U.S., Serbia “should find common stand on Kosovo”

Ivica will soon be out of office, and when the new government is in power, we can invite our TRADITIONAL ALLY to build a base in Serbia. The traditional ally I am referring to is Russia.
(Budimir, 2 February 2012 12:24)

Dont you have any shame Budimir? Serbian trolls regularly troll the comment boards suggesting that Albanians "masters" the Americans protect the Albanians and that its not "noble" that the Albanians have the USA as their trusted allies.

Here you are wishing now that Russia would build an ENTIRE MILITARY BASE on SERBIAN SOIL for "protection"!!! I thought Serbia is strong on their own and they have more "honor" than to ask their allies for help in a time of need? Here we have Budimir saying that its ok when Serbia obviously needs help, but its not honorable when the Albanians have allies that back them up. Pathetic. Its only ok when Serbia needs it apparently. Anyway, long story short....Russia's not giving you ANYTHING! hahaha! Time to find new friends Serbia, that's if you even have any.

Hi trizo

As I said, you haven't grasped the reasoning. I didn't say whether it was right or wrong.

Further, our relationship within Europe is about citizens uniting for peace and prosperity.

It is not about nationalistic bigotries trying to justify the murderers that used to rule in years gone by.

The whole Balkan war was boring. It was sad. It was pathetic. The future has nothing to do with that.

The point is that Serbs are part of the peoples of the vicinity. They will not be moving to China or Russia.

US has recognized Kosovo long time ago. What is Ivica Dacic talking about?

However, in this day and age UN membership is the ultimate proof of statehood,

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According to whom? let's see, Kosovar citizens can get work permits in the EU, US & Japan as well as South Korea as Kosovar citizens. They can travel to these countries with their Kosovar passports. They can enrol in their Universities with Kosovar documents. All of this they can do. As for soveragnity, well, if Serbia is the ruler of Kosovo, which Serbian law do I have to follow, being a Kosovar citizen? i do not pay tax to Serbia's gov., I do not vote in their elections, I do not hold ANY of their state issued documents...in short, I am in possession of illegal papers, according to Serbia's constitution, yet their police can't arrest me. Being a UN member is symbolic, sure, it asserts a certain level equality I agree, it is not a prerogative to being a state however.

Dear Serbs, you need to not believe everything that eminates from the mouthes of the soon to be defunct Serbian politicians. Ivica will soon be out of office, and when the new government is in power, we can invite our TRADITIONAL ALLY to build a base in Serbia. The traditional ally I am referring to is Russia. The Western controlled rulers of Serbia are desperate, paranoid and will use all tools at thier disposal to cling to power.

America is on the verge of a new round of wars in the middle east, in Iran and Syria. These will be a set of conflicts that will break the back of the Empire. And as the empire of the West declines, the traitors amongst the Serbs go down in its wake. Enjoy!
(Budimir, 2 February 2012 12:24)
Do you not think that should Russia really want a base in Serbia they would have done so before now? Also just because there is a base there, it may help in the event someone wants to invade Serbia but will not help should Serbia want to invade others. Russia is no more eager for a third World War brought on by some third rate country than NATO is.

Jim, how does 1244 prevent Kosova from becoming a UN member?

US has already got a stance, time for Serbia to join in. its lost, get over it

Common stand on what? U.S recognized Kosovo and Serbia doesn't recognize Kosovo. Ivica one or two month ago you said that serbia could go to war over kosovo, now you want common stand. You are a funny man ivica

What is this nonsense about Serbia being closer to Russia. No it was not. Yugoslavia had Tito in charge, and Tito realised that Stalin would have taken total control and done to Yugoslavia what he did to the other Eastern European countries. And that was not fun.

Tito also borrowed money from the US to help fund Yugoslav independence from Russia - and that worked. Yugoslavia had an identity which was self-standing. It also commanded a lot more respect than Serbia has now.

The truth is that Yugoslavia was traditionally independent and non-aligned.

Those who think that Russia is the answer are missing the point. And those that are anti NATO have not grasped the reasoning and the terrors that invited that intervention.

Serbia's natural place is in its own location - that is, in the Balkans on the road from Greece to Hungary, boarding Romania and Bulgaria - all countries where the citizens (never mind the politicians) all have common cause for a peaceful and prosperous unity.

Serbia's natural place is alongside the other citizens of Europe - not sitting in the middle of the Atlantic or in the middle of Xiangyang or the in the middle of Vilyuysk.

And one more comment on that great bastion of freedom and democracy known as America, that land of milk and honey where Ivica is headed in order to beg for scraps at the foot of the table. George Soros recently was correct in a few observations he made about the social and politicol situation in the United States. The protests in the States and the discontent there is bound to turn violent and spread. America is a doomed nation and almost all honest people who live in the states know this. It will take decades, but eventually this country will be so disoriented and fragmented that it will no longer be able to project power on the world stage. Like the liberal politicians in Serbia, america is desperate and paranoid. This paranoia makes it dangerous in the short term, but it will, in the years to come, lead to its end as a viable world hegemon.

Outside of Western Europe and the United Staes and the Balkan quasi states, there is a vast and expanding world of new powers and fresh alliances forming even as I write this-all these powers and nations share a common belief. You see, the people of this planet-in africa, asia, the middle east, a parts of europe, all of latin America know what the true nature of the West is. The question remains is, why does a small, soon to be irrelevent minority of politicol hacks in Serbia cling to the delusion that america holds all the answers to all the questions,that america is the alpha and the omega.
Already the United States has it own Mikhael Gorbachav in the form of ron paul-and like the soviet empire or the british empire- the sun is setting slowly for the American Empire. And the EU-German Empire, it was still born.

Serbs should not be frustrated or depressed or dellusioned. In the end Serbia will win as long as it remains outside of the fold of that decaying american THING. And as for the American vassal states in the Balkans there is a simple truth, where america gos you shall follow. America is going in one direction and that is down.

traditional ally?What common between US and serbia?The bomb of NATO?!What a traitor, where is his momory of our history!

I steadfastly agree with those Serb patriots who are justly critical of America's past behavior. But please note the meeting with Burton and the attendance at the " Prayer Breakfast". These are not insignificant. There is a consensus now that there can be no more wars on behalf of Balkan Moslems. That means no American war to eliminate the RS and Bosnia's Serbs as Sarajevo's genocidal leaders wish. So once again to all of you Serb-haters: accept the RS and make peace on at least this one clear issue.

