me. When it comes to Kosova yes it is lacking behind a little bit but it's no wonder when we had the whole serbian military attacking us and destroying 80 % of our infrastructure.

If Albania is like Somalia then why aren't Serbia much better ??

The only Election Law Reform in South Kosovo* that is of any benefit to Continental Europe is that those Non Albanian Communities in south Kosovo* are allowed to Vote for Candidates of their in Local Elections, where Non Albanians are the only ones with a chance of winning in those Municipal Elections.

The rest of Kosovo only want to and will only Vote for the 1878 League of Prizren Political Party, or another 1878 League of Prizren Political Party, or another 1878 League of Prizren Political Party, etc, and so any suggestion of Electoral Reform for Albanians is a complete and utter waste of time.

It could be Tadic and Company have made an Agreement to allow a few hundred Serbian Police in North Kosovo for three weeks only, to oversee the Local Elections in North Kosovo.

UNMIK, EULEX, and NATO should not waste time to help Serbia reintegrate Kosovo back to Serbia, and there will never be a time that Kosovo Albanians will be happy with that, and therefore UNMIK, EULEX, and NATO should not waste time, but they should send the Kosovo Albanians, and all other Albanians a peaceful and friendly signal, that Real Democracy and Full Reintegration of Kosovo back to Serbia is coming soon to South Kosovo*, because it is the Right Thing for Continental Europe.

"...Kosovo Albanians who are only loyal to their own clans could adapt to basic rules of democracy and European standards?
(Comm. Parrisson, 20 April 2012 09:33)

Did you mean Serbian standards? Ask the Serbian prosecutors...if you can't check an article few days ago here at B92.....

When did Kosova get bombed????????? I must have been in a deep deep sleep and missed it.
(Boris, 20 April 2012 12:35)

Seems so.

@ demi

Your infrastructure? HAHAHA that's the joke of the day. You mean all the Serbian infrastructure you stole? Nothing there belongs to you demi, nothing.

"Compare Serbia to Sweden wich also has been independent for 200 years and notice the difference on all aspects."
(Demi, 20 April 2012 11:00)

Correction- Serbia as a state is over 800 years old. Serbia was not enjoyed the freedom that Sweden has had over the past 600 years. Sweden did not loose over 22% of it's population in two World Wars, and survive a genocide like Serbia. Leave Serbia out of your territorial wars for 50 years, and we shall see what growth can look like. As a civilization, Serbia developed and contributed a vast amount to the civilized world.

All that donor money seems to have gone to Thaci's ugly mansion instead of improving the rule of law. No wonder northern Kosovo wants nothing to do with these knuckleheads :)

Demi, your comment is hilarious. First you suggest Albanians are some of the most capable people in the Balkans, but now you need to find an excuse for something you clearly have no answer for. What's your excuse? Something that happened more than 10 years ago? Need I remind you Kosovo has been under international protection which has been potty training its leadership to be civilized Europeans? You still going to use the war as a reason for your problems in another 10 years? How does getting bombed make you incapable of voting the right way?

Ratko,

I guess you serbs owned our albanian lives too?

Yugoslavia was not serbian land. By your logic you serbs own everything in former Yugoslav country's.

Get it in your head Ratko, Kosova is build up by albanians living in f.Yugoslavia. Not Serbia! We owe nothing to Serbia. Serbia owe us for destroying our land and our infrastructure.

Another point - Kosova is only 4 years old and we got bombed more than Serbia so you have no excuse for your misery.
What is your excuse of backwardeness of Albanians in motherland? they have enjoyed the benefits of islamic supremacy by siding with Ottomans for hundreds of yrs and afterwards their independence? why don`t you extract anything from your "illyrian high civilization" - you would be mln light years ahead of barbarians?

It could be Tadic and Company have made an Agreement to allow a few hundred Serbian Police in North Kosovo for three weeks only, to oversee the Local Elections in North Kosovo.

