Thaci against "special status", rejects Tadić's plan

Im laughing at Thaci right now to the point where I cant breathe. Does he really think hes going to continue with his "Theres nothing to Negotiate" rhetoric? Pristina wether they like it or not has to come to some form of agreement wtih Serbia. If not, they will never be part of the EU and say hello to decades of poverty. Serbia will never recognize Pristina's Declaration of Independence, accept it. Serbia will continue to keep its state institutions functioning in the North and in the Enclaves in the South which means the State of Serbia will always be present in Kosovo, accept it. Russia, China, and 5 EU countries support Serbia making it impossible for Kosovo to join the EU,UN, or NATO, accept it. So please tell me in what way Pristina will be able to prosper and give a better life to the people in Kosovo if they do not come to some form of agreement with Serbia. Theres no way. Serbia will never relinquish Kosovo and will continue to be present throughout the province, wherever there are Serbs there will be Serbia's State Institutions and Influence wether it be in the North in Zvecan or to the East in Novo Brdo or the South in Strpce or the West in Gorazdevac or in the center in Gracanica. Believe me wether you like it or not, Pristina will come to an agreement with Serbia regarding its political status. I frankly believe its going to be something like "Dual Sovereginty" in which Belgrade and Pristina can share sovereignty in Kosovo without giving up each others positions on the Status. In "Dual Sovereignty" Belgrade would maintain its State Institutions in the Serb areas while Pristina maintains its Institutions in Albanian areas. To the people who honestly think that the staus quo induced by Pristina will last, you are quite laughable. Im not saying Pristina will give up its claims that it is a state, but it will have to accept that Serbia will be present throughout Kosovo in the Serbian Majority areas.

What else would one expect from this idiot gangster anyway.

Just look at this protected criminal with those dreadful flags in the background. And yet there are those that still have the gall to claim that the ‘kosova’ independence project has nothing to do with the creation of a Greater Albania.

LOL that's ok since the north is also against any kind of "special status" within "Kosova" and doesn't give a damn what Pristina says. Sad though that Thaci is too stupid to see the advantage of granting a special status since the international community is going to grant it anyway. He might even be able to get additional support if he backs it. But instead he pushes for hardline ultimatums while talking about finding solutions and establishing a "rule of law". If he weren't such a bumbling idiot I'd actually be afraid of him :)

There will be no specific, special or autonomous treatment for any of ethnic communities or parts of Kosovo, Thaci said commenting on the announcements that Serbs from the north would recognize Kosovo, in case its northern part obtained a special status,"

What a hypocrite. If there should be no special treatment of any parts of Kosovo then why was it ok for special treatment in Serbias case? Why is it ok for Kosovo to declare independence but not ok for north Kosovo to split from Kosovo? None of this makes sense. Why do albanian flags fly in Kosovo? I thought that kosovo was a sovereign country. If it is why does a completely different coutries flag represent it? There are so many holes in this criminal enterprise, that its like swiss cheese. By the was that flag looks like pure evil. WHos idea was it to make a solid red flag, with a solid black demon looking eagle?

"I welcome everyone's readiness to recognize Kosovo, but Kosovo is one, unique, an independent and of course sovereign country."

Funny. Okay, at least with one thing he's right: Kosovo is indeed unique, at least in Europe: The only country where alleged criminals, former mafia clan leaders and election fakers are in power.

"...that flag looks like pure evil. WHos idea was it to make a solid red flag, with a solid black demon looking eagle?"
(ivan, 8 February 2012 16:18)
That was the flag of George Kastrioti Skanderbeg - the most important national hero of the Albanians. It terrified the enemies of the great warrior Skanderbeg then and it is having the same effect on you... Muhaaahaaah!

The funny thing is, nobody cares what you think Thaci. You are just a low life criminal who have been given a 'above the law' status. A petty criminal without the possibility to get caught seems really big indeed.

The West represents Albanian interest in Kosovo until they of course leave, as they cannot stay forever and Albanians are doing nothing to create a viable society of your own.

Wake up Albs, Mitrovica is not the reason why your life is completely terrible and unbearable..it is a fact you lived better under Milosevic than the KLA.

Why on Earth you would a crown on your flag! Have we ordinary people had not enough of Kings and Queens?! BTW at the end of the day its only a flag! Just wondered why a crown in a perfectly parliamentarian republic!
(femi, 8 February 2012 20:18)

You're absolutely right. A double-headed dragon is far more rational and realistic than a crown in the 21st century :)

but not ok for north Kosovo to split from Kosovo? None of this makes sense. Why do albanian flags fly in Kosovo? I thought that kosovo was a sovereign country. If it is why does a completely different coutries flag represent it? There are so many holes in this criminal enterprise, that its like swiss cheese. By the was that flag looks like pure evil. WHos idea was it to make a solid red flag, with a solid black demon looking eagle?
(ivan, 8 February 2012 16:18)

Why can't Preshevo Valley do the same as northern Mitro?

Next;

What is wrong with Serbian flag with that white eagle looking like DEVIL?

Please, enlightened us all with your myth thoughts.

(ivan, 8 February 2012 16:18)
Albans just use the Byzantine war flag, so it was the Byzantine's idea to make a flag like that. But they used a golden eagle as their coat of arms and many more country's use a eagle as their national symbol: like Russia and Germany.

And thank you Thaci; Northern Kosovo doesn't need a special status because it will not be a part of your Kosovo republic!