And those that are anti NATO have not grasped the reasoning and the terrors that invited that intervention.
(Bob, 2 February 2012 14:12)

No, you are absolutely and utterly incorrect.

Reasoning? To act without UN approval??

Yes there were terrors, namely the KLA which was marked a terror-IST organisation by America until they decided to magically take the KLA from this list and ask them to join their fight against Serbia.

They achieved a lot by bombing Serbia.
They killed over 500 innocent civilians and also innocent Chinese at the Chinese embassy.
They destroyed Serbias national library with so much rich historical and cultural information & artifacts.
They were able to build Camp Bondsteel, largest US military facility outside of the US.

@ bob

Thanks for the anti-Serb lectures bob, any more for today?

Mr. Dacic! I think you are mistaken. Serbia and USA are not traditional allies.

actually Serbia is more closer to Russia and China

Please read more history books. The US will never be a reliable partner and ally of Serbia.

Glenn, it might be helpful if you at least had the first clue what you are speaking about when you contribute. This has been dealt with elsewhere. Resolution 1244 is a Chapter VII resolution. It is binding on member states. Even the US does not argue that you can pick and choose when to accept UN resolutions, and accepts that 1244 remains in force. Until it is rescinded, Kosovo claim to full statehood remains just that - a claim. Certainy, countries can choose to recognise it if they wish. That is indeed their sovereign prerogative. However, in this day and age UN membership is the ultimate proof of statehood, and Kosovo (which has openly stated its hope of eventually joining) is not going to be accepted as a real state until it does become a member. Therefore, 1244 is certainly not just some petty irrelevance.
(Jim, 2 February 2012 22:05)

Jim, I think you would be hard pressed to find anywhere in my comments that I said that 1244 was no longer valid, or for that matter "some petty irrelevance." In fact, in a comment several days ago, I said that 1244 will be in force until it is removed by the UNSC.

My point was that sovereign countries can meet with whomever they choose, and they can call them whichever name they choose. For example, if Macedonia and Albania want to have a meeting from someone from the Kosovo government, they do not need anyone's permission, nor does anyone tell them what they may or may not put on a nameplate, nor for that matter, do they even need nameplates!

Among many other things, 1244 did provide a means for Kosovo's being able to be represented internationally, which in regional meetings is of course only necessary because Serbia tries to prevent Kosovo from being represented anywhere. 1244 is binding on all UN member countries, including Serbia, therefore Serbia must allow Kosovo to be represented at any meeting under UNMIK. This is just another example of 1244 being intended to protect Kosovo Albanians from Serbia, which is completely opposite of Serbia's portrayal of it. You would think from what people say that Serbia was the one that wrote the resolution, rather than signing it at gunpoint (figuratively).

As I said earlier, 1244 will remain in force until the UN removes it, which will not happen until Serbia no longer poses a threat to Kosovo.

"Reasoning? To act without UN approval?? "

Really? I didn't know that the whole world bowed down to the UN. The UN is a body made up of sovereign countries. Countries do not give up their sovereignty to join the UN.

In fact, that is the heart of the issue right now with representation for Kosovo. Serbia believes that because UN resolution 1244 provides a path for participation in international events under the UNMIK name, that Kosovo must in fact be represented in that way at all events. They forget that regional meetings consist of sovereign countries, most of whom recognize Kosovo as a sovereign country. Countries or groups of countries can put whatever they want on the nameplate. The resolution simply provides a path for Kosovo to be represented when it is not possible otherwise, at the UN for example, since Kosovo is not yet a member, and only members are allowed to speak.

traditional allies since 1999, ha.

The US is no ally of Serbia. It never will be.

Good to know that the country's money is being wisely spent on sending Communists to Prayer breakfasts.

I suppose Ivica doesn't do irony

"The whole Balkan war was boring". - Bob
Well, Mr. Bob, what can one say about your silly comment. Hundreds of innocent lives were lost, on every side of the ethnic wars in the Balkans, and you call that boring. Good thing the Super Bowl is coming up this weekend, at least you will have something exciting happening in your life. I, on the other hand, think the Balkan wars were a humanitarian shame. A shame on all the people that instigated them - that includes the USA, Germany, England, and all the other willing strap hangers. It was easy to put blame on Slobodan Milosevic for all the evil that occurred, but anyone with half a brain, knows different. The former Yugoslavia was an entity that the USA and Europe had to break up. It stood in their way of "Globalization". Was there ever a concern for human lives, no. Was there ever a concern for human lives when the USA and crew bombed the hell out of Iraq chasing weapons of mass destruction? No. Human lives mean little for empire builders. For all of you out there that think that you are allies of Empire, think again. You can become very expendable in a heartbeat. Just ask the Iraqi citizens.

Dear Serbs, you need to not believe everything that eminates from the mouthes of the soon to be defunct Serbian politicians. Ivica will soon be out of office, and when the new government is in power, we can invite our TRADITIONAL ALLY to build a base in Serbia. The traditional ally I am referring to is Russia. The Western controlled rulers of Serbia are desperate, paranoid and will use all tools at thier disposal to cling to power.

America is on the verge of a new round of wars in the middle east, in Iran and Syria. These will be a set of conflicts that will break the back of the Empire. And as the empire of the West declines, the traitors amongst the Serbs go down in its wake. Enjoy!

We all know that after the last Election that there was going to be a Coalition Government of DSS, SRS, and SPS, but that America managed to get a European Union Puppet Government.

This was against the wishes of the Voters, because the SPS made certain promises during the Election Campaign, but I guess some Politicians view some promises that they make during an Election Campaign as some promises are made to be broken.

On May 15 2008, B92 said: “America expects the new Serbian government to be clearly oriented towards a European future, says American Ambassador Cameron Munter.”

American Ambassador Cameron Munter said that the SPS could contribute to good relations with Europe, and the continuation of Euro-Atlantic integration, and we all know that the DS wants Serbia to join NATO.

Munter falsely claimed that the main issue during the elections had been Europe and the Country’s European future, and we all know that this is just a Euphemism for an Independent Kosovo.

We know that it was only the Integrity of the SPS that saved Vojvodina from becoming a State within a State ready for Independence from Tadic and his fellow Traitors.

If Autonomy for Vojvodina constitutes Independence for Vojvodina, then, what would the More than Autonomy promised to Kosovo by be, except Independence?

We know that the SPS started off Patriotic, but because of the bad association of DS for four years, we the corrosion of Proper Principles, because the SPS has said that they could form a Coalition Government with the LDP and the DS who are the natural Allies, who take their orders from Germany and America.

