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Thursday, 08.03.2012.

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U.S. against elections in Kosovo, ambassador says

The U.S. supports Kosovo’s sovereignty, U.S. Ambassador to Serbia Mary Warlick has said.

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Shpetim

pre 12 godina

Dragan

So they stayd in Kosova illegally? Are you really so dim? What you're telling me, is people entered Yugoslavia, from Albania even as late as the 1980's and there is no footage of them doing so or even say a news report. Whats more, the Serbs emigrated to Serbia and were being chased out by those illegal Albanians and the Yugoslavia authorities did nothing. I do know that most Serb posters here believe the most bizarre explanations (like the CIA broke up Yugoslavia) but if you engage your brain for even a little second, you'll realize how outlandish it sounds that half a million Albanians crossed over in the space of 30 years and there is no records on show to back it up

Dragan

pre 12 godina

except, this is all very recent. there must be some footage of this massive Albanian migration in the 1960's. let us see it.
(Shpetim, 10 March 2012 23:11)

Are you 10 years old, or just a little slow? You want video footage of each illegal immigrant that crossed from Albania to Serbia for a better life? Hint, lots of them came over in cars for a 'visit', and never left. The facts are there, whether they came over on a donkey or snuck through the woods, you and your relatives probably know better than me. You seem to be good at smuggling all sorts of things after all, including human organs.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

How about Richard Jansen, he's not a Serb:
http://lamar.colostate.edu/~grjan/kosovohistory.html

Let's summarize:

'In Kosovo, under Albanian and German rule nearly 100,000 Albanians moved into Kosovo. Serbs were harassed and attacked by the occupying force of Albanians.

In 1967 Tito made his first visit to Kosovo. He purged Alexander Rankovic, who was a strong Serbian "centralist" and much hated in Kosovo, from power in Kosovo. This created euphoria among the Albanian population. More concessions were made to Albanian nationalism dealing with languages, education and other cultural issues. A veritable flood of Albanian nationalism was the predictable result. Because of immigration of Albanians, emigration of Serbs and a very high Albanian birthrate from 1961 to 1971 Albanians increased from 67% to 74% of the population .

These developments continued and intensified.... A continued demographic explosion of births among low- income, poorly educated Albanians who became dependents of the government increased the financial drain and increased the resentment. In addition, income inequalities became worse in the move toward "market socialism" and the move away from central planning. By 1981 100,000 Serbs left Kosovo and as Albanians continued to move in they now constituted 77% of the population in Kosovo. Making economic development worse, the Serbs who left were better educated and technically trained than the Albanians who moved in.'

All his words, not mine.
Cheers!!

Shpetim

pre 12 godina

Dragan

That is not a reliable source, read the top. You'll have to give me source that does not pander to either Serbs or Albanians. WW2 is very recent anyway, there must be some camera footage of those people flooding in. Try harder next time and I may grounds to believe you. This myth has been dismissed by historians and journalists who have visited the area, like Tim Judah, Noel Malcolm, Micha Glenny. as I said, give me a reliable source, not the Serbian Orthodox Church

Dragan

pre 12 godina

Shpetim, it is common knowledge that after WWII Tito did not allow Serbs to go back to Kosovo, and allowed hundreds of thousands of illegal albanians to settle there. This is not even disputed, it's common knowledge. There are countless sources and history books on this, just try using google. Here's a little bullet point short form history for you, easy to understand. Run along now and learn something!
http://www.kosovo.net/dateline.html
The next question will be on Illyrian civilization.
Cheers!!

Shpetim

pre 12 godina

"Someone like you who doesn't know any history doesn't know that Tito allowed hundreds of thousands illegal albanians to flood Kosovo and weaken Serbia. "

Great. OK, evidence please. This is quite recent so there must be some footage of this, camera, photographic evidence, the rest. After all, its impossible that such a movement of people is not recorded in books and statistics of either Albania or Serbia. So go ahead give me the undisputed evidence.

sj

pre 12 godina

Albanians and Macedonians seem to be getting along just fine these days.
(Danilo, 9 March 2012 21:08)
You should keep up with events. B92 posted an artivcle yesterday where tension between Albanians and Macedonians were increasing.

New Zealander

pre 12 godina

& They call themselves the champions of democracy, this is the third time in a month they've helped destroy democracy around the world. First the Syrian referendum (With no evidence to suggest it wasnt free & fair), Second the Russian Elections (The most transparent election in world history) & finally telling the Kosovo-Serbs that they are not allowed to vote in democratic elections.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

"back to where they came from - Albania"

Yes, Serbs tend to be quick to suggest ethnic cleansing as a solution. strange.

Albanians currently living in Kosovo were born there. They are no more "from" Albania than I am from Serbia.

Albanians and Macedonians seem to be getting along just fine these days.
(Danilo, 9 March 2012 21:08)

Well where do I start? If albanians don't like living in Serbia, they are free to leave, the same way that if someone is not happy in Canada they are free to leave. How is that advocating ethnic cleansing? Maybe in your warped illogical mind.
Albanians were all born in Kosovo? Do you know them all personaly? Someone like you who doesn't know any history doesn't know that Tito allowed hundreds of thousands illegal albanians to flood Kosovo and weaken Serbia.
And for the biggest joke of all - drum roll - albanians and Macedonians get along just fine! LOL Yeah, that's why they had a civil war, and that's why every Macedonian I've ever met absolutely despises them. That's why the day after the yanks (NATO) lose interest in FYROM the place will fall apart and disintegrate into war instantly. You should try comedy in case data centres don't work - your posts are full of comedy.
Cheers!!

Danilo

pre 12 godina

"back to where they came from - Albania"

Yes, Serbs tend to be quick to suggest ethnic cleansing as a solution. strange.

Albanians currently living in Kosovo were born there. They are no more "from" Albania than I am from Serbia.

Albanians and Macedonians seem to be getting along just fine these days.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

This comes down to the fact that most Serbs prefer to ignore: Albanians don't want to be a part of Serbia and for good reason. Look at that. Accept that fact. Analyze that honestly and maybe Serbia can mature a little as a society.
(Danilo, 9 March 2012 14:02)

Bosnian Serbs don't want to be part of Bosnia. Northern Kosovo Serbs don't want to be part of Albanian Kosovo. Nobody seems to accept these facts.

Danilo

pre 12 godina

Almost every example I can think of that Serbs love to use about possible separatist movements in other countries, especially the USA, neglect the very basic fact that the groups mentioned have no interest whatsoever to separate. Aboriginal Americans? wat? Mexicans in California or Texas are often mentioned. Mexicans are literally risking their lives so their children can be born American. They have no interest in any kind of separatism.

This comes down to the fact that most Serbs prefer to ignore: Albanians don't want to be a part of Serbia and for good reason. Look at that. Accept that fact. Analyze that honestly and maybe Serbia can mature a little as a society.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

This comes down to the fact that most Serbs prefer to ignore: Albanians don't want to be a part of Serbia and for good reason. Look at that. Accept that fact. Analyze that honestly and maybe Serbia can mature a little as a society.
(Danilo, 9 March 2012 14:02)

That's beside the point. They don't want to be part of Macedonia, Montenegro, and Greece either. They don't get along with anyone. The fact is, they are in Serbia, and if they don't like it they are free to go back to where they came from - Albania. I personaly hope that they flood Germany, that would be poetic justice.
Cheers!!

