FM: Borders cannot be changed unilaterally

"...what ethnic Albanians did in Kosovo was not in line with those rules/international rules..."

Jeremic is talking as there was no WAR in Kosovo and my question would be what rules did Serbian state followed in last Kosovo war and other wars?

What international rules followed Ghadafi of Lybia against its own people?

What international rules is following Assad in his war against its own people?

"....our southern province Kosovo and Metohija" blah blah blah and how is "Srbija do Tokija" working out for ya Mr Jeremic?

Borders cannot be changed unilaterally? That's strange...Kosova did do just that. Remember the border agreement you/Serbia just signed with Kosova? There's a border, a line that seperates Serbia from Kosova. You have your side and Kosova has theirs. Customs officers man the border crossings and regulate documents, passports, license plates and they even charge for non Kosovar plates. KPS on one side and Serbian customs on the other. Sounds like Serbia has no idea what they signed or agreed to. Maybe Serbians are gullible enough to believe Jeremics words rather than the content of those words. The proof is literally at the border! ALSO, the term "administrative crossing" that Serbia trys selling their people is a MADE UP WORD. There is no such thing as an "administrative crossing" in this world. Look it up if you don't believe me. See, Serbia fools their own people with made up words like "Administrative crossing". Its a border fools!

Here is a definition of "borders" from wiki below, What devides Kosova and Serbia can only be described as a border - Borders define geographic boundaries of political entities or legal jurisdictions, such as governments, sovereign states, federated states and other subnational entities. Some borders—such as a state's internal administrative borders, or inter-state borders within the Schengen Area—are open and completely unguarded. Other borders are partially or fully controlled, and may be crossed legally only at designated border checkpoints.

It was Serbia that pushed it's border forcefully toward independent Albabia,in the year 1914,which included Kosova.
How can you forget that Mr.

Mr. FM can not you keep your mouth shut at least for the next few hours?

Didn't Serbs began first to change borders of internationally recognized countries of Croatia and Bosnia? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Jeremic is absolutely right. It would be chaos if every people in every country wanted to seceed. If international rules do not apply to Kosovo then there will be at least 10 more countries out of former Yugoslavia and Albania. Powerful countries like America and countries in the european union do not have the right to tear a country appart just because they think they should.

Jeremic is absolutely right. It would be chaos if every people in every country wanted to seceed. If international rules do not apply to Kosovo then there will be at least 10 more countries out of former Yugoslavia and Albania. Powerful countries like America and countries in the european union do not have the right to tear a country appart just because they think they should.
(The Dude, 1 March 2012 17:03)
You are right that it would be chaos, that is why countries seriously considered the situation and said that Kosovo was a unique case. The reasons must meet a very high standard in order to justify a country's recognition. So far close to 90 countries have felt that Kosovo has met that level and is justified. Were this a simple case of secession it is doubtful that it would have received those or future recognitions.
This is a different world from past centuries where a country was free to do as it pleases to the people within its borders and the world must respect that. An issue of human rights has clouded the issue of what are the rights of territorial sovereignty.

Vuk again completely failing. Secession was in most time of human history "unilateral" or "in contradiction to the laws of the previous mother state". Practically half of the European states have been created on that principle. There are only rare cases, such as the split up of Czechoslovakia where this happened peacefully, but that requires logical thinking on both sides. Serbs don't think logical when it comes to Kosovo because religious and nationalistic voices dominate, but this on a side note.

Kosovo declared independence and it is now up to other states to recognize it or not. Apparently, more and more are doing this and it is only a matter of time, until even in Belgrade it cannot be denied any more.