UNMIK, EULEX, and NATO should not waste time to help Serbia reintegrate Kosovo back to Serbia, and there will never be a time that Kosovo Albanians will be happy with that, and therefore UNMIK, EULEX, and NATO should not waste time, but they should send the Kosovo Albanians, and all other Albanians a peaceful and friendly signal, that Real Democracy and Full Reintegration of Kosovo back to Serbia is coming soon to South Kosovo*, because it is the Right Thing for Continental Europe.
(Yet Another J S, 20 April 2012 11:30)
Tadic cannot send police into Kosovo for the reasons you state, he could request personnel into Kosovo for the following reasons only:
Liaison with the international civil mission and the international security presence;
Marking/clearing minefields;
Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites;
Maintaining a presence at key border crossings.
None of which is overseeing elections.
The last paragraph is what it is just fantasy as reintegration with Serbia in not in danger of happening in our lifetime. Who knows what the future brings possibly Serbia merging into becomeing a part of Kosovo, just as likely as your idea.

Leave Serbia out of your territorial wars for 50 years, and we shall see what growth can look like. As a civilization, Serbia developed and contributed a vast amount to the civilized world.
(Vuk, 20 April 2012 16:47)
Could not tell whether this was a naive Serb trying to defend Serbia or a sarcastic Albanian trying to highlight that Serbia is its own worst enemy. Considering that it is Serbia that has sponsored most of the territorial wars over the last 50 years.

Naturally the so called electoral system in Kosovo is flawed – it has taken them more than a decade for the EU to find this out?????
sj,
Interesting comment considering that the Kosovo electoral system is less than 3 years old. Before 2009 elections were run and sponsored by UNMIK/OSCE and before that Serbia or rather Serbia's denying Kosovo the right to elections for non Serbs

Up to the 1960s we had administrators that were capable people, but today it seems political stooges and appointees run the race and this is the result – stating the bleeding obvious after billions of Euros has been spent on democratizing Kosovo.
(sj, 20 April 2012 11:15)


sj,

The 1960's were, indeed, the heyday of Yugoslavia, with a competent government structure . What Serbia needs is another Tito to salvage what is left of Serbia. I do agree that Serbia has more than its share of corrupt political stooges, however, it has no one to blame but itself.

As for the "billions" of Euros spent on democratizing Kosova, this is not any of your concern unless Serbia has contributed to the euros spent. If Serbia ever gains admission to the EU, then it can put in its two cents. However, Serbia will probably not gain membership to the EU until after Kosova does.

"However, Serbia will probably not gain membership to the EU until after Kosova does.
(The Count of Kosova, 20 April 2012 23:22)"

Wow! Just think of all those body organs that you guys will stand to harvest once you have a free run inside the EU as a member!!!!!! You must be so estatic and just bating your breath for that day to come!!! ...... And then ironically the Serbians might just decide to pass up on their membership for the sake of the integrity of their own organs1!!! Ha ha ha!!!

Yugoslavia was not serbian land. By your logic you serbs own everything in former Yugoslav country's.

Get it in your head Ratko, Kosova is build up by albanians living in f.Yugoslavia. Not Serbia! We owe nothing to Serbia. Serbia owe us for destroying our land and our infrastructure.


Excuse me but Serbs LIBERATED the whole of Yugoslavia and your country ALBANIA after WW1!!!

IT was stupid that the Serbs were nice and wanted to help their fellow slavs!!
If it were for me I would give the Croats and Slovens the BOOT! and accept the deal with the Italians and Austrians Slavonia/South Dalamatia/ Kraijna/Northern Albania + Vojvodina as a Serbian state and not a Yugoslav state.

About Kosovo
Well all Serbs were expelled out of Kosovo, constantly continuing since the 15th C.....
when in 1900 Podujevo for example was ethnically mixed, in 1991 it was 97% Albanian!!
1879 in Kosovo lived over 300k Serbs to about 160k albanians..

And in 1910 the Serbs dropped to 100K...
And that kosovo was build up?
It was the black hole of YU!
And what is it now?
Even worse!!!

The 1960's were, indeed, the heyday of Yugoslavia, with a competent government structure . What Serbia needs is another Tito to salvage what is left of Serbia. I do agree that Serbia has more than its share of corrupt political stooges, however, it has no one to blame but itself.