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

All things will happen in good time. The US is destroying itself and it will fall apart like a tower made of matches. Its destruction has nothing to do with God or the predictions in the Bible, but simply money. The US has borrowed too much and will have to repay in its demise. We will all watch as one by one the States will leave the union – every dog has his day and the Serbs will too – at most 4 years to wait.
(sj, 9 March 2012 11:23)

Ok I see that you know very well what is happening. So for 4 years USA is bankrupt. Than I think NATO will withdraw military forces from Kosova, than the “Strong Army” of Serbia will march till Prizren. Albanians that the only hope had USA will welcome with flowers the Serbian Army that has destroyed all Empires (Roman, Byzantine, Ottoman, NATO) and after 4 years “Kosovo is Serbia”. Yes this is written in all legends “Serbs always win”. But who cares if they don’t win they celebrate even losses. Did I understand you well?

sj

pre 12 godina

I would love to see china push some Native America tribes in the USA to declare secession and see how America likes it.
(Andrei, 9 March 2012 07:41)

All things will happen in good time. The US is destroying itself and it will fall apart like a tower made of matches. Its destruction has nothing to do with God or the predictions in the Bible, but simply money. The US has borrowed too much and will have to repay in its demise. We will all watch as one by one the States will leave the union – every dog has his day and the Serbs will too – at most 4 years to wait.

Shqiponja

pre 12 godina

I really love how you Serbs make up your own dreams and lie to yourself that it's a real life and not a dream.

You guys keep saying Kosova is Serbia but you don't want to believe that Kosova is gone ages ago. You need to get on with your life and face the truth.

The Americans have already taken sides which is pro Albanians. I love how some of you here play with themself as if anyone would listen to you or your lies.

Keep dreaming guys

Zoran

pre 12 godina

It sounds to me like the US has gone and done something thoughtlessly and then buried its head in the sand.

I'm curious whether Warlick has read Dick Marty's report on human organ trafficking and the accusations the Thaci is a criminal of the worst kind? How can she expect any sane person to be represented by anyone of this kind?

The Serbs south of the Ibar are not willingly integrating. They are being forced to as a matter of survival. It is a shame the US is so short sighted.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

"She added that local election in the north would bring representatives who would have no authority according to Kosovo laws."

No problem! "Kosovo laws" have no authority up there anyway, or did she miss the memo about the 99.74%? :)

Dragan

pre 12 godina

Hey Mary, if you didn't think that Kosovo is Serbia, then your government never should have signed UN Resolution 1244, which confirms that Kosovo is Serbia. Thanks to the impenetrable Serbian army, you NATO war criminals were forced to sign something you didn't want to - too bad for you. Enjoy your dying empire while it lasts, which is not much longer.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Cheers!!

Jimbo

pre 12 godina

Demi, 8 March 2012 12:30)

Wrong!Serbia is the official successor state of Yugoslavia,and all treaties from the SRJ apply to Serbia today!
That means UN1244 which says in its original Kosovo is an inaliebale part of the SRJ means Kosovo is an inalieble part of Serbia since Serbia is the sucessor state of SRJ!

Second,the ICJ did not mention Kosovos status but the right of Pristina to make declarations!

Elections will be held,however I think they are going to talk with Americans before that!
Ther will be a good deal for us Serbs!
(CG, 8 March 2012 16:02)

It seems like you are reading your own personal version of 1244, since the real 1244 makes it very clear that Serbs in Kosova have nothing to do with elections in Serbia proper.

Sergio

pre 12 godina

Ms War-lick,
if US trying to dull the world with so-called democracy and american philosophy about human rights and the right of self-determination then would by nice from your part to explain why those rights are for a selected group of people, why US is violating the Helsinki agreement of non-violation of borders, why US destroys country after country and building the military bases, why under the pretext of human rights US kills for oil.
If your highness is for kosovars rights then is OK and to be sure that you are not partial and non-discriminatory toward the serbs according to AMERICAN DREAMS for equal rights, freedom, justice and liberties, the sebian people has the right to chose whom they want to be, where and how they want to live, enjoy the freedoms and the liberties as the americans do.

WTH?

pre 12 godina

My daddy is stronger than your daddy; that's the summary of this thread.

And now I will take bets on who is winning, the crying KGB agent or...

really?

pre 12 godina

How would the US Respond if Russia and China openly stated that they do not support and are against the current election process for US president? Funny that here we are in the middle of a presidential election, supposed free and fair, the beacon of democracy as individuals cast their votes across the fruited plain..yet we condemn the election process of another nation bc we (US) decided to amputate Kosovo from Serbia and give it to an albanian horde which will do our bidding. We destroy Libya and its' people in order to remove one man, which obviously was better than the current state of affairs...lets be honest, Libya is a mess and total disaster, Afghanistan will be our Vietnam 2, Iraq is a total failure, Senator McCain wants US to bomb Syria, seems like the US continues to believe that manifest destiny is alive and well. Inside each and every person is an American just waiting to get out...it's up to War Pigs like him to spring them loose.

Yet...damn those Serbs for voting...that's the REAL problem, how dare they vote against living under the rule of a mafia narco state, that destroys their heritage, churches, monuments, graves. How dare they not submit to a foreign muslim ruler that wants to kick them out of their land, murder them for their organs, blow up buses, beat up elderly...etc etc etc.

Ron

pre 12 godina

Wow, I thought the US was pro-democracy.
So the US really does not want Serbian citizens in the Serbian province of Kosovo to carry out their democratic rights?

Scary! Very scary!

Jovan

pre 12 godina

Mrs, Warlick, yes we have differences. and since good prevails and overcomes evil, ... you will leave our territories sooner or later, and we will take care again of southern Serbia.

you are alien to these lands and we live here. you will leave, we will stay, and we will prevail. and then your little vassal-creation will perish! =)

just a question of time!

ps: you should be ashamed, Mrs. Warlick. you know why...

CG

pre 12 godina

Demi, 8 March 2012 12:30)

Wrong!Serbia is the official successor state of Yugoslavia,and all treaties from the SRJ apply to Serbia today!
That means UN1244 which says in its original Kosovo is an inaliebale part of the SRJ means Kosovo is an inalieble part of Serbia since Serbia is the sucessor state of SRJ!

Second,the ICJ did not mention Kosovos status but the right of Pristina to make declarations!

Elections will be held,however I think they are going to talk with Americans before that!
Ther will be a good deal for us Serbs!

