Anniversary of Đinđić assassination marked in Serbia

You'll be my only Prime Minister for as long as I live.

Djindjic was the best man Serbia could have after Milosevic's era, and he was assassinated. This is too bad for Serbia because this man alone would have made a big difference to put its country back on its tracks...

Its funny, when Dindic was alive he had very little support.
He was regarded as a traitor and accused of being close to organised crime.
Now that he is dead, he is suddenly a heroic martyr and an icon!

Nothing beats being assassinated to boost your public support!

So interesting he is viewd now as a hero.... pathetic!
(Tomislav USA, 12 March 2012 16:02)

Not as pathetic as people who see Milosevic, the man who bears most of the responsibility for all the mess and who totally ruined the country and people living there is still seen as a hero, even nowadays.

Milosevic was the traitor to Serbia - selling it out in order to keep in power, running mafias and other criminality, needlessly provoking bombings and costing the lives of thousands.

Milosevic was no loss to Serbia. He was a causer of its history of violence and a reflection of the shame that has bought.

Đinđić was a sad loss to Serbia. He is a victim of its history of violence and a mirror to the shame it has bought.

There are many noisy Serbs who didn't like Đinđić - and there were a lot who did and still do.

Đinđić was looking to a better future - the nationalists had messed up just about everything with their use of violence, so he was a much needed change. Kostunica was a retrenchment to the old nationalism but without the extremism - these were more lost years. Tadić is now establishing more sensible relations with the rest of the world and things look more hopeful for a better future for Serbs.

Serbs killed their own Prime Minister - how bad and sad is that? Things done with guns that should have been the province of the ballot box.

Its funny, when Dindic was alive he had very little support.
He was regarded as a traitor and accused of being close to organised crime. Now that he is dead, he is suddenly a heroic martyr and an icon!

Nothing beats being assassinated to boost your public support!
(Predrag, 12 March 2012 13:08)


Predrag, you are absolutely right! Me and many other Serbs despised Djindjic because while Serbia was being bombed in 1999, he was playing tennis with Robin Cook in Germany. He also wasn't directly elected by the people as you guys all know (because he never would have). He was favored by all the elites/intelligentsia in Beograd, but not in the rest of Serbia. So interesting he is viewd now as a hero.... pathetic!

Look I'm the first to admit that I had some serious issues with Djindjic whilst he was alive. I felt that his reforms were a little too brutal, and didn't like some of the people he was surrounded by. Some policies I had serious doubts about.

However, I'm big enough to admit that overall I was mistaken. Above all people admired Djindjic because of his energy and direction. This has been seriously absent since his passing. Now people don't always like somebody who is pushing a country in a certain direction, but generally they can respect that person for being capable of doing something.

Contrast that with other cautious, indecisive or cowardly players on the Serbian political scene of which there are many. They pander to what they think the public wants to hear. At least Djindjic believed in something.

So if people say to me, look at you, you never supported him when he was alive and now you regret his passing, I say there were logical reasons for not supporting him at the time. In any case my unmitigated support (my support is never unmitigated, but still) would not have saved him from assasination.

I am sorry for any person being assassinated, but he was certainly a politician that was financed and supported by Western mingling in Serbian politics. With that said, he lost my support. Leave Serbia to run its own affairs and elect its own leaders - even if they are considered butchers by the US State Dept. BTW, that same Dept. considered Thaci and his KLA terrorists, too, and they wound up putting him in power in Kosovo. Says something about the good ol' USA.

Learn to read, Tomislav (USA)

Comm. Parrisson wrote nothing what you imagine. And may I assume, Tomislav, that you weren't a member of Belgrade intelligentsia that supported Djindjic...?

His policies are still alive today and what good did they bring to Serbia? Nothing, Serbia is moving backwards. It is time for a u-turn.

We will not forget, we will not forgive.

