Tuesday, 28.02.2012.
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NATO launched its 1999 war against Serbia "because of German Defense Minister Rudolf Scharping's lies", claims a former member of an OSCE mission in Kosovo.
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such a poor judgmental world some serbs tend to live in ,denying well known video documents of kosovar deportation .I myself was a witness of deportation by serbian military forces and the whole damn city witnessed it .Such a waste .And I thought we would start over
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you are absolutely right, after my tour to KiM I understood that NATO had interveved on wrong side and there were some groups of people with whom only brutal force works. Albanians in Kosovo are among them because they 1) violence among themselves is a part of their culture , and they respect it 2) they are so much their supremacy driven nacionalists and live in their narrow-minded Illyrian dreams and collectively believe that this would "give" them the right to drive lawful owners - Serbs -away from their land. Reason for that may partly to lie with Islam - I have been in missions in many Oslamic countries and I can assure that there is no way to agree with them, again due to their fairy-tale book based "exclusivness", while with other denominations it is eventually possible...And lastly, you should not be afraid of me `cause KiM is not my home land but Serbs` one and it must be up to them how to proceed with that problem - I personally would not tolerate kleptocracy - but if they prefer to give their land. If a cuckoo places her egg in neighbour`s nest, that does not make her legitimate the owner of that nest, do you agre?
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oh no no trizo now i know. the whole thing apparently was a farce. in fact, all those Albanian old women and children and old men going to Macedonia and Albania, it turns out were paid $5 each to play the part in the game. we all know they were paid by the CIA. but, since the truth is now allegedly coming out, who's to say Milosevic wasn't part of the whole show? I mean, I have already constructed a plausible reason as to how that could so easily have been the case. i look forward to reading the REAL history of the Balkans, Serbian style. Srebrenica: myth. the siege of Sarajevo: myth. Kosova: myth. at this stage, WW2 will be relegated to the same status. and i thought i knew my history and could trust my own eyes
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Can anyone show me some proof that Milosevic killed or instructed to kill anyone in Kosovo? I do know however that the charges against Milosevic were dropped as there was no hard evidence or proof.
The thing about Albanians is they believe things so easily.
Serbians do not just believe the news straight away. They dig deeper and use more than one source.
For whichever civilians died during the war on either side I am sorry for. But you Albanians won't get away with your ridiculous accusations and magnified statistics.
Slowly but surely more people will understand the whole story of Kosovo and not just the last 15 minutes like you Albanians depict.
Your KLA will come into the spotlight more than ever before and NATO too.
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Don’t worry dear Serbs. The truth is coming out. And the truth has the quality to be only one. We Albanians have only one hope for our cause that truth comes out 100%. I know that Serbs will be last one to absorb the truth, but we are calm and we know that this is process. A lot of documents are coming in light since 1844.For the moment we are satisfied that free world has identified the truth of Balkan.
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"NATO launched its 1999 war against Serbia "because of German Defense Minister Rudolf Scharping's lies", claims a former member of an OSCE mission in Kosovo"
Let's assume it is so. And then what ?! It's already been proved beyond reasonable doubt by a Court set up by Russia, China and others that the actions of the Serbian army caused the displacement of hundreds of thousands of Kosovo inhhabitans in Spring of 1999. That alone is sufficient reason for NATO's action against Serbia.
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Yea the bodies of two year olds buried inside Serbia must have been that of KLA fighters. Serbia has been in a state of denial for 500 years. That is partly the fault of the west which instead of harshly punishing Serbia, it funds it's survival and invites it into the EU. Serbia needs an Iraq or Afganistan treatment so that they can for once stop denying the crimes they've commited. When u have the mainstream Serbs denying these crimes even though bodies of children are found in mass graves inside Serbia what can you expect about the variety of nuts showing here. Even considering total bias of foreign press in all the wars Serbia was involved throughout the whole decade one would have to lack the whole part of the brain that deals with reason or logic to even attempt to think about denying these thousands of crimes. As long as Serbia is in constant denial about the crimes it commited the whole Balkans is fvked.
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Dragan, 28 February 2012 22:02
What did Serbia lose? Have you heard of Srpska Republika??? That is called winning buddy. And have you heard lately that Serbia is no longer called Yugoslavia, and that it is FREE and INDEPENDENT? Have you heard of this, this is the biggest VICTORY in Serbian history.
That Serbs no longer have to be in one country with those who have always fought and lost with the oppressors.
So my friend if it makes you feel better at night to tell yourself that Serbia lost, please keep telling yourself that..
Meanwhile, everybody knows that Tudman, after 500,000 poor Christians were forced out of their land like dogs, he said "they didn't take their dirty underwear." This is what the Father of modern croatia will be remembered for...
You see, you croats, albanians, and muslim bosnians think you won but you did Serbia the biggest favor by showing everyone who you were and are after you got away with the almost complete extermination of Christian Serbs during WWI and WWII. Yugoslavia is dead. Serbs had been so brainwashed by tito that had the wars not happened Serbs would be extinct. But your bloodthirsty hate for Serbs actually made them Serbs again.
So for that every Serb thanks you all, Croat-nazis, mujahadeans, and the kidney and organ soldiers in Kosovo, thank you for all you hiring Ruder and Finn, thank you for siding with the oppressor again, thank you for showing who you are.
Serbia is now only Serbia. Free from you and the others.
You will never kill Serbia no matter how many PR firms you hire or how many countries you get to go to war for you against Serbia...
Long live the Royal Serbia.
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KOSOVO ALBANIANS, PLEASE GO BACK TO ALBANIA AND BUILD A WALL AROUND YOU AND SPARE EUROPEANS FROM YOUR BACKWARDENESS, OR CONVERT TO BUDDHISM OR SOME OTHER MORE HUMANE AND PROGRESSIVE RELIGION!!!
(exKFOR, 28 February 2012 18:34)
"my dear" exKFOR-
When one resorts to shouting it is clear that their emotions have taking over their rational and objective thinking. Narrow and shortminded views like your amount nothing more to prejudice toward a nation that you "aspired" to support!!!
Please do some more reading ( i mean objective reading and from objective sources) before you comment again and shopw your true projudice.
may your views take the path of understaning and) peace (god protect us form people like you with big guns in your hands)
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It is a shame that the locals could not keep at peace - if they had, NATO would have only been there as an invited friend.
(Bob, 28 February 2012 18:32)
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Bob, do you believe that Tudjman and Izetbegovic were any better than Milosevic? Really, it's a shame that Germany and the Vatican got involved and prematurely recognised the independence of Croatia and BiH before a peaceful settlement was negotiated.
I mean, how would you feel if one day you were living amongst your own people and the next day some Muslim fundamentalist or ultra nationalist Croatian wanted to rule you, especially after what happened to Serbians in WWII?
The fact is, nationalism engulfed the whole region and the West kept adding fuel to the fire. So yes, they made their fair share of mistakes but having the huge egos that they have, they thought it would be a good idea to blame Serbs for everything.
So a bit of truth and balance is a good thing. It helps with reconciliation.
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oh how terrible. lying to the public in order to get their support so they can join a war to save innocent people. grow up you kids!!!
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Truth is coming out little by little. And all you can do is deny. Pathetic!
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Dragan
You have truth on your side?! You have a wilful imagination.
However, I always said that Milosevic was a traitor to Serbia - it seems we agree on that. …but, apparently for totally different reasons. He was a traitor because of the crime and destruction he created spoiling lives for both Serbs and others and ruining the reputation of Serbia in the world by doing nothing to stop the murders in Bosnia.
As for the west making demarcations in Bosnia … if you think that continuing to allow the murder of women and children was a good thing then you are right to condemn the west for stamping on the fighting.
I agree - you don't have to apologise for Milosevic. He caused problems and lost in the end, so there was justice.
Shame that Serbia lost so much because of him…. and because of the nationalism that he exploited so successfully for a while to keep himself in power!
Boban - read more carefully; by the time of Rambouillet it was too late - Milosevic's invitation for intervention was made long before that when he allowed murder to be carried out in the name of Serbia. That killing need never have started - in those circumstances, NATO could have come as an invited friend.
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this video is the next lie of Serbia, which cannot accept the fact that Kosovo is not any more part of it. Sorry folks, but this is the truth.
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'if you think that continuing to allow the murder of women and children was a good thing then you are right to condemn the west for stamping on the fighting.'
I'm assuming this garbage is from you Bob, even though you used my name? Serbs never murdured women and children - this is another blatant lie. Where is your source for this claim?? I can tell you who DID murder women and children - Naser Oric, and Croat fascists in Medak Pocket (including helpless old people), and of course we have the albanian organ snatchers who outdid all of them. Basicaly, all the people the good ol' US of A and their German allies supported were doing these types of horrible attrocities.
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Dragan
You have truth on your side?! You have a wilful imagination.
However, I always said that Milosevic was a traitor to Serbia - it seems we agree on that. …but, apparently for totally different reasons. He was a traitor because of the crime and destruction he created spoiling lives for both Serbs and others and ruining the reputation of Serbia in the world by doing nothing to stop the murders in Bosnia.
As for the west making demarcations in Bosnia … if you think that continuing to allow the murder of women and children was a good thing then you are right to condemn the west for stamping on the fighting.
I agree - you don't have to apologise for Milosevic. He caused problems and lost in the end, so there was justice.
Shame that Serbia lost so much because of him…. and because of the nationalism that he exploited so successfully for a while to keep himself in power!
Boban - read more carefully; by the time of Ramboulett it was too late - Milosevic's invitation for intervention was made long before that when he allowed murder to be carried out in the name of Serbia. That killing need never have started - in THOSE circumstances, NATO would have come as a friend.
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Serb crimes are archived in all countries of the world. Rubbish try to protect innocence of the crime,it would be better to ask forgiveness directly,otherwise every other attempt will also deepen hatred for 5000 next years. Reality knows all states and are fed up with Serbian fabrications.
(drini., 28 February 2012 13:27)
Come on Drini, even you dont believe in that, you can always ask Suzana what she thinks.
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So what happens now? Rescinded recognitions? Return of Kosovo to Serbia? Trials for Clinton, Blair and Albright? Vindication of all Serbs branded as war criminals? If I were to bet on any of these things happening, my money would be on..."no".
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Since these sort of theories are readitly believed by some posters here, I wonder if you could perhaps tell me something, was Milosevic in on it too? I mean, think about it, this is now common knowledge right, so logically it means, Slobo was part of the whole show. He ordered the bombing of a few houses to give the KLA the chance to fake a few massecres, thus drawing NATO in. In turn, his family got wealth and a new life in Russia (Milosevic agreed to go on holiday in the Hague, ouf of his own accord, he isn't really dead, the deal was that his death would be faked). If you're easily taken in by this, what else do you believe? Roswell and Aliens?
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It is a shame that the locals could not keep at peace - if they had, NATO would have only been there as an invited friend.
(Bob, 28 February 2012 18:32)
"Invited friend" as written in Appendix B of Rambouillet Accords:
NATO personnel shall enjoy, together with their vehicles, vessels, aircraft, and equipment, free and unrestricted passage and unimpeded access throughout the FRY including associated airspace and territorial waters. This shall include, but not be limited to, the right of bivouac, maneuver, billet, and utilization of any areas or facilities as required for support, training, and operations".
Bob, this is much more than invited friend. Just imagine "invited friend" comes to your house, stays in your house as much as he wants, enters your bedroom when he wants, sees your wife naked and etc. And you can not do anything about it as he has full immunity.
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The victims are just virtual, because a German documentary says so.
The Hague should consider this as evidence...because a TV documentary said so...LOL
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Dragan
As an apologist for NATO (according to you) can I suggest that you consider apologising to Serbia for what Milosevic did to it?
Do apologise for Milosevic involving Serbia in mafias, supporting corruption, force-feeding wars, fiddling elections, inviting a bombing and losing Kosovo? He was an ace incompetent.
(Bob, 28 February 2012 18:32)
Let me get this straight, you want me to apologize for the US sponsored genocide of the entire Serbian population in Croatia? You want me to apologize for massacres and genocides which never happened, and are complete fabrications of Berlin/Washington, with the help of PR firms like Rudder Finn and Hill & Knowlton?
For your information, Milosevic was not a nationalist. He betrayed both the Krajina Serbs and Bosnian Serbs, he drew a border along the Drina river, all because the West asked him to. He also made a huge mistake on pulling the Serbian army out of Kosovo, although UNHC Resolution 1244 did guarantee that Kosovo is Serbia. If I had something to apologize for, I would. But we Serbs have nothing to apologize for, because it is all based on lies, exaggerations and pure fiction. The facts back me up on this, and we hae a mountain of facts. We also have this thing called truth on our side.
