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Friday, 10.02.2012.

09:17

“Intl. pressure on Priština, not Belgrade”

Belgrade negotiator Borislav Stefanović has denied media reports that pressure is being exerted on Serbia to <a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=02&dd=09&nav_id=78698" class="text-link" target= "_blank">reach an agreement with Priština by mid-February.</a>

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Peggy

pre 12 godina

Exactly, that’s why who you don’t understand it because the Arabic, Chinese, English, French and Russians versions of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 say nowhere that “Kosovo belongs to the Country of Serbia”. You must be referring to the Serbian version :).
(icj1, 11 February 2012 19:33)
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How thick are you? How many times do we have to tell you that Serbia is a successor to Yugoslavia which means that Kosovo is part of it?
Why do you insist on making a fool of yourself? Seriously, I don't think much of you but even I am starting to feel sorry for you.

icj1

pre 12 godina

I do not see why so many People are accusing the Serbian Constitution for anything, because United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 says that Kosovo belongs to the Country of Serbia.
(Yet Another J S, 11 February 2012 13:03)

Exactly, that’s why who you don’t understand it because the Arabic, Chinese, English, French and Russians versions of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 say nowhere that “Kosovo belongs to the Country of Serbia”. You must be referring to the Serbian version :).

EA

pre 12 godina

"...because United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 says that Kosovo belongs to the Country of Serbia."

Where the hell did you read that? Maybe in any Serbian orthodox churches "archives"?

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

I do not see why so many People are accusing the Serbian Constitution for anything, because United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 says that Kosovo belongs to the Country of Serbia.

As we all know, America and the European Union wanted Serbia to have a new Democratic Constitution, because Slobodan Milosevic was found dead at The Hague without being convicted of the Serious Allegations against him.

As United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 says that Kosovo belongs to the Country of Serbia, it would only have been normal to have a Constitution for the entire Country; and even America and the European Union approved of the new Serbian Constitution when it was approved in October 2006.

As we know Albania said that the Serbian Constitution would not make any difference to stealing Kosovo, and that was before any Serb had even seen the Ahtisaari Plan, and before fake talks that Ahtisaari would fraudulently preside over even began.

As we know, it was agreed to have Parliamentary Elections are the new Constitution was passed, and it was agreed to have the Ahtisaari sham negotiations after the Serbian Election in January of 2007, and they are the Facts.

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

"Imagine, KAlbs collect money and build schools for KSerbs, where KSerbs teach their children what *** KAlbs are.

BTW KAlbs had rights to establish their own private schools. "

How an Earth is studying sciences against the state? Are you out of your head?

"Do you call buying houses from KSerbs who had to leave Kosovo, investment?
Their main point was to prevent Serb exodus from Kosovo. How could they have tried to do it? "

What exodus? Have you not read the official statistics from Belgrade that show the Serb populace increase in Kosova from 1974 -1989? No this was purely a law set out to discriminate against one ethnic group.

As for your link, it is bollocks. There is nothing in it about NATO say being in charge, nothing in it about NATO troops being stationed in ANYWHERE outside Kosova. You carry on believing garbage however

trizo

pre 12 godina

what a waste of time reading that post from EA. I should have been smarter and looked at who wrote it before reading the story. There's one minute of my life I won't get back. Damn it!

icj1

pre 12 godina

I believe that they had choice, they just didn't have anything to do with Serbian government.
(aaayyy, 10 February 2012 20:28)

no, dear, they did not have a choice because Serbia's government did not include Kosovo Albanians in the voters' list for the Constitution while on the same time considering them citizens of Serbia in that same Constitution !!!

icj1

pre 12 godina

If you don't want real negotiations with Serbia and real compromize, KAlbs won't be accepted into EU (if this is what you want). You will always be poor, unemployed and uneducated, but with great pride.
(aaayyy, 10 February 2012 17:23)

Sorry, but according to the brilliant and uparalleled economic and financial analysis of B92 forums' CE sj, EU is bankrupt, poor, unemployed and uneducated so it would be great for Kosovo not to be accepted by the EU.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

people living in that territory did not have a choice to have their representatives in Gov' to make the decisions for them then change in constitution is not null and void.

(Engineer, 10 February 2012 19:46)

I believe that they had choice. But they just didn't WANT to have anything to do with Serbian government, so they didn't use their choice.

EA

pre 12 godina

If you don't want real negotiations with Serbia and real compromize, KAlbs won't be accepted into EU (if this is what you want). You will always be poor, unemployed and uneducated, but with great pride.
(aaayyy, 10 February 2012 17:23)

Aaayyy,

Allow to quote me a quick dialogue from an Albanian film during the communist cime called "Dueli i Heshtur". I found it very funny ESPECIALLY refering to people that do not understand or they DON'T WANT TO UNDERSTAND. Not sure about the exact translation in English though but the best I can do would be "The Silent Challenge".

The captain of a ship who two other anticommunist dessidents hijecket a ship. There was a servicing marine on bord that weekend. There was no one else on bord as it was Sunday and the commissar of the ship have called the crew to do some voluntary work quite far away from the ship.

To cut it short the story, the captain of the ship and the two other fooled the serving marine by "making him aware" that "the contact with commissar has been lost" and "he and the crew were in the open sea...." "we need to rescue him and the crew..." and lot of nonsense excuses.

When they heading securily in international waters the naive serving marine whom was a son of a martyr/communist starting questioning "Where could be the commisar?" "Captain, we are heading towards the international waters" and the captain remained silent for few seconds and then told him

"Skender (the serving marines name) YOU ARE NOT STUPID" and the first reply from the serving marine was "I DON'T KNOW". The captain continued

"I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE NOT" "WE ARE GOING TOWARDS THE OTHER WORLD"

"If you like you can join us, if you DON'T TAKE THE SAFETY BOAT and go back". Of course the captain was taking a piss.