Hi papajohn

Which half did you retain?

What other words would you prefer other than boring? Maybe, revolting, disgusting, selfish, moronic, criminal, inconsiderate. Or perhaps you want to pretend it was gentle, loving and smelling of roses?

I love the way in which a home-grown war is blamed on the west. Can Balkan nationalists not take responsibility for their own decisions to go and kill each other? Why did everyone not have so much brotherhood and unity that the west would not be able separate the loving and caring neighbours from their fond embraces?

Milosevic was a dangerous fool. But in your thinking it is always someone else that you want to insult.

The nasty nationism is not what most people want. Fortunately Bigotted nationalists are not the legitimated voice of Serbia, and a better future awaits.

Doesn't this idiot Dacic realize that the USA does not view Serbia as an ally, otherwise, why would they bomb Serbia for 78 days and nights. The CIA keeps files on all of Milosevic's former lackies, the biggest being this flunky.

Ivica Dačić is delusional and the sooner the Serbs get rid of this political hack the better.

“Traditional Ally” what in God’s name is this man smoking? After the American Congress awarded Gen. Mihailovich with the Legion of Merit Award in 1942 for saving the lives of 513 American pilots downed over occupied Yugoslavia, the single largest rescue of American troops from behind enemy lines in our nation's history. Our State Department began the process of betraying that Serbian general and the Serbian people by withholding the public announcement of that award from the American people for 22 years. Pretending that the U.S. was ever allied with Serbia is a joke.

In his biography, Sir Fitzroy Maclean, an aid to Winston Churchill said to Churchill: “If we do not support Gen. Mihailovich and his forces this country will become communist.” Churchill replied… “Are you planning to live in the Balkans after the war?” When Maclean responded “NO,” Churchill replied… “Nor am I.”

What Ivica Dačić fails to grasp is that the United States and Great Britain both sold out their Serbian Allies to 50 years of communism. They could care less that the Serbs were the only ethnic group in Yugoslavia that did not side with Hitler and his Nazis. The U.S. did everything in its power to help the Vatican including turning a blind eye to the fact that 740 Roman Catholic priests destroyed over 400 Serbian churches, murdered 430 Serbian priests and liquidated over a million Serbs, 60,000 Jews and 80,000 Roma.

And just like today, these hypocrites in the U.S. government still think like Churchill… they don’t have to live in the countries they create, but like those same politicians in WWI and WWII they insist on telling Serbs how they must live.

The U.S. sided with the Vatican knowing full well that the Vatican “ratline” helped 34,000 Croatian war criminals escape for Argentina, and for the past 60 years refused to lift a finger to bring any of these war criminals to justice. With “Allies” like this, Serbs did not need more enemies.

Clause Barbe was among those who escaped Yugoslavia along with Ante Pavelich, “the butcher of the Balkans,” who became the security advisor to Juan Peron who issued 34,000 visas to Croat war criminals, including 740 Roman Catholic priests who personally murdered Serbs, Jews and Gypsies with their own hands. The U.S. then supported Tito to the tune of $30 billion dollars in foreign aid, most of which went into his pockets. When the war started in 1991 former Yugoslavia was $36 billion dollars in foreign debt.

Ivica Dačić seems to suffer from insulting amnesia in these current Civil Wars when the United States betrayed their so called former Serbian “Ally” by aiding and abetting the Croats and Muslims, secretly arming them, and sending a dozen retired American Generals to Croatia to train their troops and to help them orchestrate Operation Storm in August, 1995 in which 250,000 Serbs were forced from Croatia (the single largest ethnic cleansing of these wars). Holbrooke and Albright looked the other way as thousands of terrorists from Osama bin Laden’s training camps in Afghanistan were brought into Bosnia where they decapitated hundreds of Serbian victims and roasted Serbian soldiers on spits like animals. If Ivica Dačić would like to see my collection of disgusting photographs to prove this charge I would gladly provide them, along with the names of the Serbian victims.

It is bad enough that Serbia continues to be betrayed by her so called former friends and allies, but it is another thing to be betrayed by people of Dacic’s ilk who seems he would sell his mother’s sole for a pat on the head from his American sponsors. He screws his own nation for 30 pieces of silver.

Praying with political morons and hypocrites at the White House this week does not make him the least bit religious… it makes he what he is, a Serbian Judas.

@Nikolle

Kosovo is by far no Sovereign State, lets be real. If you have to go into negotiations with Serbia and find a solution to how you should represented in regional meetings, then what kind of sovereign state are you? Your being forced to take out the word "Republic" and put a footnote that at the very least will say "with no prejudice to status". That puts you very far aside from a normal sovereign state becasue no other sovereign state has these issues. Also on the topic of "Kosovo" joing the UN, dont count on it during your lifetime. Not gonna happen and you know it deep down. I would also like to say that being a UN member is one of the key prerogatives for being a state. What Fully recognized independent sovereign state can you name that is not a UN member (Please dont say Western Sahara or Abkhazia because youll look foolish). I would also like to point out that Serbia does have quite a bit of sovereignty in Kosovo. Serbia's Laws, Health Institutions, Legal Institutions, and Educational Institutions are fully present in all the Serb Enclaves both North and South of the Ibar. Also I would like to point out that when the 200,000 Serbian Refugees move back to their homes in Kosovo, Serbia's influence will be spread much more throughout the province. So I dont really see how you can say Serbia has no sovereignty in Kosovo when in reality it runs the Serbian Enclaves (Northern Kosovo, Gracanica, Strpce, Novo BRdo, Ranilug, Partes, Klokot, Gorazdevac, and Velkika HOca) as integral parts of Serbia. Please explain to me how Serbia has no sovereignty in Kosovo when everyone knows that Serbia's State organs and insitutions are fully functioning in these areas!

Jim

Where did I say the UN doesn't mater? i said UN membership is not the ultimate proof of statehood and I stand by it. Without UN membership, Kosova has already become a member of the IMF. Of course we'd like to join the UN, that's very obvious, but out existence as a state is not conditioned on that membership no matter what you believe

Glenn, it might be helpful if you at least had the first clue what you are speaking about when you contribute. This has been dealt with elsewhere. Resolution 1244 is a Chapter VII resolution. It is binding on member states. Even the US does not argue that you can pick and choose when to accept UN resolutions, and accepts that 1244 remains in force. Until it is rescinded, Kosovo claim to full statehood remains just that - a claim. Certainy, countries can choose to recognise it if they wish. That is indeed their sovereign prerogative. However, in this day and age UN membership is the ultimate proof of statehood, and Kosovo (which has openly stated its hope of eventually joining) is not going to be accepted as a real state until it does become a member. Therefore, 1244 is certainly not just some petty irrelevance.

