"SNS could betray Serbia like they betrayed Šešelj"

EA, without making a little list for you, the Kosovo status is frozen, Belgrade does not govern it, but neither does Pristina, therefore, Mr. Jeremic is in the right by saying that Serbia is fighting for its territorial integrity. There is no denying that its sovereignty has been imposed upon by certain world powers, but the diplomatic fight continues. As for the SNS, these guys cannot be trusted. They did give Seselj out by distancing themselves from him and the Radical party, and came up with this progressive mutation. No one really knows what they stand for, not even them probably, except that they want to get cushy seats in government. I am not a big DS supporter, but Toma, and this unappealing Vucic, are certainly not the way to go.

I definately don't want the DS to get in, but this statement is just too true.

"When it comes to the issue of territorial integrity, it is my opinion that this country must not give in - because if we do, that (Kosovo) will not be the last attempt to tear our country apart."

Now one simple question for Vuk Jeremic. What is his understanding of term "territorial integrity".

1-Being check when you have to cross a border? You can call it "administrative" border if you like.

2-Can not sent the Serbian state police/army in part of "your own" territory.

3-Can not dismiss "local" authorities if acting against the Serbian constitution.

Need more arguments? Let me known.

When it comes to further international recognitions it is a process it might take longer than expected BUT can you tell us how that does help re-integration of Kosovo into Serbia and its claim on territorial integrity?

Thank you!

A so called independent Kosovo is the bastard child of the US and even after 13 years very little progress has been made on their part.
The Serbs are playing for time and it looks like the tide is turning. The GFC is probable the best thing that has happened for the Serbs as it has slowed down the west to an almost crawl. The EU is officially in another recession, as if it left the last one, and this one will heavily impact the US as America’s biggest trading partner is the EU. The forecast for the US is a sharp increase on the already existing level of unemployment and even greater borrowings and even greater pressure on the US budget. The EU in some ways is just as bad as it has its own economic problems such as Ireland, Portugal and Spain waiting in the queue.
As this crises deepens the Kosovo issue becomes less and less of a concern for both the US and EU. It is not by coincidence that the EU is hurrying these negotiations between Belgrade and Pristina. They need a resolution very, very soon and this was highlighted by Tahiri’s comment that Pristina has had to sign agreements that are not in their favor otherwise internationals would turn their back on them.
It matters not whether Serbia can or cannot send in its army or police into Kosovo as Kosovo is not a real state - it does not have much of the trappings of a state. No matter how hard the Albanians argue that UN membership is not an issue, it is. No matter how hard they argue that its of no consequence that Kosovo has to carry a little plaque every meeting it attends telling one and all it under resolution 1244. Kosovo is unable to finance its own government so all the money comes from Brussels.
Kosovo is nothing as Pristina cannot control the Serbs in the north and they do as they please. The Serbs block roads leading to these administrative crossings and use others that leave UMNIK and their friends twiddling their thumbs at the official crossings. Tadic would love to sell out the Serbs in Kosovo and get another Iron Cross, maybe first class this time, but he cannot and he knows it. That little incident where the Serb police turned back Serbs from Kosovo crossing into Serbia proper was a one only event for the media. After the cameras left its now business as usual.

It is not true to say that the SNS betrayed Vojislav Seselj, because certain Members of the SRS had a disagreement over certain things, and thought that it was better to create a different Political Party.

In my opinion, anyone in Vojislav Seselj’s position, should not have been Leader of a Political Party, because it was not wise in my opinion, even though everyone is supposed to be presumed innocent until found otherwise with a fair trial in an unbiased Court of Law.

It would have been wise for the SRS and for Vojislav Seselj to be the Opposition spokesperson on the Environment, and to have had his own Website and published a book on the Environment , and he would have had all the Environmentalists of al the different Countries telling the World the truth as regards Serbia.

I even suggested these things on several occasions at a different Website, but I guess that was too radical for some of the former Radicals.

I even suggested that the Radicals change their name to something different, because the word Radical has changed its meaning and it does not sound good in English, which is the Language of the current World Power.

It could be that some of the former Radicals agreed with this, and they created a different Party, or it could be that they did all of this, because they thought it was the right thing to do.

