“Croatia won’t support Jeremić for UNGA president”

No surprise from the Croations. I have a feeling if Kony from Uganda was a candidate against Jeremic, that he would get Croatia's vote. A true Pusic, in word and action.

As far as Good Neighbourly Relations are concerned, and that the European Values insists on so much as a display of their supposed purity, it should not surprise us to discover that Croatia shares greater similarities with the Baltic States, than they do with the Balkans.

We know that all of the Baltic States had SS Waffen Divisions, with Latvia making the news with Latvians paying tribute to the Latvian SS Waffen Nazi Divisions, with President Berzins of Latvia saying recently that the Latvian nation should bow to its Waffen-SS veterans.

I can only say to Croatia that they should Confess and leave their Nazi Past behind, but that is up to them, and it is up to the Serbs to realize that Germany controls the European Union.
(Yet Another J S, 21 March 2012 13:02)

Godwin's law

For some reason you felt the need to bring up the Nazis, even though it is completely irrelevant.

Croatia isn't going to support Jeremic for the UNGA President because he is dishonest and a liar, who likes to speak on the behalf of other countries and make up their foreign policy for them.

Jeremic has no chance in hell of becoming UNGA President and he will be out of a job in two months time after the Serbian election.

Not one single western country will support Jeremic on his bid. So, he will not get the job for sure.

I can only say to Croatia that they should Confess and leave their Nazi Past behind, but that is up to them, and it is up to the Serbs to realize that Germany controls the European Union.
(Yet Another J S, 21 March 2012 13:02)

Isn't it good that Serbia has no Nazi past? Nedić was a good democrat, Četnici didn't fight together with Germans against Tito and about the Serbisches Freiwilligenkorps der SS we simply do not talk. Life is good and everybody else is evil. Another problem solved.

As far as Good Neighbourly Relations are concerned, and that the European Values insists on so much as a display of their supposed purity, it should not surprise us to discover that Croatia shares greater similarities with the Baltic States, than they do with the Balkans.

We know that all of the Baltic States had SS Waffen Divisions, with Latvia making the news with Latvians paying tribute to the Latvian SS Waffen Nazi Divisions, with President Berzins of Latvia saying recently that the Latvian nation should bow to its Waffen-SS veterans.

I can only say to Croatia that they should Confess and leave their Nazi Past behind, but that is up to them, and it is up to the Serbs to realize that Germany controls the European Union.

With friends like these...

Lithiuanians are our Catholic brothers, while serbians are just our orthodox neighbours....

@ mirror mirror on the wall. cetniks were formed because of ustase attacks on Serb civilians
(grobar1, 21 March 2012 14:30)

What is your excuse for the Serbian Volunteer Corps and the Serbian State Guard who were servants of the Third Reich?

Also the Chetniks fought against the Yugoslav Partisans and were very friendly with the Gestapo.

What did you think? One day you bomb Croatia, kill civilians, rape woman, steal property and want to "eat croatian meat", and next day Croatia will help you put a nationalist Jeremić for UNGA? Wait until you try to close EU packages...

it doesnt matter what croatia says its what the rest of the eu says lol croatia is a tiny country of 3.5 million with no say because everyone owns them including germany and the italians want their lands of dalmacia and istria back so they should worry about their problems and not Jeremić.
(tom, 21 March 2012 16:07)

Tiny Croatia will join the EU club before you. But as long as you consider Cyprus with its 1.something million inhabitants a super power for not recognizing Kosovo....

@ mirror mirror on the wall. cetniks were formed because of ustase attacks on Serb civilians

@ mirror mirror on the wall. cetniks were formed because of ustase attacks on Serb civilians
(grobar1, 21 March 2012 14:30)

Didn't you read my comment? In case you didn't: "Četnici didn't fight together with Germans against Tito"

Or do you maybe believe they did? Thousands of comments from good honest Serb commentators could be possibly wrong? Shocking!

"Croatia has backed Lithuania and will keep its word," she underlined,'

The old allies stick together.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_Lithuania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_State_of_Croatia

This should come as no surprise. Why would people like these, support someone like this?
http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=955

Cheers!!

Look on the bright side of things, at least it won't be the Croat Ustasha or Albanian KLA thugs who gets the post either.

Have a nice evening folks.

Glad Croatia did this and also told him straight into his face. It would be be a major mistake if somebody like him, a person who openly fights for Serbia's hegomonial politics, and is unable to face his own countries horrible recent past would get this job.