As for the "billions" of Euros spent on democratizing Kosova, this is not any of your concern unless Serbia has contributed to the euros spent. If Serbia ever gains admission to the EU, then it can put in its two cents. However, Serbia will probably not gain membership to the EU until after Kosova does.
(The Count of Kosova, 20 April 2012 23:22)

I was talking about the west not Yugoslavia. As an Albanian defending Pristina and using the word corruption, you must be talking about an Albanian-run Kosovo in another dimension. Hey the guy critising here is a man from the west and not a Serb – you do understand this fact?
“Serbia will probably not gain membership to the EU”
I am not religious, but from your lips to God’s ears.
Read up on the very recent demonstrations in Slovenia and why there is now trouble in paradise – here is a hint for you, NO MORE MONEY. Now if that is happening in Slovenia what are Kosovo’s chances of surviving with only EU handouts?
Your coming back to mother Serbia and they are screwing you big time mate, but the westerns are not bad at that and the only time you guys will feel it is when the breeze is blowing and you wonder why you are cold and naked. But if you see it differently tell me where is the money coming from to sustain Kosovo? Where is the industry to employ the Albanians currently out of work so taxes can be raised? Where is Ford, GM or Microsoft or any German companies or Renault etc????????? Where????
“If Serbia ever gains admission to the EU, then it can put in its two cents”
Perhaps it has not jelled with on you that B92 is a Serbian media outlet – you do not see SJ making comments on the Pristina-run outlet. Do you?

Get it in your head Ratko, Kosova is build up by albanians living in f.Yugoslavia. Not Serbia! We owe nothing to Serbia. Serbia owe us for destroying our land and our infrastructure.
(Demi, 20 April 2012 19:27)
This is an example of wild dreams some people have. Serbia bombed its own land and destroyed infrastructure??? Are you for real? NATO destroyed what little infrastructure there was in Kosovo and NATO dropped bombs indiscriminately not the Serbs. It was NATO that dropped all those depleted unranium bombs in Kosovo that are still there and killing your Albanians in large numbers from cancers, but they are dying with freedom and democracy in their hearts and the west does not like to publish this fact too much.
By the way you Albanians built nothing in Kosovo. Yugoslav workers would work regularly on Saturdays with all pay towards “the development of Kosovo” – go on ask the Croats or Slovenes. That’s who built what little there was prior to 1999. What has the west built since 1999????

Interesting comment considering that the Kosovo electoral system is less than 3 years old. Before 2009 elections were run and sponsored by UNMIK/OSCE and before that Serbia or rather Serbia's denying Kosovo the right to elections for non Serbs
(think again, 20 April 2012 17:22)
You mean that the Albanians need a hundred years to learn how to run an election honestly? I suggest you read the article again and see who is critising this system – not a Serb but a representative of the group that spent billions on trying to bring this democracy to Kosovo.

"Interesting comment considering that the Kosovo electoral system is less than 3 years old. Before 2009 elections were run and sponsored by UNMIK/OSCE and before that Serbia ..."
(think again, 20 April 2012 17:22)

And interestingly, the elections before, organized by UNMIK, didn't show these massive irregularities. This only appeared after UNMIK transferred some responsibility to Kosovo institutions. Draw your own conclusions why it was like that - I did draw mine.

You mean that the Albanians need a hundred years to learn how to run an election honestly? I suggest you read the article again and see who is critising this system – not a Serb but a representative of the group that spent billions on trying to bring this democracy to Kosovo.
(sj, 21 April 2012 08:28)
No my response was in relation to someone claiming it took 10 years for the EU to discover something that has only been happening 3 years. But since you mention it I doubt that any new democracy has had perfect elections in its beginning. Of course some of your heros never will get it right, what about those Russian elections.
And of course when irregularities were pointed out by International observers they were corrected to the observers satisfaction with repeat elections.
It should not take a hundred years but it does take time for anyone or any country to fix problems. After all there is a learning curve as Kosovo's exposure to running a govt came from Serbia and it will take time to realize that corruption is not the NORM.

(think again, 21 April 2012 13:16)

As I said previously, the EU knew the difficulties in bringing democracy to Kosovo a decade ago and well aware of the problems that are now apparent where corruption is the norm and where you kill anyone that poses a danger to existing holders of office. The EU was well aware who and what Thaci was then and is today – a person who killed his own people at the behest of the US by helping William Walker kill those 40 villagers and then blame the Serbs. How many have disappeared who wanted to testify against Thaci????
Those so called outside observers in Russia during the Russian elections that claimed that the elections were irregular also declared the Georgian elections free and fair despite some of the worst vote rigging ever, but they were rigged democratically, just like what is happening in Bahrain where police kill demonstrators and the mighty United States of Windbags keeps quiet because the US ally kills with democracy in their hearts.
To stop corruption in Kosovo action should have been taken from the start, today it’s too late as it has seeped into all levels and is now entrenched beyond reform. That is what Samuel Žbogar is saying. Privately, even other EU members are saying the same thing. Not even 100 years would help.

