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Saturday, 10.03.2012.

10:50

“Croatia will keep celebrating Operation Storm”

Croatia will continue to celebrate the Operation Storm despite the fact that the Hague Tribunal convicted Generals Ante Gotovina and Mladen Markač.

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Marcus

pre 12 godina

As should Serbs, for this operation further cemented the role of international law and territorial integrity. And the Helsinki Final Accords. And Westphalia. And sovereignty. I do hope these terms weren't forgotten? They came up a lot back in 2008...

Serbian Prince

pre 12 godina

A winning army yeah right... Look at what happened to your army in Vukovar... they were smashed by the JNA convincingly. Your great Desert Storm was only achieved when the JNA withdrew from Krajna then you attacked with the help of Nato and German foot soldiers. Give your head a shake!!

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

When these things are separated, then there can be more rational discussion on what happened. 250K Serbs were evacuated by the Serbs not the Croats, let's not forget that. Tudjman told them to stay. Disregarding these things is dishonest. Was Tudjman's plea for Serbs to stay window-dressing? Were to Croats saying one thing and doing another? This needs to be discussed honestly and rationally.

This is still a raw wound.
(Danilo, 11 March 2012 17:27)

Just like 700000 KAlbanians were evacuated by Albanians and NATO.

Taking of RSK and ethnical cleansing of the Serbs are inseparably connected.

Danilo

pre 12 godina

I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb here and I sincerely hope I don't offend anyone.

It seems to me that people are saying and hearing different things.

When Croats praise Oluja, are they praising the departure of 250k Serbs or are they praising the smashing of RSK?

In the context of that war, from the Croat side, smashing RSK is a legitimate military objective in what was, after all, a war. Whereas, ethnically cleansing a huge civilian population is not a legitimate operation.

These two things need to be disentangled for there to be any rational conversation on this topic.

When Croatian politicians praise Oluja are they praising the departure of Serbs? That's what Serbs hear. Croats need to be a little more honest about this.

When these things are separated, then there can be more rational discussion on what happened. 250K Serbs were evacuated by the Serbs not the Croats, let's not forget that. Tudjman told them to stay. Disregarding these things is dishonest. Was Tudjman's plea for Serbs to stay window-dressing? Were to Croats saying one thing and doing another? This needs to be discussed honestly and rationally.

This is still a raw wound.

sj

pre 12 godina

(CG, 10 March 2012 15:23) Only because Croatian and Albanian troops were their shoulder to shoulder with Serbs and no one else from Europe came to help Serbs. Later when Serbs were defeated subjected by Turks and taught by the Turks to be like them in words ,action and deeds. They have carried on like that ever since today you get 95% of the war criminals being Serbs in jail for their criminal war aggression convicted by the international court. That is why the Serbs are such "good neighbours" with all the country's around them everyone fled Serboslavia when possible. Croatians had our own parliament and politicians in those days just like Canada ,Australia ,America under the British crown. When Croatians where forced to join Serboslavia we were governed by direct dictates of Serbia. Our democratically elected politicians were gunned down in Belgrade Serboslavia Parliament by a Serb for that martial law was imposed on us by Serbs and robed ever since that. Still going on today by Serbia theft and we are not even part of of Serbia [link] just imagine before if we were was not part of that BS Croatia today would of been a top leading wealthy nation in Europe.
(Lenard, 10 March 2012 16:22)

Oh Lennny you have not been taking your medication. Serbs never forced your Croats into Serboslavia. It might be a little shock to learn that as part of the Croat delegation that went to Belgrade just after WW1 to ask to become part of Yugoslavia was a man called Ante Pavelic – you recall who he was? But you can tell me what battles your Croatian heroes fought to free themselves from the Austrian empire?
Stepan Radic was not assassinated as Wiki claims. He was wounded by a man named Punisa Racic from Montenegro after Radic wanted to “know the price of Serbian blood that was shed during WW1” and Racic pulled out a gun and shot him. What have Serbs robbed your Croatia? What do you have that is worth robbing? NOTHING at ALL. Your Croatia is now a free country and it should be very wealthy, but when bullshit is peddled as truth the end result id very disappointing. Croatia has only tourism to live off and nothing else, but its the Serbs fault all the time; those nasty Serbs.
The planrt you live on has Albanians and Croats saving Serbs LOL. Is there enough oxygen there as well? Your lot kicked all the Albanians out with Opoetrstion Strom and the Albanians did the same when they had their tern. Then there was the Croat and Bosnia allies where Croats turned against their friends and killed Bosniaks in central Bosnia; and yes it was the nasty Serbs again – all their fault.
Here is a little prediction, as we Serbs now control Croatia (look at your government) Operation Strom will be done away with in time. Ante Kotromanić is only blowing hot air up the Croats backside.. I have spent too much time with politicians not to know BS at its best.
But I do like you revision of history.