What..! all of a sudden Jeremic is seeking Croatia's support. Lets get one think straight Jeremic, we Croats don't forgive and we don't forget..we aren't like the Bosniaks were they have already forgotten about the crimes committed by Right Wing Serb Cetnik 'Royalists'on Bosnian citizens. To the Serbs please don't waste your time looking for support from us because frankly you will get peanuts. The quicker you people start to realise that Croatia is not a Balkan country the better.

cyprus is part of greece so it has 12 million altogether ,typical albanian talk but doesnt know what hes talking about
(gajo, 21 March 2012 19:03)

The Republic of Cyprus is an independent member state of the European Union. Are you sure you know what you are talking about?

ian, chetniks were the royal army. the monarch or serbia was forced to evacuate by the partizans. the monarcy lives in the uk currently, as do many other displaced monarchs.

however you forgot to mention that winnie churchie fought along side stalin, shook hands and thank mr iron fist himself, so is uk a derivative commie state? or are you derivative german (as your monarchy are all german decendants).

games of high politics are a little bit trickier than you'd like to make them out to be.

it doesnt matter what croatia says its what the rest of the eu says lol croatia is a tiny country of 3.5 million with no say because everyone owns them including germany and the italians want their lands of dalmacia and istria back so they should worry about their problems and not Jeremić.

What is your excuse for the Serbian Volunteer Corps and the Serbian State Guard who were servants of the Third Reich?

Also the Chetniks fought against the Yugoslav Partisans and were very friendly with the Gestapo.
(Ian, UK, 21 March 2012 14:56)

"The Germans pressured Milan Nedić's collaborationist government to deal with the uprisings under the threat of letting the armed forces of the Independent State of Croatia, Hungary, and Bulgaria occupy the country and maintain peace and order in it."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Volunteer_Corps_(World_War_II)

" On June 21 Milan Nedić ordered the formation of the Iron Regiment in Leskovac but during its formation most troops escaped to the Chetniks."

Seems like the hastily assembled SVC and it’s bond to the Nazis was mostly under threat and duress, one of survival and self preservation then free will. Although some sections in any occupied country would have been encouraged or would have had similair veiws to their occupier's ideology, they generally were very minescule in Serbia facing alot of resistance.

Ian while I agree with you that the subject bought up by the poster was off track in relation to the article, you would have been better served sticking to the article yourself and not insinuate that Croatia’s reason was because they think he is dishonest and a liar.

Certainly it seems it was about a well known activity the Croats seemingly embrace called lobbying, unless offcourse we believe your statement, then Vesna would be the one lying and being dishonest explaining heself.

As for the Chetniks battling the Partisans, depending which ones you mean, they did that and fought the Nazi‘s and also the Quisling forces what’s your point? Which group of Chetniks are you referring too the main ones in the Army of the Fatherland (Ravna Gora) or splintered ones calling themselves such? What is the definition of Chetnik? The Partisans co-operated and had a non aggression pact signed with the Nazis while the Chetnik Serbs fought against Nazis whats your point?

Trying to falsely drag or equate the country that was synonymous with the struggle against Nazi tyranny, to the one which was willing participant from the onset is, well you know what it is. Instead why don't you build up Croatian credentials through their heroes such as Zvonimir Vuckovic etc....would have went much further.

What did you think? One day you bomb Croatia, kill civilians, rape woman, steal property and want to "eat croatian meat", and next day Croatia will help you put a nationalist Jeremić for UNGA? Wait until you try to close EU packages...
(Payback time, 21 March 2012 17:09)

And you hand-rubbing-grinners wait until you try to open EU packages one day and all you find is "meat" from sheep and a note that reads: It's time to get a job and a life with your neighbours.

Also the Chetniks fought against the Yugoslav Partisans and were very friendly with the Gestapo.
(Ian, UK, 21 March 2012 14:56)
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Ian demonstrating his ignorance once again and revising history to suit himself. The fact is your Albanian, Croatian and Bosnian Muslim friends were very friendly with the Gestapo, not the Chetniks or Serbs in general.

The Chetniks were rescuing down allied airmen right up to the very end of WWII, over 500 saved. Draža Mihailović was awarded the Legion of Merit by Truman for this and even Ronald Regan spoke highly of him. Your Wikipedia revisionism will get you nowhere Ian.

Seems like the hastily assembled SVC and it’s bond to the Nazis was mostly under threat and duress, one of survival and self preservation then free will. Although some sections in any occupied country would have been encouraged or would have had similair veiws to their occupier's ideology, they generally were very minescule in Serbia facing alot of resistance.
(Sabby, 21 March 2012 17:26)

No, that's what you wish. Here's the reality:


"The continuing loyalty and distinguished service of the corps caused the Germans to grant it formal recognition on 1 January 1943, by officially changing its designation to the Serbische Freiwilligenkorps (Serbian Volunteer Corps)."
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=90

Loyalty! Doesn't sound "like under threat and duress".