To conclude practically Kosovo is independent from Serbia. Serbia knows it everyone with a bit of brain knows it, remember the captain? And you and some Serbs are talking about compromise and then refer to Serbian constitution and footnotes referring Resolution 1244 and all these nonsense. Serbia MUST recognise officially Kosovo independence and then there can be serious talks.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

people living in that territory did not have a choice to have their representatives in Gov' to make the decisions for them then change in constitution is not null and void.

(Engineer, 10 February 2012 19:46)

I believe that they had choice, they just didn't have anything to do with Serbian government.

Engineer

pre 12 godina

It should have asked Kosovo "which Serbia considers part of its territory" but Koshtunica pushed it through while international negotiations between Kosovo and Serbia through Marti Ahtisari were taking place...THESE ARE HARD FACTS not "facts build on myths". So wake up and do some more research! Why should it have asked Kosovo, EA or Ben, constitutions are written by governments, not by separatists trying to steal land. BTW, wasn't the West and Ahtisarri also trying to push something through? THESE ARE HARD FACTS not "facts build on Albanian myths". So wake up and do some more research.
(winston, 10 February 2012 18:15)

Winston its true what you say about Government making additions to constitutions. However you miss a point that Kosovo at the time of constitutional change was under administration of someone else hence if Elections were not held in that part of territory and people living in that territory did not have a choice to have their representatives in Gov' to make the decisions for them then change in constitution is not null and void.

So for majority of people in Kosovo change in constitution happened without their representation.

But hey if you think that because its written in Serbian constitution its the law great but that law is not in force in Kosovo so I do not understand when even your government says they have no control of territory but hey its in the document.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

"Unisersities shouldn't have used state building to teach anti-state history curriculum. "

rubbish. students studying English, Science, International Law should be barred from University buildings because?....again, you have no idea what you're talking about
(Nicolle)

Imagine, KAlbs collect money and build schools for KSerbs, where KSerbs teach their children what *** KAlbs are.

BTW KAlbs had rights to establish their own private schools.
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"It was politics to prevent Serb exodus from Kosovo. I don't see anything especially criminal in it. "

"you do not see any racism in restricting a peoples capacity to invest based on their ethnicity? "

Do you call buying houses from KSerbs who had to leave Kosovo, investment?
Their main point was to prevent Serb exodus from Kosovo. How could they have tried to do it?
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as for you link, I maintain it is total garbage. the reason why the Serbs refused to sign the Rambulliet accords was because of a referendum clause. no other reason. do not forget the russians designed the accords too
(Nikolle, 10 February 2012 11:47)

What exactly is total garbage? This is the copy from the accord, don't you believe it? If this is not occupation, then what is occupation?

Referendum clause was one more reason not to sign the accord.

winston

pre 12 godina

It should have asked Kosovo "which Serbia considers part of its territory" but Koshtunica pushed it through while international negotiations between Kosovo and Serbia through Marti Ahtisari were taking place...THESE ARE HARD FACTS not "facts build on myths". So wake up and do some more research! Why should it have asked Kosovo, EA or Ben, constitutions are written by governments, not by separatists trying to steal land. BTW, wasn't the West and Ahtisarri also trying to push something through? THESE ARE HARD FACTS not "facts build on Albanian myths". So wake up and do some more research.

roberto

pre 12 godina

Speaking of human rights and social justice (weren't we?), please read, sign and share this petition:

February 10th -- Dada would have been 48 years old today. Instead she was cut down in her prime, by an assassin. We demand justice from Serbia's government, now! No more excuses... rlr

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/478/justice-for-dada-vujasinovic/

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Kosovo has nothing to lose if it sticks strictly to its constitution and Ahtisari plan.
(EA, 10 February 2012 09:53)

If you don't want real negotiations with Serbia and real compromize, KAlbs won't be accepted into EU (if this is what you want). You will always be poor, unemployed and uneducated, but with great pride.

a New Day

pre 12 godina

The current Serbian Constitution was put to a Referendum before the Ahtisaari talks began, and Ahtisaari simply told Serbia to accept Ahtisaari plan for Kosovo, and the West’s intentions were that there would be no proper negotiations like there appear to be now, and these are the Facts.
(Yet Another J S, 10 February 2012 13:02)
However the part about Kosovo being an integral part of Serbia was not added until 2007 or 2008 after Ahtisaari had concluded the talks and submitted his plan. It took one afternoon session, never heard of a constitution of value that could be altered so quickly.

Kosova-USA

pre 12 godina

If Pristina does not want to be represented in line with the Constitution of Serbia, with United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244, and with the United Nations Six Point Plan for Kosovo, then they do not need to be at the same meetings that Serbia attends.

Actually these is being done for the sake of Serbia, since either they skip these meetings or walk out, and Kosova does not do niether, but attends these meetings.

EA

pre 12 godina

"The Kosovo Albanians said....they would use Criminal Methods as they always have to achieve their goals.

Tell me where did you see, read, heared that? Let's find out what THE TRUTH and FACT means? You just shot yourself in the foot...)

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

The heroic stand of Serbs here against Germany or West reminds me bad memories. Remind me the Albania of Hoxha when we were a strong stone in Adriatic that will resist all the storms from West (NATO) and EAST (Treaty of Warsaw) at that same time. Fortunately this is past time for Albania and even the elder communists understand now how foolish was that.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

Why should Serbia have asked the Albanians of Kosovo who refused for years to vote in any Serbian Elections or Referendums?

The Kosovo Albanians said they did not care what Serbia does or thinks, because they would use Criminal Methods as they always have to achieve their goals.