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 12 godina

For years I've taken to account that some Croats were not exactly angels and some Croats rightfully belong in the Hague detention unit.

truthiness

pre 12 godina

Isnt it rather strange that the same voices that always call Croats and Albabians fascists and Nazis etc , are the very same people who will always justify Seselj , Mladic , karadzic , Sreberenica etc.

Isnt it strange that those very same pople ALWAYS seem to think the Balkan wars started as a result of 1995 , and ALWAYS remain totally silent to the ethnic cleansning, murder and gonocide that took place BEFORE 1995 by the Serbian forces in krajina , slavonia ,bosnia and so on.

Let me make this perfectly clear - what ever you think of opersation storm - it was ABSOLUTELY the consequence of enthic cleansing and genocide committed by the Serbians you are so keen to glorify.

If you condemn Op storm - then be prepeared to stand up and firslty condemn yourself - because no matter how many times you scream "fascist or nazis or geneocide' and so on - the rest of the world looks at what you actually did , shake their heads and say 'HYPOCRITES !!"

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

He added that the “Operation Storm will be celebrated because it was undoubtedly the most important operation in Croatia’s history”.

LOL "Lijepa nasa" always was the most racist part of Yugoslavia. It's usually the people with the biggest inferiority complex. :)

Lenard

pre 12 godina

Stefan Lazarević became a loyal ally of Bayezid, going on to contribute significant forces to many of Bayezid's future military engagements, including the Battle of Nicopolis."
(WTH?, 10 March 2012 15:51) Yore rite and Serbs became Muslims in great numbers where ever they think their is a "free" lunch and no work they join http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nicopolis . Just like communist Yugoslavia they joined the communist party bureaucracy military. Way beyond their numbers warranted well over 200% + go figure that is why they were so violently upset. Serboslavia was falling apart and no more free lunches at the expense of other peoples all "good" things must come to THE END.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

This battle was a military draw between Serbia and the Ottoman Empire,30.000 men on each side died!
It was a success in halting the Ottomans conquest to Europe,at least temporarily...
Croats at this time where already 300 years subjugated by Austrians and Hungarians,and there were no Albanians in the Balkans yet!
(CG, 10 March 2012 15:23) Only because Croatian and Albanian troops were their shoulder to shoulder with Serbs and no one else from Europe came to help Serbs. Later when Serbs were defeated subjected by Turks and taught by the Turks to be like them in words ,action and deeds. They have carried on like that ever since today you get 95% of the war criminals being Serbs in jail for their criminal war aggression convicted by the international court. That is why the Serbs are such "good neighbours" with all the country's around them everyone fled Serboslavia when possible. Croatians had our own parliament and politicians in those days just like Canada ,Australia ,America under the British crown. When Croatians where forced to join Serboslavia we were governed by direct dictates of Serbia. Our democratically elected politicians were gunned down in Belgrade Serboslavia Parliament by a Serb for that martial law was imposed on us by Serbs and robed ever since that. Still going on today by Serbia theft and we are not even part of of Serbia http://english.blic.rs/Economy/8032/Croatian-companies-shall-sue-Serbia-if-it-sells-their-property just imagine before if we were was not part of that BS Croatia today would of been a top leading wealthy nation in Europe.

WTH?

pre 12 godina

Should Kosovo celebrate the ethnic cleansing of 300,000 Serbs since 2000???
(zman, 10 March 2012 14:49)

If they had managed "the ethnic cleansing of 300,000 Serbs since 2000" you would now have a negative number of Serbs living in Kosovo. If you make up numbers take at least care that they are halfway believable.

WTH?

pre 12 godina

It was a success in halting the Ottomans conquest to Europe,at least temporarily...
(CG, 10 March 2012 15:23)

You have a strange definition of "success". Wikipedia's account of your "success":

"The bulk of both armies were wiped out in the battle; both Lazar and Murad lost their lives, and the remnants of their armies eventually retreated from the battlefield. The Serbs were left with too few men to defend their lands effectively, while the Turks had many more troops in the east. Consequently, the Serbian principalities that were not already Ottoman vassals, one after the other became so in the following years. Furthermore, in response to Turkish pressure, some Serbian noblemen wed their daughters, including the daughter of Prince Lazar, to Bayezid. In the wake of these marriages, Stefan Lazarević became a loyal ally of Bayezid, going on to contribute significant forces to many of Bayezid's future military engagements, including the Battle of Nicopolis."

Dragan

pre 12 godina

Well what do you expect from a country whose only claim to fame are two genocides, Jasenovac and Operation Storm (for which they were rewarded by Tito and by NATO war criminals). This is the only thing they have to celebrate. A pathetic lot.

CG

pre 12 godina

There is a certain nation that is still celebrating being defeated in the 14th century by invading Turkish hordes. So what?
(WTH?, 10 March 2012 13:24)

This battle was a military draw between Serbia and the Ottoman Empire,30.000 men on each side died!
It was a success in halting the Ottomans conquest to Europe,at least temporarily...
Croats at this time where already 300 years subjugated by Austrians and Hungarians,and there were no Albanians in the Balkans yet!

zman

pre 12 godina

This is crazy.. Why don't the germans celebrate Hitler??