Tiny Croatia will join the EU club before you. But as long as you consider Cyprus with its 1.something million inhabitants a super power for not recognizing Kosovo....
(WTH?, 21 March 2012 16:34) cyprus is part of greece so it has 12 million altogether ,typical albanian talk but doesnt know what hes talking about and kosovo is still serbia under the un 1244 and it is a footnote lol and kosov has not been recognised by the massive nations of china,india,russia,brazil and indonesia and and the biggest countries in south america and almost the entire world that matters in todays forcast and not yester years ...

" Also the Chetniks fought against the Yugoslav Partisans and were very friendly with the Gestapo.
(Ian, UK, 21 March 2012 14:56)
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Ian demonstrating his ignorance once again and revising history to suit himself. The fact is your Albanian, Croatian and Bosnian Muslim friends were very friendly with the Gestapo, not the Chetniks or Serbs in general.

The Chetniks were rescuing down allied airmen right up to the very end of WWII, over 500 saved. Draža Mihailović was awarded the Legion of Merit by Truman for this and even Ronald Regan spoke highly of him. Your Wikipedia revisionism will get you nowhere Ian.
Zoran"

Zoran, you accuse someone of being ignorant by being ignorant yourself.
In essence, that makes them sound knowledgeable. I know, you don't get it.

Saying Chetniks were not Nazi collaborators is like saying Milosevic was a nice and peace loving guy.

BTW, there is plenty of proof that links Chetniks to the Nazis.
Would you like me to show you that proof?

I am surprised that such a Presidency is of such a value for Serbia and I don’t know what are our chances for success. But what I am certain of is that Croatia has missed a good chance to improve relations with it’s most problematic neighbor. Lithuania means 1000 times less for Croatia’s welfare. So if it’s not the Axis solidarity the step looks very irrational and counterproductive. No matter what pretext is announced supporting this openly fascist state throws a shadow at Croatia’s own history.

games of high politics are a little bit trickier than you'd like to make them out to be. bozo
For being a clown, Bozo, you hit the nail on the head. The Albanian/Croat delegation here wants to paint Chetniks as Nazi sympathizers, nothing could be farther from the truth. Chetniks were Royalists, as in loyal to the royal crown, they made some pacts with the Germans only to try and get an edge on the Partizans. But I wouldn't mind hearing why the Albanians and Croats did the dirty work for Hitler during WWII. Maybe some of you can ask your great grand daddies, if they are still around?

Bam Bam said, "The quicker you people start to realise that Croatia is not a Balkan country the better."

Gee, where did it move to?

So the Nazis threw carrots left and right on Nedic’s recommendations and lost arms and ammunition Loyalty all the way.

The SVC made it look like an episode of Hogan’s Heroes.
(Sabby wish upon a star, 22 March 2012 15:12)

"The S.F.K. fought the Partisans with great courage throughout the spring and summer of 1944, engaging in a number of large operations alongside the more numerous German and Bulgarian forces. By 21 August 1944 the five regiment S.F.K. had reached a strength of 9,886 officers and men"

"The sacrifices made by the S.F.K. were not in vain however, since the majority of the German forces in the vicinity of Belgrade succeeded in pulling back to the north."

Talking about duress:
"The men belonging to the other three regiments experienced a less agreeable fate. They moved north from the Ljubljana area into Austria and surrendered to the British at Unterbergen on the Drau River on 12 May 1945. 20 days later these 2,418 men were turned over to Tito's Partisans. Some were executed almost immediately in the Gottschee Forest, while the others were carted off along with 10,000 Slovene Domobrans to the infamous camp at St. Vid, near Ljubljana. Subsequently, after a period of brutalization, these too were executed."

Ian demonstrating his ignorance once again and revising history to suit himself. The fact is your Albanian, Croatian and Bosnian Muslim friends were very friendly with the Gestapo, not the Chetniks or Serbs in general.

The Chetniks were rescuing down allied airmen right up to the very end of WWII, over 500 saved. Draža Mihailović was awarded the Legion of Merit by Truman for this and even Ronald Regan spoke highly of him. Your Wikipedia revisionism will get you nowhere Ian.
(Zoran, 21 March 2012 22:57)

I was referring to the Pecanac Chetniks aka Black Chetniks.

From "Hogan’s Heroes" to "those with a “true” motivation supporting the German Nazi occupation and dismembering Serbs and Serbia belong you know where" in 21 hours. Aren't you amazing?

Glad Croatia did this and also told him straight into his face. It would be be a major mistake if somebody like him, a person who openly fights for Serbia's hegomonial politics, and is unable to face his own countries horrible recent past would get this job.
(Bill, 22 March 2012 10:06)

Have a closer look at who now rules Croatia mate. A very close look. But if you are that thick, its mostly Serbs.

Loyalty! Doesn't sound "like under threat and duress".
(Veto!, 22 March 2012 08:43)

Formal recognition under German command and a liaison officer attached to it’s every move and not allowed to move out of it’s allocated zone (a capital crime). So we have the warden giving orders, the screw watching their every move and locked away in an open prison. Smells like threat and duress but lets investigate loyalty.