The Western goal was to stop the mess.
(Reader, 7 February 2012 20:55)

The Western goal was to bring Western ally KAlbs to victory. If the Western goal had been to stop the mess the West would have said to KAlbs to stop their rebellion. If the West had allowed Milosevic to win the mess would have stopped even sooner.
(aaayyy)
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It was tried in Autumn 1998 with an agreement with no troops on the ground.
(Reader, 7 February 2012 20:55)

Yes, in Autumn 1998 Milosevic withdrew his troops and the KLA immediately regroupped and took the land.
(aaayyy)
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. The point on access to the whole of FRY was a small detail
(Reader, 7 February 2012 20:55)

I like it - the occupation of a whole country by foreign troops is called "a small detail"
(aaayyy)

Actually it would have been great if NATO intervention had been truely humanitarian and neutral. But it wasn't - NATO sided with the KLA, because intervening as neutral force is much risky.

It would have been great if NATO purpose had been to change the barbaric methods of the war with noble ones, but it wasn't the case - NATO didn't change the methods of the war, it changed the cause of the war - intially Serbs were winning, after NATO intervention they lost, that's all - nothing humanitarian in it.

when did the West ever threaten to occupy the whole of Yugoslavia? Seriously, you have to get off the conspiracy section and allow your rational head (if you have one, though having read your posts I doubt that very much) to take control
(Nikolle, 8 February 2012 23:30)

Read the Rambouillet agreement that they tried to force the former Yugoslavia to sign.

When you try to be a smart arse try getting your facts right first and avoid foot in mouth.

Then what remains is a perpetual stalemate and perhaps a few more minor recognitions. What a shame for the good Kosovo Albanian people. Thaci is playing a card that only super powers can play. Only super powers can say "we will not bend..." He thinks way too highly of himself.

"Why do albanian flags fly in Kosovo? I thought that kosovo was a sovereign country. If it is why does a completely different coutries flag represent it?"
(ivan, 8 February 2012 16:18)

That's amazing, indeed. Imagine people in Austria would fly German flags instead the ones of their own country - they would never do that!

.it is a fact you lived better under Milosevic than the KLA.
(Ari Gold, 8 February 2012 19:08)

Preposterous comment which shows how truly desperate you are.

love you thaqi you are the best.you are doing very well.
(FLORI, 8 February 2012 23:37)

Don't you know kosovo albanians demographic war is over? They may have outbred the serbs despite having access to modern medical care in the SFRY, but the downside is that they cannot pay for themselves. A nation on western and arab benefits. Unique indeed.

God I'm sick and tired of reading your albanian propaganda. B92 is a serbian news site/agency. Go and comment on your own news sites, ohh...wait. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY!! What are you actually even proud of? Be happy, be very happy that you had american support. You were so poor back in Albania that you ancestors moved too Yugoslavia for better standard of living + being able to get an actual job. Is that how you repay a nation and it's citizens? By first accepting their their hospitality, then multiplying, throwing them out from their own land and than claiming it for your own? I respect Tito but he was too weak when it came to you. And PLEASE, stop being proud of nothing. You really have nothing to be proud of. You didn't even have the decency to change the name of your so called "independent" nation. Kosovo is a serbian word, black bird. NOT Albanian. Sweet jesus I feel sorry for you mislead people.

"...that flag looks like pure evil. WHos idea was it to make a solid red flag, with a solid black demon looking eagle?"
(ivan, 8 February 2012 16:18)

haha. funy ivan.

i actually had a good look at Alb, Serb and Kos, flags, and I definitely would go for KS flag just because it has nothing to do with the past!

But the most wired flag to me looked the Serbian flag! Too many colours, too many things in it. To me it looked like child play flag! And the most interesting thing was you have a crown on your flag?!?!?! Why on Earth you would a crown on your flag! Have we ordinary people had not enough of Kings and Queens?! BTW at the end of the day its only a flag! Just wondered why a crown in a perfectly parliamentarian republic!

"Unisersities shouldn't have used state building to teach anti-state history curriculum. "

rubbish. students studying English, Science, International Law should be barred from University buildings because?....again, you have no idea what you're talking about

"It was politics to prevent Serb exodus from Kosovo. I don't see anything especially criminal in it. "

you do not see any racism in restricting a peoples capacity to invest based on their ethnicity? a people by the way who made up 9/10ths of the population, who were born in Yugoslavia (if we now follow legality) and were therefor citizens. what kind of concepts about equality do you follow?

"Under "behave as civilians" I mean KAlbs shouldn't have allowed the KLA to shoot at YU police and then hide in civilian settlements among women and children."

Oh I se, you mean the Albanians should have respected the law that was designed to discriminate against them in all forms of state institutions, civic or otherwise and simply accepted their fate as second class citizens? i wonder how you feel about the Serbs of Krajina, who funnily enough did not have it enshrined in law that they would be treated differently because they weren't Croats.

as for you link, I maintain it is total garbage. the reason why the Serbs refused to sign the Rambulliet accords was because of a referendum clause. no other reason. do not forget the russians designed the accords too

We the children of the sun god will put up a statue of him in Skopje with his thumbs up of course, right next to Zeus and Agamemnon.

Is that what the Skanderbeg division of Hitlerr's SS used when they raped and murdered the crap out of Serbs in Kosovo in ww2? That is the only reason that there is a majority Albo's in Kosovo btw (well that and they can't figure out how to use birth control)

Just look at this protected criminal with those dreadful flags in the background. And yet there are those that still have the gall to claim that the ‘kosova’ independence project has nothing to do with the creation of a Greater Albania.
(Ultan, 8 February 2012 15:31)
If you notice the picture has file stamped on it and if you look at Thaci you can see this is a picture from years not months ago. I am sure it was no accident that a picture in front of all Albanian flags was chosen in order to create the same reaction as yours.

love you thaqi you are the best.you are doing very well.

