Clinton to Bulgarians: Get rid of Russia

Get rid of Russia and freeze to death.

And the Yanks wonder why they are the most hated nation in history.

"U.S. Secretary of State Hilary Clinton will ask Bulgarian officials to end their country's energy dependency on Russia, according to reports."

I see, Madame Clinton, and I suppose you Yankees will be able to supply the Bulgarians with all the oil and gas that they need? And at cheaper rates too notwithstanding the physical distance between your Yankee Land and Bulgaria?

So if Bulgars do not bow to the request of this absent-minded lady or to be more precise to that of the powerfull jewish lobby which uses hilly as a puppet we will soon see on CNN reports of heavily opressed turkish minority inside Bulgaria which will be folowed by CIA sponsored Turkish uprising.A well know recepie.

Hillary is just upset and having a hissy fit because she is beginning to realize that the US is bankrupt and are not a superpower any more. The slap in the face from Russia and China over Syria is a prime example. She has no money to bribe the Bulgarians any more. In fact, she would have to borrow money from Russia and China, and then bribe the Bulgarians with it to try to get her way...lol.
Cheers!!

So if Bulgars do not bow to the request of this absent-minded lady or to be more precise to that of the powerfull jewish lobby which uses hilly as a puppet we will soon see on CNN reports of heavily opressed turkish minority inside Bulgaria which will be folowed by CIA sponsored Turkish uprising.A well know recepie.
(szemi, 6 February 2012 10:30

Bulgars will bow to Clinton's demands as they bowed to her demands for the cancellation of Russia-Burgas-Alexandroupolis pipeline which was designed to transfer Russian oil through the Bulgarian port of Burgas to Greece.The Russians even proposed to finance the whole project.Bulgaria raised enviromental concerns for the project whereas in fact, under strong pressure from US and EU,decided to sign for the Nabucco pipe dream project.More than 10 years have elapsed since Nabucco started and the project has been hit by financial and political problems.The initial cost of the project was $7-9 billion,last year it became $12-15 billion and the sources of financing it haven't been decided yet.In addition to the financial problems Turkey is demanding 15% discount on the price of its own supplies which makes the project unprofitable.

As far as Hillary is concerned there is not a lot to say because her views are those of the US military complex that rules the country.The killing and torture, rape and gassing goes on apace every day in Bahrain, where the United States has nothing to say about "democracy." In fact, just two weeks ago it's in the news that the US was moving its embassy further away from where the "disturbances" were occurring. This is more than merely symbolic; it shows, if showing is still needed, what kind of freedom-loving outfit Hillary Clinton represented.

Bob the yank is spreading his rubbish again. Bob, the US is controlled by the military industrial complex who don't give a damn about democracy or freedom, they only care about profits. They buy congressmen and senators, and they promote war and nation building. The US is not what it used to be. It has become a country run by a group of corporate fascists, who don't let the truth get in the way of a good war, and great profits.
You talk about some mythical 'fascism' in Bosnia and fail to refer to real fascism in Croatia and KLA run Kosovo, which your country, the US of A, supported and armed. Just like you supported Pinnochet, and you support that wonderfull democracy Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, killing squads in central America, islamists in Lybia, mujaheddin in Afghanistan when you fought the Soviet Union, you even supported Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. This is why everyone hates the US. Because you have become total hypocrites and war criminals, at the mercy of the military industrial complex who pull your strings. Good thing you are bankrupt, and you can no longer spread your garbage.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-06-06-us-owes-62-trillion-in-debt_n.htm
Cheers!!

The comment in the postings about America being the most hated country in history is not true - it is only hated by sections of the world who are caught up in their own bigoted mind sets. Most people have quite an affection for the yanks.
(Bob, 6 February 2012 14:43)
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Bob, I think you should a search on the internet and you'll see the US is somewhere at the top of the most hated countries in the world. In my experience, the only people who like the US are children and Albanians. The rest are either indifferent or hate the US.

Dear serbs,

I live in the USA and I must tell you that Hillary Clinton is losing touch with reality. America is a sinking ship. We now have Occupy wall street protests in many major cities with some nearing Anarchy. America will most definitely collapse on its current path. Social and economic problems are begging to drag this nation down the sewer.

Even during the cold war era, Russia (USSR) was providing reliable energy supplies to western Europe. Nothing has really changed, if they pay they get. Since the western puppets have been removed from Ukraine, supplies have become very reliable (in fact uninterrupted).

Sounds to me like Clinton is in a bit of a panic. I hope the Bulgarians can see that. Be loyal to the US and freeze or look after your own interests for a change.

(andrei, 6 February 2012 15:40)

To add something to your comment.According to the FBI more than 16million weapons were sold in 2011.Frightening.

Clinton is not wrong. Bulgarians should remember what happened to them during communist rule under Soviet/Russian influence.

Szemi & Leonidas : “Bulgars will bow to Clinton's demands …”

Everything is even much simpler than you both can imagine ! The Bulgarians fought on our side only once in their history ! It happened way back in the 19 century when we set them free. In all other wars they fought on the opposite side. They entered every anti Russian treaty they managed to enter. In between they always said they were the best friends of ours ! So one does not have to bow them ! They are happy to bow in front of any enemy of Russia. The problem is that they will soon pay us the new price for both natural gas and oil.

All due to the Clintons and the politics they conduct in the Middle East. . A week ago Gazprom has refused EU to increase the supplies. Just because it had no reserves for EU. While the EU production in Norway in Netherland and in the North Sea is falling year by year. And now this old lady calls for stopping the consumption of the Russian energy while the Bulgarians are traitors but not idiots. With the Black Sea frozen and the threat of the big war in the Gulf only idiots will refuse from the only energy source available. Even if they have a historical need to bite Russia to it’s back side.

