Croatian FM calls rehabilitation "regrettable"

"Croatia was there 15 years ago?" It was only last year that Thompson was playing ustasha songs to packed stadiums in Croatia.

So Pusic is trying to compare the Ustashe, who were so revolting that they even made German SS officers sick with their war crimes, to Draza Mihajlovic who fought against the Nazis and was awarded the Legion of Merit by the US of A for his valour, which included saving 500 American airmen from behind enemy lines. Yes, typical croat hypocrisy and revisionism. Let me put it this way Pusic, your Ustashe are a disgrace, and absolute disgrace for Croatia and for humanity in general. Draza Mihajlovic is a recognized war hero, and that's a fact. There is no comparison, they are as different as night and day.
Cheers!!

Draza was no angel but this is pure hypocrisy.. The same goverment that celebrates the Ustasa who are a million times worse than anything the chetniks did and they still celebrate the 1995 UStasa like ethnic cleansing.. What a joke.

The Croatian FM commenting on this subject is an extremely bad idea for Croatia. By making those comments criticizing the rehabilitation of General Mihailovic, she is only opening the door and inviting another examination of Croatian behavior during the Second World War. For obvious reasons based on the horrific and unspeakable atrocities committed by the Ustache against Serbs, Jews, and Roma, the very last thing that Croatia should ever want to do is to remind the world of their embrace of Hitler, and what they did in WWII.

Look Vesna is only paying lip service to the Croatians HDZ and other fascists who are I’m afraid very pro Ustasha. To try and paint Draza in the same light as the Nazis or Croatia’s favourite son, Ante Pavelic, then you will have to bring the allies such as the US, UK and France etc on the same level as the Germans or the Croats.

There is one problem. Not one on the allies side ran death camps; not one, so I hope that the Croats see the difference and shut up for a change and accept that their grandfathers were some of the worst murders in history. Now this is not an idle statement because even the Germans were horrified at how the Croats went about their business in dealing with the Serbs during WW2 and considering what the germans did and then found the Croat actions terrible, …..what can you add to that?

If a Croat thinks something is bad for Serbia IT MUST BE GOOD!
Immediately rehabilitate Mihajlovic and criminalize Yugocommunists!

@Bam Bam
Your grasp of basic historical facts is lamentable. The Tito regime sought for political expediency to equate the NDH and its leaders with Mihailovic as two sides of the same coin. This suited their purpose of ridding themselves of all opponents by tarring them with the same brush of collaboration. Pavelic was a genocidal psychopath at the head of a virulently racist pseudo clerical Nazi puppet abomination. You couldn't even refer to it as a state as it was out of control from the outset. But in its short lifespan it was responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths and untold misery. Chetnik reprisals which were localised must therefore be seen in this context. Undoubtedly they were inexcusable, but so too were the horrific reprisals perpetrated by the Partisans at the end of the war. Mihailovic was the first to raise the banner of resistance in 1941. I don't think even his worst detractors would accuse him of being pro German in any way. To compare him with Pavelic is laughable. That he lost the civil war and was executed by his foes does not mean he was an enemy of the Allied cause. Even Churchill eventually conceded that he'd backed the wrong side, but by then it was too late.

...so what all of a sudden YU is bad when discussing Draza. Arena't you the same Serb people who kept on saying that YU should not disintegrate in the 90's.. I think you Serbs don't know what you want. One thing that is true is that Draza's executioners would definately have been Serbs. Have the Serb people stooped so low that they have to go back in time to look for a convicted war criminal as a hero. I don't care what Churchill or Roosevelt said about Draza, they are foreign dignitories. Even Pavelic had his supporters from other countries. In the end Draza will always be known as a sadistic killer who was fairly tried, convicted and thankfully executed by Serb lead YU.

Typical Serb comments here from a typical Serb article. Mention the crimes of others to hide your own kind's crimes. All things aside, the Chetniks under Mihailovic did unspeakable things to non-Serbs. There goal was a homgenous Serb state or if not possible a state whereas Serbs had absolute control over all others. This is his own stated goal. He and his men acted in ways to realise this goal - murder, plunder and the rest. He and his men worked with the Nazis and especially the Italian Fascists and even the Ustasha on occasion.

There are so many great Serbs in Serbian history, why not look up to them and not a war criminal.

"When a country starts finding justification and rehabilitating its own quislings from the Second World War and Nazi collaborators and fascists, ..."
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Wow, Nazi collaborators?!?!?!? I have never met a descendent of any Chetnik that supports Nazi's, fascists or communists.