The current Serbian Constitution was put to a Referendum before the Ahtisaari talks began, and Ahtisaari simply told Serbia to accept Ahtisaari plan for Kosovo, and the West’s intentions were that there would be no proper negotiations like there appear to be now, and these are the Facts.

EA

pre 12 godina

Who was Serbia to ask when it drafted its constitution. Get your facts straight.
(winston, 10 February 2012 11:43)

It should have asked Kosovo "which Serbia considers part of its territory" but Koshtunica pushed it through while international negotiations between Kosovo and Serbia through Marti Ahtisari were taking place...THESE ARE HARD FACTS not "facts build on myths". So wake up and do some more research!

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

Oh trizo, its a shame you write such rubbish because you want Serbia to so desperately to be given that candidate status. German people are actually very friendly. the country itself is far more significant than either yours or mine and it will forever be. unlike your country (not Australia, Serbia) they have come to grips with their shameful past, they admit their actions and have no territorial designs on their neighbors. they do not ask the Germnas of Strasbourg to rebel and brake away from the French. contrast this to Serbia now. Srebrenica is denied as a myth left, right and centre, Mladic is a hero to many and you still want to rule over a people who want nothing to do with you. no trizo, its a good thing Germany is strong and is able to dictate. or would you rather the Chinese and Russians were in charge because we all know how humane they happen to be to their minority groups? perhaps if you stopped taken lessons from them you may not have lost Kosova to begin with eh?

winston

pre 12 godina

I don't understand EA, aren't most constitutions unilateral? Who was Serbia to ask when it drafted its constitution. It's the Mickey Mouse Albanian constitution the Pristina separatist drafted unilaterally, after their Mickey Mouse UDI. Get your facts straight.

Klasiku

pre 12 godina

Why would they apply pressure? Kosovo was doing fine in regional representation. There's no pressure on Kosovo whatsoever.

Serbia was the pissy one, refusing to participate if Kosovo's reps were there!

The dilemma is representation of Kosovo under "Kosovo" instead of "Republic of Kosovo". This may be accepted, just so the squeaky wheel stops squeaking.

trizo

pre 12 godina

I've been to many cities in Germany and I have been to more cities in Serbia. Germany is a hole compared to Serbia on so many levels. The culture is alive and you feel it in Serbia. You feel it in the air, something special, you feel a unity among the people and their country.

Germany continues to slap Serbia in the face and tell us that we are not up to this standard?

Do our women have to become more ugly to reach Germany's standards?

Do the people have to become fake and unfriendly towards one another and bitter like aliens to reach their standards?

What a horrible and cold place to tell us that we don't meet their requirements. Thank God we don't.

I hope I will see, in my lifetime, the major shift of the world's power & economy so that I can watch things turn around and the good, decent and fair people will get what they deserve while the hypocrites and the alien like humans whose lives are based on greed and hunger for power will be 2nd grade citizens of the peaceful world.

God Bless Serbia - you have something few countries have! A strong spirit.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

If Pristina does not want to be represented in line with the Constitution of Serbia, with United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244, and with the United Nations Six Point Plan for Kosovo, then they do not need to be at the same meetings that Serbia attends.

It is more in the interests of the European Union to grant Serbia the Trinket of European Union Candidate Status, than it is for Serbia to receive the Trinket of European Union Candidate Status.

This is because the European Union knows that it is only a Trinket, and they must do whatever they can to help their Puppets win the next Election, because while there are Puppets, there is hope that Kosovo will become Independent.

Furthermore, it would look bad on Germany at this time, if they did not give the Trinket of European Union Candidate Status.

As much as even many Serbs would not want Serbia to get the European Union Candidate Status, I think that Serbia will even if the Vichy Serbs follow the Serbian Constitution, the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244, and with the United Nations Six Point Plan for Kosovo.

EA

pre 12 godina

"We will not sacrifice our national interest in Kosovo and Metohija, Constitution and laws with our progress in the negotiations"

Yes of course! Serbian unilateral constitution above all...)

Kosovo has nothing to lose if it sticks strictly to its constitution and Ahtisari plan.

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

Oh trizo, its a shame you write such rubbish because you want Serbia to so desperately to be given that candidate status. German people are actually very friendly. the country itself is far more significant than either yours or mine and it will forever be. unlike your country (not Australia, Serbia) they have come to grips with their shameful past, they admit their actions and have no territorial designs on their neighbors. they do not ask the Germnas of Strasbourg to rebel and brake away from the French. contrast this to Serbia now. Srebrenica is denied as a myth left, right and centre, Mladic is a hero to many and you still want to rule over a people who want nothing to do with you. no trizo, its a good thing Germany is strong and is able to dictate. or would you rather the Chinese and Russians were in charge because we all know how humane they happen to be to their minority groups? perhaps if you stopped taken lessons from them you may not have lost Kosova to begin with eh?

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

The heroic stand of Serbs here against Germany or West reminds me bad memories. Remind me the Albania of Hoxha when we were a strong stone in Adriatic that will resist all the storms from West (NATO) and EAST (Treaty of Warsaw) at that same time. Fortunately this is past time for Albania and even the elder communists understand now how foolish was that.

winston

pre 12 godina

I don't understand EA, aren't most constitutions unilateral? Who was Serbia to ask when it drafted its constitution. It's the Mickey Mouse Albanian constitution the Pristina separatist drafted unilaterally, after their Mickey Mouse UDI. Get your facts straight.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

Why should Serbia have asked the Albanians of Kosovo who refused for years to vote in any Serbian Elections or Referendums?

The Kosovo Albanians said they did not care what Serbia does or thinks, because they would use Criminal Methods as they always have to achieve their goals.