(Jim, 2 February 2012 22:05)
I agree with some of what you say. Full statehood will be finalized with UN membership, however, that does not mean that a state cannot exist without UN membership, nor does it affect the independence of Kosovo. Independence means independence of Serbia, just like the independence of the US is from Britain.
Now the question is is there enough countries that recognize Kosovo to make its statehood functional, the answer to that is yes. There are organizations out there that Kosovo cannot join because of Serbia's contesting of indepependence but while they are goals do any of them block the ability of Kosovo to function as a state? No.
No where does it say in 1244 that it must be repealed prior to status being determined. Of course the inference and I think original goal was that once status was determined then the resolution would no longer be needed and at that point would be repealed.
But in this contested state with Serbia 1244 is the Godsend that the Albanians do not realize or appreciate. It prevents Serbia from acting on any claim over its sovereignty. The only thing Serbia can do is to try to prevent recognitions from occuring.
It can control interstate traffic going through Serbia but not any other path. It cannot seize assets, it cannot militarily move in and control any aspect of Kosovo life. It has no jurisdiction over the land, people, or assets of Kosovo due to 1244.
1244 is not petty and Kosovo should not in any way attempt to have it removed or deny its existence until time for UN membership to come for a vote. It guarantees that the UN must prohibit Serbia from interferring with the functioning of Kosovo whether as a protectorate or state.
I think that Kosovo should proudly sit behind a placard saying Kosovo under protection from Serbia by UNSC 1244.

Dacic, have a salad once in a while. You are an embarrassment, as a representative of Serbia at foreign gatherings. You are the poster boy for "the fat cats of government". I cannot think of one thing that you have accomplished for the good of Serbia - yet you still cling onto power at all cost. Maybe the thought of actually working for a living, and not skimming off of hard working Serbs, is what gives you the drive to cling to positions of authority. You certainly have the chin for it. I don't like you.

According to whom? let's see, Kosovar citizens can get work permits in the EU, US & Japan as well as South Korea as Kosovar citizens. They can travel to these countries with their Kosovar passports. They can enrol in their Universities with Kosovar documents. All of this they can do. As for soveragnity, well, if Serbia is the ruler of Kosovo, which Serbian law do I have to follow, being a Kosovar citizen? i do not pay tax to Serbia's gov., I do not vote in their elections, I do not hold ANY of their state issued documents...in short, I am in possession of illegal papers, according to Serbia's constitution, yet their police can't arrest me. Being a UN member is symbolic, sure, it asserts a certain level equality I agree, it is not a prerogative to being a state however.
(Nikolle, 2 February 2012 23:15)


If this was done in america you my friend would be under arrest immedietely. Only in the wild wild kosovo filled with criminals you can do this. But it wont be very long a decade or less i would say before you either pay tax to belgrade, or cease to live there. American cities and regions occupied by more that 95% hispanics still pay taxes without question, cause if they dont they go bye bye back to mexico or where ever. So it wont be long till your freeloading days are over. until then you can remain as ignorrant as your comments

Also just because there is a base there, it may help in the event someone wants to invade Serbia but will not help should Serbia want to invade others.
(pss, 2 February 2012 12:40)

Since Kosovo is disputed territory if Serbia tries to take Kosovo (or part of it) some will see it as "Serbia invading others", while some will see it as Serbia protecting its own territory.

Military base could protect Serbia in case of bombing.

"If this was done in america you my friend would be under arrest immedietely. Only in the wild wild kosovo filled with criminals you can do this. But it wont be very long a decade or less i would say before you either pay tax to belgrade, or cease to live there. American cities and regions occupied by more that 95% hispanics still pay taxes without question, cause if they dont they go bye bye back to mexico or where ever. So it wont be long till your freeloading days are over. until then you can remain as ignorrant as your comments"

Nothing else left to say accept issue empty threats eh Ivan?

Yo USA Why are you Americans interfering, in the whole world like it is your own backyard? You should protect the south-West from those Mexicans! Before you know the south-West can become a Kosovo 2.0 and I am curious how you will react (Americans) to that? White non Hispanics are already a minority in California...

Hi trizo

As I said, you haven't grasped the reasoning. I didn't say whether it was right or wrong.

Further, our relationship within Europe is about citizens uniting for peace and prosperity.

(Bob, 2 February 2012 17:19)

Hi Bob,

What makes you think that I haven't grasped the reasoning? Would you care to elaborate on why your understanding of the NATO "intervention" is better than mine or other Serbians who you initially directed your comments?

Did you have a spiritual awakening or a vision of God that told you the reason behind it?

I'm pretty sure that I have been exposed to the same media that you have: West, East, North, South, Serbian media, American media. So please tell me why you apparently 'know' that I haven't grasped the reasoning.

You seem so quick to make a judgement with so little facts, which just serves to weaken anything you say.

Thanks for your little spiel, but no thanks.

I, along with all of my family in Serbia, since 1999, have gathered enough facts & evidence to form our opinions on NATO's so called "intervention" not to mention 3 of my cousins who were serving in Vojska Srbije at the time of the NATO bombing campaign.

It says a lot about an organisation or a country that acts unilaterally without the consent from the United Nations.

I wonder if collectively NATO has killed more human life than they have saved? It's an interesting question.

Glenn - you stated the following: 'Really? I didn't know that the whole world bowed down to the UN. The UN is a body made up of sovereign countries. Countries do not give up their sovereignty to join the UN.'

I corrected you! chapter VII resolutions are binding. So, yes, legally, on certain occasions, states do have to bow down to the UN.

Nikolle, you can pretend that the UN doesn't matter, but we all know that it does. It has become the ultimate symbol of statehood. Again, Pristina has stressed that it's ultimate goal is UN membership. Their words, not mine.

"It is necessary for Serbia and the U.S., as traditional allies"

That's a sick joke. Serbia and the U.S. are traditional bombee and bomber relationship. Even in WWII the U.S. acted as Communist Tito's airforce and was directly hitting Serbian civilian homes, apartments and churches as directed by him and to soften up the towns/cities for his takeover.

U.S. is not Serbia's friend. Look at actions over empty words and propaganda movies the U.S. has a tradition of making to make itself look like heroes all the time when it was even built on the ethnic cleansing, theft and genocide of Native Americans.

