Russian Ambassador Aleksandr Konuzin says his country is not opposed to Serbia joining the EU, but that Serbia should decide on the price it was ready to pay.
On 9 September 2008, a Parliament of Serbia have ratified the Stabilisation and Association Agreement (SAA) with the EU. The European Commission (EC) welcomes the ratification of the Stabilisation and Association Agreement (SAA) by the Serbian parliament.
Few days later, on 15 September 2008, the Netherlands froze the trade related part of a pre-accession deal (SAA) with Serbia for entire EU.
Month later, on 16 October 2008, the Serbian government unilaterally decided to begin implementing the Interim Trade agreement with the EU starting 1 January 2009.
And this goes on to this day.
Meaning, all EU produced goods are imported to Serbia duty-free. Goods produced in Serbia are not duty-free in EU!!
While many domestic companies were unable to compete with foreign imports, and went out of business, competitive exporters were made uncompetitive due to high duties imposed by EU.
Result - record unemployment in Serbia since 1953!
Lately, exporters are looking for new markets (since EU market is closed for them for the most part).
Here is article from July 2011 in Balkan Chronicles titled "Serbia's trade with Russia is steadily growing..."
"....export from Serbia increased as much as 71 percent...", etc. etc.
This might even attract considerable foreign investment, so badly needed in Serbia.
Recently, leader of one Chinese trade delegations stated "The free trade route between the Republic of Serbia and the Russian Federation is a great advantage for China as a successful exporting economy."
Serbia is the only country outside former Soviet Union that has free-trade agreement with Russia.
We, of course, understand Dutch objections to SAA "until Mladic is apprehended" (wait, he was apprehended while ago, what's an excuse now? who knows?), but we have to export our good somewhere too.
Trade relationship with Russia might be a lifeline for Serbia right now. To cut this lifeline for more EU promises would be foolish.
For something concrete, perhaps....but not for empty promises.
"Or follow the lead of those successful EU members, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. All the young people have now left these former prosperous Soviet Republics and work as builders, cleaners and prostitutes in Britain, France, and Germany. "
Why not follow the lead of those successful EU members Slovenia, Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic with strongly improved their living standards? For example, many Poles who were working in GB returned to their homeland because it doesn't pay off any more to work far away.
Russia has never attacked Serbia. Russia has only helped Serbia and the people in Northern Kosovo. What has the U.S. and its viceroy, the EU done for Serbia???? I don't see America and the EU supplying the North of Kosovo with supplies. Can any of you pro EU defactors explain this????
Its obvious, choose the partner that has helped you the most, not attacked you.
It seems that just as in the days of jugoslavija, the most pragmatic and obvious choice for Serbia is to exploit the east/west divide. Hopefully Serbia's leaders take a page out of Tito's book so that the country can reap the benefits that both hemispheres offer while being beholden to none. Prosperity with freedom.
From an external like me is unbeliveable how in the 2012 an ambassador of a foreign country can make this "hard takle" into the domestic affairs of the country in which he resides...Probably neither in Africa certian things are allowed nowdays...These speeches reminds me of Latin America where i once was when the USA ambassador usually intervened directly into the politics of the governament...
(Luigi, 21 February 2012 17:21)
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Take a look at a documentary by John Pilger called War on Democracy.
Now these people don't only hold speeches but they start civil wars and they are not Russians.
This friend of Serbia is only stating a fact. It is not a threat but a fact. I wonder how many people can tell the difference between the two. Why would anyone be angry when presented with facts? Knowledge is a weapon and the more you are informed the better armed you are and our Russian friend is only providing us with a valuable piece of information. Can anyone deny that once in EU Serbia will not be allowed to keep this trade agreement with Russia?
From what cartoon did you come out of. each of of your posts is bunch of fascistic propaganda! You boys missed the point of the article. The decision has already been named. They are naming streets after russian army. How apropriate Serbia becoming a part of the Russian federation and screwing up all of Tadic-Merkel plans.