Cheers!!
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Good let the truth out, but will the NATO countries compensate Serbia (in the future) for the damage caused?
The breakup of Yugoslavia caused the ex republics a big debt and damage in Billions of Euro's
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Dragan
As an apologist for NATO (according to you) can I suggest that you consider apologising to Serbia for what Milosevic did to it?
Do apologise for Milosevic involving Serbia in mafias, supporting corruption, force-feeding wars, fiddling elections, inviting a bombing and losing Kosovo? He was an ace incompetent.
Nationalism has done harm to Serbia and will continue to do so for many years ahead.
It is a shame that the locals could not keep at peace - if they had, NATO would have only been there as an invited friend.
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I have from time to time posted a link on B92 about a YouTube documentary called "It started with a lie". It is a German production, that's right German., and will open your eyes about how the Western propaganda machine was operating regarding the Kosovo conflict. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI4kz8CSYmA
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Most serbs probably hoped that Milosevic would succeed in cleansing Kosovo of albanians but he failed - live with it.
(nikshala, 28 February 2012 17:35)
He started too late. If he had started together with Tudjman's "operation storm", he could have succeeded.
I am talking about strategy here, not about morality.
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HARD FACTS ARE
Jan Oberg, who had personally consulted Rugova, said in 1998 “The potentials of principled non-violence is not consumed in Kosovo/a. In fact, it has not been tried yet.” http://fred.dk/mnk/kosovo/kosovo6.html
Witnesses Bislim Zyrapi, Chief of the KLA General Staff; General Maisonneuve; Colonel R. Ciaglinski; General K. Naumann etc,admitted that the KLA was accommodated in schools, collective facilities and houses; it was exceptionally difficult to protect the civilian population because the rebels were also wearing civilian clothes and were mixed with the civilian population; also that the KLA made it impossible for UNHCR to evacuate displaced persons and thus being a cynical attempt to use Albanian civilians as a human shield; Bakrac, Mihaijlo; Lazarevitch Trial Transcript; ICTY
and George Robertson told the British House of Commons on 24 March that, The provocation that the UN Secretary-General was talking about was the offensive actions taken by the KLA who are a part of the Kosovo Albanian population which collectively signed up to the accord. It is right to say they should not be engaged in provocation. Up until Racak earlier this year the KLA were responsible for more deaths in Kosovo than the Yugoslav authorities had been."
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199899/cmselect/cmdfence/39/9032403.htm
KOSOVO ALBANIANS, PLEASE GO BACK TO ALBANIA AND BUILD A WALL AROUND YOU AND SPARE EUROPEANS FROM YOUR BACKWARDENESS, OR CONVERT TO BUDDHISM OR SOME OTHER MORE HUMANE AND PROGRESSIVE RELIGION!!!
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United States of Albania...contrary to your statement, the more and more i talk everyday to Americans they seem to realize the propaganda used back then. And many of them regret the Serbian campaign..after you stop feeding the propaganda machine, the truth eventually comes out. KLA was a terrorist group, that got smashed fast..and oh wow.. genocide! Serbs didnt tolerate terrorist groups as other sovereign countries will not either. And as far as spreading the word.. Chicago has the 2nd most Serbs in the world..you should let me know where i can meet you over a cup of coffee. Im sure if you keep spreading the word, eventually you will be stepped on like the puke that you are.. good luck with that idea. We all know what puke, scum, drug users, and criminals you are even here in the US.
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the NATO bombing was done, because Serbia committed crimes against humanity, did ethnic cleansing, killed helpless people left and right, took away basic human rights from Kosovars. Reading this article shows once more how Serbia and it's media still is trying to twist history around, and it can not be trusted.
(bill, 28 February 2012 11:37)
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Please explain how NATO started bombing due to ethnic cleansing when there was no such thing (except against Serbians) prior to the bombing. You should also read the OSCE report which accused Albanians of terrorism and of practically violating all "ceasefires" prior to the bombing. In other words, it was the Albanians who wanted NATO bombing and were provoking it. That resulted in great instability in the region, which is evident even today.
Anyway, this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. We have seen lie after lie coming from the same people as justification for destroying country after country. Even our ethnic-Albanian friends and their supporters know that.
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The biggest fault of NATO is that they put up for him so long during the Bosnia fiasco - at least the west's intervention stopped the fighting there after three terrible years.
(Bob)
But Milosevic withdrew his support to Bosnian Serbs, helped to negotiate Dayton agreement and was considered peacemaker by the West for a while.
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I still cannot believe that any serb with average or even lower than average intellegence can deny that serbian army, paramilitary, and police commited crimes against civilians in Kosovo. I agree that crimes have been commited against the serbs as well and it is arguable that they didnt get the same media attention as crimes commited by serbs....but to claim innocence and deny massacres that have been commited is beyond belief. The bodies of victims and their physical characteristics (size, age, gender) confirm the atrocities commited by serbs against civilians. That is evidence that no apparently '13-years later-awakend-conscious' person can refute. Stop looking for someone to blame....you lost Kosovo because you elected and believed Milosevic and his tactics of killing anyone and their whole families that dared to oppose the state of Serbia in the hope of instilling fear - tactics that were known to the rest of the world and that KLA exploited. Most serbs probably hoped that Milosevic would succeed in cleansing Kosovo of albanians but he failed - live with it.
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NATO's intervention in Kosovo was made because of a genuine fear of a repeat of Bosnia being blamed on western politicians.
Milosevic was a very poor politician. The bombing was completely avoidable if he had adopted different policies in the years before that. Instead he continued to antagonise the west and never generated any trust that he could deal fairly and properly. He did nothing to show that he did not want murder done in the name of Serbia.
I remember that some thought (stupidly) that Milosevic was a 'clever' politician at the time - but in practice he managed to create enemies. No body trusted him because he continually broke trust. Did NATO play games back at Milosevic - you bet they did: he asked for it and got it. The biggest fault of NATO is that they put up for him so long during the Bosnia fiasco - at least the west's intervention stopped the fighting there after three terrible years.
Still there is a lack of trust in Serbia because so many Serb nationalists support people like Mladic who was prepared to break the rules of war with a sneer on his face. His attitude, as with the attitude of Karadic and Milosevic cost Serbs a lot - including Kosovo.
Here is the dilemma for me. Kosovo should be part of Serbia - but under peaceful democratic principles. Unfortunately the nationalists have somewhat spoilt that possibility.
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(Bob, 28 February 2012 17:01)
Here we go again, Bob the apologist for the NATO war criminals who ILLEGALY bombed Serbia for 78 days, and supported KLA organ snatching terrorists (whom Osama Bin Laden also supported), and also attempted to reward these criminals with Serbian land.
We've heard enough from incompetents like yourself. Quit trying to justify the lies, mistakes, and war crimes of the White House and Berlin for supporting fascists like Tudjman and war criminals like Thaci - what the west has done in ex-Yugoslavia is a crime against all Serbs, and you will all burn in hell for it. I still remember those hate mongers like Albright, Rubin, Blair, and Cohen spewing their lies every day about fictitious 'Racak' massacres, and fictitious '100,000 dead albanians' and fictitious 'genocides' like Srebrenica, and fictitious 'throwing bodies down the Trepca mine shaft'. You know waht Bob, thos are ALL PROVEN LIES, and we know it. Once the truth gets out to the masses, all those western government officials (the real war criminals), will have lots to answer for.
Cheers!!
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(a New Day, 28 February 2012 15:12)
Ok, but is propaganda necessary after war has ended? How can we trust data even from WW2 when main powers are manipulating with people even now in 21st century.
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Thanks for confirming what many of us knew for over 10 years.
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the problem is that Muslim Albanians is obviously not enough space for them in their free"kosova" , otherwise they would not be flooding all over the civilised Europe and causing mayehm and criminality. they have done much bad in my home land too, killing innocent people. it really seems that the numbers the NATO has presented were false. And the true is that Muslim Albanians do not belong to Europe but to islamist Turkey or IRan or similar places!
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Btw. This guy, Henning Hensch, is frequently invited by Leftish organizations and a voter of the "Die Linke". The president of this party visited Milosevic during the bombardment. Says more than 1000 words..
(Guest, 28 February 2012 11:54)
"The Kosovo Liberation Army, which has won the support of the West for its guerrilla struggle against the heavy armour of the Serbs, is a Marxist-led force funded by dubious sources, including drug money. That is the judgment of senior police officers across Europe. An investigation by The Times has established that police forces in three Western European countries, together with Europol, the European police authority, are separately investigating growing evidence that drug money is funding the KLA's leap from obscurity to power. "
Drugs Money Linked to the Kosovo Rebels," The Times (London), 3/24/99
The KLA made its military debut in February 1996 with the bombing of several camps housing Serbian refugees from wars in Croatia and Bosnia Jane's Intelligence Review, 10/1/96.
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We've been saying this for a long time now. The whole anti-Serb cabal in the mainstream media has flooded the airwaves with pure anti-Serb lies and propoganda throughout the 90's, and is still doing it today. Germany, the home of infamous propogandist Josef Goebells, excelled in this.
Rudolf Scharping is a war criminal, and should be sued and tried in a real court for this (not that NATO run political kangaroo court in the Hague). The truth always comes out in the end, and there is going to be much more stories like this one coming out. The Serbs are the good guys, and the former Nazi allies - Croats, albanians, and Bosnian muslims, were in fact the bad guys. The facts show this, and it is our duty to show this to the world.
Cheers!!
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Good thing rediculous articles like this one fall on deaf ears in the world community. Random Serbian trolls and nationalists(which is about 99%) of Serbia) dont count or matter! See, only world opinion matters and world opinion when it comes to Serberians is awful! I just laugh when I read propaganda like this article because its not going to change anything. It was meant for Serb consumption in light of the loss of Kosova. I'll be sure to do my job in spreading the truth about Serbs and Siberians here in Chicago;) Don't you worry;)
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I always thought NATO bombed Serbia for fun.
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agree, but CNN said that 100 000 people were killed in Kosovo not around 1 000, not to mention Bosnia where around 30 000 bosniak civilians were killed during the war not 300 000. There is big diference betwen 400 000 people being killed and around 30-40 000.
(SRB, 28 February 2012 14:28)
I agree 100%, just think of the damage that Serbia would have inflicted if NATO forces had waited to intervene. After all to many including you, 30,000 lives is an insignificant number for the Serbian Cause.
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There is big diference betwen 400 000 people being killed and around 30-40 000.
(SRB, 28 February 2012 14:28)
Not for those who have been killed...And if you continue to falsify the numbers like you are, soon you will claim that the population actually has grown during the conflicts.
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This video is not original. Original one has 55 000 views.
Is there a news for this in Serbian?
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To Bill.
and NATO is squeaky clean and they had no hand in instigating the war I suppose. The biggest criminals here are the US, British, and German governments. Where have you been hibernating for the past couple of decades. They are repeating the same scenario again, demonizing one side and showing only what they wish you to see.
Western media are doing the very same to Syria and Iran, look at the US news, talk about scare mongering. Grow up and wake up and stop supporting those war mongers in Washington, London and the rest!!
WAKEY WAKEY BILL!!
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"The German television program featuring an interview with Hensch also showed Scharping in a news conference in early 1999, where he presented photographs from Rugovo of KLA members killed in battle, claiming they depicted massacred civilians."
Anyway, even if these mentioned persons were KLA fighters killed, there's no doubt that some 1000 others of civilians in Kosovo have been killed by Serbian paramilitaries.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 February 2012 13:49)
I agree, but CNN said that 100 000 people were killed in Kosovo not around 1 000, not to mention Bosnia where around 30 000 bosniak civilians were killed during the war not 300 000. There is big diference betwen 400 000 people being killed and around 30-40 000.
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I watched that small report and must say that it is very narrow and weak. Henning Hensch claims after 13 years that some of his pictures were not used in the way how it supposed to be. I'm wondering why he did not come up with that in the first place. He was member of the OSCE and didn't need the German government. Furthermore, he only talks about one case, the one in Rugovo (Rugova?). Possibly this was indeed only a fire fight between the two opposing factions, but it does not explain why vast areas have been destroyed by Serbian forces, the hundreds of thousands Albanian refugees, just as does not explain how many secondary mass graves in the whole of Serbia appeared, one of them in Batajinica. In fact, there is no mention about the proven Serbian atrocities at all which makes this whole video useless.
Some commentators here mentioned that Henning Hensch is part of the Left Party of Germany (Die Linke). If that is the case, the credibility of this "report" is zero. "Die Linke" (during that time known as "PDS" and successor of the communist regime in Eastern Germany) was one of biggest supporters of Milosevic in Germany.