...did she say this, or is it speculation?

Sorry, I forgot to add the link. Read about the benevolent USA, with its pick and chose politics.

Russian policymakers have developed an allergy to Western leaders' moralizing. Just as it was pressing al-Assad to resign, the U.S. State Department quietly lifted a ban on military aid to the Karimov dictatorship in Uzbekistan, which had butchered its own protesters a few years earlier. (Uzbekistan is important for supply lines to NATO troops in Afghanistan.) Neither did Washington press the king of Bahrain -- where the U.S. Navy has a port -- to step down after he crushed popular demonstrations in his capital.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/02/02/opinion/treisman-russia-syria/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

The Children of Krum, Symeon, and Kalojan now being given orders by the wife of Bubba. How the mighty have fallen.

The megalomaniacal Klintonka is pissed about Russia and Chia's UNSC vote on Syria. Seems like whoever goes against the wishes of this old political hack, must be punished. Take a look at a recent article from CNN, and get an idea of the hypocrisy of the US State Dept. What gives this evil empire the right to take the high horse, when they are no better or worse than others. Every nation just looks out for their own self-interests. USA is no different - maybe worse? BTW, I am not for Assad, but I am for the will of the people, and not the will of the USA.

Balance of terror. Russia tries everything to thwart Nabucco. That is why the US go to Plan B, severing South Stream in the middle and bringing it down completely. There is anyway no (economic) need for Southstream. It is just an attempt to counter the dwindling and almost completely gone influence in the Balkans.

So very easy. (If/When) Russia kills Nabucco then in exchange for that the US kill Southstream. In the end, Russia and Serbia lose. Greece already lost as somebody already noticed here.

The headline is misleading if she did not actually say those words.

It is reasonable to seek supply of fuel from a range of sources, particularly when a single source is know to be less than reliable.

The comment in the postings about America being the most hated country in history is not true - it is only hated by sections of the world who are caught up in their own bigoted mind sets. Most people have quite an affection for the yanks.

Having lived under a flight path of American defence air-planes for a great chunk of my life, I would like to thank the US for its interventions against fascism - in WW1, WW2 and the cold war in particular, and in other cases where fascist attitudes were seen - such as in Bosnia where the war was fought disgustingly and dishonourably and after three terrible years needed to be stopped. I am not surprised that they saw fit to intervene against Milosevic in Kosovo either given what had come before. He could not be allowed to do it twice. Note however, - I do not agree with the udi and think that Kosovo should be ruled autonomously and democratically under 'the new' Serbia.

We know that the US is heavily into trade - but I don't see anything particularly wrong with that - I don't think that attitudes to US trade deserve to be turned into hatred. After all, China, Russia, Japan, UK, Germany, Korea, …… , all want good world trade.

Whatever the rights and wrongs (and I agree that there are many wrongs as well as topics open to debate); the US has taken on the role of world's policeman simply because no one else is big enough able enough to do it. The US does not act alone. NATO is a LARGE grouping of lots of countries who generally have like-mind when it comes to wanting to stop dictators when a certain point has been crossed. The UN could do better if it stuck to its principles and was not ruled by the arbitrary veto. Russia and China do not look good in supporting the continued suppression of Syrian citizens - I think it is clear that these two counties are acting as a cover for their own political questionability.

The general message that people should live freely and in peace is at the heart of the US thinking - the US is not motivated by hatred - unlike many of the bigoted countries, nationalists and extremists, who have hatred as an essential ingredient of their bigoted mind-sets and and essential part of the propaganda they have to maintain to justify and motivate their own un-constructive existences.

The Russians were known for invading territories and suppressing the peoples - viz the invasion of Finland by Stalin, the suppression of Eastern Europe until the peoples demolished the wall in Berlin. The yanks have made mistakes - no doubt - but quite often they do the job of the worlds policeman quite well.

I do think that the US has a responsibility to review and learn from its mistakes - just as does Serbia.

It is mainly those that get policed that have something to complain about.

Go on - vote against this! …. I wrote it to wind things up….

…. and tell you that there is another legitimate point of view that says 'thanks' to the yanks.

Lets not forget the U.S. fiasco in Iraq. Abruptly pulling out after 8 years of occupation. Over 5,000 U.S. soldiers dead. Costing America trillions of dollars. Leaving the country on the verge of civil war.

Did America really think they could turn Iraq into a full fledged democracy in the heart of the middle east? Or was this just part of there sick geo-political divide and conquer strategy?

Why not tell the Germans the same thing. They are the most dependent.

The Bulgarians fought on our side only once in their history ! It happened way back in the 19 century when we set them free. In all other wars they fought on the opposite side. They entered every anti Russian treaty they managed to enter. In between they always said they were the best friends of ours ! So one does not have to bow them !
(rote, 6 February 2012 15:12)

There is a little coincidence: the times they were our enemies are usually marked with Bulgarian rulers having Germany family names. No kidding. Just google on "Saxe-Coburg" and "Battemberg".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bulgarian_monarchs

Than see, what family name comes up more than once after the 1990-s.

Do you think someone from Saxe-Coburg dynasty is a good friend of Serbs or Russians or maybe... just by a coincident... of Germans ;)

That largely excuses Bulgarians for me, no hard feelings. Germans were rarely friends of Serbs, Bulgarians or Russians... now if they happen to lead Bulgarians, than they did do it to a catastrophe.