Not as pathetic as people who see Milosevic, the man who bears most of the responsibility for all the mess and who totally ruined the country and people living there is still seen as a hero, even nowadays.
(Comm. Parrisson, 12 March 2012 17:12)

What a ridiculous ASSUMPTION on your part! Because I thought Djindjic was a traitor thst somehow makes me a Milosevic supporter? Get a grip!

You're wrong, Zorane

many, many people admire djindjic outside of "the ruling elite". Surprised you didn't notice that in all the time you spent in Serbia.

of course, this will get a lot of thumb's-down from the Australia četa

So interesting he is viewd now as a hero.... pathetic!
(Tomislav USA, 12 March 2012 16:02)
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Hey Tomislav, I don't think most Serbians consider him a hero. It is just the people in power now rewriting history to suit themselves while media outlets with tentacles leading to the West are supporting him.

Since the socialists are in power, the demonisation of Milošević has also been watered down. Đinđić's biggest mistake was to hand over Milošević (the leader of the opposition) against the constitution. A big no-no and he lied about some $5 billion reward Serbia will get. Anyway, we all know that cost him his life.

The street names in Belgrade seem to be renamed often. Sooner or later, so will Bulevar Zorana Đinđića.

(Olli, 12 March 2012 19:13)

Sorry Oli, he may have not said it, but he definitely tried to imply it which is why you are defending him (because you also agree with him of course). Also, while it may be true that I’m not part of the Beograd intelligentsia, but I am part of the US intelligentsia combating your nonsense (quite well I might add) over here and I make a lot more money than the elites back home since you seem interested to know. I didn't read my response earlier as I just typed it out and posted it because I was in a hurry (during my lunch break and I was interrupted; sorry, I gave you an opportunity to pounce… I guess). But now that you have my attention oh wise and infallible one, please do enlighten me about your stellar credentials???? I'll take a guess that you aren't part of any such esteemed group other than playing an Internet Forum Warrior from what I've seen from you in the past.

Đinđić's biggest mistake was to hand over Milošević (the leader of the opposition) against the constitution. A big no-no and he lied about some $5 billion reward Serbia will get. Anyway, we all know that cost him his life.
(Zoran, 12 March 2012 20:40)

A big no-no to implement UNSC Resolution 827 ?! Well, dear, Resolution 827 is still in force the same way that 1244 is still in force. Serbia can't pick and choose which Resolutions to implement and which not. Milosevic had to be handed over because Russia, China and others said so.

After losing four wars, the Serbs have no one left to fight.
On reading the posts here, it appears the Serbs have resorted to fighting with each other. Sad, but some how predictable. A quarrelsome and unruly bunch these Serbs.

So interesting he is viewd now as a hero.... pathetic!
(Tomislav USA, 12 March 2012 16:02)
--
Hey Tomislav, I don't think most Serbians consider him a hero. It is just the people in power now rewriting history to suit themselves while media outlets with tentacles leading to the West are supporting him.

Since the socialists are in power, the demonisation of Milošević has also been watered down. Đinđić's biggest mistake was to hand over Milošević (the leader of the opposition) against the constitution. A big no-no and he lied about some $5 billion reward Serbia will get. Anyway, we all know that cost him his life.

The street names in Belgrade seem to be renamed often. Sooner or later, so will Bulevar Zorana Đinđića.
(Zoran)
-

It's good to see some real sense amongst my compatriots.

Some good reads in this comment section. The one's who "miss" him are probably not even Serbians, so those supporters are irrelevent anyway.

A big no-no to implement UNSC Resolution 827 ?! Well, dear, Resolution 827 is still in force the same way that 1244 is still in force. Serbia can't pick and choose which Resolutions to implement and which not. Milosevic had to be handed over because Russia, China and others said so.
(icj1, 13 March 2012 04:27)
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It is difficult to argue against someone who thinks in black and white but I'll try anyway. It was against the Serbian constitution and Milošević was the leader of the opposition. If you think he had to, as he did, it was a miscalculation by him and his supporters. That's why he is six feet under. You have to ask yourself, what is more important - a constitution voted in by Serbians or a resolution that had no support from Serbians.

