EU mediator calls on Belgrade, Priština to be "responsible"

Mr. EU facilitator, if the countries you represent had acted responsibly back in the late 90's, this mess in KiM today could have been avoided. Instead of sitting all parties involved at the bargaining table back then, and honestly tried to find solutions and compromises suitable to all, you came up with a proposal at Rambouillet that you knew would lead to the bombing of the ex-Yugoslavia that Washington wanted. Please name one place in the world where Western intervention has led to a peaceful outcome, just one?

The guy below me is blaming others for belgrade's actions.

The word of the day: pathetic

Sincerely,

Please name one place in the world where Western intervention has led to a peaceful outcome, just one?
(ecoman, 30 March 2012 13:43)

Western countries do not have to intervene everywhere in the world unless asked....

What you suggest for West to have allowed Kosovo to be cleansed by the Serbian state and by doing so "give a lesson" to all the dictators in the world "do whatever you wish with "your" people...

What Serbian state has done to the other nations in former Yugoslavia was unimmaginable for the West....

What do you think about Al Asaad of Syria, I am very curious to know what the Serbian commentators think?

Can you see guys what in two different worlds the Serbs and Albanians live?

Mr. EU facilitator, if the countries you represent had acted responsibly back in the late 90's, this mess in KiM today could have been avoided. Instead of sitting all parties involved at the bargaining table back then, and honestly tried to find solutions and compromises suitable to all, you came up with a proposal at Rambouillet that you knew would lead to the bombing of the ex-Yugoslavia that Washington wanted. Please name one place in the world where Western intervention has led to a peaceful outcome, just one?
(ecoman, 30 March 2012 13:43)
In other words if you would have accepted the Milosevic plan for the balkans....
Actually if once they knew that it was going to take force to end the threat in Kosovo, they would have committed to nothing less than an unconditional surrender, both Serbia and Kosovo would be decades ahead of where they are today.

If serbs wanted to get rid of albanians why didin't they do so before the bombs began to fall?
(MikeC, 30 March 2012 17:15)

They did...it is all evidenced....just google it "War in Kosovo" and you will find loads of evidence. We live in a modern world and the history can NOT be twisted any more....

"Calling for the implementation of the agreements the two sides have reached so far, Cooper pointed to a view by the EU that political problems should be resolved through dialogue and negotiations, rather than through a selective law implementation."

Yes, that's what it is: Selective law implementation. Though I wonder if it can be called 'law implementation' at all when people are arrested for 'carrying voter lists'. Only comparable to the (not-so democratic Islamist country) Turkey where opposition politicians and journalists are arrested for similar reasons (obstructing the constitution, planning a subversion, insulting Turkdom and similar fabricated accusations).

Furthermore, it would be better if KPS would do the ordinary police job like their colleagues do in other countries and arrest real criminals, like all the drug lords working in Kosovo*, Europe's main drug hub.

"What you suggest for West to have allowed Kosovo to be cleansed by the Serbian state "
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I would suggest for West to advice their Albanian friends to stop their rebellion for Kosovo independence and to stop their provocations against Serbian police

"What you suggest for West to have allowed Kosovo to be cleansed by the Serbian state..."

EA

Oh please! Cleansing began with NATO airstrikes. If serbs wanted to get rid of albanians why didin't they do so before the bombs began to fall?

"They did...it is all evidenced....just google it "War in Kosovo" and you will find loads of evidence. We live in a modern world and the history can NOT be twisted any more...."

EA

If its all over the internet why didn't you provide us with at least one link that shows how serbs expelled albanians before the war broke out?
I wonder if albanians know about the internet since they never provide links to their outrageous claims.

Are the Albanians still trumpeting the same old bullcrap that no one can still actually prove? That the state of Serbia (FR Yugoslavia) officially planned, sanctioned and carried out any form of ethnic cleansing on the Albanian population in Kosovo?

You realize no one else in the wider world actually buys that crap or even really care? It's only the various Balkanite buddies of yours, mainly Croats and Bosniaks that would happily join in on your little parade. Think about it, when was the last time even some 'EU official' brought it up? You'd think stuff like that would stick.

