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Monday, 30.01.2012.

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RS president responds to LDP leader

The cabinet of the president of the Serb Republic (RS) on Sunday reacted to statements made over the weekend by LDP party leader Čedomir Jovanović.

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Dragan

pre 12 godina

(Edwin, 1 February 2012 20:38)

You can't be serious. Your post has more holes in it than Swiss cheese. So Kusturica is not a Serb eh? How come he said this then?

'My father was an atheist and he always described himself as a Serb. OK, maybe we were Muslim for 250 years, but we were Orthodox before that and deep down we were always Serbs, religion cannot change that. We only became Muslims to survive the Turks'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emir_Kusturica
The man speaks the truth, deal with it. The rest of your post is too ridiculous to even respond to, so if you want to have a serious debate, I suggest you do some research for a change.

Edwin

pre 12 godina

Dragan

Fikret Abdic with his serbian scorpions(army from serbia) what can i say? They are murderers. Fairy tales? They are facts. Bosnians converted beacuse they were constantly attacked by Catholics who sented crusade on Bosnia and Orthodoxs who accused Bosnia of heresy. There are no proof of Bosnians ever being serbs. And why do you say ''muslims'' There are christian bosnians too. ''Ivan Franjo Jukic (Slavoljub Bosnjak):
"Mi ''BOŠNJACI'' njekad slavni narod sad jedva da smo živi nas samo kao očenutu glavu od stabla slavjanskog gledaju priatelji naukah i žale nas" ''The Charter of Kulin is a symbolic birth certificate of Bosnian statehood, as it is the first written document that talks of Bosnian borders (between the rivers of Drina, Sava and Una) and of the elements of the Bosnian state: its ruler, throne and political organization. It also noted Bosnia's population - "Bosnianians." The Charter was a trade agreement between Bosnia and Republic of Dubrovnik and was written in the Bosancica Old Bosnian language'' Kusturica a Serb? He declared himself as ''hercegovac''. http://www.tportal.hr/showtime/film/6671/Nisam-ja-nikakav-Srbin-vec-Hercegovac.html How is RS independent? It is an entity how is that hard to understand? If RS try to break out of Bosnia that would mean that the Dayton agreement is no more and RS is no more. Why? Beacuse Dayton agreement is the only thing that recognize RS as an entity and if Dayton is broken than it goes back to old Bosnia(before Dayton Aggrement) So RS would be foolish to try something like that. ''your hate propoganda and your blatant lies'' I only show facts. Serbs are best at propaganda, in 1992 the serbian media said that Bosnians was feeding lions with serbian kids in a Zoo. Or how germans are 70% ethnic serbs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUf_Ae07FbM

Dragan

pre 12 godina

Edwin, you're an uneducated clown. What do you say about Fikret Abdic, who along with his army fought on the Serbian side Bosnia? As for Mostar, it was destroyed, and I mean completely destroyed, in the fighting between muslims and Croats. MUCH worse than Sarajevo, which the western media kept secret.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozXBDdbWxwk
As for your ridiculous fairy tales about Serbs siding with Turks, you seem to forget that Bosnian muslims are the ones who sided with Turks, sided with them so much that they even changed their religion to Islam. Bosnian muslims are former Serbs who converted to islam to avoid paying taxes. People like Emir Kusturica know this, and have rightly declared themselves Serbs.
As for Republika Srpska, it is de facto independent and will soon be fully independent, there is no future with you people. Serbs have had enough of you, with your hate propoganda and your blatant lies, we are done with you, for good.
Cheers!!

Edwin

pre 12 godina

I forgot to tell you Leo Dodik is a Serb. When i was in Mostar Croats said that they if he was in front of him they would quote '' break his neck''. Im laughing how you describe Dodik as ''Croat hero'' haha. ''For all the recitation about who did what to whom since the Ottoman invasion'' If you want to go in on history Serbs had it 100 times better than Catholics. Serbs even helped Ottoman empire to win few wars. When Sigismund of Hungary was close to defeat the Ottomans who came in the last second and ended the battle with a Ottoman victory? Serbs! I would happily give you more facts about how Serbs lived in Ottoman Empire but i think it is enough of history lessons this is not a forum.

Edwin

pre 12 godina

Ok im gonna give you some real facts and not some unreal stuff like ''Oric, as blood-thirsty a warrior''? Who writes like that? Those who died around Srebrenica who were Serbs were 624 people where the majority of these were soldiers. In other words: It was the soldiers who besieged enclave. Of course it was a small fraction of those killed civilians. Why? For the fighting took place in the villages and Serbs hid in civilian houses to take cover. Source: http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2006/07/11/orics-two-years

To Leo
This wasn't a religious war. Muslims, Croats and Serbs was in the Bosnian army. Just look at this for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToAXTGujiXI I see you do not know much about the war or what is happening now. Croats are not allies with the Serbs and they never will be allies. Sarajevo has never been ethnic cleansed. In Horde Zla(Sarajevo fans) for example there are Muslims, Croats and Serbs. Vedran Puljic a Croat Horde Zla http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNMtz3ji9jM&feature=related

''The Serbs did not turn Sarajevo into a Christian-free zone.'' No they wanted to turn into a muslim and catholic free city.

''The RS is a peaceful nation and those who wish to try and destroy it will be defeated. So get over your hatred of Serbs.'' RS is not a ''nation'' It is an entity nothing more and peaceful? Serbs ethnic cleansed all catholics and muslims from the area how is that peaceful? I am not hating on Serbs im just giving out facts. Right should be right. Thank god that there are educated serbs like Cedomir Jovanovic. Without them there would be no Serbia.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 12 godina

No you can't say the same. After the war the politicians in RS said to the serbs who lived in Federacija to move in RS. And you call slaughering of 12 year old boys and older men is revenge? There is alot of proof of Ratko Mladic planning the attack way back. If Naser Oric did what he did why isn't he in jail? Why was he realesed from Hague? ''BTW, calling the massacre of a few thousand soldiers is no genocide.'' Wich soldiers are you talking about?
(Edwin, 30 January 2012 22:17)

The proof was there alright. His forces were responsible for the slaughter of nearly 3,000 Serb civilians in and around Srebrenica from 1992-95. A Canadian journalist interviewed him in his own home during the war and he showed him a video of dead Serbs calling it his Greatest Hits - http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/oric.htm and here http://original.antiwar.com/malic/2006/07/05/crime-and-punishment/

There was enough evidence to prosecute him but it didn't fit the official spin of Good Muslims, Bad Serbs so they released him. It was a political act that brought no justice or closure to his many victims. The Western imperialists in their re-writing the narrative of their destruction of Yugoslavia have also been busy re-writing history as well.