Now let's see what happened after 1990...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_Bulgaria

The family name of PM like "Simeon Sakskoburggotskl" does sound interesting, doesn't it? I bet, a great friend of Russia and Serbia and has really nothing to do with the Saxe-Coburg dynasty ;)

Let’s not get too heated up over this issue as it’s only the US posturing. Nothing will delay the South stream pipeline, nothing at all.

It’s very easy for the Russians to divert the pipeline through the Danube and it can come out in Serbia – you have to remember that the middle part is international waters. Then what would happen to the Bulgarians you ask – how does freezing over sound.

Then the Russians can encourage the opposition to win the next elections, democratically of course just like the US does. Then there is stopping all NATO transport shipments to Afghanistan through Russia or Russian influenced territories. Now if the Bulgarians do not listen to the US and Clinton thinks they will start with Turkish minorities being oppressed the Russians can throw a few arms to the Kurds in Turkey and a few other minorities that have a score to settle with the Turks.

Once aging the United States of Piss and Wind is giving us the spray of pretending its top dog when it’s now just a little puppy.




(Bob, 6 February 2012 21:13)

Oh please you really are a very naïve man. Stamped what out mate? Nationalism is just under the surface.

The only reason NATO and US intervene is to control not to save anyone. If they did what you believe then why does it not intervene in Saudi Arabia?

Grow up Bob your answers are that of a petulant teenager who watches too much TV.

I think it's better do import oil and gas from Russia than from Iran and Iraq and similar unreliable countries.

Wrong!! I don't have to tell you who I am or where I originate from, but one clue is that I have never been to the US.

The US and NATO stamped on Serbian nationalism because of the violence that it utilised and the obvious sneering disregard for the lives of others displayed by the likes of Mladic and Karadic.

The US and NATO will intervene further if nationalism ever gets to any place where it can make trouble again.

The US was wrong on lots that it did in the Balkans - I will go as far as to say most of what it did in the Balkans. But the fact that it did it at all was to counter a bigger wrong.

And that made it right.

So do complain about the US. It won't make any difference. They are there to police you and will continue to do so.

By the way - I am pro-Serbia but very anti Serbian nationalism. We don't need the hatred and the consequent violence in Serbia. People want peace and jobs, not war and criminality.

In my view Milosevic was a traitor to Serbia - as are all the other nationalists who by their violence invited international intervention. Kosovo does belong to Serbia, but nasty nationalism lost it and will never win it back. The only route forward that might have any chance of changing things is to make friends with the US etc., and be nice to them. Maybe then a diplomatic solution will be forthcoming.

If not, I think we will just have to live as losers and live with what we've got.

…. please feel free to vote against this posting ….. although it won't change anything ….

I don't think the Saudis are going around arbitarily killing lots of people - so I don't see your point. Your example is just another ill-chosen bit of ill logic.

(Bob, 7 February 2012 03:58)

Yeah, except for this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNNTcHq5Tzk
Almost all the terrorists who planned and executed 9/11 were Saudis. What a wonderfull democracy and beacon of human rights that country is, eh Bob?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=941_1241449872
A great US ally. The US of A supports disgusting regimes, war criminals, and dictators all the time, as long as they are obedient to their wishes. Heck, they even replace democraticaly elected governments with dictators when it suits them. In ex-Yugoslavia alone, the US sponsored and helped with the Operation Storm genocide, helped the KLA organ snatching terrorists ethnicaly cleanse almost all Serbs from Kosovo, and helped bring islamo-fascist soldiers from the middle east into Bosnia. You're a silly, deluded, and lost man Bob. But hey, I guess the US of A relies on gullible simpletons like you to support them at every turn.
Cheers!!

So if Bulgars do not bow to the request of this absent-minded lady or to be more precise to that of the powerfull jewish lobby which uses hilly as a puppet we will soon see on CNN reports of heavily opressed turkish minority inside Bulgaria which will be folowed by CIA sponsored Turkish uprising.A well know recepie.
(szemi, 6 February 2012 10:30)

This is the old Nabucco - South Stream controversy. Nabucco is as good as dead... but wait, what is Nabucco? It's about to import energy from "stabile" countries like some "stans" with very-very democratic rulers, Azerbaijan is probably the best of them but even it is hopelessly communist. So in other words... it's about support of some medieval (Middle East) and commie regimes in the hope, they can be rallied against Russia somehow.

To bad... there is not clear at this point, what and from where Nabucco will transfer. Now comes the most bizarre fact. Indeed, Soros Gyuri bá and quite some others do favor it and indeed the lobby you did mention has something to do with it. But by supporting the conservative Arab countries like Saudi Arabia or some commie post-Soviet "Stans" (ever wonder why Turkmenbashi wasn't bashed way to much in America during his life?) they are essentially traitors of Eretz Israel. So wow, the true name of the Ephraim Zidrakowitz from Dohány utca is not Ephraim Zidrakowitz but Vuk Brankovic in worst sense of it. It starts with cheating the buyer by that little 500 Forint, ends by betraying his own kin. And by the way: how he knows that with 500 Ft he did not betray own kin already? Once in Brooklyn some other Zidrakowitz did try to cheat me out of ca. $200. He was caught and after winning the case I told him, he should be ashamed twice: for the deed alone and that he did cheat on own people. What he told me: "I don't care".

As I said, the Jews tend to be the best and the worst of a country. The country with the name "USA" had not a single war where they did not commit some of the ugliest of war crimes - be it in Dresden, Hirosima, Korea, VietNam, Yugoslavia. Obvioulsly, if you are a little villain Zidrakowitz from the Dohány Street - there is a lot to learn from (pure, WASP, goy) American political elite so you can become a bigger villain from the Wall Street. ;)

To Bob - so, Americans are mostly right, while Russians are always wrong...

