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Wednesday, 15.02.2012.

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"Kosovo to be represented with constitutional name"

Kosovo should be represented in regional forums and initiatives under the name recognized by 87 countries in the world, say Kosovo Albanian officials.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

Kosovo should be represented by the internationally legally valid and accepted name, i.e. Kosovo (under UN1244)"
(Comm. Parrisson, 15 February 2012 14:56)

I fullu agree... "Kosovo" is in accordance with the UDI and hence in accordance with 1244 and international law

edi

pre 12 godina

Serbs should get over it and look for their best. they should not just accept Kosovo as a state but also say sorry for their crimes. don't come over here to talk history we all know well the history and we saw what Serbs did from 1982 to 1999. Albanians will never and ever be under Serb rule anymore and i feel so sorry that even the liberals and vi sonars of Serbia haven't realize that yet. Serbs push u government to accept Kosovo and trust me it will be for the best of you! if u need a history book go and read a short history of Kosovo noel Malcolm and after come and talk about history! reality is this and you should face that!

Ozzi

pre 12 godina

Ivan
"Albanians never ever lived better than they did during the time of yugoslavia"
Was this before milosovic or during ? Seeing as you brought it up, all the people's of Yugoslavia had it better, it was the only passport that one could travel west and east.
Albanians suffered under the ottoman empire also, forced to change religions children being taken, just like the rest of the Balkans, Albanians were the last to be subdued and the last to awake. If u go to Istanbul you will see many assimilted
Serbs Albanians Greeks Bosnians. You might have a relative there also Ivan

ivan

pre 12 godina

dor tirana is simply a paid drone on these websites. YOUR DILLUSIONAL at best. Albanians of muslim descent is what is left over from the ottoman empire. Thats why they destroy every orthodox chuirch possible, and seek constant revenge on Serbs for their turkish brothers. Dori sits down with a bunch of BS so called facts and trys to pass them off as if they were true. Albanians never ever lived better than they did during the time of yugoslavia, and ive heard this from more than a few albanians(at least sane ones). I cant imagine how badly the k albanians will be crying when all of there efforts crumble and the ottoman empire is defeated once again.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

Maybe you had problems with my previous link. I'm sorry here is the right one.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150460177112210&set=a.190745407209.127198.182132672209&type=1&theater

pss

pre 12 godina

By the way: We in Western Europe are trying to get sick of this Kosovo soap..
(Ron, 16 February 2012 13:47)
You should never use "we" because you speak for no one.
However being from Holland, supposedly, you should say WE from Holland do support and recognize Kosovo as an independent state.

Ron

pre 12 godina

On South Sudan:

Indeed, this is a result of a mutual agreed deal. Like Eritrea and Slovakia. That is fine, of course.
Kosovo made a UDI. Not fine, of course.

Or do we also recognize Tibet, Northern Cyprus, Abkhazia, ...

No double standards!

By the way: We in Western Europe are trying to get sick of this Kosovo soap..

ozzi

pre 12 godina

i love the way sj strings together abuse and opinions and myths
( you must feel amazing )
if you applied the same amount of energy towards writing something that contributes and enhances, you would have a captive audience rather than the chest banging in the background and we would all be better for it

ozzi

pre 12 godina

(Balkan psydoanthropologist, 16 February 2012 01:07)
acctually i expected a little more from the serbians, an anthropologist than put downs, it shows your insecurities and fear when comfronted with things you can not explain and dont understand. why are albanians in the painting of the great serb migration (from kosovo)? or why are the serbians wearing albanian clothing?

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

LOL if you're going to try to pass yourself off as a dim witted Albanian troll, try being less, well, dumb. Referring to a well known Serbian painting and a well known Serbian historical event and then attempting to somehow argue that Orthodox Albanians are the ones in the photo being led by a Serbian patriarch not only kills the idea you're an Albanian intellectual, but also kills the idea that Albanians have any claim to Kosovo since the painting shows them leaving Kosovo instead of migrating to it. Not even Hoxha was crazy enough to make up the story you claim.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 16 February 2012 01:07)

Dear your knowledge is very scarce and dominated by the fixation that Albanian is predominately Muslim. During the so called great Serb migration the Albanians was predominately Christian. The Orthodox Albanian in North was led by Serbian patriarch and Albanian in the south was led by Greek patriarch. The notion of Nation was less important during that time than the notion Religion. You have difficulty dear to follow the dynamic of history. If you have knowledge for the census during Ottoman Empire, the people was counted by Religion not Ethnicity. With this you and Greeks has always abused with Albanian orthodox counting them for Serbs and Greeks. Greeks are doing this even today counting the Albanian orthodox in south Albania as Greek minority.
As I see you don’t have knowledge in folk costume.
To enrich your knowledge here is another link for an old photo of Decani Monastery.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10150460177112210&set=a.190745407209.127198.182132672209&type=1&theater

New Zealander

pre 12 godina

(Andrew Beaumont, 15 February 2012 21:47)

the same arguments that were used by South Sudan (who declaired her independece after Kosova) apply to Kosova as well.

The difference is that North Sudan does not have 100% Russian backing and her veto power in UN SC, unlike Serbia that does.

This is the ONLY difference, and yes I know it is dusgusting.
(ben, 15 February 2012 23:09)

Wrong! (again)

South Sudan was granted independence as a result of Negotiations, something the Kosovo Albanians are somehow unable to do

Ron

pre 12 godina

As a neutral outsider (not from Serbia or Balkan) I got an idea:

Represent Kosovo under the name the UN recognizes it: Serbian province of Kosovo?

