K. Serbs victims of geopolitical game - Russian patriarch

What that man says has not much to do with christianity any longer. It is inexcusable to that he tries to twist history around and on top of it sees Serbia as the victims of the what happened in the 90's. From the way he talks you can think he is a member of a radical islam sect, but not a member of a christian church.

They are not even given a basic right to life,” Kirill stressed.


This Kirril bogeyman must be talking about his own people right on the back of his own church, where ordinary Russian is starving to death, have no right to speak or express their opinion.

“With an indifferent attitude of many states they are forced to live in closed enclaves, feeling the everyday concern due to hostile environment. Our brothers in religion have a great courage and they are not leaving their suffering country and holy places, they live just like in concentration camps. They are not even given a basic right to life,” Kirill stressed.

“Here we see the unacceptable injustice, double standards and lies of the policy that declares commitment to ideals of humanism, protection of human rights and turns a blind eye before the hell that the extremists have created with help from their sponsors from abroad,” he explained. '

Thank you, everything the Patriarch said is true, and I hope the West is listening. I only wish that the Serbian government would say this, but what do you expect when they were put in place by the NATO war criminals.

And a mayor player in this game is Russia. But at least he sounds like another proponent of this "Serbia is the eternal victim" propaganda. And the Serbs are even buying it! Proud to be a victim? How disturbed must one be?

“western media had been publishing intentionally twisted information about the Milošević regime’s atrocities against Kosovo Albanians by exaggerating the number of victims of ethnic cleansing carried out by the Serbian police in the province“.

How does he know that? Is he a judge, jury? Was he living in Kosovo where all the above might or might not have happened? He could be "good Serbian" polititian though hiding behind the religious dress.

"Russian Orthodox Church Patriarch Kirill has stated that Kosovo Serbs are hostages of a great geopolitical game"

Yes, we finally received confirmation from the representative of God :) of what we've been saying for a long time in these forums. Russia just sees Kosovo Serbs as cheap disposable pieces in its geopolitical game with the West. When it's for real we all saw how much Russia cares for Kosovo Serbs with the famous passports episode :).

God bless.

The only people that buy the lies & propaganda of America in today's day and age are the Albanians.

Thank you, everything the Patriarch said is true, and I hope the West is listening. I only wish that the Serbian government would say this, but what do you expect when they were put in place by the NATO war criminals.
(Dragan, 29 January 2012 14:35)

I suggest you watch the movie; "Zone of the Dead". Serbia self made of zombies. I really liked the movie in its entire context.

Are some correspondents seriously questioning that gross exaggerations occurred in the run-up to the NATO bombing campaign on Serb civilians, a war crime in itself? Not many in the West anymore claim 100,000 Albanians were killed as Madeline Albright asserted. But even if couldn't think past the propaganda, the Patriarch is accurately describing the precarious situation of his brothers, is welcome among the Serbs of Kosovo and is in the forefront of providing humanitarian aid. He is not anti-islamic and has good relations with Islamic clergy around the world. And by the way, anti-Serb bigots, the Orthodox charities( I am a donor) operating in Kosovo also provide humanitarian relief to Albanians! God bless the Patriarch and his good work. Sorry, anti-Serb bigots, the Kosovo Serbs are there to stay and have outlasted the monstrous NATO!

icj-pusher

With my poor English and the B92 Moderator to guard the Albanians sometimes I have problems to call spade a spade. B92 often acts like B52 burning out the very precise words to estimate some posters. They let in quite restricted lexicon like idiot or moron which very often are too diplomatic to describe what I think. That’s why I sometimes use Russian words. But unfortunately the Moderator knows Russian too and the trick does not work.

So today I fail again to appropriate comment your fuddle drunk hysteria. But please never doubt of what I think about you and your mother and the bandit folk of yours. Just be sure outside the B92 censorship I ‘ve said all the words you and your mother and your people do deserve. And best if you sleep with your eyes open cause nothing is over yet. We’ll be back.

ardi asllani-pusher

“… ordinary Russian is starving to death, have no right to speak or express their opinion…”

Thank you for your short comment cause it seems that you use part of the traffic for your own needs. And in this case your diamond ring comment could be even more idiotic than the average level kept up by the Albans here. What is worse it could be long. So I thank you for shortening the idiotism. In such small dozes we can bear it. As a professional you should know that over dozing is always fatal.