As for meeting Đinđić supporters, yes I have met some but most are not Serbs. I think there is only one Serb I have met (from the diaspora) that supports him. It doesn't mean others don't but that's my experience.

Look, it's fairly clear to most living in Serbia that we are under foreign occupation. I expect them to make a mess of Serbia as they have others (such as Greece) and the people will finally resist it. If anyone hasn't noticed, the EU is in the deep.

'When reforms started in my country, I supported them and thought they would bring us to brighter future. Then I realized that the reforms were much worse than all problems we experienced before...

Since then I hate liberal reformers...'

Oh, I knew the reforms would be a mixed bag and would only bring to brighter future to some. For example reforms are never going to help state employees or industries that are not making a profit. But at one point we have to choose, does the entire Serbian population subsidise a portion of its workforce and for how long, or do we try to create new employment.

Among other things I felt that the reforms were too brutal, but in other areas perhaps not quickly enough. For example it has taken years to begin to slim down on the bloated state apparatus and nobody has done a thing about reducing the number of MP's who barely attend parliament sessions, instead head straight to the restaurant and claim huge expenses - without receipts.

I always feel that people lower down will be more willing to make sacrifices if they see that people at the top have done so first. Djindjic actually did something of this type (of politics) when giving MP's a lecture from the podium in parliament saying that politicians shouldn't be in the chamber sleeping.

Zoran, Djindjic is not six feet under because he contravened the constitution. He is there because some criminals were afraid they would be arrested and sent to prison. It was a mafia thing, the mafia doesn't rely on legal arguments - except in US courtrooms of course.

I felt that his reforms were a little too brutal
(bganon)

When reforms started in my country, I supported them and thought they would bring us to brighter future. Then I realized that the reforms were much worse than all problems we experienced before...

Since then I hate liberal reformers...

I really wonder where you hang out in Belgrade, Zoran, and I can only imagine with whom.

I've met many, many, many Djindjic supporters, and they're all Serbs.

Its funny, when Dindic was alive he had very little support.
He was regarded as a traitor and accused of being close to organised crime. Now that he is dead, he is suddenly a heroic martyr and an icon!

Nothing beats being assassinated to boost your public support!
(Predrag, 12 March 2012 13:08)


Predrag, you are absolutely right! Me and many other Serbs despised Djindjic because while Serbia was being bombed in 1999, he was playing tennis with Robin Cook in Germany. He also wasn't directly elected by the people as you guys all know (because he never would have). He was favored by all the elites/intelligentsia in Beograd, but not in the rest of Serbia. So interesting he is viewd now as a hero.... pathetic!

His policies are still alive today and what good did they bring to Serbia? Nothing, Serbia is moving backwards. It is time for a u-turn.

I am sorry for any person being assassinated, but he was certainly a politician that was financed and supported by Western mingling in Serbian politics. With that said, he lost my support. Leave Serbia to run its own affairs and elect its own leaders - even if they are considered butchers by the US State Dept. BTW, that same Dept. considered Thaci and his KLA terrorists, too, and they wound up putting him in power in Kosovo. Says something about the good ol' USA.

You'll be my only Prime Minister for as long as I live.

So interesting he is viewd now as a hero.... pathetic!
(Tomislav USA, 12 March 2012 16:02)
--
Hey Tomislav, I don't think most Serbians consider him a hero. It is just the people in power now rewriting history to suit themselves while media outlets with tentacles leading to the West are supporting him.

Since the socialists are in power, the demonisation of Milošević has also been watered down. Đinđić's biggest mistake was to hand over Milošević (the leader of the opposition) against the constitution. A big no-no and he lied about some $5 billion reward Serbia will get. Anyway, we all know that cost him his life.

The street names in Belgrade seem to be renamed often. Sooner or later, so will Bulevar Zorana Đinđića.