The truth in the end has a nasty habit of catching up on those who attempt to hide it. Just ask Radovan Karadzic.

Leo

pre 12 godina

I can end this debate by simply noting the US Embassy was leaked finding "Dodik is a Croat hero". For all the recitation about who did what to whom since the Ottoman invasion, the Croats are now allied with the Serbs against the Moslems. The RS is here to stay and your former "multicultural" Sarajevo is an Islamic, ethnically cleansed city. The Serbs did not turn Sarajevo into a Christian-free zone. The RS is a peaceful nation and those who wish to try and destroy it will be defeated. So get over your hatred of Serbs.

Edwin

pre 12 godina

No you can't say the same. After the war the politicians in RS said to the serbs who lived in Federacija to move in RS. And you call slaughering of 12 year old boys and older men is revenge? There is alot of proof of Ratko Mladic planning the attack way back. If Naser Oric did what he did why isn't he in jail? Why was he realesed from Hague? ''BTW, calling the massacre of a few thousand soldiers is no genocide.'' Wich soldiers are you talking about?

Lenard

pre 12 godina

"By insisting on the premeditated lie that the Serb Republic was made on genocide, LDP leader Čedomir Jovanović is trying to attribute collective responsibility to an entire nation, which only defended its right to live in the areas where its ancestors lived for centuries," said a statement from Dodik's cabinet. Karadzić ,Mladić ,Slobodan Milošević fore sure could of not done it by them self's worse crimes not seen in Europe since WW2. Without 10s of thousands of Serb criminals and their zealous willingness to be murderers, ethnic cleansers ,rapist ,destroyers of the majority citizens of Bosnia. The thieving cut throat bandits with a lot of Serb civilians willing participation hoping to get land and stolen goods of their neighbours. Pointing out their next door neighbours for liquidation ethnic cleansing by the minority war mongering Serbs of Bosnia. With out planing support and launching the first butchery's from Serbia on a peaceful unarmed country Bosnia to make a wicked Greater Serbia that raises its pathetic ugly head to many times. That is what "Srpska" aka Greater Serbia is founded on at least some Serbs Čedomir Jovanović and few others see the reality and refuse to live in wicked fantasy. They are willing to call it as it is not some made up lies of self inflicted delusions. That overwhelming Serbian politicians support to this pathetic evil day even go to the country of Bosnia to drink to it. Definitely they are a big part of the problem here they are celebrating 20th anniversary of genocide in Bosnia as they see the http://www.dnevniavaz.ba/thumbnail.php?file=decembar2011/prijem_u_vladi_rs___dodik_tadic_radmanovic_i_spiric_1_474908805.jpg&size=article_large hand writing on the wall. Here is the Serbian politicians and Highest Orthodox Church clergy from Belgrade Serbia dumb founded in Bosnia http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=Dodik+and+Tadi%C4%87+are+seen+in+Borik+on+Monday+%28Tanjug%29&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=xzd&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&biw=1280&bih=530&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=XXY3jTNRS2gTwM:&imgrefurl=http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Ex-YU/193434/Pronadeno-oruzje-u-dvorani-gde-se-obelezavao-jubilej-RS&docid=Vz3Zvx_HnqUO4M&imgurl=http://www.vesti-online.com/data/images/2012-01-10/206929_rs_f.jpg%253Fver%253D1326191680&w=480&h=290&ei=bfkmT5-ZCefaiQLKpaz5Bw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=750&vpy=135&dur=2168&hovh=174&hovw=289&tx=86&ty=112&sig=113575076496459118546&page=3&tbnh=160&tbnw=219&start=25&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:13,s:25 . Why no one else in the world showed up for the party for a "Srpska" aka Greater Serbia in Bosnia. Wondering if the invitations were written in Serbian Cyrillic and no one was able to read it yap no shame. Here they are rewarding them selves http://www.dnevniavaz.ba/thumbnail.php?file=decembar2011/urucivanje_ordena___tadic_887359134.jpg&size=article_large no no yore the best ,no no your the best you take the cake bravo bravo. While 10s of thousands cry for their murder loved ones and can't even go back yo their destroyed homes towns get real minority Serbs of Bosnia ,Serbia is the problem.

zman

pre 12 godina

Čedomir Jovanović is a total US/george Soros funded pupet.. he basically spouts the NATO propaganda lie.. Dodic too was put in power by the Americans but it's funny he is not obedient anymore.. I think they're going to replace him one of these days, they can't be too happy he is not folowing the script anymore..

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

As far as I understand Bosnian Serbs occupy approximately the same percentage of Bosnian territory as they did before the war. Now let's try to apply logic and basic arithmetics: if their entity is established on ethnic cleansing, so is Federation.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

To Leo it is ethnic cleansing explain how there was 40 % Bosniaks and Croats in the RS area but now there are 10 %.
(Edwin, 30 January 2012 16:45)
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The same can be said of BiH Croat/Muslim federation and of Croatia itself. There was a sizable Serbian population there that is no more. Also, they tend to celebrate this genocide as their national day.

BTW, calling the massacre of a few thousand soldiers is no genocide. The Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombings were closer to genocide than what happened in Srebrenica, which was really revenge for the massacres Oric committed against Serbians in the villages surrounding Srebrenica.

Pijetro

pre 12 godina

Up until now, i thought of Jovanovic as a politician who was ahead of the curve...A learned sort...A Serb who was looking for an EU approach.

Now, i've come to the realization, that he's just a hand puppet...
Why would you sell out the RS, just to gain internet and EU bureaucracy votes?
Is it possible that the people signing your paycheques take more precedence than your own constituency??

Shame!!!