And those that are anti NATO have not grasped the reasoning and the terrors that invited that intervention.
(Bob, 2 February 2012 14:12)

No, you are absolutely and utterly incorrect.

Reasoning? To act without UN approval??

Yes there were terrors, namely the KLA which was marked a terror-IST organisation by America until they decided to magically take the KLA from this list and ask them to join their fight against Serbia.

They achieved a lot by bombing Serbia.
They killed over 500 innocent civilians and also innocent Chinese at the Chinese embassy.
They destroyed Serbias national library with so much rich historical and cultural information & artifacts.
They were able to build Camp Bondsteel, largest US military facility outside of the US.

"The whole Balkan war was boring". - Bob
Well, Mr. Bob, what can one say about your silly comment. Hundreds of innocent lives were lost, on every side of the ethnic wars in the Balkans, and you call that boring. Good thing the Super Bowl is coming up this weekend, at least you will have something exciting happening in your life. I, on the other hand, think the Balkan wars were a humanitarian shame. A shame on all the people that instigated them - that includes the USA, Germany, England, and all the other willing strap hangers. It was easy to put blame on Slobodan Milosevic for all the evil that occurred, but anyone with half a brain, knows different. The former Yugoslavia was an entity that the USA and Europe had to break up. It stood in their way of "Globalization". Was there ever a concern for human lives, no. Was there ever a concern for human lives when the USA and crew bombed the hell out of Iraq chasing weapons of mass destruction? No. Human lives mean little for empire builders. For all of you out there that think that you are allies of Empire, think again. You can become very expendable in a heartbeat. Just ask the Iraqi citizens.

@ bob

Thanks for the anti-Serb lectures bob, any more for today?

Glenn, it might be helpful if you at least had the first clue what you are speaking about when you contribute. This has been dealt with elsewhere. Resolution 1244 is a Chapter VII resolution. It is binding on member states. Even the US does not argue that you can pick and choose when to accept UN resolutions, and accepts that 1244 remains in force. Until it is rescinded, Kosovo claim to full statehood remains just that - a claim. Certainy, countries can choose to recognise it if they wish. That is indeed their sovereign prerogative. However, in this day and age UN membership is the ultimate proof of statehood, and Kosovo (which has openly stated its hope of eventually joining) is not going to be accepted as a real state until it does become a member. Therefore, 1244 is certainly not just some petty irrelevance.

Dear Serbs, you need to not believe everything that eminates from the mouthes of the soon to be defunct Serbian politicians. Ivica will soon be out of office, and when the new government is in power, we can invite our TRADITIONAL ALLY to build a base in Serbia. The traditional ally I am referring to is Russia. The Western controlled rulers of Serbia are desperate, paranoid and will use all tools at thier disposal to cling to power.

America is on the verge of a new round of wars in the middle east, in Iran and Syria. These will be a set of conflicts that will break the back of the Empire. And as the empire of the West declines, the traitors amongst the Serbs go down in its wake. Enjoy!

And one more comment on that great bastion of freedom and democracy known as America, that land of milk and honey where Ivica is headed in order to beg for scraps at the foot of the table. George Soros recently was correct in a few observations he made about the social and politicol situation in the United States. The protests in the States and the discontent there is bound to turn violent and spread. America is a doomed nation and almost all honest people who live in the states know this. It will take decades, but eventually this country will be so disoriented and fragmented that it will no longer be able to project power on the world stage. Like the liberal politicians in Serbia, america is desperate and paranoid. This paranoia makes it dangerous in the short term, but it will, in the years to come, lead to its end as a viable world hegemon.

Outside of Western Europe and the United Staes and the Balkan quasi states, there is a vast and expanding world of new powers and fresh alliances forming even as I write this-all these powers and nations share a common belief. You see, the people of this planet-in africa, asia, the middle east, a parts of europe, all of latin America know what the true nature of the West is. The question remains is, why does a small, soon to be irrelevent minority of politicol hacks in Serbia cling to the delusion that america holds all the answers to all the questions,that america is the alpha and the omega.
Already the United States has it own Mikhael Gorbachav in the form of ron paul-and like the soviet empire or the british empire- the sun is setting slowly for the American Empire. And the EU-German Empire, it was still born.

Serbs should not be frustrated or depressed or dellusioned. In the end Serbia will win as long as it remains outside of the fold of that decaying american THING. And as for the American vassal states in the Balkans there is a simple truth, where america gos you shall follow. America is going in one direction and that is down.

I steadfastly agree with those Serb patriots who are justly critical of America's past behavior. But please note the meeting with Burton and the attendance at the " Prayer Breakfast". These are not insignificant. There is a consensus now that there can be no more wars on behalf of Balkan Moslems. That means no American war to eliminate the RS and Bosnia's Serbs as Sarajevo's genocidal leaders wish. So once again to all of you Serb-haters: accept the RS and make peace on at least this one clear issue.

Ivica will soon be out of office, and when the new government is in power, we can invite our TRADITIONAL ALLY to build a base in Serbia. The traditional ally I am referring to is Russia.
(Budimir, 2 February 2012 12:24)

Dont you have any shame Budimir? Serbian trolls regularly troll the comment boards suggesting that Albanians "masters" the Americans protect the Albanians and that its not "noble" that the Albanians have the USA as their trusted allies.

Here you are wishing now that Russia would build an ENTIRE MILITARY BASE on SERBIAN SOIL for "protection"!!! I thought Serbia is strong on their own and they have more "honor" than to ask their allies for help in a time of need? Here we have Budimir saying that its ok when Serbia obviously needs help, but its not honorable when the Albanians have allies that back them up. Pathetic. Its only ok when Serbia needs it apparently. Anyway, long story short....Russia's not giving you ANYTHING! hahaha! Time to find new friends Serbia, that's if you even have any.

We all know that after the last Election that there was going to be a Coalition Government of DSS, SRS, and SPS, but that America managed to get a European Union Puppet Government.

This was against the wishes of the Voters, because the SPS made certain promises during the Election Campaign, but I guess some Politicians view some promises that they make during an Election Campaign as some promises are made to be broken.

On May 15 2008, B92 said: “America expects the new Serbian government to be clearly oriented towards a European future, says American Ambassador Cameron Munter.”

American Ambassador Cameron Munter said that the SPS could contribute to good relations with Europe, and the continuation of Euro-Atlantic integration, and we all know that the DS wants Serbia to join NATO.