However, practically all Croatians I have met support either Nazis and fascists or Communists (i.e. Ustasha or Partizans).

The revisionism against Serbians never stops.

Bringing back Draza is like bringing back Pavelic....

(Bam Bam, 29 March 2012 13:26)

Bum Bum,

The 50's are over why is a Croat so worried if Serbia rightfully embraces it's whole history in it's proper light. Mihalovic was no criminal equal in his efforts as Tito only with the added baggage of a conscious for his people.

Pavelic had supporters from other countries unfortunately for your arguement those shady Nazi ones don't count. Anyway your arguement is opportunistic,cheap, very contradictory, fake and void of factual substance. Below is a prime example.

"Ruling HDZ will lead Croatia to past"
Source: Dnevnik, Tanjug
The Croatian People's Party leader Vesna Pusić says the Croatian Democratic Union (HDZ) has launched a campaign that should be dubbed “Straight to the past”.

Bum Bum's refutation,


"Miss PUSIC without HDZ you would be now speaking Serbian, celebrating Christmas sometime in January and taking orders from convicted war criminal Vojislav SESELJ."
(Bam Bam, 10 October 2011 00:51)

http://f1.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=76772

Tisk Tisk....so much for your input, where is Ruder Finn when you need them.

(David

His men never worked with the Ustaha or Hitler.. You're confusing him with a different royalist group but that's not to say he is innocent.

Bringing back Draza is like bringing back Pavelic....
Both man committed horendeous crimes, like Milosevic and Tudjman after them.
Yte the bridge near Dubrovnik is sitll called Franjo Tudman and few in Croatia see this as regretable. When you wage a war the first victim is the innocence. Draza Mijalovic fought for Serbia and lost not only his life. Tito's voctory turned out to be a catastrphe for Serbia. That enabled a generation later Tudjman to achieve what Pavelic couldn't - an independant Croatia, regretably without any sagnificant Serbian presence. Milosevic tried in vain to reverse the historical verdict of 1945, and the Serbs are now paying the price of defeat. History is never black and white and the politics is the art of the possible. Those leaders who grasp it usuallt succed and are honoroud by history, notwithstanding the bloodshed they caused. Those who try the impossible are cursed and end up on the dust bin of history... until the monet when the circumstances are forgoten and a new generatios starts to glorify them! The same applies to king Lazar...

Typical Serb comments here from a typical Serb article. Mention the crimes of others to hide your own kind's crimes. All things aside, the Chetniks under Mihailovic did unspeakable things to non-Serbs. There goal was a homgenous Serb state or if not possible a state whereas Serbs had absolute control over all others. This is his own stated goal. He and his men acted in ways to realise this goal - murder, plunder and the rest. He and his men worked with the Nazis and especially the Italian Fascists and even the Ustasha on occasion.

There are so many great Serbs in Serbian history, why not look up to them and not a war criminal.

Draza was no angel but this is pure hypocrisy.. The same goverment that celebrates the Ustasa who are a million times worse than anything the chetniks did and they still celebrate the 1995 UStasa like ethnic cleansing.. What a joke.

"Croatia was there 15 years ago?" It was only last year that Thompson was playing ustasha songs to packed stadiums in Croatia.

Bringing back Draza is like bringing back Pavelic....

If a Croat thinks something is bad for Serbia IT MUST BE GOOD!
Immediately rehabilitate Mihajlovic and criminalize Yugocommunists!

So Pusic is trying to compare the Ustashe, who were so revolting that they even made German SS officers sick with their war crimes, to Draza Mihajlovic who fought against the Nazis and was awarded the Legion of Merit by the US of A for his valour, which included saving 500 American airmen from behind enemy lines. Yes, typical croat hypocrisy and revisionism. Let me put it this way Pusic, your Ustashe are a disgrace, and absolute disgrace for Croatia and for humanity in general. Draza Mihajlovic is a recognized war hero, and that's a fact. There is no comparison, they are as different as night and day.
Cheers!!

"When a country starts finding justification and rehabilitating its own quislings from the Second World War and Nazi collaborators and fascists, ..."
--
Wow, Nazi collaborators?!?!?!? I have never met a descendent of any Chetnik that supports Nazi's, fascists or communists.

However, practically all Croatians I have met support either Nazis and fascists or Communists (i.e. Ustasha or Partizans).

The revisionism against Serbians never stops.