"You cannot change borders of internationally recognized countries as you choose, using unilateral means. The rules of the international community and international law dictate the ways to create a state, and what ethnic Albanians and the local leadership of our southern province Kosovo and Metohija did on February 17 (2008) is not how a state can be created," –Jeremiq.
So many things are wrong with this statement; I don’t even know where to begin, but I’ll try:
“The rules of the international community and international law dictate the ways to create a state,…” Yes, they do and ICJ, which represents the international community agreed with this declaration of independence. Therefore, no international rules or laws were broken, including your favorite SCR 1244. In addition, the rules of the international community also state that you should treat the people in your country like humans and not kill them and try to ethnically cleanse them.
“using unilateral means.” Kosovo’s declaration of independence in 2008 was not unilateral; it was actually a coordinated process with many, many countries. This declaration of independence was a result of a long long process of negotiations and processes. If our 2008 declaration of independence was unilateral it would not have been any different than our declaration of independence in the early 90ties when only Albania recognized us.
“…southern province Kosovo and Metohija…” I thought you just agreed that Kosovo should be represented with the name ‘Kosovo*’? What’s up with the ‘Metohija part? Just get over it.
“…and what ethnic Albanians…” although the majority of the representatives that declared the independence in 2008 were ethnic Albanians, all the minority groups with the exception of the serbs, were represented on that day. Therefore, it was the Kosovo representatives that declared the independence.

"if every people in every country wanted to seceed"

Key word here is "wanted"

""You cannot change borders of internationally recognized countries as you choose, using unilateral means. The rules of the international community and international law dictate the ways to create a state, and what ethnic Albanians and the local leadership of our southern province Kosovo and Metohija did on February 17 (2008) is not how a state can be created," he said."


Hmm, so according to Vuk you cannot change borders of internationally recognized countries as you choose, using unilateral means. The rules of the international community and international law dictate the ways to create a state, and what ethnic Serbs and the local leadership of Ottoman Empire's province of Serbia did in the 19th century is not how a state can be created.

"The reasons must meet a very high standard in order to justify a country's recognition. So far close to 90 countries have felt that Kosovo has met that level and is justified. "
(a New Day, 1 March 2012 19:11)

What should these 'high standards' in Kosovo be? Wasting donor money for corrupt clans? Ethnically motivated crimes? Manipulated elections? Being the main drug hub in Europe? A prime minister with a very doubtful past? A clan based society that isn't ripe for any democratic standards?

and sooner or later, Mr.Tadic will be gone, so better men can take over...

just a question of time...
(Jovan, 2 March 2012 01:59)

Yes, of course Jovan, back to the Stone Age with Fred Flintstone.

What should these 'high standards' in Kosovo be? Wasting donor money for corrupt clans? Ethnically motivated crimes? Manipulated elections? Being the main drug hub in Europe? A prime minister with a very doubtful past? A clan based society that isn't ripe for any democratic standards?
(Comm. Parrisson, 2 March 2012 09:15)
Maybe they are looking at Kosovo through non-Serb eyes. You would be amazed what you see when you take the ultranationalist blinders off!
However high standards was not the phrase I was really meaning, I believe that countries recognize not so much because they think Kosovo has earned it as much as that indpendence is the only viable option the people have. Could you honestly say in your heart that there are not a huge number of Serbs that are to this day anxiously waiting for the time that they can one day rid Kosovo of its Albanian population? Possibly you?

A FREE and independent SCOTLAND WILL PREVAIL.....and they didn't even have to pay the Clintons campaign millions in Albania drug money to do so.....
F R E E S C O T L A N D ! !

MAMA, Your son is soon to be home.......Sean!

so... an albanian "journalist" posed that stupid question, right? =)

...all thos ineffective attempts of the Touchy-regime down there in southern Serbia, those letters to the european union members not to grant candidate-status, or now these "independent" journalists with oh so stupid questions...

they do not seem to get it.

it seems that there is only one language that those extremists do understand...

and sooner or later, Mr.Tadic will be gone, so better men can take over...

just a question of time...