Munter falsely claimed that the main issue during the elections had been Europe and the Country’s European future, and we all know that this is just a Euphemism for an Independent Kosovo.

We know that it was only the Integrity of the SPS that saved Vojvodina from becoming a State within a State ready for Independence from Tadic and his fellow Traitors.

If Autonomy for Vojvodina constitutes Independence for Vojvodina, then, what would the More than Autonomy promised to Kosovo by be, except Independence?

We know that the SPS started off Patriotic, but because of the bad association of DS for four years, we the corrosion of Proper Principles, because the SPS has said that they could form a Coalition Government with the LDP and the DS who are the natural Allies, who take their orders from Germany and America.

traditional allies since 1999, ha.

The US is no ally of Serbia. It never will be.

What is this nonsense about Serbia being closer to Russia. No it was not. Yugoslavia had Tito in charge, and Tito realised that Stalin would have taken total control and done to Yugoslavia what he did to the other Eastern European countries. And that was not fun.

Tito also borrowed money from the US to help fund Yugoslav independence from Russia - and that worked. Yugoslavia had an identity which was self-standing. It also commanded a lot more respect than Serbia has now.

The truth is that Yugoslavia was traditionally independent and non-aligned.

Those who think that Russia is the answer are missing the point. And those that are anti NATO have not grasped the reasoning and the terrors that invited that intervention.

Serbia's natural place is in its own location - that is, in the Balkans on the road from Greece to Hungary, boarding Romania and Bulgaria - all countries where the citizens (never mind the politicians) all have common cause for a peaceful and prosperous unity.

Serbia's natural place is alongside the other citizens of Europe - not sitting in the middle of the Atlantic or in the middle of Xiangyang or the in the middle of Vilyuysk.

Mr. Dacic! I think you are mistaken. Serbia and USA are not traditional allies.

actually Serbia is more closer to Russia and China

Please read more history books. The US will never be a reliable partner and ally of Serbia.

traditional ally?What common between US and serbia?The bomb of NATO?!What a traitor, where is his momory of our history!

Hi trizo

As I said, you haven't grasped the reasoning. I didn't say whether it was right or wrong.

Further, our relationship within Europe is about citizens uniting for peace and prosperity.

It is not about nationalistic bigotries trying to justify the murderers that used to rule in years gone by.

The whole Balkan war was boring. It was sad. It was pathetic. The future has nothing to do with that.

The point is that Serbs are part of the peoples of the vicinity. They will not be moving to China or Russia.

US has recognized Kosovo long time ago. What is Ivica Dacic talking about?

US has already got a stance, time for Serbia to join in. its lost, get over it

However, in this day and age UN membership is the ultimate proof of statehood,

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According to whom? let's see, Kosovar citizens can get work permits in the EU, US & Japan as well as South Korea as Kosovar citizens. They can travel to these countries with their Kosovar passports. They can enrol in their Universities with Kosovar documents. All of this they can do. As for soveragnity, well, if Serbia is the ruler of Kosovo, which Serbian law do I have to follow, being a Kosovar citizen? i do not pay tax to Serbia's gov., I do not vote in their elections, I do not hold ANY of their state issued documents...in short, I am in possession of illegal papers, according to Serbia's constitution, yet their police can't arrest me. Being a UN member is symbolic, sure, it asserts a certain level equality I agree, it is not a prerogative to being a state however.

Jim, how does 1244 prevent Kosova from becoming a UN member?

Common stand on what? U.S recognized Kosovo and Serbia doesn't recognize Kosovo. Ivica one or two month ago you said that serbia could go to war over kosovo, now you want common stand. You are a funny man ivica

Good to know that the country's money is being wisely spent on sending Communists to Prayer breakfasts.

I suppose Ivica doesn't do irony

Dear Serbs, you need to not believe everything that eminates from the mouthes of the soon to be defunct Serbian politicians. Ivica will soon be out of office, and when the new government is in power, we can invite our TRADITIONAL ALLY to build a base in Serbia. The traditional ally I am referring to is Russia. The Western controlled rulers of Serbia are desperate, paranoid and will use all tools at thier disposal to cling to power.

America is on the verge of a new round of wars in the middle east, in Iran and Syria. These will be a set of conflicts that will break the back of the Empire. And as the empire of the West declines, the traitors amongst the Serbs go down in its wake. Enjoy!
(Budimir, 2 February 2012 12:24)
Do you not think that should Russia really want a base in Serbia they would have done so before now? Also just because there is a base there, it may help in the event someone wants to invade Serbia but will not help should Serbia want to invade others. Russia is no more eager for a third World War brought on by some third rate country than NATO is.

"Reasoning? To act without UN approval?? "

Really? I didn't know that the whole world bowed down to the UN. The UN is a body made up of sovereign countries. Countries do not give up their sovereignty to join the UN.

In fact, that is the heart of the issue right now with representation for Kosovo. Serbia believes that because UN resolution 1244 provides a path for participation in international events under the UNMIK name, that Kosovo must in fact be represented in that way at all events. They forget that regional meetings consist of sovereign countries, most of whom recognize Kosovo as a sovereign country. Countries or groups of countries can put whatever they want on the nameplate. The resolution simply provides a path for Kosovo to be represented when it is not possible otherwise, at the UN for example, since Kosovo is not yet a member, and only members are allowed to speak.

Ivica Dačić is delusional and the sooner the Serbs get rid of this political hack the better.

“Traditional Ally” what in God’s name is this man smoking? After the American Congress awarded Gen. Mihailovich with the Legion of Merit Award in 1942 for saving the lives of 513 American pilots downed over occupied Yugoslavia, the single largest rescue of American troops from behind enemy lines in our nation's history. Our State Department began the process of betraying that Serbian general and the Serbian people by withholding the public announcement of that award from the American people for 22 years. Pretending that the U.S. was ever allied with Serbia is a joke.

In his biography, Sir Fitzroy Maclean, an aid to Winston Churchill said to Churchill: “If we do not support Gen. Mihailovich and his forces this country will become communist.” Churchill replied… “Are you planning to live in the Balkans after the war?” When Maclean responded “NO,” Churchill replied… “Nor am I.”

What Ivica Dačić fails to grasp is that the United States and Great Britain both sold out their Serbian Allies to 50 years of communism. They could care less that the Serbs were the only ethnic group in Yugoslavia that did not side with Hitler and his Nazis. The U.S. did everything in its power to help the Vatican including turning a blind eye to the fact that 740 Roman Catholic priests destroyed over 400 Serbian churches, murdered 430 Serbian priests and liquidated over a million Serbs, 60,000 Jews and 80,000 Roma.

