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Tuesday, 28.02.2012.

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EU ministers recommend making Serbia candidate

European Union foreign ministers decided on Monday, after more than six hours of debate, to recommend to the European Council to grant Serbia candidate status.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

"Also today in Brussels, the EU countries that have not recognized the Kosovo Albanian unilateral declaration of independence - "Spain and Cyprus above all" - made it clear they were against the EC proposal to produce the Stabilization and Association Agreement feasibility study for Kosovo, as has been demanded by some member-states"

Here's again the biased B92 reporting... So what was the conclusion ?

"As regards Kosovo* the Council recalls its conclusions of 5 December 2011. Without prejudice to Member States' position on status, or any future decisions to be taken by the Council, the Council takes note of the intention of the Commission to launch a feasibility study for a Stabilisation and Association Agreement between the European Union and Kosovo."

So, in summary, Spain and Cyprus made some cheap talk, but when it came to actions, they did not block the Commission from going ahead LOL

mick

pre 12 godina

(a little of topic)
Serbs and Romanians are in fact the same people also other neighbours like Bulgarians and Hungarians/Ukrainians. The only difference is in our language.

The first Bulgarian Balkan empire was present in today's Wallachia (Romania)which is why you can still find many Slavic Toponyms.
Also interesting is that Serbian and Ukrainian Flags were used at the unification of Wallachia and Moldavia.

Only now our languages are different, genetically and culturally and religiously (Christian) we are the same.

Even today there are many Vlach(Latin) speakers throughout the Balkans and Ukraine and Slavic speakers in Romania. In Romania dominated the Vlach(Latin) language and in other parts the Slavic and Hungarian languages.


P.S. the Byzantine empire's official name was "Romania" and it's inhabitants Romans (Now we know that it was in fact a multi ethnic empire)

Perhaps Austrian and Hungarian politics let to this division, because: according to their census you belonged to the nationality based on the language that you speak/use the most.(if not for their politics and the Ottoman empire maybe we would be closer? who knows :)

Do not let one language divide us :)

Observer

pre 12 godina

Folks... All those conspiracy theories again about some hidden agendas and some people in the EU who were just waiting to insult Serbia...

Those people who decide on the candidate status are highly professional and rational negotiators. What you see right now is how policy making in the EU functions very often. You start to make a certain topic a big issue, so the other side has to give in that you drop it.
The motives of the EU states are highly rational if you dig a bit deeper or if you try to think from the perspective of the certain country. They want Serbia in the boat a) for economic reasons: (still) cheap labour (brings employment to Serbia) and a growing market to export to (especially Germany, but all others as well); only a rich, stable and prosperous country can buy their products.
All those slavery theories... Seriously, its a take and give. The EU countries derive most of their wealth from exports, without exports there is also no wealth, no wealth in Serbia, no exports. Simple economics. b) for political reasons: nobody wants another war or conflicts in Europe, this is the reason why the Coal and Steel Community was created which led to the EU. To establish a stable and well functioning democratic system in Serbia, because real democracies never attack each other.
Of course they were blocking the candidate status last time. Something had to happen between Belgrade and Pristina and it did. There are already enough problems in the EU, nobody wants some sort of "Cold War"-area in the EU. I think the member states don't really care if Kosovo belongs to Serbia or not, as long as there is a compromise both sides can live with each other. Either as a self-governed part of Serbia, split from Serbia or whatever. Who cares from the outside as long as both sides do not attack each other and cause further problems. That was practicably the message. Settle your things and then we move on.
The case of Vlachs/Romanians: The candidate status is not membership and a lot more will need to change in Serbia before accession. Including the enforcement of proper minority rights. This will happen faster, if those who are pro-EU get new motivation through the candidate status.
The previously mentioned argument by somebody else, that Romania wants to show some power because of the Schengen issue seems to be by far more comprehensible for me. It is sad that this happens at the expense of the Serbs, but I'm sure they will let the issue fall in the last moment. As far as I got it they are really, really angry about this issue (Schengen - and I can totally understand them) and they were even blocking Dutch imports or something like that... Apart from that I'm sure they don't want to be the black sheep, since they have, as many said here, good relations with Serbia. After following the comments after Germany blocked the candidate status last time they surely don't want to have this role as a neighbouring country. ^^
I know some don't want to hear it, but good luck and I hope for green light from the EU! It is time to move on.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

I believe Romania's action has nothing to do with the Vlachs or Serbs. Currently the Netherlands is alone opposing Romania's entrance in Schengen. Romania wants to show they can do the same, probaly they will play it like "we withdraw our objection if Netherlands withdraw theirs". It's a simple game.
(Das, 28 February 2012 18:41)

It would make sense if Serbia were Netherlands' ally.

I believe Germans "punish" Serbia through Romania for remaining barricades in northern Kosovo build by KSerbs whom Germans consider separatists (!!!), encouraged by Seebia. So this is Germany behavior pattern "if Serbia encourages N.KSerbian 'separatist'" in "independent Kosovo", we the Germans, will provoce Vlach problems in Serbia through Romania.