EA-pusher

“ How does he know that ? Is he a judge, jury ? “

As a veteran of this forum you should know that we are living in the 21-st century when you can hide nothing even if Fox TV and CNN and all scoundrels of the world are on your side. Also you should know that His Majesty speaks on behalf of 200 millions of Orthodox people of Moscow Patriarchate living in Russia , Malorossia , Belorussia , Kazakhstan , Estonia, Lithuania , Latvia , Central Asia , USA , UK , Germany ect. It may escaped your memory that few years ago the split in the Russian Church has been finished and all people of the Russian World including Ossetians , Karels and other smaller nations pray for him and obey him.
Somehow I thought you already knew it. Last year we had a diplomatic conflict with Uzbekistan when Kirill appointed the local Archbishop even without consulting the government of this state. Then he went there even without informing the Uzbeks. As a Russian citizen he needs no visa while in all the religious matters he needs no advisers. Especially when he visits the clerical territory of the Russian Orthodox Church. So in some aspects his influence is even bigger than that of Mr. Putin. So he does not need to hide his dress as you say. Neither does he needs advice of a man like you …

Whatever-pusher

“… he sounds like another proponent of this "Serbia is the eternal victim" propaganda.”

Be sure as soon as we improve the status quo we’ll stop saying this ! You too better sleep with open eyes. The biggest Albanian problem is not even the master of the stolen lands but Russia. In 1999 we too were the losers ! But we are too ambitious to enter the new century with this old luggage … Got that ? So helping our brothers is just one side of the medal and best if you are always ready for the inevitable cold shower to come. Nothing and nobody is forgotten until revenged. When Putin comes only the Patriarch may stop him from this logics so be careful in your critics.

He is a victim of a terrible sense of fashion

Interesting comments, I didn't know albanians were that much better off then the "serbs in the ghetto" (as implied by his holiness and other serbs). Economically they both fall on the same level. Most of the serbs south of the ibar river are not bothered nor are the ones to the north. Is there crime: YES (both sides)! Are there incidents of young jobless people taking out their frustrations by throwing rocks: YES! Is it the serbians fault: Local serbs NO not at all! Serbia proper: YES to a large extent! Economically both people live below economic standards of past years of the former yugolsav era.

A lot of the older folks from both camps wish that era could return. And if you look at old maps of the region they were just as isolated today as they were a century ago. Communism broke down barriers and lunatics like Milosevic brought them back much more fortified then in the past.

Plenty of people to blame, but who has come up with a solution for the people of Kosovo/a? And his holiness doesn't seem interested in solving issues, such as their economic situation which is the biggest factor for their current state. There are no jobs in Kosovo/a. if people (albanian or serb) had jobs they both would be better off. Belgrade has ignored Kosovo/a for decades and whatever money was sent to build it up was stolen by communists in power at the time be it albanian or serbian.

If the older generation could only receive their rightful pensions that would be a start. If both neighbors are broke you can't call one extremist and another a victim. One: your not acknowledging that the other one is human, unless he's referring to their religious affiliation (islam as extremist). Two: they are both victims (albanian and serbs).

If you are serb and you don't like albanians so be it. That is your choice in life. One thing is not a choice is treating them as non human. When the word extremist is used, then you must be calling all albanians extremists and logically that doesn't add up. It can be proved statistically as untrue. The same applies to serbs.

Key is trying to figure out how to help the people help themselves to improve relations. The whole religion thing has to be thrown out the door. They both believe in the same God. The creator of heaven and earth.

May God bless all the people of Kosovo/a and help their kids to a brighter future where hate and violence are not a first means at resolving issues but dialogue and understanding are.

Jesus love you all :)

The argument presented by the Patriarch will be praised , glorified , condemned or ignored depending on where you stand on the issue of Kosovo - as all these views are subjective.

One thing to piont out though - is that his statements were based on post 1999 according to B92.

In order to understand the full context of emotions that govern Balkan politics , one most go beyond that date and look at the primary causes of the Balkan tragedy.

Unless the Patrirach comes out to condemn the slaughter at Srebrenica , the destruction of Vukovar , the bombing of Dubrovnik , the expuslions of non - serbs in Croatia and Bosnia pre 1995 - then his Holiness's statements cannot be viewed as independant or objective.

If the Patriarch believes that Serbs have been unjustly demonised , then in the name of truth , he must also accept that the Milosevic and the greater serbia myth carries the greater burden of guilt for the sufferings of the '90s.

Look beyone 1999 for the truth - as our great Saviour once said " remove the log form your own eye before you piont at the splinter in your brothers."

