Prosecution: We proved Šešelj is guilty

Twenty years ago, Serb ultranationalist Vojislav Šešelj vowed that rivers of blood would flow if Bosnia declared independence...
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There were lots of people warning of war if BiH declared independence, Izetbegovic included. However, the West - Germany, the US, Clinton and the other war mongers still pushed it. They are the responsible ones.

So after 9 years, the prosecution is finishing it's case, calling 72 witnesses and claiming somehow that predicting an inevitable war would break out if BiH declared independence and that blood would spill somehow justifies a 9 year trial?

I don't think anyone is claiming Seselj is a saint but he was no different to other politicians of the time. Since Germany, Clinton, the US and UK are to blame for these wars, they are simply pointing their finger elsewhere so they can continue to spread death and destruction throughout the world.

It is obvious these trials have not worked very well in the West's favour. As can been seen by Hussain, a quick show trial and hanging also backfired. With Gaddafi, just a bullet to the head seems to be the new way for these Western war criminals.

The prosecution and Hague tribunal found him guilty before the trial. The trial was for public consumption.

Seselj is not my favorite caracter at all but the thing is he must be guilty because he is Serb.I will not be surprised that Hague find us guilty for all bad things that happens in the world.

There are People who will say that even though Hitler was not put on Trial, everyone accepts that he was Guilty, and that is because built such a huge Army, Navy, and Air Force to attack other Countries; his Illegal and Immoral Occupation of Czechoslovakia and invasion of Poland, along with many other things; whereas, the Serbs were only defending themselves from American Sponsored and Directed Aggressors.

Had Hitler been put on Trial, then the Dirty and Unjust Tactics would not have been needed, as they were with Slobodan Milosevic, and the Prosecutors against Hitler could prove there case in at one month, but after Four Years, the Corrupt and Bribed Kangaroo Court could not prove their case against Slobodan Milosevic.

The Kangaroo Court and the Farce that The Hague is, was afraid that Slobodan Milosevic would appeal any guilty conviction, and so he was conveniently found dead for some types of European Politicians who claim to be big on Democracy, and Vojislav Seselj has been on trial for seven years.

We know that you can make nearly anyone your Puppet, and we do not know if they has been any pressure or incentive on Vojislav Seselj to go along with your desperate need to make whitewash your crimes against Humanity; but I will always know that you are Scum, and even if there should be an extra Scum in this World, then it does not change anything with regard to the NATO Court.

Good ponts, Nenad. Let's see how the Hague will handle all the witness tampering, threatening, killing, etc., in the Haradinaj case. Let's see if they they really are unbiased?

The typical Otpor crowd (bought and paid for by Madeline Albright and the US of A) are dumping on Seselj again. Why? Well these Otporists are so brainwashed by anti-Serb western media that they think Seselj has no right to free speech (because that is all that he is apparently guilty of). They think Seselj should be locked up for the rest of his life by a fake kangaroo court just because he said some bellicose statements. If this were the criteria, almost all western leaders should be in the Hague too, since they make bellicose war-mongering statements on a regular basis. Not only that, they actually order illegal bombings of far away foreign lands, and arm muslim fanatics and croat fascists to get their way.
Seselj is a Saint, yes a an absolute Saint, compared to war criminals like Madeline Albright, Richard Holbrooke, Wesley Clark, Bill/Hillary Clinton, Tony Bliar, and Hans Dittrich-Genscher.
This trial just proves to the world what a complete farce these show trials are.

This guy, just like a lot of his buddies in the dock, is a complete buffoon. I see here the usual nationalists and conspiracy theorists rallying to his defense, but your rants are of little consequence. Incidentally, Seselj may be let out soon for acquittals/time served, but that doesn't mean he should never have been placed on trial. He placed himself squarely in the midst of the violent nationalism engulfing former Yugoslavia in the late 80s - early 90s, and rather than distance himself from Milosevic and all the rest, he formed a paramilitary group that now stands accused of heinous crimes throughout the region. Did he fire a gun himself? Perhaps not, but he might well have ordered his men to do so. That is the purpose of this trial. The nationalists decry said trial (and all others against Serbs at the ICTY) as completely biased, but most of the rest of the world disagrees and would much rather that criminal proceedings take place there than in a heavily corrupt and pro-Serb Belgrade. For an example of what can go wrong when these trials are held in the home country of the accused, just read today's B92 story on the Medak Pocket. By the way, thie same story might just be an example of how there could be a grain of truth to the accusations of anti-Serb bias at the Hague (the proceedings against Ademi and Norac were presumably transferred to Croatia a while back), but sometimes the world is forced to choose between the lesser of two evils.