Yes, and ironically, the current prime minister belongs to the party which was mainly responsible for all these things. Well, that's the rule of (mafia) law present in Kosovo. Other people, other habits. Isn't it expecting too much to think Kosovo Albanians who are only loyal to their own clans could adapt to basic rules of democracy and European standards?
(Comm. Parrisson, 20 April 2012 09:33)

You shoulden't be bothered. We can solve our own problems. It's not like Serbia is an paradise on earth exacly ?

Kosova is only 4 years old and we got bombed more than Serbia so you have no excuse for your misery. Serbia has been independent for 200 years and still people live in poverty. Where is your rule of democracy an european standards ?

Compare Serbia to Sweden wich also has been independent for 200 years and notice the difference on all aspects.

"...Kosovo Albanians who are only loyal to their own clans could adapt to basic rules of democracy and European standards?
(Comm. Parrisson, 20 April 2012 09:33)

Did you mean Serbian standards? Ask the Serbian prosecutors...if you can't check an article few days ago here at B92.....

Ratko,

I guess you serbs owned our albanian lives too?

Yugoslavia was not serbian land. By your logic you serbs own everything in former Yugoslav country's.

Get it in your head Ratko, Kosova is build up by albanians living in f.Yugoslavia. Not Serbia! We owe nothing to Serbia. Serbia owe us for destroying our land and our infrastructure.

“The last two electoral processes in Kosovo were accompanied by major irregularities, such as stealing of votes, multiple voting by one person and many other irregularities identified by the EU election monitoring team,” Žbogar's office said.

Yes, and ironically, the current prime minister belongs to the party which was mainly responsible for all these things. Well, that's the rule of (mafia) law present in Kosovo. Other people, other habits. Isn't it expecting too much to think Kosovo Albanians who are only loyal to their own clans could adapt to basic rules of democracy and European standards?

All members of the EU seem surprised by the electoral corruption in Prishtina.

However, Serbia isn't shocked at all.

Another point - Kosova is only 4 years old and we got bombed more than Serbia so you have no excuse for your misery.
What is your excuse of backwardeness of Albanians in motherland? they have enjoyed the benefits of islamic supremacy by siding with Ottomans for hundreds of yrs and afterwards their independence? why don`t you extract anything from your "illyrian high civilization" - you would be mln light years ahead of barbarians?

@Demi,

When did Kosova get bombed????????? I must have been in a deep deep sleep and missed it.

What I did not miss is Serbia (which includes Kosovo) getting bombed by Nato for 78 days in an illegal bombing campaign against a sovereign country which never left it's own borders to attack someone instead defended within it's own borders.

Boris

(MikeC, 20 April 2012 13:10)

Ok then! Sweden avoided war.
But compare it to Norway or Denmark wich had war and got bombed by Nazi Germany. Or let's say Poland ? Why not Croatia then wich got bombed by Serbia in the 90's ??

What's the excuse ? The 78 days legal bombing on Serbia to save the people in Kosova from another Bosnia tragedy ?

There haven't been a war on serbian territory sice WW2. There is no big difference between Albania,Macedonia and Serbia. I have visit all this countrys so you propaganda cannot hit me. When it comes to Kosova yes it is lacking behind a little bit but it's no wonder when we had the whole serbian military attacking us and destroying 80 % of our infrastructure.

If Albania is like Somalia then why aren't Serbia much better ??

"Compare Serbia to Sweden wich also has been independent for 200 years and notice the difference on all aspects."

Demi

You may do the same comparison between Albania and Somalia and notice that Somalia is way way ahead of Albania.

Are you swedish? If not then stop taking credit for something that is not yours. You are comparing Sweden to Serbia! Sweden haven't fought a war in over 200 years. Sweden wasn't illegaly bombed by the worlds most powerful military alliance for 78 days. Serbia is far from the most perfect country in the world. However, compared to Albanian dominated territories then Serbia is freakin' paradise on earth.

When did Kosova get bombed????????? I must have been in a deep deep sleep and missed it.
(Boris, 20 April 2012 12:35)

Seems so.