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Oh great more conspiracy theories. What next, WW2 never really happened? Elvis is still alive? I'm sure the Ottoman Turks must have felt the same when Serbia was fighting to cede, that Serb sufferings were greatly exaggerated. p.s. I was there during the war, I will never forget it, nor will I ever forgive Serb gov. for it. It's OK though, you believe in bullshit to make you feel better, there's loads to be found here
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I welcome the fact that some media at last seem willing to exercise their so-called "duty to protect" citizens from revolting and devastating frauds made by some high-level officials.I suppose that Rudolf Scharping’ frauds are exposed. What did he exert while being in power. He exerted dirty propaganda-LIES.If there were any justice,which I doubt,he would be prosecuted and convicted. The statement given by the former policeman is irrefutable evidence, given that there is a report suggesting that the same statement was formerly released by the Finnish pathologist. Some Albanians write comments that the video is a frame-up,which is absurd.
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There are thousand of documented cases where Serbs murdered civilians and destroyed whole cities. It is unbelievable that this is now blanked out, but I don't expect any normal discussion here. Serbs will make this single report to their second bible and deny ALL other proofs.
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Thousands of documented cases of Serbs destroying whole cities???
I'm sorry but that is an outright exaggeration. Yes it was a bloody war zone with abuses committed by both sides but to equate the VJ with the aliens from War of the Worlds is a tad OTT dont you think.
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There are thousand of documented cases where Serbs murdered civilians and destroyed whole cities. It is unbelievable that this is now blanked out, but I don't expect any normal discussion here. Serbs will make this single report to their second bible and deny ALL other proofs.
Btw. This guy, Henning Hensch, is frequently invited by Leftish organizations and a voter of the "Die Linke". The president of this party visited Milosevic during the bombardment. Says more than 1000 words..
(Guest, 28 February 2012 11:54)
Die Linke only came into being in 2007 as a result of the merger between the PDS and the WASG socialist trade union coalition. The person you are refering to, Lothar Bisky was not only critical of the bombing, but also of Milosevic as well.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/336150.stm
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One cannot make submarines out of sh-t ? Sooner or later they come to the surface.
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Serb crimes are archived in all countries of the world. Rubbish try to protect innocence of the crime,it would be better to ask forgiveness directly,otherwise every other attempt will also deepen hatred for 5000 next years. Reality knows all states and are fed up with Serbian fabrications.
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""The Serbian authorities considered the KLA to be a terrorist group""
So did the USA at the time.
Look, Serbia did some horible things, so did the KLA and everyone else. Everyone is a little but guilty and a little bit innocent. However some sides stories and agendas were certainly told better than others and publiczied better.
On another note: It was not 'ethnic cleansing'. Just because the people you are fighting are of the same ethnicity, just like ww2 was not ethnic cleansing of Japan.
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Slowly but surely the truth is coming out. As long is this type of info keeps coming out new recognitions will stop and previous ones will be reconsidered.
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FINALLY!!!
The world will start to see who the real criminals were!
Thaci and his gang will be trialled soon enough.
KLA = Kosovo Liberation Army = Considered a terrorist by America up until they took them off the list and bombed Serbia.
Kosovo is Serbia's land - Serbian peasants - just good honest hard working people caught up in lies & propaganda
Albanians burned down all the churches in Kosovo (most of them)
You desecrate our monasteries and also grave sites. Pathetic race
The world will find out soon enough.
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"The German television program featuring an interview with Hensch also showed Scharping in a news conference in early 1999, where he presented photographs from Rugovo of KLA members killed in battle, claiming they depicted massacred civilians."
Anyway, even if these mentioned persons were KLA fighters killed, there's no doubt that some 1000 others of civilians in Kosovo have been killed by Serbian paramilitaries.
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On internet you can find an article about a study case about western propaganda (see below). The study case describe what is mentioned in todays article.
The full document can be downloaded by this link
http://ics-www.leeds.ac.uk/papers/vp01.cfm?outfit=pmt&folder=4&paper=2508
Democracy and Propaganda:
NATO’s War in Kosovo
Dr. Mark A. Wolfgram
Assistant Professor of Political Science
Oklahoma State University - Stillwater
Department of Political Science
519 Math Science
Oklahoma State University
Stillwater, OK 74078
405-744-5571
mark.wolfgram@okstate.edu
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bill
No "bill". Albanians, croats and muslims have lied for too long. Nobody is buying it anymore. You all had your reasons for missleading the world into believing you were the victims. You wanted to steal territory that did not belong to you. The only way you could pull that off was through lies. The real vicitms are all those serbs expelled from their homes in Kosovo, Croatia and Bosnia. It's not a coincidence that Serbia has the most missplaced people in the whole region. Hopefully the war in the balkans will go down in history as the one of the biggest lies in European history. Then again, most wars waged against defenceless and innocent nations began with lies and deception.
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Well dear Peggy, we all know where u stand, and that the Australien sun obviously did some damage to your way of thinking.
This man is a known friend of Milosevic, he supported him all along, even visted him im Belgrade while he was still in power, and a communist supporter. So much for his credibility.
Fact is that Serbia committed crimes against humanity, as proven in numerous court cases, International as well as in local courts. So what do we have in this blown up story. A person who obviously adored Milosevic, and a member of the German Communist Party, making unproven statments. That's all. It would be better if people like you finally come to terms with Serbia's past, but instead you go on trying to twist history around, and prove to the entire world on a daily basis how ignorant and hateful you are. You and and your friends are simply blind people, unable to see reality, and most certainly do not help Serbia's acceptance in the rest of the world when u go on spreading your flith here every day.
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the NATO bombing was done, because Serbia committed crimes against humanity, did ethnic cleansing, killed helpless people left and right, took away basic human rights from Kosovars. Reading this article shows once more how Serbia and it's media still is trying to twist history around, and it can not be trusted.
(bill, 28 February 2012 11:37)
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Now your friends are saying it and you are calling them liars.
What would it take to convince you that you lot were not and are not as innocent as you would like to think?
What would it take to convince you that the war on propaganda was in full swing against Serbia and this helped your cause?
Wake up or grown up which ever applies to you.
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This is not new. A German government TV channel has sent years ago the report "It started with a lie" showing all the lies about Serbia and the situation in Kosovo. Search for "Es begann mit einer Lüge" in youtube. A version with Serbian subtitles is available there
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This was known at the time for those who bothered to critically analyse information, it was indicated by the Finnish investigaters who were quickly removed as they got nearer to the proof. There was evidence that the bullet holes didn't match with clothing etc etc. The question is- why are they saying this now? guilt? or to pursuade Serbs who are resistant to the EU that Germany is their friend? So they bombed a legitimate country for 78 days against the UN, destroyed lives and inferstructure, caused billions of pounds of damage for a bunch of lying terrorists-no surprise there. The more Serbs are agaist the EU the more they'll start telling the truth because they want their quislings re-elected and they don't want you to turn to other countries.I'm going to see if this is reported inUK papers- I doubt it they are too busy writing about Angelina Jolie's film-
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I have said all along that the truth will eventually come out. Kosovo is being stolen from Serbia because of lies. Those albanians killed during the war were mostly terrorist uck members. I'm glad America and the rest of hypocrite Europe does no longer manage to keep this lie a secret. Truth will prevail.
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Scharping falsely presented members of the ethnic Albanian KLA "rebels" as - civilian victims..
B92
Albright and W.Cohen were doing exactly the same on every Western media outlet.Murdoch's Fox news and Blair's BBC had a field day in the propaganda war with their lies and fiction.The alleged genocide of the Albanians were the menu of the day and all that in the altar of completing the dismembering of what was left of the old Yugoslavia.
The Germans took a fig leaf from the British empire-that is divide and rule.The dissolution of Yugoslavia into small statelets was aiming into bringinging them into Western fold under the German controlled EU.However,this process will come into an end as the EU has entered the mode of terminal decline and eventual dissolution.
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There are thousand of documented cases where Serbs murdered civilians and destroyed whole cities. It is unbelievable that this is now blanked out, but I don't expect any normal discussion here. Serbs will make this single report to their second bible and deny ALL other proofs.
Btw. This guy, Henning Hensch, is frequently invited by Leftish organizations and a voter of the "Die Linke". The president of this party visited Milosevic during the bombardment. Says more than 1000 words..
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the NATO bombing was done, because Serbia committed crimes against humanity, did ethnic cleansing, killed helpless people left and right, took away basic human rights from Kosovars. Reading this article shows once more how Serbia and it's media still is trying to twist history around, and it can not be trusted.
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I have said all along that the truth will eventually come out. Kosovo is being stolen from Serbia because of lies. Those albanians killed during the war were mostly terrorist uck members. I'm glad America and the rest of hypocrite Europe does no longer manage to keep this lie a secret. Truth will prevail.
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the NATO bombing was done, because Serbia committed crimes against humanity, did ethnic cleansing, killed helpless people left and right, took away basic human rights from Kosovars. Reading this article shows once more how Serbia and it's media still is trying to twist history around, and it can not be trusted.
(bill, 28 February 2012 11:37)
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Now your friends are saying it and you are calling them liars.
What would it take to convince you that you lot were not and are not as innocent as you would like to think?
What would it take to convince you that the war on propaganda was in full swing against Serbia and this helped your cause?
Wake up or grown up which ever applies to you.
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bill
No "bill". Albanians, croats and muslims have lied for too long. Nobody is buying it anymore. You all had your reasons for missleading the world into believing you were the victims. You wanted to steal territory that did not belong to you. The only way you could pull that off was through lies. The real vicitms are all those serbs expelled from their homes in Kosovo, Croatia and Bosnia. It's not a coincidence that Serbia has the most missplaced people in the whole region. Hopefully the war in the balkans will go down in history as the one of the biggest lies in European history. Then again, most wars waged against defenceless and innocent nations began with lies and deception.
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Scharping falsely presented members of the ethnic Albanian KLA "rebels" as - civilian victims..
B92
Albright and W.Cohen were doing exactly the same on every Western media outlet.Murdoch's Fox news and Blair's BBC had a field day in the propaganda war with their lies and fiction.The alleged genocide of the Albanians were the menu of the day and all that in the altar of completing the dismembering of what was left of the old Yugoslavia.
The Germans took a fig leaf from the British empire-that is divide and rule.The dissolution of Yugoslavia into small statelets was aiming into bringinging them into Western fold under the German controlled EU.However,this process will come into an end as the EU has entered the mode of terminal decline and eventual dissolution.
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This is not new. A German government TV channel has sent years ago the report "It started with a lie" showing all the lies about Serbia and the situation in Kosovo. Search for "Es begann mit einer Lüge" in youtube. A version with Serbian subtitles is available there
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This was known at the time for those who bothered to critically analyse information, it was indicated by the Finnish investigaters who were quickly removed as they got nearer to the proof. There was evidence that the bullet holes didn't match with clothing etc etc. The question is- why are they saying this now? guilt? or to pursuade Serbs who are resistant to the EU that Germany is their friend? So they bombed a legitimate country for 78 days against the UN, destroyed lives and inferstructure, caused billions of pounds of damage for a bunch of lying terrorists-no surprise there. The more Serbs are agaist the EU the more they'll start telling the truth because they want their quislings re-elected and they don't want you to turn to other countries.I'm going to see if this is reported inUK papers- I doubt it they are too busy writing about Angelina Jolie's film-
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the NATO bombing was done, because Serbia committed crimes against humanity, did ethnic cleansing, killed helpless people left and right, took away basic human rights from Kosovars. Reading this article shows once more how Serbia and it's media still is trying to twist history around, and it can not be trusted.
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FINALLY!!!
The world will start to see who the real criminals were!
Thaci and his gang will be trialled soon enough.
KLA = Kosovo Liberation Army = Considered a terrorist by America up until they took them off the list and bombed Serbia.
Kosovo is Serbia's land - Serbian peasants - just good honest hard working people caught up in lies & propaganda
Albanians burned down all the churches in Kosovo (most of them)
You desecrate our monasteries and also grave sites. Pathetic race
The world will find out soon enough.
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There are thousand of documented cases where Serbs murdered civilians and destroyed whole cities. It is unbelievable that this is now blanked out, but I don't expect any normal discussion here. Serbs will make this single report to their second bible and deny ALL other proofs.
# Comment link
Thousands of documented cases of Serbs destroying whole cities???
I'm sorry but that is an outright exaggeration. Yes it was a bloody war zone with abuses committed by both sides but to equate the VJ with the aliens from War of the Worlds is a tad OTT dont you think.
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On internet you can find an article about a study case about western propaganda (see below). The study case describe what is mentioned in todays article.