Seselj has been on trial for too long but he has mostly (at least) himself to blame. His foolish arrogance drove him to self-defense (any lawyer will tell you that's a no-no) and all sorts of silly stalling and wrangling over rights, legal costs, etc. He then got himself into more trouble by disclosing protected identities. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Recall that the ICTY even convicted a Montenegrin newspaper editor to 18 months for the same offense -- clearly, the contempt laws are treated very seriously.

Anyway, defend him and all his brethren if you wish, but your rallying cries are unlikely to have much influence on the course of events at the ICTY.

This man is a monster. His virulent rascism is what sent Bosnia into the depths of hell during the war. The unspeakable crimes committed against non-Serbs would have never been possible without men like Sesjl stirring up the cauldron of hatred. His men were responsible for crimes that have not been seen since the dark ages of Europe. The scale of these crimes is most shocking and deeply disturbing and I hope we never see evil like this ever again.

The matter and the facts proved long before the trial began what Arkan and the Tigers did in Bosnia and Croatia; and the same modus operandi applies to Seselj and his militias who killed 1000s of innocent people.

Winston,

Personally, I do believe that anti-Serb bias exists at the Hague, but take any basic sociology class in college and you'll learn that bias is a naturally-occurring and unavoidable element of any society. I've said it before and I'll say it again: the Serbs put themselves in this position. They were sloppy in how they went about their business at the outset of the conflict and set themselves up for a very nasty reaction from the West -- who just happened to hold all the cards at that time, one of them being an opportunity to punish an historic Russian ally for war crimes.

The reality for any head of state is that he/she must choose his battles wisely. Why mess with the toughest guy on the playground when he might just have an interest in punching your lights out?

The Milosevic machine went about its business with about as much foresight as an ant.

The ICTY is a predictable consequence of the Balkan conflagration. Remember that WWII was a stark (and far worse) precedent, out of which such as animals as the Geneva Conventions and UN-sponsored war crimes trials were born. The Hague was made for people like Seselj.

It was also made for people like Tudjman, Izetbegovic and Haradinaj, but getting the world to level upon them their just deserve is a lot harder in reality than it is in theory. Outside of the Balkans, most people didn't really know who the Serbs were -- and that included the legal staff at the Hague. Their first introduction was reams of evidence pertaining to Arkan's Tigers, the pulverization of Vukovar or the siege of Sarajevo.

To get the Hague prosecution to see the wars from their perspective, the Serbs had a huge mountain to climb. On top of that, they had to cut through all the beauracracy that accompanies a massive institution like the UN. I hate to think what kind of workload the ICTY judges, lawyers and paralegals have been coping with under UN funding constraints. Consciously or not, they're probably going to regard someone like Mladic a little differently than Rasim Delic when staring at an enormous pile of evidence -- even though they might come from faraway countries like Korea and Japan -- because most of the impression they've received from things like media images of Sarajevo and Srebrenica, or the overwhelming number of Serbian indictees at the Hague, is that Serbs are basically the bad guys. No matter how hard they might try to be fair and objective, they're human beings with limited knowledge of the situation, limited bandwith to properly handle their caseload, and an unconscious mind that is prone to a distorted (biased) view of the history.

Regardless of the bias that undoubtedly exists -- to whatever extent -- I'm happy to see men like Seselj put on trial. I haven't seen the evidence and don't know what the guy did or didn't do, but he's been indicted. I trust that the case has merit and that he deserves to be in court. If not, then I hope that the process would bear that out and that he would be set free and duly compensated for his trouble.

That's how any legal system is supposed to work. I have no expectation that the ICTY is anywhere near perfect, but I'm assuming you could say the same about pretty much any legal system that exists around the world. Personally, I'd be far more reluctant to trust the Serbian courts to properly carry out justice in these cases, and I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable with Russia or China standing in as a third-party alternative. UN courts are, by design, the most balanced, impartial legal institutions in the world. Why have them at all if you can't trust their (relative) competency?