Actually I hate Germany now, I didn't feel anything like that before...

sinisa

pre 12 godina

@Bahri

How do you expect anyone to take you seriously, first of all you don't know how to turn off your cap lock, and your spelling of English is at a level of a junior kindergarten south-Korean child. Lets put that aside for a moment, why don't you enlighten us on why Albania isn't even considered when it comes to the EU? What have the Albanians ever given Europe, better yet the word besides crime, drug smuggling, organ harvesting and pizza shops? You're the most useless Europeans and arguably most useless civilization on the planet, as you've giving nothing back to the world in terms of innovation, science, mathematics, literature, art ect.. if it wasn't for the geo-political location of Kosovo you people would be swimming the Adriatic back to south Sicily/North Africa where you came from. Bahri you are a troll. Have a nice day :)

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

ROMANIA is a model in EU for how WE treat minorities , Serbs including.We ROMANIANS have built and Holocaust Memorial in Bucharest!!!!!, for jews and gypsies!!!!WHERE IS DISCRIMINATION against jews and gypsies in ROMANIA????As well party of the Hungarian minority(5% official census 2011 from total population) named udmr it was and it's in various Romanian
governments from 1996 till now.
Serbs are our neighbors...so please, if you want to be respected, you need to respect others, ESPECIALLY Romanian minority from Serbia with the SAME CHRISTIANITY ORTHODOX FAITH-example: demolition of the Romanian Orthodox Church in Malainita, Timoc etc, etc, etc. Perhaps the former 130 Romanian gendarmes from KFOR in Kosovo must not interfere, when some albanians destroy Christian Orthodox churches -UNESCO monuments from Kosovo and Metohia??? But they save the churches and the civil population regarding with muslim albanians hordes bloodthirsty Christian;we Romanians want just reciprocity, equal treatment to Romanian minority in Timoc as well in Vojvodina, for example.And ROMANIA when he became an EU candidate country in 1999 made ​​a lot of sacrifices and compromises that meet standards integration,treatment of minorities(9,5% of total population)included...we entered in "the club" in 2007.
About the entry of Serbia in EU, that accession would normally be judged on the same terms of the eventual accession of Croatia in 2013-who needs the vote in 27 EU Parliaments as well as he favorable outcome in referendums in ALL 27 EU COUNTRIES!!!JIVELI from your's last sincere friend in this area, WHO NEVER WANTED YOUR EARTH !

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"DO NOT LET SERBIA JOING EU IF CRIMINAL STATE SERBIA JOING EU EVERY STATE IN THE WORLD SHOULD JOING EU NO QUESTION TO ASK SINCE 90S TO 1999 SERBIA MURDER THOUSAND INECENE PEOPLE IN CROATION,BOSNIA,KOSOVA. NO EU FOR CRIMINALS PLEASE."

Bahri

Imagine that the EU would rather have criminal, murdeous serbs then peaceloving albanians. Doesn't that make you think?

Mihai

pre 12 godina

Michael Tomas asked if some Nato loving Romanian will explain what is our problem with what's going on in the Timok.

I don't love NATO or the EU, but I'll try to explain. But first, I have to partially disagree with you: Romania doesn't always do what it's told, by Germany at least. Don't forget the pressures to recognize Kosovo, but we still don't do it. As for the NATO bombings in the past, the population WAS TOTALLY AGAINST IT. President Constantinescu droped to zero after that and disapeared from politics.

But let's go back to the Timok. There are 2 kinds of romanians: one part that is willing to declare themselves "vlachs", just as the serbian state wants, for obvius reasons: advantages, pressure from the serbs authorities, out of fear for their families. One exemple is Radisa Dragojevic( "prezident of the vlach council"), member of the SPS party.One of her first decisions was to change the directive of the coucil, which stated that the language of the "vlach" people was romanian. Obviously, she decided that it's the "vlach" language. Shortly after this, the serbian state introduced the "vlach" alphabet...

The other part of the romanian comunity demands that their children should be able to study at least two hours A WEEK in their romanian language and Church Services in their maternal languages. Nothing more. Romanians who "dared" to call themselves this way are being threatened, their houses have been atacked, people are being intimidated. Even the Romanian priest - Ortodox, just like you serbs - has been harrased. The mayor of Jankov Most, Viorel Besu, has been the victim of an armed attack. And so on...

No romanian wants to create a new Kosovo, or break away from Serbia. Just the right to speak their language and pray in their Church. By the way, the creation of a new name for romanians in not new. The soviets created the "moldovan" nation in order to make justify the agression towards Bessarabia( Republic of Moldova) in 1940.

Peace!

Bahri

pre 12 godina

DO NOT LET SERBIA JOING EU IF CRIMINAL STATE SERBIA JOING EU EVERY STATE IN THE WORLD SHOULD JOING EU NO QUESTION TO ASK SINCE 90S TO 1999 SERBIA MURDER THOUSAND INECENE PEOPLE IN CROATION,BOSNIA,KOSOVA. NO EU FOR CRIMINALS PLEASE.

Das

pre 12 godina

I believe Romania's action has nothing to do with the Vlachs or Serbs. Currently the Netherlands is alone opposing Romania's entrance in Schengen. Romania wants to show they can do the same, probaly they will play it like "we withdraw our objection if Netherlands withdraw theirs". It's a simple game.

Berk.

pre 12 godina

Those "evil, evil, evil, ultraevil Germans", who tease those "poor, poor, ultra poor Serbs", now even using the Romanians.. ...man is this evil.

Matei (Romania)

pre 12 godina

There have been reports of not-exactly-cool-things in the Timok valley in the past. I don't for a minute believe Romania will block Serbia, mostly because Romanian serbs will be better off INSIDE the EU in the first place. Just rattling some teeth.

Mihai

pre 12 godina

@Nik said:

"Some 15 years ago then Romanian president Iliescu made a scandalous remarque that Romania had only two good neighbors: Serbia and the Black Sea. Now it acts as an obstacle to Serbia’s Euro-integration. How did it come to this? The Vlachs are among the few minorities in Serbia that never had any real grievances. Many of them even hate being called Vlach, much less “Romanians” (collective mane proposed in the 19th century for the various groups speaking several vernacular Latin languages all over the Balkans). To claim there is a Romanian minority in Serbia is the same as to claim there is a “Yugoslav” minority in Romania"

This is just tipical stupidity that lead to the wars in the past. The Romanians in the Timok are just that: Romanians. "Vlach" is a name that was given to Romanians by foreigners. The "Vlachs" speak the romanian language, go to the Ortodhox Church and have romanian names. Thank God for facebook, we have reunited with our fellow romanians over there, who have a romanian flag in their home, and they tell what's going on in the Serbian Timok.