The full document can be downloaded by this link
http://ics-www.leeds.ac.uk/papers/vp01.cfm?outfit=pmt&folder=4&paper=2508
Democracy and Propaganda:
NATO’s War in Kosovo
Dr. Mark A. Wolfgram
Assistant Professor of Political Science
Oklahoma State University - Stillwater
Department of Political Science
519 Math Science
Oklahoma State University
Stillwater, OK 74078
405-744-5571
mark.wolfgram@okstate.edu
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We've been saying this for a long time now. The whole anti-Serb cabal in the mainstream media has flooded the airwaves with pure anti-Serb lies and propoganda throughout the 90's, and is still doing it today. Germany, the home of infamous propogandist Josef Goebells, excelled in this.
Rudolf Scharping is a war criminal, and should be sued and tried in a real court for this (not that NATO run political kangaroo court in the Hague). The truth always comes out in the end, and there is going to be much more stories like this one coming out. The Serbs are the good guys, and the former Nazi allies - Croats, albanians, and Bosnian muslims, were in fact the bad guys. The facts show this, and it is our duty to show this to the world.
Cheers!!
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HARD FACTS ARE
Jan Oberg, who had personally consulted Rugova, said in 1998 “The potentials of principled non-violence is not consumed in Kosovo/a. In fact, it has not been tried yet.” http://fred.dk/mnk/kosovo/kosovo6.html
Witnesses Bislim Zyrapi, Chief of the KLA General Staff; General Maisonneuve; Colonel R. Ciaglinski; General K. Naumann etc,admitted that the KLA was accommodated in schools, collective facilities and houses; it was exceptionally difficult to protect the civilian population because the rebels were also wearing civilian clothes and were mixed with the civilian population; also that the KLA made it impossible for UNHCR to evacuate displaced persons and thus being a cynical attempt to use Albanian civilians as a human shield; Bakrac, Mihaijlo; Lazarevitch Trial Transcript; ICTY
and George Robertson told the British House of Commons on 24 March that, The provocation that the UN Secretary-General was talking about was the offensive actions taken by the KLA who are a part of the Kosovo Albanian population which collectively signed up to the accord. It is right to say they should not be engaged in provocation. Up until Racak earlier this year the KLA were responsible for more deaths in Kosovo than the Yugoslav authorities had been."
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199899/cmselect/cmdfence/39/9032403.htm
KOSOVO ALBANIANS, PLEASE GO BACK TO ALBANIA AND BUILD A WALL AROUND YOU AND SPARE EUROPEANS FROM YOUR BACKWARDENESS, OR CONVERT TO BUDDHISM OR SOME OTHER MORE HUMANE AND PROGRESSIVE RELIGION!!!
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Serb crimes are archived in all countries of the world. Rubbish try to protect innocence of the crime,it would be better to ask forgiveness directly,otherwise every other attempt will also deepen hatred for 5000 next years. Reality knows all states and are fed up with Serbian fabrications.
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To Bill.
and NATO is squeaky clean and they had no hand in instigating the war I suppose. The biggest criminals here are the US, British, and German governments. Where have you been hibernating for the past couple of decades. They are repeating the same scenario again, demonizing one side and showing only what they wish you to see.
Western media are doing the very same to Syria and Iran, look at the US news, talk about scare mongering. Grow up and wake up and stop supporting those war mongers in Washington, London and the rest!!
WAKEY WAKEY BILL!!
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the problem is that Muslim Albanians is obviously not enough space for them in their free"kosova" , otherwise they would not be flooding all over the civilised Europe and causing mayehm and criminality. they have done much bad in my home land too, killing innocent people. it really seems that the numbers the NATO has presented were false. And the true is that Muslim Albanians do not belong to Europe but to islamist Turkey or IRan or similar places!
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There are thousand of documented cases where Serbs murdered civilians and destroyed whole cities. It is unbelievable that this is now blanked out, but I don't expect any normal discussion here. Serbs will make this single report to their second bible and deny ALL other proofs.
Btw. This guy, Henning Hensch, is frequently invited by Leftish organizations and a voter of the "Die Linke". The president of this party visited Milosevic during the bombardment. Says more than 1000 words..
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Well dear Peggy, we all know where u stand, and that the Australien sun obviously did some damage to your way of thinking.
This man is a known friend of Milosevic, he supported him all along, even visted him im Belgrade while he was still in power, and a communist supporter. So much for his credibility.
Fact is that Serbia committed crimes against humanity, as proven in numerous court cases, International as well as in local courts. So what do we have in this blown up story. A person who obviously adored Milosevic, and a member of the German Communist Party, making unproven statments. That's all. It would be better if people like you finally come to terms with Serbia's past, but instead you go on trying to twist history around, and prove to the entire world on a daily basis how ignorant and hateful you are. You and and your friends are simply blind people, unable to see reality, and most certainly do not help Serbia's acceptance in the rest of the world when u go on spreading your flith here every day.
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I welcome the fact that some media at last seem willing to exercise their so-called "duty to protect" citizens from revolting and devastating frauds made by some high-level officials.I suppose that Rudolf Scharping’ frauds are exposed. What did he exert while being in power. He exerted dirty propaganda-LIES.If there were any justice,which I doubt,he would be prosecuted and convicted. The statement given by the former policeman is irrefutable evidence, given that there is a report suggesting that the same statement was formerly released by the Finnish pathologist. Some Albanians write comments that the video is a frame-up,which is absurd.
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Slowly but surely the truth is coming out. As long is this type of info keeps coming out new recognitions will stop and previous ones will be reconsidered.
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(Bob, 28 February 2012 17:01)
Here we go again, Bob the apologist for the NATO war criminals who ILLEGALY bombed Serbia for 78 days, and supported KLA organ snatching terrorists (whom Osama Bin Laden also supported), and also attempted to reward these criminals with Serbian land.
We've heard enough from incompetents like yourself. Quit trying to justify the lies, mistakes, and war crimes of the White House and Berlin for supporting fascists like Tudjman and war criminals like Thaci - what the west has done in ex-Yugoslavia is a crime against all Serbs, and you will all burn in hell for it. I still remember those hate mongers like Albright, Rubin, Blair, and Cohen spewing their lies every day about fictitious 'Racak' massacres, and fictitious '100,000 dead albanians' and fictitious 'genocides' like Srebrenica, and fictitious 'throwing bodies down the Trepca mine shaft'. You know waht Bob, thos are ALL PROVEN LIES, and we know it. Once the truth gets out to the masses, all those western government officials (the real war criminals), will have lots to answer for.
Cheers!!
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"The German television program featuring an interview with Hensch also showed Scharping in a news conference in early 1999, where he presented photographs from Rugovo of KLA members killed in battle, claiming they depicted massacred civilians."
Anyway, even if these mentioned persons were KLA fighters killed, there's no doubt that some 1000 others of civilians in Kosovo have been killed by Serbian paramilitaries.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 February 2012 13:49)
I agree, but CNN said that 100 000 people were killed in Kosovo not around 1 000, not to mention Bosnia where around 30 000 bosniak civilians were killed during the war not 300 000. There is big diference betwen 400 000 people being killed and around 30-40 000.
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I have from time to time posted a link on B92 about a YouTube documentary called "It started with a lie". It is a German production, that's right German., and will open your eyes about how the Western propaganda machine was operating regarding the Kosovo conflict. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI4kz8CSYmA
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One cannot make submarines out of sh-t ? Sooner or later they come to the surface.
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I watched that small report and must say that it is very narrow and weak. Henning Hensch claims after 13 years that some of his pictures were not used in the way how it supposed to be. I'm wondering why he did not come up with that in the first place. He was member of the OSCE and didn't need the German government. Furthermore, he only talks about one case, the one in Rugovo (Rugova?). Possibly this was indeed only a fire fight between the two opposing factions, but it does not explain why vast areas have been destroyed by Serbian forces, the hundreds of thousands Albanian refugees, just as does not explain how many secondary mass graves in the whole of Serbia appeared, one of them in Batajinica. In fact, there is no mention about the proven Serbian atrocities at all which makes this whole video useless.
Some commentators here mentioned that Henning Hensch is part of the Left Party of Germany (Die Linke). If that is the case, the credibility of this "report" is zero. "Die Linke" (during that time known as "PDS" and successor of the communist regime in Eastern Germany) was one of biggest supporters of Milosevic in Germany.
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Btw. This guy, Henning Hensch, is frequently invited by Leftish organizations and a voter of the "Die Linke". The president of this party visited Milosevic during the bombardment. Says more than 1000 words..
(Guest, 28 February 2012 11:54)
"The Kosovo Liberation Army, which has won the support of the West for its guerrilla struggle against the heavy armour of the Serbs, is a Marxist-led force funded by dubious sources, including drug money. That is the judgment of senior police officers across Europe. An investigation by The Times has established that police forces in three Western European countries, together with Europol, the European police authority, are separately investigating growing evidence that drug money is funding the KLA's leap from obscurity to power. "
Drugs Money Linked to the Kosovo Rebels," The Times (London), 3/24/99
The KLA made its military debut in February 1996 with the bombing of several camps housing Serbian refugees from wars in Croatia and Bosnia Jane's Intelligence Review, 10/1/96.
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I always thought NATO bombed Serbia for fun.
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It is a shame that the locals could not keep at peace - if they had, NATO would have only been there as an invited friend.
(Bob, 28 February 2012 18:32)
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Bob, do you believe that Tudjman and Izetbegovic were any better than Milosevic? Really, it's a shame that Germany and the Vatican got involved and prematurely recognised the independence of Croatia and BiH before a peaceful settlement was negotiated.
I mean, how would you feel if one day you were living amongst your own people and the next day some Muslim fundamentalist or ultra nationalist Croatian wanted to rule you, especially after what happened to Serbians in WWII?
The fact is, nationalism engulfed the whole region and the West kept adding fuel to the fire. So yes, they made their fair share of mistakes but having the huge egos that they have, they thought it would be a good idea to blame Serbs for everything.
So a bit of truth and balance is a good thing. It helps with reconciliation.
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"The German television program featuring an interview with Hensch also showed Scharping in a news conference in early 1999, where he presented photographs from Rugovo of KLA members killed in battle, claiming they depicted massacred civilians."
Anyway, even if these mentioned persons were KLA fighters killed, there's no doubt that some 1000 others of civilians in Kosovo have been killed by Serbian paramilitaries.
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Thanks for confirming what many of us knew for over 10 years.
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the NATO bombing was done, because Serbia committed crimes against humanity, did ethnic cleansing, killed helpless people left and right, took away basic human rights from Kosovars. Reading this article shows once more how Serbia and it's media still is trying to twist history around, and it can not be trusted.
(bill, 28 February 2012 11:37)
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Please explain how NATO started bombing due to ethnic cleansing when there was no such thing (except against Serbians) prior to the bombing. You should also read the OSCE report which accused Albanians of terrorism and of practically violating all "ceasefires" prior to the bombing. In other words, it was the Albanians who wanted NATO bombing and were provoking it. That resulted in great instability in the region, which is evident even today.
Anyway, this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. We have seen lie after lie coming from the same people as justification for destroying country after country. Even our ethnic-Albanian friends and their supporters know that.
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I still cannot believe that any serb with average or even lower than average intellegence can deny that serbian army, paramilitary, and police commited crimes against civilians in Kosovo. I agree that crimes have been commited against the serbs as well and it is arguable that they didnt get the same media attention as crimes commited by serbs....but to claim innocence and deny massacres that have been commited is beyond belief. The bodies of victims and their physical characteristics (size, age, gender) confirm the atrocities commited by serbs against civilians. That is evidence that no apparently '13-years later-awakend-conscious' person can refute. Stop looking for someone to blame....you lost Kosovo because you elected and believed Milosevic and his tactics of killing anyone and their whole families that dared to oppose the state of Serbia in the hope of instilling fear - tactics that were known to the rest of the world and that KLA exploited. Most serbs probably hoped that Milosevic would succeed in cleansing Kosovo of albanians but he failed - live with it.