With regards the ICTY at The Hague, I think their policy is that every Serb will be presumed Guilty until declared Guilty by a Kangaroo Court.

There was always going to be Many Countries who would not have recognized Kosovo, and they view those Countries Leaders who Betrayed United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 as War Criminals who should be at a Proper Court.

The DS wants to give Kosovo away, and they were only looking for the right time, and tis is proven by the contrived question to the ICJ that was designed to allow the Political Judges to say what the said.

It was further shown by the Government’s response to the ICJ pronouncement with the Motion they put to the United Nations General Assembly, about making progress toward the European Union, while the European Union demanded Kosovo for any such progress.

Jeremic calling the SNS an unknown entity sounds like something the American State Department would have coached him to say.

It is simply not true that the SNS are unknown, and would the DS led Government say that the Opposition must always be in Opposition, because they have not been in Government.

This is the American version of Pseudo Democracy, and the Serbian Voters should take their Country back from Foreign Sponsored Candidates.

"During the past four years Kosovo was expected to confirm its statehood, because it enjoyed active support from the most powerful (countries), but, contrary to all expectations, this did not happen, because our diplomatic stance in international circles was such to work and prevent it," he stated, and stressed that Serbia must never give in when it comes to Kosovo.

Too much of honor for yourself, Mr. Jeremic. Aside of the few more recognitions bought by Paccoli from corrupt politicians of tropical islands and African kingdoms, not much changed. The countries that thought it would be wise to recognize Kosovo already did so, the countries that did not recognized Kosovo did so because of the general international principle of preserving territorial integrity of recognized states and not to allow some ethnic minority to proclaim new states. Did someone really think the (non-)ruling of the ICJ (a proclamation of an UDI is legal for any group of people, but has no consequences for the statehood) would have an influence? And of course none of the countries revoked their recognition (thought I think some of them surely regret their hasty decision, looking at what was been created instead of the planned 'multi-ethnic and democratic' Kosovo.)

SNS COULD betray Serbia wherease the DS HAS & CONTINUOUSLY betrays Serbia.

Ask serbs in bg and they'll tell you.


Sincerely,

And, yes, the non-aligned countries (btw what does that mean ?!) gathered in Belgrade. And what was the result beside spending the money of the poor Serbia's taxpayers ? The only practical result was that after the gathering other 7 non-aligned members recognized Kosovo - that's why Kosovo Albanians continue to see Vuk as the main factor for the promotion of Kosovo's UDI especially after his great performance at the ICJ and valuable contributions like the ones above.
(icj1, 11 April 2012 05:37)

Same old stuff over and over. Ever try and get a pay cheque for an IUD? So how how much industry has the west brought to Kosovo? Where is Ford, GM, Seimens, VW or BMW? When you answer this question then you will stop living in pixyland. The same Russia and China have stopped the bastard child of the US in its tracks.
Ah yes the ICJ decision, when lost for proper argument out comes the ICJ – yes the ICJ proclaimed that Kosovo was half pregnant with a still-born child.

"Did someone really think the (non-)ruling of the ICJ (a proclamation of an UDI is legal for any group of people, but has no consequences for the statehood) would have an influence?"

Jeremic certainly did. A lot. It blew in his face in the end. And in the faces of those who supported Serbia at the court. Like Spain for example. For they indirectly lost too, their position was judged to be incorrect. Back to Jeremic, I remember like it was yesterday the joy on his face when the UNGA voted to send that question to the ICJ. He jumped from the chair and started hugging all the Serbian delegation, the people around, the janitors at the UN and everybody on the way back home. However, at that time he was expecting a different answer from what he actually got. I remember also the build up of expectations in the months preceding the ruling. Every day one or two Serb politicians were talking about how good life would be after Serbia won that ruling. Only to later say something along the lines of: "Did someone really think the (non-)ruling of the ICJ (a proclamation of an UDI is legal for any group of people, but has no consequences for the statehood) would have an influence?". The more "realistic" ones were saying it is going to be neutral. Surprise, surprise. Pure entertainment :).