Everybody agrees with this? Fine! Then lets focus on all other problems the Balkan region has...

Ozzi

pre 12 godina

(Balkan Anthropologist, 16 February 2012 01:07)
Are you saying the Serbians of Kosovo are wearing Albanian clothing? As a Balkan anthropologist. There were many cultures living under the Byzantine Serbian ottoman empires

sj

pre 12 godina

Learn your history and stop polluting knowledge gene pool with your thoughts. Sitting on a pedestal looking down on us and belittling history of others and distorting truths. Soon with time the distortion of our histories will be corrected
Here's a painting by Peja jovanovic of the great Serb migration of only orthodox Albanians ( notice the crapy albanian clothing) leaving Kosovo and being led by Serbian soldiers and orthodox priests. As a nationalist you should be well aware it hangs in the museum of Belgrade. What is the significance of this painting? I'll only leave you a crumb and the rest is up to you

[link]
(Ozzi, 16 February 2012 00:07)


I take my hat off to you. I have read some intelligent posts and some dumb ones on B92, but you sir would have to the stupidest man I have had the misfortune of coming across in my life. I can tell that is not any easy achievement either as I have come across a few so far.

A Serb painter painting a picture of Orthodox Albanians being led by Serb soldiers and the then Patriarch of the Serbian Orthodox Church and calling it the migration of Serbs. If I thought about it for one hundred years I would never come to that conclusion, but here is a hint for you. The Serbs of that time were wearing similar cloths to the Turks as they were ruled by them for nearly 600 years – it my guess but I maybe wrong.

Congratulations on impressing me.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

(Ozzi, 16 February 2012 00:07)

LOL if you're going to try to pass yourself off as a dim witted Albanian troll, try being less, well, dumb. Referring to a well known Serbian painting and a well known Serbian historical event and then attempting to somehow argue that Orthodox Albanians are the ones in the photo being led by a Serbian patriarch not only kills the idea you're an Albanian intellectual, but also kills the idea that Albanians have any claim to Kosovo since the painting shows them leaving Kosovo instead of migrating to it. Not even Hoxha was crazy enough to make up the story you claim.

Ozzi

pre 12 godina

Ivan
Learn your history and stop polluting knowledge gene pool with your thoughts. Sitting on a pedestal looking down on us and belittling history of others and distorting truths. Soon with time the distortion of our histories will be corrected
Here's a painting by Peja jovanovic of the great Serb migration of only orthodox Albanians ( notice the crapy albanian clothing) leaving Kosovo and being led by Serbian soldiers and orthodox priests. As a nationalist you should be well aware it hangs in the museum of Belgrade. What is the significance of this painting? I'll only leave you a crumb and the rest is up to you

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Serb_Migrations

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

Dear Ivan, yes I have wishes. I wish that never Albanian or whatever nationality suffers the oppression of Albanians of Yugoslavia. I also wish that I live another 50 years. So I bet my money that for 50 years the Albanian will not suffer another Serbian Apartheid. This means that Kosova will be out of sovereignty of Serbia. Do you want to bet your wish with my wish? I bet 50 years you can bet 5,10,20,30,300,3000 whatever you want,

ben

pre 12 godina

(Andrew Beaumont, 15 February 2012 21:47)

the same arguments that were used by South Sudan (who declaired her independece after Kosova) apply to Kosova as well.

The difference is that North Sudan does not have 100% Russian backing and her veto power in UN SC, unlike Serbia that does.

This is the ONLY difference, and yes I know it is dusgusting.

Andrew Beaumont

pre 12 godina

87 sovereign states, and the UN, recognise Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence. 109 states representing (with Russia and China and India) a significant majority of world population have not yet done so despite the Kosovo administration's feverish efforts. Whatever the reason for a state's recognition or otherwise, Kosovo has yet to demonstrate that it is entitled to equal-terms representation in any international forum. As an undecided observer, I remain to be convinced that Serbia should accede to any argument for recognition - unless and until Kosovo makes a convincing case, acceptable to the majority of states and individuals, who currently and with good reason doubt its motives. If I should live that long, I look forward to similar debates which will follow the unilateral declaration of independence by South Yorkshire, in England, of my own country, Scotland, or even - and this would be fun, Alaska. In such an event, will the Western powers-that-be and their tame followers be happy to follow the Kosovo precedent? Probably not.

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

Careful Ivan, you're about to combust. what else have you left appart from writing empty threats? nothing.

as for this, it really doesn't look like Kosova has to agree to anything if they don't want to. bye bye EU and all that eh?

ivan

pre 12 godina

Ivan I don’t know your age, but I add your wish to the long list of childish wishes of lot of Serbs here. So bad that in statehood day of Serbia the citizens of Serbia make so naïve wishes. Let me make a puzzle for you. What do you think 87 is a decreasing number or increasing one?
(dori tirana, 15 February 2012 15:50)

Soon it will be your wish that will no longer be a reality. You talk as if you are not a theif. You stole Serbian land. PLease stop your sleazy bragging as if you come from a respectable society. Not once in its history has albania been looked at as a helpful memeber of society. And before you make a comment saying the same for Serbs, remember that its was us who always was on the right side in major wars, while albania was part of Germanys side always in the past 100 years. So there you have it, fascist and loyal to the German government albania shall remain. You represent all of the worst invasions of Serbia ever. The ottomans, the Axis powers, and now The KLA( the Kleptos Liberation Army). my age shouldnt matter much, considering you only have to be 10 years old to understand how moronic the k albanians are being. ONce Serbia finally walks away from the EU, i would start packing my bags if i was a k albanian, at least you will be prepared then. Your criminal games are coming to an end. You will never become a member of the UN so you will never be legit. Thank you China and Russia for that.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