The US is effectively a police force that stamped down on Serbia because of the terrible policies pursued by Milosevic.
(Bob, 7 February 2012 03:58)
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Police normally enforce the law Bob, not break it. Without a UNSCR authorising the bombing of Serbia, the US and NATO acted illegally. Also, prior to the intervention, the OSCE observer mission in KiM reported that the vast majority of provocations and ceasefire violations were done by the Albanians, which the OSCE reported as terrorist activities. Even your beloved US of A considered the KLA terrorists. However, most of that news was quickly buried so the illegal bombing could commence.

The world policemen, as you describe, are the most destructive force we have seen. They are raping country after country, destroying them and then using their assets (mainly oil) to enrich themselves.

Nationalism engulfed the whole of the former YU, it is just that your policemen supporter nationalists that were in favour and punished those that were not. When you get your head out of the sand Bob, you'll realise that your policemen are vicious bullies.

Bob, 7 February 2012 03:58)

“ I don't think the Saudis are going around arbitarily killing lots of people - so I don't see your point. Your example is just another ill-chosen bit of ill logic.”

Your ignorance is majestic to say the least; the Saudis kill anyone who lifts a finger against their regime; they only recently sent in tanks and armored personnel carriers into Bahrain to put down the “Arab Spring” in that country with the full blessing of the US. Can you guess how they did that? They killed hundreds. Is Saudi Arabia then a bad example?

“ The US is effectively a police force that stamped down on Serbia because of the terrible policies pursued by Milosevic. “

Please don’t talk rubbish. If the US is a police force then why did they not go into Rwanda where real genocide did take place??? They only used the Albanians to get a foothold in the Balkans – it’s a strategic region both militarily and politically.
The west killed 10 000 with their bombs and did not care in 1998 in Kosovo. It’s called self interest, nothing more and nothing less. Then they blamed Milosevic for those deaths; wow how original.

“The nationalists have had it from now on because the policeman is watching. I don't think that bit of reality is at all naive - or unjustified. “

How old are you? 10 going on 11 maybe?

“It doesn't matter if it is under the surface or on prominent display - nationalism will not be rewarded. All that is left for nationalists is to complain on B92! If nationalists get elected they will fail - they are powerless and know it. They will just make noise and then fizzle in the face of reality. “

What do you think the US does in schools every day? Raises the flag and kids sing the national anthem; why do you see Americans willing to go to war for their country? It’s called nationalism.
You do recall those marines urinating on dead Taliban bodies???? That is what happens during wars.

sj

You are rude - grow up yourself. I am not your 'mate' so don't be so pathetic in your choice of address.

I don't think the Saudis are going around arbitarily killing lots of people - so I don't see your point. Your example is just another ill-chosen bit of ill logic.

The US is effectively a police force that stamped down on Serbia because of the terrible policies pursued by Milosevic.

The nationalists have had it from now on because the policeman is watching. I don't think that bit of reality is at all naive - or unjustified.

It doesn't matter if it is under the surface or on prominent display - nationalism will not be rewarded. All that is left for nationalists is to complain on B92! If nationalists get elected they will fail - they are powerless and know it. They will just make noise and then fizzle in the face of reality.

I am not sure that nationalism has any effective meaning in Serbia anymore. It is a source of complaint but not of action.

Most people are more interested in making a living.

Good thing too.

(Bob, 7 February 2012 03:58

The corporate fascists that rule the US have appointed themselves as the world's policemen to the detriment of the rest of the world.You only have to look at the democracy they left in Iraq where hundreds of people are blown up on a daily basis in sectarian killings.It suffices to say that the whole country has been sent back to the stone age.

Look at Libya where black Libyans are being imprisoned because of the 'freedom and democracy' the US and its allies brought to Libya.The country is totally broken, fragmented, insecure, unstable, sovereign-less, beggarly mess controlled by indisciplined, brutal men with guns and under no control and with no direction.

On the bright side posters on this site are fortunate indeed to have anonymous trolls like yourself telling them how the world should be run.

Go away Hillary.. I wish for EU/American influence to remove it's tentacles from Bulgaria.. How about you worry about the Kurds in Turkey and northern Iraq, the Lybians, the Palestinians, just to name a few, they are people who are truly oppressed and are in need of support.. I don't see any Bulgarians suffering from big bad Vladimir Putin.. Where's Bill these days?

The arrogance and Tyranny of the USA is now reaching epic proportions. They are gonna start world war 3 with Iran. Iran is over 4,000 miles away from Washington D.C. and they are over there sticking a pole in a bee hive.

The USA is using the Iranian Nuclear lie to the American Public and the world again. This is the same kind of rhetoric I heard prior to the 2003 invasion of iraq. Nobody to my knowledge ever found Weapons of Mass destruction in Iraq.

"They only used the Albanians to get a foothold in the Balkans – it’s a strategic region both militarily and politically. "

in what way is Kosovo a 'strategic' point? Strategic for what? i love this word, it implies a level of importance about a territory that it most likely does not deserve or for that matter have. what country in the world can be deemed not to be strategic? do you seriously and honestly believe that all of this was simply the doing of the US and that things were great before their interference? and then we wonder why the Balkans are such a primitive place

There is too much rudeness from some posters.

Also, the complaints against the west seem to be made by people who have not yet taken the point that the Serbian people suffered under the politics of Milosevic because he managed to antagonise the world with his bad attitude.

At least he was a polite man, despite all his faults.

That cannot be said for a number of ill-mannered posters on this site.