Guess who's not an eu candidate? albania

Guess who's not an eu candidate, not a UN member and can't participate in the Olympics? kosovo

Key word here is "wanted"
(Danilo, 1 March 2012 20:10)

Well the Palestinians, Tamils, West Papuans, Karen, Kurds, Somaliland, Abkhaz, South Ossetians "want" their independence. That's just a start.

so... an albanian "journalist" posed that stupid question, right? =)

...all thos ineffective attempts of the Touchy-regime down there in southern Serbia, those letters to the european union members not to grant candidate-status, or now these "independent" journalists with oh so stupid questions...

they do not seem to get it.

it seems that there is only one language that those extremists do understand...

and sooner or later, Mr.Tadic will be gone, so better men can take over...

just a question of time...
(Jovan, 2 March 2012 01:59)

And what Jovan, if someone else takes over? Do you actually think that People in Serbia care about Kosovo anymore, Who will have the energy to organise the serb army to even think of being involved in any quarrels? Dont you ever see the comments on the Serbian version of B92,The times for the serb nationalism are over, Cedo Jovanovic and people like him is what serbia needs right now.
Serbs want I Phones, Audis like everyone else, and a better life , not BS that Jeremic and Dacic sell to gain for their votes

Well said Vuk. The only way to bring back law & order to Kosovo is to bring back Serbian police & army.

No more lies from America and no more lies from Albanians.

The Serbian people are the real victims in Kosovo. Look at the refugees. They are not Albanians. Albanians have 90% or more population. You guys got what you want because of propaganda and lies.

Times are a changin'

See you in Kosovo :)

This number (percentage) is probably on the same level than the percentage of Kosovo Albanians who want to get rid of Serbian population (not much left of them in most parts of Kosovo, anyway).
(Comm. Parrisson, 2 March 2012 20:27)

Exactly, that's why Serbia has lost Kosovo and Kosovo has lost Serbia.

"Could you honestly say in your heart that there are not a huge number of Serbs that are to this day anxiously waiting for the time that they can one day rid Kosovo of its Albanian population? "
(a New Day, 2 March 2012 14:09)

This number (percentage) is probably on the same level than the percentage of Kosovo Albanians who want to get rid of Serbian population (not much left of them in most parts of Kosovo, anyway).

Borders cannot be changed unilaterally? That's strange...Kosova did do just that. Remember the border agreement you/Serbia just signed with Kosova? There's a border, a line that seperates Serbia from Kosova. You have your side and Kosova has theirs. Customs officers man the border crossings and regulate documents, passports, license plates and they even charge for non Kosovar plates. KPS on one side and Serbian customs on the other. Sounds like Serbia has no idea what they signed or agreed to. Maybe Serbians are gullible enough to believe Jeremics words rather than the content of those words. The proof is literally at the border! ALSO, the term "administrative crossing" that Serbia trys selling their people is a MADE UP WORD. There is no such thing as an "administrative crossing" in this world. Look it up if you don't believe me. See, Serbia fools their own people with made up words like "Administrative crossing". Its a border fools!

Here is a definition of "borders" from wiki below, What devides Kosova and Serbia can only be described as a border - Borders define geographic boundaries of political entities or legal jurisdictions, such as governments, sovereign states, federated states and other subnational entities. Some borders—such as a state's internal administrative borders, or inter-state borders within the Schengen Area—are open and completely unguarded. Other borders are partially or fully controlled, and may be crossed legally only at designated border checkpoints.

Jeremic is absolutely right. It would be chaos if every people in every country wanted to seceed. If international rules do not apply to Kosovo then there will be at least 10 more countries out of former Yugoslavia and Albania. Powerful countries like America and countries in the european union do not have the right to tear a country appart just because they think they should.

It was Serbia that pushed it's border forcefully toward independent Albabia,in the year 1914,which included Kosova.
How can you forget that Mr.

"...what ethnic Albanians did in Kosovo was not in line with those rules/international rules..."

Jeremic is talking as there was no WAR in Kosovo and my question would be what rules did Serbian state followed in last Kosovo war and other wars?

What international rules followed Ghadafi of Lybia against its own people?

What international rules is following Assad in his war against its own people?

Mr. FM can not you keep your mouth shut at least for the next few hours?