The current Serbian Constitution was put to a Referendum before the Ahtisaari talks began, and Ahtisaari simply told Serbia to accept Ahtisaari plan for Kosovo, and the West’s intentions were that there would be no proper negotiations like there appear to be now, and these are the Facts.

trizo

pre 12 godina

I've been to many cities in Germany and I have been to more cities in Serbia. Germany is a hole compared to Serbia on so many levels. The culture is alive and you feel it in Serbia. You feel it in the air, something special, you feel a unity among the people and their country.

Germany continues to slap Serbia in the face and tell us that we are not up to this standard?

Do our women have to become more ugly to reach Germany's standards?

Do the people have to become fake and unfriendly towards one another and bitter like aliens to reach their standards?

What a horrible and cold place to tell us that we don't meet their requirements. Thank God we don't.

I hope I will see, in my lifetime, the major shift of the world's power & economy so that I can watch things turn around and the good, decent and fair people will get what they deserve while the hypocrites and the alien like humans whose lives are based on greed and hunger for power will be 2nd grade citizens of the peaceful world.

God Bless Serbia - you have something few countries have! A strong spirit.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Kosovo has nothing to lose if it sticks strictly to its constitution and Ahtisari plan.
(EA, 10 February 2012 09:53)

If you don't want real negotiations with Serbia and real compromize, KAlbs won't be accepted into EU (if this is what you want). You will always be poor, unemployed and uneducated, but with great pride.

EA

pre 12 godina

Who was Serbia to ask when it drafted its constitution. Get your facts straight.
(winston, 10 February 2012 11:43)

It should have asked Kosovo "which Serbia considers part of its territory" but Koshtunica pushed it through while international negotiations between Kosovo and Serbia through Marti Ahtisari were taking place...THESE ARE HARD FACTS not "facts build on myths". So wake up and do some more research!

Kosova-USA

pre 12 godina

If Pristina does not want to be represented in line with the Constitution of Serbia, with United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244, and with the United Nations Six Point Plan for Kosovo, then they do not need to be at the same meetings that Serbia attends.

Actually these is being done for the sake of Serbia, since either they skip these meetings or walk out, and Kosova does not do niether, but attends these meetings.

EA

pre 12 godina

"We will not sacrifice our national interest in Kosovo and Metohija, Constitution and laws with our progress in the negotiations"

Yes of course! Serbian unilateral constitution above all...)

Kosovo has nothing to lose if it sticks strictly to its constitution and Ahtisari plan.

EA

pre 12 godina

"The Kosovo Albanians said....they would use Criminal Methods as they always have to achieve their goals.

Tell me where did you see, read, heared that? Let's find out what THE TRUTH and FACT means? You just shot yourself in the foot...)

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

If Pristina does not want to be represented in line with the Constitution of Serbia, with United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244, and with the United Nations Six Point Plan for Kosovo, then they do not need to be at the same meetings that Serbia attends.

It is more in the interests of the European Union to grant Serbia the Trinket of European Union Candidate Status, than it is for Serbia to receive the Trinket of European Union Candidate Status.

This is because the European Union knows that it is only a Trinket, and they must do whatever they can to help their Puppets win the next Election, because while there are Puppets, there is hope that Kosovo will become Independent.

Furthermore, it would look bad on Germany at this time, if they did not give the Trinket of European Union Candidate Status.

As much as even many Serbs would not want Serbia to get the European Union Candidate Status, I think that Serbia will even if the Vichy Serbs follow the Serbian Constitution, the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244, and with the United Nations Six Point Plan for Kosovo.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

"Unisersities shouldn't have used state building to teach anti-state history curriculum. "

rubbish. students studying English, Science, International Law should be barred from University buildings because?....again, you have no idea what you're talking about
(Nicolle)

Imagine, KAlbs collect money and build schools for KSerbs, where KSerbs teach their children what *** KAlbs are.

BTW KAlbs had rights to establish their own private schools.
--------------------------------

"It was politics to prevent Serb exodus from Kosovo. I don't see anything especially criminal in it. "

"you do not see any racism in restricting a peoples capacity to invest based on their ethnicity? "

Do you call buying houses from KSerbs who had to leave Kosovo, investment?
Their main point was to prevent Serb exodus from Kosovo. How could they have tried to do it?
--------------------------------
as for you link, I maintain it is total garbage. the reason why the Serbs refused to sign the Rambulliet accords was because of a referendum clause. no other reason. do not forget the russians designed the accords too
(Nikolle, 10 February 2012 11:47)

What exactly is total garbage? This is the copy from the accord, don't you believe it? If this is not occupation, then what is occupation?

Referendum clause was one more reason not to sign the accord.

roberto

pre 12 godina

Speaking of human rights and social justice (weren't we?), please read, sign and share this petition:

February 10th -- Dada would have been 48 years old today. Instead she was cut down in her prime, by an assassin. We demand justice from Serbia's government, now! No more excuses... rlr

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/478/justice-for-dada-vujasinovic/

winston

pre 12 godina

It should have asked Kosovo "which Serbia considers part of its territory" but Koshtunica pushed it through while international negotiations between Kosovo and Serbia through Marti Ahtisari were taking place...THESE ARE HARD FACTS not "facts build on myths". So wake up and do some more research! Why should it have asked Kosovo, EA or Ben, constitutions are written by governments, not by separatists trying to steal land. BTW, wasn't the West and Ahtisarri also trying to push something through? THESE ARE HARD FACTS not "facts build on Albanian myths". So wake up and do some more research.