Since when is an army who commits ethnic cleansing and mass slaugher backed by MASSIVE NATO bombings is acceptable?? Should Kosovo celebrate the ethnic cleansing of 300,000 Serbs since 2000???

DD

pre 12 godina

After years of war against serbian troops, Croats launched a major offensive and defeated the enemy. All important victories should be celebrated by a nation, and that's what Croatia is doing.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

This is good that they are doing this, because it is all good evidence for a Genocide Lawsuit that should never have been dropped against Croatia.

It is good that there is no statue of limitations when it comes to War Crimes, and Croatia is on the record of celebrating War Crimes.

This means that if Croatia values the Money that Tourism brings, then they will try hard to join the Human Race if they are smart, because Tadic and Company will not always be there.

The Croatians and Albanians use Racism to sometimes quickly and sometimes to slowly but surely drive the Serbs away.

They do this because Croatia and Kosovo want to create a Catholic Dictatorship, and an Islamic Dictatorship, and that is why they need ethnic cleansing of Territories that they claim first, and they have America’s and the European Union’s support for this.

This might help the Serbian People to realize that you cannot negotiate with Terrorists, and they should go back on any deals with the Albanians that are not in Serbia’s interests.

The European Union cannot take back their European Union Candidate Status, because one European Union Country will Veto it, and even if they did, then Serbia should make this a matter for United Nations General Assembly motions.

I had a few older Relatives who have passed on, and even though they were good People and I loved them and they love me, and while I have my faults, what is true, is true.

They were Incredibly Stupid, and perhaps too many Serbs fall into this category, because they Voted for Tadic and Company, even though the Very Intelligent but Selfish Serbian Citizens will Vote for the Unprincipled Tadic and Company, because they hope to exploit their fellow Serbs with the help of Tadic and Company.

I never wished those elderly relatives who have passed on anything bad, but I can assure everyone that life is very pleasant when you do not have dealings with Stupid People, and if Serbian People want better conditions, then they know that Tadic and Company must go.

Serbia should not negotiate with the Terrorist Criminal Albanians based in Pristina, until the Kosovo Albanians renounce Criminality, Terrorism, and until every Country has withdrawn their Filthy, Criminal, and Vile support for Albanian Criminality.

Serbia should continuously and in a nagging way put endless motions such as the Territorial Integrity of Countries and Many other motions that have been thought of by the DSS to the United Nations General Assembly, until this matter is resolved Fairly, with all Reasonableness, and Accordingly to Law.

CG

pre 12 godina

Just think about how our enemies would be moaning if Serbs on every July 11th would celebrate "The decisive Serbian victory in the battle of Srebrenica"!
As far as Croatia is concerned,it is cleary a genocidal entity,founded upon the genocide on the Serb and Italian people,the result of a long time Croatian fascist policy,begining with Ante Starcevic in the late 19 century to Ante Pavelic in WW2 ending with Franjo Tudjman!

BTW Oluja was not a military operation,it was a classic ethnic cleansing operation of a defenceless civilian population!
Two years before,the Yugoslav Army was forced by Western powers in 1993 to leave Croatia through an agreement and return to Serbia and was replaced by few numbered and ill equipped Serb militias and UN "forces" who didn`t give a damn about the population!

DD

pre 12 godina

After years of war against serbian troops, Croats launched a major offensive and defeated the enemy. All important victories should be celebrated by a nation, and that's what Croatia is doing.

CG

pre 12 godina

Just think about how our enemies would be moaning if Serbs on every July 11th would celebrate "The decisive Serbian victory in the battle of Srebrenica"!
As far as Croatia is concerned,it is cleary a genocidal entity,founded upon the genocide on the Serb and Italian people,the result of a long time Croatian fascist policy,begining with Ante Starcevic in the late 19 century to Ante Pavelic in WW2 ending with Franjo Tudjman!

BTW Oluja was not a military operation,it was a classic ethnic cleansing operation of a defenceless civilian population!
Two years before,the Yugoslav Army was forced by Western powers in 1993 to leave Croatia through an agreement and return to Serbia and was replaced by few numbered and ill equipped Serb militias and UN "forces" who didn`t give a damn about the population!

Dragan

pre 12 godina

Well what do you expect from a country whose only claim to fame are two genocides, Jasenovac and Operation Storm (for which they were rewarded by Tito and by NATO war criminals). This is the only thing they have to celebrate. A pathetic lot.