"....our southern province Kosovo and Metohija" blah blah blah and how is "Srbija do Tokija" working out for ya Mr Jeremic?

Didn't Serbs began first to change borders of internationally recognized countries of Croatia and Bosnia? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Jeremic is absolutely right. It would be chaos if every people in every country wanted to seceed. If international rules do not apply to Kosovo then there will be at least 10 more countries out of former Yugoslavia and Albania. Powerful countries like America and countries in the european union do not have the right to tear a country appart just because they think they should.
(The Dude, 1 March 2012 17:03)
You are right that it would be chaos, that is why countries seriously considered the situation and said that Kosovo was a unique case. The reasons must meet a very high standard in order to justify a country's recognition. So far close to 90 countries have felt that Kosovo has met that level and is justified. Were this a simple case of secession it is doubtful that it would have received those or future recognitions.
This is a different world from past centuries where a country was free to do as it pleases to the people within its borders and the world must respect that. An issue of human rights has clouded the issue of what are the rights of territorial sovereignty.

"if every people in every country wanted to seceed"

Key word here is "wanted"

Vuk again completely failing. Secession was in most time of human history "unilateral" or "in contradiction to the laws of the previous mother state". Practically half of the European states have been created on that principle. There are only rare cases, such as the split up of Czechoslovakia where this happened peacefully, but that requires logical thinking on both sides. Serbs don't think logical when it comes to Kosovo because religious and nationalistic voices dominate, but this on a side note.

Kosovo declared independence and it is now up to other states to recognize it or not. Apparently, more and more are doing this and it is only a matter of time, until even in Belgrade it cannot be denied any more.

A FREE and independent SCOTLAND WILL PREVAIL.....and they didn't even have to pay the Clintons campaign millions in Albania drug money to do so.....
F R E E S C O T L A N D ! !

MAMA, Your son is soon to be home.......Sean!

Well said Vuk. The only way to bring back law & order to Kosovo is to bring back Serbian police & army.

No more lies from America and no more lies from Albanians.

The Serbian people are the real victims in Kosovo. Look at the refugees. They are not Albanians. Albanians have 90% or more population. You guys got what you want because of propaganda and lies.

Times are a changin'

See you in Kosovo :)

so... an albanian "journalist" posed that stupid question, right? =)

...all thos ineffective attempts of the Touchy-regime down there in southern Serbia, those letters to the european union members not to grant candidate-status, or now these "independent" journalists with oh so stupid questions...

they do not seem to get it.

it seems that there is only one language that those extremists do understand...

and sooner or later, Mr.Tadic will be gone, so better men can take over...

just a question of time...

"You cannot change borders of internationally recognized countries as you choose, using unilateral means. The rules of the international community and international law dictate the ways to create a state, and what ethnic Albanians and the local leadership of our southern province Kosovo and Metohija did on February 17 (2008) is not how a state can be created," –Jeremiq.
So many things are wrong with this statement; I don’t even know where to begin, but I’ll try:
“The rules of the international community and international law dictate the ways to create a state,…” Yes, they do and ICJ, which represents the international community agreed with this declaration of independence. Therefore, no international rules or laws were broken, including your favorite SCR 1244. In addition, the rules of the international community also state that you should treat the people in your country like humans and not kill them and try to ethnically cleanse them.
“using unilateral means.” Kosovo’s declaration of independence in 2008 was not unilateral; it was actually a coordinated process with many, many countries. This declaration of independence was a result of a long long process of negotiations and processes. If our 2008 declaration of independence was unilateral it would not have been any different than our declaration of independence in the early 90ties when only Albania recognized us.
“…southern province Kosovo and Metohija…” I thought you just agreed that Kosovo should be represented with the name ‘Kosovo*’? What’s up with the ‘Metohija part? Just get over it.
“…and what ethnic Albanians…” although the majority of the representatives that declared the independence in 2008 were ethnic Albanians, all the minority groups with the exception of the serbs, were represented on that day. Therefore, it was the Kosovo representatives that declared the independence.