Niall O'Doherty

pre 12 godina

I also personally agree with LDP leader that Bosnia is "founded on genocide of Srebrenica, on ethnic cleansing never seen in Europe after WW2".

Whatever is created on genocide may be shorlived or reversed in same manner. RS should be abolished, given to the people who lived befoer genocide and contribute to reconciliation of all in this region. The world and teh UN will help you on that.
(observer, 30 January 2012 15:53)

It never sceases to amaze me that when it comes to history, Albanian nationalists seemed to have formed a selective memory. The US protectorate or puppet state of 'Kosova', forcibly and illegally hewn out of the Republic of Serbia has an ethnic Albanian majority of approx 95% when before 1941 it had a sizable Serb population. Why does one ask? Well after massacaring tens of thousands of non Albanians during WW2, followed by a decades long systematic campaign of low level intimidation, murder and rape (1944-90) as referenced here by these articles from the early to mid 1980s http://members.tripod.com/~sarant_2/ksm.html
culminating in the premeditated, organised and forced expulsion (ethnic cleansing) of 200,000 of the province's Serbs, Jews, Roma and Gorani after the war in 1999 by the KLA.

So on that premise if one was to abolish the RS, then the so called Republic of 'Kosova' must surely be abolished. Croatia should also be forced to relinquish control of the Krajina after Zagreb's foced expulsion of 200,000 Croatian Serbs from their homes during Operation Storm in 1995 (not to mention the wartime deeds of the NDH). That would be the fair handed and logical approach, surely? But you know, this will not happen as double standards come into play and the Serbs must be forced to endure demonisation and be the West's scapegoats for everything that goes wrong for the West's imperialist geo-political games in which its local lackeys are compliant. When it comes to the right of self determination, that right of Croats, Bosnians, Slovenes, Macedonians and Albanians is championed while that right is denied to the Serbs of Croatia, Bosnia and the NATO occupied province of Kosovo.

As long as the Western Imperial planners continue to meddle in the politics of the Balkans, there will never be a just and lasting peace. Jovanovic obviously has not read the memo as he simply a compliant and paid lackey of NATO/US imperialism.

Bismark got it all right many years ago. Those Pomeranian Grenadiers are best served on some other battlefield.

Edwin

pre 12 godina

To Leo it is ethnic cleansing explain how there was 40 % Bosniaks and Croats in the RS area but now there are 10 %. Take a walk across Sarajevo and you will see names on walls. The names are from children who died in the war and people in Banja Luka still celebrates that. And they even celebrate the Srebrenica massacre. ''The situation in the RS has never been more difficult and complex due to incorrect strategy'' Words from SDS. And not only that they have problem with population. More die than give birth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgf8kt6VAOk&feature=plcp&context=C3b55bb7UDOEgsToPDskI5n94yddtCHk4N-NtpTqjp

PapaJohn

pre 12 godina

Observer, the people that live in RS have lived there for centuries - well before anything happened in Srebrenica. Who exactly should the Serbs give their own land back to? But how about Krajna and Kosovo, don't you think that true genocide happened there? Serbs were driven from their ancestral homes by Croats and Albanians respectively.

observer

pre 12 godina

I also personally agree with LDP leader that Bosnia is "founded on genocide of Srebrenica, on ethnic cleansing never seen in Europe after WW2".

Whatever is created on genocide may be shorlived or reversed in same manner. RS should be abolished, given to the people who lived befoer genocide and contribute to reconciliation of all in this region. The world and teh UN will help you on that.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

"founded on genocide of Srebrenica, on ethnic cleansing never seen in Europe after WW2".
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It has been seen in other cases, such as Croatia, where the ethnic cleansing was far worse and then in "Kosova", where Albanians ethnically cleansed hundreds of thousands of non-Albanians. Both Croatia and "Kosova" where founded on war crimes and genocide. In fact, that fits in nicely with the US of A, which was also founded on the genocide of native Americans and built on the slavery of Africans.

Leo

pre 12 godina

It's the same old song but fewer and fewer are listening. It's only "ethnic cleansing" if Serbs do it; it's only "self-determination" for anyone else. The RS is an accomplished fact. There has been peace only since it was established!! Only ant-Serb bigots and warmongers want it abolished. Knowing they no longer have a free NATO army to attack Serbs, their rhetoric gets more hysterical. The RS will outlast the EU.

Leo

pre 12 godina

It's the same old song but fewer and fewer are listening. It's only "ethnic cleansing" if Serbs do it; it's only "self-determination" for anyone else. The RS is an accomplished fact. There has been peace only since it was established!! Only ant-Serb bigots and warmongers want it abolished. Knowing they no longer have a free NATO army to attack Serbs, their rhetoric gets more hysterical. The RS will outlast the EU.

observer

pre 12 godina

I also personally agree with LDP leader that Bosnia is "founded on genocide of Srebrenica, on ethnic cleansing never seen in Europe after WW2".

Whatever is created on genocide may be shorlived or reversed in same manner. RS should be abolished, given to the people who lived befoer genocide and contribute to reconciliation of all in this region. The world and teh UN will help you on that.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

"founded on genocide of Srebrenica, on ethnic cleansing never seen in Europe after WW2".
--
It has been seen in other cases, such as Croatia, where the ethnic cleansing was far worse and then in "Kosova", where Albanians ethnically cleansed hundreds of thousands of non-Albanians. Both Croatia and "Kosova" where founded on war crimes and genocide. In fact, that fits in nicely with the US of A, which was also founded on the genocide of native Americans and built on the slavery of Africans.

Edwin

pre 12 godina

To Leo it is ethnic cleansing explain how there was 40 % Bosniaks and Croats in the RS area but now there are 10 %. Take a walk across Sarajevo and you will see names on walls. The names are from children who died in the war and people in Banja Luka still celebrates that. And they even celebrate the Srebrenica massacre. ''The situation in the RS has never been more difficult and complex due to incorrect strategy'' Words from SDS. And not only that they have problem with population. More die than give birth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgf8kt6VAOk&feature=plcp&context=C3b55bb7UDOEgsToPDskI5n94yddtCHk4N-NtpTqjp

Niall O'Doherty

pre 12 godina

I also personally agree with LDP leader that Bosnia is "founded on genocide of Srebrenica, on ethnic cleansing never seen in Europe after WW2".