Engineer

pre 12 godina

It should have asked Kosovo "which Serbia considers part of its territory" but Koshtunica pushed it through while international negotiations between Kosovo and Serbia through Marti Ahtisari were taking place...THESE ARE HARD FACTS not "facts build on myths". So wake up and do some more research! Why should it have asked Kosovo, EA or Ben, constitutions are written by governments, not by separatists trying to steal land. BTW, wasn't the West and Ahtisarri also trying to push something through? THESE ARE HARD FACTS not "facts build on Albanian myths". So wake up and do some more research.
(winston, 10 February 2012 18:15)

Winston its true what you say about Government making additions to constitutions. However you miss a point that Kosovo at the time of constitutional change was under administration of someone else hence if Elections were not held in that part of territory and people living in that territory did not have a choice to have their representatives in Gov' to make the decisions for them then change in constitution is not null and void.

So for majority of people in Kosovo change in constitution happened without their representation.

But hey if you think that because its written in Serbian constitution its the law great but that law is not in force in Kosovo so I do not understand when even your government says they have no control of territory but hey its in the document.

Klasiku

pre 12 godina

Why would they apply pressure? Kosovo was doing fine in regional representation. There's no pressure on Kosovo whatsoever.

Serbia was the pissy one, refusing to participate if Kosovo's reps were there!

The dilemma is representation of Kosovo under "Kosovo" instead of "Republic of Kosovo". This may be accepted, just so the squeaky wheel stops squeaking.

a New Day

pre 12 godina

The current Serbian Constitution was put to a Referendum before the Ahtisaari talks began, and Ahtisaari simply told Serbia to accept Ahtisaari plan for Kosovo, and the West’s intentions were that there would be no proper negotiations like there appear to be now, and these are the Facts.
(Yet Another J S, 10 February 2012 13:02)
However the part about Kosovo being an integral part of Serbia was not added until 2007 or 2008 after Ahtisaari had concluded the talks and submitted his plan. It took one afternoon session, never heard of a constitution of value that could be altered so quickly.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

people living in that territory did not have a choice to have their representatives in Gov' to make the decisions for them then change in constitution is not null and void.

(Engineer, 10 February 2012 19:46)

I believe that they had choice, they just didn't have anything to do with Serbian government.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

I do not see why so many People are accusing the Serbian Constitution for anything, because United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 says that Kosovo belongs to the Country of Serbia.

As we all know, America and the European Union wanted Serbia to have a new Democratic Constitution, because Slobodan Milosevic was found dead at The Hague without being convicted of the Serious Allegations against him.

As United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 says that Kosovo belongs to the Country of Serbia, it would only have been normal to have a Constitution for the entire Country; and even America and the European Union approved of the new Serbian Constitution when it was approved in October 2006.

As we know Albania said that the Serbian Constitution would not make any difference to stealing Kosovo, and that was before any Serb had even seen the Ahtisaari Plan, and before fake talks that Ahtisaari would fraudulently preside over even began.

As we know, it was agreed to have Parliamentary Elections are the new Constitution was passed, and it was agreed to have the Ahtisaari sham negotiations after the Serbian Election in January of 2007, and they are the Facts.

trizo

pre 12 godina

what a waste of time reading that post from EA. I should have been smarter and looked at who wrote it before reading the story. There's one minute of my life I won't get back. Damn it!

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

people living in that territory did not have a choice to have their representatives in Gov' to make the decisions for them then change in constitution is not null and void.

(Engineer, 10 February 2012 19:46)

I believe that they had choice. But they just didn't WANT to have anything to do with Serbian government, so they didn't use their choice.

EA

pre 12 godina

If you don't want real negotiations with Serbia and real compromize, KAlbs won't be accepted into EU (if this is what you want). You will always be poor, unemployed and uneducated, but with great pride.
(aaayyy, 10 February 2012 17:23)

Aaayyy,

Allow to quote me a quick dialogue from an Albanian film during the communist cime called "Dueli i Heshtur". I found it very funny ESPECIALLY refering to people that do not understand or they DON'T WANT TO UNDERSTAND. Not sure about the exact translation in English though but the best I can do would be "The Silent Challenge".

The captain of a ship who two other anticommunist dessidents hijecket a ship. There was a servicing marine on bord that weekend. There was no one else on bord as it was Sunday and the commissar of the ship have called the crew to do some voluntary work quite far away from the ship.

To cut it short the story, the captain of the ship and the two other fooled the serving marine by "making him aware" that "the contact with commissar has been lost" and "he and the crew were in the open sea...." "we need to rescue him and the crew..." and lot of nonsense excuses.

When they heading securily in international waters the naive serving marine whom was a son of a martyr/communist starting questioning "Where could be the commisar?" "Captain, we are heading towards the international waters" and the captain remained silent for few seconds and then told him

"Skender (the serving marines name) YOU ARE NOT STUPID" and the first reply from the serving marine was "I DON'T KNOW". The captain continued

"I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE NOT" "WE ARE GOING TOWARDS THE OTHER WORLD"

"If you like you can join us, if you DON'T TAKE THE SAFETY BOAT and go back". Of course the captain was taking a piss.

To conclude practically Kosovo is independent from Serbia. Serbia knows it everyone with a bit of brain knows it, remember the captain? And you and some Serbs are talking about compromise and then refer to Serbian constitution and footnotes referring Resolution 1244 and all these nonsense. Serbia MUST recognise officially Kosovo independence and then there can be serious talks.

EA

pre 12 godina

"...because United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 says that Kosovo belongs to the Country of Serbia."

Where the hell did you read that? Maybe in any Serbian orthodox churches "archives"?

icj1

pre 12 godina

I believe that they had choice, they just didn't have anything to do with Serbian government.
(aaayyy, 10 February 2012 20:28)

no, dear, they did not have a choice because Serbia's government did not include Kosovo Albanians in the voters' list for the Constitution while on the same time considering them citizens of Serbia in that same Constitution !!!

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

"Imagine, KAlbs collect money and build schools for KSerbs, where KSerbs teach their children what *** KAlbs are.