Up to the 1960s we had administrators that were capable people, but today it seems political stooges and appointees run the race and this is the result – stating the bleeding obvious after billions of Euros has been spent on democratizing Kosovo.
(sj, 20 April 2012 11:15)


sj,

The 1960's were, indeed, the heyday of Yugoslavia, with a competent government structure . What Serbia needs is another Tito to salvage what is left of Serbia. I do agree that Serbia has more than its share of corrupt political stooges, however, it has no one to blame but itself.

As for the "billions" of Euros spent on democratizing Kosova, this is not any of your concern unless Serbia has contributed to the euros spent. If Serbia ever gains admission to the EU, then it can put in its two cents. However, Serbia will probably not gain membership to the EU until after Kosova does.

I rest my case against western political and administrative leadership. I have time and time again posted that the west has a serious flaw in its political/genetic makeup in that it lives in a different world to the rest of us. An illiterate blind beggar in Pakistan can see this flaw but these people are incapable of locating their noses on their faces.
Naturally the so called electoral system in Kosovo is flawed – it has taken them more than a decade for the EU to find this out????? What is the next revelation? That the Afghanistan/Iraq adventure was a mistake? Little wonder the west is sinking faster than a rock in a swimming pool.
Up to the 1960s we had administrators that were capable people, but today it seems political stooges and appointees run the race and this is the result – stating the bleeding obvious after billions of Euros has been spent on democratizing Kosovo.

@ demi

Your infrastructure? HAHAHA that's the joke of the day. You mean all the Serbian infrastructure you stole? Nothing there belongs to you demi, nothing.

The only Election Law Reform in South Kosovo* that is of any benefit to Continental Europe is that those Non Albanian Communities in south Kosovo* are allowed to Vote for Candidates of their in Local Elections, where Non Albanians are the only ones with a chance of winning in those Municipal Elections.

The rest of Kosovo only want to and will only Vote for the 1878 League of Prizren Political Party, or another 1878 League of Prizren Political Party, or another 1878 League of Prizren Political Party, etc, and so any suggestion of Electoral Reform for Albanians is a complete and utter waste of time.

It could be Tadic and Company have made an Agreement to allow a few hundred Serbian Police in North Kosovo for three weeks only, to oversee the Local Elections in North Kosovo.

UNMIK, EULEX, and NATO should not waste time to help Serbia reintegrate Kosovo back to Serbia, and there will never be a time that Kosovo Albanians will be happy with that, and therefore UNMIK, EULEX, and NATO should not waste time, but they should send the Kosovo Albanians, and all other Albanians a peaceful and friendly signal, that Real Democracy and Full Reintegration of Kosovo back to Serbia is coming soon to South Kosovo*, because it is the Right Thing for Continental Europe.

Compare Serbia to Sweden wich also has been independent for 200 years and notice the difference on all aspects.
(Demi, 20 April 2012 11:00)

Demi,

Seems you've got your facts mixed up a bit. Sweden hasn't BEEN AT WAR for 200 years. Now, maybe that helps you explain some of the differences between Serbia and Sweden.

Cheers,

Carl

It could be Tadic and Company have made an Agreement to allow a few hundred Serbian Police in North Kosovo for three weeks only, to oversee the Local Elections in North Kosovo.

UNMIK, EULEX, and NATO should not waste time to help Serbia reintegrate Kosovo back to Serbia, and there will never be a time that Kosovo Albanians will be happy with that, and therefore UNMIK, EULEX, and NATO should not waste time, but they should send the Kosovo Albanians, and all other Albanians a peaceful and friendly signal, that Real Democracy and Full Reintegration of Kosovo back to Serbia is coming soon to South Kosovo*, because it is the Right Thing for Continental Europe.
(Yet Another J S, 20 April 2012 11:30)
Tadic cannot send police into Kosovo for the reasons you state, he could request personnel into Kosovo for the following reasons only:
Liaison with the international civil mission and the international security presence;
Marking/clearing minefields;
Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites;
Maintaining a presence at key border crossings.
None of which is overseeing elections.
The last paragraph is what it is just fantasy as reintegration with Serbia in not in danger of happening in our lifetime. Who knows what the future brings possibly Serbia merging into becomeing a part of Kosovo, just as likely as your idea.