Iggy Bhoy

pre 12 godina

After having lived and worked In Kosovo for more than 5 years (both North and South of the Ibar)and still return to visit,as recently as February this year, I feel that I am more than qualified to post a comment. I would just like to say that it was very heartening to read the comments posted by Ollie, SJ and Peggy. After reading these comments, there is nothing more for me to add. Thanks again to Ollie,SJ & Peggy, i just wish the US would do everyone a favour and but out off other countries business.
Best wishes from a cold and miserable Scotland.

ben

pre 12 godina

(Andrei, 8 March 2012 15:05)

yes Andrei your crystal ball never lets you down, does it? Until then have a nice time with your Moskvich ;) http://www.streetfire.net/video/russian-car-moskvich_14457.htm

Andrei

pre 12 godina

America is on the path of Sodom and Gomorrah, Babylon and Rome. What America seems to be doing now is making one last grasp at bringing down several countries with it.

a New Day

pre 12 godina

Demi,Where have you been for the last 13 years. Is your argument that 1244 mentions that KiM is an intragal part of Yugoslavia not Serbia? Everyone recognizes that Serbia retains all legacy rights of 1999 Yugoslavia. Even your clowns in pristina do.
(Robert1899, 8 March 2012 13:19)
1244 does not say that Kosovo is an integral part of anything either Yugoslavia nor Serbia. That comes from your constitution which was changed in an afternoon session to include it,once it was evident that Kosovo was about to unilaterally declare independence. Since it was changed in one afternoon to include it, it can be changed in a matter of minutes to not include it.
1244 concerns itself with what rights Serbia does not have in regards to Kosovo and not what rights Serbia retains, which was nothing. Read it you will be amazed.

Robert1899

pre 12 godina

Demi,Where have you been for the last 13 years. Is your argument that 1244 mentions that KiM is an intragal part of Yugoslavia not Serbia? Everyone recognizes that Serbia retains all legacy rights of 1999 Yugoslavia. Even your clowns in pristina do.

Demi

pre 12 godina

Elections will take place,since KiM is part of Serbia according to UN1244!
(CG, 8 March 2012 09:37)

We will sww if Serbia will try to hold election in Kosova. But I don't think they will.

As for Kosova being serbian under 1244 It's not true. 1244 sayes Kosova was part of Yugoslavia before 1999. Serbia is not mentioned since Serbia was also an part of Yugoslavia. But Yugoslavia do not exist so the people of Kosova has choosed to be independent. It's the will of the people so nobody has the right to oppose it.

So Kosova is independent and not part of Serbia. In reality and legaly confirmed by ICJ on the declaration of independence. Serbia has accepted that verdict.

Daniel

pre 12 godina

This woman is an idiot and she has no say in what will happen in Kosovo. If she did then Kosovo would be universally recognized, and it's not.

Teslavio

pre 12 godina

People have the right to vote, it is one of their most basic human rights and no democratic country can oppose that. Let the elections be held and if the majority people participate then the elections are legitimate, otherwise they are not.

Olli

pre 12 godina

As long as Serbia tells USA and the rest in very diplomatic and kind language that

1. We have agreed to disagree about Kosovo issue;
2. Kosovo's status isn't “finished” as far as Serbia is concerned;
3. Serbia listens to will of people in North Kosovo, and suggests USA to do the same;
3. Serbia also considers Kosovo as a “special case”;
4. It's only natural that the U.S. and Serbia see the issue of Kosovo through different eyes, how could it be another way?;

...there's no need to raise the voice and Serbia has no problems to maintain its position.

In case the USA starts talking too much about good neighborly relations Serbia can remind the US Ambassador of the USA's embargo against Cuba that has its 50th birthday this year. So not just some passing embargo, but an unfriendly act that USA has codified into a law. Naturally USA holds all rights for maintaining its position. And so does Serbia.

sj

pre 12 godina

The United States of Windbags is at it again. I recall a story about Hitler and it seems that in his last days in the bunker he kept on issuing orders to move various Panzer and Infantry divisions to counter attack the oncoming allied forces. One small problem was these same divisions had already surrendered weeks before but no one dared to tell Hitler. Much like the US today, living in a time warp of the 1950s and thinking that its desires will be obeyed.
While millions of thousands of Americans are living in abject poverty here we have the representative of a poor version of a once greet nation issuing demands like old Adolph.
Mary here is two pieces of news. The first is election will be carried out using 1244 and you can stick your special envoy where the sun does not shine.
The second is the US demise has been calculated to the year and as your illustrious country approaches it the greater the chaos internally. Yes the financial sector has been able to calculate this factor because the US has reached the point of no return – this means no matter what it tries to do the result will be the same. The maximum period of time is 2016 before a Greek style mega quake hits the US.
To the loyal Serbs everywhere in RS and Serbia stand firm and carry out the election. The US is NOTHING but piss and wind

Peggy

pre 12 godina

Who do the yanks think they are telling another country how to conduct their business?
Do they own the world? They act as if they do. If the government had any gust they would expel this woman and tell the US that when they agree to have Serbia tell them which states to conduct elections in and which not, then and only then they can have a say in where elections are taking place in Serbia.
How rude and insulting.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

Who do the yanks think they are telling another country how to conduct their business?
Do they own the world? They act as if they do. If the government had any gust they would expel this woman and tell the US that when they agree to have Serbia tell them which states to conduct elections in and which not, then and only then they can have a say in where elections are taking place in Serbia.
How rude and insulting.

Olli

pre 12 godina

As long as Serbia tells USA and the rest in very diplomatic and kind language that

1. We have agreed to disagree about Kosovo issue;
2. Kosovo's status isn't “finished” as far as Serbia is concerned;
3. Serbia listens to will of people in North Kosovo, and suggests USA to do the same;
3. Serbia also considers Kosovo as a “special case”;
4. It's only natural that the U.S. and Serbia see the issue of Kosovo through different eyes, how could it be another way?;

...there's no need to raise the voice and Serbia has no problems to maintain its position.

In case the USA starts talking too much about good neighborly relations Serbia can remind the US Ambassador of the USA's embargo against Cuba that has its 50th birthday this year. So not just some passing embargo, but an unfriendly act that USA has codified into a law. Naturally USA holds all rights for maintaining its position. And so does Serbia.

sj

pre 12 godina

The United States of Windbags is at it again. I recall a story about Hitler and it seems that in his last days in the bunker he kept on issuing orders to move various Panzer and Infantry divisions to counter attack the oncoming allied forces. One small problem was these same divisions had already surrendered weeks before but no one dared to tell Hitler. Much like the US today, living in a time warp of the 1950s and thinking that its desires will be obeyed.
While millions of thousands of Americans are living in abject poverty here we have the representative of a poor version of a once greet nation issuing demands like old Adolph.
Mary here is two pieces of news. The first is election will be carried out using 1244 and you can stick your special envoy where the sun does not shine.
The second is the US demise has been calculated to the year and as your illustrious country approaches it the greater the chaos internally. Yes the financial sector has been able to calculate this factor because the US has reached the point of no return – this means no matter what it tries to do the result will be the same. The maximum period of time is 2016 before a Greek style mega quake hits the US.
To the loyal Serbs everywhere in RS and Serbia stand firm and carry out the election. The US is NOTHING but piss and wind

Teslavio

pre 12 godina

People have the right to vote, it is one of their most basic human rights and no democratic country can oppose that. Let the elections be held and if the majority people participate then the elections are legitimate, otherwise they are not.