"Romanian" is a name that has been our for a long time now, even before de 19th century, in it's old form "ruman" or "roman". It's true, it derives from ROMANIA, the name given for THE EASTERN ROMAN COUNTRIES. But aside from us, no-one kept it. So, yes, there is a romanian minority in Serbia. They don't want to break away from Serbia, they just want to tell their children where their parrents came, in their language.

This "vlach" minority is just a silly episode, by which Serbia is trying to escape responsability for them, as there's no VLACH COUNTRY to answer to. Serbs in Romania have all the rights: includind school in their own language and bi-lingual names.

Anyway, if you don't get into the EU because of us, we'll do you a favor!

Michael Thomas

pre 12 godina

“Serbia and Romania have a long tradition of friendly relations, but the remarks that were presented today are unjustified, Tadić underlined.”

Romania is a German vassal state and will do as it is told. In 1999 it allowed NATO to use its territory and airbases to murder Serbian civilians. Today it is only doing the bidding of others.

Perhaps the Germans don’t want Serbia in the EU and are using its Romanian puppets to scupper Serbia’s bid for membership.

I have met some of Serbia’s Romanians, and they seemed happy enough. They maintained their Romanian language and cultural identity and were also fully integrated into Serbian society.

Perhaps some of the NATO-loving Romanians on this board could explain the concerns of the Vlachs.

By the way, for what it’s worth, I agree with Zoran; long may the Romanians block Serbia’s entry into the EU Gulag.

???

pre 12 godina

Probably Romania is under German pressure.
(aaayyy, 28 February 2012 15:40)

It is obvious they are. The germans are hoping to cause a rift between Serbia and Romania and hopes Serbia overreacts which causes Romania to recognize the theft of Serbian land.

friends_with_benefits

pre 12 godina

Serbia and Romania have a long tradition of friendly relations, but the remarks that were presented today are unjustified, Tadić underlined.
Believe me Mr Tadic,You don't have lots of friends out there.Most of countries that you think are your friends( incl.Russia and China)they loking for their own interest and they don't care about you.Looks like Romania (your friend)is going to claim a part of serbian land.

nik

pre 12 godina

Some 15 years ago then Romanian president Iliescu made a scandalous remarque that Romania had only two good neighbors: Serbia and the Black Sea. Now it acts as an obstacle to Serbia’s Euro-integration. How did it come to this? The Vlachs are among the few minorities in Serbia that never had any real grievances. Many of them even hate being called Vlach, much less “Romanians” (collective mane proposed in the 19th century for the various groups speaking several vernacular Latin languages all over the Balkans). To claim there is a Romanian minority in Serbia is the same as to claim there is a “Yugoslav” minority in Romania.
Apparently the reason for Romania’s stand is not some alleged mistreatment of the Serbian Vlachs. What is it then? Apparently Romania wants to delay Serbia’s adhesion to the EU. Thus it could divert the main traffic from Western Europe to Turkey via its territory. Till recently it hoped to divert it all the way to Bucharest and indeed to Constanta. Only when Serbia started the construction of the freeway from Nis towards the Bulgarian border, the Romanians acquiesced to the construction of the bridge on the Danube at Vidin-Calafat, but the construction of the freeway connecting it with Hungary has not yet started. Romanians tried an ingenious way to delay the Serbian Euro Integration. It was among the six “friends” of Serbia who did not recognize Kosovo, thus encouraging the latter to engage in an unwinnable conflict. Perhaps Romania even expected the Serbian fall apart to continue until a question of a Vlach “Krajna” could be posed! The delay of the solution of the Kosovo conflict revealed an important principle. A country that engages in long frozen conflicts is vulnerable to other demands from where they least expected it! Unless Serbia finds a quick solution of the Kosovo conflict and gets on the fast track of the European integration… all minorities in Serbia may be encouraged to demand what the Kosovo Serbs do!

Seon

pre 12 godina

I do understand the Romanians..
Deep down they know that Serbia Is not ready for EU..

They always pretendet that they are friends with Serbia and finally something that really got to do with Romania regarding Serbia they showed the real relationship.. Al false.. ;-(
I wonder why..?!!

nik

pre 12 godina

Some 15 years ago then Romanian president Iliescu made a scandalous remarque that Romania had only two good neighbors: Serbia and the Black Sea. Now it acts as an obstacle to Serbia’s Euro-integration. How did it come to this? The Vlachs are among the few minorities in Serbia that never had any real grievances. Many of them even hate being called Vlach, much less “Romanians” (collective mane proposed in the 19th century for the various groups speaking several vernacular Latin languages all over the Balkans). To claim there is a Romanian minority in Serbia is the same as to claim there is a “Yugoslav” minority in Romania.
Apparently the reason for Romania’s stand is not some alleged mistreatment of the Serbian Vlachs. What is it then? Apparently Romania wants to delay Serbia’s adhesion to the EU. Thus it could divert the main traffic from Western Europe to Turkey via its territory. Till recently it hoped to divert it all the way to Bucharest and indeed to Constanta. Only when Serbia started the construction of the freeway from Nis towards the Bulgarian border, the Romanians acquiesced to the construction of the bridge on the Danube at Vidin-Calafat, but the construction of the freeway connecting it with Hungary has not yet started. Romanians tried an ingenious way to delay the Serbian Euro Integration. It was among the six “friends” of Serbia who did not recognize Kosovo, thus encouraging the latter to engage in an unwinnable conflict. Perhaps Romania even expected the Serbian fall apart to continue until a question of a Vlach “Krajna” could be posed! The delay of the solution of the Kosovo conflict revealed an important principle. A country that engages in long frozen conflicts is vulnerable to other demands from where they least expected it! Unless Serbia finds a quick solution of the Kosovo conflict and gets on the fast track of the European integration… all minorities in Serbia may be encouraged to demand what the Kosovo Serbs do!

friends_with_benefits

pre 12 godina

Serbia and Romania have a long tradition of friendly relations, but the remarks that were presented today are unjustified, Tadić underlined.
Believe me Mr Tadic,You don't have lots of friends out there.Most of countries that you think are your friends( incl.Russia and China)they loking for their own interest and they don't care about you.Looks like Romania (your friend)is going to claim a part of serbian land.