WTH?

pre 12 godina

It was a success in halting the Ottomans conquest to Europe,at least temporarily...
(CG, 10 March 2012 15:23)

You have a strange definition of "success". Wikipedia's account of your "success":

"The bulk of both armies were wiped out in the battle; both Lazar and Murad lost their lives, and the remnants of their armies eventually retreated from the battlefield. The Serbs were left with too few men to defend their lands effectively, while the Turks had many more troops in the east. Consequently, the Serbian principalities that were not already Ottoman vassals, one after the other became so in the following years. Furthermore, in response to Turkish pressure, some Serbian noblemen wed their daughters, including the daughter of Prince Lazar, to Bayezid. In the wake of these marriages, Stefan Lazarević became a loyal ally of Bayezid, going on to contribute significant forces to many of Bayezid's future military engagements, including the Battle of Nicopolis."

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

This is good that they are doing this, because it is all good evidence for a Genocide Lawsuit that should never have been dropped against Croatia.

It is good that there is no statue of limitations when it comes to War Crimes, and Croatia is on the record of celebrating War Crimes.

This means that if Croatia values the Money that Tourism brings, then they will try hard to join the Human Race if they are smart, because Tadic and Company will not always be there.

The Croatians and Albanians use Racism to sometimes quickly and sometimes to slowly but surely drive the Serbs away.

They do this because Croatia and Kosovo want to create a Catholic Dictatorship, and an Islamic Dictatorship, and that is why they need ethnic cleansing of Territories that they claim first, and they have America’s and the European Union’s support for this.

This might help the Serbian People to realize that you cannot negotiate with Terrorists, and they should go back on any deals with the Albanians that are not in Serbia’s interests.

The European Union cannot take back their European Union Candidate Status, because one European Union Country will Veto it, and even if they did, then Serbia should make this a matter for United Nations General Assembly motions.

I had a few older Relatives who have passed on, and even though they were good People and I loved them and they love me, and while I have my faults, what is true, is true.

They were Incredibly Stupid, and perhaps too many Serbs fall into this category, because they Voted for Tadic and Company, even though the Very Intelligent but Selfish Serbian Citizens will Vote for the Unprincipled Tadic and Company, because they hope to exploit their fellow Serbs with the help of Tadic and Company.

I never wished those elderly relatives who have passed on anything bad, but I can assure everyone that life is very pleasant when you do not have dealings with Stupid People, and if Serbian People want better conditions, then they know that Tadic and Company must go.

Serbia should not negotiate with the Terrorist Criminal Albanians based in Pristina, until the Kosovo Albanians renounce Criminality, Terrorism, and until every Country has withdrawn their Filthy, Criminal, and Vile support for Albanian Criminality.

Serbia should continuously and in a nagging way put endless motions such as the Territorial Integrity of Countries and Many other motions that have been thought of by the DSS to the United Nations General Assembly, until this matter is resolved Fairly, with all Reasonableness, and Accordingly to Law.

zman

pre 12 godina

This is crazy.. Why don't the germans celebrate Hitler??

Since when is an army who commits ethnic cleansing and mass slaugher backed by MASSIVE NATO bombings is acceptable?? Should Kosovo celebrate the ethnic cleansing of 300,000 Serbs since 2000???

CG

pre 12 godina

There is a certain nation that is still celebrating being defeated in the 14th century by invading Turkish hordes. So what?
(WTH?, 10 March 2012 13:24)

This battle was a military draw between Serbia and the Ottoman Empire,30.000 men on each side died!
It was a success in halting the Ottomans conquest to Europe,at least temporarily...
Croats at this time where already 300 years subjugated by Austrians and Hungarians,and there were no Albanians in the Balkans yet!

WTH?

pre 12 godina

Should Kosovo celebrate the ethnic cleansing of 300,000 Serbs since 2000???
(zman, 10 March 2012 14:49)

If they had managed "the ethnic cleansing of 300,000 Serbs since 2000" you would now have a negative number of Serbs living in Kosovo. If you make up numbers take at least care that they are halfway believable.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

He added that the “Operation Storm will be celebrated because it was undoubtedly the most important operation in Croatia’s history”.

LOL "Lijepa nasa" always was the most racist part of Yugoslavia. It's usually the people with the biggest inferiority complex. :)

truthiness

pre 12 godina

Isnt it rather strange that the same voices that always call Croats and Albabians fascists and Nazis etc , are the very same people who will always justify Seselj , Mladic , karadzic , Sreberenica etc.

Isnt it strange that those very same pople ALWAYS seem to think the Balkan wars started as a result of 1995 , and ALWAYS remain totally silent to the ethnic cleansning, murder and gonocide that took place BEFORE 1995 by the Serbian forces in krajina , slavonia ,bosnia and so on.

Let me make this perfectly clear - what ever you think of opersation storm - it was ABSOLUTELY the consequence of enthic cleansing and genocide committed by the Serbians you are so keen to glorify.

If you condemn Op storm - then be prepeared to stand up and firslty condemn yourself - because no matter how many times you scream "fascist or nazis or geneocide' and so on - the rest of the world looks at what you actually did , shake their heads and say 'HYPOCRITES !!"