The real problem, in my view, for guys like Seselj is that they chose to get involved in vicious wars in the first place. And contrary to what that oh-so-unbiased 1990s Belgrade media might lead many Serbs to believe, those were wars that probably could have been avoided -- and most assuredly were NOT stirred up by the West.

I didn't realise that speaking certain words was a war crime, in that case I guess most Serbs that exist could be tried for war crimes. It is an absolute mockery of law and order to try and use the fact that he made certain statements as evidence for war crimes, evidence of war crimes need to directly show that he killed or made a specific order on video or recording, trying to link some speeches he made that might have been of an aggressive nature dont connect him with the deaths of any dead muslims or croats. If such evidence existed then it would have been found after all these of him being in the Hague, the length of the trail just goes to show how there is no concrete evidence.

It is common sense to realise that he is there due to the fact that he isn't wanted back in Serbian politics. Whether one supports the SRS or not, it is easy to realise that their votes have fell because the leadership isn't very strong, but if Seselj returned then there is a strong chance he could rally not only more voters, but even possibly make attempts unite a greater nationalist opposition force, arguably he is the key to that, because he is a very good orator and draws more respect than currect leaders of the SRS.

But as for war crimes, even those Serbs that condemn him and want to see him put away, types like yourselves are just jumping on the western bandwagon, and are simply scared of the support your puppet parties may well lose if Seselj returns.

RUmour says that Seselj also was carrying a handgun (pistol) on him while visiting Bosnia and Croatia during the war. How can the prosecution have missed this serious crime? It amazes me that they didn't charge him with illegal weapon possesion also... I mean, he can always get another 1-2 years in prison for that....

Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat - The proof lies upon the one who affirms, not the one who denies!

The Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms of the Council of Europe says (art. 6.2): "Everyone charged with a criminal offence shall be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law".

Nenad, could you please translate this into lay terms? I think myself and most other Serbians must not quite be understanding this? (According to you, of course).

I think he is guilty and was a bad person acting improperly for proper reasons.
However, you can not hold someone for that long before rendering a verdict. So, lket him go Hague. You messe dup. You think he is guilty but you can't hold him until you get the evidence. If you don't have it now, let him go and wait til you have a case before incarcerating people.
He should be freed, but I don;t want his vile nationalistic rhetoric and bigotry in my neighborhood.

I am fed up with propagandists. I mean the pro-nationalist inverters who blame the west for everything and who refuse to accept the responsibility for what was done in the name of Serbia. I didn't like Albright, but Milosevic was 100 times more detestable. Serbia has been greatly harmed by the violence performed in its name, and the nationalists needed to be forced to face up to their wrongs and made to live with being stamped on by greater forces. They squeal and squirm in these postings - but have been made insignificant by interventions designed to deliberately act against them. A good thing too.

If you believed that Seselj is a saint then you truly have lost your soul.If you believe him to be an innocent in the attacks upon BiH then you truly have lost your rationality. His defence is basically the Bart Simpson defence; I didn't do it- nobody saw me do it. Read the transcripts. We saw, we heard, we see the destruction he financed, he colluded with the perpetrators, was complicit in its execution. There is not a big enough book to throw at him; maybe the bible although it would probably burn on impact.

I am fed up with propagandists. I mean the pro-nationalist inverters who blame the west for everything and who refuse to accept the responsibility for what was done in the name of Serbia. I didn't like Albright, but Milosevic was 100 times more detestable. Serbia has been greatly harmed by the violence performed in its name, and the nationalists needed to be forced to face up to their wrongs and made to live with being stamped on by greater forces. They squeal and squirm in these postings - but have been made insignificant by interventions designed to deliberately act against them. A good thing too.
(Bob, 7 March 2012 00:03)

We are very glad that you and your neocon friends are fed up, that is the point. We know that you don't like hearing the truth, because the truth hurts people like you. Sorry, Bob, but we are going to keep spreading the truth.
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«media might lead many Serbs to believe, those were wars that probably could have been avoided -- and most assuredly were NOT stirred up by the West.»

Sure, those wars could have been avoided if Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia would have not had nationalist leaders as Tudjman, Izebergovic, and Milosevic. They were all the worst leaders at the worst place at the wrong moment!

those were wars that probably could have been avoided -- and most assuredly were NOT stirred up by the West.
(Nenad, 6 March 2012 18:34)

Wow Nenad, you actually had me validating most of what you were saying until you finished with this hugely erroneous statement.

