"What???? "If Serbs want new territories in the balkans"???? Who started nationalist motivied, bloody, terrorist war for new territories in Kosovo in 90' - Serbs or Albanians??..."....
So - Serbia only defend this territorry against aggresive, nationalistic albanian minority, who don't wan't to live in one multiethnic state - but want to steal serbian land for create cleaned, nationalistic pseudostate."
(Niklot, Poland, 5 February 2012 17:23
You have no idea what are you talking about.
It was Serbia who started everything in Kosovo.
They kicked out Albanians from thhe institutions, from schools, from their working places and than kicking out Albanians from Kosovo. In the train, in the buss and direction Macedonia and/or Albania with hope they will further move to anywhere else and they will never ever be back.
I live in Kosovo and I was here during this time (1970 - 1999). And I am here still and this is where I will always be...
If you comment, than try to understand more about the issues where you are commenting.
During Ottoman york Russia (and some other European countries) tried to liberate Serbia from Ottomans, but their attempts sometimes failed. After such failures Serbian population had to flee Kosovo (or were driven) to avoid repressions. Ottomans settled Albanians there to change ethnic balance of the area, that was the way Kosovo became mostly Albanian. Then in 1912 Russia (and other countries) had opportunity to give Kosovo back to Serbia.
(aaayyy, 6 February 2012 17:06)
During the rule of Heraclius Serbs were invited by the emperor of Rome as a fighting force against Avars. Then the emperor offered them the lands around Rasca, where Serbia is today. Then these hordes gradually occupied all the lands around them, including Dardania which was already populated by Dardanians and named this place Kosovo.
Then the people living in Kosova had the opportunity in 2008 to finally declare their independence and give Kosova back to their own people.
Yes Kosova is half of Albania that you win during WWI with the support of Russia and others powers at that time.
(dori)
During Ottoman york Russia (and some other European countries) tried to liberate Serbia from Ottomans, but their attempts sometimes failed. After such failures Serbian population had to flee Kosovo (or were driven) to avoid repressions. Ottomans settled Albanians there to change ethnic balance of the area, that was the way Kosovo became mostly Albanian. Then in 1912 Russia (and other countries) had opportunity to give Kosovo back to Serbia.
"As far as I understand EU got tied by unemployed KAlbs and wants Serbia to open its borders to employ them."
which newspaper did you read this on, the fictional gazette? p.s. special status for southern enclave? what would that be? how about we put it on their birth certificates that they are special? does that do the trick do you think?
If your attitude has changed so much and you all so highly value peace and freedom why is it that you attempt to snatch land from the Serbians and continue to create problems for us? What did you expect Serbia to do when you tried to declare part of its territory independent? What's wrong with Albania? Why don't we make a fair trade and we'll take half of Albania as compensation?
(Goran., 6 February 2012 13:19)
Goran you not only have to change your attitude, but you also have to try to be in contact with real facts. Yes Kosova is half of Albania that you win during WWI with the support of Russia and others powers at that time. After one century of Apartheid and after the ethnic cleansing attempt of Milosevic, the ancient peoples of Kosova ethnic Albanians with the help of the Great Powers win the Independence in 2008. You don’t ask them when you occupy Kosova during WWI and they don’t ask you when they declare the Independence in 2008. So we are fair at this point I think. Can we now start a new story of peace between us at this point? If you don’t want go on, we don’t have any problem with every option you choose. We survive the hell that you build for us during 20th century and get out strongest.
"If your attitude has changed so much and you all so highly value peace and freedom why is it that you attempt to snatch land from the Serbians and continue to create problems for us? What did you expect Serbia to do when you tried to declare part of its territory independent? What's wrong with Albania? Why don't we make a fair trade and we'll take half of Albania as compensation?"
why...does half of Albania want to be a part of Serbia? The problem with you was that you never saw ands still don't see, your own Albanian citizens as, ohh i don't know, equals? look at yourself first. and Niall, why does Prishtina have to sign anything like a promise never to join with Albania? why the hell do you care who they choose to join with?
"Kosovo should then be Daytonised al la B-H giving the Serbs and Gorani maximum autonomy in return for Belgrade giving the nod for recognition. Belgrade becomes the guarantors for Serbs, Gorani and Roma "
oh yeah sure...let Serbia in and keep Kosova out. forget it. swap with Presheva, that's it.
So for you the Albanians are a subject to be oppressed? What I can say, Albanian tries for one century to get the attitude of oppressed people, but as we see they were not able for that. The Albanian loves the freedom and not only the freedom for themselves but for all the peoples. The century of dictatorship 20th is gone. We are living in the century of freedom. Albanians prefer to much the freedom and fair competition. We are using this situation for prospering too fast. I see that you Serbs are a little confused, cause your attitude from the 20th century is to prosper oppressing, using and ruling the others and not as for fair competition. Change your attitude, because time has changed.
(dori tirana, 6 February 2012 09:10)
If your attitude has changed so much and you all so highly value peace and freedom why is it that you attempt to snatch land from the Serbians and continue to create problems for us? What did you expect Serbia to do when you tried to declare part of its territory independent? What's wrong with Albania? Why don't we make a fair trade and we'll take half of Albania as compensation?
If the partition happens (Leposavic, Zubin Potok goes to Serbia and Preseva Valley to Kosova), then there wont be an Ahtistari Plan anymore. Nobody can stop us annexing with Albania. And by no matter if this partition happens, one day, we will merge with Albania.
That would be the peace.
(AnotherGUY, 5 February 2012 19:43)
Preshevo Valley and the Sandzak should be off the table in any discussion about any deal regarding the final status of Kosovo as they are not part of Kosovo. Both Albanians and Serbs will have to lick their wounds after a compromise agreeable by all. The current situation where Albanians take all is simply not feasible in the medium to long term as it remains a potential flashpoint for future unrest.
The North is gone from Pristina grasp while south of the Ibar is gone from Belgrade's hold. Both sides can come to an agreement regarding the holy sites and the enclaves. Kosovo should then be Daytonised al la B-H giving the Serbs and Gorani maximum autonomy in return for Belgrade giving the nod for recognition. Belgrade becomes the guarantors for Serbs, Gorani and Roma in the south with their political clout in tact with Tirana brought in for the Albanians. Finally, an agreement from Pristina that a political union with Albania is off the cards permenantly.
I think all parties can start to move on from there.
Under no circumstances should Serbia divide Kosovo- it is completely Serbian according to UN1244 and it will be completely Serb populated the day after Americans leave Balcans which will happen sooner or later!
This argument North of Kosovo for Presevo is laughable,Presevo Albanians are massively moving out ,in Bujanovac they are declining,all the youth is practically gone!
In Kosovo ,the newest census showed that Albanians fell from 1,9 million in 1991 to a whopping 1,5 million in 2010,even with falsifying it the census showed that Albanians are desperate and starving,leaving Kosovo for the West!
The economic situation in Kosovo is catastrophical,GDP is 1500 $ per capita,just like in 2000,in Serbia GDP per capita went from 1500 in 1999 to 11000 $ per capita,with FIAT starting to produce we will see a revival of the automotive industry and a drop in unemployment!
Albanians like to bragg about the Western support they have,but where are Western companies to invest and employ their people so they dont leave?
Nowhere,because those businesses know that there is no future in asuch an isolated,unrecognized hole...
The fact is that Serbia will over time get stronger and stronger while the Albanians are getting weaker and weaker,our allies are strenghthening while theirs will be leaving Kosovo soon!
How long can you keep pushing separatist ideas? Why then doesn't the same happen with the Muslim population around Europe? Or even the South Americans living in America? They are both heavily oppressed by those countries.
(Goran., 6 February 2012 00:17)
So for you the Albanians are a subject to be oppressed? What I can say, Albanian tries for one century to get the attitude of oppressed people, but as we see they were not able for that. The Albanian loves the freedom and not only the freedom for themselves but for all the peoples. The century of dictatorship 20th is gone. We are living in the century of freedom. Albanians prefer to much the freedom and fair competition. We are using this situation for prospering too fast. I see that you Serbs are a little confused, cause your attitude from the 20th century is to prosper oppressing, using and ruling the others and not as for fair competition. Change your attitude, because time has changed.
Bosnia and Hercegovina, Macedonia and Montenegro are artificial countries. If we wnt the resolution of national question nd peace in the Balcand than this thre countries should be devided between Croatia, Serbia, Albania and Bulgaria. In a free referendum of the population of this countries that would the vresult and the creation of national-states will come to the and in the Balkans.
A very reasonable solution, to include talking about the Serb Republic. The way most of the Balkans was redrawn had more to do with creating economic viability more than hurting or helping one person against another. The EU and US are great believers in multiculturalism and it was decided that enforced minority populations could be easily made to live together in harmony, not because it happens very often, but out of dogma. Since the Multicult isn't succeeding in the EU or the US it was always a bit mad, but never discount philosophical leanings of any group when making bad decisions. Nationalists, minorities, and EU bureaucrats are not immune from letting their own beliefs cause them to discount reality. It will never be perfect, but it certainly could have been done much more reasonably than it was. Let the EU support Bosnia and various Albanian entities and let Serbs as they would choose.
Danilo, the Albanian birth rate factor will not be a problem for EU assimilation. The EU will impose a 1 or 2 child birthrate limit on the Albanians, which they will have to adhere to in order to join the EU. You know that that rule will come. Does any Albanian think that the EU will want an over-production of non-EU specific offspring overtaking their own, into the EU club? Think again, Albanians, before you give your souls away again, like you did during the Ottoman rule, the League of Prizren, WWII nazis, and lately the CIA and NATO. Have some manly balls this time, be brave, and reject others (world powers) to solve your lives. With that, maybe one day the world will respect Albanians, and not see them as, historic willing accomplices.
(PapaJohn, 5 February 2012 22:14)
PapaJohn I can see you are so well read, as you know in EU they have issue with population most countries do not have enough to keep growth so birth is never a issue. The way you think is more like you brothers in the East not European behavior.