Daniel

pre 12 godina

This woman is an idiot and she has no say in what will happen in Kosovo. If she did then Kosovo would be universally recognized, and it's not.

Iggy Bhoy

pre 12 godina

After having lived and worked In Kosovo for more than 5 years (both North and South of the Ibar)and still return to visit,as recently as February this year, I feel that I am more than qualified to post a comment. I would just like to say that it was very heartening to read the comments posted by Ollie, SJ and Peggy. After reading these comments, there is nothing more for me to add. Thanks again to Ollie,SJ & Peggy, i just wish the US would do everyone a favour and but out off other countries business.
Best wishes from a cold and miserable Scotland.

Jovan

pre 12 godina

Mrs, Warlick, yes we have differences. and since good prevails and overcomes evil, ... you will leave our territories sooner or later, and we will take care again of southern Serbia.

you are alien to these lands and we live here. you will leave, we will stay, and we will prevail. and then your little vassal-creation will perish! =)

just a question of time!

ps: you should be ashamed, Mrs. Warlick. you know why...

Ron

pre 12 godina

Wow, I thought the US was pro-democracy.
So the US really does not want Serbian citizens in the Serbian province of Kosovo to carry out their democratic rights?

Scary! Very scary!

Robert1899

pre 12 godina

Demi,Where have you been for the last 13 years. Is your argument that 1244 mentions that KiM is an intragal part of Yugoslavia not Serbia? Everyone recognizes that Serbia retains all legacy rights of 1999 Yugoslavia. Even your clowns in pristina do.

Sergio

pre 12 godina

Ms War-lick,
if US trying to dull the world with so-called democracy and american philosophy about human rights and the right of self-determination then would by nice from your part to explain why those rights are for a selected group of people, why US is violating the Helsinki agreement of non-violation of borders, why US destroys country after country and building the military bases, why under the pretext of human rights US kills for oil.
If your highness is for kosovars rights then is OK and to be sure that you are not partial and non-discriminatory toward the serbs according to AMERICAN DREAMS for equal rights, freedom, justice and liberties, the sebian people has the right to chose whom they want to be, where and how they want to live, enjoy the freedoms and the liberties as the americans do.

Demi

pre 12 godina

Elections will take place,since KiM is part of Serbia according to UN1244!
(CG, 8 March 2012 09:37)

We will sww if Serbia will try to hold election in Kosova. But I don't think they will.

As for Kosova being serbian under 1244 It's not true. 1244 sayes Kosova was part of Yugoslavia before 1999. Serbia is not mentioned since Serbia was also an part of Yugoslavia. But Yugoslavia do not exist so the people of Kosova has choosed to be independent. It's the will of the people so nobody has the right to oppose it.

So Kosova is independent and not part of Serbia. In reality and legaly confirmed by ICJ on the declaration of independence. Serbia has accepted that verdict.

Andrei

pre 12 godina

America is on the path of Sodom and Gomorrah, Babylon and Rome. What America seems to be doing now is making one last grasp at bringing down several countries with it.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

"She added that local election in the north would bring representatives who would have no authority according to Kosovo laws."

No problem! "Kosovo laws" have no authority up there anyway, or did she miss the memo about the 99.74%? :)

Zoran

pre 12 godina

It sounds to me like the US has gone and done something thoughtlessly and then buried its head in the sand.

I'm curious whether Warlick has read Dick Marty's report on human organ trafficking and the accusations the Thaci is a criminal of the worst kind? How can she expect any sane person to be represented by anyone of this kind?

The Serbs south of the Ibar are not willingly integrating. They are being forced to as a matter of survival. It is a shame the US is so short sighted.

CG

pre 12 godina

Demi, 8 March 2012 12:30)

Wrong!Serbia is the official successor state of Yugoslavia,and all treaties from the SRJ apply to Serbia today!
That means UN1244 which says in its original Kosovo is an inaliebale part of the SRJ means Kosovo is an inalieble part of Serbia since Serbia is the sucessor state of SRJ!

Second,the ICJ did not mention Kosovos status but the right of Pristina to make declarations!

Elections will be held,however I think they are going to talk with Americans before that!
Ther will be a good deal for us Serbs!

Dragan

pre 12 godina

Hey Mary, if you didn't think that Kosovo is Serbia, then your government never should have signed UN Resolution 1244, which confirms that Kosovo is Serbia. Thanks to the impenetrable Serbian army, you NATO war criminals were forced to sign something you didn't want to - too bad for you. Enjoy your dying empire while it lasts, which is not much longer.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Cheers!!

really?

pre 12 godina

How would the US Respond if Russia and China openly stated that they do not support and are against the current election process for US president? Funny that here we are in the middle of a presidential election, supposed free and fair, the beacon of democracy as individuals cast their votes across the fruited plain..yet we condemn the election process of another nation bc we (US) decided to amputate Kosovo from Serbia and give it to an albanian horde which will do our bidding. We destroy Libya and its' people in order to remove one man, which obviously was better than the current state of affairs...lets be honest, Libya is a mess and total disaster, Afghanistan will be our Vietnam 2, Iraq is a total failure, Senator McCain wants US to bomb Syria, seems like the US continues to believe that manifest destiny is alive and well. Inside each and every person is an American just waiting to get out...it's up to War Pigs like him to spring them loose.

Yet...damn those Serbs for voting...that's the REAL problem, how dare they vote against living under the rule of a mafia narco state, that destroys their heritage, churches, monuments, graves. How dare they not submit to a foreign muslim ruler that wants to kick them out of their land, murder them for their organs, blow up buses, beat up elderly...etc etc etc.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

This comes down to the fact that most Serbs prefer to ignore: Albanians don't want to be a part of Serbia and for good reason. Look at that. Accept that fact. Analyze that honestly and maybe Serbia can mature a little as a society.
(Danilo, 9 March 2012 14:02)

That's beside the point. They don't want to be part of Macedonia, Montenegro, and Greece either. They don't get along with anyone. The fact is, they are in Serbia, and if they don't like it they are free to go back to where they came from - Albania. I personaly hope that they flood Germany, that would be poetic justice.
Cheers!!

a New Day

pre 12 godina

Demi,Where have you been for the last 13 years. Is your argument that 1244 mentions that KiM is an intragal part of Yugoslavia not Serbia? Everyone recognizes that Serbia retains all legacy rights of 1999 Yugoslavia. Even your clowns in pristina do.
(Robert1899, 8 March 2012 13:19)
1244 does not say that Kosovo is an integral part of anything either Yugoslavia nor Serbia. That comes from your constitution which was changed in an afternoon session to include it,once it was evident that Kosovo was about to unilaterally declare independence. Since it was changed in one afternoon to include it, it can be changed in a matter of minutes to not include it.
1244 concerns itself with what rights Serbia does not have in regards to Kosovo and not what rights Serbia retains, which was nothing. Read it you will be amazed.