Nikolle - I fully agree with sj. Stop being a smart arse. The House of Lords, in its report on 1999, explicitly highlights Belgrade's concerns about NATO having full access to Yugoslavia as a major contributory reason why Rambouillet fell through. Or is that just pro-Serb propaganda as well?

I really think this is good for the Serbian side. Like some say; Thaci is stupid, he will lose it all.
Also, its quite fun to see Thaci in his fake Armani suit with his smile and his fake self confidence. I often wonder, will he look the same when he is sentenced for the organ harvesting ? ;-)
You see, all investigators are not american and all former staff did not always obey not to copy material.

We dont care for what S*** your saying Thaci. The whole Kosovo is Serbian province and that's the fact. you cannot remove this territory away from Serbia.

hahaha good for you and your gangsters are protected by US and NATO. but that will never be forever.

Soon you will face justice in a Serbian court for all the Serbs and non Serbs victims of the KLA.

And there you go again, still being a smart arse. As it happens, the Lords did share those concerns. It made it clear that this provision should not have been included if there was a real intention to reach a peaceful solution. It knew full well that such a provision would not be acceptable to any sovereign state.

"I like it - the occupation of a whole country"

when did the West ever threaten to occupy the whole of Yugoslavia? Seriously, you have to get off the conspiracy section and allow your rational head (if you have one, though having read your posts I doubt that very much) to take control
(Nikolle, 8 February 2012 23:30)

The conflict began when Milosevic refused to sign the Rambouillet accord. This insolent piece of paper demanded the abject capitulation of Yugoslavia which was to prostrate itself before imperialism. NATO troops were to be given unlimited access to the whole of Yugoslavia with no legal constraints. For example point 6a "NATO shall be immune from all legal process, whether civil, administrative or criminal" NATO troops were to be allowed "free and unrestricted passage and unimpeded access throughout the territory of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia" with control of the mass media at their disposal, "the parties shall...grant all telecommunications services, including broadcast services, needed for the Operation, as determined by NATO...free of cost." In short they arrogantly demanded to occupy a country they had not even defeated in war.

http://www.marxist.com/Europe-old/kosovo8.htm

Do some research before trolling news sites from other countries

"I like it - the occupation of a whole country"

when did the West ever threaten to occupy the whole of Yugoslavia? Seriously, you have to get off the conspiracy section and allow your rational head (if you have one, though having read your posts I doubt that very much) to take control

I wonder, how well would spend Thaçi his money if he would donate some to B92 baby incubator campaign. Probably a good idea to make Serbs in North feel better but because that makes sense - it won't happen ever.

"I am not speaking about moral aspect of it, but in order to win over a guerrilla army one should move population away from the areas where guerrillas are most activity"
(aaayyy)

oh I see, so that is what they were doing when they were kicking us out!
(Nikolle)

Yes, exactly, and the responsibility for it wasn't only on YU army, but also on the KLA.

If KAlbanians wanted to be treated as civilians they should have behaved as civilians, not as part of the KLA.

Nikolle - As Professor Sir Adam Robert, from Oxford University, one of Britain's most respected professors of International Relations, and currently the President of the British Academy, stated in his evidence before the House of Lords:

"on one level a complete scandal, and it shows an absence of any understanding whatever of Serbian society, because to write into a military agreement that the Yugoslav Government had to accept NATO troop rights, not merely in transit but manoeuvre and goodness knows what else, was outrageous, bearing in mind that Yugoslavia is a country where it had been a constitutional offence, under the Tito constitution, and since 1971 actually, to accept the presence of foreign forces on Yugoslav soil. And it is not correct to say, as has been commonly done, including still today by Wes Clark, that the military agreement was simply a carbon copy of the Dayton Agreement in respect of Yugoslavia. There are provisions in there that were not in the Dayton Agreement."

And here is the relevant conclusion by the Committee on the matter:

We conclude that, whatever the actual impact of the Military Annex of the Rambouillet proposals on the negotiations, NATO was guilty of a serious blunder in allowing a Status of Forces Agreement into the package which would never have been acceptable to the Yugoslav side, since it was a significant infringement of its sovereignty.

I fully agree that there are indeed a lot of conspiracies in the Balkans, but this is not actually one of them. Can't you just admit that on this issue, you made a mistake. You might have a bit more credibility if you are just willing to accept when you are wrong. It happens to all of us from time-to-time.

"If the West had allowed Milosevic to win the mess would have stopped even sooner. "

How do you suppose that would have gone? Is it ever possible to beat a guerrilla army that enjoys popular support? Even the Americans couldn't defeat the Vietcong. get your hands out of the sand, the situation in Kosova needed addressing and finally solving. Serb logic was thus : "the Albanians haven't taken guns so it must be OK." the war was the culmination of all problems, but it was not an instigator of it. or are you one of those here who believe that the West caused everything?

To Nicolle:

According to Appendix B:

NATO personnel shall enjoy, together with their vehicles, vessels, aircraft, and equipment, free and unrestricted passage and unimpeded access throughout the FRY including associated airspace and territorial waters. This shall include, but not be limited to, the right of bivouac, maneuver, billet, and utilization of any areas or facilities as required for support, training, and operations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rambouillet_Agreement

Funny. Okay, at least with one thing he's right: Kosovo is indeed unique, at least in Europe: The only country where alleged criminals, former mafia clan leaders and election fakers are in power.
(Comm. Parrisson, 8 February 2012 16:51)

I agree since most of Russia is in Asia and can't be counted as a European country :)

"you mean we should have observed the law, which barred us access to university buildings"
(Nikolle)

Unisersities shouldn't have used state building to teach anti-state history curriculum.
(aaayyy)

forbade us from buying land or property from a Serb
(Nicolle)

It was politics to prevent Serb exodus from Kosovo. I don't see anything especially criminal in it.
(aaayyy)

Under "behave as civilians" I mean KAlbs shouldn't have allowed the KLA to shoot at YU police and then hide in civilian settlements among women and children.