Serbia has huge population issue we all know this most your villages in south are empty do Serbs in that region already getting Albanian wife's which means ( Albanian Mother only makes Children who will have same blood as the people you hate so much. A Montenegrin king once said Montenegrin woman can marry who ever they like but men only Montenegrin women as they will always teach love for Montenegro put this in your side of the fence :)
In 30 years your PM might just have his uncle from Albania and might just make you loose your mind but also mend the bridge between two nations and learn not to try eleminat each other but learn to look in similarities.
Don't like the country your living in? MOVE!!! So sick to death of hearing about this trading notion. Why should we give up territory? Why because the Albanians don't wish to live under our rule? It's not their land to do as they wish, they live in Serbia, and no UDI can change that.
I am all for peace and happiness, but how do you expect us to stay peaceful when all the Albanians want to do is divide? They don't have to live under Serbian rule, they can take their stuff and move to Albania. How long can you keep pushing separatist ideas? Why then doesn't the same happen with the Muslim population around Europe? Or even the South Americans living in America? They are both heavily oppressed by those countries.
There is one argument I would like to quickly nip in the bud. The argument is:
1. Both Albanians and Serbs don't want to live with each other
2. So they must live separately
This is FALSE.
Serbs live under "Albanian" rule, the majority of Kosovan minority live peaceful in Kosovo. The same argument can be applied to the Albanians living in "Southern" Serbia who live peacefully under "Serbian" rule.
Maybe the argument should be altered to ETHNICITY X would PREFER not live under ETHNICITY Y's rule instead of making wishful claims.
hey PERRY YOU THINK SERBS LIVING BETER THAN ALBANIANS I DONT THINK SO SERBIA GOING DOWN TO THE HELL.... vorry about serbia and not to vorry about albania albania and kosovo is one country........
Danilo, the Albanian birth rate factor will not be a problem for EU assimilation. The EU will impose a 1 or 2 child birthrate limit on the Albanians, which they will have to adhere to in order to join the EU. You know that that rule will come. Does any Albanian think that the EU will want an over-production of non-EU specific offspring overtaking their own, into the EU club? Think again, Albanians, before you give your souls away again, like you did during the Ottoman rule, the League of Prizren, WWII nazis, and lately the CIA and NATO. Have some manly balls this time, be brave, and reject others (world powers) to solve your lives. With that, maybe one day the world will respect Albanians, and not see them as, historic willing accomplices.
"All albanians leave Serbia, in exchange that every serb leaves Kosova!!"
Great idea! "Kosova" does not exist and so all Serbs can and will stay in Kosovo and Serbia, including Kosovo (of course), will be a better place without any Albanian. The Albanians in Serbia can move back to Albania or Macedonia.
"Go ask every Albanian in Kosova where they live and who they answer to, the Independent Republic of Kosova. THATS all that matters. "
(USA United States of Albania, 5 February 2012 17:06)
That's all that matters - which perfectly describes the problem of Kosovo Albanians. Instead of trying to stand on their own feed and care for some economic progress and finally adapt to European standards, they prefer to live on donor money/money from drug mafia clans and waste money for buying more recognitions, while the people are living in poverty hardly to be found anywhere in Europe.
and what about sandjak who is half albanian?
(lili, 5 February 2012 17:29)
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Even if it was half Albanian, what about it? Do you think that your ability to over populate a region gives you the right to claim it as part of Albania?
If Serbia doesn't give away Presovo in this kind of deal, then they're just going to have another Kosovo in 50 years, due to higher birthrates amongst Albanians and declining Serbian population in Southern Serbia.
(Danilo, 5 February 2012 15:04)
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So all you have to do is breed uncontrollably and you can take part of a host country one day. You actually condone this?
This should be a warning to ANY European country not to allow Albanians in.
If the partition happens (Leposavic, Zubin Potok goes to Serbia and Preseva Valley to Kosova), then there wont be an Ahtistari Plan anymore. Nobody can stop us annexing with Albania. And by no matter if this partition happens, one day, we will merge with Albania.
Germans need to be given the finger and their ambassador kicked out of Serbia. (Dragan, 5 February 2012 16:15) Dragan, Germans like the finger, and will not mind that at all. Serbs, Albanians, and Bosnians need to solve their own differences, and not cater to these external occupiers. As long as the EU is strong, they will be demanding of nations in Europe, members or not. But the EU is weakening, badly, and soon will be impotent. Interesting days are ahead for Europe.
My comment on this matter is easy.....Germany GO TO HELL. And my comment to the Albanians who do not wish to live in Serbia is PLEASE LEAVE Albania is calling you home. No more compromise to the EU the USA and Thaci and his criminals. One more comment, Tadic, you are the most stupid of leaders still wishing to join the EU TITANIC. Kosovo is and always will be Serbia and to compromise Kosovo to join it is sheer lunacy.
If you want to do something. Do a people exchange. Like polonia and germany after WW2
All albanians leave Serbia, in exchange that every serb leaves Kosova!!
That is not the best solution. But its better than territorialexchange!!
Yeah ! Look at the Serbs how they jump to get somthing that does not belong to them for free!!! Does days are over where you were the first to pick where do you want the border.Berlin is no longer with you.Not that you wont get an inch from Dardania (Kosova) but you wont be able to keep Sanxhak and Presheva Valley and of course Vojvodina.Just look past 20 years.From the top of the list with the best economy in the region with one of the worst 20 years later.And do you know why ? Because the other nations of former Yugo do not work for you no more.Like it or not thats the truth and sometimes the truth hurts and in this case you Serbs.
Nothing is ever too late, Berk. What is wrong with a partition solution?
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Don't you want peace?
(PapaJohn, 5 February 2012 12:26)
That simply comes to late. Kosovo declared independence on the basis of the A-Plan which gives Serbs tremendously high proportion of power compared to the size of the population. Without the North, it would make no sense to perpetuate that, along with other compromises Prishtina was willing to accept. Furthermore, what would be this solution worth if it would lead in 3 other states to more tensions? And especially why. For 40 000 dissatisfied Serbs? Never ever..
Besim - I agree with you. Serbia isn't getting the north back....they aren't getting ANYTHING back. All of the natural resources are in the north. Kosova isn't giving that up for ANYTHING. If Serbia wants the north they better be ready to pay lots and lots of money to buy it. Not only that, but they better be ready to pay royalties on the mines and natural resources to the government of Kosova when they buy back the north. How much will Serbia pay for Kosova? How much is it worth to you? This talk about Presevo is non-sense too. Does anyone here realistically believe that Serbia would ever trade the north for Presevo? I don't, so why even mention it as an option? The Albanians are smart with their negotiations. The Albanians have nothing to lose by standing firm on their positions, but Serbia has EVERYTHING to lose by standing firm on their positions. Serbia stands to lose international and European support for much of everything that they may want like the EU, loans, military alliances, trade etc. This issue is irritating to the Albanians, but they have what they want. They have internationally guaranteed borders provided for by NATO/EU and USA and slowly building their military. Go ask every Albanian in Kosova where they live and who they answer to, the Independent Republic of Kosova. THATS all that matters. The Kosovar Albanians can only gain more as time goes on. The Serbs on the other hand are losing everyday that this drags out. Serbia wants that EU membership but they will NEVER get it until they accept Kosova independence. The entire Balkans is moving forward and Serbia is stuck being a pariah state. Kosova isn't perfect by any means, but they have full EU/USA support. Thats worth its weight in gold! The fact that Kosova has the support of the very institution(EU) that Serbia is begging to be a part of says something. Doesn't it? Serbia is willing to give up the north for EU membership. Kosova has EU support.
Don't give ANYTHING up Kosova! We will see who will wear who down first. Serbia since 1999 has only given up something EVERY year that passes. You really think these "talks" between Borko and Edita are meant to give something to Serbia or to Kosova? Kosovar's haven't given up NOTHING, but they keep getting stuff in the "talks"!
The Serbian - Albanian conflict for the Kosovo region ended in 1999 and let that be the end of it. The Serbs in Kosovo are part of the territory of Kosovo and therefore part of the new nation of Kosovo created as a result of the blody wars of ex Yugoslavia. The Serbs are doing anything they can to take some territory from Kosovo as to show to the regional and the whole world that in the end they didn't loose it all. That is why they have concentrated in that part of the region of Kosovo. What Serbs have done in Kosovo is exactly what they have done in Bosnia, first go in and kill its people take their posetions and land then offer to go to the negotition table and divide their land. This will not be allowed to happen in Kosovo. If Serbs want new territories in the balkans well that episode has ended. The offer has been made by the Russians as they have stated that they will offer depopulated territories in Siberia to all willing Serbs that don't want to live in Kosovo.
(Besim, 5 February 2012 15:27)
What???? "If Serbs want new territories in the balkans"???? Who started nationalist motivied, bloody, terrorist war for new territories in Kosovo in 90' - Serbs or Albanians?? Who want to create single-nation (cleaned from other nations) albanian state on the territory of Republic of Serbia - Serbs or Albanians?? Who start nationalist motivied war in Macedonia and Presevo Valley??
If You don' see - Serbia is only real multiethnic state on the Balkans (Bosnia is divided on two nationalistic single-nation parts). And not Serbs, but Albanians want to create single-nation, nationalist motivied state in Kosovo.
So - Serbia only defend this territorry against aggresive, nationalistic albanian minority, who don't wan't to live in one multiethnic state - but want to steal serbian land for create cleaned, nationalistic pseudostate.
Boris Tadic himself said there will be no partition of Kosovo because time for that has past. So, who cares what politicians from other countries say. This is like me saying China should be partitioned.
What about partition of Bosnia? Yes, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, these Eurocrats need to be told. It is all connected, no more anti-Serb double standards. Anyone who wants to have a serious discussion on partition of Kosovo, needs to include the partition of Bosnia, and the partition of Montenegro - it's a package deal. Of course, they don't want to, because Germany is dead set on making Serbia smaller, not bigger - this is the crux of the problem. Germans need to be given the finger and their ambassador kicked out of Serbia.
"The offer has been made by the Russians as they have stated that they will offer depopulated territories in Siberia to all willing Serbs that don't want to live in Kosovo."