Lenard

pre 12 godina

This battle was a military draw between Serbia and the Ottoman Empire,30.000 men on each side died!
It was a success in halting the Ottomans conquest to Europe,at least temporarily...
Croats at this time where already 300 years subjugated by Austrians and Hungarians,and there were no Albanians in the Balkans yet!
(CG, 10 March 2012 15:23) Only because Croatian and Albanian troops were their shoulder to shoulder with Serbs and no one else from Europe came to help Serbs. Later when Serbs were defeated subjected by Turks and taught by the Turks to be like them in words ,action and deeds. They have carried on like that ever since today you get 95% of the war criminals being Serbs in jail for their criminal war aggression convicted by the international court. That is why the Serbs are such "good neighbours" with all the country's around them everyone fled Serboslavia when possible. Croatians had our own parliament and politicians in those days just like Canada ,Australia ,America under the British crown. When Croatians where forced to join Serboslavia we were governed by direct dictates of Serbia. Our democratically elected politicians were gunned down in Belgrade Serboslavia Parliament by a Serb for that martial law was imposed on us by Serbs and robed ever since that. Still going on today by Serbia theft and we are not even part of of Serbia http://english.blic.rs/Economy/8032/Croatian-companies-shall-sue-Serbia-if-it-sells-their-property just imagine before if we were was not part of that BS Croatia today would of been a top leading wealthy nation in Europe.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

Stefan Lazarević became a loyal ally of Bayezid, going on to contribute significant forces to many of Bayezid's future military engagements, including the Battle of Nicopolis."
(WTH?, 10 March 2012 15:51) Yore rite and Serbs became Muslims in great numbers where ever they think their is a "free" lunch and no work they join http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nicopolis . Just like communist Yugoslavia they joined the communist party bureaucracy military. Way beyond their numbers warranted well over 200% + go figure that is why they were so violently upset. Serboslavia was falling apart and no more free lunches at the expense of other peoples all "good" things must come to THE END.

sj

pre 12 godina

(CG, 10 March 2012 15:23) Only because Croatian and Albanian troops were their shoulder to shoulder with Serbs and no one else from Europe came to help Serbs. Later when Serbs were defeated subjected by Turks and taught by the Turks to be like them in words ,action and deeds. They have carried on like that ever since today you get 95% of the war criminals being Serbs in jail for their criminal war aggression convicted by the international court. That is why the Serbs are such "good neighbours" with all the country's around them everyone fled Serboslavia when possible. Croatians had our own parliament and politicians in those days just like Canada ,Australia ,America under the British crown. When Croatians where forced to join Serboslavia we were governed by direct dictates of Serbia. Our democratically elected politicians were gunned down in Belgrade Serboslavia Parliament by a Serb for that martial law was imposed on us by Serbs and robed ever since that. Still going on today by Serbia theft and we are not even part of of Serbia [link] just imagine before if we were was not part of that BS Croatia today would of been a top leading wealthy nation in Europe.
(Lenard, 10 March 2012 16:22)

Oh Lennny you have not been taking your medication. Serbs never forced your Croats into Serboslavia. It might be a little shock to learn that as part of the Croat delegation that went to Belgrade just after WW1 to ask to become part of Yugoslavia was a man called Ante Pavelic – you recall who he was? But you can tell me what battles your Croatian heroes fought to free themselves from the Austrian empire?
Stepan Radic was not assassinated as Wiki claims. He was wounded by a man named Punisa Racic from Montenegro after Radic wanted to “know the price of Serbian blood that was shed during WW1” and Racic pulled out a gun and shot him. What have Serbs robbed your Croatia? What do you have that is worth robbing? NOTHING at ALL. Your Croatia is now a free country and it should be very wealthy, but when bullshit is peddled as truth the end result id very disappointing. Croatia has only tourism to live off and nothing else, but its the Serbs fault all the time; those nasty Serbs.
The planrt you live on has Albanians and Croats saving Serbs LOL. Is there enough oxygen there as well? Your lot kicked all the Albanians out with Opoetrstion Strom and the Albanians did the same when they had their tern. Then there was the Croat and Bosnia allies where Croats turned against their friends and killed Bosniaks in central Bosnia; and yes it was the nasty Serbs again – all their fault.
Here is a little prediction, as we Serbs now control Croatia (look at your government) Operation Strom will be done away with in time. Ante Kotromanić is only blowing hot air up the Croats backside.. I have spent too much time with politicians not to know BS at its best.
But I do like you revision of history.

Danilo

pre 12 godina

I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb here and I sincerely hope I don't offend anyone.

It seems to me that people are saying and hearing different things.

When Croats praise Oluja, are they praising the departure of 250k Serbs or are they praising the smashing of RSK?

In the context of that war, from the Croat side, smashing RSK is a legitimate military objective in what was, after all, a war. Whereas, ethnically cleansing a huge civilian population is not a legitimate operation.

These two things need to be disentangled for there to be any rational conversation on this topic.