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Oh great more conspiracy theories. What next, WW2 never really happened? Elvis is still alive? I'm sure the Ottoman Turks must have felt the same when Serbia was fighting to cede, that Serb sufferings were greatly exaggerated. p.s. I was there during the war, I will never forget it, nor will I ever forgive Serb gov. for it. It's OK though, you believe in bullshit to make you feel better, there's loads to be found here
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Good thing rediculous articles like this one fall on deaf ears in the world community. Random Serbian trolls and nationalists(which is about 99%) of Serbia) dont count or matter! See, only world opinion matters and world opinion when it comes to Serberians is awful! I just laugh when I read propaganda like this article because its not going to change anything. It was meant for Serb consumption in light of the loss of Kosova. I'll be sure to do my job in spreading the truth about Serbs and Siberians here in Chicago;) Don't you worry;)
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United States of Albania...contrary to your statement, the more and more i talk everyday to Americans they seem to realize the propaganda used back then. And many of them regret the Serbian campaign..after you stop feeding the propaganda machine, the truth eventually comes out. KLA was a terrorist group, that got smashed fast..and oh wow.. genocide! Serbs didnt tolerate terrorist groups as other sovereign countries will not either. And as far as spreading the word.. Chicago has the 2nd most Serbs in the world..you should let me know where i can meet you over a cup of coffee. Im sure if you keep spreading the word, eventually you will be stepped on like the puke that you are.. good luck with that idea. We all know what puke, scum, drug users, and criminals you are even here in the US.
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you are absolutely right, after my tour to KiM I understood that NATO had interveved on wrong side and there were some groups of people with whom only brutal force works. Albanians in Kosovo are among them because they 1) violence among themselves is a part of their culture , and they respect it 2) they are so much their supremacy driven nacionalists and live in their narrow-minded Illyrian dreams and collectively believe that this would "give" them the right to drive lawful owners - Serbs -away from their land. Reason for that may partly to lie with Islam - I have been in missions in many Oslamic countries and I can assure that there is no way to agree with them, again due to their fairy-tale book based "exclusivness", while with other denominations it is eventually possible...And lastly, you should not be afraid of me `cause KiM is not my home land but Serbs` one and it must be up to them how to proceed with that problem - I personally would not tolerate kleptocracy - but if they prefer to give their land. If a cuckoo places her egg in neighbour`s nest, that does not make her legitimate the owner of that nest, do you agre?
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There are thousand of documented cases where Serbs murdered civilians and destroyed whole cities. It is unbelievable that this is now blanked out, but I don't expect any normal discussion here. Serbs will make this single report to their second bible and deny ALL other proofs.
Btw. This guy, Henning Hensch, is frequently invited by Leftish organizations and a voter of the "Die Linke". The president of this party visited Milosevic during the bombardment. Says more than 1000 words..
(Guest, 28 February 2012 11:54)
Die Linke only came into being in 2007 as a result of the merger between the PDS and the WASG socialist trade union coalition. The person you are refering to, Lothar Bisky was not only critical of the bombing, but also of Milosevic as well.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/336150.stm
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Dragan
As an apologist for NATO (according to you) can I suggest that you consider apologising to Serbia for what Milosevic did to it?
Do apologise for Milosevic involving Serbia in mafias, supporting corruption, force-feeding wars, fiddling elections, inviting a bombing and losing Kosovo? He was an ace incompetent.
(Bob, 28 February 2012 18:32)
Let me get this straight, you want me to apologize for the US sponsored genocide of the entire Serbian population in Croatia? You want me to apologize for massacres and genocides which never happened, and are complete fabrications of Berlin/Washington, with the help of PR firms like Rudder Finn and Hill & Knowlton?
For your information, Milosevic was not a nationalist. He betrayed both the Krajina Serbs and Bosnian Serbs, he drew a border along the Drina river, all because the West asked him to. He also made a huge mistake on pulling the Serbian army out of Kosovo, although UNHC Resolution 1244 did guarantee that Kosovo is Serbia. If I had something to apologize for, I would. But we Serbs have nothing to apologize for, because it is all based on lies, exaggerations and pure fiction. The facts back me up on this, and we hae a mountain of facts. We also have this thing called truth on our side.
Cheers!!
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(a New Day, 28 February 2012 15:12)
Ok, but is propaganda necessary after war has ended? How can we trust data even from WW2 when main powers are manipulating with people even now in 21st century.
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Most serbs probably hoped that Milosevic would succeed in cleansing Kosovo of albanians but he failed - live with it.
(nikshala, 28 February 2012 17:35)
He started too late. If he had started together with Tudjman's "operation storm", he could have succeeded.
I am talking about strategy here, not about morality.
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Good let the truth out, but will the NATO countries compensate Serbia (in the future) for the damage caused?
The breakup of Yugoslavia caused the ex republics a big debt and damage in Billions of Euro's
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It is a shame that the locals could not keep at peace - if they had, NATO would have only been there as an invited friend.
(Bob, 28 February 2012 18:32)
"Invited friend" as written in Appendix B of Rambouillet Accords:
NATO personnel shall enjoy, together with their vehicles, vessels, aircraft, and equipment, free and unrestricted passage and unimpeded access throughout the FRY including associated airspace and territorial waters. This shall include, but not be limited to, the right of bivouac, maneuver, billet, and utilization of any areas or facilities as required for support, training, and operations".
Bob, this is much more than invited friend. Just imagine "invited friend" comes to your house, stays in your house as much as he wants, enters your bedroom when he wants, sees your wife naked and etc. And you can not do anything about it as he has full immunity.
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'if you think that continuing to allow the murder of women and children was a good thing then you are right to condemn the west for stamping on the fighting.'
I'm assuming this garbage is from you Bob, even though you used my name? Serbs never murdured women and children - this is another blatant lie. Where is your source for this claim?? I can tell you who DID murder women and children - Naser Oric, and Croat fascists in Medak Pocket (including helpless old people), and of course we have the albanian organ snatchers who outdid all of them. Basicaly, all the people the good ol' US of A and their German allies supported were doing these types of horrible attrocities.
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agree, but CNN said that 100 000 people were killed in Kosovo not around 1 000, not to mention Bosnia where around 30 000 bosniak civilians were killed during the war not 300 000. There is big diference betwen 400 000 people being killed and around 30-40 000.
(SRB, 28 February 2012 14:28)
I agree 100%, just think of the damage that Serbia would have inflicted if NATO forces had waited to intervene. After all to many including you, 30,000 lives is an insignificant number for the Serbian Cause.
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So what happens now? Rescinded recognitions? Return of Kosovo to Serbia? Trials for Clinton, Blair and Albright? Vindication of all Serbs branded as war criminals? If I were to bet on any of these things happening, my money would be on..."no".
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The biggest fault of NATO is that they put up for him so long during the Bosnia fiasco - at least the west's intervention stopped the fighting there after three terrible years.
(Bob)
But Milosevic withdrew his support to Bosnian Serbs, helped to negotiate Dayton agreement and was considered peacemaker by the West for a while.
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Truth is coming out little by little. And all you can do is deny. Pathetic!
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Dragan, 28 February 2012 22:02
What did Serbia lose? Have you heard of Srpska Republika??? That is called winning buddy. And have you heard lately that Serbia is no longer called Yugoslavia, and that it is FREE and INDEPENDENT? Have you heard of this, this is the biggest VICTORY in Serbian history.
That Serbs no longer have to be in one country with those who have always fought and lost with the oppressors.
So my friend if it makes you feel better at night to tell yourself that Serbia lost, please keep telling yourself that..
Meanwhile, everybody knows that Tudman, after 500,000 poor Christians were forced out of their land like dogs, he said "they didn't take their dirty underwear." This is what the Father of modern croatia will be remembered for...
You see, you croats, albanians, and muslim bosnians think you won but you did Serbia the biggest favor by showing everyone who you were and are after you got away with the almost complete extermination of Christian Serbs during WWI and WWII. Yugoslavia is dead. Serbs had been so brainwashed by tito that had the wars not happened Serbs would be extinct. But your bloodthirsty hate for Serbs actually made them Serbs again.
So for that every Serb thanks you all, Croat-nazis, mujahadeans, and the kidney and organ soldiers in Kosovo, thank you for all you hiring Ruder and Finn, thank you for siding with the oppressor again, thank you for showing who you are.
Serbia is now only Serbia. Free from you and the others.
You will never kill Serbia no matter how many PR firms you hire or how many countries you get to go to war for you against Serbia...
Long live the Royal Serbia.
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""The Serbian authorities considered the KLA to be a terrorist group""
So did the USA at the time.
Look, Serbia did some horible things, so did the KLA and everyone else. Everyone is a little but guilty and a little bit innocent. However some sides stories and agendas were certainly told better than others and publiczied better.
On another note: It was not 'ethnic cleansing'. Just because the people you are fighting are of the same ethnicity, just like ww2 was not ethnic cleansing of Japan.
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NATO's intervention in Kosovo was made because of a genuine fear of a repeat of Bosnia being blamed on western politicians.
Milosevic was a very poor politician. The bombing was completely avoidable if he had adopted different policies in the years before that. Instead he continued to antagonise the west and never generated any trust that he could deal fairly and properly. He did nothing to show that he did not want murder done in the name of Serbia.
I remember that some thought (stupidly) that Milosevic was a 'clever' politician at the time - but in practice he managed to create enemies. No body trusted him because he continually broke trust. Did NATO play games back at Milosevic - you bet they did: he asked for it and got it. The biggest fault of NATO is that they put up for him so long during the Bosnia fiasco - at least the west's intervention stopped the fighting there after three terrible years.
Still there is a lack of trust in Serbia because so many Serb nationalists support people like Mladic who was prepared to break the rules of war with a sneer on his face. His attitude, as with the attitude of Karadic and Milosevic cost Serbs a lot - including Kosovo.
Here is the dilemma for me. Kosovo should be part of Serbia - but under peaceful democratic principles. Unfortunately the nationalists have somewhat spoilt that possibility.
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Dragan
As an apologist for NATO (according to you) can I suggest that you consider apologising to Serbia for what Milosevic did to it?
Do apologise for Milosevic involving Serbia in mafias, supporting corruption, force-feeding wars, fiddling elections, inviting a bombing and losing Kosovo? He was an ace incompetent.
Nationalism has done harm to Serbia and will continue to do so for many years ahead.
It is a shame that the locals could not keep at peace - if they had, NATO would have only been there as an invited friend.
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Dragan
You have truth on your side?! You have a wilful imagination.
However, I always said that Milosevic was a traitor to Serbia - it seems we agree on that. …but, apparently for totally different reasons. He was a traitor because of the crime and destruction he created spoiling lives for both Serbs and others and ruining the reputation of Serbia in the world by doing nothing to stop the murders in Bosnia.
As for the west making demarcations in Bosnia … if you think that continuing to allow the murder of women and children was a good thing then you are right to condemn the west for stamping on the fighting.
I agree - you don't have to apologise for Milosevic. He caused problems and lost in the end, so there was justice.
Shame that Serbia lost so much because of him…. and because of the nationalism that he exploited so successfully for a while to keep himself in power!
Boban - read more carefully; by the time of Ramboulett it was too late - Milosevic's invitation for intervention was made long before that when he allowed murder to be carried out in the name of Serbia. That killing need never have started - in THOSE circumstances, NATO would have come as a friend.
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There is big diference betwen 400 000 people being killed and around 30-40 000.
(SRB, 28 February 2012 14:28)
Not for those who have been killed...And if you continue to falsify the numbers like you are, soon you will claim that the population actually has grown during the conflicts.
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The victims are just virtual, because a German documentary says so.
The Hague should consider this as evidence...because a TV documentary said so...LOL
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Serb crimes are archived in all countries of the world. Rubbish try to protect innocence of the crime,it would be better to ask forgiveness directly,otherwise every other attempt will also deepen hatred for 5000 next years. Reality knows all states and are fed up with Serbian fabrications.
(drini., 28 February 2012 13:27)
Come on Drini, even you dont believe in that, you can always ask Suzana what she thinks.
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This video is not original. Original one has 55 000 views.
Is there a news for this in Serbian?
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Since these sort of theories are readitly believed by some posters here, I wonder if you could perhaps tell me something, was Milosevic in on it too? I mean, think about it, this is now common knowledge right, so logically it means, Slobo was part of the whole show. He ordered the bombing of a few houses to give the KLA the chance to fake a few massecres, thus drawing NATO in. In turn, his family got wealth and a new life in Russia (Milosevic agreed to go on holiday in the Hague, ouf of his own accord, he isn't really dead, the deal was that his death would be faked). If you're easily taken in by this, what else do you believe? Roswell and Aliens?
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this video is the next lie of Serbia, which cannot accept the fact that Kosovo is not any more part of it. Sorry folks, but this is the truth.
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"NATO launched its 1999 war against Serbia "because of German Defense Minister Rudolf Scharping's lies", claims a former member of an OSCE mission in Kosovo"
Let's assume it is so. And then what ?! It's already been proved beyond reasonable doubt by a Court set up by Russia, China and others that the actions of the Serbian army caused the displacement of hundreds of thousands of Kosovo inhhabitans in Spring of 1999. That alone is sufficient reason for NATO's action against Serbia.