(Besim, 5 February 2012 15:27)
I think it would be better that some African deserts are offered to Kosovo Albanians - the African clan mentality suits them better than European democratic standards, and Paccoli doesn't have to travel that much to buy more recognitions.
It would be very foolish if Serbia agreed to a partition and didn't give away Presovo.
If Serbia doesn't give away Presovo in this kind of deal, then they're just going to have another Kosovo in 50 years, due to higher birthrates amongst Albanians and declining Serbian population in Southern Serbia.
The Serbian - Albanian conflict for the Kosovo region ended in 1999 and let that be the end of it. The Serbs in Kosovo are part of the territory of Kosovo and therefore part of the new nation of Kosovo created as a result of the blody wars of ex Yugoslavia. The Serbs are doing anything they can to take some territory from Kosovo as to show to the regional and the whole world that in the end they didn't loose it all. That is why they have concentrated in that part of the region of Kosovo. What Serbs have done in Kosovo is exactly what they have done in Bosnia, first go in and kill its people take their posetions and land then offer to go to the negotition table and divide their land. This will not be allowed to happen in Kosovo. If Serbs want new territories in the balkans well that episode has ended. The offer has been made by the Russians as they have stated that they will offer depopulated territories in Siberia to all willing Serbs that don't want to live in Kosovo.
If I was in the Serbian government, I would jump at the chance to exchange Presevo for N. KiM. In the Presevo Valley, you have nothing but poverty stricken Albanians that are not loyal to the state of Serbia - so good riddance. Let Pristina pick up the cost for supporting their brothers. Lets redraw the borders, tell the Westerners to go f-off, and put a plug in this Kosovo conflict that has gone on for way too long, and at too great a price.
(LudiMuja, 5 February 2012 12:33)
The most reasonable comment that I have read today.
If we look at History, then we will say that all the People of the former Yugoslavia have been losers, except for the Slovenes, because after Tito, there should have been a Negotiated Settlement on the matter of Borders.
It appears that most of the People of the former Yugoslavia will continue to be losers if they do not Negotiate Border Changes; however, UNSCR 1244 speaks only of the need to Negotiate a Final Status for Kosovo.
The only People that have been Winners are the Slovenes, and that is what could be the case with the other Peoples of the former Yugoslavia if they Mutually Agreed to Change their Borders.
It is easy to be Wise in Hindsight, and even Einstein has said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and hoping for a different result.
They say that if you want to be successful, then copy successful People, and the Slovenes are the most successful People from the former Yugoslavia.
Slovenia has shown the rest of the former Yugoslavia that if they want to be successful, then they Should Redraw their Borders.
It needs to be understood that the Leader of the SPS has said that he is in favour of seeking a Constitutional Amendment to allow for the Partition of Kosovo.
I am in favour of redrawing the Map of the former Yugoslavia, except for Slovenia, if it could be done properly and fairly, but that would be very difficult, if not impossible for the next few years, until the Region of the former Yugoslavia has many more Mature and Adult Politicians with real vision like the Leader of the SPS.
It needs to be said that it is not Treasonous to want to Amend the Constitution, and only the LDP, and the DS would give away Serbian Land without a Referendum to first Change the Serbian Constitution.
We will know what level of support the SPS has for this at the Next Serbian Election, unless the Leader of the SPS has changed his mind on the Partition of Kosovo.
There is a good percentage of Serbian Voters who would trade 67% of Kosovo for the Independence of the Serb Republic, which would mean unification of the Serb Republic with Serbia.
I do not care if the 67% of Kosovo were to gain autonomy under Albania, because that is not my concern, just like I would not care if the Croat Entity of Bosnia Herzegovina were to join Croatia, because that would make perfect sense for them.
The SPS or any other Political Party will always gain over 5% of the Vote at any Election with their Partition Policy, but the Serb Voters should be careful of a new Political Party that is set up from the West to lie on the Partition Deal, only to form a Coalition with the DS in order to give away all of Kosovo.
As a Member of the Coalition Government, the SPS wants a Kosovo Compromise to be in line with the Serbian Constitution, and with the Agreed Government Policy.
However, as an Individual Political Party, the SPS would seek support from the Serbian Voters to Amend the Serbian Constitution to allow for Border Changes.
We know that a Constitutional Amendment will be needed, because the Albanians have said that they want Presevo Valley included in any Partition of Kosovo.
Regardless of anyone’s Opinion on the current Status of Kosovo, even America recognizes that Presevo Valley is Serbian Land, and Presevo Valley cannot be considered as part of a Partition Deal without the approval of the Majority of the Serbian Voters.
It needs to be fully understood by Everyone, that this is Only my Approximate Suggestions on what Partition of Kosovo might look like, and that it is only one of several Possible Models.
My suggestions should in no way reflect on the Official Serbian Government Position, and also the Position of the Overwhelming Majority of Serbian Voters who may be willing to Recognize 67% of Kosovo as an Independent Country under certain conditions.
Opinion Polls should be Conducted to find what the True Level of Support there is among the Kosovo Albanians to the notion of Partition, rather than listening to the few trolls who write comments on this Website.
The Entire United Nation General Assembly Unanimously Voted that the lives of the People of Serbia and Kosovo should be improved.
This can only be done by a Negotiated Settlement of Kosovo’s Final Status, and Regardless of What that Might Be, it will need Money, and the European Union should pay Serbia 60 Billion Euros for the 67% of Kosovo.
Serbia should by all means default on all of its Loans to the IMF, the World Bank, and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development; borrow the Money from Other Sources, and keep Camp Bondsteel, because these things are Compensation for Serbia.
Serbia would want the area where the Battle of Kosovo was fought centuries ago, and there would be other places that would be connected to Serbia by a thick enough land corridor and the Serbs will want Camp Bondsteel for a Tourist Luxury Motel Complex.
It appears that there might be some common sense being applied to the Negotiations, where there is no artificial restrictions on what the Solution will be, or artificial timelines that would hinder a Mutually Agreed Compromise.
I am not saying that am in favour of a partition of Kosovo or against a partition of Kosovo, but if a partition is to be the solution, then it must be a fair partition.
Nothing is ever too late, Berk. What is wrong with a partition solution? The Albanians and Serbs do not want to be governed by one another, so why don't all sides stop peeing into the wind, and split? If the Serbs and Albanians agree, screw the Western degenerate powers. Everyone is f'ing sick of them with their meddling and demands. If there is a forced solution, you know that there will never be peace Kosovo. Don't you want peace?
If I was in the Serbian government, I would jump at the chance to exchange Presevo for N. KiM. In the Presevo Valley, you have nothing but poverty stricken Albanians that are not loyal to the state of Serbia - so good riddance. Let Pristina pick up the cost for supporting their brothers. Lets redraw the borders, tell the Westerners to go f-off, and put a plug in this Kosovo conflict that has gone on for way too long, and at too great a price.
What about partition of Bosnia? Yes, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, these Eurocrats need to be told. It is all connected, no more anti-Serb double standards. Anyone who wants to have a serious discussion on partition of Kosovo, needs to include the partition of Bosnia, and the partition of Montenegro - it's a package deal. Of course, they don't want to, because Germany is dead set on making Serbia smaller, not bigger - this is the crux of the problem. Germans need to be given the finger and their ambassador kicked out of Serbia.
Nothing is ever too late, Berk. What is wrong with a partition solution? The Albanians and Serbs do not want to be governed by one another, so why don't all sides stop peeing into the wind, and split? If the Serbs and Albanians agree, screw the Western degenerate powers. Everyone is f'ing sick of them with their meddling and demands. If there is a forced solution, you know that there will never be peace Kosovo. Don't you want peace?
It appears that there might be some common sense being applied to the Negotiations, where there is no artificial restrictions on what the Solution will be, or artificial timelines that would hinder a Mutually Agreed Compromise.
I am not saying that am in favour of a partition of Kosovo or against a partition of Kosovo, but if a partition is to be the solution, then it must be a fair partition.
It would be very foolish if Serbia agreed to a partition and didn't give away Presovo.
If Serbia doesn't give away Presovo in this kind of deal, then they're just going to have another Kosovo in 50 years, due to higher birthrates amongst Albanians and declining Serbian population in Southern Serbia.
The Serbian - Albanian conflict for the Kosovo region ended in 1999 and let that be the end of it. The Serbs in Kosovo are part of the territory of Kosovo and therefore part of the new nation of Kosovo created as a result of the blody wars of ex Yugoslavia. The Serbs are doing anything they can to take some territory from Kosovo as to show to the regional and the whole world that in the end they didn't loose it all. That is why they have concentrated in that part of the region of Kosovo. What Serbs have done in Kosovo is exactly what they have done in Bosnia, first go in and kill its people take their posetions and land then offer to go to the negotition table and divide their land. This will not be allowed to happen in Kosovo. If Serbs want new territories in the balkans well that episode has ended. The offer has been made by the Russians as they have stated that they will offer depopulated territories in Siberia to all willing Serbs that don't want to live in Kosovo.
My comment on this matter is easy.....Germany GO TO HELL. And my comment to the Albanians who do not wish to live in Serbia is PLEASE LEAVE Albania is calling you home. No more compromise to the EU the USA and Thaci and his criminals. One more comment, Tadic, you are the most stupid of leaders still wishing to join the EU TITANIC. Kosovo is and always will be Serbia and to compromise Kosovo to join it is sheer lunacy.
Besim - I agree with you. Serbia isn't getting the north back....they aren't getting ANYTHING back. All of the natural resources are in the north. Kosova isn't giving that up for ANYTHING. If Serbia wants the north they better be ready to pay lots and lots of money to buy it. Not only that, but they better be ready to pay royalties on the mines and natural resources to the government of Kosova when they buy back the north. How much will Serbia pay for Kosova? How much is it worth to you? This talk about Presevo is non-sense too. Does anyone here realistically believe that Serbia would ever trade the north for Presevo? I don't, so why even mention it as an option? The Albanians are smart with their negotiations. The Albanians have nothing to lose by standing firm on their positions, but Serbia has EVERYTHING to lose by standing firm on their positions. Serbia stands to lose international and European support for much of everything that they may want like the EU, loans, military alliances, trade etc. This issue is irritating to the Albanians, but they have what they want. They have internationally guaranteed borders provided for by NATO/EU and USA and slowly building their military. Go ask every Albanian in Kosova where they live and who they answer to, the Independent Republic of Kosova. THATS all that matters. The Kosovar Albanians can only gain more as time goes on. The Serbs on the other hand are losing everyday that this drags out. Serbia wants that EU membership but they will NEVER get it until they accept Kosova independence. The entire Balkans is moving forward and Serbia is stuck being a pariah state. Kosova isn't perfect by any means, but they have full EU/USA support. Thats worth its weight in gold! The fact that Kosova has the support of the very institution(EU) that Serbia is begging to be a part of says something. Doesn't it? Serbia is willing to give up the north for EU membership. Kosova has EU support.