When Croatian politicians praise Oluja are they praising the departure of Serbs? That's what Serbs hear. Croats need to be a little more honest about this.

When these things are separated, then there can be more rational discussion on what happened. 250K Serbs were evacuated by the Serbs not the Croats, let's not forget that. Tudjman told them to stay. Disregarding these things is dishonest. Was Tudjman's plea for Serbs to stay window-dressing? Were to Croats saying one thing and doing another? This needs to be discussed honestly and rationally.

This is still a raw wound.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

When these things are separated, then there can be more rational discussion on what happened. 250K Serbs were evacuated by the Serbs not the Croats, let's not forget that. Tudjman told them to stay. Disregarding these things is dishonest. Was Tudjman's plea for Serbs to stay window-dressing? Were to Croats saying one thing and doing another? This needs to be discussed honestly and rationally.

This is still a raw wound.
(Danilo, 11 March 2012 17:27)

Just like 700000 KAlbanians were evacuated by Albanians and NATO.

Taking of RSK and ethnical cleansing of the Serbs are inseparably connected.

Serbian Prince

pre 12 godina

A winning army yeah right... Look at what happened to your army in Vukovar... they were smashed by the JNA convincingly. Your great Desert Storm was only achieved when the JNA withdrew from Krajna then you attacked with the help of Nato and German foot soldiers. Give your head a shake!!

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 12 godina

For years I've taken to account that some Croats were not exactly angels and some Croats rightfully belong in the Hague detention unit.

Marcus

pre 12 godina

As should Serbs, for this operation further cemented the role of international law and territorial integrity. And the Helsinki Final Accords. And Westphalia. And sovereignty. I do hope these terms weren't forgotten? They came up a lot back in 2008...

DD

pre 12 godina

After years of war against serbian troops, Croats launched a major offensive and defeated the enemy. All important victories should be celebrated by a nation, and that's what Croatia is doing.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

Well what do you expect from a country whose only claim to fame are two genocides, Jasenovac and Operation Storm (for which they were rewarded by Tito and by NATO war criminals). This is the only thing they have to celebrate. A pathetic lot.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

This is good that they are doing this, because it is all good evidence for a Genocide Lawsuit that should never have been dropped against Croatia.

It is good that there is no statue of limitations when it comes to War Crimes, and Croatia is on the record of celebrating War Crimes.

This means that if Croatia values the Money that Tourism brings, then they will try hard to join the Human Race if they are smart, because Tadic and Company will not always be there.

The Croatians and Albanians use Racism to sometimes quickly and sometimes to slowly but surely drive the Serbs away.

They do this because Croatia and Kosovo want to create a Catholic Dictatorship, and an Islamic Dictatorship, and that is why they need ethnic cleansing of Territories that they claim first, and they have America’s and the European Union’s support for this.

This might help the Serbian People to realize that you cannot negotiate with Terrorists, and they should go back on any deals with the Albanians that are not in Serbia’s interests.

The European Union cannot take back their European Union Candidate Status, because one European Union Country will Veto it, and even if they did, then Serbia should make this a matter for United Nations General Assembly motions.

I had a few older Relatives who have passed on, and even though they were good People and I loved them and they love me, and while I have my faults, what is true, is true.

They were Incredibly Stupid, and perhaps too many Serbs fall into this category, because they Voted for Tadic and Company, even though the Very Intelligent but Selfish Serbian Citizens will Vote for the Unprincipled Tadic and Company, because they hope to exploit their fellow Serbs with the help of Tadic and Company.

I never wished those elderly relatives who have passed on anything bad, but I can assure everyone that life is very pleasant when you do not have dealings with Stupid People, and if Serbian People want better conditions, then they know that Tadic and Company must go.

Serbia should not negotiate with the Terrorist Criminal Albanians based in Pristina, until the Kosovo Albanians renounce Criminality, Terrorism, and until every Country has withdrawn their Filthy, Criminal, and Vile support for Albanian Criminality.

Serbia should continuously and in a nagging way put endless motions such as the Territorial Integrity of Countries and Many other motions that have been thought of by the DSS to the United Nations General Assembly, until this matter is resolved Fairly, with all Reasonableness, and Accordingly to Law.

CG

pre 12 godina

Just think about how our enemies would be moaning if Serbs on every July 11th would celebrate "The decisive Serbian victory in the battle of Srebrenica"!
As far as Croatia is concerned,it is cleary a genocidal entity,founded upon the genocide on the Serb and Italian people,the result of a long time Croatian fascist policy,begining with Ante Starcevic in the late 19 century to Ante Pavelic in WW2 ending with Franjo Tudjman!

BTW Oluja was not a military operation,it was a classic ethnic cleansing operation of a defenceless civilian population!
Two years before,the Yugoslav Army was forced by Western powers in 1993 to leave Croatia through an agreement and return to Serbia and was replaced by few numbered and ill equipped Serb militias and UN "forces" who didn`t give a damn about the population!

zman

pre 12 godina

This is crazy.. Why don't the germans celebrate Hitler??