"Kosovo to be represented with constitutional name"

You mean the "Autonomous Serbian Province of Kosovo and Metohija"? Ok, sounds good. Oh wait, they mean THEIR constitution. Ah, ok well then that changes the game a little since THEIR constitution is apparently recognized by 80 or so countries (87 seems high as a few countries out of that have only recognized according to Pacolli). What about the other 100 to 110 or so? Seems somewhat lopsided, but Albanians have a nasty tendency of looking and believing only what they want to see.

"relations between Kosovo and Serbia should be based on reciprocity"

Good. Take a look at how Albanians live in the north. Take an even closer look at the untouched Albanian cemetery and consider that the next time one of your kids wants to take a dump in a church or knock over a head stone, or shoot at a bus of Serbs. Silly silly Jahjaga. She gives me the impression of someone clearly in over her head in the job Christopher Dell put her hin :)

ivan

pre 12 godina

I guess albanians want to change more rules. 87 countries is not enough buddy. PLus i guarantee if they all those 87 countries had to go back and decide to recognize, alot of them wouldnt.

I too belive in the strict reciprocity relationship! Serbia should go full force in Kosovo and take back what is theirs! Albanians act so innocent. Cut the act you are guilty theives. You never offered anything to Serbia even when you were sane and realized that kosovo is Serbia.Now the leaches want to control the body and brain.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

1.I guess albanians want to change more rules. 87 countries is not enough buddy. PLus i guarantee if they all those 87 countries had to go back and decide to recognize, alot of them wouldnt.
(ivan, 15 February 2012 15:03)
Ivan I don’t know your age, but I add your wish to the long list of childish wishes of lot of Serbs here. So bad that in statehood day of Serbia the citizens of Serbia make so naïve wishes. Let me make a puzzle for you. What do you think 87 is a decreasing number or increasing one?

winston

pre 12 godina

"relations between Kosovo and Serbia should be based on reciprocity" OK, does that mean that Serbs should start stoning Albanian buses, desecrating Albanian cemeteries, burning, robbing, and urinating in Albanian mosques? How would you like that, Pristina? As always, Albanians only see things their way, and not the civilized and honest way.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Kosovo should be represented in regional forums and initiatives under the name recognized by 87 countries in the world, say Kosovo Albanian officials."

"Kosovo should be represented by the internationally legally valid and accepted name, i.e. Kosovo (under UN1244)" says

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

"relations between Kosovo and Serbia should be based on reciprocity", her office said in a release.

I love that but I would add the word "strict".
(EA, 15 February 2012 13:34)

No more Serbs in Prishtina and many other places in Kosovo - no more Albanians living in central Serbia "individually", only in isolated ghettos.

EA

pre 12 godina

"relations between Kosovo and Serbia should be based on reciprocity", her office said in a release.

I love that but I would add the word "strict".

Martin Roberti

pre 12 godina

It is not troth that it is a Kosovar Albanian Government. It is the Government of Kosovo. Why? Because there are 4 Kosovars Serbs in the same Government. One deputy Prime Minister Mr.Slobodan Petrovic, and 3 other ministers in the Government of Kosovo are also Kosovar Serbs. So please do inform properly.

winston

pre 12 godina

The children are stomping their feet, and demanding from their step parents more demands, or they will hold their breath until they turn blue. What a freak show.

EA

pre 12 godina

"relations between Kosovo and Serbia should be based on reciprocity", her office said in a release.

I love that but I would add the word "strict".

Martin Roberti

pre 12 godina

It is not troth that it is a Kosovar Albanian Government. It is the Government of Kosovo. Why? Because there are 4 Kosovars Serbs in the same Government. One deputy Prime Minister Mr.Slobodan Petrovic, and 3 other ministers in the Government of Kosovo are also Kosovar Serbs. So please do inform properly.

ivan

pre 12 godina

I guess albanians want to change more rules. 87 countries is not enough buddy. PLus i guarantee if they all those 87 countries had to go back and decide to recognize, alot of them wouldnt.

I too belive in the strict reciprocity relationship! Serbia should go full force in Kosovo and take back what is theirs! Albanians act so innocent. Cut the act you are guilty theives. You never offered anything to Serbia even when you were sane and realized that kosovo is Serbia.Now the leaches want to control the body and brain.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Kosovo should be represented in regional forums and initiatives under the name recognized by 87 countries in the world, say Kosovo Albanian officials."

"Kosovo should be represented by the internationally legally valid and accepted name, i.e. Kosovo (under UN1244)" says

winston

pre 12 godina

The children are stomping their feet, and demanding from their step parents more demands, or they will hold their breath until they turn blue. What a freak show.

winston

pre 12 godina

"relations between Kosovo and Serbia should be based on reciprocity" OK, does that mean that Serbs should start stoning Albanian buses, desecrating Albanian cemeteries, burning, robbing, and urinating in Albanian mosques? How would you like that, Pristina? As always, Albanians only see things their way, and not the civilized and honest way.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

1.I guess albanians want to change more rules. 87 countries is not enough buddy. PLus i guarantee if they all those 87 countries had to go back and decide to recognize, alot of them wouldnt.
(ivan, 15 February 2012 15:03)
Ivan I don’t know your age, but I add your wish to the long list of childish wishes of lot of Serbs here. So bad that in statehood day of Serbia the citizens of Serbia make so naïve wishes. Let me make a puzzle for you. What do you think 87 is a decreasing number or increasing one?