Not as pathetic as people who see Milosevic, the man who bears most of the responsibility for all the mess and who totally ruined the country and people living there is still seen as a hero, even nowadays.
(Comm. Parrisson, 12 March 2012 17:12)

What a ridiculous ASSUMPTION on your part! Because I thought Djindjic was a traitor thst somehow makes me a Milosevic supporter? Get a grip!

Its funny, when Dindic was alive he had very little support.
He was regarded as a traitor and accused of being close to organised crime.
Now that he is dead, he is suddenly a heroic martyr and an icon!

Nothing beats being assassinated to boost your public support!

Djindjic was the best man Serbia could have after Milosevic's era, and he was assassinated. This is too bad for Serbia because this man alone would have made a big difference to put its country back on its tracks...

Milosevic was the traitor to Serbia - selling it out in order to keep in power, running mafias and other criminality, needlessly provoking bombings and costing the lives of thousands.

Milosevic was no loss to Serbia. He was a causer of its history of violence and a reflection of the shame that has bought.

Đinđić was a sad loss to Serbia. He is a victim of its history of violence and a mirror to the shame it has bought.

There are many noisy Serbs who didn't like Đinđić - and there were a lot who did and still do.

Đinđić was looking to a better future - the nationalists had messed up just about everything with their use of violence, so he was a much needed change. Kostunica was a retrenchment to the old nationalism but without the extremism - these were more lost years. Tadić is now establishing more sensible relations with the rest of the world and things look more hopeful for a better future for Serbs.

Serbs killed their own Prime Minister - how bad and sad is that? Things done with guns that should have been the province of the ballot box.

So interesting he is viewd now as a hero.... pathetic!
(Tomislav USA, 12 March 2012 16:02)
--
Hey Tomislav, I don't think most Serbians consider him a hero. It is just the people in power now rewriting history to suit themselves while media outlets with tentacles leading to the West are supporting him.

Since the socialists are in power, the demonisation of Milošević has also been watered down. Đinđić's biggest mistake was to hand over Milošević (the leader of the opposition) against the constitution. A big no-no and he lied about some $5 billion reward Serbia will get. Anyway, we all know that cost him his life.

The street names in Belgrade seem to be renamed often. Sooner or later, so will Bulevar Zorana Đinđića.
(Zoran)
-

It's good to see some real sense amongst my compatriots.

Some good reads in this comment section. The one's who "miss" him are probably not even Serbians, so those supporters are irrelevent anyway.

So interesting he is viewd now as a hero.... pathetic!
(Tomislav USA, 12 March 2012 16:02)

Not as pathetic as people who see Milosevic, the man who bears most of the responsibility for all the mess and who totally ruined the country and people living there is still seen as a hero, even nowadays.

(Olli, 12 March 2012 19:13)

Sorry Oli, he may have not said it, but he definitely tried to imply it which is why you are defending him (because you also agree with him of course). Also, while it may be true that I’m not part of the Beograd intelligentsia, but I am part of the US intelligentsia combating your nonsense (quite well I might add) over here and I make a lot more money than the elites back home since you seem interested to know. I didn't read my response earlier as I just typed it out and posted it because I was in a hurry (during my lunch break and I was interrupted; sorry, I gave you an opportunity to pounce… I guess). But now that you have my attention oh wise and infallible one, please do enlighten me about your stellar credentials???? I'll take a guess that you aren't part of any such esteemed group other than playing an Internet Forum Warrior from what I've seen from you in the past.

After losing four wars, the Serbs have no one left to fight.
On reading the posts here, it appears the Serbs have resorted to fighting with each other. Sad, but some how predictable. A quarrelsome and unruly bunch these Serbs.

A big no-no to implement UNSC Resolution 827 ?! Well, dear, Resolution 827 is still in force the same way that 1244 is still in force. Serbia can't pick and choose which Resolutions to implement and which not. Milosevic had to be handed over because Russia, China and others said so.
(icj1, 13 March 2012 04:27)
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It is difficult to argue against someone who thinks in black and white but I'll try anyway. It was against the Serbian constitution and Milošević was the leader of the opposition. If you think he had to, as he did, it was a miscalculation by him and his supporters. That's why he is six feet under. You have to ask yourself, what is more important - a constitution voted in by Serbians or a resolution that had no support from Serbians.