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Dragan
You have truth on your side?! You have a wilful imagination.
However, I always said that Milosevic was a traitor to Serbia - it seems we agree on that. …but, apparently for totally different reasons. He was a traitor because of the crime and destruction he created spoiling lives for both Serbs and others and ruining the reputation of Serbia in the world by doing nothing to stop the murders in Bosnia.
As for the west making demarcations in Bosnia … if you think that continuing to allow the murder of women and children was a good thing then you are right to condemn the west for stamping on the fighting.
I agree - you don't have to apologise for Milosevic. He caused problems and lost in the end, so there was justice.
Shame that Serbia lost so much because of him…. and because of the nationalism that he exploited so successfully for a while to keep himself in power!
Boban - read more carefully; by the time of Rambouillet it was too late - Milosevic's invitation for intervention was made long before that when he allowed murder to be carried out in the name of Serbia. That killing need never have started - in those circumstances, NATO could have come as an invited friend.
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Can anyone show me some proof that Milosevic killed or instructed to kill anyone in Kosovo? I do know however that the charges against Milosevic were dropped as there was no hard evidence or proof.
The thing about Albanians is they believe things so easily.
Serbians do not just believe the news straight away. They dig deeper and use more than one source.
For whichever civilians died during the war on either side I am sorry for. But you Albanians won't get away with your ridiculous accusations and magnified statistics.
Slowly but surely more people will understand the whole story of Kosovo and not just the last 15 minutes like you Albanians depict.
Your KLA will come into the spotlight more than ever before and NATO too.
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KOSOVO ALBANIANS, PLEASE GO BACK TO ALBANIA AND BUILD A WALL AROUND YOU AND SPARE EUROPEANS FROM YOUR BACKWARDENESS, OR CONVERT TO BUDDHISM OR SOME OTHER MORE HUMANE AND PROGRESSIVE RELIGION!!!
(exKFOR, 28 February 2012 18:34)
"my dear" exKFOR-
When one resorts to shouting it is clear that their emotions have taking over their rational and objective thinking. Narrow and shortminded views like your amount nothing more to prejudice toward a nation that you "aspired" to support!!!
Please do some more reading ( i mean objective reading and from objective sources) before you comment again and shopw your true projudice.
may your views take the path of understaning and) peace (god protect us form people like you with big guns in your hands)
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Yea the bodies of two year olds buried inside Serbia must have been that of KLA fighters. Serbia has been in a state of denial for 500 years. That is partly the fault of the west which instead of harshly punishing Serbia, it funds it's survival and invites it into the EU. Serbia needs an Iraq or Afganistan treatment so that they can for once stop denying the crimes they've commited. When u have the mainstream Serbs denying these crimes even though bodies of children are found in mass graves inside Serbia what can you expect about the variety of nuts showing here. Even considering total bias of foreign press in all the wars Serbia was involved throughout the whole decade one would have to lack the whole part of the brain that deals with reason or logic to even attempt to think about denying these thousands of crimes. As long as Serbia is in constant denial about the crimes it commited the whole Balkans is fvked.
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oh no no trizo now i know. the whole thing apparently was a farce. in fact, all those Albanian old women and children and old men going to Macedonia and Albania, it turns out were paid $5 each to play the part in the game. we all know they were paid by the CIA. but, since the truth is now allegedly coming out, who's to say Milosevic wasn't part of the whole show? I mean, I have already constructed a plausible reason as to how that could so easily have been the case. i look forward to reading the REAL history of the Balkans, Serbian style. Srebrenica: myth. the siege of Sarajevo: myth. Kosova: myth. at this stage, WW2 will be relegated to the same status. and i thought i knew my history and could trust my own eyes
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Don’t worry dear Serbs. The truth is coming out. And the truth has the quality to be only one. We Albanians have only one hope for our cause that truth comes out 100%. I know that Serbs will be last one to absorb the truth, but we are calm and we know that this is process. A lot of documents are coming in light since 1844.For the moment we are satisfied that free world has identified the truth of Balkan.
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such a poor judgmental world some serbs tend to live in ,denying well known video documents of kosovar deportation .I myself was a witness of deportation by serbian military forces and the whole damn city witnessed it .Such a waste .And I thought we would start over
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oh how terrible. lying to the public in order to get their support so they can join a war to save innocent people. grow up you kids!!!
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the NATO bombing was done, because Serbia committed crimes against humanity, did ethnic cleansing, killed helpless people left and right, took away basic human rights from Kosovars. Reading this article shows once more how Serbia and it's media still is trying to twist history around, and it can not be trusted.
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Well dear Peggy, we all know where u stand, and that the Australien sun obviously did some damage to your way of thinking.
This man is a known friend of Milosevic, he supported him all along, even visted him im Belgrade while he was still in power, and a communist supporter. So much for his credibility.
Fact is that Serbia committed crimes against humanity, as proven in numerous court cases, International as well as in local courts. So what do we have in this blown up story. A person who obviously adored Milosevic, and a member of the German Communist Party, making unproven statments. That's all. It would be better if people like you finally come to terms with Serbia's past, but instead you go on trying to twist history around, and prove to the entire world on a daily basis how ignorant and hateful you are. You and and your friends are simply blind people, unable to see reality, and most certainly do not help Serbia's acceptance in the rest of the world when u go on spreading your flith here every day.
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Serb crimes are archived in all countries of the world. Rubbish try to protect innocence of the crime,it would be better to ask forgiveness directly,otherwise every other attempt will also deepen hatred for 5000 next years. Reality knows all states and are fed up with Serbian fabrications.
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I have said all along that the truth will eventually come out. Kosovo is being stolen from Serbia because of lies. Those albanians killed during the war were mostly terrorist uck members. I'm glad America and the rest of hypocrite Europe does no longer manage to keep this lie a secret. Truth will prevail.
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There are thousand of documented cases where Serbs murdered civilians and destroyed whole cities. It is unbelievable that this is now blanked out, but I don't expect any normal discussion here. Serbs will make this single report to their second bible and deny ALL other proofs.
Btw. This guy, Henning Hensch, is frequently invited by Leftish organizations and a voter of the "Die Linke". The president of this party visited Milosevic during the bombardment. Says more than 1000 words..
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FINALLY!!!
The world will start to see who the real criminals were!
Thaci and his gang will be trialled soon enough.
KLA = Kosovo Liberation Army = Considered a terrorist by America up until they took them off the list and bombed Serbia.
Kosovo is Serbia's land - Serbian peasants - just good honest hard working people caught up in lies & propaganda
Albanians burned down all the churches in Kosovo (most of them)
You desecrate our monasteries and also grave sites. Pathetic race
The world will find out soon enough.
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Good thing rediculous articles like this one fall on deaf ears in the world community. Random Serbian trolls and nationalists(which is about 99%) of Serbia) dont count or matter! See, only world opinion matters and world opinion when it comes to Serberians is awful! I just laugh when I read propaganda like this article because its not going to change anything. It was meant for Serb consumption in light of the loss of Kosova. I'll be sure to do my job in spreading the truth about Serbs and Siberians here in Chicago;) Don't you worry;)
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Oh great more conspiracy theories. What next, WW2 never really happened? Elvis is still alive? I'm sure the Ottoman Turks must have felt the same when Serbia was fighting to cede, that Serb sufferings were greatly exaggerated. p.s. I was there during the war, I will never forget it, nor will I ever forgive Serb gov. for it. It's OK though, you believe in bullshit to make you feel better, there's loads to be found here
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Slowly but surely the truth is coming out. As long is this type of info keeps coming out new recognitions will stop and previous ones will be reconsidered.
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Scharping falsely presented members of the ethnic Albanian KLA "rebels" as - civilian victims..
B92
Albright and W.Cohen were doing exactly the same on every Western media outlet.Murdoch's Fox news and Blair's BBC had a field day in the propaganda war with their lies and fiction.The alleged genocide of the Albanians were the menu of the day and all that in the altar of completing the dismembering of what was left of the old Yugoslavia.
The Germans took a fig leaf from the British empire-that is divide and rule.The dissolution of Yugoslavia into small statelets was aiming into bringinging them into Western fold under the German controlled EU.However,this process will come into an end as the EU has entered the mode of terminal decline and eventual dissolution.
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the NATO bombing was done, because Serbia committed crimes against humanity, did ethnic cleansing, killed helpless people left and right, took away basic human rights from Kosovars. Reading this article shows once more how Serbia and it's media still is trying to twist history around, and it can not be trusted.
(bill, 28 February 2012 11:37)
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Now your friends are saying it and you are calling them liars.
What would it take to convince you that you lot were not and are not as innocent as you would like to think?
What would it take to convince you that the war on propaganda was in full swing against Serbia and this helped your cause?
Wake up or grown up which ever applies to you.
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There is big diference betwen 400 000 people being killed and around 30-40 000.
(SRB, 28 February 2012 14:28)
Not for those who have been killed...And if you continue to falsify the numbers like you are, soon you will claim that the population actually has grown during the conflicts.
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We've been saying this for a long time now. The whole anti-Serb cabal in the mainstream media has flooded the airwaves with pure anti-Serb lies and propoganda throughout the 90's, and is still doing it today. Germany, the home of infamous propogandist Josef Goebells, excelled in this.
Rudolf Scharping is a war criminal, and should be sued and tried in a real court for this (not that NATO run political kangaroo court in the Hague). The truth always comes out in the end, and there is going to be much more stories like this one coming out. The Serbs are the good guys, and the former Nazi allies - Croats, albanians, and Bosnian muslims, were in fact the bad guys. The facts show this, and it is our duty to show this to the world.
Cheers!!
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"The German television program featuring an interview with Hensch also showed Scharping in a news conference in early 1999, where he presented photographs from Rugovo of KLA members killed in battle, claiming they depicted massacred civilians."
Anyway, even if these mentioned persons were KLA fighters killed, there's no doubt that some 1000 others of civilians in Kosovo have been killed by Serbian paramilitaries.
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the problem is that Muslim Albanians is obviously not enough space for them in their free"kosova" , otherwise they would not be flooding all over the civilised Europe and causing mayehm and criminality. they have done much bad in my home land too, killing innocent people. it really seems that the numbers the NATO has presented were false. And the true is that Muslim Albanians do not belong to Europe but to islamist Turkey or IRan or similar places!
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I still cannot believe that any serb with average or even lower than average intellegence can deny that serbian army, paramilitary, and police commited crimes against civilians in Kosovo. I agree that crimes have been commited against the serbs as well and it is arguable that they didnt get the same media attention as crimes commited by serbs....but to claim innocence and deny massacres that have been commited is beyond belief. The bodies of victims and their physical characteristics (size, age, gender) confirm the atrocities commited by serbs against civilians. That is evidence that no apparently '13-years later-awakend-conscious' person can refute. Stop looking for someone to blame....you lost Kosovo because you elected and believed Milosevic and his tactics of killing anyone and their whole families that dared to oppose the state of Serbia in the hope of instilling fear - tactics that were known to the rest of the world and that KLA exploited. Most serbs probably hoped that Milosevic would succeed in cleansing Kosovo of albanians but he failed - live with it.
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bill
No "bill". Albanians, croats and muslims have lied for too long. Nobody is buying it anymore. You all had your reasons for missleading the world into believing you were the victims. You wanted to steal territory that did not belong to you. The only way you could pull that off was through lies. The real vicitms are all those serbs expelled from their homes in Kosovo, Croatia and Bosnia. It's not a coincidence that Serbia has the most missplaced people in the whole region. Hopefully the war in the balkans will go down in history as the one of the biggest lies in European history. Then again, most wars waged against defenceless and innocent nations began with lies and deception.
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I watched that small report and must say that it is very narrow and weak. Henning Hensch claims after 13 years that some of his pictures were not used in the way how it supposed to be. I'm wondering why he did not come up with that in the first place. He was member of the OSCE and didn't need the German government. Furthermore, he only talks about one case, the one in Rugovo (Rugova?). Possibly this was indeed only a fire fight between the two opposing factions, but it does not explain why vast areas have been destroyed by Serbian forces, the hundreds of thousands Albanian refugees, just as does not explain how many secondary mass graves in the whole of Serbia appeared, one of them in Batajinica. In fact, there is no mention about the proven Serbian atrocities at all which makes this whole video useless.
Some commentators here mentioned that Henning Hensch is part of the Left Party of Germany (Die Linke). If that is the case, the credibility of this "report" is zero. "Die Linke" (during that time known as "PDS" and successor of the communist regime in Eastern Germany) was one of biggest supporters of Milosevic in Germany.