WTH?

pre 12 godina

My daddy is stronger than your daddy; that's the summary of this thread.

And now I will take bets on who is winning, the crying KGB agent or...

Jimbo

pre 12 godina

Demi, 8 March 2012 12:30)

Wrong!Serbia is the official successor state of Yugoslavia,and all treaties from the SRJ apply to Serbia today!
That means UN1244 which says in its original Kosovo is an inaliebale part of the SRJ means Kosovo is an inalieble part of Serbia since Serbia is the sucessor state of SRJ!

Second,the ICJ did not mention Kosovos status but the right of Pristina to make declarations!

Elections will be held,however I think they are going to talk with Americans before that!
Ther will be a good deal for us Serbs!
(CG, 8 March 2012 16:02)

It seems like you are reading your own personal version of 1244, since the real 1244 makes it very clear that Serbs in Kosova have nothing to do with elections in Serbia proper.

ben

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(Andrei, 8 March 2012 15:05)

yes Andrei your crystal ball never lets you down, does it? Until then have a nice time with your Moskvich ;) http://www.streetfire.net/video/russian-car-moskvich_14457.htm

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

This comes down to the fact that most Serbs prefer to ignore: Albanians don't want to be a part of Serbia and for good reason. Look at that. Accept that fact. Analyze that honestly and maybe Serbia can mature a little as a society.
(Danilo, 9 March 2012 14:02)

Bosnian Serbs don't want to be part of Bosnia. Northern Kosovo Serbs don't want to be part of Albanian Kosovo. Nobody seems to accept these facts.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

How about Richard Jansen, he's not a Serb:
http://lamar.colostate.edu/~grjan/kosovohistory.html

Let's summarize:

'In Kosovo, under Albanian and German rule nearly 100,000 Albanians moved into Kosovo. Serbs were harassed and attacked by the occupying force of Albanians.

In 1967 Tito made his first visit to Kosovo. He purged Alexander Rankovic, who was a strong Serbian "centralist" and much hated in Kosovo, from power in Kosovo. This created euphoria among the Albanian population. More concessions were made to Albanian nationalism dealing with languages, education and other cultural issues. A veritable flood of Albanian nationalism was the predictable result. Because of immigration of Albanians, emigration of Serbs and a very high Albanian birthrate from 1961 to 1971 Albanians increased from 67% to 74% of the population .

These developments continued and intensified.... A continued demographic explosion of births among low- income, poorly educated Albanians who became dependents of the government increased the financial drain and increased the resentment. In addition, income inequalities became worse in the move toward "market socialism" and the move away from central planning. By 1981 100,000 Serbs left Kosovo and as Albanians continued to move in they now constituted 77% of the population in Kosovo. Making economic development worse, the Serbs who left were better educated and technically trained than the Albanians who moved in.'

All his words, not mine.
Cheers!!

sj

pre 12 godina

I would love to see china push some Native America tribes in the USA to declare secession and see how America likes it.
(Andrei, 9 March 2012 07:41)

All things will happen in good time. The US is destroying itself and it will fall apart like a tower made of matches. Its destruction has nothing to do with God or the predictions in the Bible, but simply money. The US has borrowed too much and will have to repay in its demise. We will all watch as one by one the States will leave the union – every dog has his day and the Serbs will too – at most 4 years to wait.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

"back to where they came from - Albania"

Yes, Serbs tend to be quick to suggest ethnic cleansing as a solution. strange.

Albanians currently living in Kosovo were born there. They are no more "from" Albania than I am from Serbia.

Albanians and Macedonians seem to be getting along just fine these days.
(Danilo, 9 March 2012 21:08)

Well where do I start? If albanians don't like living in Serbia, they are free to leave, the same way that if someone is not happy in Canada they are free to leave. How is that advocating ethnic cleansing? Maybe in your warped illogical mind.
Albanians were all born in Kosovo? Do you know them all personaly? Someone like you who doesn't know any history doesn't know that Tito allowed hundreds of thousands illegal albanians to flood Kosovo and weaken Serbia.
And for the biggest joke of all - drum roll - albanians and Macedonians get along just fine! LOL Yeah, that's why they had a civil war, and that's why every Macedonian I've ever met absolutely despises them. That's why the day after the yanks (NATO) lose interest in FYROM the place will fall apart and disintegrate into war instantly. You should try comedy in case data centres don't work - your posts are full of comedy.
Cheers!!

Dragan

pre 12 godina

Shpetim, it is common knowledge that after WWII Tito did not allow Serbs to go back to Kosovo, and allowed hundreds of thousands of illegal albanians to settle there. This is not even disputed, it's common knowledge. There are countless sources and history books on this, just try using google. Here's a little bullet point short form history for you, easy to understand. Run along now and learn something!
http://www.kosovo.net/dateline.html
The next question will be on Illyrian civilization.
Cheers!!

Dragan

pre 12 godina

except, this is all very recent. there must be some footage of this massive Albanian migration in the 1960's. let us see it.
(Shpetim, 10 March 2012 23:11)

Are you 10 years old, or just a little slow? You want video footage of each illegal immigrant that crossed from Albania to Serbia for a better life? Hint, lots of them came over in cars for a 'visit', and never left. The facts are there, whether they came over on a donkey or snuck through the woods, you and your relatives probably know better than me. You seem to be good at smuggling all sorts of things after all, including human organs.

Shqiponja

pre 12 godina

I really love how you Serbs make up your own dreams and lie to yourself that it's a real life and not a dream.

You guys keep saying Kosova is Serbia but you don't want to believe that Kosova is gone ages ago. You need to get on with your life and face the truth.

The Americans have already taken sides which is pro Albanians. I love how some of you here play with themself as if anyone would listen to you or your lies.

Keep dreaming guys

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

All things will happen in good time. The US is destroying itself and it will fall apart like a tower made of matches. Its destruction has nothing to do with God or the predictions in the Bible, but simply money. The US has borrowed too much and will have to repay in its demise. We will all watch as one by one the States will leave the union – every dog has his day and the Serbs will too – at most 4 years to wait.
(sj, 9 March 2012 11:23)

Ok I see that you know very well what is happening. So for 4 years USA is bankrupt. Than I think NATO will withdraw military forces from Kosova, than the “Strong Army” of Serbia will march till Prizren. Albanians that the only hope had USA will welcome with flowers the Serbian Army that has destroyed all Empires (Roman, Byzantine, Ottoman, NATO) and after 4 years “Kosovo is Serbia”. Yes this is written in all legends “Serbs always win”. But who cares if they don’t win they celebrate even losses. Did I understand you well?

New Zealander

pre 12 godina

& They call themselves the champions of democracy, this is the third time in a month they've helped destroy democracy around the world. First the Syrian referendum (With no evidence to suggest it wasnt free & fair), Second the Russian Elections (The most transparent election in world history) & finally telling the Kosovo-Serbs that they are not allowed to vote in democratic elections.

sj

pre 12 godina

Albanians and Macedonians seem to be getting along just fine these days.
(Danilo, 9 March 2012 21:08)
You should keep up with events. B92 posted an artivcle yesterday where tension between Albanians and Macedonians were increasing.