Get rid of Russia and freeze to death.

And the Yanks wonder why they are the most hated nation in history.

So if Bulgars do not bow to the request of this absent-minded lady or to be more precise to that of the powerfull jewish lobby which uses hilly as a puppet we will soon see on CNN reports of heavily opressed turkish minority inside Bulgaria which will be folowed by CIA sponsored Turkish uprising.A well know recepie.

The headline is misleading if she did not actually say those words.

It is reasonable to seek supply of fuel from a range of sources, particularly when a single source is know to be less than reliable.

The comment in the postings about America being the most hated country in history is not true - it is only hated by sections of the world who are caught up in their own bigoted mind sets. Most people have quite an affection for the yanks.

Having lived under a flight path of American defence air-planes for a great chunk of my life, I would like to thank the US for its interventions against fascism - in WW1, WW2 and the cold war in particular, and in other cases where fascist attitudes were seen - such as in Bosnia where the war was fought disgustingly and dishonourably and after three terrible years needed to be stopped. I am not surprised that they saw fit to intervene against Milosevic in Kosovo either given what had come before. He could not be allowed to do it twice. Note however, - I do not agree with the udi and think that Kosovo should be ruled autonomously and democratically under 'the new' Serbia.

We know that the US is heavily into trade - but I don't see anything particularly wrong with that - I don't think that attitudes to US trade deserve to be turned into hatred. After all, China, Russia, Japan, UK, Germany, Korea, …… , all want good world trade.

Whatever the rights and wrongs (and I agree that there are many wrongs as well as topics open to debate); the US has taken on the role of world's policeman simply because no one else is big enough able enough to do it. The US does not act alone. NATO is a LARGE grouping of lots of countries who generally have like-mind when it comes to wanting to stop dictators when a certain point has been crossed. The UN could do better if it stuck to its principles and was not ruled by the arbitrary veto. Russia and China do not look good in supporting the continued suppression of Syrian citizens - I think it is clear that these two counties are acting as a cover for their own political questionability.

The general message that people should live freely and in peace is at the heart of the US thinking - the US is not motivated by hatred - unlike many of the bigoted countries, nationalists and extremists, who have hatred as an essential ingredient of their bigoted mind-sets and and essential part of the propaganda they have to maintain to justify and motivate their own un-constructive existences.

The Russians were known for invading territories and suppressing the peoples - viz the invasion of Finland by Stalin, the suppression of Eastern Europe until the peoples demolished the wall in Berlin. The yanks have made mistakes - no doubt - but quite often they do the job of the worlds policeman quite well.

I do think that the US has a responsibility to review and learn from its mistakes - just as does Serbia.

It is mainly those that get policed that have something to complain about.

Go on - vote against this! …. I wrote it to wind things up….

…. and tell you that there is another legitimate point of view that says 'thanks' to the yanks.

Bob the yank is spreading his rubbish again. Bob, the US is controlled by the military industrial complex who don't give a damn about democracy or freedom, they only care about profits. They buy congressmen and senators, and they promote war and nation building. The US is not what it used to be. It has become a country run by a group of corporate fascists, who don't let the truth get in the way of a good war, and great profits.
You talk about some mythical 'fascism' in Bosnia and fail to refer to real fascism in Croatia and KLA run Kosovo, which your country, the US of A, supported and armed. Just like you supported Pinnochet, and you support that wonderfull democracy Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, killing squads in central America, islamists in Lybia, mujaheddin in Afghanistan when you fought the Soviet Union, you even supported Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. This is why everyone hates the US. Because you have become total hypocrites and war criminals, at the mercy of the military industrial complex who pull your strings. Good thing you are bankrupt, and you can no longer spread your garbage.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-06-06-us-owes-62-trillion-in-debt_n.htm
Cheers!!

"U.S. Secretary of State Hilary Clinton will ask Bulgarian officials to end their country's energy dependency on Russia, according to reports."

I see, Madame Clinton, and I suppose you Yankees will be able to supply the Bulgarians with all the oil and gas that they need? And at cheaper rates too notwithstanding the physical distance between your Yankee Land and Bulgaria?

To Bob - so, Americans are mostly right, while Russians are always wrong...

Dear serbs,

I live in the USA and I must tell you that Hillary Clinton is losing touch with reality. America is a sinking ship. We now have Occupy wall street protests in many major cities with some nearing Anarchy. America will most definitely collapse on its current path. Social and economic problems are begging to drag this nation down the sewer.

The Bulgarians fought on our side only once in their history ! It happened way back in the 19 century when we set them free. In all other wars they fought on the opposite side. They entered every anti Russian treaty they managed to enter. In between they always said they were the best friends of ours ! So one does not have to bow them !
(rote, 6 February 2012 15:12)

There is a little coincidence: the times they were our enemies are usually marked with Bulgarian rulers having Germany family names. No kidding. Just google on "Saxe-Coburg" and "Battemberg".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bulgarian_monarchs

Than see, what family name comes up more than once after the 1990-s.

Do you think someone from Saxe-Coburg dynasty is a good friend of Serbs or Russians or maybe... just by a coincident... of Germans ;)

That largely excuses Bulgarians for me, no hard feelings. Germans were rarely friends of Serbs, Bulgarians or Russians... now if they happen to lead Bulgarians, than they did do it to a catastrophe.

Now let's see what happened after 1990...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_Bulgaria

The family name of PM like "Simeon Sakskoburggotskl" does sound interesting, doesn't it? I bet, a great friend of Russia and Serbia and has really nothing to do with the Saxe-Coburg dynasty ;)

Why not tell the Germans the same thing. They are the most dependent.