Also on Tuesday in Čačak, Konuzin attended a ceremony when one of the streets in the town was named after the Red Army.
From an external like me is unbeliveable how in the 2012 an ambassador of a foreign country can make this "hard takle" into the domestic affairs of the country in which he resides...Probably neither in Africa certian things are allowed nowdays...These speeches reminds me of Latin America where i once was when the USA ambassador usually intervened directly into the politics of the governament...
(Luigi, 21 February 2012 17:21)
The west does it as a normal course of events. Its just that its not published in the free press. Its not just the US but UK, France etc (why if you look at yesterday’s stories you will see where the German Ambassador in Belgrade Wolfram Maas was told to keep his nose out of Serbia’s politics. Why if you go to B92 achives you will see the US Ambassador doing the same.
Its nothing new; its just that the west has trained you to only look one way.
seems to me that joining the EU is a bad idea. yes, some markets will open up to Serb products, but more will be imported than exported. Serbs people will become part of the slave labor force from the eastern EU that western EU members use. Serbia and its people will lose their independence
This is about Russia's interests in the outcome of a Serbian EU member. Don't forget that Moscow loves the Serbs but loves her own interests even more.
Serbia, join the EU and you too can be as rich as the Bulgarians, Romanians and Greeks!
Or follow the lead of those successful EU members, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. All the young people have now left these former prosperous Soviet Republics and work as builders, cleaners and prostitutes in Britain, France, and Germany.
Yes, join the EU and commit collective suicide. I am looking forward to seeing Croatia replicate these success stories.
"Comm Parisson, what you missed in the article was: These exports are exempt from customs duties. - comprende, Amigo? The EU is so duty laden, that the profit margin is minimal. "
(winston, 21 February 2012 18:41)
In case you don't know: Serbia has a signed and ratified SAA with the EU, which exempts all goods imported from Serbia to the EU from custom duties (except for a few groups of products which have a limited contingent). Btw: There are products that are excluded from the Serbia-Russian free trade agreement, too.
From an external like me is unbeliveable how in the 2012 an ambassador of a foreign country can make this "hard takle" into the domestic affairs of the country in which he resides...Probably neither in Africa certian things are allowed nowdays...These speeches reminds me of Latin America where i once was when the USA ambassador usually intervened directly into the politics of the governament...
(Luigi, 21 February 2012 17:21)
The USA ambassador usually intervened directly into Serbia's politics as well and Konuzin has to follow in order not to lag behind.
Comm Parisson, what you missed in the article was: These exports are exempt from customs duties. - comprende, Amigo? The EU is so duty laden, that the profit margin is minimal. The EU, is not favorable for any of the Eastern European countries concerning exports, but favorable for the EU concerning imports. Do you get an idea why the German economy became so strong?
Totally weird Serbia has to suitors EU with all its BS and Russia with even more BS. I think Serbia should get hitched to Russia and move to Siberia. Lots of room for its moronic BS Greater Serbia in the new O-blast of Great Serbia then it can claim all of Siberia. Because it sounds so similar to Serbia its ancient home yap then Russia can see experience how fun it will be with them the two deserve each other.
Don't worry Mr. Konuzin, soon Tomislav Nikolic will be in power. God be willing, you will soon officially have a base in Serbia (Nis). Maybe you can expand to another base in Northern Kosovo. Good things come to those that are patient, sit tight, perhaps Serbia might become a Russian Republic. Just imagine, the Russian Republic of Serbia. Wow!!!!
"Konuzin noted that Serbia exports a large portion of its products to the Russian market, and that the annual value of this trade reaches USD 800mn."
But still the largest portion of Serbian export goes to the EU (about 3.2bn EUR in 2009), with Italy and Germany each being even more important than Russia with an export >$1bn. The most important export partner for Serbia is Bosnia and Herzegovina, btw.
From an external like me is unbeliveable how in the 2012 an ambassador of a foreign country can make this "hard takle" into the domestic affairs of the country in which he resides...Probably neither in Africa certian things are allowed nowdays...These speeches reminds me of Latin America where i once was when the USA ambassador usually intervened directly into the politics of the governament...