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

"Kosovo to be represented with constitutional name"

You mean the "Autonomous Serbian Province of Kosovo and Metohija"? Ok, sounds good. Oh wait, they mean THEIR constitution. Ah, ok well then that changes the game a little since THEIR constitution is apparently recognized by 80 or so countries (87 seems high as a few countries out of that have only recognized according to Pacolli). What about the other 100 to 110 or so? Seems somewhat lopsided, but Albanians have a nasty tendency of looking and believing only what they want to see.

"relations between Kosovo and Serbia should be based on reciprocity"

Good. Take a look at how Albanians live in the north. Take an even closer look at the untouched Albanian cemetery and consider that the next time one of your kids wants to take a dump in a church or knock over a head stone, or shoot at a bus of Serbs. Silly silly Jahjaga. She gives me the impression of someone clearly in over her head in the job Christopher Dell put her hin :)

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

"relations between Kosovo and Serbia should be based on reciprocity", her office said in a release.

I love that but I would add the word "strict".
(EA, 15 February 2012 13:34)

No more Serbs in Prishtina and many other places in Kosovo - no more Albanians living in central Serbia "individually", only in isolated ghettos.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

(Ozzi, 16 February 2012 00:07)

LOL if you're going to try to pass yourself off as a dim witted Albanian troll, try being less, well, dumb. Referring to a well known Serbian painting and a well known Serbian historical event and then attempting to somehow argue that Orthodox Albanians are the ones in the photo being led by a Serbian patriarch not only kills the idea you're an Albanian intellectual, but also kills the idea that Albanians have any claim to Kosovo since the painting shows them leaving Kosovo instead of migrating to it. Not even Hoxha was crazy enough to make up the story you claim.

ivan

pre 12 godina

Ivan I don’t know your age, but I add your wish to the long list of childish wishes of lot of Serbs here. So bad that in statehood day of Serbia the citizens of Serbia make so naïve wishes. Let me make a puzzle for you. What do you think 87 is a decreasing number or increasing one?
(dori tirana, 15 February 2012 15:50)

Soon it will be your wish that will no longer be a reality. You talk as if you are not a theif. You stole Serbian land. PLease stop your sleazy bragging as if you come from a respectable society. Not once in its history has albania been looked at as a helpful memeber of society. And before you make a comment saying the same for Serbs, remember that its was us who always was on the right side in major wars, while albania was part of Germanys side always in the past 100 years. So there you have it, fascist and loyal to the German government albania shall remain. You represent all of the worst invasions of Serbia ever. The ottomans, the Axis powers, and now The KLA( the Kleptos Liberation Army). my age shouldnt matter much, considering you only have to be 10 years old to understand how moronic the k albanians are being. ONce Serbia finally walks away from the EU, i would start packing my bags if i was a k albanian, at least you will be prepared then. Your criminal games are coming to an end. You will never become a member of the UN so you will never be legit. Thank you China and Russia for that.

Andrew Beaumont

pre 12 godina

87 sovereign states, and the UN, recognise Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence. 109 states representing (with Russia and China and India) a significant majority of world population have not yet done so despite the Kosovo administration's feverish efforts. Whatever the reason for a state's recognition or otherwise, Kosovo has yet to demonstrate that it is entitled to equal-terms representation in any international forum. As an undecided observer, I remain to be convinced that Serbia should accede to any argument for recognition - unless and until Kosovo makes a convincing case, acceptable to the majority of states and individuals, who currently and with good reason doubt its motives. If I should live that long, I look forward to similar debates which will follow the unilateral declaration of independence by South Yorkshire, in England, of my own country, Scotland, or even - and this would be fun, Alaska. In such an event, will the Western powers-that-be and their tame followers be happy to follow the Kosovo precedent? Probably not.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

Dear Ivan, yes I have wishes. I wish that never Albanian or whatever nationality suffers the oppression of Albanians of Yugoslavia. I also wish that I live another 50 years. So I bet my money that for 50 years the Albanian will not suffer another Serbian Apartheid. This means that Kosova will be out of sovereignty of Serbia. Do you want to bet your wish with my wish? I bet 50 years you can bet 5,10,20,30,300,3000 whatever you want,

sj

pre 12 godina

Learn your history and stop polluting knowledge gene pool with your thoughts. Sitting on a pedestal looking down on us and belittling history of others and distorting truths. Soon with time the distortion of our histories will be corrected
Here's a painting by Peja jovanovic of the great Serb migration of only orthodox Albanians ( notice the crapy albanian clothing) leaving Kosovo and being led by Serbian soldiers and orthodox priests. As a nationalist you should be well aware it hangs in the museum of Belgrade. What is the significance of this painting? I'll only leave you a crumb and the rest is up to you

[link]
(Ozzi, 16 February 2012 00:07)


I take my hat off to you. I have read some intelligent posts and some dumb ones on B92, but you sir would have to the stupidest man I have had the misfortune of coming across in my life. I can tell that is not any easy achievement either as I have come across a few so far.