Sorry, I forgot to add the link. Read about the benevolent USA, with its pick and chose politics.

Russian policymakers have developed an allergy to Western leaders' moralizing. Just as it was pressing al-Assad to resign, the U.S. State Department quietly lifted a ban on military aid to the Karimov dictatorship in Uzbekistan, which had butchered its own protesters a few years earlier. (Uzbekistan is important for supply lines to NATO troops in Afghanistan.) Neither did Washington press the king of Bahrain -- where the U.S. Navy has a port -- to step down after he crushed popular demonstrations in his capital.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/02/02/opinion/treisman-russia-syria/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

So if Bulgars do not bow to the request of this absent-minded lady or to be more precise to that of the powerfull jewish lobby which uses hilly as a puppet we will soon see on CNN reports of heavily opressed turkish minority inside Bulgaria which will be folowed by CIA sponsored Turkish uprising.A well know recepie.
(szemi, 6 February 2012 10:30

Bulgars will bow to Clinton's demands as they bowed to her demands for the cancellation of Russia-Burgas-Alexandroupolis pipeline which was designed to transfer Russian oil through the Bulgarian port of Burgas to Greece.The Russians even proposed to finance the whole project.Bulgaria raised enviromental concerns for the project whereas in fact, under strong pressure from US and EU,decided to sign for the Nabucco pipe dream project.More than 10 years have elapsed since Nabucco started and the project has been hit by financial and political problems.The initial cost of the project was $7-9 billion,last year it became $12-15 billion and the sources of financing it haven't been decided yet.In addition to the financial problems Turkey is demanding 15% discount on the price of its own supplies which makes the project unprofitable.

As far as Hillary is concerned there is not a lot to say because her views are those of the US military complex that rules the country.The killing and torture, rape and gassing goes on apace every day in Bahrain, where the United States has nothing to say about "democracy." In fact, just two weeks ago it's in the news that the US was moving its embassy further away from where the "disturbances" were occurring. This is more than merely symbolic; it shows, if showing is still needed, what kind of freedom-loving outfit Hillary Clinton represented.

Balance of terror. Russia tries everything to thwart Nabucco. That is why the US go to Plan B, severing South Stream in the middle and bringing it down completely. There is anyway no (economic) need for Southstream. It is just an attempt to counter the dwindling and almost completely gone influence in the Balkans.

So very easy. (If/When) Russia kills Nabucco then in exchange for that the US kill Southstream. In the end, Russia and Serbia lose. Greece already lost as somebody already noticed here.

I think it's better do import oil and gas from Russia than from Iran and Iraq and similar unreliable countries.

Lets not forget the U.S. fiasco in Iraq. Abruptly pulling out after 8 years of occupation. Over 5,000 U.S. soldiers dead. Costing America trillions of dollars. Leaving the country on the verge of civil war.

Did America really think they could turn Iraq into a full fledged democracy in the heart of the middle east? Or was this just part of there sick geo-political divide and conquer strategy?

So if Bulgars do not bow to the request of this absent-minded lady or to be more precise to that of the powerfull jewish lobby which uses hilly as a puppet we will soon see on CNN reports of heavily opressed turkish minority inside Bulgaria which will be folowed by CIA sponsored Turkish uprising.A well know recepie.
(szemi, 6 February 2012 10:30)

This is the old Nabucco - South Stream controversy. Nabucco is as good as dead... but wait, what is Nabucco? It's about to import energy from "stabile" countries like some "stans" with very-very democratic rulers, Azerbaijan is probably the best of them but even it is hopelessly communist. So in other words... it's about support of some medieval (Middle East) and commie regimes in the hope, they can be rallied against Russia somehow.

To bad... there is not clear at this point, what and from where Nabucco will transfer. Now comes the most bizarre fact. Indeed, Soros Gyuri bá and quite some others do favor it and indeed the lobby you did mention has something to do with it. But by supporting the conservative Arab countries like Saudi Arabia or some commie post-Soviet "Stans" (ever wonder why Turkmenbashi wasn't bashed way to much in America during his life?) they are essentially traitors of Eretz Israel. So wow, the true name of the Ephraim Zidrakowitz from Dohány utca is not Ephraim Zidrakowitz but Vuk Brankovic in worst sense of it. It starts with cheating the buyer by that little 500 Forint, ends by betraying his own kin. And by the way: how he knows that with 500 Ft he did not betray own kin already? Once in Brooklyn some other Zidrakowitz did try to cheat me out of ca. $200. He was caught and after winning the case I told him, he should be ashamed twice: for the deed alone and that he did cheat on own people. What he told me: "I don't care".

As I said, the Jews tend to be the best and the worst of a country. The country with the name "USA" had not a single war where they did not commit some of the ugliest of war crimes - be it in Dresden, Hirosima, Korea, VietNam, Yugoslavia. Obvioulsly, if you are a little villain Zidrakowitz from the Dohány Street - there is a lot to learn from (pure, WASP, goy) American political elite so you can become a bigger villain from the Wall Street. ;)

Even during the cold war era, Russia (USSR) was providing reliable energy supplies to western Europe. Nothing has really changed, if they pay they get. Since the western puppets have been removed from Ukraine, supplies have become very reliable (in fact uninterrupted).

Sounds to me like Clinton is in a bit of a panic. I hope the Bulgarians can see that. Be loyal to the US and freeze or look after your own interests for a change.