Don't worry Mr. Konuzin, soon Tomislav Nikolic will be in power. God be willing, you will soon officially have a base in Serbia (Nis). Maybe you can expand to another base in Northern Kosovo. Good things come to those that are patient, sit tight, perhaps Serbia might become a Russian Republic. Just imagine, the Russian Republic of Serbia. Wow!!!!
Serbia, join the EU and you too can be as rich as the Bulgarians, Romanians and Greeks!
Or follow the lead of those successful EU members, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. All the young people have now left these former prosperous Soviet Republics and work as builders, cleaners and prostitutes in Britain, France, and Germany.
Yes, join the EU and commit collective suicide. I am looking forward to seeing Croatia replicate these success stories.
seems to me that joining the EU is a bad idea. yes, some markets will open up to Serb products, but more will be imported than exported. Serbs people will become part of the slave labor force from the eastern EU that western EU members use. Serbia and its people will lose their independence
From an external like me is unbeliveable how in the 2012 an ambassador of a foreign country can make this "hard takle" into the domestic affairs of the country in which he resides...Probably neither in Africa certian things are allowed nowdays...These speeches reminds me of Latin America where i once was when the USA ambassador usually intervened directly into the politics of the governament...
(Luigi, 21 February 2012 17:21)
The west does it as a normal course of events. Its just that its not published in the free press. Its not just the US but UK, France etc (why if you look at yesterday’s stories you will see where the German Ambassador in Belgrade Wolfram Maas was told to keep his nose out of Serbia’s politics. Why if you go to B92 achives you will see the US Ambassador doing the same.
Its nothing new; its just that the west has trained you to only look one way.
Comm Parisson, what you missed in the article was: These exports are exempt from customs duties. - comprende, Amigo? The EU is so duty laden, that the profit margin is minimal. The EU, is not favorable for any of the Eastern European countries concerning exports, but favorable for the EU concerning imports. Do you get an idea why the German economy became so strong?
From an external like me is unbeliveable how in the 2012 an ambassador of a foreign country can make this "hard takle" into the domestic affairs of the country in which he resides...Probably neither in Africa certian things are allowed nowdays...These speeches reminds me of Latin America where i once was when the USA ambassador usually intervened directly into the politics of the governament...
"Konuzin noted that Serbia exports a large portion of its products to the Russian market, and that the annual value of this trade reaches USD 800mn."
But still the largest portion of Serbian export goes to the EU (about 3.2bn EUR in 2009), with Italy and Germany each being even more important than Russia with an export >$1bn. The most important export partner for Serbia is Bosnia and Herzegovina, btw.
From what cartoon did you come out of. each of of your posts is bunch of fascistic propaganda! You boys missed the point of the article. The decision has already been named. They are naming streets after russian army. How apropriate Serbia becoming a part of the Russian federation and screwing up all of Tadic-Merkel plans.
Also on Tuesday in Čačak, Konuzin attended a ceremony when one of the streets in the town was named after the Red Army.
From an external like me is unbeliveable how in the 2012 an ambassador of a foreign country can make this "hard takle" into the domestic affairs of the country in which he resides...Probably neither in Africa certian things are allowed nowdays...These speeches reminds me of Latin America where i once was when the USA ambassador usually intervened directly into the politics of the governament...
(Luigi, 21 February 2012 17:21)
The USA ambassador usually intervened directly into Serbia's politics as well and Konuzin has to follow in order not to lag behind.
Totally weird Serbia has to suitors EU with all its BS and Russia with even more BS. I think Serbia should get hitched to Russia and move to Siberia. Lots of room for its moronic BS Greater Serbia in the new O-blast of Great Serbia then it can claim all of Siberia. Because it sounds so similar to Serbia its ancient home yap then Russia can see experience how fun it will be with them the two deserve each other.
This is about Russia's interests in the outcome of a Serbian EU member. Don't forget that Moscow loves the Serbs but loves her own interests even more.
