Agreement on regional representation of Kosovo

As long as all parties know that Kosovo speaks for itself and not Serbia for Kosovo I think we Albanians have achieved a great victory

4. 'Kosovo*' participates on its own account and speaks for itself at all regional meetings.

5. Where new agreements are to be initialed and/or signed, a representative of 'Kosovo*' will sign under the designation in paras 2 and 3 above.

It doesn't look to me that Kosovo will be present as observer...))

It is not ideal for Kosovo but I can not see anything that "Kosovo issue is an internal affair of Serbia, or Serbia will be representing Kosovo...any future signs of Serbia's territorial integrity and sovereignity over Kosovo"

All Serbia is worried is the term Republic and the map of Kosovo as a country. Kind of obssesion!

Don't these people know the constitution of Serbia says Kosovo is a province of Serbia? They sign this thing that says Kosovo behaves like an independent country on equal standing to Serbia. All these conferences and forums treat all participants as independent countries and Serbia just signed this deal saying Kosovo can behave and be recognized as an independent country. Serbia will deal with representatives of Kosovo as if they were from Croatia or Slovenia. They have violated the constitution and are blatantly guilty of treason.

"This designation is without prejudice to positions on status, and is in line with UNSC 1244 and the ICJ Opinion on the Kosovo declaration of independence."

Ok, so all three things are mentioned in the footnote:

- UNSC Resolution 1244
- ICJ opinion
- Kosovo declaration of independence

"All Serbia is worried is the term Republic and the map of Kosovo as a country. Kind of obssesion!"
(EA, 25 February 2012 21:24)

Correct. Serbia didn't want to have Kosovo only as an observer. Well, this obsession to be not to be a state is even worse in Kosovo:

Thaci had to give up his demands to be represented as an independent state with the full name 'Republic of Kosovo'. Now Kosovo is represented in a realistic way that exactly describes the status quo, being a disputed territory with an unsettled status, under UN1244 and under an ICJ ruling about the legality of the UDI.

And yes, Kosovo gained something I consider much more valuable than bought recognitions: To be represented in regional meetings/conferences and being able to speak for themselves, make contracts and sign agreements. Obviously, the extremists in Pristina don't see it that way, because they seem to care more for stupid symbols, names and signs instead of more important things.

I don't think that two things can stay in one line. I don't think that UNSC 1244 Resolution can stay in one line with ICJ opinion, because ICJ opinion has removed UNSC 1244 as an obsticle for Kosovo to declare it's independence.

11. These arrangements are adopted on an interim basis.
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Yep, that caught my attention also. Looks like a loophole to me.
(Zoran, 28 February 2012 16:30)

Zoran,

What do think it means? It could mean that the agreement stays in effect unless BOTH sides agree otherwise. Nothing says that Serbia cannot agree to recognize Kosova officially in order to be given a date for ascension talks. Provided, of course, if Serbia is not prevented gaining candidate status.

Both sides give some, and so far, it appears to be in line with the Tadic plan for autonomy that Pristina declined in 2008, and that it recognizes that the status for Kosovo is disputed.

However, it is quite amazing that such a document has not been signed many years ago. There is nothing here that controversial, except for those who actually believed that Tadic would cave and recognize Kosovo.

Now it is time to look at the big questions as well as practical, temporary, solutions within Kosovo. that will be much harder, so if this takes 4 years, how long is the rest going to take? 40 years?

This designation is without prejudice to positions on status
" with out prejudice"
Is the most important words before the commitment, In legal terms it means anything I say after ive said
" with out prejudice" cannot be used against me

"11. These arrangements are adopted on an interim basis."

Nice..

There is a distinct difference between UNSC resolution 1244 and ICJ opinion on Kosovo Albanians declaration of independence.
UNSC resolution 1244 is a document contaioning mandates.ICJ is a document containing opinion only, no mandates.

11. These arrangements are adopted on an interim basis.
--
Yep, that caught my attention also. Looks like a loophole to me.

Basically, wherever the asterix is used, the footnote must be applied. How else can the footnote be read by an individual?
It never said the footnote will be defined as.

3. The footnote to be applied to the asterisk in para 2 above will read:

"This designation is without prejudice to positions on status, and is in line with UNSC 1244 and the ICJ Opinion on the Kosovo declaration of independence."