You can reference Račak all you like, even if you could prove that it was a criminal attack on civilians you still wouldn't be proving the authorities actually authorized it. To argue otherwise without proof would be as ridicules as claiming the U.S. authorized the murder of Afghan civilians by its troops most recently, pissing on the dead bodies of militants or tossing a puppy off a cliff (yes that too actually happened).

So grow up, the constant trolling here only leads me to conclude none of you were actually in Kosovo at the time or ever.

The article was about current arrests, not the war. Amnesty International is beginning to take a look - http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/EUR70/008/2012/en/738fb737-40aa-4fe0-96ab-414f49a9e240/eur700082012en.html

Shirley-the serious,
You say none of which can be proven and when was the last time an EU official brought it up. Remember Dick Marty the Serbian legend of all times now? Well one of the exerps from his report that you all like to ignore is this:

"These crimes claimed tens of thousands of victims and disrupted a whole region of our continent. In the Kosovo conflict, the ethnic Albanian population suffered horrendous violence as the result of an insane ethnic cleansing policy on the part of the dictator then in power in Belgrade. None of these historical events could be cast in doubt today."

Both sides must act responsible? Yep, so when are the Albanians revoking their UDI? There must be a mutual agreed deal! Nothing more, nothing less.

What is wrong with the Slovakia/Czech model?

By the way: Abkahzia also made an UDI? Why is the US not recognizing that one?

No double standards! Kosovo is not a special case!

"You can reference Račak all you like, even if you could prove that it was a criminal attack on civilians you still wouldn't be proving the authorities actually authorized it. "
(Shirley - The Serious, 30 March 2012 23:35)

That's really hard to prove, indeed. For this treason, even investigators in The Hague have problems to convince that high ranking former YU officials ordered/authorized/tolerated/incited the killings of 10.000s of people in Bosnia, Croatia, and Kosovo, too.

"To argue otherwise without proof would be as ridicules as claiming the U.S. authorized the murder of Afghan civilians by its troops most recently, pissing on the dead bodies of militants "
(Shirley - The Serious, 30 March 2012 23:35)

Well, knowing that things like that happened some dozens of times amongst 10,000s of American soldiers, you really don't wanna compare these (more or less) singular cases to the systematic looting, shelling, killing and torturing committed by Serbian soldiers and especially paramilitaries during the YU wars.

Mr. EU facilitator, if the countries you represent had acted responsibly back in the late 90's, this mess in KiM today could have been avoided. Instead of sitting all parties involved at the bargaining table back then, and honestly tried to find solutions and compromises suitable to all, you came up with a proposal at Rambouillet that you knew would lead to the bombing of the ex-Yugoslavia that Washington wanted. Please name one place in the world where Western intervention has led to a peaceful outcome, just one?

"What you suggest for West to have allowed Kosovo to be cleansed by the Serbian state "
--------------------
I would suggest for West to advice their Albanian friends to stop their rebellion for Kosovo independence and to stop their provocations against Serbian police

The guy below me is blaming others for belgrade's actions.

The word of the day: pathetic

Sincerely,

Mr. EU facilitator, if the countries you represent had acted responsibly back in the late 90's, this mess in KiM today could have been avoided. Instead of sitting all parties involved at the bargaining table back then, and honestly tried to find solutions and compromises suitable to all, you came up with a proposal at Rambouillet that you knew would lead to the bombing of the ex-Yugoslavia that Washington wanted. Please name one place in the world where Western intervention has led to a peaceful outcome, just one?
(ecoman, 30 March 2012 13:43)
In other words if you would have accepted the Milosevic plan for the balkans....
Actually if once they knew that it was going to take force to end the threat in Kosovo, they would have committed to nothing less than an unconditional surrender, both Serbia and Kosovo would be decades ahead of where they are today.

"What you suggest for West to have allowed Kosovo to be cleansed by the Serbian state..."

EA

Oh please! Cleansing began with NATO airstrikes. If serbs wanted to get rid of albanians why didin't they do so before the bombs began to fall?

Please name one place in the world where Western intervention has led to a peaceful outcome, just one?
(ecoman, 30 March 2012 13:43)

Western countries do not have to intervene everywhere in the world unless asked....

What you suggest for West to have allowed Kosovo to be cleansed by the Serbian state and by doing so "give a lesson" to all the dictators in the world "do whatever you wish with "your" people...

What Serbian state has done to the other nations in former Yugoslavia was unimmaginable for the West....