Since when is an army who commits ethnic cleansing and mass slaugher backed by MASSIVE NATO bombings is acceptable?? Should Kosovo celebrate the ethnic cleansing of 300,000 Serbs since 2000???

CG

pre 12 godina

There is a certain nation that is still celebrating being defeated in the 14th century by invading Turkish hordes. So what?
(WTH?, 10 March 2012 13:24)

This battle was a military draw between Serbia and the Ottoman Empire,30.000 men on each side died!
It was a success in halting the Ottomans conquest to Europe,at least temporarily...
Croats at this time where already 300 years subjugated by Austrians and Hungarians,and there were no Albanians in the Balkans yet!

Lenard

pre 12 godina

This battle was a military draw between Serbia and the Ottoman Empire,30.000 men on each side died!
It was a success in halting the Ottomans conquest to Europe,at least temporarily...
Croats at this time where already 300 years subjugated by Austrians and Hungarians,and there were no Albanians in the Balkans yet!
(CG, 10 March 2012 15:23) Only because Croatian and Albanian troops were their shoulder to shoulder with Serbs and no one else from Europe came to help Serbs. Later when Serbs were defeated subjected by Turks and taught by the Turks to be like them in words ,action and deeds. They have carried on like that ever since today you get 95% of the war criminals being Serbs in jail for their criminal war aggression convicted by the international court. That is why the Serbs are such "good neighbours" with all the country's around them everyone fled Serboslavia when possible. Croatians had our own parliament and politicians in those days just like Canada ,Australia ,America under the British crown. When Croatians where forced to join Serboslavia we were governed by direct dictates of Serbia. Our democratically elected politicians were gunned down in Belgrade Serboslavia Parliament by a Serb for that martial law was imposed on us by Serbs and robed ever since that. Still going on today by Serbia theft and we are not even part of of Serbia http://english.blic.rs/Economy/8032/Croatian-companies-shall-sue-Serbia-if-it-sells-their-property just imagine before if we were was not part of that BS Croatia today would of been a top leading wealthy nation in Europe.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

Stefan Lazarević became a loyal ally of Bayezid, going on to contribute significant forces to many of Bayezid's future military engagements, including the Battle of Nicopolis."
(WTH?, 10 March 2012 15:51) Yore rite and Serbs became Muslims in great numbers where ever they think their is a "free" lunch and no work they join http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nicopolis . Just like communist Yugoslavia they joined the communist party bureaucracy military. Way beyond their numbers warranted well over 200% + go figure that is why they were so violently upset. Serboslavia was falling apart and no more free lunches at the expense of other peoples all "good" things must come to THE END.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

He added that the “Operation Storm will be celebrated because it was undoubtedly the most important operation in Croatia’s history”.

LOL "Lijepa nasa" always was the most racist part of Yugoslavia. It's usually the people with the biggest inferiority complex. :)

WTH?

pre 12 godina

Should Kosovo celebrate the ethnic cleansing of 300,000 Serbs since 2000???
(zman, 10 March 2012 14:49)

If they had managed "the ethnic cleansing of 300,000 Serbs since 2000" you would now have a negative number of Serbs living in Kosovo. If you make up numbers take at least care that they are halfway believable.

WTH?

pre 12 godina

It was a success in halting the Ottomans conquest to Europe,at least temporarily...
(CG, 10 March 2012 15:23)

You have a strange definition of "success". Wikipedia's account of your "success":

"The bulk of both armies were wiped out in the battle; both Lazar and Murad lost their lives, and the remnants of their armies eventually retreated from the battlefield. The Serbs were left with too few men to defend their lands effectively, while the Turks had many more troops in the east. Consequently, the Serbian principalities that were not already Ottoman vassals, one after the other became so in the following years. Furthermore, in response to Turkish pressure, some Serbian noblemen wed their daughters, including the daughter of Prince Lazar, to Bayezid. In the wake of these marriages, Stefan Lazarević became a loyal ally of Bayezid, going on to contribute significant forces to many of Bayezid's future military engagements, including the Battle of Nicopolis."

truthiness

pre 12 godina

Isnt it rather strange that the same voices that always call Croats and Albabians fascists and Nazis etc , are the very same people who will always justify Seselj , Mladic , karadzic , Sreberenica etc.

Isnt it strange that those very same pople ALWAYS seem to think the Balkan wars started as a result of 1995 , and ALWAYS remain totally silent to the ethnic cleansning, murder and gonocide that took place BEFORE 1995 by the Serbian forces in krajina , slavonia ,bosnia and so on.

Let me make this perfectly clear - what ever you think of opersation storm - it was ABSOLUTELY the consequence of enthic cleansing and genocide committed by the Serbians you are so keen to glorify.