4. 'Kosovo*' participates on its own account and speaks for itself at all regional meetings.

5. Where new agreements are to be initialed and/or signed, a representative of 'Kosovo*' will sign under the designation in paras 2 and 3 above.

It doesn't look to me that Kosovo will be present as observer...))

It is not ideal for Kosovo but I can not see anything that "Kosovo issue is an internal affair of Serbia, or Serbia will be representing Kosovo...any future signs of Serbia's territorial integrity and sovereignity over Kosovo"

All Serbia is worried is the term Republic and the map of Kosovo as a country. Kind of obssesion!

"All Serbia is worried is the term Republic and the map of Kosovo as a country. Kind of obssesion!"
(EA, 25 February 2012 21:24)

Correct. Serbia didn't want to have Kosovo only as an observer. Well, this obsession to be not to be a state is even worse in Kosovo:

Thaci had to give up his demands to be represented as an independent state with the full name 'Republic of Kosovo'. Now Kosovo is represented in a realistic way that exactly describes the status quo, being a disputed territory with an unsettled status, under UN1244 and under an ICJ ruling about the legality of the UDI.

And yes, Kosovo gained something I consider much more valuable than bought recognitions: To be represented in regional meetings/conferences and being able to speak for themselves, make contracts and sign agreements. Obviously, the extremists in Pristina don't see it that way, because they seem to care more for stupid symbols, names and signs instead of more important things.

Don't these people know the constitution of Serbia says Kosovo is a province of Serbia? They sign this thing that says Kosovo behaves like an independent country on equal standing to Serbia. All these conferences and forums treat all participants as independent countries and Serbia just signed this deal saying Kosovo can behave and be recognized as an independent country. Serbia will deal with representatives of Kosovo as if they were from Croatia or Slovenia. They have violated the constitution and are blatantly guilty of treason.

As long as all parties know that Kosovo speaks for itself and not Serbia for Kosovo I think we Albanians have achieved a great victory

"This designation is without prejudice to positions on status, and is in line with UNSC 1244 and the ICJ Opinion on the Kosovo declaration of independence."

Ok, so all three things are mentioned in the footnote:

- UNSC Resolution 1244
- ICJ opinion
- Kosovo declaration of independence

I don't think that two things can stay in one line. I don't think that UNSC 1244 Resolution can stay in one line with ICJ opinion, because ICJ opinion has removed UNSC 1244 as an obsticle for Kosovo to declare it's independence.

There is a distinct difference between UNSC resolution 1244 and ICJ opinion on Kosovo Albanians declaration of independence.
UNSC resolution 1244 is a document contaioning mandates.ICJ is a document containing opinion only, no mandates.

This designation is without prejudice to positions on status
" with out prejudice"
Is the most important words before the commitment, In legal terms it means anything I say after ive said
" with out prejudice" cannot be used against me

Both sides give some, and so far, it appears to be in line with the Tadic plan for autonomy that Pristina declined in 2008, and that it recognizes that the status for Kosovo is disputed.

However, it is quite amazing that such a document has not been signed many years ago. There is nothing here that controversial, except for those who actually believed that Tadic would cave and recognize Kosovo.

Now it is time to look at the big questions as well as practical, temporary, solutions within Kosovo. that will be much harder, so if this takes 4 years, how long is the rest going to take? 40 years?

11. These arrangements are adopted on an interim basis.
--
Yep, that caught my attention also. Looks like a loophole to me.

"11. These arrangements are adopted on an interim basis."

Nice..

11. These arrangements are adopted on an interim basis.
--
Yep, that caught my attention also. Looks like a loophole to me.
(Zoran, 28 February 2012 16:30)

Zoran,

What do think it means? It could mean that the agreement stays in effect unless BOTH sides agree otherwise. Nothing says that Serbia cannot agree to recognize Kosova officially in order to be given a date for ascension talks. Provided, of course, if Serbia is not prevented gaining candidate status.

Basically, wherever the asterix is used, the footnote must be applied. How else can the footnote be read by an individual?
It never said the footnote will be defined as.

3. The footnote to be applied to the asterisk in para 2 above will read:

"This designation is without prejudice to positions on status, and is in line with UNSC 1244 and the ICJ Opinion on the Kosovo declaration of independence."