Would you expect anything else from thaci the thug. American foreign policy is looking bad everyday on this one. But worse still is watching tadic giving away Serbian sovereignty. Not Happy Diaspora Just Plain Disgusted.

That is the only reason that there is a majority Albo's in Kosovo btw (well that and they can't figure out how to use birth control)
(Australian, 9 February 2012 02:20)

You should concern yourself with the sinful abortion rate in Serbia, which is the highest in all of Europe, that coupled with an already low birth rate because Serbian woman no longer find it chic to have babies is your real problem.

"Yes, exactly, and the responsibility for it wasn't only on YU army, but also on the KLA.

If KAlbanians wanted to be treated as civilians they should have behaved as civilians, not as part of the KLA."

define behave as civilians. you mean we should have observed the law, which barred us access to university buildings, forbade us from buying land or property from a Serb? you really have no idea what you're talking about. oh and Jim, I maintain, there was nothing, not a SINGLE thing about NATO troops occupying the whole of Yugoslavia, no matter what conspiracy theory you believe.

Thaci forgets that North Kosovo territory and it citizens decide their fate ultimately. They are equal to every citizen of Kosovo, which means they are free to decide for themselves. I really hope they go ahead with this referendum and make themselves heard.
Thaci also is mistakenly afraid of VV (Vetëvendosje movement) because he mistakenly thinks they are similar to arab country protesters, i.e violent. What upsets me is he sees the protesters in Albania in a negative light as well. He is speaking out of misplaced fear. I have noticed that since the wave of protests worldwide have caused many leaders to to be anxious about their position.
I am Albanian, I ask my compatriates to remember how oppressed and helpless you felt just a couple of years ago, in 99' or 2007 for example, and not to cause the same to other people. No one can control anyone else, let alone Serbs who are a bit "too much to handle" to us Albanians. Stop pretending on this forum. All else is an illusion. You can only control your own fate.
This is the solution we albs always wanted but admit it we are afraid of a nightmare scenario where we might risk too much, take steps back, get tricked viscously, put ourselves in danger again. That's in the past. It's not shameful being honest.
Peace \|

"I am not speaking about moral aspect of it, but in order to win over a guerrilla army one should move population away from the areas where guerrillas are most activity"

oh I see, so that is what they were doing when they were kicking us out!

Australian

you want me to believe a Marxist source? do you know that the Rambouillet accords were also drawn up by the Russians? what next, Kennedy's assassin was really an Albanian?

...oh and trizio, yes its true, we've signed a pact with the Devil. all we have to give him in return are muffins every tuesday....

"...explicitly highlights Belgrade's concern..."

Yes...sure. do you know what that means? it doesn't mean the house of lords shares those concerns.

I've read it, there's nothing about NATO troops in say Nis or Belgrade. There's also nothing, not a thing about occupying the whole of Yugoslavia. There are NATO troops in Kosova, that though was to be expected, considering how unpopular yugoslav forces were with the people of Kosova. p.s. you still haven't told how Kosova is a strategic place and strategic for what?

By the was that flag looks like pure evil. WHos idea was it to make a solid red flag, with a solid black demon looking eagle?
(ivan, 8 February 2012 16:18)

What is wrong with Serbian flag with that white eagle looking like DEVIL?

Please, enlightened us all with your myth thoughts.
(ardi asllani, 8 February 2012 16:48)

Ok Ardi, I'll enlighten you but there's nothing mythical about it.

Albanian Flag: http://www.appliedlanguage.com/flags_of_the_world/large_flag_of_albania.gif

Flag of the devil: http://www.denmarkonline.dk/sites/all/modules/htmlarea/xinha-nightly/plugins/ImageManager/demo_images/billeder/satanic.gif

If you can't see the striking resemblance then you must be a) colour blind or b) in denial

Unisersities shouldn't have used state building to teach anti-state history curriculum.
(aaayyy)

Wooow, you sound like coming from Stalin’s Russia :) If a university teaches garbage, you don’t need the state to take repressive measures – that university will die by itself because nobody will go there.
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It was politics to prevent Serb exodus from Kosovo. I don't see anything especially criminal in it.
(aaayyy)

Exactly… it is precisely because you and many others like you in Serbia see nothing wrong with laws discriminating based on ethnicity that Kosovo decided to be independent from Serbia.
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Under "behave as civilians" I mean KAlbs shouldn't have allowed the KLA to shoot at YU police and then hide in civilian settlements among women and children.
(aaayyy, 9 February 2012 19:25)

Dear, KALbs were not appointed by anybody to police Kosovo, unless they were members of the YU police. If KLA members shoot at YU police, the police should go after the KLA members and deliver them to the justice system for punishment. If a person shoots at police in a Belgrade neighborhood , I have not heard that the Belgrade police goes and punishes the entire neighborhood for allowing that person shoot at the Belgrade police !

Not sure if you put your mind a little bit in motion before you write :)

Is it ever possible to beat a guerrilla army that enjoys popular support?
(Nikolle)

I am not speaking about moral aspect of it, but in order to win over a guerrilla army one should move population away from the areas where guerrillas are most active.

@ Dibrani007,

Kosovo's birthrate is actually now in decline...

Dear people,
there really was no need to put our beloved German and Turkish troops in Belgrade and Serbia in 1999 and start a useless wasteful ground war. You will come to us of your own accord and desire. We are embracing you slowly already. There is no way out but joining us of your own free will. Joining us has no alternative. Whatever you little left-over marxists may say this is what will happen...