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Btw. This guy, Henning Hensch, is frequently invited by Leftish organizations and a voter of the "Die Linke". The president of this party visited Milosevic during the bombardment. Says more than 1000 words..
(Guest, 28 February 2012 11:54)
"The Kosovo Liberation Army, which has won the support of the West for its guerrilla struggle against the heavy armour of the Serbs, is a Marxist-led force funded by dubious sources, including drug money. That is the judgment of senior police officers across Europe. An investigation by The Times has established that police forces in three Western European countries, together with Europol, the European police authority, are separately investigating growing evidence that drug money is funding the KLA's leap from obscurity to power. "
Drugs Money Linked to the Kosovo Rebels," The Times (London), 3/24/99
The KLA made its military debut in February 1996 with the bombing of several camps housing Serbian refugees from wars in Croatia and Bosnia Jane's Intelligence Review, 10/1/96.
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Dragan
As an apologist for NATO (according to you) can I suggest that you consider apologising to Serbia for what Milosevic did to it?
Do apologise for Milosevic involving Serbia in mafias, supporting corruption, force-feeding wars, fiddling elections, inviting a bombing and losing Kosovo? He was an ace incompetent.
Nationalism has done harm to Serbia and will continue to do so for many years ahead.
It is a shame that the locals could not keep at peace - if they had, NATO would have only been there as an invited friend.
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This is not new. A German government TV channel has sent years ago the report "It started with a lie" showing all the lies about Serbia and the situation in Kosovo. Search for "Es begann mit einer Lüge" in youtube. A version with Serbian subtitles is available there
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I welcome the fact that some media at last seem willing to exercise their so-called "duty to protect" citizens from revolting and devastating frauds made by some high-level officials.I suppose that Rudolf Scharping’ frauds are exposed. What did he exert while being in power. He exerted dirty propaganda-LIES.If there were any justice,which I doubt,he would be prosecuted and convicted. The statement given by the former policeman is irrefutable evidence, given that there is a report suggesting that the same statement was formerly released by the Finnish pathologist. Some Albanians write comments that the video is a frame-up,which is absurd.
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Thanks for confirming what many of us knew for over 10 years.
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United States of Albania...contrary to your statement, the more and more i talk everyday to Americans they seem to realize the propaganda used back then. And many of them regret the Serbian campaign..after you stop feeding the propaganda machine, the truth eventually comes out. KLA was a terrorist group, that got smashed fast..and oh wow.. genocide! Serbs didnt tolerate terrorist groups as other sovereign countries will not either. And as far as spreading the word.. Chicago has the 2nd most Serbs in the world..you should let me know where i can meet you over a cup of coffee. Im sure if you keep spreading the word, eventually you will be stepped on like the puke that you are.. good luck with that idea. We all know what puke, scum, drug users, and criminals you are even here in the US.
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This was known at the time for those who bothered to critically analyse information, it was indicated by the Finnish investigaters who were quickly removed as they got nearer to the proof. There was evidence that the bullet holes didn't match with clothing etc etc. The question is- why are they saying this now? guilt? or to pursuade Serbs who are resistant to the EU that Germany is their friend? So they bombed a legitimate country for 78 days against the UN, destroyed lives and inferstructure, caused billions of pounds of damage for a bunch of lying terrorists-no surprise there. The more Serbs are agaist the EU the more they'll start telling the truth because they want their quislings re-elected and they don't want you to turn to other countries.I'm going to see if this is reported inUK papers- I doubt it they are too busy writing about Angelina Jolie's film-
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There are thousand of documented cases where Serbs murdered civilians and destroyed whole cities. It is unbelievable that this is now blanked out, but I don't expect any normal discussion here. Serbs will make this single report to their second bible and deny ALL other proofs.
Btw. This guy, Henning Hensch, is frequently invited by Leftish organizations and a voter of the "Die Linke". The president of this party visited Milosevic during the bombardment. Says more than 1000 words..
(Guest, 28 February 2012 11:54)
Die Linke only came into being in 2007 as a result of the merger between the PDS and the WASG socialist trade union coalition. The person you are refering to, Lothar Bisky was not only critical of the bombing, but also of Milosevic as well.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/336150.stm
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There are thousand of documented cases where Serbs murdered civilians and destroyed whole cities. It is unbelievable that this is now blanked out, but I don't expect any normal discussion here. Serbs will make this single report to their second bible and deny ALL other proofs.
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Thousands of documented cases of Serbs destroying whole cities???
I'm sorry but that is an outright exaggeration. Yes it was a bloody war zone with abuses committed by both sides but to equate the VJ with the aliens from War of the Worlds is a tad OTT dont you think.
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One cannot make submarines out of sh-t ? Sooner or later they come to the surface.
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""The Serbian authorities considered the KLA to be a terrorist group""
So did the USA at the time.
Look, Serbia did some horible things, so did the KLA and everyone else. Everyone is a little but guilty and a little bit innocent. However some sides stories and agendas were certainly told better than others and publiczied better.
On another note: It was not 'ethnic cleansing'. Just because the people you are fighting are of the same ethnicity, just like ww2 was not ethnic cleansing of Japan.
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To Bill.
and NATO is squeaky clean and they had no hand in instigating the war I suppose. The biggest criminals here are the US, British, and German governments. Where have you been hibernating for the past couple of decades. They are repeating the same scenario again, demonizing one side and showing only what they wish you to see.
Western media are doing the very same to Syria and Iran, look at the US news, talk about scare mongering. Grow up and wake up and stop supporting those war mongers in Washington, London and the rest!!
WAKEY WAKEY BILL!!
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NATO's intervention in Kosovo was made because of a genuine fear of a repeat of Bosnia being blamed on western politicians.
Milosevic was a very poor politician. The bombing was completely avoidable if he had adopted different policies in the years before that. Instead he continued to antagonise the west and never generated any trust that he could deal fairly and properly. He did nothing to show that he did not want murder done in the name of Serbia.
I remember that some thought (stupidly) that Milosevic was a 'clever' politician at the time - but in practice he managed to create enemies. No body trusted him because he continually broke trust. Did NATO play games back at Milosevic - you bet they did: he asked for it and got it. The biggest fault of NATO is that they put up for him so long during the Bosnia fiasco - at least the west's intervention stopped the fighting there after three terrible years.
Still there is a lack of trust in Serbia because so many Serb nationalists support people like Mladic who was prepared to break the rules of war with a sneer on his face. His attitude, as with the attitude of Karadic and Milosevic cost Serbs a lot - including Kosovo.
Here is the dilemma for me. Kosovo should be part of Serbia - but under peaceful democratic principles. Unfortunately the nationalists have somewhat spoilt that possibility.
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the NATO bombing was done, because Serbia committed crimes against humanity, did ethnic cleansing, killed helpless people left and right, took away basic human rights from Kosovars. Reading this article shows once more how Serbia and it's media still is trying to twist history around, and it can not be trusted.
(bill, 28 February 2012 11:37)
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Please explain how NATO started bombing due to ethnic cleansing when there was no such thing (except against Serbians) prior to the bombing. You should also read the OSCE report which accused Albanians of terrorism and of practically violating all "ceasefires" prior to the bombing. In other words, it was the Albanians who wanted NATO bombing and were provoking it. That resulted in great instability in the region, which is evident even today.
Anyway, this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. We have seen lie after lie coming from the same people as justification for destroying country after country. Even our ethnic-Albanian friends and their supporters know that.
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The biggest fault of NATO is that they put up for him so long during the Bosnia fiasco - at least the west's intervention stopped the fighting there after three terrible years.
(Bob)
But Milosevic withdrew his support to Bosnian Serbs, helped to negotiate Dayton agreement and was considered peacemaker by the West for a while.
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The victims are just virtual, because a German documentary says so.
The Hague should consider this as evidence...because a TV documentary said so...LOL
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I always thought NATO bombed Serbia for fun.
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HARD FACTS ARE
Jan Oberg, who had personally consulted Rugova, said in 1998 “The potentials of principled non-violence is not consumed in Kosovo/a. In fact, it has not been tried yet.” http://fred.dk/mnk/kosovo/kosovo6.html
Witnesses Bislim Zyrapi, Chief of the KLA General Staff; General Maisonneuve; Colonel R. Ciaglinski; General K. Naumann etc,admitted that the KLA was accommodated in schools, collective facilities and houses; it was exceptionally difficult to protect the civilian population because the rebels were also wearing civilian clothes and were mixed with the civilian population; also that the KLA made it impossible for UNHCR to evacuate displaced persons and thus being a cynical attempt to use Albanian civilians as a human shield; Bakrac, Mihaijlo; Lazarevitch Trial Transcript; ICTY
and George Robertson told the British House of Commons on 24 March that, The provocation that the UN Secretary-General was talking about was the offensive actions taken by the KLA who are a part of the Kosovo Albanian population which collectively signed up to the accord. It is right to say they should not be engaged in provocation. Up until Racak earlier this year the KLA were responsible for more deaths in Kosovo than the Yugoslav authorities had been."
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199899/cmselect/cmdfence/39/9032403.htm
KOSOVO ALBANIANS, PLEASE GO BACK TO ALBANIA AND BUILD A WALL AROUND YOU AND SPARE EUROPEANS FROM YOUR BACKWARDENESS, OR CONVERT TO BUDDHISM OR SOME OTHER MORE HUMANE AND PROGRESSIVE RELIGION!!!
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this video is the next lie of Serbia, which cannot accept the fact that Kosovo is not any more part of it. Sorry folks, but this is the truth.
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Don’t worry dear Serbs. The truth is coming out. And the truth has the quality to be only one. We Albanians have only one hope for our cause that truth comes out 100%. I know that Serbs will be last one to absorb the truth, but we are calm and we know that this is process. A lot of documents are coming in light since 1844.For the moment we are satisfied that free world has identified the truth of Balkan.
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agree, but CNN said that 100 000 people were killed in Kosovo not around 1 000, not to mention Bosnia where around 30 000 bosniak civilians were killed during the war not 300 000. There is big diference betwen 400 000 people being killed and around 30-40 000.
(SRB, 28 February 2012 14:28)
I agree 100%, just think of the damage that Serbia would have inflicted if NATO forces had waited to intervene. After all to many including you, 30,000 lives is an insignificant number for the Serbian Cause.
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On internet you can find an article about a study case about western propaganda (see below). The study case describe what is mentioned in todays article.
The full document can be downloaded by this link
http://ics-www.leeds.ac.uk/papers/vp01.cfm?outfit=pmt&folder=4&paper=2508
Democracy and Propaganda:
NATO’s War in Kosovo
Dr. Mark A. Wolfgram
Assistant Professor of Political Science
Oklahoma State University - Stillwater
Department of Political Science
519 Math Science
Oklahoma State University
Stillwater, OK 74078
405-744-5571
mark.wolfgram@okstate.edu
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This video is not original. Original one has 55 000 views.
Is there a news for this in Serbian?
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(a New Day, 28 February 2012 15:12)
Ok, but is propaganda necessary after war has ended? How can we trust data even from WW2 when main powers are manipulating with people even now in 21st century.
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(Bob, 28 February 2012 17:01)
Here we go again, Bob the apologist for the NATO war criminals who ILLEGALY bombed Serbia for 78 days, and supported KLA organ snatching terrorists (whom Osama Bin Laden also supported), and also attempted to reward these criminals with Serbian land.
We've heard enough from incompetents like yourself. Quit trying to justify the lies, mistakes, and war crimes of the White House and Berlin for supporting fascists like Tudjman and war criminals like Thaci - what the west has done in ex-Yugoslavia is a crime against all Serbs, and you will all burn in hell for it. I still remember those hate mongers like Albright, Rubin, Blair, and Cohen spewing their lies every day about fictitious 'Racak' massacres, and fictitious '100,000 dead albanians' and fictitious 'genocides' like Srebrenica, and fictitious 'throwing bodies down the Trepca mine shaft'. You know waht Bob, thos are ALL PROVEN LIES, and we know it. Once the truth gets out to the masses, all those western government officials (the real war criminals), will have lots to answer for.
Cheers!!
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Most serbs probably hoped that Milosevic would succeed in cleansing Kosovo of albanians but he failed - live with it.
(nikshala, 28 February 2012 17:35)
He started too late. If he had started together with Tudjman's "operation storm", he could have succeeded.
I am talking about strategy here, not about morality.