Whatever is created on genocide may be shorlived or reversed in same manner. RS should be abolished, given to the people who lived befoer genocide and contribute to reconciliation of all in this region. The world and teh UN will help you on that.
(observer, 30 January 2012 15:53)

It never sceases to amaze me that when it comes to history, Albanian nationalists seemed to have formed a selective memory. The US protectorate or puppet state of 'Kosova', forcibly and illegally hewn out of the Republic of Serbia has an ethnic Albanian majority of approx 95% when before 1941 it had a sizable Serb population. Why does one ask? Well after massacaring tens of thousands of non Albanians during WW2, followed by a decades long systematic campaign of low level intimidation, murder and rape (1944-90) as referenced here by these articles from the early to mid 1980s http://members.tripod.com/~sarant_2/ksm.html
culminating in the premeditated, organised and forced expulsion (ethnic cleansing) of 200,000 of the province's Serbs, Jews, Roma and Gorani after the war in 1999 by the KLA.

So on that premise if one was to abolish the RS, then the so called Republic of 'Kosova' must surely be abolished. Croatia should also be forced to relinquish control of the Krajina after Zagreb's foced expulsion of 200,000 Croatian Serbs from their homes during Operation Storm in 1995 (not to mention the wartime deeds of the NDH). That would be the fair handed and logical approach, surely? But you know, this will not happen as double standards come into play and the Serbs must be forced to endure demonisation and be the West's scapegoats for everything that goes wrong for the West's imperialist geo-political games in which its local lackeys are compliant. When it comes to the right of self determination, that right of Croats, Bosnians, Slovenes, Macedonians and Albanians is championed while that right is denied to the Serbs of Croatia, Bosnia and the NATO occupied province of Kosovo.

As long as the Western Imperial planners continue to meddle in the politics of the Balkans, there will never be a just and lasting peace. Jovanovic obviously has not read the memo as he simply a compliant and paid lackey of NATO/US imperialism.

Bismark got it all right many years ago. Those Pomeranian Grenadiers are best served on some other battlefield.

PapaJohn

pre 12 godina

Observer, the people that live in RS have lived there for centuries - well before anything happened in Srebrenica. Who exactly should the Serbs give their own land back to? But how about Krajna and Kosovo, don't you think that true genocide happened there? Serbs were driven from their ancestral homes by Croats and Albanians respectively.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

"By insisting on the premeditated lie that the Serb Republic was made on genocide, LDP leader Čedomir Jovanović is trying to attribute collective responsibility to an entire nation, which only defended its right to live in the areas where its ancestors lived for centuries," said a statement from Dodik's cabinet. Karadzić ,Mladić ,Slobodan Milošević fore sure could of not done it by them self's worse crimes not seen in Europe since WW2. Without 10s of thousands of Serb criminals and their zealous willingness to be murderers, ethnic cleansers ,rapist ,destroyers of the majority citizens of Bosnia. The thieving cut throat bandits with a lot of Serb civilians willing participation hoping to get land and stolen goods of their neighbours. Pointing out their next door neighbours for liquidation ethnic cleansing by the minority war mongering Serbs of Bosnia. With out planing support and launching the first butchery's from Serbia on a peaceful unarmed country Bosnia to make a wicked Greater Serbia that raises its pathetic ugly head to many times. That is what "Srpska" aka Greater Serbia is founded on at least some Serbs Čedomir Jovanović and few others see the reality and refuse to live in wicked fantasy. They are willing to call it as it is not some made up lies of self inflicted delusions. That overwhelming Serbian politicians support to this pathetic evil day even go to the country of Bosnia to drink to it. Definitely they are a big part of the problem here they are celebrating 20th anniversary of genocide in Bosnia as they see the http://www.dnevniavaz.ba/thumbnail.php?file=decembar2011/prijem_u_vladi_rs___dodik_tadic_radmanovic_i_spiric_1_474908805.jpg&size=article_large hand writing on the wall. Here is the Serbian politicians and Highest Orthodox Church clergy from Belgrade Serbia dumb founded in Bosnia http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=Dodik+and+Tadi%C4%87+are+seen+in+Borik+on+Monday+%28Tanjug%29&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=xzd&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&biw=1280&bih=530&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=XXY3jTNRS2gTwM:&imgrefurl=http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Ex-YU/193434/Pronadeno-oruzje-u-dvorani-gde-se-obelezavao-jubilej-RS&docid=Vz3Zvx_HnqUO4M&imgurl=http://www.vesti-online.com/data/images/2012-01-10/206929_rs_f.jpg%253Fver%253D1326191680&w=480&h=290&ei=bfkmT5-ZCefaiQLKpaz5Bw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=750&vpy=135&dur=2168&hovh=174&hovw=289&tx=86&ty=112&sig=113575076496459118546&page=3&tbnh=160&tbnw=219&start=25&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:13,s:25 . Why no one else in the world showed up for the party for a "Srpska" aka Greater Serbia in Bosnia. Wondering if the invitations were written in Serbian Cyrillic and no one was able to read it yap no shame. Here they are rewarding them selves http://www.dnevniavaz.ba/thumbnail.php?file=decembar2011/urucivanje_ordena___tadic_887359134.jpg&size=article_large no no yore the best ,no no your the best you take the cake bravo bravo. While 10s of thousands cry for their murder loved ones and can't even go back yo their destroyed homes towns get real minority Serbs of Bosnia ,Serbia is the problem.

Edwin

pre 12 godina

No you can't say the same. After the war the politicians in RS said to the serbs who lived in Federacija to move in RS. And you call slaughering of 12 year old boys and older men is revenge? There is alot of proof of Ratko Mladic planning the attack way back. If Naser Oric did what he did why isn't he in jail? Why was he realesed from Hague? ''BTW, calling the massacre of a few thousand soldiers is no genocide.'' Wich soldiers are you talking about?