What else would one expect from this idiot gangster anyway.

but not ok for north Kosovo to split from Kosovo? None of this makes sense. Why do albanian flags fly in Kosovo? I thought that kosovo was a sovereign country. If it is why does a completely different coutries flag represent it? There are so many holes in this criminal enterprise, that its like swiss cheese. By the was that flag looks like pure evil. WHos idea was it to make a solid red flag, with a solid black demon looking eagle?
(ivan, 8 February 2012 16:18)

Why can't Preshevo Valley do the same as northern Mitro?

Next;

What is wrong with Serbian flag with that white eagle looking like DEVIL?

Please, enlightened us all with your myth thoughts.

"...that flag looks like pure evil. WHos idea was it to make a solid red flag, with a solid black demon looking eagle?"
(ivan, 8 February 2012 16:18)
That was the flag of George Kastrioti Skanderbeg - the most important national hero of the Albanians. It terrified the enemies of the great warrior Skanderbeg then and it is having the same effect on you... Muhaaahaaah!

LOL that's ok since the north is also against any kind of "special status" within "Kosova" and doesn't give a damn what Pristina says. Sad though that Thaci is too stupid to see the advantage of granting a special status since the international community is going to grant it anyway. He might even be able to get additional support if he backs it. But instead he pushes for hardline ultimatums while talking about finding solutions and establishing a "rule of law". If he weren't such a bumbling idiot I'd actually be afraid of him :)

Just look at this protected criminal with those dreadful flags in the background. And yet there are those that still have the gall to claim that the ‘kosova’ independence project has nothing to do with the creation of a Greater Albania.

.it is a fact you lived better under Milosevic than the KLA.
(Ari Gold, 8 February 2012 19:08)

Preposterous comment which shows how truly desperate you are.

"...that flag looks like pure evil. WHos idea was it to make a solid red flag, with a solid black demon looking eagle?"
(ivan, 8 February 2012 16:18)

haha. funy ivan.

i actually had a good look at Alb, Serb and Kos, flags, and I definitely would go for KS flag just because it has nothing to do with the past!

But the most wired flag to me looked the Serbian flag! Too many colours, too many things in it. To me it looked like child play flag! And the most interesting thing was you have a crown on your flag?!?!?! Why on Earth you would a crown on your flag! Have we ordinary people had not enough of Kings and Queens?! BTW at the end of the day its only a flag! Just wondered why a crown in a perfectly parliamentarian republic!

love you thaqi you are the best.you are doing very well.

"I like it - the occupation of a whole country"

when did the West ever threaten to occupy the whole of Yugoslavia? Seriously, you have to get off the conspiracy section and allow your rational head (if you have one, though having read your posts I doubt that very much) to take control

There will be no specific, special or autonomous treatment for any of ethnic communities or parts of Kosovo, Thaci said commenting on the announcements that Serbs from the north would recognize Kosovo, in case its northern part obtained a special status,"

What a hypocrite. If there should be no special treatment of any parts of Kosovo then why was it ok for special treatment in Serbias case? Why is it ok for Kosovo to declare independence but not ok for north Kosovo to split from Kosovo? None of this makes sense. Why do albanian flags fly in Kosovo? I thought that kosovo was a sovereign country. If it is why does a completely different coutries flag represent it? There are so many holes in this criminal enterprise, that its like swiss cheese. By the was that flag looks like pure evil. WHos idea was it to make a solid red flag, with a solid black demon looking eagle?

"If the West had allowed Milosevic to win the mess would have stopped even sooner. "

How do you suppose that would have gone? Is it ever possible to beat a guerrilla army that enjoys popular support? Even the Americans couldn't defeat the Vietcong. get your hands out of the sand, the situation in Kosova needed addressing and finally solving. Serb logic was thus : "the Albanians haven't taken guns so it must be OK." the war was the culmination of all problems, but it was not an instigator of it. or are you one of those here who believe that the West caused everything?

"I welcome everyone's readiness to recognize Kosovo, but Kosovo is one, unique, an independent and of course sovereign country."

Funny. Okay, at least with one thing he's right: Kosovo is indeed unique, at least in Europe: The only country where alleged criminals, former mafia clan leaders and election fakers are in power.

"...explicitly highlights Belgrade's concern..."

Yes...sure. do you know what that means? it doesn't mean the house of lords shares those concerns.

"I am not speaking about moral aspect of it, but in order to win over a guerrilla army one should move population away from the areas where guerrillas are most activity"

oh I see, so that is what they were doing when they were kicking us out!

Australian

you want me to believe a Marxist source? do you know that the Rambouillet accords were also drawn up by the Russians? what next, Kennedy's assassin was really an Albanian?

...oh and trizio, yes its true, we've signed a pact with the Devil. all we have to give him in return are muffins every tuesday....

The funny thing is, nobody cares what you think Thaci. You are just a low life criminal who have been given a 'above the law' status. A petty criminal without the possibility to get caught seems really big indeed.

The West represents Albanian interest in Kosovo until they of course leave, as they cannot stay forever and Albanians are doing nothing to create a viable society of your own.

Wake up Albs, Mitrovica is not the reason why your life is completely terrible and unbearable..it is a fact you lived better under Milosevic than the KLA.

I've read it, there's nothing about NATO troops in say Nis or Belgrade. There's also nothing, not a thing about occupying the whole of Yugoslavia. There are NATO troops in Kosova, that though was to be expected, considering how unpopular yugoslav forces were with the people of Kosova. p.s. you still haven't told how Kosova is a strategic place and strategic for what?