The megalomaniacal Klintonka is pissed about Russia and Chia's UNSC vote on Syria. Seems like whoever goes against the wishes of this old political hack, must be punished. Take a look at a recent article from CNN, and get an idea of the hypocrisy of the US State Dept. What gives this evil empire the right to take the high horse, when they are no better or worse than others. Every nation just looks out for their own self-interests. USA is no different - maybe worse? BTW, I am not for Assad, but I am for the will of the people, and not the will of the USA.

Hillary is just upset and having a hissy fit because she is beginning to realize that the US is bankrupt and are not a superpower any more. The slap in the face from Russia and China over Syria is a prime example. She has no money to bribe the Bulgarians any more. In fact, she would have to borrow money from Russia and China, and then bribe the Bulgarians with it to try to get her way...lol.
Cheers!!

(andrei, 6 February 2012 15:40)

To add something to your comment.According to the FBI more than 16million weapons were sold in 2011.Frightening.

Szemi & Leonidas : “Bulgars will bow to Clinton's demands …”

Everything is even much simpler than you both can imagine ! The Bulgarians fought on our side only once in their history ! It happened way back in the 19 century when we set them free. In all other wars they fought on the opposite side. They entered every anti Russian treaty they managed to enter. In between they always said they were the best friends of ours ! So one does not have to bow them ! They are happy to bow in front of any enemy of Russia. The problem is that they will soon pay us the new price for both natural gas and oil.

All due to the Clintons and the politics they conduct in the Middle East. . A week ago Gazprom has refused EU to increase the supplies. Just because it had no reserves for EU. While the EU production in Norway in Netherland and in the North Sea is falling year by year. And now this old lady calls for stopping the consumption of the Russian energy while the Bulgarians are traitors but not idiots. With the Black Sea frozen and the threat of the big war in the Gulf only idiots will refuse from the only energy source available. Even if they have a historical need to bite Russia to it’s back side.

The comment in the postings about America being the most hated country in history is not true - it is only hated by sections of the world who are caught up in their own bigoted mind sets. Most people have quite an affection for the yanks.
(Bob, 6 February 2012 14:43)
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Bob, I think you should a search on the internet and you'll see the US is somewhere at the top of the most hated countries in the world. In my experience, the only people who like the US are children and Albanians. The rest are either indifferent or hate the US.

The Children of Krum, Symeon, and Kalojan now being given orders by the wife of Bubba. How the mighty have fallen.

Let’s not get too heated up over this issue as it’s only the US posturing. Nothing will delay the South stream pipeline, nothing at all.

It’s very easy for the Russians to divert the pipeline through the Danube and it can come out in Serbia – you have to remember that the middle part is international waters. Then what would happen to the Bulgarians you ask – how does freezing over sound.

Then the Russians can encourage the opposition to win the next elections, democratically of course just like the US does. Then there is stopping all NATO transport shipments to Afghanistan through Russia or Russian influenced territories. Now if the Bulgarians do not listen to the US and Clinton thinks they will start with Turkish minorities being oppressed the Russians can throw a few arms to the Kurds in Turkey and a few other minorities that have a score to settle with the Turks.

Once aging the United States of Piss and Wind is giving us the spray of pretending its top dog when it’s now just a little puppy.




(Bob, 6 February 2012 21:13)

Oh please you really are a very naïve man. Stamped what out mate? Nationalism is just under the surface.

The only reason NATO and US intervene is to control not to save anyone. If they did what you believe then why does it not intervene in Saudi Arabia?

Grow up Bob your answers are that of a petulant teenager who watches too much TV.

sj

You are rude - grow up yourself. I am not your 'mate' so don't be so pathetic in your choice of address.

I don't think the Saudis are going around arbitarily killing lots of people - so I don't see your point. Your example is just another ill-chosen bit of ill logic.

The US is effectively a police force that stamped down on Serbia because of the terrible policies pursued by Milosevic.

The nationalists have had it from now on because the policeman is watching. I don't think that bit of reality is at all naive - or unjustified.

It doesn't matter if it is under the surface or on prominent display - nationalism will not be rewarded. All that is left for nationalists is to complain on B92! If nationalists get elected they will fail - they are powerless and know it. They will just make noise and then fizzle in the face of reality.

I am not sure that nationalism has any effective meaning in Serbia anymore. It is a source of complaint but not of action.

Most people are more interested in making a living.

Good thing too.

Clinton is not wrong. Bulgarians should remember what happened to them during communist rule under Soviet/Russian influence.

Wrong!! I don't have to tell you who I am or where I originate from, but one clue is that I have never been to the US.

The US and NATO stamped on Serbian nationalism because of the violence that it utilised and the obvious sneering disregard for the lives of others displayed by the likes of Mladic and Karadic.

The US and NATO will intervene further if nationalism ever gets to any place where it can make trouble again.

The US was wrong on lots that it did in the Balkans - I will go as far as to say most of what it did in the Balkans. But the fact that it did it at all was to counter a bigger wrong.

And that made it right.

So do complain about the US. It won't make any difference. They are there to police you and will continue to do so.

By the way - I am pro-Serbia but very anti Serbian nationalism. We don't need the hatred and the consequent violence in Serbia. People want peace and jobs, not war and criminality.

In my view Milosevic was a traitor to Serbia - as are all the other nationalists who by their violence invited international intervention. Kosovo does belong to Serbia, but nasty nationalism lost it and will never win it back. The only route forward that might have any chance of changing things is to make friends with the US etc., and be nice to them. Maybe then a diplomatic solution will be forthcoming.

If not, I think we will just have to live as losers and live with what we've got.

…. please feel free to vote against this posting ….. although it won't change anything ….

...did she say this, or is it speculation?