Seon

pre 12 godina

I do understand the Romanians..
Deep down they know that Serbia Is not ready for EU..

They always pretendet that they are friends with Serbia and finally something that really got to do with Romania regarding Serbia they showed the real relationship.. Al false.. ;-(
I wonder why..?!!

Berk.

pre 12 godina

Those "evil, evil, evil, ultraevil Germans", who tease those "poor, poor, ultra poor Serbs", now even using the Romanians.. ...man is this evil.

Mihai

pre 12 godina

@Nik said:

"Some 15 years ago then Romanian president Iliescu made a scandalous remarque that Romania had only two good neighbors: Serbia and the Black Sea. Now it acts as an obstacle to Serbia’s Euro-integration. How did it come to this? The Vlachs are among the few minorities in Serbia that never had any real grievances. Many of them even hate being called Vlach, much less “Romanians” (collective mane proposed in the 19th century for the various groups speaking several vernacular Latin languages all over the Balkans). To claim there is a Romanian minority in Serbia is the same as to claim there is a “Yugoslav” minority in Romania"

This is just tipical stupidity that lead to the wars in the past. The Romanians in the Timok are just that: Romanians. "Vlach" is a name that was given to Romanians by foreigners. The "Vlachs" speak the romanian language, go to the Ortodhox Church and have romanian names. Thank God for facebook, we have reunited with our fellow romanians over there, who have a romanian flag in their home, and they tell what's going on in the Serbian Timok.

"Romanian" is a name that has been our for a long time now, even before de 19th century, in it's old form "ruman" or "roman". It's true, it derives from ROMANIA, the name given for THE EASTERN ROMAN COUNTRIES. But aside from us, no-one kept it. So, yes, there is a romanian minority in Serbia. They don't want to break away from Serbia, they just want to tell their children where their parrents came, in their language.

This "vlach" minority is just a silly episode, by which Serbia is trying to escape responsability for them, as there's no VLACH COUNTRY to answer to. Serbs in Romania have all the rights: includind school in their own language and bi-lingual names.

Anyway, if you don't get into the EU because of us, we'll do you a favor!

???

pre 12 godina

Probably Romania is under German pressure.
(aaayyy, 28 February 2012 15:40)

It is obvious they are. The germans are hoping to cause a rift between Serbia and Romania and hopes Serbia overreacts which causes Romania to recognize the theft of Serbian land.

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

ROMANIA is a model in EU for how WE treat minorities , Serbs including.We ROMANIANS have built and Holocaust Memorial in Bucharest!!!!!, for jews and gypsies!!!!WHERE IS DISCRIMINATION against jews and gypsies in ROMANIA????As well party of the Hungarian minority(5% official census 2011 from total population) named udmr it was and it's in various Romanian
governments from 1996 till now.
Serbs are our neighbors...so please, if you want to be respected, you need to respect others, ESPECIALLY Romanian minority from Serbia with the SAME CHRISTIANITY ORTHODOX FAITH-example: demolition of the Romanian Orthodox Church in Malainita, Timoc etc, etc, etc. Perhaps the former 130 Romanian gendarmes from KFOR in Kosovo must not interfere, when some albanians destroy Christian Orthodox churches -UNESCO monuments from Kosovo and Metohia??? But they save the churches and the civil population regarding with muslim albanians hordes bloodthirsty Christian;we Romanians want just reciprocity, equal treatment to Romanian minority in Timoc as well in Vojvodina, for example.And ROMANIA when he became an EU candidate country in 1999 made ​​a lot of sacrifices and compromises that meet standards integration,treatment of minorities(9,5% of total population)included...we entered in "the club" in 2007.
About the entry of Serbia in EU, that accession would normally be judged on the same terms of the eventual accession of Croatia in 2013-who needs the vote in 27 EU Parliaments as well as he favorable outcome in referendums in ALL 27 EU COUNTRIES!!!JIVELI from your's last sincere friend in this area, WHO NEVER WANTED YOUR EARTH !

Michael Thomas

pre 12 godina

“Serbia and Romania have a long tradition of friendly relations, but the remarks that were presented today are unjustified, Tadić underlined.”

Romania is a German vassal state and will do as it is told. In 1999 it allowed NATO to use its territory and airbases to murder Serbian civilians. Today it is only doing the bidding of others.

Perhaps the Germans don’t want Serbia in the EU and are using its Romanian puppets to scupper Serbia’s bid for membership.

I have met some of Serbia’s Romanians, and they seemed happy enough. They maintained their Romanian language and cultural identity and were also fully integrated into Serbian society.

Perhaps some of the NATO-loving Romanians on this board could explain the concerns of the Vlachs.

By the way, for what it’s worth, I agree with Zoran; long may the Romanians block Serbia’s entry into the EU Gulag.

Das

pre 12 godina

I believe Romania's action has nothing to do with the Vlachs or Serbs. Currently the Netherlands is alone opposing Romania's entrance in Schengen. Romania wants to show they can do the same, probaly they will play it like "we withdraw our objection if Netherlands withdraw theirs". It's a simple game.

Mihai

pre 12 godina

Michael Tomas asked if some Nato loving Romanian will explain what is our problem with what's going on in the Timok.

I don't love NATO or the EU, but I'll try to explain. But first, I have to partially disagree with you: Romania doesn't always do what it's told, by Germany at least. Don't forget the pressures to recognize Kosovo, but we still don't do it. As for the NATO bombings in the past, the population WAS TOTALLY AGAINST IT. President Constantinescu droped to zero after that and disapeared from politics.