A Serb painter painting a picture of Orthodox Albanians being led by Serb soldiers and the then Patriarch of the Serbian Orthodox Church and calling it the migration of Serbs. If I thought about it for one hundred years I would never come to that conclusion, but here is a hint for you. The Serbs of that time were wearing similar cloths to the Turks as they were ruled by them for nearly 600 years – it my guess but I maybe wrong.

Congratulations on impressing me.

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

Careful Ivan, you're about to combust. what else have you left appart from writing empty threats? nothing.

as for this, it really doesn't look like Kosova has to agree to anything if they don't want to. bye bye EU and all that eh?

Ozzi

pre 12 godina

Ivan
Learn your history and stop polluting knowledge gene pool with your thoughts. Sitting on a pedestal looking down on us and belittling history of others and distorting truths. Soon with time the distortion of our histories will be corrected
Here's a painting by Peja jovanovic of the great Serb migration of only orthodox Albanians ( notice the crapy albanian clothing) leaving Kosovo and being led by Serbian soldiers and orthodox priests. As a nationalist you should be well aware it hangs in the museum of Belgrade. What is the significance of this painting? I'll only leave you a crumb and the rest is up to you

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Serb_Migrations

New Zealander

pre 12 godina

(Andrew Beaumont, 15 February 2012 21:47)

the same arguments that were used by South Sudan (who declaired her independece after Kosova) apply to Kosova as well.

The difference is that North Sudan does not have 100% Russian backing and her veto power in UN SC, unlike Serbia that does.

This is the ONLY difference, and yes I know it is dusgusting.
(ben, 15 February 2012 23:09)

Wrong! (again)

South Sudan was granted independence as a result of Negotiations, something the Kosovo Albanians are somehow unable to do

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

LOL if you're going to try to pass yourself off as a dim witted Albanian troll, try being less, well, dumb. Referring to a well known Serbian painting and a well known Serbian historical event and then attempting to somehow argue that Orthodox Albanians are the ones in the photo being led by a Serbian patriarch not only kills the idea you're an Albanian intellectual, but also kills the idea that Albanians have any claim to Kosovo since the painting shows them leaving Kosovo instead of migrating to it. Not even Hoxha was crazy enough to make up the story you claim.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 16 February 2012 01:07)

Dear your knowledge is very scarce and dominated by the fixation that Albanian is predominately Muslim. During the so called great Serb migration the Albanians was predominately Christian. The Orthodox Albanian in North was led by Serbian patriarch and Albanian in the south was led by Greek patriarch. The notion of Nation was less important during that time than the notion Religion. You have difficulty dear to follow the dynamic of history. If you have knowledge for the census during Ottoman Empire, the people was counted by Religion not Ethnicity. With this you and Greeks has always abused with Albanian orthodox counting them for Serbs and Greeks. Greeks are doing this even today counting the Albanian orthodox in south Albania as Greek minority.
As I see you don’t have knowledge in folk costume.
To enrich your knowledge here is another link for an old photo of Decani Monastery.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10150460177112210&set=a.190745407209.127198.182132672209&type=1&theater

Ozzi

pre 12 godina

(Balkan Anthropologist, 16 February 2012 01:07)
Are you saying the Serbians of Kosovo are wearing Albanian clothing? As a Balkan anthropologist. There were many cultures living under the Byzantine Serbian ottoman empires

ozzi

pre 12 godina

(Balkan psydoanthropologist, 16 February 2012 01:07)
acctually i expected a little more from the serbians, an anthropologist than put downs, it shows your insecurities and fear when comfronted with things you can not explain and dont understand. why are albanians in the painting of the great serb migration (from kosovo)? or why are the serbians wearing albanian clothing?

Ron

pre 12 godina

On South Sudan:

Indeed, this is a result of a mutual agreed deal. Like Eritrea and Slovakia. That is fine, of course.
Kosovo made a UDI. Not fine, of course.

Or do we also recognize Tibet, Northern Cyprus, Abkhazia, ...

No double standards!

By the way: We in Western Europe are trying to get sick of this Kosovo soap..

Ron

pre 12 godina

As a neutral outsider (not from Serbia or Balkan) I got an idea:

Represent Kosovo under the name the UN recognizes it: Serbian province of Kosovo?

Everybody agrees with this? Fine! Then lets focus on all other problems the Balkan region has...

ivan

pre 12 godina

dor tirana is simply a paid drone on these websites. YOUR DILLUSIONAL at best. Albanians of muslim descent is what is left over from the ottoman empire. Thats why they destroy every orthodox chuirch possible, and seek constant revenge on Serbs for their turkish brothers. Dori sits down with a bunch of BS so called facts and trys to pass them off as if they were true. Albanians never ever lived better than they did during the time of yugoslavia, and ive heard this from more than a few albanians(at least sane ones). I cant imagine how badly the k albanians will be crying when all of there efforts crumble and the ottoman empire is defeated once again.

ben

pre 12 godina

(Andrew Beaumont, 15 February 2012 21:47)

the same arguments that were used by South Sudan (who declaired her independece after Kosova) apply to Kosova as well.

The difference is that North Sudan does not have 100% Russian backing and her veto power in UN SC, unlike Serbia that does.