Dragan

pre 12 godina

Edwin, you're an uneducated clown. What do you say about Fikret Abdic, who along with his army fought on the Serbian side Bosnia? As for Mostar, it was destroyed, and I mean completely destroyed, in the fighting between muslims and Croats. MUCH worse than Sarajevo, which the western media kept secret.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozXBDdbWxwk
As for your ridiculous fairy tales about Serbs siding with Turks, you seem to forget that Bosnian muslims are the ones who sided with Turks, sided with them so much that they even changed their religion to Islam. Bosnian muslims are former Serbs who converted to islam to avoid paying taxes. People like Emir Kusturica know this, and have rightly declared themselves Serbs.
As for Republika Srpska, it is de facto independent and will soon be fully independent, there is no future with you people. Serbs have had enough of you, with your hate propoganda and your blatant lies, we are done with you, for good.
Cheers!!

Zoran

pre 12 godina

To Leo it is ethnic cleansing explain how there was 40 % Bosniaks and Croats in the RS area but now there are 10 %.
(Edwin, 30 January 2012 16:45)
--
The same can be said of BiH Croat/Muslim federation and of Croatia itself. There was a sizable Serbian population there that is no more. Also, they tend to celebrate this genocide as their national day.

BTW, calling the massacre of a few thousand soldiers is no genocide. The Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombings were closer to genocide than what happened in Srebrenica, which was really revenge for the massacres Oric committed against Serbians in the villages surrounding Srebrenica.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 12 godina

No you can't say the same. After the war the politicians in RS said to the serbs who lived in Federacija to move in RS. And you call slaughering of 12 year old boys and older men is revenge? There is alot of proof of Ratko Mladic planning the attack way back. If Naser Oric did what he did why isn't he in jail? Why was he realesed from Hague? ''BTW, calling the massacre of a few thousand soldiers is no genocide.'' Wich soldiers are you talking about?
(Edwin, 30 January 2012 22:17)

The proof was there alright. His forces were responsible for the slaughter of nearly 3,000 Serb civilians in and around Srebrenica from 1992-95. A Canadian journalist interviewed him in his own home during the war and he showed him a video of dead Serbs calling it his Greatest Hits - http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/oric.htm and here http://original.antiwar.com/malic/2006/07/05/crime-and-punishment/

There was enough evidence to prosecute him but it didn't fit the official spin of Good Muslims, Bad Serbs so they released him. It was a political act that brought no justice or closure to his many victims. The Western imperialists in their re-writing the narrative of their destruction of Yugoslavia have also been busy re-writing history as well.

The truth in the end has a nasty habit of catching up on those who attempt to hide it. Just ask Radovan Karadzic.

Pijetro

pre 12 godina

Up until now, i thought of Jovanovic as a politician who was ahead of the curve...A learned sort...A Serb who was looking for an EU approach.

Now, i've come to the realization, that he's just a hand puppet...
Why would you sell out the RS, just to gain internet and EU bureaucracy votes?
Is it possible that the people signing your paycheques take more precedence than your own constituency??

Shame!!!

zman

pre 12 godina

Čedomir Jovanović is a total US/george Soros funded pupet.. he basically spouts the NATO propaganda lie.. Dodic too was put in power by the Americans but it's funny he is not obedient anymore.. I think they're going to replace him one of these days, they can't be too happy he is not folowing the script anymore..

Leo

pre 12 godina

I can end this debate by simply noting the US Embassy was leaked finding "Dodik is a Croat hero". For all the recitation about who did what to whom since the Ottoman invasion, the Croats are now allied with the Serbs against the Moslems. The RS is here to stay and your former "multicultural" Sarajevo is an Islamic, ethnically cleansed city. The Serbs did not turn Sarajevo into a Christian-free zone. The RS is a peaceful nation and those who wish to try and destroy it will be defeated. So get over your hatred of Serbs.

Edwin

pre 12 godina

Ok im gonna give you some real facts and not some unreal stuff like ''Oric, as blood-thirsty a warrior''? Who writes like that? Those who died around Srebrenica who were Serbs were 624 people where the majority of these were soldiers. In other words: It was the soldiers who besieged enclave. Of course it was a small fraction of those killed civilians. Why? For the fighting took place in the villages and Serbs hid in civilian houses to take cover. Source: http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2006/07/11/orics-two-years

To Leo
This wasn't a religious war. Muslims, Croats and Serbs was in the Bosnian army. Just look at this for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToAXTGujiXI I see you do not know much about the war or what is happening now. Croats are not allies with the Serbs and they never will be allies. Sarajevo has never been ethnic cleansed. In Horde Zla(Sarajevo fans) for example there are Muslims, Croats and Serbs. Vedran Puljic a Croat Horde Zla http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNMtz3ji9jM&feature=related

''The Serbs did not turn Sarajevo into a Christian-free zone.'' No they wanted to turn into a muslim and catholic free city.

''The RS is a peaceful nation and those who wish to try and destroy it will be defeated. So get over your hatred of Serbs.'' RS is not a ''nation'' It is an entity nothing more and peaceful? Serbs ethnic cleansed all catholics and muslims from the area how is that peaceful? I am not hating on Serbs im just giving out facts. Right should be right. Thank god that there are educated serbs like Cedomir Jovanovic. Without them there would be no Serbia.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

As far as I understand Bosnian Serbs occupy approximately the same percentage of Bosnian territory as they did before the war. Now let's try to apply logic and basic arithmetics: if their entity is established on ethnic cleansing, so is Federation.

Edwin

pre 12 godina

I forgot to tell you Leo Dodik is a Serb. When i was in Mostar Croats said that they if he was in front of him they would quote '' break his neck''. Im laughing how you describe Dodik as ''Croat hero'' haha. ''For all the recitation about who did what to whom since the Ottoman invasion'' If you want to go in on history Serbs had it 100 times better than Catholics. Serbs even helped Ottoman empire to win few wars. When Sigismund of Hungary was close to defeat the Ottomans who came in the last second and ended the battle with a Ottoman victory? Serbs! I would happily give you more facts about how Serbs lived in Ottoman Empire but i think it is enough of history lessons this is not a forum.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

(Edwin, 1 February 2012 20:38)

You can't be serious. Your post has more holes in it than Swiss cheese. So Kusturica is not a Serb eh? How come he said this then?