But let's go back to the Timok. There are 2 kinds of romanians: one part that is willing to declare themselves "vlachs", just as the serbian state wants, for obvius reasons: advantages, pressure from the serbs authorities, out of fear for their families. One exemple is Radisa Dragojevic( "prezident of the vlach council"), member of the SPS party.One of her first decisions was to change the directive of the coucil, which stated that the language of the "vlach" people was romanian. Obviously, she decided that it's the "vlach" language. Shortly after this, the serbian state introduced the "vlach" alphabet...

The other part of the romanian comunity demands that their children should be able to study at least two hours A WEEK in their romanian language and Church Services in their maternal languages. Nothing more. Romanians who "dared" to call themselves this way are being threatened, their houses have been atacked, people are being intimidated. Even the Romanian priest - Ortodox, just like you serbs - has been harrased. The mayor of Jankov Most, Viorel Besu, has been the victim of an armed attack. And so on...

No romanian wants to create a new Kosovo, or break away from Serbia. Just the right to speak their language and pray in their Church. By the way, the creation of a new name for romanians in not new. The soviets created the "moldovan" nation in order to make justify the agression towards Bessarabia( Republic of Moldova) in 1940.

Peace!

sinisa

pre 12 godina

@Bahri

How do you expect anyone to take you seriously, first of all you don't know how to turn off your cap lock, and your spelling of English is at a level of a junior kindergarten south-Korean child. Lets put that aside for a moment, why don't you enlighten us on why Albania isn't even considered when it comes to the EU? What have the Albanians ever given Europe, better yet the word besides crime, drug smuggling, organ harvesting and pizza shops? You're the most useless Europeans and arguably most useless civilization on the planet, as you've giving nothing back to the world in terms of innovation, science, mathematics, literature, art ect.. if it wasn't for the geo-political location of Kosovo you people would be swimming the Adriatic back to south Sicily/North Africa where you came from. Bahri you are a troll. Have a nice day :)

Bahri

pre 12 godina

DO NOT LET SERBIA JOING EU IF CRIMINAL STATE SERBIA JOING EU EVERY STATE IN THE WORLD SHOULD JOING EU NO QUESTION TO ASK SINCE 90S TO 1999 SERBIA MURDER THOUSAND INECENE PEOPLE IN CROATION,BOSNIA,KOSOVA. NO EU FOR CRIMINALS PLEASE.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"DO NOT LET SERBIA JOING EU IF CRIMINAL STATE SERBIA JOING EU EVERY STATE IN THE WORLD SHOULD JOING EU NO QUESTION TO ASK SINCE 90S TO 1999 SERBIA MURDER THOUSAND INECENE PEOPLE IN CROATION,BOSNIA,KOSOVA. NO EU FOR CRIMINALS PLEASE."

Bahri

Imagine that the EU would rather have criminal, murdeous serbs then peaceloving albanians. Doesn't that make you think?

Matei (Romania)

pre 12 godina

There have been reports of not-exactly-cool-things in the Timok valley in the past. I don't for a minute believe Romania will block Serbia, mostly because Romanian serbs will be better off INSIDE the EU in the first place. Just rattling some teeth.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

I believe Romania's action has nothing to do with the Vlachs or Serbs. Currently the Netherlands is alone opposing Romania's entrance in Schengen. Romania wants to show they can do the same, probaly they will play it like "we withdraw our objection if Netherlands withdraw theirs". It's a simple game.
(Das, 28 February 2012 18:41)

It would make sense if Serbia were Netherlands' ally.

I believe Germans "punish" Serbia through Romania for remaining barricades in northern Kosovo build by KSerbs whom Germans consider separatists (!!!), encouraged by Seebia. So this is Germany behavior pattern "if Serbia encourages N.KSerbian 'separatist'" in "independent Kosovo", we the Germans, will provoce Vlach problems in Serbia through Romania.

Actually I hate Germany now, I didn't feel anything like that before...

Observer

pre 12 godina

Folks... All those conspiracy theories again about some hidden agendas and some people in the EU who were just waiting to insult Serbia...

Those people who decide on the candidate status are highly professional and rational negotiators. What you see right now is how policy making in the EU functions very often. You start to make a certain topic a big issue, so the other side has to give in that you drop it.
The motives of the EU states are highly rational if you dig a bit deeper or if you try to think from the perspective of the certain country. They want Serbia in the boat a) for economic reasons: (still) cheap labour (brings employment to Serbia) and a growing market to export to (especially Germany, but all others as well); only a rich, stable and prosperous country can buy their products.
All those slavery theories... Seriously, its a take and give. The EU countries derive most of their wealth from exports, without exports there is also no wealth, no wealth in Serbia, no exports. Simple economics. b) for political reasons: nobody wants another war or conflicts in Europe, this is the reason why the Coal and Steel Community was created which led to the EU. To establish a stable and well functioning democratic system in Serbia, because real democracies never attack each other.
Of course they were blocking the candidate status last time. Something had to happen between Belgrade and Pristina and it did. There are already enough problems in the EU, nobody wants some sort of "Cold War"-area in the EU. I think the member states don't really care if Kosovo belongs to Serbia or not, as long as there is a compromise both sides can live with each other. Either as a self-governed part of Serbia, split from Serbia or whatever. Who cares from the outside as long as both sides do not attack each other and cause further problems. That was practicably the message. Settle your things and then we move on.
The case of Vlachs/Romanians: The candidate status is not membership and a lot more will need to change in Serbia before accession. Including the enforcement of proper minority rights. This will happen faster, if those who are pro-EU get new motivation through the candidate status.
The previously mentioned argument by somebody else, that Romania wants to show some power because of the Schengen issue seems to be by far more comprehensible for me. It is sad that this happens at the expense of the Serbs, but I'm sure they will let the issue fall in the last moment. As far as I got it they are really, really angry about this issue (Schengen - and I can totally understand them) and they were even blocking Dutch imports or something like that... Apart from that I'm sure they don't want to be the black sheep, since they have, as many said here, good relations with Serbia. After following the comments after Germany blocked the candidate status last time they surely don't want to have this role as a neighbouring country. ^^
I know some don't want to hear it, but good luck and I hope for green light from the EU! It is time to move on.

mick

pre 12 godina

(a little of topic)
Serbs and Romanians are in fact the same people also other neighbours like Bulgarians and Hungarians/Ukrainians. The only difference is in our language.