The matter and the facts proved long before the trial began what Arkan and the Tigers did in Bosnia and Croatia; and the same modus operandi applies to Seselj and his militias who killed 1000s of innocent people.

This man is a monster. His virulent rascism is what sent Bosnia into the depths of hell during the war. The unspeakable crimes committed against non-Serbs would have never been possible without men like Sesjl stirring up the cauldron of hatred. His men were responsible for crimes that have not been seen since the dark ages of Europe. The scale of these crimes is most shocking and deeply disturbing and I hope we never see evil like this ever again.

I think he is guilty and was a bad person acting improperly for proper reasons.
However, you can not hold someone for that long before rendering a verdict. So, lket him go Hague. You messe dup. You think he is guilty but you can't hold him until you get the evidence. If you don't have it now, let him go and wait til you have a case before incarcerating people.
He should be freed, but I don;t want his vile nationalistic rhetoric and bigotry in my neighborhood.

Winston,

Personally, I do believe that anti-Serb bias exists at the Hague, but take any basic sociology class in college and you'll learn that bias is a naturally-occurring and unavoidable element of any society. I've said it before and I'll say it again: the Serbs put themselves in this position. They were sloppy in how they went about their business at the outset of the conflict and set themselves up for a very nasty reaction from the West -- who just happened to hold all the cards at that time, one of them being an opportunity to punish an historic Russian ally for war crimes.

The reality for any head of state is that he/she must choose his battles wisely. Why mess with the toughest guy on the playground when he might just have an interest in punching your lights out?

The Milosevic machine went about its business with about as much foresight as an ant.

The ICTY is a predictable consequence of the Balkan conflagration. Remember that WWII was a stark (and far worse) precedent, out of which such as animals as the Geneva Conventions and UN-sponsored war crimes trials were born. The Hague was made for people like Seselj.

It was also made for people like Tudjman, Izetbegovic and Haradinaj, but getting the world to level upon them their just deserve is a lot harder in reality than it is in theory. Outside of the Balkans, most people didn't really know who the Serbs were -- and that included the legal staff at the Hague. Their first introduction was reams of evidence pertaining to Arkan's Tigers, the pulverization of Vukovar or the siege of Sarajevo.

To get the Hague prosecution to see the wars from their perspective, the Serbs had a huge mountain to climb. On top of that, they had to cut through all the beauracracy that accompanies a massive institution like the UN. I hate to think what kind of workload the ICTY judges, lawyers and paralegals have been coping with under UN funding constraints. Consciously or not, they're probably going to regard someone like Mladic a little differently than Rasim Delic when staring at an enormous pile of evidence -- even though they might come from faraway countries like Korea and Japan -- because most of the impression they've received from things like media images of Sarajevo and Srebrenica, or the overwhelming number of Serbian indictees at the Hague, is that Serbs are basically the bad guys. No matter how hard they might try to be fair and objective, they're human beings with limited knowledge of the situation, limited bandwith to properly handle their caseload, and an unconscious mind that is prone to a distorted (biased) view of the history.

Regardless of the bias that undoubtedly exists -- to whatever extent -- I'm happy to see men like Seselj put on trial. I haven't seen the evidence and don't know what the guy did or didn't do, but he's been indicted. I trust that the case has merit and that he deserves to be in court. If not, then I hope that the process would bear that out and that he would be set free and duly compensated for his trouble.

That's how any legal system is supposed to work. I have no expectation that the ICTY is anywhere near perfect, but I'm assuming you could say the same about pretty much any legal system that exists around the world. Personally, I'd be far more reluctant to trust the Serbian courts to properly carry out justice in these cases, and I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable with Russia or China standing in as a third-party alternative. UN courts are, by design, the most balanced, impartial legal institutions in the world. Why have them at all if you can't trust their (relative) competency?

The real problem, in my view, for guys like Seselj is that they chose to get involved in vicious wars in the first place. And contrary to what that oh-so-unbiased 1990s Belgrade media might lead many Serbs to believe, those were wars that probably could have been avoided -- and most assuredly were NOT stirred up by the West.

Seselj is not my favorite caracter at all but the thing is he must be guilty because he is Serb.I will not be surprised that Hague find us guilty for all bad things that happens in the world.