This is the ONLY difference, and yes I know it is dusgusting.

pss

pre 12 godina

By the way: We in Western Europe are trying to get sick of this Kosovo soap..
(Ron, 16 February 2012 13:47)
You should never use "we" because you speak for no one.
However being from Holland, supposedly, you should say WE from Holland do support and recognize Kosovo as an independent state.

ozzi

pre 12 godina

i love the way sj strings together abuse and opinions and myths
( you must feel amazing )
if you applied the same amount of energy towards writing something that contributes and enhances, you would have a captive audience rather than the chest banging in the background and we would all be better for it

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

Maybe you had problems with my previous link. I'm sorry here is the right one.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150460177112210&set=a.190745407209.127198.182132672209&type=1&theater

Ozzi

pre 12 godina

Ivan
"Albanians never ever lived better than they did during the time of yugoslavia"
Was this before milosovic or during ? Seeing as you brought it up, all the people's of Yugoslavia had it better, it was the only passport that one could travel west and east.
Albanians suffered under the ottoman empire also, forced to change religions children being taken, just like the rest of the Balkans, Albanians were the last to be subdued and the last to awake. If u go to Istanbul you will see many assimilted
Serbs Albanians Greeks Bosnians. You might have a relative there also Ivan

edi

pre 12 godina

Serbs should get over it and look for their best. they should not just accept Kosovo as a state but also say sorry for their crimes. don't come over here to talk history we all know well the history and we saw what Serbs did from 1982 to 1999. Albanians will never and ever be under Serb rule anymore and i feel so sorry that even the liberals and vi sonars of Serbia haven't realize that yet. Serbs push u government to accept Kosovo and trust me it will be for the best of you! if u need a history book go and read a short history of Kosovo noel Malcolm and after come and talk about history! reality is this and you should face that!

icj1

pre 12 godina

Kosovo should be represented by the internationally legally valid and accepted name, i.e. Kosovo (under UN1244)"
(Comm. Parrisson, 15 February 2012 14:56)

I fullu agree... "Kosovo" is in accordance with the UDI and hence in accordance with 1244 and international law

ivan

pre 12 godina

I guess albanians want to change more rules. 87 countries is not enough buddy. PLus i guarantee if they all those 87 countries had to go back and decide to recognize, alot of them wouldnt.

I too belive in the strict reciprocity relationship! Serbia should go full force in Kosovo and take back what is theirs! Albanians act so innocent. Cut the act you are guilty theives. You never offered anything to Serbia even when you were sane and realized that kosovo is Serbia.Now the leaches want to control the body and brain.

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Kosovo should be represented in regional forums and initiatives under the name recognized by 87 countries in the world, say Kosovo Albanian officials."

"Kosovo should be represented by the internationally legally valid and accepted name, i.e. Kosovo (under UN1244)" says

winston

pre 12 godina

The children are stomping their feet, and demanding from their step parents more demands, or they will hold their breath until they turn blue. What a freak show.

Martin Roberti

pre 12 godina

It is not troth that it is a Kosovar Albanian Government. It is the Government of Kosovo. Why? Because there are 4 Kosovars Serbs in the same Government. One deputy Prime Minister Mr.Slobodan Petrovic, and 3 other ministers in the Government of Kosovo are also Kosovar Serbs. So please do inform properly.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

1.I guess albanians want to change more rules. 87 countries is not enough buddy. PLus i guarantee if they all those 87 countries had to go back and decide to recognize, alot of them wouldnt.
(ivan, 15 February 2012 15:03)
Ivan I don’t know your age, but I add your wish to the long list of childish wishes of lot of Serbs here. So bad that in statehood day of Serbia the citizens of Serbia make so naïve wishes. Let me make a puzzle for you. What do you think 87 is a decreasing number or increasing one?

EA

pre 12 godina

"relations between Kosovo and Serbia should be based on reciprocity", her office said in a release.

I love that but I would add the word "strict".

Ozzi

pre 12 godina

Ivan
Learn your history and stop polluting knowledge gene pool with your thoughts. Sitting on a pedestal looking down on us and belittling history of others and distorting truths. Soon with time the distortion of our histories will be corrected
Here's a painting by Peja jovanovic of the great Serb migration of only orthodox Albanians ( notice the crapy albanian clothing) leaving Kosovo and being led by Serbian soldiers and orthodox priests. As a nationalist you should be well aware it hangs in the museum of Belgrade. What is the significance of this painting? I'll only leave you a crumb and the rest is up to you

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Serb_Migrations

winston

pre 12 godina

"relations between Kosovo and Serbia should be based on reciprocity" OK, does that mean that Serbs should start stoning Albanian buses, desecrating Albanian cemeteries, burning, robbing, and urinating in Albanian mosques? How would you like that, Pristina? As always, Albanians only see things their way, and not the civilized and honest way.

ivan

pre 12 godina

Ivan I don’t know your age, but I add your wish to the long list of childish wishes of lot of Serbs here. So bad that in statehood day of Serbia the citizens of Serbia make so naïve wishes. Let me make a puzzle for you. What do you think 87 is a decreasing number or increasing one?
(dori tirana, 15 February 2012 15:50)

Soon it will be your wish that will no longer be a reality. You talk as if you are not a theif. You stole Serbian land. PLease stop your sleazy bragging as if you come from a respectable society. Not once in its history has albania been looked at as a helpful memeber of society. And before you make a comment saying the same for Serbs, remember that its was us who always was on the right side in major wars, while albania was part of Germanys side always in the past 100 years. So there you have it, fascist and loyal to the German government albania shall remain. You represent all of the worst invasions of Serbia ever. The ottomans, the Axis powers, and now The KLA( the Kleptos Liberation Army). my age shouldnt matter much, considering you only have to be 10 years old to understand how moronic the k albanians are being. ONce Serbia finally walks away from the EU, i would start packing my bags if i was a k albanian, at least you will be prepared then. Your criminal games are coming to an end. You will never become a member of the UN so you will never be legit. Thank you China and Russia for that.

ozzi

pre 12 godina

(Balkan psydoanthropologist, 16 February 2012 01:07)
acctually i expected a little more from the serbians, an anthropologist than put downs, it shows your insecurities and fear when comfronted with things you can not explain and dont understand. why are albanians in the painting of the great serb migration (from kosovo)? or why are the serbians wearing albanian clothing?