"Compare Serbia to Sweden wich also has been independent for 200 years and notice the difference on all aspects."
(Demi, 20 April 2012 11:00)

Correction- Serbia as a state is over 800 years old. Serbia was not enjoyed the freedom that Sweden has had over the past 600 years. Sweden did not loose over 22% of it's population in two World Wars, and survive a genocide like Serbia. Leave Serbia out of your territorial wars for 50 years, and we shall see what growth can look like. As a civilization, Serbia developed and contributed a vast amount to the civilized world.

Leave Serbia out of your territorial wars for 50 years, and we shall see what growth can look like. As a civilization, Serbia developed and contributed a vast amount to the civilized world.
(Vuk, 20 April 2012 16:47)
Could not tell whether this was a naive Serb trying to defend Serbia or a sarcastic Albanian trying to highlight that Serbia is its own worst enemy. Considering that it is Serbia that has sponsored most of the territorial wars over the last 50 years.

Yugoslavia was not serbian land. By your logic you serbs own everything in former Yugoslav country's.

Get it in your head Ratko, Kosova is build up by albanians living in f.Yugoslavia. Not Serbia! We owe nothing to Serbia. Serbia owe us for destroying our land and our infrastructure.


Excuse me but Serbs LIBERATED the whole of Yugoslavia and your country ALBANIA after WW1!!!

IT was stupid that the Serbs were nice and wanted to help their fellow slavs!!
If it were for me I would give the Croats and Slovens the BOOT! and accept the deal with the Italians and Austrians Slavonia/South Dalamatia/ Kraijna/Northern Albania + Vojvodina as a Serbian state and not a Yugoslav state.

About Kosovo
Well all Serbs were expelled out of Kosovo, constantly continuing since the 15th C.....
when in 1900 Podujevo for example was ethnically mixed, in 1991 it was 97% Albanian!!
1879 in Kosovo lived over 300k Serbs to about 160k albanians..

And in 1910 the Serbs dropped to 100K...
And that kosovo was build up?
It was the black hole of YU!
And what is it now?
Even worse!!!

"However, Serbia will probably not gain membership to the EU until after Kosova does.
(The Count of Kosova, 20 April 2012 23:22)"

Wow! Just think of all those body organs that you guys will stand to harvest once you have a free run inside the EU as a member!!!!!! You must be so estatic and just bating your breath for that day to come!!! ...... And then ironically the Serbians might just decide to pass up on their membership for the sake of the integrity of their own organs1!!! Ha ha ha!!!

Naturally the so called electoral system in Kosovo is flawed – it has taken them more than a decade for the EU to find this out?????
sj,
Interesting comment considering that the Kosovo electoral system is less than 3 years old. Before 2009 elections were run and sponsored by UNMIK/OSCE and before that Serbia or rather Serbia's denying Kosovo the right to elections for non Serbs

All that donor money seems to have gone to Thaci's ugly mansion instead of improving the rule of law. No wonder northern Kosovo wants nothing to do with these knuckleheads :)

Demi, your comment is hilarious. First you suggest Albanians are some of the most capable people in the Balkans, but now you need to find an excuse for something you clearly have no answer for. What's your excuse? Something that happened more than 10 years ago? Need I remind you Kosovo has been under international protection which has been potty training its leadership to be civilized Europeans? You still going to use the war as a reason for your problems in another 10 years? How does getting bombed make you incapable of voting the right way?

The 1960's were, indeed, the heyday of Yugoslavia, with a competent government structure . What Serbia needs is another Tito to salvage what is left of Serbia. I do agree that Serbia has more than its share of corrupt political stooges, however, it has no one to blame but itself.

As for the "billions" of Euros spent on democratizing Kosova, this is not any of your concern unless Serbia has contributed to the euros spent. If Serbia ever gains admission to the EU, then it can put in its two cents. However, Serbia will probably not gain membership to the EU until after Kosova does.
(The Count of Kosova, 20 April 2012 23:22)