Danilo

pre 12 godina

Almost every example I can think of that Serbs love to use about possible separatist movements in other countries, especially the USA, neglect the very basic fact that the groups mentioned have no interest whatsoever to separate. Aboriginal Americans? wat? Mexicans in California or Texas are often mentioned. Mexicans are literally risking their lives so their children can be born American. They have no interest in any kind of separatism.

This comes down to the fact that most Serbs prefer to ignore: Albanians don't want to be a part of Serbia and for good reason. Look at that. Accept that fact. Analyze that honestly and maybe Serbia can mature a little as a society.

Shpetim

pre 12 godina

"Someone like you who doesn't know any history doesn't know that Tito allowed hundreds of thousands illegal albanians to flood Kosovo and weaken Serbia. "

Great. OK, evidence please. This is quite recent so there must be some footage of this, camera, photographic evidence, the rest. After all, its impossible that such a movement of people is not recorded in books and statistics of either Albania or Serbia. So go ahead give me the undisputed evidence.

Shpetim

pre 12 godina

Dragan

That is not a reliable source, read the top. You'll have to give me source that does not pander to either Serbs or Albanians. WW2 is very recent anyway, there must be some camera footage of those people flooding in. Try harder next time and I may grounds to believe you. This myth has been dismissed by historians and journalists who have visited the area, like Tim Judah, Noel Malcolm, Micha Glenny. as I said, give me a reliable source, not the Serbian Orthodox Church

Danilo

pre 12 godina

"back to where they came from - Albania"

Yes, Serbs tend to be quick to suggest ethnic cleansing as a solution. strange.

Albanians currently living in Kosovo were born there. They are no more "from" Albania than I am from Serbia.

Albanians and Macedonians seem to be getting along just fine these days.

Shpetim

pre 12 godina

Dragan

So they stayd in Kosova illegally? Are you really so dim? What you're telling me, is people entered Yugoslavia, from Albania even as late as the 1980's and there is no footage of them doing so or even say a news report. Whats more, the Serbs emigrated to Serbia and were being chased out by those illegal Albanians and the Yugoslavia authorities did nothing. I do know that most Serb posters here believe the most bizarre explanations (like the CIA broke up Yugoslavia) but if you engage your brain for even a little second, you'll realize how outlandish it sounds that half a million Albanians crossed over in the space of 30 years and there is no records on show to back it up

Demi

pre 12 godina

Elections will take place,since KiM is part of Serbia according to UN1244!
(CG, 8 March 2012 09:37)

We will sww if Serbia will try to hold election in Kosova. But I don't think they will.

As for Kosova being serbian under 1244 It's not true. 1244 sayes Kosova was part of Yugoslavia before 1999. Serbia is not mentioned since Serbia was also an part of Yugoslavia. But Yugoslavia do not exist so the people of Kosova has choosed to be independent. It's the will of the people so nobody has the right to oppose it.

So Kosova is independent and not part of Serbia. In reality and legaly confirmed by ICJ on the declaration of independence. Serbia has accepted that verdict.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

Who do the yanks think they are telling another country how to conduct their business?
Do they own the world? They act as if they do. If the government had any gust they would expel this woman and tell the US that when they agree to have Serbia tell them which states to conduct elections in and which not, then and only then they can have a say in where elections are taking place in Serbia.
How rude and insulting.

sj

pre 12 godina

The United States of Windbags is at it again. I recall a story about Hitler and it seems that in his last days in the bunker he kept on issuing orders to move various Panzer and Infantry divisions to counter attack the oncoming allied forces. One small problem was these same divisions had already surrendered weeks before but no one dared to tell Hitler. Much like the US today, living in a time warp of the 1950s and thinking that its desires will be obeyed.
While millions of thousands of Americans are living in abject poverty here we have the representative of a poor version of a once greet nation issuing demands like old Adolph.
Mary here is two pieces of news. The first is election will be carried out using 1244 and you can stick your special envoy where the sun does not shine.
The second is the US demise has been calculated to the year and as your illustrious country approaches it the greater the chaos internally. Yes the financial sector has been able to calculate this factor because the US has reached the point of no return – this means no matter what it tries to do the result will be the same. The maximum period of time is 2016 before a Greek style mega quake hits the US.
To the loyal Serbs everywhere in RS and Serbia stand firm and carry out the election. The US is NOTHING but piss and wind

Daniel

pre 12 godina

This woman is an idiot and she has no say in what will happen in Kosovo. If she did then Kosovo would be universally recognized, and it's not.

Olli

pre 12 godina

As long as Serbia tells USA and the rest in very diplomatic and kind language that

1. We have agreed to disagree about Kosovo issue;
2. Kosovo's status isn't “finished” as far as Serbia is concerned;
3. Serbia listens to will of people in North Kosovo, and suggests USA to do the same;
3. Serbia also considers Kosovo as a “special case”;
4. It's only natural that the U.S. and Serbia see the issue of Kosovo through different eyes, how could it be another way?;

...there's no need to raise the voice and Serbia has no problems to maintain its position.

In case the USA starts talking too much about good neighborly relations Serbia can remind the US Ambassador of the USA's embargo against Cuba that has its 50th birthday this year. So not just some passing embargo, but an unfriendly act that USA has codified into a law. Naturally USA holds all rights for maintaining its position. And so does Serbia.

Teslavio

pre 12 godina

People have the right to vote, it is one of their most basic human rights and no democratic country can oppose that. Let the elections be held and if the majority people participate then the elections are legitimate, otherwise they are not.

Robert1899

pre 12 godina

Demi,Where have you been for the last 13 years. Is your argument that 1244 mentions that KiM is an intragal part of Yugoslavia not Serbia? Everyone recognizes that Serbia retains all legacy rights of 1999 Yugoslavia. Even your clowns in pristina do.

a New Day

pre 12 godina

Demi,Where have you been for the last 13 years. Is your argument that 1244 mentions that KiM is an intragal part of Yugoslavia not Serbia? Everyone recognizes that Serbia retains all legacy rights of 1999 Yugoslavia. Even your clowns in pristina do.
(Robert1899, 8 March 2012 13:19)
1244 does not say that Kosovo is an integral part of anything either Yugoslavia nor Serbia. That comes from your constitution which was changed in an afternoon session to include it,once it was evident that Kosovo was about to unilaterally declare independence. Since it was changed in one afternoon to include it, it can be changed in a matter of minutes to not include it.
1244 concerns itself with what rights Serbia does not have in regards to Kosovo and not what rights Serbia retains, which was nothing. Read it you will be amazed.

Andrei

pre 12 godina

America is on the path of Sodom and Gomorrah, Babylon and Rome. What America seems to be doing now is making one last grasp at bringing down several countries with it.