"Comm Parisson, what you missed in the article was: These exports are exempt from customs duties. - comprende, Amigo? The EU is so duty laden, that the profit margin is minimal. "
(winston, 21 February 2012 18:41)
In case you don't know: Serbia has a signed and ratified SAA with the EU, which exempts all goods imported from Serbia to the EU from custom duties (except for a few groups of products which have a limited contingent). Btw: There are products that are excluded from the Serbia-Russian free trade agreement, too.
From an external like me is unbeliveable how in the 2012 an ambassador of a foreign country can make this "hard takle" into the domestic affairs of the country in which he resides...Probably neither in Africa certian things are allowed nowdays...These speeches reminds me of Latin America where i once was when the USA ambassador usually intervened directly into the politics of the governament...
(Luigi, 21 February 2012 17:21)
=============================
Take a look at a documentary by John Pilger called War on Democracy.
Now these people don't only hold speeches but they start civil wars and they are not Russians.
This friend of Serbia is only stating a fact. It is not a threat but a fact. I wonder how many people can tell the difference between the two. Why would anyone be angry when presented with facts? Knowledge is a weapon and the more you are informed the better armed you are and our Russian friend is only providing us with a valuable piece of information. Can anyone deny that once in EU Serbia will not be allowed to keep this trade agreement with Russia?
Russia has never attacked Serbia. Russia has only helped Serbia and the people in Northern Kosovo. What has the U.S. and its viceroy, the EU done for Serbia???? I don't see America and the EU supplying the North of Kosovo with supplies. Can any of you pro EU defactors explain this????
Its obvious, choose the partner that has helped you the most, not attacked you.
On 9 September 2008, a Parliament of Serbia have ratified the Stabilisation and Association Agreement (SAA) with the EU. The European Commission (EC) welcomes the ratification of the Stabilisation and Association Agreement (SAA) by the Serbian parliament.
Few days later, on 15 September 2008, the Netherlands froze the trade related part of a pre-accession deal (SAA) with Serbia for entire EU.
Month later, on 16 October 2008, the Serbian government unilaterally decided to begin implementing the Interim Trade agreement with the EU starting 1 January 2009.
And this goes on to this day.
Meaning, all EU produced goods are imported to Serbia duty-free. Goods produced in Serbia are not duty-free in EU!!
While many domestic companies were unable to compete with foreign imports, and went out of business, competitive exporters were made uncompetitive due to high duties imposed by EU.
Result - record unemployment in Serbia since 1953!
Lately, exporters are looking for new markets (since EU market is closed for them for the most part).
Here is article from July 2011 in Balkan Chronicles titled "Serbia's trade with Russia is steadily growing..."
"....export from Serbia increased as much as 71 percent...", etc. etc.
This might even attract considerable foreign investment, so badly needed in Serbia.
Recently, leader of one Chinese trade delegations stated "The free trade route between the Republic of Serbia and the Russian Federation is a great advantage for China as a successful exporting economy."
Serbia is the only country outside former Soviet Union that has free-trade agreement with Russia.
We, of course, understand Dutch objections to SAA "until Mladic is apprehended" (wait, he was apprehended while ago, what's an excuse now? who knows?), but we have to export our good somewhere too.
Trade relationship with Russia might be a lifeline for Serbia right now. To cut this lifeline for more EU promises would be foolish.
For something concrete, perhaps....but not for empty promises.
"Or follow the lead of those successful EU members, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. All the young people have now left these former prosperous Soviet Republics and work as builders, cleaners and prostitutes in Britain, France, and Germany. "
Why not follow the lead of those successful EU members Slovenia, Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic with strongly improved their living standards? For example, many Poles who were working in GB returned to their homeland because it doesn't pay off any more to work far away.
It seems that just as in the days of jugoslavija, the most pragmatic and obvious choice for Serbia is to exploit the east/west divide. Hopefully Serbia's leaders take a page out of Tito's book so that the country can reap the benefits that both hemispheres offer while being beholden to none. Prosperity with freedom.