I was talking about the west not Yugoslavia. As an Albanian defending Pristina and using the word corruption, you must be talking about an Albanian-run Kosovo in another dimension. Hey the guy critising here is a man from the west and not a Serb – you do understand this fact?
“Serbia will probably not gain membership to the EU”
I am not religious, but from your lips to God’s ears.
Read up on the very recent demonstrations in Slovenia and why there is now trouble in paradise – here is a hint for you, NO MORE MONEY. Now if that is happening in Slovenia what are Kosovo’s chances of surviving with only EU handouts?
Your coming back to mother Serbia and they are screwing you big time mate, but the westerns are not bad at that and the only time you guys will feel it is when the breeze is blowing and you wonder why you are cold and naked. But if you see it differently tell me where is the money coming from to sustain Kosovo? Where is the industry to employ the Albanians currently out of work so taxes can be raised? Where is Ford, GM or Microsoft or any German companies or Renault etc????????? Where????
“If Serbia ever gains admission to the EU, then it can put in its two cents”
Perhaps it has not jelled with on you that B92 is a Serbian media outlet – you do not see SJ making comments on the Pristina-run outlet. Do you?

Get it in your head Ratko, Kosova is build up by albanians living in f.Yugoslavia. Not Serbia! We owe nothing to Serbia. Serbia owe us for destroying our land and our infrastructure.
(Demi, 20 April 2012 19:27)
This is an example of wild dreams some people have. Serbia bombed its own land and destroyed infrastructure??? Are you for real? NATO destroyed what little infrastructure there was in Kosovo and NATO dropped bombs indiscriminately not the Serbs. It was NATO that dropped all those depleted unranium bombs in Kosovo that are still there and killing your Albanians in large numbers from cancers, but they are dying with freedom and democracy in their hearts and the west does not like to publish this fact too much.
By the way you Albanians built nothing in Kosovo. Yugoslav workers would work regularly on Saturdays with all pay towards “the development of Kosovo” – go on ask the Croats or Slovenes. That’s who built what little there was prior to 1999. What has the west built since 1999????

Interesting comment considering that the Kosovo electoral system is less than 3 years old. Before 2009 elections were run and sponsored by UNMIK/OSCE and before that Serbia or rather Serbia's denying Kosovo the right to elections for non Serbs
(think again, 20 April 2012 17:22)
You mean that the Albanians need a hundred years to learn how to run an election honestly? I suggest you read the article again and see who is critising this system – not a Serb but a representative of the group that spent billions on trying to bring this democracy to Kosovo.

"Interesting comment considering that the Kosovo electoral system is less than 3 years old. Before 2009 elections were run and sponsored by UNMIK/OSCE and before that Serbia ..."
(think again, 20 April 2012 17:22)

And interestingly, the elections before, organized by UNMIK, didn't show these massive irregularities. This only appeared after UNMIK transferred some responsibility to Kosovo institutions. Draw your own conclusions why it was like that - I did draw mine.

You mean that the Albanians need a hundred years to learn how to run an election honestly? I suggest you read the article again and see who is critising this system – not a Serb but a representative of the group that spent billions on trying to bring this democracy to Kosovo.
(sj, 21 April 2012 08:28)
No my response was in relation to someone claiming it took 10 years for the EU to discover something that has only been happening 3 years. But since you mention it I doubt that any new democracy has had perfect elections in its beginning. Of course some of your heros never will get it right, what about those Russian elections.
And of course when irregularities were pointed out by International observers they were corrected to the observers satisfaction with repeat elections.
It should not take a hundred years but it does take time for anyone or any country to fix problems. After all there is a learning curve as Kosovo's exposure to running a govt came from Serbia and it will take time to realize that corruption is not the NORM.

(think again, 21 April 2012 13:16)

As I said previously, the EU knew the difficulties in bringing democracy to Kosovo a decade ago and well aware of the problems that are now apparent where corruption is the norm and where you kill anyone that poses a danger to existing holders of office. The EU was well aware who and what Thaci was then and is today – a person who killed his own people at the behest of the US by helping William Walker kill those 40 villagers and then blame the Serbs. How many have disappeared who wanted to testify against Thaci????
Those so called outside observers in Russia during the Russian elections that claimed that the elections were irregular also declared the Georgian elections free and fair despite some of the worst vote rigging ever, but they were rigged democratically, just like what is happening in Bahrain where police kill demonstrators and the mighty United States of Windbags keeps quiet because the US ally kills with democracy in their hearts.
To stop corruption in Kosovo action should have been taken from the start, today it’s too late as it has seeped into all levels and is now entrenched beyond reform. That is what Samuel Žbogar is saying. Privately, even other EU members are saying the same thing. Not even 100 years would help.