Iggy Bhoy

pre 12 godina

After having lived and worked In Kosovo for more than 5 years (both North and South of the Ibar)and still return to visit,as recently as February this year, I feel that I am more than qualified to post a comment. I would just like to say that it was very heartening to read the comments posted by Ollie, SJ and Peggy. After reading these comments, there is nothing more for me to add. Thanks again to Ollie,SJ & Peggy, i just wish the US would do everyone a favour and but out off other countries business.
Best wishes from a cold and miserable Scotland.

ben

pre 12 godina

(Andrei, 8 March 2012 15:05)

yes Andrei your crystal ball never lets you down, does it? Until then have a nice time with your Moskvich ;) http://www.streetfire.net/video/russian-car-moskvich_14457.htm

Ron

pre 12 godina

Wow, I thought the US was pro-democracy.
So the US really does not want Serbian citizens in the Serbian province of Kosovo to carry out their democratic rights?

Scary! Very scary!

CG

pre 12 godina

Demi, 8 March 2012 12:30)

Wrong!Serbia is the official successor state of Yugoslavia,and all treaties from the SRJ apply to Serbia today!
That means UN1244 which says in its original Kosovo is an inaliebale part of the SRJ means Kosovo is an inalieble part of Serbia since Serbia is the sucessor state of SRJ!

Second,the ICJ did not mention Kosovos status but the right of Pristina to make declarations!

Elections will be held,however I think they are going to talk with Americans before that!
Ther will be a good deal for us Serbs!

Jovan

pre 12 godina

Mrs, Warlick, yes we have differences. and since good prevails and overcomes evil, ... you will leave our territories sooner or later, and we will take care again of southern Serbia.

you are alien to these lands and we live here. you will leave, we will stay, and we will prevail. and then your little vassal-creation will perish! =)

just a question of time!

ps: you should be ashamed, Mrs. Warlick. you know why...

Jimbo

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Demi, 8 March 2012 12:30)

Wrong!Serbia is the official successor state of Yugoslavia,and all treaties from the SRJ apply to Serbia today!
That means UN1244 which says in its original Kosovo is an inaliebale part of the SRJ means Kosovo is an inalieble part of Serbia since Serbia is the sucessor state of SRJ!

Second,the ICJ did not mention Kosovos status but the right of Pristina to make declarations!

Elections will be held,however I think they are going to talk with Americans before that!
Ther will be a good deal for us Serbs!
(CG, 8 March 2012 16:02)

It seems like you are reading your own personal version of 1244, since the real 1244 makes it very clear that Serbs in Kosova have nothing to do with elections in Serbia proper.

Danilo

pre 12 godina

Almost every example I can think of that Serbs love to use about possible separatist movements in other countries, especially the USA, neglect the very basic fact that the groups mentioned have no interest whatsoever to separate. Aboriginal Americans? wat? Mexicans in California or Texas are often mentioned. Mexicans are literally risking their lives so their children can be born American. They have no interest in any kind of separatism.

This comes down to the fact that most Serbs prefer to ignore: Albanians don't want to be a part of Serbia and for good reason. Look at that. Accept that fact. Analyze that honestly and maybe Serbia can mature a little as a society.

Danilo

pre 12 godina

"back to where they came from - Albania"

Yes, Serbs tend to be quick to suggest ethnic cleansing as a solution. strange.

Albanians currently living in Kosovo were born there. They are no more "from" Albania than I am from Serbia.

Albanians and Macedonians seem to be getting along just fine these days.

really?

pre 12 godina

How would the US Respond if Russia and China openly stated that they do not support and are against the current election process for US president? Funny that here we are in the middle of a presidential election, supposed free and fair, the beacon of democracy as individuals cast their votes across the fruited plain..yet we condemn the election process of another nation bc we (US) decided to amputate Kosovo from Serbia and give it to an albanian horde which will do our bidding. We destroy Libya and its' people in order to remove one man, which obviously was better than the current state of affairs...lets be honest, Libya is a mess and total disaster, Afghanistan will be our Vietnam 2, Iraq is a total failure, Senator McCain wants US to bomb Syria, seems like the US continues to believe that manifest destiny is alive and well. Inside each and every person is an American just waiting to get out...it's up to War Pigs like him to spring them loose.

Yet...damn those Serbs for voting...that's the REAL problem, how dare they vote against living under the rule of a mafia narco state, that destroys their heritage, churches, monuments, graves. How dare they not submit to a foreign muslim ruler that wants to kick them out of their land, murder them for their organs, blow up buses, beat up elderly...etc etc etc.

Sergio

pre 12 godina

Ms War-lick,
if US trying to dull the world with so-called democracy and american philosophy about human rights and the right of self-determination then would by nice from your part to explain why those rights are for a selected group of people, why US is violating the Helsinki agreement of non-violation of borders, why US destroys country after country and building the military bases, why under the pretext of human rights US kills for oil.
If your highness is for kosovars rights then is OK and to be sure that you are not partial and non-discriminatory toward the serbs according to AMERICAN DREAMS for equal rights, freedom, justice and liberties, the sebian people has the right to chose whom they want to be, where and how they want to live, enjoy the freedoms and the liberties as the americans do.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

Hey Mary, if you didn't think that Kosovo is Serbia, then your government never should have signed UN Resolution 1244, which confirms that Kosovo is Serbia. Thanks to the impenetrable Serbian army, you NATO war criminals were forced to sign something you didn't want to - too bad for you. Enjoy your dying empire while it lasts, which is not much longer.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Cheers!!

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

"She added that local election in the north would bring representatives who would have no authority according to Kosovo laws."

No problem! "Kosovo laws" have no authority up there anyway, or did she miss the memo about the 99.74%? :)

Shqiponja

pre 12 godina

I really love how you Serbs make up your own dreams and lie to yourself that it's a real life and not a dream.

You guys keep saying Kosova is Serbia but you don't want to believe that Kosova is gone ages ago. You need to get on with your life and face the truth.

The Americans have already taken sides which is pro Albanians. I love how some of you here play with themself as if anyone would listen to you or your lies.

Keep dreaming guys

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

All things will happen in good time. The US is destroying itself and it will fall apart like a tower made of matches. Its destruction has nothing to do with God or the predictions in the Bible, but simply money. The US has borrowed too much and will have to repay in its demise. We will all watch as one by one the States will leave the union – every dog has his day and the Serbs will too – at most 4 years to wait.
(sj, 9 March 2012 11:23)

Ok I see that you know very well what is happening. So for 4 years USA is bankrupt. Than I think NATO will withdraw military forces from Kosova, than the “Strong Army” of Serbia will march till Prizren. Albanians that the only hope had USA will welcome with flowers the Serbian Army that has destroyed all Empires (Roman, Byzantine, Ottoman, NATO) and after 4 years “Kosovo is Serbia”. Yes this is written in all legends “Serbs always win”. But who cares if they don’t win they celebrate even losses. Did I understand you well?

Shpetim

pre 12 godina

Dragan

That is not a reliable source, read the top. You'll have to give me source that does not pander to either Serbs or Albanians. WW2 is very recent anyway, there must be some camera footage of those people flooding in. Try harder next time and I may grounds to believe you. This myth has been dismissed by historians and journalists who have visited the area, like Tim Judah, Noel Malcolm, Micha Glenny. as I said, give me a reliable source, not the Serbian Orthodox Church

Zoran

pre 12 godina

It sounds to me like the US has gone and done something thoughtlessly and then buried its head in the sand.