This guy, just like a lot of his buddies in the dock, is a complete buffoon. I see here the usual nationalists and conspiracy theorists rallying to his defense, but your rants are of little consequence. Incidentally, Seselj may be let out soon for acquittals/time served, but that doesn't mean he should never have been placed on trial. He placed himself squarely in the midst of the violent nationalism engulfing former Yugoslavia in the late 80s - early 90s, and rather than distance himself from Milosevic and all the rest, he formed a paramilitary group that now stands accused of heinous crimes throughout the region. Did he fire a gun himself? Perhaps not, but he might well have ordered his men to do so. That is the purpose of this trial. The nationalists decry said trial (and all others against Serbs at the ICTY) as completely biased, but most of the rest of the world disagrees and would much rather that criminal proceedings take place there than in a heavily corrupt and pro-Serb Belgrade. For an example of what can go wrong when these trials are held in the home country of the accused, just read today's B92 story on the Medak Pocket. By the way, thie same story might just be an example of how there could be a grain of truth to the accusations of anti-Serb bias at the Hague (the proceedings against Ademi and Norac were presumably transferred to Croatia a while back), but sometimes the world is forced to choose between the lesser of two evils.

Seselj has been on trial for too long but he has mostly (at least) himself to blame. His foolish arrogance drove him to self-defense (any lawyer will tell you that's a no-no) and all sorts of silly stalling and wrangling over rights, legal costs, etc. He then got himself into more trouble by disclosing protected identities. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Recall that the ICTY even convicted a Montenegrin newspaper editor to 18 months for the same offense -- clearly, the contempt laws are treated very seriously.

Anyway, defend him and all his brethren if you wish, but your rallying cries are unlikely to have much influence on the course of events at the ICTY.

There are People who will say that even though Hitler was not put on Trial, everyone accepts that he was Guilty, and that is because built such a huge Army, Navy, and Air Force to attack other Countries; his Illegal and Immoral Occupation of Czechoslovakia and invasion of Poland, along with many other things; whereas, the Serbs were only defending themselves from American Sponsored and Directed Aggressors.

Had Hitler been put on Trial, then the Dirty and Unjust Tactics would not have been needed, as they were with Slobodan Milosevic, and the Prosecutors against Hitler could prove there case in at one month, but after Four Years, the Corrupt and Bribed Kangaroo Court could not prove their case against Slobodan Milosevic.

The Kangaroo Court and the Farce that The Hague is, was afraid that Slobodan Milosevic would appeal any guilty conviction, and so he was conveniently found dead for some types of European Politicians who claim to be big on Democracy, and Vojislav Seselj has been on trial for seven years.

We know that you can make nearly anyone your Puppet, and we do not know if they has been any pressure or incentive on Vojislav Seselj to go along with your desperate need to make whitewash your crimes against Humanity; but I will always know that you are Scum, and even if there should be an extra Scum in this World, then it does not change anything with regard to the NATO Court.

Twenty years ago, Serb ultranationalist Vojislav Šešelj vowed that rivers of blood would flow if Bosnia declared independence...
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There were lots of people warning of war if BiH declared independence, Izetbegovic included. However, the West - Germany, the US, Clinton and the other war mongers still pushed it. They are the responsible ones.

So after 9 years, the prosecution is finishing it's case, calling 72 witnesses and claiming somehow that predicting an inevitable war would break out if BiH declared independence and that blood would spill somehow justifies a 9 year trial?

I don't think anyone is claiming Seselj is a saint but he was no different to other politicians of the time. Since Germany, Clinton, the US and UK are to blame for these wars, they are simply pointing their finger elsewhere so they can continue to spread death and destruction throughout the world.

It is obvious these trials have not worked very well in the West's favour. As can been seen by Hussain, a quick show trial and hanging also backfired. With Gaddafi, just a bullet to the head seems to be the new way for these Western war criminals.

RUmour says that Seselj also was carrying a handgun (pistol) on him while visiting Bosnia and Croatia during the war. How can the prosecution have missed this serious crime? It amazes me that they didn't charge him with illegal weapon possesion also... I mean, he can always get another 1-2 years in prison for that....