Totally weird Serbia has to suitors EU with all its BS and Russia with even more BS. I think Serbia should get hitched to Russia and move to Siberia. Lots of room for its moronic BS Greater Serbia in the new O-blast of Great Serbia then it can claim all of Siberia. Because it sounds so similar to Serbia its ancient home yap then Russia can see experience how fun it will be with them the two deserve each other.
From an external like me is unbeliveable how in the 2012 an ambassador of a foreign country can make this "hard takle" into the domestic affairs of the country in which he resides...Probably neither in Africa certian things are allowed nowdays...These speeches reminds me of Latin America where i once was when the USA ambassador usually intervened directly into the politics of the governament...
Don't worry Mr. Konuzin, soon Tomislav Nikolic will be in power. God be willing, you will soon officially have a base in Serbia (Nis). Maybe you can expand to another base in Northern Kosovo. Good things come to those that are patient, sit tight, perhaps Serbia might become a Russian Republic. Just imagine, the Russian Republic of Serbia. Wow!!!!
This is about Russia's interests in the outcome of a Serbian EU member. Don't forget that Moscow loves the Serbs but loves her own interests even more.
Serbia, join the EU and you too can be as rich as the Bulgarians, Romanians and Greeks!
Or follow the lead of those successful EU members, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. All the young people have now left these former prosperous Soviet Republics and work as builders, cleaners and prostitutes in Britain, France, and Germany.
Yes, join the EU and commit collective suicide. I am looking forward to seeing Croatia replicate these success stories.
Comm Parisson, what you missed in the article was: These exports are exempt from customs duties. - comprende, Amigo? The EU is so duty laden, that the profit margin is minimal. The EU, is not favorable for any of the Eastern European countries concerning exports, but favorable for the EU concerning imports. Do you get an idea why the German economy became so strong?
From an external like me is unbeliveable how in the 2012 an ambassador of a foreign country can make this "hard takle" into the domestic affairs of the country in which he resides...Probably neither in Africa certian things are allowed nowdays...These speeches reminds me of Latin America where i once was when the USA ambassador usually intervened directly into the politics of the governament...
(Luigi, 21 February 2012 17:21)
The USA ambassador usually intervened directly into Serbia's politics as well and Konuzin has to follow in order not to lag behind.
seems to me that joining the EU is a bad idea. yes, some markets will open up to Serb products, but more will be imported than exported. Serbs people will become part of the slave labor force from the eastern EU that western EU members use. Serbia and its people will lose their independence
From what cartoon did you come out of. each of of your posts is bunch of fascistic propaganda! You boys missed the point of the article. The decision has already been named. They are naming streets after russian army. How apropriate Serbia becoming a part of the Russian federation and screwing up all of Tadic-Merkel plans.
Also on Tuesday in Čačak, Konuzin attended a ceremony when one of the streets in the town was named after the Red Army.
"Konuzin noted that Serbia exports a large portion of its products to the Russian market, and that the annual value of this trade reaches USD 800mn."
But still the largest portion of Serbian export goes to the EU (about 3.2bn EUR in 2009), with Italy and Germany each being even more important than Russia with an export >$1bn. The most important export partner for Serbia is Bosnia and Herzegovina, btw.
"Comm Parisson, what you missed in the article was: These exports are exempt from customs duties. - comprende, Amigo? The EU is so duty laden, that the profit margin is minimal. "
(winston, 21 February 2012 18:41)
In case you don't know: Serbia has a signed and ratified SAA with the EU, which exempts all goods imported from Serbia to the EU from custom duties (except for a few groups of products which have a limited contingent). Btw: There are products that are excluded from the Serbia-Russian free trade agreement, too.
From an external like me is unbeliveable how in the 2012 an ambassador of a foreign country can make this "hard takle" into the domestic affairs of the country in which he resides...Probably neither in Africa certian things are allowed nowdays...These speeches reminds me of Latin America where i once was when the USA ambassador usually intervened directly into the politics of the governament...