Just look at this protected criminal with those dreadful flags in the background. And yet there are those that still have the gall to claim that the ‘kosova’ independence project has nothing to do with the creation of a Greater Albania.
(Ultan, 8 February 2012 15:31)
If you notice the picture has file stamped on it and if you look at Thaci you can see this is a picture from years not months ago. I am sure it was no accident that a picture in front of all Albanian flags was chosen in order to create the same reaction as yours.

Im laughing at Thaci right now to the point where I cant breathe. Does he really think hes going to continue with his "Theres nothing to Negotiate" rhetoric? Pristina wether they like it or not has to come to some form of agreement wtih Serbia. If not, they will never be part of the EU and say hello to decades of poverty. Serbia will never recognize Pristina's Declaration of Independence, accept it. Serbia will continue to keep its state institutions functioning in the North and in the Enclaves in the South which means the State of Serbia will always be present in Kosovo, accept it. Russia, China, and 5 EU countries support Serbia making it impossible for Kosovo to join the EU,UN, or NATO, accept it. So please tell me in what way Pristina will be able to prosper and give a better life to the people in Kosovo if they do not come to some form of agreement with Serbia. Theres no way. Serbia will never relinquish Kosovo and will continue to be present throughout the province, wherever there are Serbs there will be Serbia's State Institutions and Influence wether it be in the North in Zvecan or to the East in Novo Brdo or the South in Strpce or the West in Gorazdevac or in the center in Gracanica. Believe me wether you like it or not, Pristina will come to an agreement with Serbia regarding its political status. I frankly believe its going to be something like "Dual Sovereginty" in which Belgrade and Pristina can share sovereignty in Kosovo without giving up each others positions on the Status. In "Dual Sovereignty" Belgrade would maintain its State Institutions in the Serb areas while Pristina maintains its Institutions in Albanian areas. To the people who honestly think that the staus quo induced by Pristina will last, you are quite laughable. Im not saying Pristina will give up its claims that it is a state, but it will have to accept that Serbia will be present throughout Kosovo in the Serbian Majority areas.

We the children of the sun god will put up a statue of him in Skopje with his thumbs up of course, right next to Zeus and Agamemnon.

"Why do albanian flags fly in Kosovo? I thought that kosovo was a sovereign country. If it is why does a completely different coutries flag represent it?"
(ivan, 8 February 2012 16:18)

That's amazing, indeed. Imagine people in Austria would fly German flags instead the ones of their own country - they would never do that!

God I'm sick and tired of reading your albanian propaganda. B92 is a serbian news site/agency. Go and comment on your own news sites, ohh...wait. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY!! What are you actually even proud of? Be happy, be very happy that you had american support. You were so poor back in Albania that you ancestors moved too Yugoslavia for better standard of living + being able to get an actual job. Is that how you repay a nation and it's citizens? By first accepting their their hospitality, then multiplying, throwing them out from their own land and than claiming it for your own? I respect Tito but he was too weak when it came to you. And PLEASE, stop being proud of nothing. You really have nothing to be proud of. You didn't even have the decency to change the name of your so called "independent" nation. Kosovo is a serbian word, black bird. NOT Albanian. Sweet jesus I feel sorry for you mislead people.

"Unisersities shouldn't have used state building to teach anti-state history curriculum. "

rubbish. students studying English, Science, International Law should be barred from University buildings because?....again, you have no idea what you're talking about

"It was politics to prevent Serb exodus from Kosovo. I don't see anything especially criminal in it. "

you do not see any racism in restricting a peoples capacity to invest based on their ethnicity? a people by the way who made up 9/10ths of the population, who were born in Yugoslavia (if we now follow legality) and were therefor citizens. what kind of concepts about equality do you follow?

"Under "behave as civilians" I mean KAlbs shouldn't have allowed the KLA to shoot at YU police and then hide in civilian settlements among women and children."

Oh I se, you mean the Albanians should have respected the law that was designed to discriminate against them in all forms of state institutions, civic or otherwise and simply accepted their fate as second class citizens? i wonder how you feel about the Serbs of Krajina, who funnily enough did not have it enshrined in law that they would be treated differently because they weren't Croats.

as for you link, I maintain it is total garbage. the reason why the Serbs refused to sign the Rambulliet accords was because of a referendum clause. no other reason. do not forget the russians designed the accords too

Why on Earth you would a crown on your flag! Have we ordinary people had not enough of Kings and Queens?! BTW at the end of the day its only a flag! Just wondered why a crown in a perfectly parliamentarian republic!
(femi, 8 February 2012 20:18)

You're absolutely right. A double-headed dragon is far more rational and realistic than a crown in the 21st century :)

(ivan, 8 February 2012 16:18)
Albans just use the Byzantine war flag, so it was the Byzantine's idea to make a flag like that. But they used a golden eagle as their coat of arms and many more country's use a eagle as their national symbol: like Russia and Germany.

And thank you Thaci; Northern Kosovo doesn't need a special status because it will not be a part of your Kosovo republic!

That is the only reason that there is a majority Albo's in Kosovo btw (well that and they can't figure out how to use birth control)
(Australian, 9 February 2012 02:20)

You should concern yourself with the sinful abortion rate in Serbia, which is the highest in all of Europe, that coupled with an already low birth rate because Serbian woman no longer find it chic to have babies is your real problem.

@ Dibrani007,

Kosovo's birthrate is actually now in decline...