As for meeting Đinđić supporters, yes I have met some but most are not Serbs. I think there is only one Serb I have met (from the diaspora) that supports him. It doesn't mean others don't but that's my experience.

Look, it's fairly clear to most living in Serbia that we are under foreign occupation. I expect them to make a mess of Serbia as they have others (such as Greece) and the people will finally resist it. If anyone hasn't noticed, the EU is in the deep.

You're wrong, Zorane

many, many people admire djindjic outside of "the ruling elite". Surprised you didn't notice that in all the time you spent in Serbia.

of course, this will get a lot of thumb's-down from the Australia četa

Learn to read, Tomislav (USA)

Comm. Parrisson wrote nothing what you imagine. And may I assume, Tomislav, that you weren't a member of Belgrade intelligentsia that supported Djindjic...?

We will not forget, we will not forgive.

I felt that his reforms were a little too brutal
(bganon)

When reforms started in my country, I supported them and thought they would bring us to brighter future. Then I realized that the reforms were much worse than all problems we experienced before...

Since then I hate liberal reformers...

Look I'm the first to admit that I had some serious issues with Djindjic whilst he was alive. I felt that his reforms were a little too brutal, and didn't like some of the people he was surrounded by. Some policies I had serious doubts about.

However, I'm big enough to admit that overall I was mistaken. Above all people admired Djindjic because of his energy and direction. This has been seriously absent since his passing. Now people don't always like somebody who is pushing a country in a certain direction, but generally they can respect that person for being capable of doing something.

Contrast that with other cautious, indecisive or cowardly players on the Serbian political scene of which there are many. They pander to what they think the public wants to hear. At least Djindjic believed in something.

So if people say to me, look at you, you never supported him when he was alive and now you regret his passing, I say there were logical reasons for not supporting him at the time. In any case my unmitigated support (my support is never unmitigated, but still) would not have saved him from assasination.

Đinđić's biggest mistake was to hand over Milošević (the leader of the opposition) against the constitution. A big no-no and he lied about some $5 billion reward Serbia will get. Anyway, we all know that cost him his life.
(Zoran, 12 March 2012 20:40)

A big no-no to implement UNSC Resolution 827 ?! Well, dear, Resolution 827 is still in force the same way that 1244 is still in force. Serbia can't pick and choose which Resolutions to implement and which not. Milosevic had to be handed over because Russia, China and others said so.

I really wonder where you hang out in Belgrade, Zoran, and I can only imagine with whom.

I've met many, many, many Djindjic supporters, and they're all Serbs.

'When reforms started in my country, I supported them and thought they would bring us to brighter future. Then I realized that the reforms were much worse than all problems we experienced before...

Since then I hate liberal reformers...'

Oh, I knew the reforms would be a mixed bag and would only bring to brighter future to some. For example reforms are never going to help state employees or industries that are not making a profit. But at one point we have to choose, does the entire Serbian population subsidise a portion of its workforce and for how long, or do we try to create new employment.

Among other things I felt that the reforms were too brutal, but in other areas perhaps not quickly enough. For example it has taken years to begin to slim down on the bloated state apparatus and nobody has done a thing about reducing the number of MP's who barely attend parliament sessions, instead head straight to the restaurant and claim huge expenses - without receipts.

I always feel that people lower down will be more willing to make sacrifices if they see that people at the top have done so first. Djindjic actually did something of this type (of politics) when giving MP's a lecture from the podium in parliament saying that politicians shouldn't be in the chamber sleeping.

Zoran, Djindjic is not six feet under because he contravened the constitution. He is there because some criminals were afraid they would be arrested and sent to prison. It was a mafia thing, the mafia doesn't rely on legal arguments - except in US courtrooms of course.