(Luigi, 21 February 2012 17:21)
The west does it as a normal course of events. Its just that its not published in the free press. Its not just the US but UK, France etc (why if you look at yesterday’s stories you will see where the German Ambassador in Belgrade Wolfram Maas was told to keep his nose out of Serbia’s politics. Why if you go to B92 achives you will see the US Ambassador doing the same.
Its nothing new; its just that the west has trained you to only look one way.
It seems that just as in the days of jugoslavija, the most pragmatic and obvious choice for Serbia is to exploit the east/west divide. Hopefully Serbia's leaders take a page out of Tito's book so that the country can reap the benefits that both hemispheres offer while being beholden to none. Prosperity with freedom.
Russia has never attacked Serbia. Russia has only helped Serbia and the people in Northern Kosovo. What has the U.S. and its viceroy, the EU done for Serbia???? I don't see America and the EU supplying the North of Kosovo with supplies. Can any of you pro EU defactors explain this????
Its obvious, choose the partner that has helped you the most, not attacked you.
"Or follow the lead of those successful EU members, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. All the young people have now left these former prosperous Soviet Republics and work as builders, cleaners and prostitutes in Britain, France, and Germany. "
Why not follow the lead of those successful EU members Slovenia, Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic with strongly improved their living standards? For example, many Poles who were working in GB returned to their homeland because it doesn't pay off any more to work far away.
From an external like me is unbeliveable how in the 2012 an ambassador of a foreign country can make this "hard takle" into the domestic affairs of the country in which he resides...Probably neither in Africa certian things are allowed nowdays...These speeches reminds me of Latin America where i once was when the USA ambassador usually intervened directly into the politics of the governament...
(Luigi, 21 February 2012 17:21)
=============================
Take a look at a documentary by John Pilger called War on Democracy.
Now these people don't only hold speeches but they start civil wars and they are not Russians.
This friend of Serbia is only stating a fact. It is not a threat but a fact. I wonder how many people can tell the difference between the two. Why would anyone be angry when presented with facts? Knowledge is a weapon and the more you are informed the better armed you are and our Russian friend is only providing us with a valuable piece of information. Can anyone deny that once in EU Serbia will not be allowed to keep this trade agreement with Russia?
On 9 September 2008, a Parliament of Serbia have ratified the Stabilisation and Association Agreement (SAA) with the EU. The European Commission (EC) welcomes the ratification of the Stabilisation and Association Agreement (SAA) by the Serbian parliament.
Few days later, on 15 September 2008, the Netherlands froze the trade related part of a pre-accession deal (SAA) with Serbia for entire EU.
Month later, on 16 October 2008, the Serbian government unilaterally decided to begin implementing the Interim Trade agreement with the EU starting 1 January 2009.
And this goes on to this day.
Meaning, all EU produced goods are imported to Serbia duty-free. Goods produced in Serbia are not duty-free in EU!!
While many domestic companies were unable to compete with foreign imports, and went out of business, competitive exporters were made uncompetitive due to high duties imposed by EU.
Result - record unemployment in Serbia since 1953!
Lately, exporters are looking for new markets (since EU market is closed for them for the most part).
Here is article from July 2011 in Balkan Chronicles titled "Serbia's trade with Russia is steadily growing..."
"....export from Serbia increased as much as 71 percent...", etc. etc.
This might even attract considerable foreign investment, so badly needed in Serbia.
Recently, leader of one Chinese trade delegations stated "The free trade route between the Republic of Serbia and the Russian Federation is a great advantage for China as a successful exporting economy."
Serbia is the only country outside former Soviet Union that has free-trade agreement with Russia.
We, of course, understand Dutch objections to SAA "until Mladic is apprehended" (wait, he was apprehended while ago, what's an excuse now? who knows?), but we have to export our good somewhere too.
Trade relationship with Russia might be a lifeline for Serbia right now. To cut this lifeline for more EU promises would be foolish.
For something concrete, perhaps....but not for empty promises.
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