BTW KAlbs had rights to establish their own private schools. "

How an Earth is studying sciences against the state? Are you out of your head?

"Do you call buying houses from KSerbs who had to leave Kosovo, investment?
Their main point was to prevent Serb exodus from Kosovo. How could they have tried to do it? "

What exodus? Have you not read the official statistics from Belgrade that show the Serb populace increase in Kosova from 1974 -1989? No this was purely a law set out to discriminate against one ethnic group.

As for your link, it is bollocks. There is nothing in it about NATO say being in charge, nothing in it about NATO troops being stationed in ANYWHERE outside Kosova. You carry on believing garbage however

icj1

pre 12 godina

I do not see why so many People are accusing the Serbian Constitution for anything, because United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 says that Kosovo belongs to the Country of Serbia.
(Yet Another J S, 11 February 2012 13:03)

Exactly, that’s why who you don’t understand it because the Arabic, Chinese, English, French and Russians versions of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 say nowhere that “Kosovo belongs to the Country of Serbia”. You must be referring to the Serbian version :).

icj1

pre 12 godina

If you don't want real negotiations with Serbia and real compromize, KAlbs won't be accepted into EU (if this is what you want). You will always be poor, unemployed and uneducated, but with great pride.
(aaayyy, 10 February 2012 17:23)

Sorry, but according to the brilliant and uparalleled economic and financial analysis of B92 forums' CE sj, EU is bankrupt, poor, unemployed and uneducated so it would be great for Kosovo not to be accepted by the EU.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

Peggy

pre 12 godina

Exactly, that’s why who you don’t understand it because the Arabic, Chinese, English, French and Russians versions of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 say nowhere that “Kosovo belongs to the Country of Serbia”. You must be referring to the Serbian version :).
(icj1, 11 February 2012 19:33)
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How thick are you? How many times do we have to tell you that Serbia is a successor to Yugoslavia which means that Kosovo is part of it?
Why do you insist on making a fool of yourself? Seriously, I don't think much of you but even I am starting to feel sorry for you.

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

Oh trizo, its a shame you write such rubbish because you want Serbia to so desperately to be given that candidate status. German people are actually very friendly. the country itself is far more significant than either yours or mine and it will forever be. unlike your country (not Australia, Serbia) they have come to grips with their shameful past, they admit their actions and have no territorial designs on their neighbors. they do not ask the Germnas of Strasbourg to rebel and brake away from the French. contrast this to Serbia now. Srebrenica is denied as a myth left, right and centre, Mladic is a hero to many and you still want to rule over a people who want nothing to do with you. no trizo, its a good thing Germany is strong and is able to dictate. or would you rather the Chinese and Russians were in charge because we all know how humane they happen to be to their minority groups? perhaps if you stopped taken lessons from them you may not have lost Kosova to begin with eh?

trizo

pre 12 godina

I've been to many cities in Germany and I have been to more cities in Serbia. Germany is a hole compared to Serbia on so many levels. The culture is alive and you feel it in Serbia. You feel it in the air, something special, you feel a unity among the people and their country.

Germany continues to slap Serbia in the face and tell us that we are not up to this standard?

Do our women have to become more ugly to reach Germany's standards?

Do the people have to become fake and unfriendly towards one another and bitter like aliens to reach their standards?

What a horrible and cold place to tell us that we don't meet their requirements. Thank God we don't.

I hope I will see, in my lifetime, the major shift of the world's power & economy so that I can watch things turn around and the good, decent and fair people will get what they deserve while the hypocrites and the alien like humans whose lives are based on greed and hunger for power will be 2nd grade citizens of the peaceful world.

God Bless Serbia - you have something few countries have! A strong spirit.

winston

pre 12 godina

I don't understand EA, aren't most constitutions unilateral? Who was Serbia to ask when it drafted its constitution. It's the Mickey Mouse Albanian constitution the Pristina separatist drafted unilaterally, after their Mickey Mouse UDI. Get your facts straight.

EA

pre 12 godina

Who was Serbia to ask when it drafted its constitution. Get your facts straight.
(winston, 10 February 2012 11:43)

It should have asked Kosovo "which Serbia considers part of its territory" but Koshtunica pushed it through while international negotiations between Kosovo and Serbia through Marti Ahtisari were taking place...THESE ARE HARD FACTS not "facts build on myths". So wake up and do some more research!

Kosova-USA

pre 12 godina

If Pristina does not want to be represented in line with the Constitution of Serbia, with United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244, and with the United Nations Six Point Plan for Kosovo, then they do not need to be at the same meetings that Serbia attends.

Actually these is being done for the sake of Serbia, since either they skip these meetings or walk out, and Kosova does not do niether, but attends these meetings.

a New Day

pre 12 godina

The current Serbian Constitution was put to a Referendum before the Ahtisaari talks began, and Ahtisaari simply told Serbia to accept Ahtisaari plan for Kosovo, and the West’s intentions were that there would be no proper negotiations like there appear to be now, and these are the Facts.
(Yet Another J S, 10 February 2012 13:02)
However the part about Kosovo being an integral part of Serbia was not added until 2007 or 2008 after Ahtisaari had concluded the talks and submitted his plan. It took one afternoon session, never heard of a constitution of value that could be altered so quickly.

Klasiku

pre 12 godina

Why would they apply pressure? Kosovo was doing fine in regional representation. There's no pressure on Kosovo whatsoever.

Serbia was the pissy one, refusing to participate if Kosovo's reps were there!

The dilemma is representation of Kosovo under "Kosovo" instead of "Republic of Kosovo". This may be accepted, just so the squeaky wheel stops squeaking.

EA

pre 12 godina

"We will not sacrifice our national interest in Kosovo and Metohija, Constitution and laws with our progress in the negotiations"

Yes of course! Serbian unilateral constitution above all...)