SNS would never betray their citizens like DS betray every man and woman in Serbia!

sj, such bitterness, almost like the rantings of a team of poor sportsmen leaving a game they just lost.
(heyhey, 11 April 2012 14:15)
I have never known a game, as you call it, that has rules which only go half way. Can you imagine in a game of football a player trips his opponent and the referee decrees that it is against the rules but tells them to play on. The ICJ declared that the act of proclaiming independence was not illegal, but it NEVER declared Kosovo independent – law my little friend is a very precise language for obvious reasons. But this may have eluded most of your lot.
Hey still waiting on those industries that have relocated to Kosovo LOL.

"Jeremić added that in that time, Serbia became candidate for EU membership - moreover, "one with important strategic partnership with China, Russia's support at the (UN) Security Council, the first Western Balkans country to preside over the OSCE, that is capable of gathering the Non-Aligned in Belgrade".

Woow, interesting way of measuring results... Yes, Serbia has the support of China and Russia in the USNC. And then what ? What is the result of that for Serbia ? Was Serbia able to have 1244 repealed so that:

- Serbia's army can return to Kosovo
- Serbia could organize elections in Kosovo
- NATO would end its occupation of Kosovo
- Customs checks from Kosovo's Customs be removed
- Kosovo's UDI could not a UNSC resolution to be in accordance with

etc... all things that can only be achieved when Russia and China, these great Serbia allies, are able to repeal 1244 in the UNSC, the same 1244 that they let pass despite Serbia pleading to the contrary almost 13 years ago.

And, yes, the non-aligned countries (btw what does that mean ?!) gathered in Belgrade. And what was the result beside spending the money of the poor Serbia's taxpayers ? The only practical result was that after the gathering other 7 non-aligned members recognized Kosovo - that's why Kosovo Albanians continue to see Vuk as the main factor for the promotion of Kosovo's UDI especially after his great performance at the ICJ and valuable contributions like the ones above.

Ah yes the ICJ decision, when lost for proper argument out comes the ICJ – yes the ICJ proclaimed that Kosovo was half pregnant with a still-born child.
(sj, 11 April 2012 10:59)
sj, such bitterness, almost like the rantings of a team of poor sportsmen leaving a game they just lost.

SNS have a program like no one party in Serbia!
They would stop political`s unprofessional employment in state institutions in country, criminal events and ect....
They have a huge support and they will be the next government party, you`ll see!

"When it comes to the issue of territorial integrity, it is my opinion that this country must not give in - because if we do, that (Kosovo) will not be the last attempt to tear our country apart."

Now one simple question for Vuk Jeremic. What is his understanding of term "territorial integrity".

1-Being check when you have to cross a border? You can call it "administrative" border if you like.

2-Can not sent the Serbian state police/army in part of "your own" territory.

3-Can not dismiss "local" authorities if acting against the Serbian constitution.

Need more arguments? Let me known.

When it comes to further international recognitions it is a process it might take longer than expected BUT can you tell us how that does help re-integration of Kosovo into Serbia and its claim on territorial integrity?

Thank you!

SNS COULD betray Serbia wherease the DS HAS & CONTINUOUSLY betrays Serbia.

Ask serbs in bg and they'll tell you.


Sincerely,

A so called independent Kosovo is the bastard child of the US and even after 13 years very little progress has been made on their part.
The Serbs are playing for time and it looks like the tide is turning. The GFC is probable the best thing that has happened for the Serbs as it has slowed down the west to an almost crawl. The EU is officially in another recession, as if it left the last one, and this one will heavily impact the US as America’s biggest trading partner is the EU. The forecast for the US is a sharp increase on the already existing level of unemployment and even greater borrowings and even greater pressure on the US budget. The EU in some ways is just as bad as it has its own economic problems such as Ireland, Portugal and Spain waiting in the queue.
As this crises deepens the Kosovo issue becomes less and less of a concern for both the US and EU. It is not by coincidence that the EU is hurrying these negotiations between Belgrade and Pristina. They need a resolution very, very soon and this was highlighted by Tahiri’s comment that Pristina has had to sign agreements that are not in their favor otherwise internationals would turn their back on them.
It matters not whether Serbia can or cannot send in its army or police into Kosovo as Kosovo is not a real state - it does not have much of the trappings of a state. No matter how hard the Albanians argue that UN membership is not an issue, it is. No matter how hard they argue that its of no consequence that Kosovo has to carry a little plaque every meeting it attends telling one and all it under resolution 1244. Kosovo is unable to finance its own government so all the money comes from Brussels.
Kosovo is nothing as Pristina cannot control the Serbs in the north and they do as they please. The Serbs block roads leading to these administrative crossings and use others that leave UMNIK and their friends twiddling their thumbs at the official crossings. Tadic would love to sell out the Serbs in Kosovo and get another Iron Cross, maybe first class this time, but he cannot and he knows it. That little incident where the Serb police turned back Serbs from Kosovo crossing into Serbia proper was a one only event for the media. After the cameras left its now business as usual.