Estimated, 9886 members mainly consisting of,

“Many volunteers came from the student ZBOR organization and others were refugees from Croatia.”

The refugees under duress to feed, clothe themselves and gain pay equivalent to a policeman’s salary. Some members of the Zbor I will concede, keeping in with the “miniscule” theme.

Then there’s,

“Đurišić was to be sent to Strij camp in Poland but managed to escape and was in Belgrade in November that year. Đurišić was soon captured by the Gestapo but under guarantees of Nedić and Ljotić was released under condition that he put his troops under SDK command. Đurišić accepted the offer, formed three SDK regiments and became Mušicki's second in command.”

Sounds like great volunteering certainly his wish devoid of duress.. surely it must have been… I mean it’s a wish….


“After defeating Partisan troops, the Germans turned to fighting Draža Mihailović's Chetniks. Konstantin Mušicki informed Mihailović of the German plans and Mihailović managed to evade capture. Due to this Mušicki was arrested on 9 December in Čačak and replaced by Brigadier Ilija Kukić. Nedić intervened to secure Mušicki's release and he was back in command as soon as those Germans that were familiar with the case had left Belgrade at the end of 1942.”

Smells like loyalty at the top echelons too. Push comes to shove you know.

“Although the Nedic Govt was given a limited amount of weapons and arms by the ever suspicious Germans,……..”

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=fqUSGevFe5MC&q=mock#v=snippet&q=mock&f=false

So the Nazis threw carrots left and right on Nedic’s recommendations and lost arms and ammunition Loyalty all the way.

The SVC made it look like an episode of Hogan’s Heroes.

"The S.F.K. fought the Partisans with great courage throughout the spring and summer of 1944, engaging in a number of large operations alongside the more numerous German and Bulgarian forces. By 21 August 1944 the five regiment S.F.K. had reached a strength of 9,886 officers and men"

"The sacrifices made by the S.F.K. were not in vain however, since the majority of the German forces in the vicinity of Belgrade succeeded in pulling back to the north."
(If it makes you happy:, 22 March 2012 15:51)
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The SVK fought and executed Partisans and Chetniks under command also. If they didn’t what would be the result? Croatian Ustasa and Bulgarians ruling the entire country, we know how that turned out in the NDH.

The SVK was called to be armed with German made weapons with ammunition of a certain calibre that could be supplied only by the Germans. No fight, no ammo, enter the Bulgarians & Croats to wreak havoc on Serbian civilians (duress).

The sacrifices made in that battle was so they could have enough ammo to escape themselves.

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=fqUSGevFe5MC&pg=PA213&lpg=PA213&dq=War+and+Revolution+in+Yugoslavia,+1941-1945+Occupation+and+Collaboration+General+Meyszner,+too,+at+a+meeting&source=bl&ots=-NbTeri9Sd&sig=SL_N2-L9V8kAtoeUCEIQ7FCsLUc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TU9sT431O8ufiQexjqmPBg&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=fqUSGevFe5MC&pg=PA216&dq=War+and+Revolution+in+Yugoslavia,+1941-1945+Occupation+and+Collaboration+The+huge+number+of+hostages+killed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=N1VsT-f3JqTDmQXlk5GoBg&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

Throughout the occupation I don‘t think many of these SVK members (particularly the lowly foot soldier)wanted to further German aspirations as opposed to subduing their reprisals, till one day they could oust them themselves. Their fate was that the Soviets won the race to Belgrade leaving no room for anti communist sentiment.

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Talking about duress:
"The men belonging to the other three regiments experienced a less agreeable fate. They moved north from the Ljubljana area into Austria and surrendered to the British at Unterbergen on the Drau River on 12 May 1945. 20 days later these 2,418 men were turned over to Tito's Partisans. Some were executed almost immediately in the Gottschee Forest, while the others were carted off along with 10,000 Slovene Domobrans to the infamous camp at St. Vid, near Ljubljana. Subsequently, after a period of brutalization, these too were executed."
(If it makes you happy:, 22 March 2012 15:51)

Seeing Serbs with same anti occupation aspirations but different approaches and circumstances to deal with, killing each other isn’t a call to happiness. What did the average Serb in the Partisans, Chetniks or SVK intrinsically know about the Nazi or Communist ideologies back then.

Serbia needs to totally rehabilitate the Chetniks and put Draza where he truly belongs in Serbian history books and in rest, as the protector of centuries old Serbian culture, it’s denizens and social order. That you can freely call my wish. Those with a “true” motivation supporting the German Nazi occupation and dismembering Serbs and Serbia belong you know where.

"Colonel Hogan would routinely manipulate the incompetent Klink and get Schultz to look the other way while Hogan's men conducted secret operations."

Where did it deviate except for your understanding of Hogan's Heroes.