I have no doubt the Patriarchs intentions were good , but he if claims to stand up for the poor , oppressed and victimised , there are many in that region who would fit that description - and they are not Serbian.

His Holiness's voice must not remain silent on that either.

Maybe if ordinary Russians start moving to Kosovo, their church patriarch will start caring for them too. Of course, whenever he shows his head out of Putin's little pocket.

Its very amusing to see how a religious figure gets mixed up in politics that he should not be part of in the first place. It definately is no surprise to anyone that Russian religious figures are using religion to justify their Serbian children's actions of ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity committed by Serbian forces. The same types of excuses are used by Serb priests that instead of trying to influence peace and stability, they spur hatred and negative influences on the people. I am Roman Catholic and I'm ashamed to call them Christian priests. Its funny because now all of the sudden the Serbs are playing the victims? HA thats just a bunch of crap and the whole world knows it. Everyone is simply tired of Serbian oppression on different ethnic groups and that's the truth...so whatever this Russian politician thats dressed in religious clothes says is also a bunch of biased crap that doesnt help the situation in Kosovo. He needs to mind his own business and not worry about what happens in the Balkans, he needs to worry about his government's terrorism and he should be preaching peace and not distorting facts about acts of hatred against Albanians and other people of the Balkans that the WHOLE world has become aware of. Simply put, Serbs need to stop crying about Kosovo because it will never again be part of Serbia (and it shouldnt have been in the first place) and move on. If you dont like it, go back to Russia where you came from.

What exactly is Greater Serbia myth? As far as I know in former YU Slovenians wanted their ethnic state, Croats wanted their ethnic state, Bosniaks wanted even more than their ethnic state, Kalbs wanted their ethnic state, Serbs wanted their ethnic state. So why were all the other ethnic states OK, except Serbian one?
(aaayyy, 29 January 2012 23:46)

There is not now , nor has there ever been a problem with the Serb people having a state of their own. As a matter of fact , ask any Croat , Albanian , Slovene , Macedonian or Montenegrin , an I am sure they will tell you that , like themselves , Serbia can and indeed does have its own independant nation.

The problem has always arisen when the nationalists have tried to carve out a state that was historically , morally or legally , never theirs to begin with. Therein lies the cause of so much resistance to a greater serbia - becuase it has never been justified with any historical facts or evidence.Let me repeat - NEVER.

The only group that has ever claimed it was the Serbian Academy of Arts and Sciences , and they have been so discredtied that the name SANU simply illicits derision and contempt among scientific and empirical thinkers.

It was , and is for all intents and purposes - a MYTH.

Simply because idiots like Seselj and Milosevic scream one thing and inflame the most primitive part of the human psyche with fear and ignorance , doesnt automatically make it fact.

As for you quesiton as to why serbians arent allowed a state - well evidently you havnt been paying much attention to geo political events for the last 20 or so years.

Serbs do have a state , and its called "Serbia." They just werent allowed to steal anyone elses.

I hope this helps.

You have a good day now :)

With my poor English and the B92 Moderator to guard the Albanians sometimes I have problems to call spade a spade. B92 often acts like B52 burning out the very precise words to estimate some posters. They let in quite restricted lexicon like idiot or moron which very often are too diplomatic to describe what I think. That’s why I sometimes use Russian words. But unfortunately the Moderator knows Russian too and the trick does not work.

So today I fail again to appropriate comment your fuddle drunk hysteria. But please never doubt of what I think about you and your mother and the bandit folk of yours. Just be sure outside the B92 censorship I ‘ve said all the words you and your mother and your people do deserve. And best if you sleep with your eyes open cause nothing is over yet. We’ll be back.
(rote kapelle, 29 January 2012 16:45)

Mate, what are you talking about ?! Did you have a bad sleep yeasterday night because you're sounding delirious. Collect your thoughts and form some coherent sentences about the topic being discussed here.

Another example of a religious authority putting his head where it doesn't belong? I always thought the religious were supposed to enrich people spiritually, guess I was wrong. As for Greater Serbia, yes it was that that led to the eviction from Krajina, lost you Kosova for good but managed to get you RS. As for this holy man, stick to the Bible

What about people of Chechnya? Who worries about them Russian patriarch? Saudi Arabia.

"But the West was warned that Kosovo wasn't self-sustanable area, so it wouldn't fit for independence"

when was the west warned and by whom and based on what study? don't we hear on this forum everyday, by Serbs and Albanians alike that Kosovo is actually obscenely rich in natural resources? wasn't that why the West got involved in the first place (the reason given by conspiracy nuts? )

Yes the K-Serbs are victims of Serbia's geopolitical game.