I'm curious whether Warlick has read Dick Marty's report on human organ trafficking and the accusations the Thaci is a criminal of the worst kind? How can she expect any sane person to be represented by anyone of this kind?

The Serbs south of the Ibar are not willingly integrating. They are being forced to as a matter of survival. It is a shame the US is so short sighted.

Shpetim

pre 12 godina

"Someone like you who doesn't know any history doesn't know that Tito allowed hundreds of thousands illegal albanians to flood Kosovo and weaken Serbia. "

Great. OK, evidence please. This is quite recent so there must be some footage of this, camera, photographic evidence, the rest. After all, its impossible that such a movement of people is not recorded in books and statistics of either Albania or Serbia. So go ahead give me the undisputed evidence.

Shpetim

pre 12 godina

Dragan

So they stayd in Kosova illegally? Are you really so dim? What you're telling me, is people entered Yugoslavia, from Albania even as late as the 1980's and there is no footage of them doing so or even say a news report. Whats more, the Serbs emigrated to Serbia and were being chased out by those illegal Albanians and the Yugoslavia authorities did nothing. I do know that most Serb posters here believe the most bizarre explanations (like the CIA broke up Yugoslavia) but if you engage your brain for even a little second, you'll realize how outlandish it sounds that half a million Albanians crossed over in the space of 30 years and there is no records on show to back it up

Dragan

pre 12 godina

This comes down to the fact that most Serbs prefer to ignore: Albanians don't want to be a part of Serbia and for good reason. Look at that. Accept that fact. Analyze that honestly and maybe Serbia can mature a little as a society.
(Danilo, 9 March 2012 14:02)

That's beside the point. They don't want to be part of Macedonia, Montenegro, and Greece either. They don't get along with anyone. The fact is, they are in Serbia, and if they don't like it they are free to go back to where they came from - Albania. I personaly hope that they flood Germany, that would be poetic justice.
Cheers!!

WTH?

pre 12 godina

My daddy is stronger than your daddy; that's the summary of this thread.

And now I will take bets on who is winning, the crying KGB agent or...

Dragan

pre 12 godina

Shpetim, it is common knowledge that after WWII Tito did not allow Serbs to go back to Kosovo, and allowed hundreds of thousands of illegal albanians to settle there. This is not even disputed, it's common knowledge. There are countless sources and history books on this, just try using google. Here's a little bullet point short form history for you, easy to understand. Run along now and learn something!
http://www.kosovo.net/dateline.html
The next question will be on Illyrian civilization.
Cheers!!

sj

pre 12 godina

I would love to see china push some Native America tribes in the USA to declare secession and see how America likes it.
(Andrei, 9 March 2012 07:41)

All things will happen in good time. The US is destroying itself and it will fall apart like a tower made of matches. Its destruction has nothing to do with God or the predictions in the Bible, but simply money. The US has borrowed too much and will have to repay in its demise. We will all watch as one by one the States will leave the union – every dog has his day and the Serbs will too – at most 4 years to wait.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

This comes down to the fact that most Serbs prefer to ignore: Albanians don't want to be a part of Serbia and for good reason. Look at that. Accept that fact. Analyze that honestly and maybe Serbia can mature a little as a society.
(Danilo, 9 March 2012 14:02)

Bosnian Serbs don't want to be part of Bosnia. Northern Kosovo Serbs don't want to be part of Albanian Kosovo. Nobody seems to accept these facts.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

"back to where they came from - Albania"

Yes, Serbs tend to be quick to suggest ethnic cleansing as a solution. strange.

Albanians currently living in Kosovo were born there. They are no more "from" Albania than I am from Serbia.

Albanians and Macedonians seem to be getting along just fine these days.
(Danilo, 9 March 2012 21:08)

Well where do I start? If albanians don't like living in Serbia, they are free to leave, the same way that if someone is not happy in Canada they are free to leave. How is that advocating ethnic cleansing? Maybe in your warped illogical mind.
Albanians were all born in Kosovo? Do you know them all personaly? Someone like you who doesn't know any history doesn't know that Tito allowed hundreds of thousands illegal albanians to flood Kosovo and weaken Serbia.
And for the biggest joke of all - drum roll - albanians and Macedonians get along just fine! LOL Yeah, that's why they had a civil war, and that's why every Macedonian I've ever met absolutely despises them. That's why the day after the yanks (NATO) lose interest in FYROM the place will fall apart and disintegrate into war instantly. You should try comedy in case data centres don't work - your posts are full of comedy.
Cheers!!

Dragan

pre 12 godina

How about Richard Jansen, he's not a Serb:
http://lamar.colostate.edu/~grjan/kosovohistory.html

Let's summarize:

'In Kosovo, under Albanian and German rule nearly 100,000 Albanians moved into Kosovo. Serbs were harassed and attacked by the occupying force of Albanians.

In 1967 Tito made his first visit to Kosovo. He purged Alexander Rankovic, who was a strong Serbian "centralist" and much hated in Kosovo, from power in Kosovo. This created euphoria among the Albanian population. More concessions were made to Albanian nationalism dealing with languages, education and other cultural issues. A veritable flood of Albanian nationalism was the predictable result. Because of immigration of Albanians, emigration of Serbs and a very high Albanian birthrate from 1961 to 1971 Albanians increased from 67% to 74% of the population .

These developments continued and intensified.... A continued demographic explosion of births among low- income, poorly educated Albanians who became dependents of the government increased the financial drain and increased the resentment. In addition, income inequalities became worse in the move toward "market socialism" and the move away from central planning. By 1981 100,000 Serbs left Kosovo and as Albanians continued to move in they now constituted 77% of the population in Kosovo. Making economic development worse, the Serbs who left were better educated and technically trained than the Albanians who moved in.'

All his words, not mine.
Cheers!!

New Zealander

pre 12 godina

& They call themselves the champions of democracy, this is the third time in a month they've helped destroy democracy around the world. First the Syrian referendum (With no evidence to suggest it wasnt free & fair), Second the Russian Elections (The most transparent election in world history) & finally telling the Kosovo-Serbs that they are not allowed to vote in democratic elections.

sj

pre 12 godina

Albanians and Macedonians seem to be getting along just fine these days.
(Danilo, 9 March 2012 21:08)
You should keep up with events. B92 posted an artivcle yesterday where tension between Albanians and Macedonians were increasing.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

except, this is all very recent. there must be some footage of this massive Albanian migration in the 1960's. let us see it.
(Shpetim, 10 March 2012 23:11)

Are you 10 years old, or just a little slow? You want video footage of each illegal immigrant that crossed from Albania to Serbia for a better life? Hint, lots of them came over in cars for a 'visit', and never left. The facts are there, whether they came over on a donkey or snuck through the woods, you and your relatives probably know better than me. You seem to be good at smuggling all sorts of things after all, including human organs.