Don't give ANYTHING up Kosova! We will see who will wear who down first. Serbia since 1999 has only given up something EVERY year that passes. You really think these "talks" between Borko and Edita are meant to give something to Serbia or to Kosova? Kosovar's haven't given up NOTHING, but they keep getting stuff in the "talks"!
Boris Tadic himself said there will be no partition of Kosovo because time for that has past. So, who cares what politicians from other countries say. This is like me saying China should be partitioned.
The Serbian - Albanian conflict for the Kosovo region ended in 1999 and let that be the end of it. The Serbs in Kosovo are part of the territory of Kosovo and therefore part of the new nation of Kosovo created as a result of the blody wars of ex Yugoslavia. The Serbs are doing anything they can to take some territory from Kosovo as to show to the regional and the whole world that in the end they didn't loose it all. That is why they have concentrated in that part of the region of Kosovo. What Serbs have done in Kosovo is exactly what they have done in Bosnia, first go in and kill its people take their posetions and land then offer to go to the negotition table and divide their land. This will not be allowed to happen in Kosovo. If Serbs want new territories in the balkans well that episode has ended. The offer has been made by the Russians as they have stated that they will offer depopulated territories in Siberia to all willing Serbs that don't want to live in Kosovo.
(Besim, 5 February 2012 15:27)
What???? "If Serbs want new territories in the balkans"???? Who started nationalist motivied, bloody, terrorist war for new territories in Kosovo in 90' - Serbs or Albanians?? Who want to create single-nation (cleaned from other nations) albanian state on the territory of Republic of Serbia - Serbs or Albanians?? Who start nationalist motivied war in Macedonia and Presevo Valley??
If You don' see - Serbia is only real multiethnic state on the Balkans (Bosnia is divided on two nationalistic single-nation parts). And not Serbs, but Albanians want to create single-nation, nationalist motivied state in Kosovo.
So - Serbia only defend this territorry against aggresive, nationalistic albanian minority, who don't wan't to live in one multiethnic state - but want to steal serbian land for create cleaned, nationalistic pseudostate.
If I was in the Serbian government, I would jump at the chance to exchange Presevo for N. KiM. In the Presevo Valley, you have nothing but poverty stricken Albanians that are not loyal to the state of Serbia - so good riddance. Let Pristina pick up the cost for supporting their brothers. Lets redraw the borders, tell the Westerners to go f-off, and put a plug in this Kosovo conflict that has gone on for way too long, and at too great a price.
(LudiMuja, 5 February 2012 12:33)
The most reasonable comment that I have read today.
If I was in the Serbian government, I would jump at the chance to exchange Presevo for N. KiM. In the Presevo Valley, you have nothing but poverty stricken Albanians that are not loyal to the state of Serbia - so good riddance. Let Pristina pick up the cost for supporting their brothers. Lets redraw the borders, tell the Westerners to go f-off, and put a plug in this Kosovo conflict that has gone on for way too long, and at too great a price.
If we look at History, then we will say that all the People of the former Yugoslavia have been losers, except for the Slovenes, because after Tito, there should have been a Negotiated Settlement on the matter of Borders.
It appears that most of the People of the former Yugoslavia will continue to be losers if they do not Negotiate Border Changes; however, UNSCR 1244 speaks only of the need to Negotiate a Final Status for Kosovo.
The only People that have been Winners are the Slovenes, and that is what could be the case with the other Peoples of the former Yugoslavia if they Mutually Agreed to Change their Borders.
It is easy to be Wise in Hindsight, and even Einstein has said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and hoping for a different result.
They say that if you want to be successful, then copy successful People, and the Slovenes are the most successful People from the former Yugoslavia.
Slovenia has shown the rest of the former Yugoslavia that if they want to be successful, then they Should Redraw their Borders.
It needs to be understood that the Leader of the SPS has said that he is in favour of seeking a Constitutional Amendment to allow for the Partition of Kosovo.
I am in favour of redrawing the Map of the former Yugoslavia, except for Slovenia, if it could be done properly and fairly, but that would be very difficult, if not impossible for the next few years, until the Region of the former Yugoslavia has many more Mature and Adult Politicians with real vision like the Leader of the SPS.
It needs to be said that it is not Treasonous to want to Amend the Constitution, and only the LDP, and the DS would give away Serbian Land without a Referendum to first Change the Serbian Constitution.
We will know what level of support the SPS has for this at the Next Serbian Election, unless the Leader of the SPS has changed his mind on the Partition of Kosovo.
There is a good percentage of Serbian Voters who would trade 67% of Kosovo for the Independence of the Serb Republic, which would mean unification of the Serb Republic with Serbia.
I do not care if the 67% of Kosovo were to gain autonomy under Albania, because that is not my concern, just like I would not care if the Croat Entity of Bosnia Herzegovina were to join Croatia, because that would make perfect sense for them.
The SPS or any other Political Party will always gain over 5% of the Vote at any Election with their Partition Policy, but the Serb Voters should be careful of a new Political Party that is set up from the West to lie on the Partition Deal, only to form a Coalition with the DS in order to give away all of Kosovo.
As a Member of the Coalition Government, the SPS wants a Kosovo Compromise to be in line with the Serbian Constitution, and with the Agreed Government Policy.
However, as an Individual Political Party, the SPS would seek support from the Serbian Voters to Amend the Serbian Constitution to allow for Border Changes.
We know that a Constitutional Amendment will be needed, because the Albanians have said that they want Presevo Valley included in any Partition of Kosovo.
Regardless of anyone’s Opinion on the current Status of Kosovo, even America recognizes that Presevo Valley is Serbian Land, and Presevo Valley cannot be considered as part of a Partition Deal without the approval of the Majority of the Serbian Voters.
It needs to be fully understood by Everyone, that this is Only my Approximate Suggestions on what Partition of Kosovo might look like, and that it is only one of several Possible Models.
My suggestions should in no way reflect on the Official Serbian Government Position, and also the Position of the Overwhelming Majority of Serbian Voters who may be willing to Recognize 67% of Kosovo as an Independent Country under certain conditions.
Opinion Polls should be Conducted to find what the True Level of Support there is among the Kosovo Albanians to the notion of Partition, rather than listening to the few trolls who write comments on this Website.
The Entire United Nation General Assembly Unanimously Voted that the lives of the People of Serbia and Kosovo should be improved.
This can only be done by a Negotiated Settlement of Kosovo’s Final Status, and Regardless of What that Might Be, it will need Money, and the European Union should pay Serbia 60 Billion Euros for the 67% of Kosovo.
Serbia should by all means default on all of its Loans to the IMF, the World Bank, and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development; borrow the Money from Other Sources, and keep Camp Bondsteel, because these things are Compensation for Serbia.
Serbia would want the area where the Battle of Kosovo was fought centuries ago, and there would be other places that would be connected to Serbia by a thick enough land corridor and the Serbs will want Camp Bondsteel for a Tourist Luxury Motel Complex.
Yeah ! Look at the Serbs how they jump to get somthing that does not belong to them for free!!! Does days are over where you were the first to pick where do you want the border.Berlin is no longer with you.Not that you wont get an inch from Dardania (Kosova) but you wont be able to keep Sanxhak and Presheva Valley and of course Vojvodina.Just look past 20 years.From the top of the list with the best economy in the region with one of the worst 20 years later.And do you know why ? Because the other nations of former Yugo do not work for you no more.Like it or not thats the truth and sometimes the truth hurts and in this case you Serbs.
Nothing is ever too late, Berk. What is wrong with a partition solution?
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Don't you want peace?
(PapaJohn, 5 February 2012 12:26)
That simply comes to late. Kosovo declared independence on the basis of the A-Plan which gives Serbs tremendously high proportion of power compared to the size of the population. Without the North, it would make no sense to perpetuate that, along with other compromises Prishtina was willing to accept. Furthermore, what would be this solution worth if it would lead in 3 other states to more tensions? And especially why. For 40 000 dissatisfied Serbs? Never ever..
"The offer has been made by the Russians as they have stated that they will offer depopulated territories in Siberia to all willing Serbs that don't want to live in Kosovo."
(Besim, 5 February 2012 15:27)
I think it would be better that some African deserts are offered to Kosovo Albanians - the African clan mentality suits them better than European democratic standards, and Paccoli doesn't have to travel that much to buy more recognitions.
If you want to do something. Do a people exchange. Like polonia and germany after WW2
All albanians leave Serbia, in exchange that every serb leaves Kosova!!
That is not the best solution. But its better than territorialexchange!!
and what about sandjak who is half albanian?
(lili, 5 February 2012 17:29)
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Even if it was half Albanian, what about it? Do you think that your ability to over populate a region gives you the right to claim it as part of Albania?
If Serbia doesn't give away Presovo in this kind of deal, then they're just going to have another Kosovo in 50 years, due to higher birthrates amongst Albanians and declining Serbian population in Southern Serbia.
(Danilo, 5 February 2012 15:04)
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So all you have to do is breed uncontrollably and you can take part of a host country one day. You actually condone this?
This should be a warning to ANY European country not to allow Albanians in.
"All albanians leave Serbia, in exchange that every serb leaves Kosova!!"
Great idea! "Kosova" does not exist and so all Serbs can and will stay in Kosovo and Serbia, including Kosovo (of course), will be a better place without any Albanian. The Albanians in Serbia can move back to Albania or Macedonia.