EA, without making a little list for you, the Kosovo status is frozen, Belgrade does not govern it, but neither does Pristina, therefore, Mr. Jeremic is in the right by saying that Serbia is fighting for its territorial integrity. There is no denying that its sovereignty has been imposed upon by certain world powers, but the diplomatic fight continues. As for the SNS, these guys cannot be trusted. They did give Seselj out by distancing themselves from him and the Radical party, and came up with this progressive mutation. No one really knows what they stand for, not even them probably, except that they want to get cushy seats in government. I am not a big DS supporter, but Toma, and this unappealing Vucic, are certainly not the way to go.

It is not true to say that the SNS betrayed Vojislav Seselj, because certain Members of the SRS had a disagreement over certain things, and thought that it was better to create a different Political Party.

In my opinion, anyone in Vojislav Seselj’s position, should not have been Leader of a Political Party, because it was not wise in my opinion, even though everyone is supposed to be presumed innocent until found otherwise with a fair trial in an unbiased Court of Law.

It would have been wise for the SRS and for Vojislav Seselj to be the Opposition spokesperson on the Environment, and to have had his own Website and published a book on the Environment , and he would have had all the Environmentalists of al the different Countries telling the World the truth as regards Serbia.

I even suggested these things on several occasions at a different Website, but I guess that was too radical for some of the former Radicals.

I even suggested that the Radicals change their name to something different, because the word Radical has changed its meaning and it does not sound good in English, which is the Language of the current World Power.

It could be that some of the former Radicals agreed with this, and they created a different Party, or it could be that they did all of this, because they thought it was the right thing to do.

With regards the ICTY at The Hague, I think their policy is that every Serb will be presumed Guilty until declared Guilty by a Kangaroo Court.

There was always going to be Many Countries who would not have recognized Kosovo, and they view those Countries Leaders who Betrayed United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 as War Criminals who should be at a Proper Court.

The DS wants to give Kosovo away, and they were only looking for the right time, and tis is proven by the contrived question to the ICJ that was designed to allow the Political Judges to say what the said.

It was further shown by the Government’s response to the ICJ pronouncement with the Motion they put to the United Nations General Assembly, about making progress toward the European Union, while the European Union demanded Kosovo for any such progress.

Jeremic calling the SNS an unknown entity sounds like something the American State Department would have coached him to say.

It is simply not true that the SNS are unknown, and would the DS led Government say that the Opposition must always be in Opposition, because they have not been in Government.

This is the American version of Pseudo Democracy, and the Serbian Voters should take their Country back from Foreign Sponsored Candidates.

"During the past four years Kosovo was expected to confirm its statehood, because it enjoyed active support from the most powerful (countries), but, contrary to all expectations, this did not happen, because our diplomatic stance in international circles was such to work and prevent it," he stated, and stressed that Serbia must never give in when it comes to Kosovo.

Too much of honor for yourself, Mr. Jeremic. Aside of the few more recognitions bought by Paccoli from corrupt politicians of tropical islands and African kingdoms, not much changed. The countries that thought it would be wise to recognize Kosovo already did so, the countries that did not recognized Kosovo did so because of the general international principle of preserving territorial integrity of recognized states and not to allow some ethnic minority to proclaim new states. Did someone really think the (non-)ruling of the ICJ (a proclamation of an UDI is legal for any group of people, but has no consequences for the statehood) would have an influence? And of course none of the countries revoked their recognition (thought I think some of them surely regret their hasty decision, looking at what was been created instead of the planned 'multi-ethnic and democratic' Kosovo.)

"Did someone really think the (non-)ruling of the ICJ (a proclamation of an UDI is legal for any group of people, but has no consequences for the statehood) would have an influence?"