The first Bulgarian Balkan empire was present in today's Wallachia (Romania)which is why you can still find many Slavic Toponyms.
Also interesting is that Serbian and Ukrainian Flags were used at the unification of Wallachia and Moldavia.

Only now our languages are different, genetically and culturally and religiously (Christian) we are the same.

Even today there are many Vlach(Latin) speakers throughout the Balkans and Ukraine and Slavic speakers in Romania. In Romania dominated the Vlach(Latin) language and in other parts the Slavic and Hungarian languages.


P.S. the Byzantine empire's official name was "Romania" and it's inhabitants Romans (Now we know that it was in fact a multi ethnic empire)

Perhaps Austrian and Hungarian politics let to this division, because: according to their census you belonged to the nationality based on the language that you speak/use the most.(if not for their politics and the Ottoman empire maybe we would be closer? who knows :)

Do not let one language divide us :)

icj1

pre 12 godina

"Also today in Brussels, the EU countries that have not recognized the Kosovo Albanian unilateral declaration of independence - "Spain and Cyprus above all" - made it clear they were against the EC proposal to produce the Stabilization and Association Agreement feasibility study for Kosovo, as has been demanded by some member-states"

Here's again the biased B92 reporting... So what was the conclusion ?

"As regards Kosovo* the Council recalls its conclusions of 5 December 2011. Without prejudice to Member States' position on status, or any future decisions to be taken by the Council, the Council takes note of the intention of the Commission to launch a feasibility study for a Stabilisation and Association Agreement between the European Union and Kosovo."

So, in summary, Spain and Cyprus made some cheap talk, but when it came to actions, they did not block the Commission from going ahead LOL

Bahri

pre 12 godina

DO NOT LET SERBIA JOING EU IF CRIMINAL STATE SERBIA JOING EU EVERY STATE IN THE WORLD SHOULD JOING EU NO QUESTION TO ASK SINCE 90S TO 1999 SERBIA MURDER THOUSAND INECENE PEOPLE IN CROATION,BOSNIA,KOSOVA. NO EU FOR CRIMINALS PLEASE.

???

pre 12 godina

Probably Romania is under German pressure.
(aaayyy, 28 February 2012 15:40)

It is obvious they are. The germans are hoping to cause a rift between Serbia and Romania and hopes Serbia overreacts which causes Romania to recognize the theft of Serbian land.

Michael Thomas

pre 12 godina

“Serbia and Romania have a long tradition of friendly relations, but the remarks that were presented today are unjustified, Tadić underlined.”

Romania is a German vassal state and will do as it is told. In 1999 it allowed NATO to use its territory and airbases to murder Serbian civilians. Today it is only doing the bidding of others.

Perhaps the Germans don’t want Serbia in the EU and are using its Romanian puppets to scupper Serbia’s bid for membership.

I have met some of Serbia’s Romanians, and they seemed happy enough. They maintained their Romanian language and cultural identity and were also fully integrated into Serbian society.

Perhaps some of the NATO-loving Romanians on this board could explain the concerns of the Vlachs.

By the way, for what it’s worth, I agree with Zoran; long may the Romanians block Serbia’s entry into the EU Gulag.

friends_with_benefits

pre 12 godina

Serbia and Romania have a long tradition of friendly relations, but the remarks that were presented today are unjustified, Tadić underlined.
Believe me Mr Tadic,You don't have lots of friends out there.Most of countries that you think are your friends( incl.Russia and China)they loking for their own interest and they don't care about you.Looks like Romania (your friend)is going to claim a part of serbian land.

Berk.

pre 12 godina

Those "evil, evil, evil, ultraevil Germans", who tease those "poor, poor, ultra poor Serbs", now even using the Romanians.. ...man is this evil.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"DO NOT LET SERBIA JOING EU IF CRIMINAL STATE SERBIA JOING EU EVERY STATE IN THE WORLD SHOULD JOING EU NO QUESTION TO ASK SINCE 90S TO 1999 SERBIA MURDER THOUSAND INECENE PEOPLE IN CROATION,BOSNIA,KOSOVA. NO EU FOR CRIMINALS PLEASE."

Bahri

Imagine that the EU would rather have criminal, murdeous serbs then peaceloving albanians. Doesn't that make you think?

nik

pre 12 godina

Some 15 years ago then Romanian president Iliescu made a scandalous remarque that Romania had only two good neighbors: Serbia and the Black Sea. Now it acts as an obstacle to Serbia’s Euro-integration. How did it come to this? The Vlachs are among the few minorities in Serbia that never had any real grievances. Many of them even hate being called Vlach, much less “Romanians” (collective mane proposed in the 19th century for the various groups speaking several vernacular Latin languages all over the Balkans). To claim there is a Romanian minority in Serbia is the same as to claim there is a “Yugoslav” minority in Romania.
Apparently the reason for Romania’s stand is not some alleged mistreatment of the Serbian Vlachs. What is it then? Apparently Romania wants to delay Serbia’s adhesion to the EU. Thus it could divert the main traffic from Western Europe to Turkey via its territory. Till recently it hoped to divert it all the way to Bucharest and indeed to Constanta. Only when Serbia started the construction of the freeway from Nis towards the Bulgarian border, the Romanians acquiesced to the construction of the bridge on the Danube at Vidin-Calafat, but the construction of the freeway connecting it with Hungary has not yet started. Romanians tried an ingenious way to delay the Serbian Euro Integration. It was among the six “friends” of Serbia who did not recognize Kosovo, thus encouraging the latter to engage in an unwinnable conflict. Perhaps Romania even expected the Serbian fall apart to continue until a question of a Vlach “Krajna” could be posed! The delay of the solution of the Kosovo conflict revealed an important principle. A country that engages in long frozen conflicts is vulnerable to other demands from where they least expected it! Unless Serbia finds a quick solution of the Kosovo conflict and gets on the fast track of the European integration… all minorities in Serbia may be encouraged to demand what the Kosovo Serbs do!