If you condemn Op storm - then be prepeared to stand up and firslty condemn yourself - because no matter how many times you scream "fascist or nazis or geneocide' and so on - the rest of the world looks at what you actually did , shake their heads and say 'HYPOCRITES !!"

sj

pre 12 godina

(CG, 10 March 2012 15:23) Only because Croatian and Albanian troops were their shoulder to shoulder with Serbs and no one else from Europe came to help Serbs. Later when Serbs were defeated subjected by Turks and taught by the Turks to be like them in words ,action and deeds. They have carried on like that ever since today you get 95% of the war criminals being Serbs in jail for their criminal war aggression convicted by the international court. That is why the Serbs are such "good neighbours" with all the country's around them everyone fled Serboslavia when possible. Croatians had our own parliament and politicians in those days just like Canada ,Australia ,America under the British crown. When Croatians where forced to join Serboslavia we were governed by direct dictates of Serbia. Our democratically elected politicians were gunned down in Belgrade Serboslavia Parliament by a Serb for that martial law was imposed on us by Serbs and robed ever since that. Still going on today by Serbia theft and we are not even part of of Serbia [link] just imagine before if we were was not part of that BS Croatia today would of been a top leading wealthy nation in Europe.
(Lenard, 10 March 2012 16:22)

Oh Lennny you have not been taking your medication. Serbs never forced your Croats into Serboslavia. It might be a little shock to learn that as part of the Croat delegation that went to Belgrade just after WW1 to ask to become part of Yugoslavia was a man called Ante Pavelic – you recall who he was? But you can tell me what battles your Croatian heroes fought to free themselves from the Austrian empire?
Stepan Radic was not assassinated as Wiki claims. He was wounded by a man named Punisa Racic from Montenegro after Radic wanted to “know the price of Serbian blood that was shed during WW1” and Racic pulled out a gun and shot him. What have Serbs robbed your Croatia? What do you have that is worth robbing? NOTHING at ALL. Your Croatia is now a free country and it should be very wealthy, but when bullshit is peddled as truth the end result id very disappointing. Croatia has only tourism to live off and nothing else, but its the Serbs fault all the time; those nasty Serbs.
The planrt you live on has Albanians and Croats saving Serbs LOL. Is there enough oxygen there as well? Your lot kicked all the Albanians out with Opoetrstion Strom and the Albanians did the same when they had their tern. Then there was the Croat and Bosnia allies where Croats turned against their friends and killed Bosniaks in central Bosnia; and yes it was the nasty Serbs again – all their fault.
Here is a little prediction, as we Serbs now control Croatia (look at your government) Operation Strom will be done away with in time. Ante Kotromanić is only blowing hot air up the Croats backside.. I have spent too much time with politicians not to know BS at its best.
But I do like you revision of history.

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 12 godina

For years I've taken to account that some Croats were not exactly angels and some Croats rightfully belong in the Hague detention unit.

Serbian Prince

pre 12 godina

A winning army yeah right... Look at what happened to your army in Vukovar... they were smashed by the JNA convincingly. Your great Desert Storm was only achieved when the JNA withdrew from Krajna then you attacked with the help of Nato and German foot soldiers. Give your head a shake!!

Danilo

pre 12 godina

I'm going to go out on a bit of a limb here and I sincerely hope I don't offend anyone.

It seems to me that people are saying and hearing different things.

When Croats praise Oluja, are they praising the departure of 250k Serbs or are they praising the smashing of RSK?

In the context of that war, from the Croat side, smashing RSK is a legitimate military objective in what was, after all, a war. Whereas, ethnically cleansing a huge civilian population is not a legitimate operation.

These two things need to be disentangled for there to be any rational conversation on this topic.

When Croatian politicians praise Oluja are they praising the departure of Serbs? That's what Serbs hear. Croats need to be a little more honest about this.

When these things are separated, then there can be more rational discussion on what happened. 250K Serbs were evacuated by the Serbs not the Croats, let's not forget that. Tudjman told them to stay. Disregarding these things is dishonest. Was Tudjman's plea for Serbs to stay window-dressing? Were to Croats saying one thing and doing another? This needs to be discussed honestly and rationally.

This is still a raw wound.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

When these things are separated, then there can be more rational discussion on what happened. 250K Serbs were evacuated by the Serbs not the Croats, let's not forget that. Tudjman told them to stay. Disregarding these things is dishonest. Was Tudjman's plea for Serbs to stay window-dressing? Were to Croats saying one thing and doing another? This needs to be discussed honestly and rationally.

This is still a raw wound.
(Danilo, 11 March 2012 17:27)

Just like 700000 KAlbanians were evacuated by Albanians and NATO.

Taking of RSK and ethnical cleansing of the Serbs are inseparably connected.

Marcus

pre 12 godina

As should Serbs, for this operation further cemented the role of international law and territorial integrity. And the Helsinki Final Accords. And Westphalia. And sovereignty. I do hope these terms weren't forgotten? They came up a lot back in 2008...