'My father was an atheist and he always described himself as a Serb. OK, maybe we were Muslim for 250 years, but we were Orthodox before that and deep down we were always Serbs, religion cannot change that. We only became Muslims to survive the Turks'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emir_Kusturica
The man speaks the truth, deal with it. The rest of your post is too ridiculous to even respond to, so if you want to have a serious debate, I suggest you do some research for a change.

Edwin

pre 12 godina

Dragan

Fikret Abdic with his serbian scorpions(army from serbia) what can i say? They are murderers. Fairy tales? They are facts. Bosnians converted beacuse they were constantly attacked by Catholics who sented crusade on Bosnia and Orthodoxs who accused Bosnia of heresy. There are no proof of Bosnians ever being serbs. And why do you say ''muslims'' There are christian bosnians too. ''Ivan Franjo Jukic (Slavoljub Bosnjak):
"Mi ''BOŠNJACI'' njekad slavni narod sad jedva da smo živi nas samo kao očenutu glavu od stabla slavjanskog gledaju priatelji naukah i žale nas" ''The Charter of Kulin is a symbolic birth certificate of Bosnian statehood, as it is the first written document that talks of Bosnian borders (between the rivers of Drina, Sava and Una) and of the elements of the Bosnian state: its ruler, throne and political organization. It also noted Bosnia's population - "Bosnianians." The Charter was a trade agreement between Bosnia and Republic of Dubrovnik and was written in the Bosancica Old Bosnian language'' Kusturica a Serb? He declared himself as ''hercegovac''. http://www.tportal.hr/showtime/film/6671/Nisam-ja-nikakav-Srbin-vec-Hercegovac.html How is RS independent? It is an entity how is that hard to understand? If RS try to break out of Bosnia that would mean that the Dayton agreement is no more and RS is no more. Why? Beacuse Dayton agreement is the only thing that recognize RS as an entity and if Dayton is broken than it goes back to old Bosnia(before Dayton Aggrement) So RS would be foolish to try something like that. ''your hate propoganda and your blatant lies'' I only show facts. Serbs are best at propaganda, in 1992 the serbian media said that Bosnians was feeding lions with serbian kids in a Zoo. Or how germans are 70% ethnic serbs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUf_Ae07FbM

Leo

pre 12 godina

It's the same old song but fewer and fewer are listening. It's only "ethnic cleansing" if Serbs do it; it's only "self-determination" for anyone else. The RS is an accomplished fact. There has been peace only since it was established!! Only ant-Serb bigots and warmongers want it abolished. Knowing they no longer have a free NATO army to attack Serbs, their rhetoric gets more hysterical. The RS will outlast the EU.

observer

pre 12 godina

I also personally agree with LDP leader that Bosnia is "founded on genocide of Srebrenica, on ethnic cleansing never seen in Europe after WW2".

Whatever is created on genocide may be shorlived or reversed in same manner. RS should be abolished, given to the people who lived befoer genocide and contribute to reconciliation of all in this region. The world and teh UN will help you on that.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

"founded on genocide of Srebrenica, on ethnic cleansing never seen in Europe after WW2".
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It has been seen in other cases, such as Croatia, where the ethnic cleansing was far worse and then in "Kosova", where Albanians ethnically cleansed hundreds of thousands of non-Albanians. Both Croatia and "Kosova" where founded on war crimes and genocide. In fact, that fits in nicely with the US of A, which was also founded on the genocide of native Americans and built on the slavery of Africans.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 12 godina

I also personally agree with LDP leader that Bosnia is "founded on genocide of Srebrenica, on ethnic cleansing never seen in Europe after WW2".

Whatever is created on genocide may be shorlived or reversed in same manner. RS should be abolished, given to the people who lived befoer genocide and contribute to reconciliation of all in this region. The world and teh UN will help you on that.
(observer, 30 January 2012 15:53)

It never sceases to amaze me that when it comes to history, Albanian nationalists seemed to have formed a selective memory. The US protectorate or puppet state of 'Kosova', forcibly and illegally hewn out of the Republic of Serbia has an ethnic Albanian majority of approx 95% when before 1941 it had a sizable Serb population. Why does one ask? Well after massacaring tens of thousands of non Albanians during WW2, followed by a decades long systematic campaign of low level intimidation, murder and rape (1944-90) as referenced here by these articles from the early to mid 1980s http://members.tripod.com/~sarant_2/ksm.html
culminating in the premeditated, organised and forced expulsion (ethnic cleansing) of 200,000 of the province's Serbs, Jews, Roma and Gorani after the war in 1999 by the KLA.

So on that premise if one was to abolish the RS, then the so called Republic of 'Kosova' must surely be abolished. Croatia should also be forced to relinquish control of the Krajina after Zagreb's foced expulsion of 200,000 Croatian Serbs from their homes during Operation Storm in 1995 (not to mention the wartime deeds of the NDH). That would be the fair handed and logical approach, surely? But you know, this will not happen as double standards come into play and the Serbs must be forced to endure demonisation and be the West's scapegoats for everything that goes wrong for the West's imperialist geo-political games in which its local lackeys are compliant. When it comes to the right of self determination, that right of Croats, Bosnians, Slovenes, Macedonians and Albanians is championed while that right is denied to the Serbs of Croatia, Bosnia and the NATO occupied province of Kosovo.

As long as the Western Imperial planners continue to meddle in the politics of the Balkans, there will never be a just and lasting peace. Jovanovic obviously has not read the memo as he simply a compliant and paid lackey of NATO/US imperialism.

Bismark got it all right many years ago. Those Pomeranian Grenadiers are best served on some other battlefield.

PapaJohn

pre 12 godina

Observer, the people that live in RS have lived there for centuries - well before anything happened in Srebrenica. Who exactly should the Serbs give their own land back to? But how about Krajna and Kosovo, don't you think that true genocide happened there? Serbs were driven from their ancestral homes by Croats and Albanians respectively.