The Serbian Government wants the K-Serbs to suffer so they can fuel Belgrade's anti-Kosovo political campaign on the World Stage. The Serbian Government does not care for the K-Serbs!

And what should the Serbian Government do in your opinion? You wrote that the Serbian Government kept refusing Prishtina's invitation for negotiation future Kosovo status. Your post was wrong - Prishtina never wanted to "negotiate" anything shorter than independence since 1999.
(aaayyy, 29 January 2012 23:15)

How do you know? They never even tried negotiating anything, at least Pristina wanted to negotiate unlike Belgrade. Now Serbia is the one desperate to bring the issue of "status" back to the negotiating table, but it won't happen. Belgrade has never wanted to "negotiate" anything but Serbian sovereignty over Kosovo.

First time ever a christian church talks geopolitics - or is it the Russian version of Strat..., I mean Dreamfor?

What exactly is Greater Serbia myth? As far as I know in former YU Slovenians wanted their ethnic state, Croats wanted their ethnic state, Bosniaks wanted even more than their ethnic state, Kalbs wanted their ethnic state, Serbs wanted their ethnic state. So why were all the other ethnic states OK, except Serbian one?

To zman:
You have no idea on what are you talking about. You sound as you just joined the earth and started speaking after you read few pages of Serbian propaganda.
I wish so much you were right.
Unfortenetely, you are so wrong. A normal human mind can NOT be more wrong than what you are appearing to be.

..."displacement of civilians of NATO bombings as you know but it was conveiniant to blame the Serbian for that for propaganda reasons"
I was displaced, but for sure not from NATO bombs. I had to run from Serbian paramilitary and military forces.
You try to convince me I have left Kosovo from NATO bombs.
You can convince the ones that have never been to Kosovo but not the ones that are living in here.
You know, everyone who lived in Kosovo knows for sure what was done against Kosovo Albanians before 1999. They fail and have no currage t speak the truth. One should speak the truth even if this is not convenient for you but I don't see this here.
As one who lived and lives in Kosovo I can clearly see how serbian supporters are trying to change the facts, trying to impose a situation that never existed in here.
Think, with so many (Serbian) police and military forces present in Kosovo before 1999, how could an Albanian terrorise Serbs. Albanians where kicked from their jobs, from their schools, from their houses and were considered as a second class (or maybe fourthclass) population. This is why they declared independance. This is why war started. Try to convince others in something else you will just sound stupid.
I can continue like this for long time. I am simply not interested to remind my self in all of that again.
And yeah, about Chechnya, think once again. Maybe it is beat different from what you wrotte. Tell me, kids aged 5 to 6 years old. From which intelegence service where they recruited (CIA, MI6...)?!!! There are a lot of victims aged 5 and 6...

There are no jobs in Kosovo/a. if people (albanian or serb) had jobs they both would be better off.
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But the West was warned that Kosovo wasn't self-sustanable area, so it wouldn't fit for independence, yet the West is trying to build an independent state from such an area where people don't have jobs. Why doesn't the West create jobs for them? Who else could and should do it if Kosovo is Western enterprise? One more unresponsible social experiment...

I wish no one to be under the mercy of Slavic orthodoxies: ash Chechens, Georgians and all other small non-Slavs nations there and kosova

The Serbian Government wants the K-Serbs to suffer so they can fuel Belgrade's anti-Kosovo political campaign on the World Stage. The Serbian Government does not care for the K-Serbs!
(Ian, UK, 29 January 2012 20:01)

And what should the Serbian Government do in your opinion? You wrote that the Serbian Government kept refusing Prishtina's invitation for negotiation future Kosovo status. Your post was wrong - Prishtina never wanted to "negotiate" anything shorter than independence since 1999.

Gjilanasi

I too lived in Kosovo and I know for a fact that you are a liar.. and yes some albanians were displaced as a result of the fighting between the KLA and Serbian forces..

Albanians were NOT 2nd class citizens.. This is wehre your biggest lies are.. They were calming across the border from Albania in HOARDS.. You know that.. Surely if they were 2nd rate, that woudlnt happen.. I know this for a fact because I lived for that I won't make excuse for KLA terrorists which is what you seem to be making.

Secondly are you denying that the realy heavy exodus started because of the NATO bombing?? That's a universally accepted fact by any serious scholar..

Are you denying that KLA attacked a Serbian immigrant compound and slaughtered dozens of serbs in 1996??