Seon

pre 12 godina

I do understand the Romanians..
Deep down they know that Serbia Is not ready for EU..

They always pretendet that they are friends with Serbia and finally something that really got to do with Romania regarding Serbia they showed the real relationship.. Al false.. ;-(
I wonder why..?!!

sinisa

pre 12 godina

@Bahri

How do you expect anyone to take you seriously, first of all you don't know how to turn off your cap lock, and your spelling of English is at a level of a junior kindergarten south-Korean child. Lets put that aside for a moment, why don't you enlighten us on why Albania isn't even considered when it comes to the EU? What have the Albanians ever given Europe, better yet the word besides crime, drug smuggling, organ harvesting and pizza shops? You're the most useless Europeans and arguably most useless civilization on the planet, as you've giving nothing back to the world in terms of innovation, science, mathematics, literature, art ect.. if it wasn't for the geo-political location of Kosovo you people would be swimming the Adriatic back to south Sicily/North Africa where you came from. Bahri you are a troll. Have a nice day :)

Mihai

pre 12 godina

@Nik said:

"Some 15 years ago then Romanian president Iliescu made a scandalous remarque that Romania had only two good neighbors: Serbia and the Black Sea. Now it acts as an obstacle to Serbia’s Euro-integration. How did it come to this? The Vlachs are among the few minorities in Serbia that never had any real grievances. Many of them even hate being called Vlach, much less “Romanians” (collective mane proposed in the 19th century for the various groups speaking several vernacular Latin languages all over the Balkans). To claim there is a Romanian minority in Serbia is the same as to claim there is a “Yugoslav” minority in Romania"

This is just tipical stupidity that lead to the wars in the past. The Romanians in the Timok are just that: Romanians. "Vlach" is a name that was given to Romanians by foreigners. The "Vlachs" speak the romanian language, go to the Ortodhox Church and have romanian names. Thank God for facebook, we have reunited with our fellow romanians over there, who have a romanian flag in their home, and they tell what's going on in the Serbian Timok.

"Romanian" is a name that has been our for a long time now, even before de 19th century, in it's old form "ruman" or "roman". It's true, it derives from ROMANIA, the name given for THE EASTERN ROMAN COUNTRIES. But aside from us, no-one kept it. So, yes, there is a romanian minority in Serbia. They don't want to break away from Serbia, they just want to tell their children where their parrents came, in their language.

This "vlach" minority is just a silly episode, by which Serbia is trying to escape responsability for them, as there's no VLACH COUNTRY to answer to. Serbs in Romania have all the rights: includind school in their own language and bi-lingual names.

Anyway, if you don't get into the EU because of us, we'll do you a favor!

Matei (Romania)

pre 12 godina

There have been reports of not-exactly-cool-things in the Timok valley in the past. I don't for a minute believe Romania will block Serbia, mostly because Romanian serbs will be better off INSIDE the EU in the first place. Just rattling some teeth.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

I believe Romania's action has nothing to do with the Vlachs or Serbs. Currently the Netherlands is alone opposing Romania's entrance in Schengen. Romania wants to show they can do the same, probaly they will play it like "we withdraw our objection if Netherlands withdraw theirs". It's a simple game.
(Das, 28 February 2012 18:41)

It would make sense if Serbia were Netherlands' ally.

I believe Germans "punish" Serbia through Romania for remaining barricades in northern Kosovo build by KSerbs whom Germans consider separatists (!!!), encouraged by Seebia. So this is Germany behavior pattern "if Serbia encourages N.KSerbian 'separatist'" in "independent Kosovo", we the Germans, will provoce Vlach problems in Serbia through Romania.

Actually I hate Germany now, I didn't feel anything like that before...

mick

pre 12 godina

(a little of topic)
Serbs and Romanians are in fact the same people also other neighbours like Bulgarians and Hungarians/Ukrainians. The only difference is in our language.

The first Bulgarian Balkan empire was present in today's Wallachia (Romania)which is why you can still find many Slavic Toponyms.
Also interesting is that Serbian and Ukrainian Flags were used at the unification of Wallachia and Moldavia.

Only now our languages are different, genetically and culturally and religiously (Christian) we are the same.

Even today there are many Vlach(Latin) speakers throughout the Balkans and Ukraine and Slavic speakers in Romania. In Romania dominated the Vlach(Latin) language and in other parts the Slavic and Hungarian languages.


P.S. the Byzantine empire's official name was "Romania" and it's inhabitants Romans (Now we know that it was in fact a multi ethnic empire)

Perhaps Austrian and Hungarian politics let to this division, because: according to their census you belonged to the nationality based on the language that you speak/use the most.(if not for their politics and the Ottoman empire maybe we would be closer? who knows :)

Do not let one language divide us :)

Das

pre 12 godina

I believe Romania's action has nothing to do with the Vlachs or Serbs. Currently the Netherlands is alone opposing Romania's entrance in Schengen. Romania wants to show they can do the same, probaly they will play it like "we withdraw our objection if Netherlands withdraw theirs". It's a simple game.

Mihai

pre 12 godina

Michael Tomas asked if some Nato loving Romanian will explain what is our problem with what's going on in the Timok.

I don't love NATO or the EU, but I'll try to explain. But first, I have to partially disagree with you: Romania doesn't always do what it's told, by Germany at least. Don't forget the pressures to recognize Kosovo, but we still don't do it. As for the NATO bombings in the past, the population WAS TOTALLY AGAINST IT. President Constantinescu droped to zero after that and disapeared from politics.