Edwin

pre 12 godina

To Leo it is ethnic cleansing explain how there was 40 % Bosniaks and Croats in the RS area but now there are 10 %. Take a walk across Sarajevo and you will see names on walls. The names are from children who died in the war and people in Banja Luka still celebrates that. And they even celebrate the Srebrenica massacre. ''The situation in the RS has never been more difficult and complex due to incorrect strategy'' Words from SDS. And not only that they have problem with population. More die than give birth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgf8kt6VAOk&feature=plcp&context=C3b55bb7UDOEgsToPDskI5n94yddtCHk4N-NtpTqjp

Zoran

pre 12 godina

To Leo it is ethnic cleansing explain how there was 40 % Bosniaks and Croats in the RS area but now there are 10 %.
(Edwin, 30 January 2012 16:45)
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The same can be said of BiH Croat/Muslim federation and of Croatia itself. There was a sizable Serbian population there that is no more. Also, they tend to celebrate this genocide as their national day.

BTW, calling the massacre of a few thousand soldiers is no genocide. The Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombings were closer to genocide than what happened in Srebrenica, which was really revenge for the massacres Oric committed against Serbians in the villages surrounding Srebrenica.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

"By insisting on the premeditated lie that the Serb Republic was made on genocide, LDP leader Čedomir Jovanović is trying to attribute collective responsibility to an entire nation, which only defended its right to live in the areas where its ancestors lived for centuries," said a statement from Dodik's cabinet. Karadzić ,Mladić ,Slobodan Milošević fore sure could of not done it by them self's worse crimes not seen in Europe since WW2. Without 10s of thousands of Serb criminals and their zealous willingness to be murderers, ethnic cleansers ,rapist ,destroyers of the majority citizens of Bosnia. The thieving cut throat bandits with a lot of Serb civilians willing participation hoping to get land and stolen goods of their neighbours. Pointing out their next door neighbours for liquidation ethnic cleansing by the minority war mongering Serbs of Bosnia. With out planing support and launching the first butchery's from Serbia on a peaceful unarmed country Bosnia to make a wicked Greater Serbia that raises its pathetic ugly head to many times. That is what "Srpska" aka Greater Serbia is founded on at least some Serbs Čedomir Jovanović and few others see the reality and refuse to live in wicked fantasy. They are willing to call it as it is not some made up lies of self inflicted delusions. That overwhelming Serbian politicians support to this pathetic evil day even go to the country of Bosnia to drink to it. Definitely they are a big part of the problem here they are celebrating 20th anniversary of genocide in Bosnia as they see the http://www.dnevniavaz.ba/thumbnail.php?file=decembar2011/prijem_u_vladi_rs___dodik_tadic_radmanovic_i_spiric_1_474908805.jpg&size=article_large hand writing on the wall. Here is the Serbian politicians and Highest Orthodox Church clergy from Belgrade Serbia dumb founded in Bosnia http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=Dodik+and+Tadi%C4%87+are+seen+in+Borik+on+Monday+%28Tanjug%29&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=xzd&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&biw=1280&bih=530&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=XXY3jTNRS2gTwM:&imgrefurl=http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Ex-YU/193434/Pronadeno-oruzje-u-dvorani-gde-se-obelezavao-jubilej-RS&docid=Vz3Zvx_HnqUO4M&imgurl=http://www.vesti-online.com/data/images/2012-01-10/206929_rs_f.jpg%253Fver%253D1326191680&w=480&h=290&ei=bfkmT5-ZCefaiQLKpaz5Bw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=750&vpy=135&dur=2168&hovh=174&hovw=289&tx=86&ty=112&sig=113575076496459118546&page=3&tbnh=160&tbnw=219&start=25&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:13,s:25 . Why no one else in the world showed up for the party for a "Srpska" aka Greater Serbia in Bosnia. Wondering if the invitations were written in Serbian Cyrillic and no one was able to read it yap no shame. Here they are rewarding them selves http://www.dnevniavaz.ba/thumbnail.php?file=decembar2011/urucivanje_ordena___tadic_887359134.jpg&size=article_large no no yore the best ,no no your the best you take the cake bravo bravo. While 10s of thousands cry for their murder loved ones and can't even go back yo their destroyed homes towns get real minority Serbs of Bosnia ,Serbia is the problem.

Pijetro

pre 12 godina

Up until now, i thought of Jovanovic as a politician who was ahead of the curve...A learned sort...A Serb who was looking for an EU approach.

Now, i've come to the realization, that he's just a hand puppet...
Why would you sell out the RS, just to gain internet and EU bureaucracy votes?
Is it possible that the people signing your paycheques take more precedence than your own constituency??

Shame!!!

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

As far as I understand Bosnian Serbs occupy approximately the same percentage of Bosnian territory as they did before the war. Now let's try to apply logic and basic arithmetics: if their entity is established on ethnic cleansing, so is Federation.

Edwin

pre 12 godina

No you can't say the same. After the war the politicians in RS said to the serbs who lived in Federacija to move in RS. And you call slaughering of 12 year old boys and older men is revenge? There is alot of proof of Ratko Mladic planning the attack way back. If Naser Oric did what he did why isn't he in jail? Why was he realesed from Hague? ''BTW, calling the massacre of a few thousand soldiers is no genocide.'' Wich soldiers are you talking about?

Edwin

pre 12 godina

I forgot to tell you Leo Dodik is a Serb. When i was in Mostar Croats said that they if he was in front of him they would quote '' break his neck''. Im laughing how you describe Dodik as ''Croat hero'' haha. ''For all the recitation about who did what to whom since the Ottoman invasion'' If you want to go in on history Serbs had it 100 times better than Catholics. Serbs even helped Ottoman empire to win few wars. When Sigismund of Hungary was close to defeat the Ottomans who came in the last second and ended the battle with a Ottoman victory? Serbs! I would happily give you more facts about how Serbs lived in Ottoman Empire but i think it is enough of history lessons this is not a forum.

zman

pre 12 godina

Čedomir Jovanović is a total US/george Soros funded pupet.. he basically spouts the NATO propaganda lie.. Dodic too was put in power by the Americans but it's funny he is not obedient anymore.. I think they're going to replace him one of these days, they can't be too happy he is not folowing the script anymore..