Bringing back Draza is like bringing back Pavelic....
Both man committed horendeous crimes, like Milosevic and Tudjman after them.
Yte the bridge near Dubrovnik is sitll called Franjo Tudman and few in Croatia see this as regretable. When you wage a war the first victim is the innocence. Draza Mijalovic fought for Serbia and lost not only his life. Tito's voctory turned out to be a catastrphe for Serbia. That enabled a generation later Tudjman to achieve what Pavelic couldn't - an independant Croatia, regretably without any sagnificant Serbian presence. Milosevic tried in vain to reverse the historical verdict of 1945, and the Serbs are now paying the price of defeat. History is never black and white and the politics is the art of the possible. Those leaders who grasp it usuallt succed and are honoroud by history, notwithstanding the bloodshed they caused. Those who try the impossible are cursed and end up on the dust bin of history... until the monet when the circumstances are forgoten and a new generatios starts to glorify them! The same applies to king Lazar...

...so what all of a sudden YU is bad when discussing Draza. Arena't you the same Serb people who kept on saying that YU should not disintegrate in the 90's.. I think you Serbs don't know what you want. One thing that is true is that Draza's executioners would definately have been Serbs. Have the Serb people stooped so low that they have to go back in time to look for a convicted war criminal as a hero. I don't care what Churchill or Roosevelt said about Draza, they are foreign dignitories. Even Pavelic had his supporters from other countries. In the end Draza will always be known as a sadistic killer who was fairly tried, convicted and thankfully executed by Serb lead YU.

Look Vesna is only paying lip service to the Croatians HDZ and other fascists who are I’m afraid very pro Ustasha. To try and paint Draza in the same light as the Nazis or Croatia’s favourite son, Ante Pavelic, then you will have to bring the allies such as the US, UK and France etc on the same level as the Germans or the Croats.

There is one problem. Not one on the allies side ran death camps; not one, so I hope that the Croats see the difference and shut up for a change and accept that their grandfathers were some of the worst murders in history. Now this is not an idle statement because even the Germans were horrified at how the Croats went about their business in dealing with the Serbs during WW2 and considering what the germans did and then found the Croat actions terrible, …..what can you add to that?

The Croatian FM commenting on this subject is an extremely bad idea for Croatia. By making those comments criticizing the rehabilitation of General Mihailovic, she is only opening the door and inviting another examination of Croatian behavior during the Second World War. For obvious reasons based on the horrific and unspeakable atrocities committed by the Ustache against Serbs, Jews, and Roma, the very last thing that Croatia should ever want to do is to remind the world of their embrace of Hitler, and what they did in WWII.

(David

His men never worked with the Ustaha or Hitler.. You're confusing him with a different royalist group but that's not to say he is innocent.

@Bam Bam
Your grasp of basic historical facts is lamentable. The Tito regime sought for political expediency to equate the NDH and its leaders with Mihailovic as two sides of the same coin. This suited their purpose of ridding themselves of all opponents by tarring them with the same brush of collaboration. Pavelic was a genocidal psychopath at the head of a virulently racist pseudo clerical Nazi puppet abomination. You couldn't even refer to it as a state as it was out of control from the outset. But in its short lifespan it was responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths and untold misery. Chetnik reprisals which were localised must therefore be seen in this context. Undoubtedly they were inexcusable, but so too were the horrific reprisals perpetrated by the Partisans at the end of the war. Mihailovic was the first to raise the banner of resistance in 1941. I don't think even his worst detractors would accuse him of being pro German in any way. To compare him with Pavelic is laughable. That he lost the civil war and was executed by his foes does not mean he was an enemy of the Allied cause. Even Churchill eventually conceded that he'd backed the wrong side, but by then it was too late.

(Bam Bam, 29 March 2012 13:26)

Bum Bum,

The 50's are over why is a Croat so worried if Serbia rightfully embraces it's whole history in it's proper light. Mihalovic was no criminal equal in his efforts as Tito only with the added baggage of a conscious for his people.

Pavelic had supporters from other countries unfortunately for your arguement those shady Nazi ones don't count. Anyway your arguement is opportunistic,cheap, very contradictory, fake and void of factual substance. Below is a prime example.

"Ruling HDZ will lead Croatia to past"
Source: Dnevnik, Tanjug
The Croatian People's Party leader Vesna Pusić says the Croatian Democratic Union (HDZ) has launched a campaign that should be dubbed “Straight to the past”.

Bum Bum's refutation,


"Miss PUSIC without HDZ you would be now speaking Serbian, celebrating Christmas sometime in January and taking orders from convicted war criminal Vojislav SESELJ."
(Bam Bam, 10 October 2011 00:51)

http://f1.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=76772

Tisk Tisk....so much for your input, where is Ruder Finn when you need them.