What do you think about Al Asaad of Syria, I am very curious to know what the Serbian commentators think?

Can you see guys what in two different worlds the Serbs and Albanians live?

"Calling for the implementation of the agreements the two sides have reached so far, Cooper pointed to a view by the EU that political problems should be resolved through dialogue and negotiations, rather than through a selective law implementation."

Yes, that's what it is: Selective law implementation. Though I wonder if it can be called 'law implementation' at all when people are arrested for 'carrying voter lists'. Only comparable to the (not-so democratic Islamist country) Turkey where opposition politicians and journalists are arrested for similar reasons (obstructing the constitution, planning a subversion, insulting Turkdom and similar fabricated accusations).

Furthermore, it would be better if KPS would do the ordinary police job like their colleagues do in other countries and arrest real criminals, like all the drug lords working in Kosovo*, Europe's main drug hub.

If serbs wanted to get rid of albanians why didin't they do so before the bombs began to fall?
(MikeC, 30 March 2012 17:15)

They did...it is all evidenced....just google it "War in Kosovo" and you will find loads of evidence. We live in a modern world and the history can NOT be twisted any more....

Are the Albanians still trumpeting the same old bullcrap that no one can still actually prove? That the state of Serbia (FR Yugoslavia) officially planned, sanctioned and carried out any form of ethnic cleansing on the Albanian population in Kosovo?

You realize no one else in the wider world actually buys that crap or even really care? It's only the various Balkanite buddies of yours, mainly Croats and Bosniaks that would happily join in on your little parade. Think about it, when was the last time even some 'EU official' brought it up? You'd think stuff like that would stick.

You can reference Račak all you like, even if you could prove that it was a criminal attack on civilians you still wouldn't be proving the authorities actually authorized it. To argue otherwise without proof would be as ridicules as claiming the U.S. authorized the murder of Afghan civilians by its troops most recently, pissing on the dead bodies of militants or tossing a puppy off a cliff (yes that too actually happened).

So grow up, the constant trolling here only leads me to conclude none of you were actually in Kosovo at the time or ever.

"They did...it is all evidenced....just google it "War in Kosovo" and you will find loads of evidence. We live in a modern world and the history can NOT be twisted any more...."

EA

If its all over the internet why didn't you provide us with at least one link that shows how serbs expelled albanians before the war broke out?
I wonder if albanians know about the internet since they never provide links to their outrageous claims.

"You can reference Račak all you like, even if you could prove that it was a criminal attack on civilians you still wouldn't be proving the authorities actually authorized it. "
(Shirley - The Serious, 30 March 2012 23:35)

That's really hard to prove, indeed. For this treason, even investigators in The Hague have problems to convince that high ranking former YU officials ordered/authorized/tolerated/incited the killings of 10.000s of people in Bosnia, Croatia, and Kosovo, too.

"To argue otherwise without proof would be as ridicules as claiming the U.S. authorized the murder of Afghan civilians by its troops most recently, pissing on the dead bodies of militants "
(Shirley - The Serious, 30 March 2012 23:35)

Well, knowing that things like that happened some dozens of times amongst 10,000s of American soldiers, you really don't wanna compare these (more or less) singular cases to the systematic looting, shelling, killing and torturing committed by Serbian soldiers and especially paramilitaries during the YU wars.

Shirley-the serious,
You say none of which can be proven and when was the last time an EU official brought it up. Remember Dick Marty the Serbian legend of all times now? Well one of the exerps from his report that you all like to ignore is this:

"These crimes claimed tens of thousands of victims and disrupted a whole region of our continent. In the Kosovo conflict, the ethnic Albanian population suffered horrendous violence as the result of an insane ethnic cleansing policy on the part of the dictator then in power in Belgrade. None of these historical events could be cast in doubt today."

The article was about current arrests, not the war. Amnesty International is beginning to take a look - http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/EUR70/008/2012/en/738fb737-40aa-4fe0-96ab-414f49a9e240/eur700082012en.html

Both sides must act responsible? Yep, so when are the Albanians revoking their UDI? There must be a mutual agreed deal! Nothing more, nothing less.

What is wrong with the Slovakia/Czech model?

By the way: Abkahzia also made an UDI? Why is the US not recognizing that one?

No double standards! Kosovo is not a special case!