So for you the Albanians are a subject to be oppressed? What I can say, Albanian tries for one century to get the attitude of oppressed people, but as we see they were not able for that. The Albanian loves the freedom and not only the freedom for themselves but for all the peoples. The century of dictatorship 20th is gone. We are living in the century of freedom. Albanians prefer to much the freedom and fair competition. We are using this situation for prospering too fast. I see that you Serbs are a little confused, cause your attitude from the 20th century is to prosper oppressing, using and ruling the others and not as for fair competition. Change your attitude, because time has changed.
(dori tirana, 6 February 2012 09:10)
If your attitude has changed so much and you all so highly value peace and freedom why is it that you attempt to snatch land from the Serbians and continue to create problems for us? What did you expect Serbia to do when you tried to declare part of its territory independent? What's wrong with Albania? Why don't we make a fair trade and we'll take half of Albania as compensation?
If the partition happens (Leposavic, Zubin Potok goes to Serbia and Preseva Valley to Kosova), then there wont be an Ahtistari Plan anymore. Nobody can stop us annexing with Albania. And by no matter if this partition happens, one day, we will merge with Albania.
"Go ask every Albanian in Kosova where they live and who they answer to, the Independent Republic of Kosova. THATS all that matters. "
(USA United States of Albania, 5 February 2012 17:06)
That's all that matters - which perfectly describes the problem of Kosovo Albanians. Instead of trying to stand on their own feed and care for some economic progress and finally adapt to European standards, they prefer to live on donor money/money from drug mafia clans and waste money for buying more recognitions, while the people are living in poverty hardly to be found anywhere in Europe.
Don't like the country your living in? MOVE!!! So sick to death of hearing about this trading notion. Why should we give up territory? Why because the Albanians don't wish to live under our rule? It's not their land to do as they wish, they live in Serbia, and no UDI can change that.
I am all for peace and happiness, but how do you expect us to stay peaceful when all the Albanians want to do is divide? They don't have to live under Serbian rule, they can take their stuff and move to Albania. How long can you keep pushing separatist ideas? Why then doesn't the same happen with the Muslim population around Europe? Or even the South Americans living in America? They are both heavily oppressed by those countries.
If the partition happens (Leposavic, Zubin Potok goes to Serbia and Preseva Valley to Kosova), then there wont be an Ahtistari Plan anymore. Nobody can stop us annexing with Albania. And by no matter if this partition happens, one day, we will merge with Albania.
That would be the peace.
(AnotherGUY, 5 February 2012 19:43)
Preshevo Valley and the Sandzak should be off the table in any discussion about any deal regarding the final status of Kosovo as they are not part of Kosovo. Both Albanians and Serbs will have to lick their wounds after a compromise agreeable by all. The current situation where Albanians take all is simply not feasible in the medium to long term as it remains a potential flashpoint for future unrest.
The North is gone from Pristina grasp while south of the Ibar is gone from Belgrade's hold. Both sides can come to an agreement regarding the holy sites and the enclaves. Kosovo should then be Daytonised al la B-H giving the Serbs and Gorani maximum autonomy in return for Belgrade giving the nod for recognition. Belgrade becomes the guarantors for Serbs, Gorani and Roma in the south with their political clout in tact with Tirana brought in for the Albanians. Finally, an agreement from Pristina that a political union with Albania is off the cards permenantly.
I think all parties can start to move on from there.
Under no circumstances should Serbia divide Kosovo- it is completely Serbian according to UN1244 and it will be completely Serb populated the day after Americans leave Balcans which will happen sooner or later!
This argument North of Kosovo for Presevo is laughable,Presevo Albanians are massively moving out ,in Bujanovac they are declining,all the youth is practically gone!
In Kosovo ,the newest census showed that Albanians fell from 1,9 million in 1991 to a whopping 1,5 million in 2010,even with falsifying it the census showed that Albanians are desperate and starving,leaving Kosovo for the West!
The economic situation in Kosovo is catastrophical,GDP is 1500 $ per capita,just like in 2000,in Serbia GDP per capita went from 1500 in 1999 to 11000 $ per capita,with FIAT starting to produce we will see a revival of the automotive industry and a drop in unemployment!
Albanians like to bragg about the Western support they have,but where are Western companies to invest and employ their people so they dont leave?
Nowhere,because those businesses know that there is no future in asuch an isolated,unrecognized hole...
The fact is that Serbia will over time get stronger and stronger while the Albanians are getting weaker and weaker,our allies are strenghthening while theirs will be leaving Kosovo soon!
Danilo, the Albanian birth rate factor will not be a problem for EU assimilation. The EU will impose a 1 or 2 child birthrate limit on the Albanians, which they will have to adhere to in order to join the EU. You know that that rule will come. Does any Albanian think that the EU will want an over-production of non-EU specific offspring overtaking their own, into the EU club? Think again, Albanians, before you give your souls away again, like you did during the Ottoman rule, the League of Prizren, WWII nazis, and lately the CIA and NATO. Have some manly balls this time, be brave, and reject others (world powers) to solve your lives. With that, maybe one day the world will respect Albanians, and not see them as, historic willing accomplices.
There is one argument I would like to quickly nip in the bud. The argument is:
1. Both Albanians and Serbs don't want to live with each other
2. So they must live separately
This is FALSE.
Serbs live under "Albanian" rule, the majority of Kosovan minority live peaceful in Kosovo. The same argument can be applied to the Albanians living in "Southern" Serbia who live peacefully under "Serbian" rule.
Maybe the argument should be altered to ETHNICITY X would PREFER not live under ETHNICITY Y's rule instead of making wishful claims.
Danilo, the Albanian birth rate factor will not be a problem for EU assimilation. The EU will impose a 1 or 2 child birthrate limit on the Albanians, which they will have to adhere to in order to join the EU. You know that that rule will come. Does any Albanian think that the EU will want an over-production of non-EU specific offspring overtaking their own, into the EU club? Think again, Albanians, before you give your souls away again, like you did during the Ottoman rule, the League of Prizren, WWII nazis, and lately the CIA and NATO. Have some manly balls this time, be brave, and reject others (world powers) to solve your lives. With that, maybe one day the world will respect Albanians, and not see them as, historic willing accomplices.
(PapaJohn, 5 February 2012 22:14)
PapaJohn I can see you are so well read, as you know in EU they have issue with population most countries do not have enough to keep growth so birth is never a issue. The way you think is more like you brothers in the East not European behavior.
Serbia has huge population issue we all know this most your villages in south are empty do Serbs in that region already getting Albanian wife's which means ( Albanian Mother only makes Children who will have same blood as the people you hate so much. A Montenegrin king once said Montenegrin woman can marry who ever they like but men only Montenegrin women as they will always teach love for Montenegro put this in your side of the fence :)
In 30 years your PM might just have his uncle from Albania and might just make you loose your mind but also mend the bridge between two nations and learn not to try eleminat each other but learn to look in similarities.
Bosnia and Hercegovina, Macedonia and Montenegro are artificial countries. If we wnt the resolution of national question nd peace in the Balcand than this thre countries should be devided between Croatia, Serbia, Albania and Bulgaria. In a free referendum of the population of this countries that would the vresult and the creation of national-states will come to the and in the Balkans.
If your attitude has changed so much and you all so highly value peace and freedom why is it that you attempt to snatch land from the Serbians and continue to create problems for us? What did you expect Serbia to do when you tried to declare part of its territory independent? What's wrong with Albania? Why don't we make a fair trade and we'll take half of Albania as compensation?
(Goran., 6 February 2012 13:19)
Goran you not only have to change your attitude, but you also have to try to be in contact with real facts. Yes Kosova is half of Albania that you win during WWI with the support of Russia and others powers at that time. After one century of Apartheid and after the ethnic cleansing attempt of Milosevic, the ancient peoples of Kosova ethnic Albanians with the help of the Great Powers win the Independence in 2008. You don’t ask them when you occupy Kosova during WWI and they don’t ask you when they declare the Independence in 2008. So we are fair at this point I think. Can we now start a new story of peace between us at this point? If you don’t want go on, we don’t have any problem with every option you choose. We survive the hell that you build for us during 20th century and get out strongest.
During Ottoman york Russia (and some other European countries) tried to liberate Serbia from Ottomans, but their attempts sometimes failed. After such failures Serbian population had to flee Kosovo (or were driven) to avoid repressions. Ottomans settled Albanians there to change ethnic balance of the area, that was the way Kosovo became mostly Albanian. Then in 1912 Russia (and other countries) had opportunity to give Kosovo back to Serbia.
(aaayyy, 6 February 2012 17:06)
During the rule of Heraclius Serbs were invited by the emperor of Rome as a fighting force against Avars. Then the emperor offered them the lands around Rasca, where Serbia is today. Then these hordes gradually occupied all the lands around them, including Dardania which was already populated by Dardanians and named this place Kosovo.
Then the people living in Kosova had the opportunity in 2008 to finally declare their independence and give Kosova back to their own people.
Germans need to be given the finger and their ambassador kicked out of Serbia. (Dragan, 5 February 2012 16:15) Dragan, Germans like the finger, and will not mind that at all. Serbs, Albanians, and Bosnians need to solve their own differences, and not cater to these external occupiers. As long as the EU is strong, they will be demanding of nations in Europe, members or not. But the EU is weakening, badly, and soon will be impotent. Interesting days are ahead for Europe.
A very reasonable solution, to include talking about the Serb Republic. The way most of the Balkans was redrawn had more to do with creating economic viability more than hurting or helping one person against another. The EU and US are great believers in multiculturalism and it was decided that enforced minority populations could be easily made to live together in harmony, not because it happens very often, but out of dogma. Since the Multicult isn't succeeding in the EU or the US it was always a bit mad, but never discount philosophical leanings of any group when making bad decisions. Nationalists, minorities, and EU bureaucrats are not immune from letting their own beliefs cause them to discount reality. It will never be perfect, but it certainly could have been done much more reasonably than it was. Let the EU support Bosnia and various Albanian entities and let Serbs as they would choose.