As far as Good Neighbourly Relations are concerned, and that the European Values insists on so much as a display of their supposed purity, it should not surprise us to discover that Croatia shares greater similarities with the Baltic States, than they do with the Balkans.

We know that all of the Baltic States had SS Waffen Divisions, with Latvia making the news with Latvians paying tribute to the Latvian SS Waffen Nazi Divisions, with President Berzins of Latvia saying recently that the Latvian nation should bow to its Waffen-SS veterans.

I can only say to Croatia that they should Confess and leave their Nazi Past behind, but that is up to them, and it is up to the Serbs to realize that Germany controls the European Union.

Not one single western country will support Jeremic on his bid. So, he will not get the job for sure.

I can only say to Croatia that they should Confess and leave their Nazi Past behind, but that is up to them, and it is up to the Serbs to realize that Germany controls the European Union.
(Yet Another J S, 21 March 2012 13:02)

Isn't it good that Serbia has no Nazi past? Nedić was a good democrat, Četnici didn't fight together with Germans against Tito and about the Serbisches Freiwilligenkorps der SS we simply do not talk. Life is good and everybody else is evil. Another problem solved.

No surprise from the Croations. I have a feeling if Kony from Uganda was a candidate against Jeremic, that he would get Croatia's vote. A true Pusic, in word and action.

As far as Good Neighbourly Relations are concerned, and that the European Values insists on so much as a display of their supposed purity, it should not surprise us to discover that Croatia shares greater similarities with the Baltic States, than they do with the Balkans.

We know that all of the Baltic States had SS Waffen Divisions, with Latvia making the news with Latvians paying tribute to the Latvian SS Waffen Nazi Divisions, with President Berzins of Latvia saying recently that the Latvian nation should bow to its Waffen-SS veterans.

I can only say to Croatia that they should Confess and leave their Nazi Past behind, but that is up to them, and it is up to the Serbs to realize that Germany controls the European Union.
(Yet Another J S, 21 March 2012 13:02)

Godwin's law

For some reason you felt the need to bring up the Nazis, even though it is completely irrelevant.

Croatia isn't going to support Jeremic for the UNGA President because he is dishonest and a liar, who likes to speak on the behalf of other countries and make up their foreign policy for them.

Jeremic has no chance in hell of becoming UNGA President and he will be out of a job in two months time after the Serbian election.

@ mirror mirror on the wall. cetniks were formed because of ustase attacks on Serb civilians

@ mirror mirror on the wall. cetniks were formed because of ustase attacks on Serb civilians
(grobar1, 21 March 2012 14:30)

What is your excuse for the Serbian Volunteer Corps and the Serbian State Guard who were servants of the Third Reich?

Also the Chetniks fought against the Yugoslav Partisans and were very friendly with the Gestapo.

Lithiuanians are our Catholic brothers, while serbians are just our orthodox neighbours....

it doesnt matter what croatia says its what the rest of the eu says lol croatia is a tiny country of 3.5 million with no say because everyone owns them including germany and the italians want their lands of dalmacia and istria back so they should worry about their problems and not Jeremić.

"Croatia has backed Lithuania and will keep its word," she underlined,'

The old allies stick together.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_Lithuania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_State_of_Croatia

This should come as no surprise. Why would people like these, support someone like this?
http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=955

Cheers!!

Tiny Croatia will join the EU club before you. But as long as you consider Cyprus with its 1.something million inhabitants a super power for not recognizing Kosovo....
(WTH?, 21 March 2012 16:34) cyprus is part of greece so it has 12 million altogether ,typical albanian talk but doesnt know what hes talking about and kosovo is still serbia under the un 1244 and it is a footnote lol and kosov has not been recognised by the massive nations of china,india,russia,brazil and indonesia and and the biggest countries in south america and almost the entire world that matters in todays forcast and not yester years ...

With friends like these...

Look on the bright side of things, at least it won't be the Croat Ustasha or Albanian KLA thugs who gets the post either.

Have a nice evening folks.

Glad Croatia did this and also told him straight into his face. It would be be a major mistake if somebody like him, a person who openly fights for Serbia's hegomonial politics, and is unable to face his own countries horrible recent past would get this job.
(Bill, 22 March 2012 10:06)

Have a closer look at who now rules Croatia mate. A very close look. But if you are that thick, its mostly Serbs.

@ mirror mirror on the wall. cetniks were formed because of ustase attacks on Serb civilians
(grobar1, 21 March 2012 14:30)

Didn't you read my comment? In case you didn't: "Četnici didn't fight together with Germans against Tito"

Or do you maybe believe they did? Thousands of comments from good honest Serb commentators could be possibly wrong? Shocking!

ian, chetniks were the royal army. the monarch or serbia was forced to evacuate by the partizans. the monarcy lives in the uk currently, as do many other displaced monarchs.

however you forgot to mention that winnie churchie fought along side stalin, shook hands and thank mr iron fist himself, so is uk a derivative commie state? or are you derivative german (as your monarchy are all german decendants).

games of high politics are a little bit trickier than you'd like to make them out to be.