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

"relations between Kosovo and Serbia should be based on reciprocity", her office said in a release.

I love that but I would add the word "strict".
(EA, 15 February 2012 13:34)

No more Serbs in Prishtina and many other places in Kosovo - no more Albanians living in central Serbia "individually", only in isolated ghettos.

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

Careful Ivan, you're about to combust. what else have you left appart from writing empty threats? nothing.

as for this, it really doesn't look like Kosova has to agree to anything if they don't want to. bye bye EU and all that eh?

Ozzi

pre 12 godina

(Balkan Anthropologist, 16 February 2012 01:07)
Are you saying the Serbians of Kosovo are wearing Albanian clothing? As a Balkan anthropologist. There were many cultures living under the Byzantine Serbian ottoman empires

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

LOL if you're going to try to pass yourself off as a dim witted Albanian troll, try being less, well, dumb. Referring to a well known Serbian painting and a well known Serbian historical event and then attempting to somehow argue that Orthodox Albanians are the ones in the photo being led by a Serbian patriarch not only kills the idea you're an Albanian intellectual, but also kills the idea that Albanians have any claim to Kosovo since the painting shows them leaving Kosovo instead of migrating to it. Not even Hoxha was crazy enough to make up the story you claim.
(Balkan Anthropologist, 16 February 2012 01:07)

Dear your knowledge is very scarce and dominated by the fixation that Albanian is predominately Muslim. During the so called great Serb migration the Albanians was predominately Christian. The Orthodox Albanian in North was led by Serbian patriarch and Albanian in the south was led by Greek patriarch. The notion of Nation was less important during that time than the notion Religion. You have difficulty dear to follow the dynamic of history. If you have knowledge for the census during Ottoman Empire, the people was counted by Religion not Ethnicity. With this you and Greeks has always abused with Albanian orthodox counting them for Serbs and Greeks. Greeks are doing this even today counting the Albanian orthodox in south Albania as Greek minority.
As I see you don’t have knowledge in folk costume.
To enrich your knowledge here is another link for an old photo of Decani Monastery.
https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=10150460177112210&set=a.190745407209.127198.182132672209&type=1&theater

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

(Ozzi, 16 February 2012 00:07)

LOL if you're going to try to pass yourself off as a dim witted Albanian troll, try being less, well, dumb. Referring to a well known Serbian painting and a well known Serbian historical event and then attempting to somehow argue that Orthodox Albanians are the ones in the photo being led by a Serbian patriarch not only kills the idea you're an Albanian intellectual, but also kills the idea that Albanians have any claim to Kosovo since the painting shows them leaving Kosovo instead of migrating to it. Not even Hoxha was crazy enough to make up the story you claim.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

"Kosovo to be represented with constitutional name"

You mean the "Autonomous Serbian Province of Kosovo and Metohija"? Ok, sounds good. Oh wait, they mean THEIR constitution. Ah, ok well then that changes the game a little since THEIR constitution is apparently recognized by 80 or so countries (87 seems high as a few countries out of that have only recognized according to Pacolli). What about the other 100 to 110 or so? Seems somewhat lopsided, but Albanians have a nasty tendency of looking and believing only what they want to see.

"relations between Kosovo and Serbia should be based on reciprocity"

Good. Take a look at how Albanians live in the north. Take an even closer look at the untouched Albanian cemetery and consider that the next time one of your kids wants to take a dump in a church or knock over a head stone, or shoot at a bus of Serbs. Silly silly Jahjaga. She gives me the impression of someone clearly in over her head in the job Christopher Dell put her hin :)

Andrew Beaumont

pre 12 godina

87 sovereign states, and the UN, recognise Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence. 109 states representing (with Russia and China and India) a significant majority of world population have not yet done so despite the Kosovo administration's feverish efforts. Whatever the reason for a state's recognition or otherwise, Kosovo has yet to demonstrate that it is entitled to equal-terms representation in any international forum. As an undecided observer, I remain to be convinced that Serbia should accede to any argument for recognition - unless and until Kosovo makes a convincing case, acceptable to the majority of states and individuals, who currently and with good reason doubt its motives. If I should live that long, I look forward to similar debates which will follow the unilateral declaration of independence by South Yorkshire, in England, of my own country, Scotland, or even - and this would be fun, Alaska. In such an event, will the Western powers-that-be and their tame followers be happy to follow the Kosovo precedent? Probably not.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

Maybe you had problems with my previous link. I'm sorry here is the right one.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150460177112210&set=a.190745407209.127198.182132672209&type=1&theater

ben

pre 12 godina

(Andrew Beaumont, 15 February 2012 21:47)

the same arguments that were used by South Sudan (who declaired her independece after Kosova) apply to Kosova as well.