How long can you keep pushing separatist ideas? Why then doesn't the same happen with the Muslim population around Europe? Or even the South Americans living in America? They are both heavily oppressed by those countries.
(Goran., 6 February 2012 00:17)
So for you the Albanians are a subject to be oppressed? What I can say, Albanian tries for one century to get the attitude of oppressed people, but as we see they were not able for that. The Albanian loves the freedom and not only the freedom for themselves but for all the peoples. The century of dictatorship 20th is gone. We are living in the century of freedom. Albanians prefer to much the freedom and fair competition. We are using this situation for prospering too fast. I see that you Serbs are a little confused, cause your attitude from the 20th century is to prosper oppressing, using and ruling the others and not as for fair competition. Change your attitude, because time has changed.
"If your attitude has changed so much and you all so highly value peace and freedom why is it that you attempt to snatch land from the Serbians and continue to create problems for us? What did you expect Serbia to do when you tried to declare part of its territory independent? What's wrong with Albania? Why don't we make a fair trade and we'll take half of Albania as compensation?"
why...does half of Albania want to be a part of Serbia? The problem with you was that you never saw ands still don't see, your own Albanian citizens as, ohh i don't know, equals? look at yourself first. and Niall, why does Prishtina have to sign anything like a promise never to join with Albania? why the hell do you care who they choose to join with?
"What???? "If Serbs want new territories in the balkans"???? Who started nationalist motivied, bloody, terrorist war for new territories in Kosovo in 90' - Serbs or Albanians??..."....
So - Serbia only defend this territorry against aggresive, nationalistic albanian minority, who don't wan't to live in one multiethnic state - but want to steal serbian land for create cleaned, nationalistic pseudostate."
(Niklot, Poland, 5 February 2012 17:23
You have no idea what are you talking about.
It was Serbia who started everything in Kosovo.
They kicked out Albanians from thhe institutions, from schools, from their working places and than kicking out Albanians from Kosovo. In the train, in the buss and direction Macedonia and/or Albania with hope they will further move to anywhere else and they will never ever be back.
I live in Kosovo and I was here during this time (1970 - 1999). And I am here still and this is where I will always be...
If you comment, than try to understand more about the issues where you are commenting.
"Kosovo should then be Daytonised al la B-H giving the Serbs and Gorani maximum autonomy in return for Belgrade giving the nod for recognition. Belgrade becomes the guarantors for Serbs, Gorani and Roma "
oh yeah sure...let Serbia in and keep Kosova out. forget it. swap with Presheva, that's it.
Yes Kosova is half of Albania that you win during WWI with the support of Russia and others powers at that time.
(dori)
During Ottoman york Russia (and some other European countries) tried to liberate Serbia from Ottomans, but their attempts sometimes failed. After such failures Serbian population had to flee Kosovo (or were driven) to avoid repressions. Ottomans settled Albanians there to change ethnic balance of the area, that was the way Kosovo became mostly Albanian. Then in 1912 Russia (and other countries) had opportunity to give Kosovo back to Serbia.
"As far as I understand EU got tied by unemployed KAlbs and wants Serbia to open its borders to employ them."
which newspaper did you read this on, the fictional gazette? p.s. special status for southern enclave? what would that be? how about we put it on their birth certificates that they are special? does that do the trick do you think?
hey PERRY YOU THINK SERBS LIVING BETER THAN ALBANIANS I DONT THINK SO SERBIA GOING DOWN TO THE HELL.... vorry about serbia and not to vorry about albania albania and kosovo is one country........
The Serbian - Albanian conflict for the Kosovo region ended in 1999 and let that be the end of it. The Serbs in Kosovo are part of the territory of Kosovo and therefore part of the new nation of Kosovo created as a result of the blody wars of ex Yugoslavia. The Serbs are doing anything they can to take some territory from Kosovo as to show to the regional and the whole world that in the end they didn't loose it all. That is why they have concentrated in that part of the region of Kosovo. What Serbs have done in Kosovo is exactly what they have done in Bosnia, first go in and kill its people take their posetions and land then offer to go to the negotition table and divide their land. This will not be allowed to happen in Kosovo. If Serbs want new territories in the balkans well that episode has ended. The offer has been made by the Russians as they have stated that they will offer depopulated territories in Siberia to all willing Serbs that don't want to live in Kosovo.
If we look at History, then we will say that all the People of the former Yugoslavia have been losers, except for the Slovenes, because after Tito, there should have been a Negotiated Settlement on the matter of Borders.
It appears that most of the People of the former Yugoslavia will continue to be losers if they do not Negotiate Border Changes; however, UNSCR 1244 speaks only of the need to Negotiate a Final Status for Kosovo.
The only People that have been Winners are the Slovenes, and that is what could be the case with the other Peoples of the former Yugoslavia if they Mutually Agreed to Change their Borders.
It is easy to be Wise in Hindsight, and even Einstein has said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and hoping for a different result.
They say that if you want to be successful, then copy successful People, and the Slovenes are the most successful People from the former Yugoslavia.
Slovenia has shown the rest of the former Yugoslavia that if they want to be successful, then they Should Redraw their Borders.
It needs to be understood that the Leader of the SPS has said that he is in favour of seeking a Constitutional Amendment to allow for the Partition of Kosovo.
I am in favour of redrawing the Map of the former Yugoslavia, except for Slovenia, if it could be done properly and fairly, but that would be very difficult, if not impossible for the next few years, until the Region of the former Yugoslavia has many more Mature and Adult Politicians with real vision like the Leader of the SPS.
It needs to be said that it is not Treasonous to want to Amend the Constitution, and only the LDP, and the DS would give away Serbian Land without a Referendum to first Change the Serbian Constitution.
We will know what level of support the SPS has for this at the Next Serbian Election, unless the Leader of the SPS has changed his mind on the Partition of Kosovo.
There is a good percentage of Serbian Voters who would trade 67% of Kosovo for the Independence of the Serb Republic, which would mean unification of the Serb Republic with Serbia.
I do not care if the 67% of Kosovo were to gain autonomy under Albania, because that is not my concern, just like I would not care if the Croat Entity of Bosnia Herzegovina were to join Croatia, because that would make perfect sense for them.
The SPS or any other Political Party will always gain over 5% of the Vote at any Election with their Partition Policy, but the Serb Voters should be careful of a new Political Party that is set up from the West to lie on the Partition Deal, only to form a Coalition with the DS in order to give away all of Kosovo.
As a Member of the Coalition Government, the SPS wants a Kosovo Compromise to be in line with the Serbian Constitution, and with the Agreed Government Policy.
However, as an Individual Political Party, the SPS would seek support from the Serbian Voters to Amend the Serbian Constitution to allow for Border Changes.
We know that a Constitutional Amendment will be needed, because the Albanians have said that they want Presevo Valley included in any Partition of Kosovo.
Regardless of anyone’s Opinion on the current Status of Kosovo, even America recognizes that Presevo Valley is Serbian Land, and Presevo Valley cannot be considered as part of a Partition Deal without the approval of the Majority of the Serbian Voters.
It needs to be fully understood by Everyone, that this is Only my Approximate Suggestions on what Partition of Kosovo might look like, and that it is only one of several Possible Models.
My suggestions should in no way reflect on the Official Serbian Government Position, and also the Position of the Overwhelming Majority of Serbian Voters who may be willing to Recognize 67% of Kosovo as an Independent Country under certain conditions.
Opinion Polls should be Conducted to find what the True Level of Support there is among the Kosovo Albanians to the notion of Partition, rather than listening to the few trolls who write comments on this Website.
The Entire United Nation General Assembly Unanimously Voted that the lives of the People of Serbia and Kosovo should be improved.
This can only be done by a Negotiated Settlement of Kosovo’s Final Status, and Regardless of What that Might Be, it will need Money, and the European Union should pay Serbia 60 Billion Euros for the 67% of Kosovo.
Serbia should by all means default on all of its Loans to the IMF, the World Bank, and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development; borrow the Money from Other Sources, and keep Camp Bondsteel, because these things are Compensation for Serbia.
Serbia would want the area where the Battle of Kosovo was fought centuries ago, and there would be other places that would be connected to Serbia by a thick enough land corridor and the Serbs will want Camp Bondsteel for a Tourist Luxury Motel Complex.
It would be very foolish if Serbia agreed to a partition and didn't give away Presovo.
If Serbia doesn't give away Presovo in this kind of deal, then they're just going to have another Kosovo in 50 years, due to higher birthrates amongst Albanians and declining Serbian population in Southern Serbia.
What about partition of Bosnia? Yes, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, these Eurocrats need to be told. It is all connected, no more anti-Serb double standards. Anyone who wants to have a serious discussion on partition of Kosovo, needs to include the partition of Bosnia, and the partition of Montenegro - it's a package deal. Of course, they don't want to, because Germany is dead set on making Serbia smaller, not bigger - this is the crux of the problem. Germans need to be given the finger and their ambassador kicked out of Serbia.
My comment on this matter is easy.....Germany GO TO HELL. And my comment to the Albanians who do not wish to live in Serbia is PLEASE LEAVE Albania is calling you home. No more compromise to the EU the USA and Thaci and his criminals. One more comment, Tadic, you are the most stupid of leaders still wishing to join the EU TITANIC. Kosovo is and always will be Serbia and to compromise Kosovo to join it is sheer lunacy.
Besim - I agree with you. Serbia isn't getting the north back....they aren't getting ANYTHING back. All of the natural resources are in the north. Kosova isn't giving that up for ANYTHING. If Serbia wants the north they better be ready to pay lots and lots of money to buy it. Not only that, but they better be ready to pay royalties on the mines and natural resources to the government of Kosova when they buy back the north. How much will Serbia pay for Kosova? How much is it worth to you? This talk about Presevo is non-sense too. Does anyone here realistically believe that Serbia would ever trade the north for Presevo? I don't, so why even mention it as an option? The Albanians are smart with their negotiations. The Albanians have nothing to lose by standing firm on their positions, but Serbia has EVERYTHING to lose by standing firm on their positions. Serbia stands to lose international and European support for much of everything that they may want like the EU, loans, military alliances, trade etc. This issue is irritating to the Albanians, but they have what they want. They have internationally guaranteed borders provided for by NATO/EU and USA and slowly building their military. Go ask every Albanian in Kosova where they live and who they answer to, the Independent Republic of Kosova. THATS all that matters. The Kosovar Albanians can only gain more as time goes on. The Serbs on the other hand are losing everyday that this drags out. Serbia wants that EU membership but they will NEVER get it until they accept Kosova independence. The entire Balkans is moving forward and Serbia is stuck being a pariah state. Kosova isn't perfect by any means, but they have full EU/USA support. Thats worth its weight in gold! The fact that Kosova has the support of the very institution(EU) that Serbia is begging to be a part of says something. Doesn't it? Serbia is willing to give up the north for EU membership. Kosova has EU support.