What did you think? One day you bomb Croatia, kill civilians, rape woman, steal property and want to "eat croatian meat", and next day Croatia will help you put a nationalist Jeremić for UNGA? Wait until you try to close EU packages...

What did you think? One day you bomb Croatia, kill civilians, rape woman, steal property and want to "eat croatian meat", and next day Croatia will help you put a nationalist Jeremić for UNGA? Wait until you try to close EU packages...
(Payback time, 21 March 2012 17:09)

And you hand-rubbing-grinners wait until you try to open EU packages one day and all you find is "meat" from sheep and a note that reads: It's time to get a job and a life with your neighbours.

I am surprised that such a Presidency is of such a value for Serbia and I don’t know what are our chances for success. But what I am certain of is that Croatia has missed a good chance to improve relations with it’s most problematic neighbor. Lithuania means 1000 times less for Croatia’s welfare. So if it’s not the Axis solidarity the step looks very irrational and counterproductive. No matter what pretext is announced supporting this openly fascist state throws a shadow at Croatia’s own history.

What is your excuse for the Serbian Volunteer Corps and the Serbian State Guard who were servants of the Third Reich?

Also the Chetniks fought against the Yugoslav Partisans and were very friendly with the Gestapo.
(Ian, UK, 21 March 2012 14:56)

"The Germans pressured Milan Nedić's collaborationist government to deal with the uprisings under the threat of letting the armed forces of the Independent State of Croatia, Hungary, and Bulgaria occupy the country and maintain peace and order in it."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Volunteer_Corps_(World_War_II)

" On June 21 Milan Nedić ordered the formation of the Iron Regiment in Leskovac but during its formation most troops escaped to the Chetniks."

Seems like the hastily assembled SVC and it’s bond to the Nazis was mostly under threat and duress, one of survival and self preservation then free will. Although some sections in any occupied country would have been encouraged or would have had similair veiws to their occupier's ideology, they generally were very minescule in Serbia facing alot of resistance.

Ian while I agree with you that the subject bought up by the poster was off track in relation to the article, you would have been better served sticking to the article yourself and not insinuate that Croatia’s reason was because they think he is dishonest and a liar.

Certainly it seems it was about a well known activity the Croats seemingly embrace called lobbying, unless offcourse we believe your statement, then Vesna would be the one lying and being dishonest explaining heself.

As for the Chetniks battling the Partisans, depending which ones you mean, they did that and fought the Nazi‘s and also the Quisling forces what’s your point? Which group of Chetniks are you referring too the main ones in the Army of the Fatherland (Ravna Gora) or splintered ones calling themselves such? What is the definition of Chetnik? The Partisans co-operated and had a non aggression pact signed with the Nazis while the Chetnik Serbs fought against Nazis whats your point?

Trying to falsely drag or equate the country that was synonymous with the struggle against Nazi tyranny, to the one which was willing participant from the onset is, well you know what it is. Instead why don't you build up Croatian credentials through their heroes such as Zvonimir Vuckovic etc....would have went much further.

games of high politics are a little bit trickier than you'd like to make them out to be. bozo
For being a clown, Bozo, you hit the nail on the head. The Albanian/Croat delegation here wants to paint Chetniks as Nazi sympathizers, nothing could be farther from the truth. Chetniks were Royalists, as in loyal to the royal crown, they made some pacts with the Germans only to try and get an edge on the Partizans. But I wouldn't mind hearing why the Albanians and Croats did the dirty work for Hitler during WWII. Maybe some of you can ask your great grand daddies, if they are still around?

Also the Chetniks fought against the Yugoslav Partisans and were very friendly with the Gestapo.
(Ian, UK, 21 March 2012 14:56)
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Ian demonstrating his ignorance once again and revising history to suit himself. The fact is your Albanian, Croatian and Bosnian Muslim friends were very friendly with the Gestapo, not the Chetniks or Serbs in general.

The Chetniks were rescuing down allied airmen right up to the very end of WWII, over 500 saved. Draža Mihailović was awarded the Legion of Merit by Truman for this and even Ronald Regan spoke highly of him. Your Wikipedia revisionism will get you nowhere Ian.

it doesnt matter what croatia says its what the rest of the eu says lol croatia is a tiny country of 3.5 million with no say because everyone owns them including germany and the italians want their lands of dalmacia and istria back so they should worry about their problems and not Jeremić.
(tom, 21 March 2012 16:07)

Tiny Croatia will join the EU club before you. But as long as you consider Cyprus with its 1.something million inhabitants a super power for not recognizing Kosovo....