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I have from time to time posted a link on B92 about a YouTube documentary called "It started with a lie". It is a German production, that's right German., and will open your eyes about how the Western propaganda machine was operating regarding the Kosovo conflict. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI4kz8CSYmA
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Since these sort of theories are readitly believed by some posters here, I wonder if you could perhaps tell me something, was Milosevic in on it too? I mean, think about it, this is now common knowledge right, so logically it means, Slobo was part of the whole show. He ordered the bombing of a few houses to give the KLA the chance to fake a few massecres, thus drawing NATO in. In turn, his family got wealth and a new life in Russia (Milosevic agreed to go on holiday in the Hague, ouf of his own accord, he isn't really dead, the deal was that his death would be faked). If you're easily taken in by this, what else do you believe? Roswell and Aliens?
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KOSOVO ALBANIANS, PLEASE GO BACK TO ALBANIA AND BUILD A WALL AROUND YOU AND SPARE EUROPEANS FROM YOUR BACKWARDENESS, OR CONVERT TO BUDDHISM OR SOME OTHER MORE HUMANE AND PROGRESSIVE RELIGION!!!
(exKFOR, 28 February 2012 18:34)
"my dear" exKFOR-
When one resorts to shouting it is clear that their emotions have taking over their rational and objective thinking. Narrow and shortminded views like your amount nothing more to prejudice toward a nation that you "aspired" to support!!!
Please do some more reading ( i mean objective reading and from objective sources) before you comment again and shopw your true projudice.
may your views take the path of understaning and) peace (god protect us form people like you with big guns in your hands)
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"NATO launched its 1999 war against Serbia "because of German Defense Minister Rudolf Scharping's lies", claims a former member of an OSCE mission in Kosovo"
Let's assume it is so. And then what ?! It's already been proved beyond reasonable doubt by a Court set up by Russia, China and others that the actions of the Serbian army caused the displacement of hundreds of thousands of Kosovo inhhabitans in Spring of 1999. That alone is sufficient reason for NATO's action against Serbia.
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"The German television program featuring an interview with Hensch also showed Scharping in a news conference in early 1999, where he presented photographs from Rugovo of KLA members killed in battle, claiming they depicted massacred civilians."
Anyway, even if these mentioned persons were KLA fighters killed, there's no doubt that some 1000 others of civilians in Kosovo have been killed by Serbian paramilitaries.
(Comm. Parrisson, 28 February 2012 13:49)
I agree, but CNN said that 100 000 people were killed in Kosovo not around 1 000, not to mention Bosnia where around 30 000 bosniak civilians were killed during the war not 300 000. There is big diference betwen 400 000 people being killed and around 30-40 000.
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oh no no trizo now i know. the whole thing apparently was a farce. in fact, all those Albanian old women and children and old men going to Macedonia and Albania, it turns out were paid $5 each to play the part in the game. we all know they were paid by the CIA. but, since the truth is now allegedly coming out, who's to say Milosevic wasn't part of the whole show? I mean, I have already constructed a plausible reason as to how that could so easily have been the case. i look forward to reading the REAL history of the Balkans, Serbian style. Srebrenica: myth. the siege of Sarajevo: myth. Kosova: myth. at this stage, WW2 will be relegated to the same status. and i thought i knew my history and could trust my own eyes
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So what happens now? Rescinded recognitions? Return of Kosovo to Serbia? Trials for Clinton, Blair and Albright? Vindication of all Serbs branded as war criminals? If I were to bet on any of these things happening, my money would be on..."no".
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Truth is coming out little by little. And all you can do is deny. Pathetic!
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Yea the bodies of two year olds buried inside Serbia must have been that of KLA fighters. Serbia has been in a state of denial for 500 years. That is partly the fault of the west which instead of harshly punishing Serbia, it funds it's survival and invites it into the EU. Serbia needs an Iraq or Afganistan treatment so that they can for once stop denying the crimes they've commited. When u have the mainstream Serbs denying these crimes even though bodies of children are found in mass graves inside Serbia what can you expect about the variety of nuts showing here. Even considering total bias of foreign press in all the wars Serbia was involved throughout the whole decade one would have to lack the whole part of the brain that deals with reason or logic to even attempt to think about denying these thousands of crimes. As long as Serbia is in constant denial about the crimes it commited the whole Balkans is fvked.
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you are absolutely right, after my tour to KiM I understood that NATO had interveved on wrong side and there were some groups of people with whom only brutal force works. Albanians in Kosovo are among them because they 1) violence among themselves is a part of their culture , and they respect it 2) they are so much their supremacy driven nacionalists and live in their narrow-minded Illyrian dreams and collectively believe that this would "give" them the right to drive lawful owners - Serbs -away from their land. Reason for that may partly to lie with Islam - I have been in missions in many Oslamic countries and I can assure that there is no way to agree with them, again due to their fairy-tale book based "exclusivness", while with other denominations it is eventually possible...And lastly, you should not be afraid of me `cause KiM is not my home land but Serbs` one and it must be up to them how to proceed with that problem - I personally would not tolerate kleptocracy - but if they prefer to give their land. If a cuckoo places her egg in neighbour`s nest, that does not make her legitimate the owner of that nest, do you agre?
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Dragan
You have truth on your side?! You have a wilful imagination.
However, I always said that Milosevic was a traitor to Serbia - it seems we agree on that. …but, apparently for totally different reasons. He was a traitor because of the crime and destruction he created spoiling lives for both Serbs and others and ruining the reputation of Serbia in the world by doing nothing to stop the murders in Bosnia.
As for the west making demarcations in Bosnia … if you think that continuing to allow the murder of women and children was a good thing then you are right to condemn the west for stamping on the fighting.
I agree - you don't have to apologise for Milosevic. He caused problems and lost in the end, so there was justice.
Shame that Serbia lost so much because of him…. and because of the nationalism that he exploited so successfully for a while to keep himself in power!
Boban - read more carefully; by the time of Ramboulett it was too late - Milosevic's invitation for intervention was made long before that when he allowed murder to be carried out in the name of Serbia. That killing need never have started - in THOSE circumstances, NATO would have come as a friend.
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'if you think that continuing to allow the murder of women and children was a good thing then you are right to condemn the west for stamping on the fighting.'
I'm assuming this garbage is from you Bob, even though you used my name? Serbs never murdured women and children - this is another blatant lie. Where is your source for this claim?? I can tell you who DID murder women and children - Naser Oric, and Croat fascists in Medak Pocket (including helpless old people), and of course we have the albanian organ snatchers who outdid all of them. Basicaly, all the people the good ol' US of A and their German allies supported were doing these types of horrible attrocities.
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such a poor judgmental world some serbs tend to live in ,denying well known video documents of kosovar deportation .I myself was a witness of deportation by serbian military forces and the whole damn city witnessed it .Such a waste .And I thought we would start over
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Good let the truth out, but will the NATO countries compensate Serbia (in the future) for the damage caused?
The breakup of Yugoslavia caused the ex republics a big debt and damage in Billions of Euro's
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Serb crimes are archived in all countries of the world. Rubbish try to protect innocence of the crime,it would be better to ask forgiveness directly,otherwise every other attempt will also deepen hatred for 5000 next years. Reality knows all states and are fed up with Serbian fabrications.
(drini., 28 February 2012 13:27)
Come on Drini, even you dont believe in that, you can always ask Suzana what she thinks.
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oh how terrible. lying to the public in order to get their support so they can join a war to save innocent people. grow up you kids!!!
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Dragan, 28 February 2012 22:02
What did Serbia lose? Have you heard of Srpska Republika??? That is called winning buddy. And have you heard lately that Serbia is no longer called Yugoslavia, and that it is FREE and INDEPENDENT? Have you heard of this, this is the biggest VICTORY in Serbian history.
That Serbs no longer have to be in one country with those who have always fought and lost with the oppressors.
So my friend if it makes you feel better at night to tell yourself that Serbia lost, please keep telling yourself that..
Meanwhile, everybody knows that Tudman, after 500,000 poor Christians were forced out of their land like dogs, he said "they didn't take their dirty underwear." This is what the Father of modern croatia will be remembered for...
You see, you croats, albanians, and muslim bosnians think you won but you did Serbia the biggest favor by showing everyone who you were and are after you got away with the almost complete extermination of Christian Serbs during WWI and WWII. Yugoslavia is dead. Serbs had been so brainwashed by tito that had the wars not happened Serbs would be extinct. But your bloodthirsty hate for Serbs actually made them Serbs again.
So for that every Serb thanks you all, Croat-nazis, mujahadeans, and the kidney and organ soldiers in Kosovo, thank you for all you hiring Ruder and Finn, thank you for siding with the oppressor again, thank you for showing who you are.
Serbia is now only Serbia. Free from you and the others.
You will never kill Serbia no matter how many PR firms you hire or how many countries you get to go to war for you against Serbia...
Long live the Royal Serbia.
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Can anyone show me some proof that Milosevic killed or instructed to kill anyone in Kosovo? I do know however that the charges against Milosevic were dropped as there was no hard evidence or proof.
The thing about Albanians is they believe things so easily.
Serbians do not just believe the news straight away. They dig deeper and use more than one source.
For whichever civilians died during the war on either side I am sorry for. But you Albanians won't get away with your ridiculous accusations and magnified statistics.
Slowly but surely more people will understand the whole story of Kosovo and not just the last 15 minutes like you Albanians depict.
Your KLA will come into the spotlight more than ever before and NATO too.
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Dragan
As an apologist for NATO (according to you) can I suggest that you consider apologising to Serbia for what Milosevic did to it?
Do apologise for Milosevic involving Serbia in mafias, supporting corruption, force-feeding wars, fiddling elections, inviting a bombing and losing Kosovo? He was an ace incompetent.
(Bob, 28 February 2012 18:32)
Let me get this straight, you want me to apologize for the US sponsored genocide of the entire Serbian population in Croatia? You want me to apologize for massacres and genocides which never happened, and are complete fabrications of Berlin/Washington, with the help of PR firms like Rudder Finn and Hill & Knowlton?
For your information, Milosevic was not a nationalist. He betrayed both the Krajina Serbs and Bosnian Serbs, he drew a border along the Drina river, all because the West asked him to. He also made a huge mistake on pulling the Serbian army out of Kosovo, although UNHC Resolution 1244 did guarantee that Kosovo is Serbia. If I had something to apologize for, I would. But we Serbs have nothing to apologize for, because it is all based on lies, exaggerations and pure fiction. The facts back me up on this, and we hae a mountain of facts. We also have this thing called truth on our side.
Cheers!!
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It is a shame that the locals could not keep at peace - if they had, NATO would have only been there as an invited friend.
(Bob, 28 February 2012 18:32)
"Invited friend" as written in Appendix B of Rambouillet Accords:
NATO personnel shall enjoy, together with their vehicles, vessels, aircraft, and equipment, free and unrestricted passage and unimpeded access throughout the FRY including associated airspace and territorial waters. This shall include, but not be limited to, the right of bivouac, maneuver, billet, and utilization of any areas or facilities as required for support, training, and operations".
Bob, this is much more than invited friend. Just imagine "invited friend" comes to your house, stays in your house as much as he wants, enters your bedroom when he wants, sees your wife naked and etc. And you can not do anything about it as he has full immunity.
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Dragan
You have truth on your side?! You have a wilful imagination.
However, I always said that Milosevic was a traitor to Serbia - it seems we agree on that. …but, apparently for totally different reasons. He was a traitor because of the crime and destruction he created spoiling lives for both Serbs and others and ruining the reputation of Serbia in the world by doing nothing to stop the murders in Bosnia.
As for the west making demarcations in Bosnia … if you think that continuing to allow the murder of women and children was a good thing then you are right to condemn the west for stamping on the fighting.
I agree - you don't have to apologise for Milosevic. He caused problems and lost in the end, so there was justice.
Shame that Serbia lost so much because of him…. and because of the nationalism that he exploited so successfully for a while to keep himself in power!
Boban - read more carefully; by the time of Rambouillet it was too late - Milosevic's invitation for intervention was made long before that when he allowed murder to be carried out in the name of Serbia. That killing need never have started - in those circumstances, NATO could have come as an invited friend.
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It is a shame that the locals could not keep at peace - if they had, NATO would have only been there as an invited friend.
(Bob, 28 February 2012 18:32)
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Bob, do you believe that Tudjman and Izetbegovic were any better than Milosevic? Really, it's a shame that Germany and the Vatican got involved and prematurely recognised the independence of Croatia and BiH before a peaceful settlement was negotiated.
I mean, how would you feel if one day you were living amongst your own people and the next day some Muslim fundamentalist or ultra nationalist Croatian wanted to rule you, especially after what happened to Serbians in WWII?
The fact is, nationalism engulfed the whole region and the West kept adding fuel to the fire. So yes, they made their fair share of mistakes but having the huge egos that they have, they thought it would be a good idea to blame Serbs for everything.
So a bit of truth and balance is a good thing. It helps with reconciliation.
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