Funny. Okay, at least with one thing he's right: Kosovo is indeed unique, at least in Europe: The only country where alleged criminals, former mafia clan leaders and election fakers are in power.
(Comm. Parrisson, 8 February 2012 16:51)

I agree since most of Russia is in Asia and can't be counted as a European country :)

The Western goal was to stop the mess.
(Reader, 7 February 2012 20:55)

The Western goal was to bring Western ally KAlbs to victory. If the Western goal had been to stop the mess the West would have said to KAlbs to stop their rebellion. If the West had allowed Milosevic to win the mess would have stopped even sooner.
(aaayyy)
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It was tried in Autumn 1998 with an agreement with no troops on the ground.
(Reader, 7 February 2012 20:55)

Yes, in Autumn 1998 Milosevic withdrew his troops and the KLA immediately regroupped and took the land.
(aaayyy)
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. The point on access to the whole of FRY was a small detail
(Reader, 7 February 2012 20:55)

I like it - the occupation of a whole country by foreign troops is called "a small detail"
(aaayyy)

Actually it would have been great if NATO intervention had been truely humanitarian and neutral. But it wasn't - NATO sided with the KLA, because intervening as neutral force is much risky.

It would have been great if NATO purpose had been to change the barbaric methods of the war with noble ones, but it wasn't the case - NATO didn't change the methods of the war, it changed the cause of the war - intially Serbs were winning, after NATO intervention they lost, that's all - nothing humanitarian in it.

"I am not speaking about moral aspect of it, but in order to win over a guerrilla army one should move population away from the areas where guerrillas are most activity"
(aaayyy)

oh I see, so that is what they were doing when they were kicking us out!
(Nikolle)

Yes, exactly, and the responsibility for it wasn't only on YU army, but also on the KLA.

If KAlbanians wanted to be treated as civilians they should have behaved as civilians, not as part of the KLA.

We dont care for what S*** your saying Thaci. The whole Kosovo is Serbian province and that's the fact. you cannot remove this territory away from Serbia.

hahaha good for you and your gangsters are protected by US and NATO. but that will never be forever.

Soon you will face justice in a Serbian court for all the Serbs and non Serbs victims of the KLA.

when did the West ever threaten to occupy the whole of Yugoslavia? Seriously, you have to get off the conspiracy section and allow your rational head (if you have one, though having read your posts I doubt that very much) to take control
(Nikolle, 8 February 2012 23:30)

Read the Rambouillet agreement that they tried to force the former Yugoslavia to sign.

When you try to be a smart arse try getting your facts right first and avoid foot in mouth.

"Yes, exactly, and the responsibility for it wasn't only on YU army, but also on the KLA.

If KAlbanians wanted to be treated as civilians they should have behaved as civilians, not as part of the KLA."

define behave as civilians. you mean we should have observed the law, which barred us access to university buildings, forbade us from buying land or property from a Serb? you really have no idea what you're talking about. oh and Jim, I maintain, there was nothing, not a SINGLE thing about NATO troops occupying the whole of Yugoslavia, no matter what conspiracy theory you believe.

Unisersities shouldn't have used state building to teach anti-state history curriculum.
(aaayyy)

Wooow, you sound like coming from Stalin’s Russia :) If a university teaches garbage, you don’t need the state to take repressive measures – that university will die by itself because nobody will go there.
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It was politics to prevent Serb exodus from Kosovo. I don't see anything especially criminal in it.
(aaayyy)

Exactly… it is precisely because you and many others like you in Serbia see nothing wrong with laws discriminating based on ethnicity that Kosovo decided to be independent from Serbia.
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Under "behave as civilians" I mean KAlbs shouldn't have allowed the KLA to shoot at YU police and then hide in civilian settlements among women and children.
(aaayyy, 9 February 2012 19:25)

Dear, KALbs were not appointed by anybody to police Kosovo, unless they were members of the YU police. If KLA members shoot at YU police, the police should go after the KLA members and deliver them to the justice system for punishment. If a person shoots at police in a Belgrade neighborhood , I have not heard that the Belgrade police goes and punishes the entire neighborhood for allowing that person shoot at the Belgrade police !

Not sure if you put your mind a little bit in motion before you write :)

I wonder, how well would spend Thaçi his money if he would donate some to B92 baby incubator campaign. Probably a good idea to make Serbs in North feel better but because that makes sense - it won't happen ever.

Dear people,
there really was no need to put our beloved German and Turkish troops in Belgrade and Serbia in 1999 and start a useless wasteful ground war. You will come to us of your own accord and desire. We are embracing you slowly already. There is no way out but joining us of your own free will. Joining us has no alternative. Whatever you little left-over marxists may say this is what will happen...

I really think this is good for the Serbian side. Like some say; Thaci is stupid, he will lose it all.
Also, its quite fun to see Thaci in his fake Armani suit with his smile and his fake self confidence. I often wonder, will he look the same when he is sentenced for the organ harvesting ? ;-)
You see, all investigators are not american and all former staff did not always obey not to copy material.

"I like it - the occupation of a whole country"

when did the West ever threaten to occupy the whole of Yugoslavia? Seriously, you have to get off the conspiracy section and allow your rational head (if you have one, though having read your posts I doubt that very much) to take control
(Nikolle, 8 February 2012 23:30)

The conflict began when Milosevic refused to sign the Rambouillet accord. This insolent piece of paper demanded the abject capitulation of Yugoslavia which was to prostrate itself before imperialism. NATO troops were to be given unlimited access to the whole of Yugoslavia with no legal constraints. For example point 6a "NATO shall be immune from all legal process, whether civil, administrative or criminal" NATO troops were to be allowed "free and unrestricted passage and unimpeded access throughout the territory of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia" with control of the mass media at their disposal, "the parties shall...grant all telecommunications services, including broadcast services, needed for the Operation, as determined by NATO...free of cost." In short they arrogantly demanded to occupy a country they had not even defeated in war.

http://www.marxist.com/Europe-old/kosovo8.htm

Do some research before trolling news sites from other countries

Is that what the Skanderbeg division of Hitlerr's SS used when they raped and murdered the crap out of Serbs in Kosovo in ww2? That is the only reason that there is a majority Albo's in Kosovo btw (well that and they can't figure out how to use birth control)

By the was that flag looks like pure evil. WHos idea was it to make a solid red flag, with a solid black demon looking eagle?
(ivan, 8 February 2012 16:18)

What is wrong with Serbian flag with that white eagle looking like DEVIL?