Loyalty! Doesn't sound "like under threat and duress".
(Veto!, 22 March 2012 08:43)

Formal recognition under German command and a liaison officer attached to it’s every move and not allowed to move out of it’s allocated zone (a capital crime). So we have the warden giving orders, the screw watching their every move and locked away in an open prison. Smells like threat and duress but lets investigate loyalty.

Estimated, 9886 members mainly consisting of,

“Many volunteers came from the student ZBOR organization and others were refugees from Croatia.”

The refugees under duress to feed, clothe themselves and gain pay equivalent to a policeman’s salary. Some members of the Zbor I will concede, keeping in with the “miniscule” theme.

Then there’s,

“Đurišić was to be sent to Strij camp in Poland but managed to escape and was in Belgrade in November that year. Đurišić was soon captured by the Gestapo but under guarantees of Nedić and Ljotić was released under condition that he put his troops under SDK command. Đurišić accepted the offer, formed three SDK regiments and became Mušicki's second in command.”

Sounds like great volunteering certainly his wish devoid of duress.. surely it must have been… I mean it’s a wish….


“After defeating Partisan troops, the Germans turned to fighting Draža Mihailović's Chetniks. Konstantin Mušicki informed Mihailović of the German plans and Mihailović managed to evade capture. Due to this Mušicki was arrested on 9 December in Čačak and replaced by Brigadier Ilija Kukić. Nedić intervened to secure Mušicki's release and he was back in command as soon as those Germans that were familiar with the case had left Belgrade at the end of 1942.”

Smells like loyalty at the top echelons too. Push comes to shove you know.

“Although the Nedic Govt was given a limited amount of weapons and arms by the ever suspicious Germans,……..”

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=fqUSGevFe5MC&q=mock#v=snippet&q=mock&f=false

So the Nazis threw carrots left and right on Nedic’s recommendations and lost arms and ammunition Loyalty all the way.

The SVC made it look like an episode of Hogan’s Heroes.

Bam Bam said, "The quicker you people start to realise that Croatia is not a Balkan country the better."

Gee, where did it move to?

Seems like the hastily assembled SVC and it’s bond to the Nazis was mostly under threat and duress, one of survival and self preservation then free will. Although some sections in any occupied country would have been encouraged or would have had similair veiws to their occupier's ideology, they generally were very minescule in Serbia facing alot of resistance.
(Sabby, 21 March 2012 17:26)

No, that's what you wish. Here's the reality:


"The continuing loyalty and distinguished service of the corps caused the Germans to grant it formal recognition on 1 January 1943, by officially changing its designation to the Serbische Freiwilligenkorps (Serbian Volunteer Corps)."
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=90

Loyalty! Doesn't sound "like under threat and duress".

"The S.F.K. fought the Partisans with great courage throughout the spring and summer of 1944, engaging in a number of large operations alongside the more numerous German and Bulgarian forces. By 21 August 1944 the five regiment S.F.K. had reached a strength of 9,886 officers and men"

"The sacrifices made by the S.F.K. were not in vain however, since the majority of the German forces in the vicinity of Belgrade succeeded in pulling back to the north."
(If it makes you happy:, 22 March 2012 15:51)
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The SVK fought and executed Partisans and Chetniks under command also. If they didn’t what would be the result? Croatian Ustasa and Bulgarians ruling the entire country, we know how that turned out in the NDH.

The SVK was called to be armed with German made weapons with ammunition of a certain calibre that could be supplied only by the Germans. No fight, no ammo, enter the Bulgarians & Croats to wreak havoc on Serbian civilians (duress).

The sacrifices made in that battle was so they could have enough ammo to escape themselves.

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=fqUSGevFe5MC&pg=PA213&lpg=PA213&dq=War+and+Revolution+in+Yugoslavia,+1941-1945+Occupation+and+Collaboration+General+Meyszner,+too,+at+a+meeting&source=bl&ots=-NbTeri9Sd&sig=SL_N2-L9V8kAtoeUCEIQ7FCsLUc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TU9sT431O8ufiQexjqmPBg&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=fqUSGevFe5MC&pg=PA216&dq=War+and+Revolution+in+Yugoslavia,+1941-1945+Occupation+and+Collaboration+The+huge+number+of+hostages+killed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=N1VsT-f3JqTDmQXlk5GoBg&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

Throughout the occupation I don‘t think many of these SVK members (particularly the lowly foot soldier)wanted to further German aspirations as opposed to subduing their reprisals, till one day they could oust them themselves. Their fate was that the Soviets won the race to Belgrade leaving no room for anti communist sentiment.