Kosovo has nothing to lose if it sticks strictly to its constitution and Ahtisari plan.

EA

pre 12 godina

"The Kosovo Albanians said....they would use Criminal Methods as they always have to achieve their goals.

Tell me where did you see, read, heared that? Let's find out what THE TRUTH and FACT means? You just shot yourself in the foot...)

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

If Pristina does not want to be represented in line with the Constitution of Serbia, with United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244, and with the United Nations Six Point Plan for Kosovo, then they do not need to be at the same meetings that Serbia attends.

It is more in the interests of the European Union to grant Serbia the Trinket of European Union Candidate Status, than it is for Serbia to receive the Trinket of European Union Candidate Status.

This is because the European Union knows that it is only a Trinket, and they must do whatever they can to help their Puppets win the next Election, because while there are Puppets, there is hope that Kosovo will become Independent.

Furthermore, it would look bad on Germany at this time, if they did not give the Trinket of European Union Candidate Status.

As much as even many Serbs would not want Serbia to get the European Union Candidate Status, I think that Serbia will even if the Vichy Serbs follow the Serbian Constitution, the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244, and with the United Nations Six Point Plan for Kosovo.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

The heroic stand of Serbs here against Germany or West reminds me bad memories. Remind me the Albania of Hoxha when we were a strong stone in Adriatic that will resist all the storms from West (NATO) and EAST (Treaty of Warsaw) at that same time. Fortunately this is past time for Albania and even the elder communists understand now how foolish was that.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

Why should Serbia have asked the Albanians of Kosovo who refused for years to vote in any Serbian Elections or Referendums?

The Kosovo Albanians said they did not care what Serbia does or thinks, because they would use Criminal Methods as they always have to achieve their goals.

The current Serbian Constitution was put to a Referendum before the Ahtisaari talks began, and Ahtisaari simply told Serbia to accept Ahtisaari plan for Kosovo, and the West’s intentions were that there would be no proper negotiations like there appear to be now, and these are the Facts.

roberto

pre 12 godina

Speaking of human rights and social justice (weren't we?), please read, sign and share this petition:

February 10th -- Dada would have been 48 years old today. Instead she was cut down in her prime, by an assassin. We demand justice from Serbia's government, now! No more excuses... rlr

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/478/justice-for-dada-vujasinovic/

EA

pre 12 godina

If you don't want real negotiations with Serbia and real compromize, KAlbs won't be accepted into EU (if this is what you want). You will always be poor, unemployed and uneducated, but with great pride.
(aaayyy, 10 February 2012 17:23)

Aaayyy,

Allow to quote me a quick dialogue from an Albanian film during the communist cime called "Dueli i Heshtur". I found it very funny ESPECIALLY refering to people that do not understand or they DON'T WANT TO UNDERSTAND. Not sure about the exact translation in English though but the best I can do would be "The Silent Challenge".

The captain of a ship who two other anticommunist dessidents hijecket a ship. There was a servicing marine on bord that weekend. There was no one else on bord as it was Sunday and the commissar of the ship have called the crew to do some voluntary work quite far away from the ship.

To cut it short the story, the captain of the ship and the two other fooled the serving marine by "making him aware" that "the contact with commissar has been lost" and "he and the crew were in the open sea...." "we need to rescue him and the crew..." and lot of nonsense excuses.

When they heading securily in international waters the naive serving marine whom was a son of a martyr/communist starting questioning "Where could be the commisar?" "Captain, we are heading towards the international waters" and the captain remained silent for few seconds and then told him

"Skender (the serving marines name) YOU ARE NOT STUPID" and the first reply from the serving marine was "I DON'T KNOW". The captain continued

"I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE NOT" "WE ARE GOING TOWARDS THE OTHER WORLD"

"If you like you can join us, if you DON'T TAKE THE SAFETY BOAT and go back". Of course the captain was taking a piss.

To conclude practically Kosovo is independent from Serbia. Serbia knows it everyone with a bit of brain knows it, remember the captain? And you and some Serbs are talking about compromise and then refer to Serbian constitution and footnotes referring Resolution 1244 and all these nonsense. Serbia MUST recognise officially Kosovo independence and then there can be serious talks.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

people living in that territory did not have a choice to have their representatives in Gov' to make the decisions for them then change in constitution is not null and void.

(Engineer, 10 February 2012 19:46)

I believe that they had choice, they just didn't have anything to do with Serbian government.

Engineer

pre 12 godina

It should have asked Kosovo "which Serbia considers part of its territory" but Koshtunica pushed it through while international negotiations between Kosovo and Serbia through Marti Ahtisari were taking place...THESE ARE HARD FACTS not "facts build on myths". So wake up and do some more research! Why should it have asked Kosovo, EA or Ben, constitutions are written by governments, not by separatists trying to steal land. BTW, wasn't the West and Ahtisarri also trying to push something through? THESE ARE HARD FACTS not "facts build on Albanian myths". So wake up and do some more research.
(winston, 10 February 2012 18:15)

Winston its true what you say about Government making additions to constitutions. However you miss a point that Kosovo at the time of constitutional change was under administration of someone else hence if Elections were not held in that part of territory and people living in that territory did not have a choice to have their representatives in Gov' to make the decisions for them then change in constitution is not null and void.

So for majority of people in Kosovo change in constitution happened without their representation.