The typical Otpor crowd (bought and paid for by Madeline Albright and the US of A) are dumping on Seselj again. Why? Well these Otporists are so brainwashed by anti-Serb western media that they think Seselj has no right to free speech (because that is all that he is apparently guilty of). They think Seselj should be locked up for the rest of his life by a fake kangaroo court just because he said some bellicose statements. If this were the criteria, almost all western leaders should be in the Hague too, since they make bellicose war-mongering statements on a regular basis. Not only that, they actually order illegal bombings of far away foreign lands, and arm muslim fanatics and croat fascists to get their way.
Seselj is a Saint, yes a an absolute Saint, compared to war criminals like Madeline Albright, Richard Holbrooke, Wesley Clark, Bill/Hillary Clinton, Tony Bliar, and Hans Dittrich-Genscher.
This trial just proves to the world what a complete farce these show trials are.

The prosecution and Hague tribunal found him guilty before the trial. The trial was for public consumption.

I am fed up with propagandists. I mean the pro-nationalist inverters who blame the west for everything and who refuse to accept the responsibility for what was done in the name of Serbia. I didn't like Albright, but Milosevic was 100 times more detestable. Serbia has been greatly harmed by the violence performed in its name, and the nationalists needed to be forced to face up to their wrongs and made to live with being stamped on by greater forces. They squeal and squirm in these postings - but have been made insignificant by interventions designed to deliberately act against them. A good thing too.

I didn't realise that speaking certain words was a war crime, in that case I guess most Serbs that exist could be tried for war crimes. It is an absolute mockery of law and order to try and use the fact that he made certain statements as evidence for war crimes, evidence of war crimes need to directly show that he killed or made a specific order on video or recording, trying to link some speeches he made that might have been of an aggressive nature dont connect him with the deaths of any dead muslims or croats. If such evidence existed then it would have been found after all these of him being in the Hague, the length of the trail just goes to show how there is no concrete evidence.

It is common sense to realise that he is there due to the fact that he isn't wanted back in Serbian politics. Whether one supports the SRS or not, it is easy to realise that their votes have fell because the leadership isn't very strong, but if Seselj returned then there is a strong chance he could rally not only more voters, but even possibly make attempts unite a greater nationalist opposition force, arguably he is the key to that, because he is a very good orator and draws more respect than currect leaders of the SRS.

But as for war crimes, even those Serbs that condemn him and want to see him put away, types like yourselves are just jumping on the western bandwagon, and are simply scared of the support your puppet parties may well lose if Seselj returns.

If you believed that Seselj is a saint then you truly have lost your soul.If you believe him to be an innocent in the attacks upon BiH then you truly have lost your rationality. His defence is basically the Bart Simpson defence; I didn't do it- nobody saw me do it. Read the transcripts. We saw, we heard, we see the destruction he financed, he colluded with the perpetrators, was complicit in its execution. There is not a big enough book to throw at him; maybe the bible although it would probably burn on impact.

I am fed up with propagandists. I mean the pro-nationalist inverters who blame the west for everything and who refuse to accept the responsibility for what was done in the name of Serbia. I didn't like Albright, but Milosevic was 100 times more detestable. Serbia has been greatly harmed by the violence performed in its name, and the nationalists needed to be forced to face up to their wrongs and made to live with being stamped on by greater forces. They squeal and squirm in these postings - but have been made insignificant by interventions designed to deliberately act against them. A good thing too.
(Bob, 7 March 2012 00:03)

We are very glad that you and your neocon friends are fed up, that is the point. We know that you don't like hearing the truth, because the truth hurts people like you. Sorry, Bob, but we are going to keep spreading the truth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI4kz8CSYmA

Cheers!!

Good ponts, Nenad. Let's see how the Hague will handle all the witness tampering, threatening, killing, etc., in the Haradinaj case. Let's see if they they really are unbiased?

Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat - The proof lies upon the one who affirms, not the one who denies!

The Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms of the Council of Europe says (art. 6.2): "Everyone charged with a criminal offence shall be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law".

Nenad, could you please translate this into lay terms? I think myself and most other Serbians must not quite be understanding this? (According to you, of course).

those were wars that probably could have been avoided -- and most assuredly were NOT stirred up by the West.
(Nenad, 6 March 2012 18:34)

Wow Nenad, you actually had me validating most of what you were saying until you finished with this hugely erroneous statement.

«media might lead many Serbs to believe, those were wars that probably could have been avoided -- and most assuredly were NOT stirred up by the West.»

Sure, those wars could have been avoided if Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia would have not had nationalist leaders as Tudjman, Izebergovic, and Milosevic. They were all the worst leaders at the worst place at the wrong moment!