I don't think the Saudis are going around arbitarily killing lots of people - so I don't see your point. Your example is just another ill-chosen bit of ill logic.

(Bob, 7 February 2012 03:58)

Yeah, except for this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNNTcHq5Tzk
Almost all the terrorists who planned and executed 9/11 were Saudis. What a wonderfull democracy and beacon of human rights that country is, eh Bob?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=941_1241449872
A great US ally. The US of A supports disgusting regimes, war criminals, and dictators all the time, as long as they are obedient to their wishes. Heck, they even replace democraticaly elected governments with dictators when it suits them. In ex-Yugoslavia alone, the US sponsored and helped with the Operation Storm genocide, helped the KLA organ snatching terrorists ethnicaly cleanse almost all Serbs from Kosovo, and helped bring islamo-fascist soldiers from the middle east into Bosnia. You're a silly, deluded, and lost man Bob. But hey, I guess the US of A relies on gullible simpletons like you to support them at every turn.
Cheers!!

The US is effectively a police force that stamped down on Serbia because of the terrible policies pursued by Milosevic.
(Bob, 7 February 2012 03:58)
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Police normally enforce the law Bob, not break it. Without a UNSCR authorising the bombing of Serbia, the US and NATO acted illegally. Also, prior to the intervention, the OSCE observer mission in KiM reported that the vast majority of provocations and ceasefire violations were done by the Albanians, which the OSCE reported as terrorist activities. Even your beloved US of A considered the KLA terrorists. However, most of that news was quickly buried so the illegal bombing could commence.

The world policemen, as you describe, are the most destructive force we have seen. They are raping country after country, destroying them and then using their assets (mainly oil) to enrich themselves.

Nationalism engulfed the whole of the former YU, it is just that your policemen supporter nationalists that were in favour and punished those that were not. When you get your head out of the sand Bob, you'll realise that your policemen are vicious bullies.

(Bob, 7 February 2012 03:58

The corporate fascists that rule the US have appointed themselves as the world's policemen to the detriment of the rest of the world.You only have to look at the democracy they left in Iraq where hundreds of people are blown up on a daily basis in sectarian killings.It suffices to say that the whole country has been sent back to the stone age.

Look at Libya where black Libyans are being imprisoned because of the 'freedom and democracy' the US and its allies brought to Libya.The country is totally broken, fragmented, insecure, unstable, sovereign-less, beggarly mess controlled by indisciplined, brutal men with guns and under no control and with no direction.

On the bright side posters on this site are fortunate indeed to have anonymous trolls like yourself telling them how the world should be run.

"They only used the Albanians to get a foothold in the Balkans – it’s a strategic region both militarily and politically. "

in what way is Kosovo a 'strategic' point? Strategic for what? i love this word, it implies a level of importance about a territory that it most likely does not deserve or for that matter have. what country in the world can be deemed not to be strategic? do you seriously and honestly believe that all of this was simply the doing of the US and that things were great before their interference? and then we wonder why the Balkans are such a primitive place

Bob, 7 February 2012 03:58)

“ I don't think the Saudis are going around arbitarily killing lots of people - so I don't see your point. Your example is just another ill-chosen bit of ill logic.”

Your ignorance is majestic to say the least; the Saudis kill anyone who lifts a finger against their regime; they only recently sent in tanks and armored personnel carriers into Bahrain to put down the “Arab Spring” in that country with the full blessing of the US. Can you guess how they did that? They killed hundreds. Is Saudi Arabia then a bad example?

“ The US is effectively a police force that stamped down on Serbia because of the terrible policies pursued by Milosevic. “

Please don’t talk rubbish. If the US is a police force then why did they not go into Rwanda where real genocide did take place??? They only used the Albanians to get a foothold in the Balkans – it’s a strategic region both militarily and politically.
The west killed 10 000 with their bombs and did not care in 1998 in Kosovo. It’s called self interest, nothing more and nothing less. Then they blamed Milosevic for those deaths; wow how original.

“The nationalists have had it from now on because the policeman is watching. I don't think that bit of reality is at all naive - or unjustified. “

How old are you? 10 going on 11 maybe?

“It doesn't matter if it is under the surface or on prominent display - nationalism will not be rewarded. All that is left for nationalists is to complain on B92! If nationalists get elected they will fail - they are powerless and know it. They will just make noise and then fizzle in the face of reality. “

What do you think the US does in schools every day? Raises the flag and kids sing the national anthem; why do you see Americans willing to go to war for their country? It’s called nationalism.
You do recall those marines urinating on dead Taliban bodies???? That is what happens during wars.

There is too much rudeness from some posters.

Also, the complaints against the west seem to be made by people who have not yet taken the point that the Serbian people suffered under the politics of Milosevic because he managed to antagonise the world with his bad attitude.

At least he was a polite man, despite all his faults.

That cannot be said for a number of ill-mannered posters on this site.

The arrogance and Tyranny of the USA is now reaching epic proportions. They are gonna start world war 3 with Iran. Iran is over 4,000 miles away from Washington D.C. and they are over there sticking a pole in a bee hive.

The USA is using the Iranian Nuclear lie to the American Public and the world again. This is the same kind of rhetoric I heard prior to the 2003 invasion of iraq. Nobody to my knowledge ever found Weapons of Mass destruction in Iraq.

Go away Hillary.. I wish for EU/American influence to remove it's tentacles from Bulgaria.. How about you worry about the Kurds in Turkey and northern Iraq, the Lybians, the Palestinians, just to name a few, they are people who are truly oppressed and are in need of support.. I don't see any Bulgarians suffering from big bad Vladimir Putin.. Where's Bill these days?