Guess who's not an eu candidate? albania

Guess who's not an eu candidate, not a UN member and can't participate in the Olympics? kosovo

"The reasons must meet a very high standard in order to justify a country's recognition. So far close to 90 countries have felt that Kosovo has met that level and is justified. "
(a New Day, 1 March 2012 19:11)

What should these 'high standards' in Kosovo be? Wasting donor money for corrupt clans? Ethnically motivated crimes? Manipulated elections? Being the main drug hub in Europe? A prime minister with a very doubtful past? A clan based society that isn't ripe for any democratic standards?

Key word here is "wanted"
(Danilo, 1 March 2012 20:10)

Well the Palestinians, Tamils, West Papuans, Karen, Kurds, Somaliland, Abkhaz, South Ossetians "want" their independence. That's just a start.

""You cannot change borders of internationally recognized countries as you choose, using unilateral means. The rules of the international community and international law dictate the ways to create a state, and what ethnic Albanians and the local leadership of our southern province Kosovo and Metohija did on February 17 (2008) is not how a state can be created," he said."


Hmm, so according to Vuk you cannot change borders of internationally recognized countries as you choose, using unilateral means. The rules of the international community and international law dictate the ways to create a state, and what ethnic Serbs and the local leadership of Ottoman Empire's province of Serbia did in the 19th century is not how a state can be created.

and sooner or later, Mr.Tadic will be gone, so better men can take over...

just a question of time...
(Jovan, 2 March 2012 01:59)

Yes, of course Jovan, back to the Stone Age with Fred Flintstone.

What should these 'high standards' in Kosovo be? Wasting donor money for corrupt clans? Ethnically motivated crimes? Manipulated elections? Being the main drug hub in Europe? A prime minister with a very doubtful past? A clan based society that isn't ripe for any democratic standards?
(Comm. Parrisson, 2 March 2012 09:15)
Maybe they are looking at Kosovo through non-Serb eyes. You would be amazed what you see when you take the ultranationalist blinders off!
However high standards was not the phrase I was really meaning, I believe that countries recognize not so much because they think Kosovo has earned it as much as that indpendence is the only viable option the people have. Could you honestly say in your heart that there are not a huge number of Serbs that are to this day anxiously waiting for the time that they can one day rid Kosovo of its Albanian population? Possibly you?

"Could you honestly say in your heart that there are not a huge number of Serbs that are to this day anxiously waiting for the time that they can one day rid Kosovo of its Albanian population? "
(a New Day, 2 March 2012 14:09)

This number (percentage) is probably on the same level than the percentage of Kosovo Albanians who want to get rid of Serbian population (not much left of them in most parts of Kosovo, anyway).

so... an albanian "journalist" posed that stupid question, right? =)

...all thos ineffective attempts of the Touchy-regime down there in southern Serbia, those letters to the european union members not to grant candidate-status, or now these "independent" journalists with oh so stupid questions...

they do not seem to get it.

it seems that there is only one language that those extremists do understand...

and sooner or later, Mr.Tadic will be gone, so better men can take over...

just a question of time...
(Jovan, 2 March 2012 01:59)

And what Jovan, if someone else takes over? Do you actually think that People in Serbia care about Kosovo anymore, Who will have the energy to organise the serb army to even think of being involved in any quarrels? Dont you ever see the comments on the Serbian version of B92,The times for the serb nationalism are over, Cedo Jovanovic and people like him is what serbia needs right now.
Serbs want I Phones, Audis like everyone else, and a better life , not BS that Jeremic and Dacic sell to gain for their votes

This number (percentage) is probably on the same level than the percentage of Kosovo Albanians who want to get rid of Serbian population (not much left of them in most parts of Kosovo, anyway).
(Comm. Parrisson, 2 March 2012 20:27)

Exactly, that's why Serbia has lost Kosovo and Kosovo has lost Serbia.