And just like today, these hypocrites in the U.S. government still think like Churchill… they don’t have to live in the countries they create, but like those same politicians in WWI and WWII they insist on telling Serbs how they must live.

The U.S. sided with the Vatican knowing full well that the Vatican “ratline” helped 34,000 Croatian war criminals escape for Argentina, and for the past 60 years refused to lift a finger to bring any of these war criminals to justice. With “Allies” like this, Serbs did not need more enemies.

Clause Barbe was among those who escaped Yugoslavia along with Ante Pavelich, “the butcher of the Balkans,” who became the security advisor to Juan Peron who issued 34,000 visas to Croat war criminals, including 740 Roman Catholic priests who personally murdered Serbs, Jews and Gypsies with their own hands. The U.S. then supported Tito to the tune of $30 billion dollars in foreign aid, most of which went into his pockets. When the war started in 1991 former Yugoslavia was $36 billion dollars in foreign debt.

Ivica Dačić seems to suffer from insulting amnesia in these current Civil Wars when the United States betrayed their so called former Serbian “Ally” by aiding and abetting the Croats and Muslims, secretly arming them, and sending a dozen retired American Generals to Croatia to train their troops and to help them orchestrate Operation Storm in August, 1995 in which 250,000 Serbs were forced from Croatia (the single largest ethnic cleansing of these wars). Holbrooke and Albright looked the other way as thousands of terrorists from Osama bin Laden’s training camps in Afghanistan were brought into Bosnia where they decapitated hundreds of Serbian victims and roasted Serbian soldiers on spits like animals. If Ivica Dačić would like to see my collection of disgusting photographs to prove this charge I would gladly provide them, along with the names of the Serbian victims.

It is bad enough that Serbia continues to be betrayed by her so called former friends and allies, but it is another thing to be betrayed by people of Dacic’s ilk who seems he would sell his mother’s sole for a pat on the head from his American sponsors. He screws his own nation for 30 pieces of silver.

Praying with political morons and hypocrites at the White House this week does not make him the least bit religious… it makes he what he is, a Serbian Judas.

Yo USA Why are you Americans interfering, in the whole world like it is your own backyard? You should protect the south-West from those Mexicans! Before you know the south-West can become a Kosovo 2.0 and I am curious how you will react (Americans) to that? White non Hispanics are already a minority in California...

According to whom? let's see, Kosovar citizens can get work permits in the EU, US & Japan as well as South Korea as Kosovar citizens. They can travel to these countries with their Kosovar passports. They can enrol in their Universities with Kosovar documents. All of this they can do. As for soveragnity, well, if Serbia is the ruler of Kosovo, which Serbian law do I have to follow, being a Kosovar citizen? i do not pay tax to Serbia's gov., I do not vote in their elections, I do not hold ANY of their state issued documents...in short, I am in possession of illegal papers, according to Serbia's constitution, yet their police can't arrest me. Being a UN member is symbolic, sure, it asserts a certain level equality I agree, it is not a prerogative to being a state however.
(Nikolle, 2 February 2012 23:15)


If this was done in america you my friend would be under arrest immedietely. Only in the wild wild kosovo filled with criminals you can do this. But it wont be very long a decade or less i would say before you either pay tax to belgrade, or cease to live there. American cities and regions occupied by more that 95% hispanics still pay taxes without question, cause if they dont they go bye bye back to mexico or where ever. So it wont be long till your freeloading days are over. until then you can remain as ignorrant as your comments

Hi trizo

As I said, you haven't grasped the reasoning. I didn't say whether it was right or wrong.

Further, our relationship within Europe is about citizens uniting for peace and prosperity.

(Bob, 2 February 2012 17:19)

Hi Bob,

What makes you think that I haven't grasped the reasoning? Would you care to elaborate on why your understanding of the NATO "intervention" is better than mine or other Serbians who you initially directed your comments?

Did you have a spiritual awakening or a vision of God that told you the reason behind it?

I'm pretty sure that I have been exposed to the same media that you have: West, East, North, South, Serbian media, American media. So please tell me why you apparently 'know' that I haven't grasped the reasoning.

You seem so quick to make a judgement with so little facts, which just serves to weaken anything you say.

Thanks for your little spiel, but no thanks.

I, along with all of my family in Serbia, since 1999, have gathered enough facts & evidence to form our opinions on NATO's so called "intervention" not to mention 3 of my cousins who were serving in Vojska Srbije at the time of the NATO bombing campaign.

It says a lot about an organisation or a country that acts unilaterally without the consent from the United Nations.

I wonder if collectively NATO has killed more human life than they have saved? It's an interesting question.

Jim

Where did I say the UN doesn't mater? i said UN membership is not the ultimate proof of statehood and I stand by it. Without UN membership, Kosova has already become a member of the IMF. Of course we'd like to join the UN, that's very obvious, but out existence as a state is not conditioned on that membership no matter what you believe

Glenn, it might be helpful if you at least had the first clue what you are speaking about when you contribute. This has been dealt with elsewhere. Resolution 1244 is a Chapter VII resolution. It is binding on member states. Even the US does not argue that you can pick and choose when to accept UN resolutions, and accepts that 1244 remains in force. Until it is rescinded, Kosovo claim to full statehood remains just that - a claim. Certainy, countries can choose to recognise it if they wish. That is indeed their sovereign prerogative. However, in this day and age UN membership is the ultimate proof of statehood, and Kosovo (which has openly stated its hope of eventually joining) is not going to be accepted as a real state until it does become a member. Therefore, 1244 is certainly not just some petty irrelevance.
(Jim, 2 February 2012 22:05)

Jim, I think you would be hard pressed to find anywhere in my comments that I said that 1244 was no longer valid, or for that matter "some petty irrelevance." In fact, in a comment several days ago, I said that 1244 will be in force until it is removed by the UNSC.

My point was that sovereign countries can meet with whomever they choose, and they can call them whichever name they choose. For example, if Macedonia and Albania want to have a meeting from someone from the Kosovo government, they do not need anyone's permission, nor does anyone tell them what they may or may not put on a nameplate, nor for that matter, do they even need nameplates!

Among many other things, 1244 did provide a means for Kosovo's being able to be represented internationally, which in regional meetings is of course only necessary because Serbia tries to prevent Kosovo from being represented anywhere. 1244 is binding on all UN member countries, including Serbia, therefore Serbia must allow Kosovo to be represented at any meeting under UNMIK. This is just another example of 1244 being intended to protect Kosovo Albanians from Serbia, which is completely opposite of Serbia's portrayal of it. You would think from what people say that Serbia was the one that wrote the resolution, rather than signing it at gunpoint (figuratively).