Niall O'Doherty

pre 12 godina

No you can't say the same. After the war the politicians in RS said to the serbs who lived in Federacija to move in RS. And you call slaughering of 12 year old boys and older men is revenge? There is alot of proof of Ratko Mladic planning the attack way back. If Naser Oric did what he did why isn't he in jail? Why was he realesed from Hague? ''BTW, calling the massacre of a few thousand soldiers is no genocide.'' Wich soldiers are you talking about?
(Edwin, 30 January 2012 22:17)

The proof was there alright. His forces were responsible for the slaughter of nearly 3,000 Serb civilians in and around Srebrenica from 1992-95. A Canadian journalist interviewed him in his own home during the war and he showed him a video of dead Serbs calling it his Greatest Hits - http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/oric.htm and here http://original.antiwar.com/malic/2006/07/05/crime-and-punishment/

There was enough evidence to prosecute him but it didn't fit the official spin of Good Muslims, Bad Serbs so they released him. It was a political act that brought no justice or closure to his many victims. The Western imperialists in their re-writing the narrative of their destruction of Yugoslavia have also been busy re-writing history as well.

The truth in the end has a nasty habit of catching up on those who attempt to hide it. Just ask Radovan Karadzic.

Leo

pre 12 godina

I can end this debate by simply noting the US Embassy was leaked finding "Dodik is a Croat hero". For all the recitation about who did what to whom since the Ottoman invasion, the Croats are now allied with the Serbs against the Moslems. The RS is here to stay and your former "multicultural" Sarajevo is an Islamic, ethnically cleansed city. The Serbs did not turn Sarajevo into a Christian-free zone. The RS is a peaceful nation and those who wish to try and destroy it will be defeated. So get over your hatred of Serbs.

Edwin

pre 12 godina

Ok im gonna give you some real facts and not some unreal stuff like ''Oric, as blood-thirsty a warrior''? Who writes like that? Those who died around Srebrenica who were Serbs were 624 people where the majority of these were soldiers. In other words: It was the soldiers who besieged enclave. Of course it was a small fraction of those killed civilians. Why? For the fighting took place in the villages and Serbs hid in civilian houses to take cover. Source: http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2006/07/11/orics-two-years

To Leo
This wasn't a religious war. Muslims, Croats and Serbs was in the Bosnian army. Just look at this for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToAXTGujiXI I see you do not know much about the war or what is happening now. Croats are not allies with the Serbs and they never will be allies. Sarajevo has never been ethnic cleansed. In Horde Zla(Sarajevo fans) for example there are Muslims, Croats and Serbs. Vedran Puljic a Croat Horde Zla http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNMtz3ji9jM&feature=related

''The Serbs did not turn Sarajevo into a Christian-free zone.'' No they wanted to turn into a muslim and catholic free city.

''The RS is a peaceful nation and those who wish to try and destroy it will be defeated. So get over your hatred of Serbs.'' RS is not a ''nation'' It is an entity nothing more and peaceful? Serbs ethnic cleansed all catholics and muslims from the area how is that peaceful? I am not hating on Serbs im just giving out facts. Right should be right. Thank god that there are educated serbs like Cedomir Jovanovic. Without them there would be no Serbia.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

Edwin, you're an uneducated clown. What do you say about Fikret Abdic, who along with his army fought on the Serbian side Bosnia? As for Mostar, it was destroyed, and I mean completely destroyed, in the fighting between muslims and Croats. MUCH worse than Sarajevo, which the western media kept secret.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozXBDdbWxwk
As for your ridiculous fairy tales about Serbs siding with Turks, you seem to forget that Bosnian muslims are the ones who sided with Turks, sided with them so much that they even changed their religion to Islam. Bosnian muslims are former Serbs who converted to islam to avoid paying taxes. People like Emir Kusturica know this, and have rightly declared themselves Serbs.
As for Republika Srpska, it is de facto independent and will soon be fully independent, there is no future with you people. Serbs have had enough of you, with your hate propoganda and your blatant lies, we are done with you, for good.
Cheers!!

Edwin

pre 12 godina

Dragan

Fikret Abdic with his serbian scorpions(army from serbia) what can i say? They are murderers. Fairy tales? They are facts. Bosnians converted beacuse they were constantly attacked by Catholics who sented crusade on Bosnia and Orthodoxs who accused Bosnia of heresy. There are no proof of Bosnians ever being serbs. And why do you say ''muslims'' There are christian bosnians too. ''Ivan Franjo Jukic (Slavoljub Bosnjak):
"Mi ''BOŠNJACI'' njekad slavni narod sad jedva da smo živi nas samo kao očenutu glavu od stabla slavjanskog gledaju priatelji naukah i žale nas" ''The Charter of Kulin is a symbolic birth certificate of Bosnian statehood, as it is the first written document that talks of Bosnian borders (between the rivers of Drina, Sava and Una) and of the elements of the Bosnian state: its ruler, throne and political organization. It also noted Bosnia's population - "Bosnianians." The Charter was a trade agreement between Bosnia and Republic of Dubrovnik and was written in the Bosancica Old Bosnian language'' Kusturica a Serb? He declared himself as ''hercegovac''. http://www.tportal.hr/showtime/film/6671/Nisam-ja-nikakav-Srbin-vec-Hercegovac.html How is RS independent? It is an entity how is that hard to understand? If RS try to break out of Bosnia that would mean that the Dayton agreement is no more and RS is no more. Why? Beacuse Dayton agreement is the only thing that recognize RS as an entity and if Dayton is broken than it goes back to old Bosnia(before Dayton Aggrement) So RS would be foolish to try something like that. ''your hate propoganda and your blatant lies'' I only show facts. Serbs are best at propaganda, in 1992 the serbian media said that Bosnians was feeding lions with serbian kids in a Zoo. Or how germans are 70% ethnic serbs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUf_Ae07FbM

Dragan

pre 12 godina

(Edwin, 1 February 2012 20:38)

You can't be serious. Your post has more holes in it than Swiss cheese. So Kusturica is not a Serb eh? How come he said this then?

'My father was an atheist and he always described himself as a Serb. OK, maybe we were Muslim for 250 years, but we were Orthodox before that and deep down we were always Serbs, religion cannot change that. We only became Muslims to survive the Turks'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emir_Kusturica
The man speaks the truth, deal with it. The rest of your post is too ridiculous to even respond to, so if you want to have a serious debate, I suggest you do some research for a change.