Are you denying the KLA was slaughtering serbian civilians as well as sniping Serbian policeman way before Milosevic send the serbian army??

again all universally accepted facts..

Are you denying that Thaci and the rest of KLA slaughtered all Kosovo albanian leaders who did not agree with them??

Are yoy denying that Thaci and the KLA leaders aren't drug dealers, ethnic cleansers, human organ trafickers?

Are you denying that every western intelligence agency had listed the KLA as a terrorist organization before they became useful against Milosevic??

Are you denying all this or is that just a myth??

Are you denying that today's Kosovo Serbs left in Kosovo were massacred from 2000 untill today in hundreds and they live in conditions worse than anything albanians lived in??

Are you denying the fact that there have been 200,000 Serbs ethnically cleansed from Kosovo and can't come back while every Albanian has come back that wanted too??

Do you really believe that NATO, the same organization that is slaughtering millions in Iraq and Afganistan, intervened because Milosevic was allegedly killing albanians?? ahaha even you must be smart enough not to believe that propaganda..

And what should the Serbian Government do in your opinion? You wrote that the Serbian Government kept refusing Prishtina's invitation for negotiation future Kosovo status. Your post was wrong - Prishtina never wanted to "negotiate" anything shorter than independence since 1999.
(aaayyy, 29 January 2012 23:15)

aaayyy,

The time for negotiating the independence of Kosova is long past. Serbia had their chance in the 1980's. Only after 1999 Serbia's only response was regressive with the pathetic reply: "more than autonomy but less than independence:. I have news for you: the horses are out of the barn!

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Avni, you are clearly clueless.. So who do you bother posting here??

The same thing that happened in Kosovo happened in Checnya.. The United States funded terorrists in Kosovo just like they are in Checnya. The KLA as you know is a terrorist organization(interpool, CIA, MI6, state department and on..) of course they were removed from the terrorist list after they started getting weapons and training from the west and started slaughtering serbian civilians/policemen.. Of course when Milosevic send the Serbian army to destoy the terrorists than the NATO started bombing becuase they knew fell too well that their little CIA bandind army would be easily crushed by the Serbian security forces. the rest is history.. The displacement of civilians of NATO bombings as you know but it was conveiniant to blame the Serbian for that for propaganda reasons.

Now onto Chechnya.. There is a plan to dismember the russian federation and one way to do that is orchestate a separatist movement which the US did but it was destroyed by Putin.. Of course the west can't intervene in Russia for "humanatarain" reasons because Russia has nukes..

One of the main chechen terrorist leaders still resides in the US and another is in UK.. Russia wants them both extradaited on terrorist charges but notihng..

and unlike Kosovo serbs, chechens are heaviliy subidized by the Russian goverment, a policy that's actually not popular with most Russians.So for you to compare what is happening in Chechnya and Kosovo shows your lack of ignorance..

It's funny you mention Saudi arabia since a lot of arab jihadists/terrorists were caught in Checnya from Saudi arabia.. I wonder who sent them there.. lol..

"I didn't know albanians were that much better off then the "serbs in the ghetto" (as implied by his holiness and other serbs). Economically they both fall on the same level."
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IMHO for Serbs in the ghetto the main problem is their security and safety.

“Our brothers in religion have a great courage and they are not leaving their suffering country and holy places, they live just like in concentration camps.”
“The Russian Orthodox Church showed and will show solidarity with the Kosovo Serbs,” the Russian patriarch concluded.”
These are not idle words from Patriarch Kirill as they show that Serbs are not alone. In fact it goes further in saying that not only does the state support Serbs but so does the Russian Church and that is something.
The wings of an expanding Russia are beginning to stretch and they have a huge span that will take in the entire Europe. The US is very busy trying to send itself broke and fighting unwinnable wars in the middle east plus supporting what they think movements upholding democracy when in fact the only thing they are supporting is radical Islam on a never before seen scale.
They are trying to contain Iran so on go the oil sanctions and like a good little soldier the EU places sanctions, but where is it going to get most of its oil you ask? Well low and behold its the Russians – gas and now oil. In the meantime the US is gambling on keeping the price of oil at relatively the same price because of Iraq and Libya.
They are counting on these countries making up production for Iran. Meanwhile Iraq is now closer than ever to Iran and Libya is a basket case with armed militias holding on to territory and there is infighting over the share of money for the sale oil.

(truthiness you are clueless.. You are spouting the same NATO propaganda used to justify the bombing.