But hey if you think that because its written in Serbian constitution its the law great but that law is not in force in Kosovo so I do not understand when even your government says they have no control of territory but hey its in the document.

winston

pre 12 godina

It should have asked Kosovo "which Serbia considers part of its territory" but Koshtunica pushed it through while international negotiations between Kosovo and Serbia through Marti Ahtisari were taking place...THESE ARE HARD FACTS not "facts build on myths". So wake up and do some more research! Why should it have asked Kosovo, EA or Ben, constitutions are written by governments, not by separatists trying to steal land. BTW, wasn't the West and Ahtisarri also trying to push something through? THESE ARE HARD FACTS not "facts build on Albanian myths". So wake up and do some more research.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

"Unisersities shouldn't have used state building to teach anti-state history curriculum. "

rubbish. students studying English, Science, International Law should be barred from University buildings because?....again, you have no idea what you're talking about
(Nicolle)

Imagine, KAlbs collect money and build schools for KSerbs, where KSerbs teach their children what *** KAlbs are.

BTW KAlbs had rights to establish their own private schools.
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"It was politics to prevent Serb exodus from Kosovo. I don't see anything especially criminal in it. "

"you do not see any racism in restricting a peoples capacity to invest based on their ethnicity? "

Do you call buying houses from KSerbs who had to leave Kosovo, investment?
Their main point was to prevent Serb exodus from Kosovo. How could they have tried to do it?
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as for you link, I maintain it is total garbage. the reason why the Serbs refused to sign the Rambulliet accords was because of a referendum clause. no other reason. do not forget the russians designed the accords too
(Nikolle, 10 February 2012 11:47)

What exactly is total garbage? This is the copy from the accord, don't you believe it? If this is not occupation, then what is occupation?

Referendum clause was one more reason not to sign the accord.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Kosovo has nothing to lose if it sticks strictly to its constitution and Ahtisari plan.
(EA, 10 February 2012 09:53)

If you don't want real negotiations with Serbia and real compromize, KAlbs won't be accepted into EU (if this is what you want). You will always be poor, unemployed and uneducated, but with great pride.

EA

pre 12 godina

"...because United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 says that Kosovo belongs to the Country of Serbia."

Where the hell did you read that? Maybe in any Serbian orthodox churches "archives"?

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

"Imagine, KAlbs collect money and build schools for KSerbs, where KSerbs teach their children what *** KAlbs are.

BTW KAlbs had rights to establish their own private schools. "

How an Earth is studying sciences against the state? Are you out of your head?

"Do you call buying houses from KSerbs who had to leave Kosovo, investment?
Their main point was to prevent Serb exodus from Kosovo. How could they have tried to do it? "

What exodus? Have you not read the official statistics from Belgrade that show the Serb populace increase in Kosova from 1974 -1989? No this was purely a law set out to discriminate against one ethnic group.

As for your link, it is bollocks. There is nothing in it about NATO say being in charge, nothing in it about NATO troops being stationed in ANYWHERE outside Kosova. You carry on believing garbage however

icj1

pre 12 godina

I believe that they had choice, they just didn't have anything to do with Serbian government.
(aaayyy, 10 February 2012 20:28)

no, dear, they did not have a choice because Serbia's government did not include Kosovo Albanians in the voters' list for the Constitution while on the same time considering them citizens of Serbia in that same Constitution !!!

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

I do not see why so many People are accusing the Serbian Constitution for anything, because United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 says that Kosovo belongs to the Country of Serbia.

As we all know, America and the European Union wanted Serbia to have a new Democratic Constitution, because Slobodan Milosevic was found dead at The Hague without being convicted of the Serious Allegations against him.

As United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 says that Kosovo belongs to the Country of Serbia, it would only have been normal to have a Constitution for the entire Country; and even America and the European Union approved of the new Serbian Constitution when it was approved in October 2006.

As we know Albania said that the Serbian Constitution would not make any difference to stealing Kosovo, and that was before any Serb had even seen the Ahtisaari Plan, and before fake talks that Ahtisaari would fraudulently preside over even began.

As we know, it was agreed to have Parliamentary Elections are the new Constitution was passed, and it was agreed to have the Ahtisaari sham negotiations after the Serbian Election in January of 2007, and they are the Facts.

icj1

pre 12 godina

If you don't want real negotiations with Serbia and real compromize, KAlbs won't be accepted into EU (if this is what you want). You will always be poor, unemployed and uneducated, but with great pride.
(aaayyy, 10 February 2012 17:23)

Sorry, but according to the brilliant and uparalleled economic and financial analysis of B92 forums' CE sj, EU is bankrupt, poor, unemployed and uneducated so it would be great for Kosovo not to be accepted by the EU.

P.S. CE = Chief Economist

icj1

pre 12 godina

I do not see why so many People are accusing the Serbian Constitution for anything, because United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 says that Kosovo belongs to the Country of Serbia.
(Yet Another J S, 11 February 2012 13:03)

Exactly, that’s why who you don’t understand it because the Arabic, Chinese, English, French and Russians versions of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 say nowhere that “Kosovo belongs to the Country of Serbia”. You must be referring to the Serbian version :).

trizo

pre 12 godina

what a waste of time reading that post from EA. I should have been smarter and looked at who wrote it before reading the story. There's one minute of my life I won't get back. Damn it!

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

people living in that territory did not have a choice to have their representatives in Gov' to make the decisions for them then change in constitution is not null and void.

(Engineer, 10 February 2012 19:46)

I believe that they had choice. But they just didn't WANT to have anything to do with Serbian government, so they didn't use their choice.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

Exactly, that’s why who you don’t understand it because the Arabic, Chinese, English, French and Russians versions of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 say nowhere that “Kosovo belongs to the Country of Serbia”. You must be referring to the Serbian version :).
(icj1, 11 February 2012 19:33)
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How thick are you? How many times do we have to tell you that Serbia is a successor to Yugoslavia which means that Kosovo is part of it?
Why do you insist on making a fool of yourself? Seriously, I don't think much of you but even I am starting to feel sorry for you.