Don't give ANYTHING up Kosova! We will see who will wear who down first. Serbia since 1999 has only given up something EVERY year that passes. You really think these "talks" between Borko and Edita are meant to give something to Serbia or to Kosova? Kosovar's haven't given up NOTHING, but they keep getting stuff in the "talks"!
"The offer has been made by the Russians as they have stated that they will offer depopulated territories in Siberia to all willing Serbs that don't want to live in Kosovo."
(Besim, 5 February 2012 15:27)
I think it would be better that some African deserts are offered to Kosovo Albanians - the African clan mentality suits them better than European democratic standards, and Paccoli doesn't have to travel that much to buy more recognitions.
Nothing is ever too late, Berk. What is wrong with a partition solution?
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Don't you want peace?
(PapaJohn, 5 February 2012 12:26)
That simply comes to late. Kosovo declared independence on the basis of the A-Plan which gives Serbs tremendously high proportion of power compared to the size of the population. Without the North, it would make no sense to perpetuate that, along with other compromises Prishtina was willing to accept. Furthermore, what would be this solution worth if it would lead in 3 other states to more tensions? And especially why. For 40 000 dissatisfied Serbs? Never ever..
The Serbian - Albanian conflict for the Kosovo region ended in 1999 and let that be the end of it. The Serbs in Kosovo are part of the territory of Kosovo and therefore part of the new nation of Kosovo created as a result of the blody wars of ex Yugoslavia. The Serbs are doing anything they can to take some territory from Kosovo as to show to the regional and the whole world that in the end they didn't loose it all. That is why they have concentrated in that part of the region of Kosovo. What Serbs have done in Kosovo is exactly what they have done in Bosnia, first go in and kill its people take their posetions and land then offer to go to the negotition table and divide their land. This will not be allowed to happen in Kosovo. If Serbs want new territories in the balkans well that episode has ended. The offer has been made by the Russians as they have stated that they will offer depopulated territories in Siberia to all willing Serbs that don't want to live in Kosovo.
(Besim, 5 February 2012 15:27)
What???? "If Serbs want new territories in the balkans"???? Who started nationalist motivied, bloody, terrorist war for new territories in Kosovo in 90' - Serbs or Albanians?? Who want to create single-nation (cleaned from other nations) albanian state on the territory of Republic of Serbia - Serbs or Albanians?? Who start nationalist motivied war in Macedonia and Presevo Valley??
If You don' see - Serbia is only real multiethnic state on the Balkans (Bosnia is divided on two nationalistic single-nation parts). And not Serbs, but Albanians want to create single-nation, nationalist motivied state in Kosovo.
So - Serbia only defend this territorry against aggresive, nationalistic albanian minority, who don't wan't to live in one multiethnic state - but want to steal serbian land for create cleaned, nationalistic pseudostate.
Yeah ! Look at the Serbs how they jump to get somthing that does not belong to them for free!!! Does days are over where you were the first to pick where do you want the border.Berlin is no longer with you.Not that you wont get an inch from Dardania (Kosova) but you wont be able to keep Sanxhak and Presheva Valley and of course Vojvodina.Just look past 20 years.From the top of the list with the best economy in the region with one of the worst 20 years later.And do you know why ? Because the other nations of former Yugo do not work for you no more.Like it or not thats the truth and sometimes the truth hurts and in this case you Serbs.
If you want to do something. Do a people exchange. Like polonia and germany after WW2
All albanians leave Serbia, in exchange that every serb leaves Kosova!!
That is not the best solution. But its better than territorialexchange!!
Nothing is ever too late, Berk. What is wrong with a partition solution? The Albanians and Serbs do not want to be governed by one another, so why don't all sides stop peeing into the wind, and split? If the Serbs and Albanians agree, screw the Western degenerate powers. Everyone is f'ing sick of them with their meddling and demands. If there is a forced solution, you know that there will never be peace Kosovo. Don't you want peace?
If I was in the Serbian government, I would jump at the chance to exchange Presevo for N. KiM. In the Presevo Valley, you have nothing but poverty stricken Albanians that are not loyal to the state of Serbia - so good riddance. Let Pristina pick up the cost for supporting their brothers. Lets redraw the borders, tell the Westerners to go f-off, and put a plug in this Kosovo conflict that has gone on for way too long, and at too great a price.
Danilo, the Albanian birth rate factor will not be a problem for EU assimilation. The EU will impose a 1 or 2 child birthrate limit on the Albanians, which they will have to adhere to in order to join the EU. You know that that rule will come. Does any Albanian think that the EU will want an over-production of non-EU specific offspring overtaking their own, into the EU club? Think again, Albanians, before you give your souls away again, like you did during the Ottoman rule, the League of Prizren, WWII nazis, and lately the CIA and NATO. Have some manly balls this time, be brave, and reject others (world powers) to solve your lives. With that, maybe one day the world will respect Albanians, and not see them as, historic willing accomplices.
If Serbia doesn't give away Presovo in this kind of deal, then they're just going to have another Kosovo in 50 years, due to higher birthrates amongst Albanians and declining Serbian population in Southern Serbia.
(Danilo, 5 February 2012 15:04)
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So all you have to do is breed uncontrollably and you can take part of a host country one day. You actually condone this?
This should be a warning to ANY European country not to allow Albanians in.
It appears that there might be some common sense being applied to the Negotiations, where there is no artificial restrictions on what the Solution will be, or artificial timelines that would hinder a Mutually Agreed Compromise.
I am not saying that am in favour of a partition of Kosovo or against a partition of Kosovo, but if a partition is to be the solution, then it must be a fair partition.
"Go ask every Albanian in Kosova where they live and who they answer to, the Independent Republic of Kosova. THATS all that matters. "
(USA United States of Albania, 5 February 2012 17:06)
That's all that matters - which perfectly describes the problem of Kosovo Albanians. Instead of trying to stand on their own feed and care for some economic progress and finally adapt to European standards, they prefer to live on donor money/money from drug mafia clans and waste money for buying more recognitions, while the people are living in poverty hardly to be found anywhere in Europe.
and what about sandjak who is half albanian?
(lili, 5 February 2012 17:29)
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Even if it was half Albanian, what about it? Do you think that your ability to over populate a region gives you the right to claim it as part of Albania?
If I was in the Serbian government, I would jump at the chance to exchange Presevo for N. KiM. In the Presevo Valley, you have nothing but poverty stricken Albanians that are not loyal to the state of Serbia - so good riddance. Let Pristina pick up the cost for supporting their brothers. Lets redraw the borders, tell the Westerners to go f-off, and put a plug in this Kosovo conflict that has gone on for way too long, and at too great a price.
(LudiMuja, 5 February 2012 12:33)
The most reasonable comment that I have read today.
If the partition happens (Leposavic, Zubin Potok goes to Serbia and Preseva Valley to Kosova), then there wont be an Ahtistari Plan anymore. Nobody can stop us annexing with Albania. And by no matter if this partition happens, one day, we will merge with Albania.
"All albanians leave Serbia, in exchange that every serb leaves Kosova!!"
Great idea! "Kosova" does not exist and so all Serbs can and will stay in Kosovo and Serbia, including Kosovo (of course), will be a better place without any Albanian. The Albanians in Serbia can move back to Albania or Macedonia.
If the partition happens (Leposavic, Zubin Potok goes to Serbia and Preseva Valley to Kosova), then there wont be an Ahtistari Plan anymore. Nobody can stop us annexing with Albania. And by no matter if this partition happens, one day, we will merge with Albania.
That would be the peace.
(AnotherGUY, 5 February 2012 19:43)
Preshevo Valley and the Sandzak should be off the table in any discussion about any deal regarding the final status of Kosovo as they are not part of Kosovo. Both Albanians and Serbs will have to lick their wounds after a compromise agreeable by all. The current situation where Albanians take all is simply not feasible in the medium to long term as it remains a potential flashpoint for future unrest.
The North is gone from Pristina grasp while south of the Ibar is gone from Belgrade's hold. Both sides can come to an agreement regarding the holy sites and the enclaves. Kosovo should then be Daytonised al la B-H giving the Serbs and Gorani maximum autonomy in return for Belgrade giving the nod for recognition. Belgrade becomes the guarantors for Serbs, Gorani and Roma in the south with their political clout in tact with Tirana brought in for the Albanians. Finally, an agreement from Pristina that a political union with Albania is off the cards permenantly.
I think all parties can start to move on from there.
"Kosovo should then be Daytonised al la B-H giving the Serbs and Gorani maximum autonomy in return for Belgrade giving the nod for recognition. Belgrade becomes the guarantors for Serbs, Gorani and Roma "
oh yeah sure...let Serbia in and keep Kosova out. forget it. swap with Presheva, that's it.
"If your attitude has changed so much and you all so highly value peace and freedom why is it that you attempt to snatch land from the Serbians and continue to create problems for us? What did you expect Serbia to do when you tried to declare part of its territory independent? What's wrong with Albania? Why don't we make a fair trade and we'll take half of Albania as compensation?"
why...does half of Albania want to be a part of Serbia? The problem with you was that you never saw ands still don't see, your own Albanian citizens as, ohh i don't know, equals? look at yourself first. and Niall, why does Prishtina have to sign anything like a promise never to join with Albania? why the hell do you care who they choose to join with?