The difference is that North Sudan does not have 100% Russian backing and her veto power in UN SC, unlike Serbia that does.

This is the ONLY difference, and yes I know it is dusgusting.

sj

pre 12 godina

Learn your history and stop polluting knowledge gene pool with your thoughts. Sitting on a pedestal looking down on us and belittling history of others and distorting truths. Soon with time the distortion of our histories will be corrected
Here's a painting by Peja jovanovic of the great Serb migration of only orthodox Albanians ( notice the crapy albanian clothing) leaving Kosovo and being led by Serbian soldiers and orthodox priests. As a nationalist you should be well aware it hangs in the museum of Belgrade. What is the significance of this painting? I'll only leave you a crumb and the rest is up to you

[link]
(Ozzi, 16 February 2012 00:07)


I take my hat off to you. I have read some intelligent posts and some dumb ones on B92, but you sir would have to the stupidest man I have had the misfortune of coming across in my life. I can tell that is not any easy achievement either as I have come across a few so far.

A Serb painter painting a picture of Orthodox Albanians being led by Serb soldiers and the then Patriarch of the Serbian Orthodox Church and calling it the migration of Serbs. If I thought about it for one hundred years I would never come to that conclusion, but here is a hint for you. The Serbs of that time were wearing similar cloths to the Turks as they were ruled by them for nearly 600 years – it my guess but I maybe wrong.

Congratulations on impressing me.

Ron

pre 12 godina

As a neutral outsider (not from Serbia or Balkan) I got an idea:

Represent Kosovo under the name the UN recognizes it: Serbian province of Kosovo?

Everybody agrees with this? Fine! Then lets focus on all other problems the Balkan region has...

ozzi

pre 12 godina

i love the way sj strings together abuse and opinions and myths
( you must feel amazing )
if you applied the same amount of energy towards writing something that contributes and enhances, you would have a captive audience rather than the chest banging in the background and we would all be better for it

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

Dear Ivan, yes I have wishes. I wish that never Albanian or whatever nationality suffers the oppression of Albanians of Yugoslavia. I also wish that I live another 50 years. So I bet my money that for 50 years the Albanian will not suffer another Serbian Apartheid. This means that Kosova will be out of sovereignty of Serbia. Do you want to bet your wish with my wish? I bet 50 years you can bet 5,10,20,30,300,3000 whatever you want,

New Zealander

pre 12 godina

(Andrew Beaumont, 15 February 2012 21:47)

the same arguments that were used by South Sudan (who declaired her independece after Kosova) apply to Kosova as well.

The difference is that North Sudan does not have 100% Russian backing and her veto power in UN SC, unlike Serbia that does.

This is the ONLY difference, and yes I know it is dusgusting.
(ben, 15 February 2012 23:09)

Wrong! (again)

South Sudan was granted independence as a result of Negotiations, something the Kosovo Albanians are somehow unable to do

Ozzi

pre 12 godina

Ivan
"Albanians never ever lived better than they did during the time of yugoslavia"
Was this before milosovic or during ? Seeing as you brought it up, all the people's of Yugoslavia had it better, it was the only passport that one could travel west and east.
Albanians suffered under the ottoman empire also, forced to change religions children being taken, just like the rest of the Balkans, Albanians were the last to be subdued and the last to awake. If u go to Istanbul you will see many assimilted
Serbs Albanians Greeks Bosnians. You might have a relative there also Ivan

Ron

pre 12 godina

On South Sudan:

Indeed, this is a result of a mutual agreed deal. Like Eritrea and Slovakia. That is fine, of course.
Kosovo made a UDI. Not fine, of course.

Or do we also recognize Tibet, Northern Cyprus, Abkhazia, ...

No double standards!

By the way: We in Western Europe are trying to get sick of this Kosovo soap..

pss

pre 12 godina

By the way: We in Western Europe are trying to get sick of this Kosovo soap..
(Ron, 16 February 2012 13:47)
You should never use "we" because you speak for no one.
However being from Holland, supposedly, you should say WE from Holland do support and recognize Kosovo as an independent state.

edi

pre 12 godina

Serbs should get over it and look for their best. they should not just accept Kosovo as a state but also say sorry for their crimes. don't come over here to talk history we all know well the history and we saw what Serbs did from 1982 to 1999. Albanians will never and ever be under Serb rule anymore and i feel so sorry that even the liberals and vi sonars of Serbia haven't realize that yet. Serbs push u government to accept Kosovo and trust me it will be for the best of you! if u need a history book go and read a short history of Kosovo noel Malcolm and after come and talk about history! reality is this and you should face that!

icj1

pre 12 godina

Kosovo should be represented by the internationally legally valid and accepted name, i.e. Kosovo (under UN1244)"
(Comm. Parrisson, 15 February 2012 14:56)

I fullu agree... "Kosovo" is in accordance with the UDI and hence in accordance with 1244 and international law

ivan

pre 12 godina

dor tirana is simply a paid drone on these websites. YOUR DILLUSIONAL at best. Albanians of muslim descent is what is left over from the ottoman empire. Thats why they destroy every orthodox chuirch possible, and seek constant revenge on Serbs for their turkish brothers. Dori sits down with a bunch of BS so called facts and trys to pass them off as if they were true. Albanians never ever lived better than they did during the time of yugoslavia, and ive heard this from more than a few albanians(at least sane ones). I cant imagine how badly the k albanians will be crying when all of there efforts crumble and the ottoman empire is defeated once again.