Jeremic certainly did. A lot. It blew in his face in the end. And in the faces of those who supported Serbia at the court. Like Spain for example. For they indirectly lost too, their position was judged to be incorrect. Back to Jeremic, I remember like it was yesterday the joy on his face when the UNGA voted to send that question to the ICJ. He jumped from the chair and started hugging all the Serbian delegation, the people around, the janitors at the UN and everybody on the way back home. However, at that time he was expecting a different answer from what he actually got. I remember also the build up of expectations in the months preceding the ruling. Every day one or two Serb politicians were talking about how good life would be after Serbia won that ruling. Only to later say something along the lines of: "Did someone really think the (non-)ruling of the ICJ (a proclamation of an UDI is legal for any group of people, but has no consequences for the statehood) would have an influence?". The more "realistic" ones were saying it is going to be neutral. Surprise, surprise. Pure entertainment :).

"Jeremić added that in that time, Serbia became candidate for EU membership - moreover, "one with important strategic partnership with China, Russia's support at the (UN) Security Council, the first Western Balkans country to preside over the OSCE, that is capable of gathering the Non-Aligned in Belgrade".

Woow, interesting way of measuring results... Yes, Serbia has the support of China and Russia in the USNC. And then what ? What is the result of that for Serbia ? Was Serbia able to have 1244 repealed so that:

- Serbia's army can return to Kosovo
- Serbia could organize elections in Kosovo
- NATO would end its occupation of Kosovo
- Customs checks from Kosovo's Customs be removed
- Kosovo's UDI could not a UNSC resolution to be in accordance with

etc... all things that can only be achieved when Russia and China, these great Serbia allies, are able to repeal 1244 in the UNSC, the same 1244 that they let pass despite Serbia pleading to the contrary almost 13 years ago.

And, yes, the non-aligned countries (btw what does that mean ?!) gathered in Belgrade. And what was the result beside spending the money of the poor Serbia's taxpayers ? The only practical result was that after the gathering other 7 non-aligned members recognized Kosovo - that's why Kosovo Albanians continue to see Vuk as the main factor for the promotion of Kosovo's UDI especially after his great performance at the ICJ and valuable contributions like the ones above.

And, yes, the non-aligned countries (btw what does that mean ?!) gathered in Belgrade. And what was the result beside spending the money of the poor Serbia's taxpayers ? The only practical result was that after the gathering other 7 non-aligned members recognized Kosovo - that's why Kosovo Albanians continue to see Vuk as the main factor for the promotion of Kosovo's UDI especially after his great performance at the ICJ and valuable contributions like the ones above.
(icj1, 11 April 2012 05:37)

Same old stuff over and over. Ever try and get a pay cheque for an IUD? So how how much industry has the west brought to Kosovo? Where is Ford, GM, Seimens, VW or BMW? When you answer this question then you will stop living in pixyland. The same Russia and China have stopped the bastard child of the US in its tracks.
Ah yes the ICJ decision, when lost for proper argument out comes the ICJ – yes the ICJ proclaimed that Kosovo was half pregnant with a still-born child.

I definately don't want the DS to get in, but this statement is just too true.

Ah yes the ICJ decision, when lost for proper argument out comes the ICJ – yes the ICJ proclaimed that Kosovo was half pregnant with a still-born child.
(sj, 11 April 2012 10:59)
sj, such bitterness, almost like the rantings of a team of poor sportsmen leaving a game they just lost.

sj, such bitterness, almost like the rantings of a team of poor sportsmen leaving a game they just lost.
(heyhey, 11 April 2012 14:15)
I have never known a game, as you call it, that has rules which only go half way. Can you imagine in a game of football a player trips his opponent and the referee decrees that it is against the rules but tells them to play on. The ICJ declared that the act of proclaiming independence was not illegal, but it NEVER declared Kosovo independent – law my little friend is a very precise language for obvious reasons. But this may have eluded most of your lot.
Hey still waiting on those industries that have relocated to Kosovo LOL.

SNS would never betray their citizens like DS betray every man and woman in Serbia!

SNS have a program like no one party in Serbia!
They would stop political`s unprofessional employment in state institutions in country, criminal events and ect....
They have a huge support and they will be the next government party, you`ll see!