During Ottoman york Russia (and some other European countries) tried to liberate Serbia from Ottomans, but their attempts sometimes failed. After such failures Serbian population had to flee Kosovo (or were driven) to avoid repressions. Ottomans settled Albanians there to change ethnic balance of the area, that was the way Kosovo became mostly Albanian. Then in 1912 Russia (and other countries) had opportunity to give Kosovo back to Serbia.
(aaayyy, 6 February 2012 17:06)
During the rule of Heraclius Serbs were invited by the emperor of Rome as a fighting force against Avars. Then the emperor offered them the lands around Rasca, where Serbia is today. Then these hordes gradually occupied all the lands around them, including Dardania which was already populated by Dardanians and named this place Kosovo.
Then the people living in Kosova had the opportunity in 2008 to finally declare their independence and give Kosova back to their own people.
Boris Tadic himself said there will be no partition of Kosovo because time for that has past. So, who cares what politicians from other countries say. This is like me saying China should be partitioned.
Germans need to be given the finger and their ambassador kicked out of Serbia. (Dragan, 5 February 2012 16:15) Dragan, Germans like the finger, and will not mind that at all. Serbs, Albanians, and Bosnians need to solve their own differences, and not cater to these external occupiers. As long as the EU is strong, they will be demanding of nations in Europe, members or not. But the EU is weakening, badly, and soon will be impotent. Interesting days are ahead for Europe.
If your attitude has changed so much and you all so highly value peace and freedom why is it that you attempt to snatch land from the Serbians and continue to create problems for us? What did you expect Serbia to do when you tried to declare part of its territory independent? What's wrong with Albania? Why don't we make a fair trade and we'll take half of Albania as compensation?
(Goran., 6 February 2012 13:19)
Goran you not only have to change your attitude, but you also have to try to be in contact with real facts. Yes Kosova is half of Albania that you win during WWI with the support of Russia and others powers at that time. After one century of Apartheid and after the ethnic cleansing attempt of Milosevic, the ancient peoples of Kosova ethnic Albanians with the help of the Great Powers win the Independence in 2008. You don’t ask them when you occupy Kosova during WWI and they don’t ask you when they declare the Independence in 2008. So we are fair at this point I think. Can we now start a new story of peace between us at this point? If you don’t want go on, we don’t have any problem with every option you choose. We survive the hell that you build for us during 20th century and get out strongest.
"As far as I understand EU got tied by unemployed KAlbs and wants Serbia to open its borders to employ them."
which newspaper did you read this on, the fictional gazette? p.s. special status for southern enclave? what would that be? how about we put it on their birth certificates that they are special? does that do the trick do you think?
How long can you keep pushing separatist ideas? Why then doesn't the same happen with the Muslim population around Europe? Or even the South Americans living in America? They are both heavily oppressed by those countries.
(Goran., 6 February 2012 00:17)
So for you the Albanians are a subject to be oppressed? What I can say, Albanian tries for one century to get the attitude of oppressed people, but as we see they were not able for that. The Albanian loves the freedom and not only the freedom for themselves but for all the peoples. The century of dictatorship 20th is gone. We are living in the century of freedom. Albanians prefer to much the freedom and fair competition. We are using this situation for prospering too fast. I see that you Serbs are a little confused, cause your attitude from the 20th century is to prosper oppressing, using and ruling the others and not as for fair competition. Change your attitude, because time has changed.
Under no circumstances should Serbia divide Kosovo- it is completely Serbian according to UN1244 and it will be completely Serb populated the day after Americans leave Balcans which will happen sooner or later!
This argument North of Kosovo for Presevo is laughable,Presevo Albanians are massively moving out ,in Bujanovac they are declining,all the youth is practically gone!
In Kosovo ,the newest census showed that Albanians fell from 1,9 million in 1991 to a whopping 1,5 million in 2010,even with falsifying it the census showed that Albanians are desperate and starving,leaving Kosovo for the West!
The economic situation in Kosovo is catastrophical,GDP is 1500 $ per capita,just like in 2000,in Serbia GDP per capita went from 1500 in 1999 to 11000 $ per capita,with FIAT starting to produce we will see a revival of the automotive industry and a drop in unemployment!
Albanians like to bragg about the Western support they have,but where are Western companies to invest and employ their people so they dont leave?
Nowhere,because those businesses know that there is no future in asuch an isolated,unrecognized hole...
The fact is that Serbia will over time get stronger and stronger while the Albanians are getting weaker and weaker,our allies are strenghthening while theirs will be leaving Kosovo soon!
Yes Kosova is half of Albania that you win during WWI with the support of Russia and others powers at that time.
(dori)
During Ottoman york Russia (and some other European countries) tried to liberate Serbia from Ottomans, but their attempts sometimes failed. After such failures Serbian population had to flee Kosovo (or were driven) to avoid repressions. Ottomans settled Albanians there to change ethnic balance of the area, that was the way Kosovo became mostly Albanian. Then in 1912 Russia (and other countries) had opportunity to give Kosovo back to Serbia.
Don't like the country your living in? MOVE!!! So sick to death of hearing about this trading notion. Why should we give up territory? Why because the Albanians don't wish to live under our rule? It's not their land to do as they wish, they live in Serbia, and no UDI can change that.
I am all for peace and happiness, but how do you expect us to stay peaceful when all the Albanians want to do is divide? They don't have to live under Serbian rule, they can take their stuff and move to Albania. How long can you keep pushing separatist ideas? Why then doesn't the same happen with the Muslim population around Europe? Or even the South Americans living in America? They are both heavily oppressed by those countries.
Bosnia and Hercegovina, Macedonia and Montenegro are artificial countries. If we wnt the resolution of national question nd peace in the Balcand than this thre countries should be devided between Croatia, Serbia, Albania and Bulgaria. In a free referendum of the population of this countries that would the vresult and the creation of national-states will come to the and in the Balkans.
There is one argument I would like to quickly nip in the bud. The argument is:
1. Both Albanians and Serbs don't want to live with each other
2. So they must live separately
This is FALSE.
Serbs live under "Albanian" rule, the majority of Kosovan minority live peaceful in Kosovo. The same argument can be applied to the Albanians living in "Southern" Serbia who live peacefully under "Serbian" rule.
Maybe the argument should be altered to ETHNICITY X would PREFER not live under ETHNICITY Y's rule instead of making wishful claims.
Danilo, the Albanian birth rate factor will not be a problem for EU assimilation. The EU will impose a 1 or 2 child birthrate limit on the Albanians, which they will have to adhere to in order to join the EU. You know that that rule will come. Does any Albanian think that the EU will want an over-production of non-EU specific offspring overtaking their own, into the EU club? Think again, Albanians, before you give your souls away again, like you did during the Ottoman rule, the League of Prizren, WWII nazis, and lately the CIA and NATO. Have some manly balls this time, be brave, and reject others (world powers) to solve your lives. With that, maybe one day the world will respect Albanians, and not see them as, historic willing accomplices.
(PapaJohn, 5 February 2012 22:14)
PapaJohn I can see you are so well read, as you know in EU they have issue with population most countries do not have enough to keep growth so birth is never a issue. The way you think is more like you brothers in the East not European behavior.
Serbia has huge population issue we all know this most your villages in south are empty do Serbs in that region already getting Albanian wife's which means ( Albanian Mother only makes Children who will have same blood as the people you hate so much. A Montenegrin king once said Montenegrin woman can marry who ever they like but men only Montenegrin women as they will always teach love for Montenegro put this in your side of the fence :)
In 30 years your PM might just have his uncle from Albania and might just make you loose your mind but also mend the bridge between two nations and learn not to try eleminat each other but learn to look in similarities.
So for you the Albanians are a subject to be oppressed? What I can say, Albanian tries for one century to get the attitude of oppressed people, but as we see they were not able for that. The Albanian loves the freedom and not only the freedom for themselves but for all the peoples. The century of dictatorship 20th is gone. We are living in the century of freedom. Albanians prefer to much the freedom and fair competition. We are using this situation for prospering too fast. I see that you Serbs are a little confused, cause your attitude from the 20th century is to prosper oppressing, using and ruling the others and not as for fair competition. Change your attitude, because time has changed.
(dori tirana, 6 February 2012 09:10)
If your attitude has changed so much and you all so highly value peace and freedom why is it that you attempt to snatch land from the Serbians and continue to create problems for us? What did you expect Serbia to do when you tried to declare part of its territory independent? What's wrong with Albania? Why don't we make a fair trade and we'll take half of Albania as compensation?
"What???? "If Serbs want new territories in the balkans"???? Who started nationalist motivied, bloody, terrorist war for new territories in Kosovo in 90' - Serbs or Albanians??..."....
So - Serbia only defend this territorry against aggresive, nationalistic albanian minority, who don't wan't to live in one multiethnic state - but want to steal serbian land for create cleaned, nationalistic pseudostate."
(Niklot, Poland, 5 February 2012 17:23
You have no idea what are you talking about.
It was Serbia who started everything in Kosovo.
They kicked out Albanians from thhe institutions, from schools, from their working places and than kicking out Albanians from Kosovo. In the train, in the buss and direction Macedonia and/or Albania with hope they will further move to anywhere else and they will never ever be back.
I live in Kosovo and I was here during this time (1970 - 1999). And I am here still and this is where I will always be...
If you comment, than try to understand more about the issues where you are commenting.
hey PERRY YOU THINK SERBS LIVING BETER THAN ALBANIANS I DONT THINK SO SERBIA GOING DOWN TO THE HELL.... vorry about serbia and not to vorry about albania albania and kosovo is one country........
A very reasonable solution, to include talking about the Serb Republic. The way most of the Balkans was redrawn had more to do with creating economic viability more than hurting or helping one person against another. The EU and US are great believers in multiculturalism and it was decided that enforced minority populations could be easily made to live together in harmony, not because it happens very often, but out of dogma. Since the Multicult isn't succeeding in the EU or the US it was always a bit mad, but never discount philosophical leanings of any group when making bad decisions. Nationalists, minorities, and EU bureaucrats are not immune from letting their own beliefs cause them to discount reality. It will never be perfect, but it certainly could have been done much more reasonably than it was. Let the EU support Bosnia and various Albanian entities and let Serbs as they would choose.
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