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Talking about duress:
"The men belonging to the other three regiments experienced a less agreeable fate. They moved north from the Ljubljana area into Austria and surrendered to the British at Unterbergen on the Drau River on 12 May 1945. 20 days later these 2,418 men were turned over to Tito's Partisans. Some were executed almost immediately in the Gottschee Forest, while the others were carted off along with 10,000 Slovene Domobrans to the infamous camp at St. Vid, near Ljubljana. Subsequently, after a period of brutalization, these too were executed."
(If it makes you happy:, 22 March 2012 15:51)

Seeing Serbs with same anti occupation aspirations but different approaches and circumstances to deal with, killing each other isn’t a call to happiness. What did the average Serb in the Partisans, Chetniks or SVK intrinsically know about the Nazi or Communist ideologies back then.

Serbia needs to totally rehabilitate the Chetniks and put Draza where he truly belongs in Serbian history books and in rest, as the protector of centuries old Serbian culture, it’s denizens and social order. That you can freely call my wish. Those with a “true” motivation supporting the German Nazi occupation and dismembering Serbs and Serbia belong you know where.

Ian demonstrating his ignorance once again and revising history to suit himself. The fact is your Albanian, Croatian and Bosnian Muslim friends were very friendly with the Gestapo, not the Chetniks or Serbs in general.

The Chetniks were rescuing down allied airmen right up to the very end of WWII, over 500 saved. Draža Mihailović was awarded the Legion of Merit by Truman for this and even Ronald Regan spoke highly of him. Your Wikipedia revisionism will get you nowhere Ian.
(Zoran, 21 March 2012 22:57)

I was referring to the Pecanac Chetniks aka Black Chetniks.

What..! all of a sudden Jeremic is seeking Croatia's support. Lets get one think straight Jeremic, we Croats don't forgive and we don't forget..we aren't like the Bosniaks were they have already forgotten about the crimes committed by Right Wing Serb Cetnik 'Royalists'on Bosnian citizens. To the Serbs please don't waste your time looking for support from us because frankly you will get peanuts. The quicker you people start to realise that Croatia is not a Balkan country the better.

Glad Croatia did this and also told him straight into his face. It would be be a major mistake if somebody like him, a person who openly fights for Serbia's hegomonial politics, and is unable to face his own countries horrible recent past would get this job.

" Also the Chetniks fought against the Yugoslav Partisans and were very friendly with the Gestapo.
(Ian, UK, 21 March 2012 14:56)
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Ian demonstrating his ignorance once again and revising history to suit himself. The fact is your Albanian, Croatian and Bosnian Muslim friends were very friendly with the Gestapo, not the Chetniks or Serbs in general.

The Chetniks were rescuing down allied airmen right up to the very end of WWII, over 500 saved. Draža Mihailović was awarded the Legion of Merit by Truman for this and even Ronald Regan spoke highly of him. Your Wikipedia revisionism will get you nowhere Ian.
Zoran"

Zoran, you accuse someone of being ignorant by being ignorant yourself.
In essence, that makes them sound knowledgeable. I know, you don't get it.

Saying Chetniks were not Nazi collaborators is like saying Milosevic was a nice and peace loving guy.

BTW, there is plenty of proof that links Chetniks to the Nazis.
Would you like me to show you that proof?

cyprus is part of greece so it has 12 million altogether ,typical albanian talk but doesnt know what hes talking about
(gajo, 21 March 2012 19:03)

The Republic of Cyprus is an independent member state of the European Union. Are you sure you know what you are talking about?

From "Hogan’s Heroes" to "those with a “true” motivation supporting the German Nazi occupation and dismembering Serbs and Serbia belong you know where" in 21 hours. Aren't you amazing?

So the Nazis threw carrots left and right on Nedic’s recommendations and lost arms and ammunition Loyalty all the way.

The SVC made it look like an episode of Hogan’s Heroes.
(Sabby wish upon a star, 22 March 2012 15:12)

"The S.F.K. fought the Partisans with great courage throughout the spring and summer of 1944, engaging in a number of large operations alongside the more numerous German and Bulgarian forces. By 21 August 1944 the five regiment S.F.K. had reached a strength of 9,886 officers and men"

"The sacrifices made by the S.F.K. were not in vain however, since the majority of the German forces in the vicinity of Belgrade succeeded in pulling back to the north."

Talking about duress:
"The men belonging to the other three regiments experienced a less agreeable fate. They moved north from the Ljubljana area into Austria and surrendered to the British at Unterbergen on the Drau River on 12 May 1945. 20 days later these 2,418 men were turned over to Tito's Partisans. Some were executed almost immediately in the Gottschee Forest, while the others were carted off along with 10,000 Slovene Domobrans to the infamous camp at St. Vid, near Ljubljana. Subsequently, after a period of brutalization, these too were executed."

"Colonel Hogan would routinely manipulate the incompetent Klink and get Schultz to look the other way while Hogan's men conducted secret operations."

Where did it deviate except for your understanding of Hogan's Heroes.