Please, enlightened us all with your myth thoughts.
(ardi asllani, 8 February 2012 16:48)

Ok Ardi, I'll enlighten you but there's nothing mythical about it.

Albanian Flag: http://www.appliedlanguage.com/flags_of_the_world/large_flag_of_albania.gif

Flag of the devil: http://www.denmarkonline.dk/sites/all/modules/htmlarea/xinha-nightly/plugins/ImageManager/demo_images/billeder/satanic.gif

If you can't see the striking resemblance then you must be a) colour blind or b) in denial

love you thaqi you are the best.you are doing very well.
(FLORI, 8 February 2012 23:37)

Don't you know kosovo albanians demographic war is over? They may have outbred the serbs despite having access to modern medical care in the SFRY, but the downside is that they cannot pay for themselves. A nation on western and arab benefits. Unique indeed.

To Nicolle:

According to Appendix B:

NATO personnel shall enjoy, together with their vehicles, vessels, aircraft, and equipment, free and unrestricted passage and unimpeded access throughout the FRY including associated airspace and territorial waters. This shall include, but not be limited to, the right of bivouac, maneuver, billet, and utilization of any areas or facilities as required for support, training, and operations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rambouillet_Agreement

"you mean we should have observed the law, which barred us access to university buildings"
(Nikolle)

Unisersities shouldn't have used state building to teach anti-state history curriculum.
(aaayyy)

forbade us from buying land or property from a Serb
(Nicolle)

It was politics to prevent Serb exodus from Kosovo. I don't see anything especially criminal in it.
(aaayyy)

Under "behave as civilians" I mean KAlbs shouldn't have allowed the KLA to shoot at YU police and then hide in civilian settlements among women and children.

Is it ever possible to beat a guerrilla army that enjoys popular support?
(Nikolle)

I am not speaking about moral aspect of it, but in order to win over a guerrilla army one should move population away from the areas where guerrillas are most active.

Would you expect anything else from thaci the thug. American foreign policy is looking bad everyday on this one. But worse still is watching tadic giving away Serbian sovereignty. Not Happy Diaspora Just Plain Disgusted.

Nikolle - I fully agree with sj. Stop being a smart arse. The House of Lords, in its report on 1999, explicitly highlights Belgrade's concerns about NATO having full access to Yugoslavia as a major contributory reason why Rambouillet fell through. Or is that just pro-Serb propaganda as well?

Then what remains is a perpetual stalemate and perhaps a few more minor recognitions. What a shame for the good Kosovo Albanian people. Thaci is playing a card that only super powers can play. Only super powers can say "we will not bend..." He thinks way too highly of himself.

Thaci forgets that North Kosovo territory and it citizens decide their fate ultimately. They are equal to every citizen of Kosovo, which means they are free to decide for themselves. I really hope they go ahead with this referendum and make themselves heard.
Thaci also is mistakenly afraid of VV (Vetëvendosje movement) because he mistakenly thinks they are similar to arab country protesters, i.e violent. What upsets me is he sees the protesters in Albania in a negative light as well. He is speaking out of misplaced fear. I have noticed that since the wave of protests worldwide have caused many leaders to to be anxious about their position.
I am Albanian, I ask my compatriates to remember how oppressed and helpless you felt just a couple of years ago, in 99' or 2007 for example, and not to cause the same to other people. No one can control anyone else, let alone Serbs who are a bit "too much to handle" to us Albanians. Stop pretending on this forum. All else is an illusion. You can only control your own fate.
This is the solution we albs always wanted but admit it we are afraid of a nightmare scenario where we might risk too much, take steps back, get tricked viscously, put ourselves in danger again. That's in the past. It's not shameful being honest.
Peace \|

Nikolle - As Professor Sir Adam Robert, from Oxford University, one of Britain's most respected professors of International Relations, and currently the President of the British Academy, stated in his evidence before the House of Lords:

"on one level a complete scandal, and it shows an absence of any understanding whatever of Serbian society, because to write into a military agreement that the Yugoslav Government had to accept NATO troop rights, not merely in transit but manoeuvre and goodness knows what else, was outrageous, bearing in mind that Yugoslavia is a country where it had been a constitutional offence, under the Tito constitution, and since 1971 actually, to accept the presence of foreign forces on Yugoslav soil. And it is not correct to say, as has been commonly done, including still today by Wes Clark, that the military agreement was simply a carbon copy of the Dayton Agreement in respect of Yugoslavia. There are provisions in there that were not in the Dayton Agreement."

And here is the relevant conclusion by the Committee on the matter:

We conclude that, whatever the actual impact of the Military Annex of the Rambouillet proposals on the negotiations, NATO was guilty of a serious blunder in allowing a Status of Forces Agreement into the package which would never have been acceptable to the Yugoslav side, since it was a significant infringement of its sovereignty.

I fully agree that there are indeed a lot of conspiracies in the Balkans, but this is not actually one of them. Can't you just admit that on this issue, you made a mistake. You might have a bit more credibility if you are just willing to accept when you are wrong. It happens to all of us from time-to-time.

And there you go again, still being a smart arse. As it happens, the Lords did share those concerns. It made it clear that this provision should not have been included if there was a real intention to reach a peaceful solution. It knew full well that such a provision would not be acceptable to any sovereign state.