As I said earlier, 1244 will remain in force until the UN removes it, which will not happen until Serbia no longer poses a threat to Kosovo.

Glenn - you stated the following: 'Really? I didn't know that the whole world bowed down to the UN. The UN is a body made up of sovereign countries. Countries do not give up their sovereignty to join the UN.'

I corrected you! chapter VII resolutions are binding. So, yes, legally, on certain occasions, states do have to bow down to the UN.

Nikolle, you can pretend that the UN doesn't matter, but we all know that it does. It has become the ultimate symbol of statehood. Again, Pristina has stressed that it's ultimate goal is UN membership. Their words, not mine.

@Nikolle

Kosovo is by far no Sovereign State, lets be real. If you have to go into negotiations with Serbia and find a solution to how you should represented in regional meetings, then what kind of sovereign state are you? Your being forced to take out the word "Republic" and put a footnote that at the very least will say "with no prejudice to status". That puts you very far aside from a normal sovereign state becasue no other sovereign state has these issues. Also on the topic of "Kosovo" joing the UN, dont count on it during your lifetime. Not gonna happen and you know it deep down. I would also like to say that being a UN member is one of the key prerogatives for being a state. What Fully recognized independent sovereign state can you name that is not a UN member (Please dont say Western Sahara or Abkhazia because youll look foolish). I would also like to point out that Serbia does have quite a bit of sovereignty in Kosovo. Serbia's Laws, Health Institutions, Legal Institutions, and Educational Institutions are fully present in all the Serb Enclaves both North and South of the Ibar. Also I would like to point out that when the 200,000 Serbian Refugees move back to their homes in Kosovo, Serbia's influence will be spread much more throughout the province. So I dont really see how you can say Serbia has no sovereignty in Kosovo when in reality it runs the Serbian Enclaves (Northern Kosovo, Gracanica, Strpce, Novo BRdo, Ranilug, Partes, Klokot, Gorazdevac, and Velkika HOca) as integral parts of Serbia. Please explain to me how Serbia has no sovereignty in Kosovo when everyone knows that Serbia's State organs and insitutions are fully functioning in these areas!

Dacic, have a salad once in a while. You are an embarrassment, as a representative of Serbia at foreign gatherings. You are the poster boy for "the fat cats of government". I cannot think of one thing that you have accomplished for the good of Serbia - yet you still cling onto power at all cost. Maybe the thought of actually working for a living, and not skimming off of hard working Serbs, is what gives you the drive to cling to positions of authority. You certainly have the chin for it. I don't like you.

"If this was done in america you my friend would be under arrest immedietely. Only in the wild wild kosovo filled with criminals you can do this. But it wont be very long a decade or less i would say before you either pay tax to belgrade, or cease to live there. American cities and regions occupied by more that 95% hispanics still pay taxes without question, cause if they dont they go bye bye back to mexico or where ever. So it wont be long till your freeloading days are over. until then you can remain as ignorrant as your comments"

Nothing else left to say accept issue empty threats eh Ivan?

Also just because there is a base there, it may help in the event someone wants to invade Serbia but will not help should Serbia want to invade others.
(pss, 2 February 2012 12:40)

Since Kosovo is disputed territory if Serbia tries to take Kosovo (or part of it) some will see it as "Serbia invading others", while some will see it as Serbia protecting its own territory.

Military base could protect Serbia in case of bombing.

"It is necessary for Serbia and the U.S., as traditional allies"

That's a sick joke. Serbia and the U.S. are traditional bombee and bomber relationship. Even in WWII the U.S. acted as Communist Tito's airforce and was directly hitting Serbian civilian homes, apartments and churches as directed by him and to soften up the towns/cities for his takeover.

U.S. is not Serbia's friend. Look at actions over empty words and propaganda movies the U.S. has a tradition of making to make itself look like heroes all the time when it was even built on the ethnic cleansing, theft and genocide of Native Americans.

(Jim, 2 February 2012 22:05)
I agree with some of what you say. Full statehood will be finalized with UN membership, however, that does not mean that a state cannot exist without UN membership, nor does it affect the independence of Kosovo. Independence means independence of Serbia, just like the independence of the US is from Britain.
Now the question is is there enough countries that recognize Kosovo to make its statehood functional, the answer to that is yes. There are organizations out there that Kosovo cannot join because of Serbia's contesting of indepependence but while they are goals do any of them block the ability of Kosovo to function as a state? No.
No where does it say in 1244 that it must be repealed prior to status being determined. Of course the inference and I think original goal was that once status was determined then the resolution would no longer be needed and at that point would be repealed.
But in this contested state with Serbia 1244 is the Godsend that the Albanians do not realize or appreciate. It prevents Serbia from acting on any claim over its sovereignty. The only thing Serbia can do is to try to prevent recognitions from occuring.
It can control interstate traffic going through Serbia but not any other path. It cannot seize assets, it cannot militarily move in and control any aspect of Kosovo life. It has no jurisdiction over the land, people, or assets of Kosovo due to 1244.
1244 is not petty and Kosovo should not in any way attempt to have it removed or deny its existence until time for UN membership to come for a vote. It guarantees that the UN must prohibit Serbia from interferring with the functioning of Kosovo whether as a protectorate or state.
I think that Kosovo should proudly sit behind a placard saying Kosovo under protection from Serbia by UNSC 1244.

Doesn't this idiot Dacic realize that the USA does not view Serbia as an ally, otherwise, why would they bomb Serbia for 78 days and nights. The CIA keeps files on all of Milosevic's former lackies, the biggest being this flunky.

Hi papajohn

Which half did you retain?

What other words would you prefer other than boring? Maybe, revolting, disgusting, selfish, moronic, criminal, inconsiderate. Or perhaps you want to pretend it was gentle, loving and smelling of roses?

I love the way in which a home-grown war is blamed on the west. Can Balkan nationalists not take responsibility for their own decisions to go and kill each other? Why did everyone not have so much brotherhood and unity that the west would not be able separate the loving and caring neighbours from their fond embraces?

Milosevic was a dangerous fool. But in your thinking it is always someone else that you want to insult.

The nasty nationism is not what most people want. Fortunately Bigotted nationalists are not the legitimated voice of Serbia, and a better future awaits.