But let's go back to the Timok. There are 2 kinds of romanians: one part that is willing to declare themselves "vlachs", just as the serbian state wants, for obvius reasons: advantages, pressure from the serbs authorities, out of fear for their families. One exemple is Radisa Dragojevic( "prezident of the vlach council"), member of the SPS party.One of her first decisions was to change the directive of the coucil, which stated that the language of the "vlach" people was romanian. Obviously, she decided that it's the "vlach" language. Shortly after this, the serbian state introduced the "vlach" alphabet...

The other part of the romanian comunity demands that their children should be able to study at least two hours A WEEK in their romanian language and Church Services in their maternal languages. Nothing more. Romanians who "dared" to call themselves this way are being threatened, their houses have been atacked, people are being intimidated. Even the Romanian priest - Ortodox, just like you serbs - has been harrased. The mayor of Jankov Most, Viorel Besu, has been the victim of an armed attack. And so on...

No romanian wants to create a new Kosovo, or break away from Serbia. Just the right to speak their language and pray in their Church. By the way, the creation of a new name for romanians in not new. The soviets created the "moldovan" nation in order to make justify the agression towards Bessarabia( Republic of Moldova) in 1940.

Peace!

Romanian Warrior

pre 12 godina

ROMANIA is a model in EU for how WE treat minorities , Serbs including.We ROMANIANS have built and Holocaust Memorial in Bucharest!!!!!, for jews and gypsies!!!!WHERE IS DISCRIMINATION against jews and gypsies in ROMANIA????As well party of the Hungarian minority(5% official census 2011 from total population) named udmr it was and it's in various Romanian
governments from 1996 till now.
Serbs are our neighbors...so please, if you want to be respected, you need to respect others, ESPECIALLY Romanian minority from Serbia with the SAME CHRISTIANITY ORTHODOX FAITH-example: demolition of the Romanian Orthodox Church in Malainita, Timoc etc, etc, etc. Perhaps the former 130 Romanian gendarmes from KFOR in Kosovo must not interfere, when some albanians destroy Christian Orthodox churches -UNESCO monuments from Kosovo and Metohia??? But they save the churches and the civil population regarding with muslim albanians hordes bloodthirsty Christian;we Romanians want just reciprocity, equal treatment to Romanian minority in Timoc as well in Vojvodina, for example.And ROMANIA when he became an EU candidate country in 1999 made ​​a lot of sacrifices and compromises that meet standards integration,treatment of minorities(9,5% of total population)included...we entered in "the club" in 2007.
About the entry of Serbia in EU, that accession would normally be judged on the same terms of the eventual accession of Croatia in 2013-who needs the vote in 27 EU Parliaments as well as he favorable outcome in referendums in ALL 27 EU COUNTRIES!!!JIVELI from your's last sincere friend in this area, WHO NEVER WANTED YOUR EARTH !

icj1

pre 12 godina

"Also today in Brussels, the EU countries that have not recognized the Kosovo Albanian unilateral declaration of independence - "Spain and Cyprus above all" - made it clear they were against the EC proposal to produce the Stabilization and Association Agreement feasibility study for Kosovo, as has been demanded by some member-states"

Here's again the biased B92 reporting... So what was the conclusion ?

"As regards Kosovo* the Council recalls its conclusions of 5 December 2011. Without prejudice to Member States' position on status, or any future decisions to be taken by the Council, the Council takes note of the intention of the Commission to launch a feasibility study for a Stabilisation and Association Agreement between the European Union and Kosovo."

So, in summary, Spain and Cyprus made some cheap talk, but when it came to actions, they did not block the Commission from going ahead LOL

Observer

pre 12 godina

Folks... All those conspiracy theories again about some hidden agendas and some people in the EU who were just waiting to insult Serbia...

Those people who decide on the candidate status are highly professional and rational negotiators. What you see right now is how policy making in the EU functions very often. You start to make a certain topic a big issue, so the other side has to give in that you drop it.
The motives of the EU states are highly rational if you dig a bit deeper or if you try to think from the perspective of the certain country. They want Serbia in the boat a) for economic reasons: (still) cheap labour (brings employment to Serbia) and a growing market to export to (especially Germany, but all others as well); only a rich, stable and prosperous country can buy their products.
All those slavery theories... Seriously, its a take and give. The EU countries derive most of their wealth from exports, without exports there is also no wealth, no wealth in Serbia, no exports. Simple economics. b) for political reasons: nobody wants another war or conflicts in Europe, this is the reason why the Coal and Steel Community was created which led to the EU. To establish a stable and well functioning democratic system in Serbia, because real democracies never attack each other.
Of course they were blocking the candidate status last time. Something had to happen between Belgrade and Pristina and it did. There are already enough problems in the EU, nobody wants some sort of "Cold War"-area in the EU. I think the member states don't really care if Kosovo belongs to Serbia or not, as long as there is a compromise both sides can live with each other. Either as a self-governed part of Serbia, split from Serbia or whatever. Who cares from the outside as long as both sides do not attack each other and cause further problems. That was practicably the message. Settle your things and then we move on.
The case of Vlachs/Romanians: The candidate status is not membership and a lot more will need to change in Serbia before accession. Including the enforcement of proper minority rights. This will happen faster, if those who are pro-EU get new motivation through the candidate status.
The previously mentioned argument by somebody else, that Romania wants to show some power because of the Schengen issue seems to be by far more comprehensible for me. It is sad that this happens at the expense of the Serbs, but I'm sure they will let the issue fall in the last moment. As far as I got it they are really, really angry about this issue (Schengen - and I can totally understand them) and they were even blocking Dutch imports or something like that... Apart from that I'm sure they don't want to be the black sheep, since they have, as many said here, good relations with Serbia. After following the comments after Germany blocked the candidate status last time they surely don't want to have this role as a neighbouring country. ^^
I know some don't want to hear it, but good luck and I hope for green light from the EU! It is time to move on.