1. There is no such thing as a "greater Serbia" That was anti-Serbian propaganda after karadzic wanted the Bosnian Serb part of Bosnia to remain part of Yugoslavia and didn't want go along with the ILLEGAL bosnian indepdence ILLEGALY declared by the NATO puppet IZETBEGOVIC.

2. Srebrencia is another hoax.. Most of the people killed there were Serbs by NAser oric.. naser oric and bosnian muslim terror gangs(fully bakced by the west) slaughtered some 3-4 thousands serbs.. Ratko Mladic luanced a counter in which he killed about 1500-2000 BOsnian Muslim Solders and about 100-200 civilians.. That's the truth.. If there was any genoncide it was against the Serbs.. No serious scholar has ever cliamed there was genocide in Srebrenica against Bonsian Muslims others the corporate media in the west and their govermnets.

Secondly what about Vukovar?? There was no geoncide..Those people shouldnt have been killed and yea it shouldnt have happened but what happened in Vukovar was happening to Serbs everhwere.. You must remember the wars were started by western backed Hitler loving fascists like Tudjman and IZetbegovic.. IZetbegovic was a convicted Nazi war criminal after WW2 or have you forgotten that??

Do you need to spout more lies for me to correct?

NIKOLLE, once again i have to point out your extremism. You are flat out ignorrant when it comes to anything that is not muslim or albanian. Kosovo is going to be ours again, and within a decade. The allies the albanians share are all getting weaker by the day, and soon they wont care to protect them anymore. The k albanian leadedrship is a criminal enterprise on the way down. Now you can make up the perfect lie to respond to this.

They are all, inshallah, democrats, freethinkers and very-very proggressive folks now.
Have always views what suit them the best. To bad, they don't stay at what they can do the best: pizza and donkey breeding.

What a shameless game by Mr. Kirill. It seems Putin doesn't only control the politics in Russia, he also controls the church! If Kirill is so concerned about Orthodox people in the world, why has he never visited us Orthodox Albanians in Albania?? He has been to Kosovo and it would not be too hard to come to Albania from there... It seems that being seen with Orthodox Albanians would not fit well with his political goal of portraying Albanians as radical anti-Cristian Muslims. It is really sad to see religious leaders reduce themselves to little tools in the hands of politicians.

How do you know? They never even tried negotiating anything, at least Pristina wanted to negotiate unlike Belgrade. Now Serbia is the one desperate to bring the issue of "status" back to the negotiating table, but it won't happen. Belgrade has never wanted to "negotiate" anything but Serbian sovereignty over Kosovo.
(Ian, UK, 30 January 2012 16:57)

The best strategy is currently being implemented and that is choke Kosovo until it implodes and Serbia is doing a first class job of that too. Why do you think that the EU is so desperate to “have Belgrade negotiate with Pristina?”

The EU sees that the region is on the verge of imploding and it does not want dedicate any more meagre resources to an existing situation that should have been resolved in 1999. The EU wants freedom of movement for the Albanians so that they can search for jobs so they are putting that condition on Serbia’s entry into the EU. They also want Serbia to open up job opportunities for the Albanians as little by little industry open up in Serbia.

But what I find most curious is that Albanians have no qualms in going into Serbia proper to look for work despite suffering “genocide” from the Serbs – me thinks something is terribly rotten in Denmark”.

All the Serbia has to do is sit and wait.


The time for negotiating the independence of Kosova is long past. Serbia had their chance in the 1980's. Only after 1999 Serbia's only response was regressive with the pathetic reply: "more than autonomy but less than independence:. I have news for you: the horses are out of the barn!

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(The Count of Kosova, 30 January 2012 15:40)

The only horse that has bolted is an independent Kosovo. There will be no more talk of more autonomy but less than independence as the EU/US are failing entities and they can’t support your lot because they produce NOTHING except people with mouths to feed.

As I said earlier the EU now not only has to buy gas from the Russians but its now oil. Think for a moment; would cessation of industry be worth the Albanians? The EU has already begun to seel your lot out. It all wrapped up in the negotiations between Belgrade and Pristina – why are they forcing Thaci to accept Belgrade’s demands but Belgrade never implements any of those so called agreements.

"This patriatric went to Syria to meet with their mufti and provide them with support because Syria is being attacked by western funded terorists like Serbia was.. It's not abot religion.."
(zman, 31 January 2012 02:03

So Syria is being attacked by western funded terorists and Assad is right in butchering these terrorists. Milosevic was also right in protecting Serbia from western funded terorists in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. I have no comments... your pure existence is a threat to humanity.

@ Peggy
What do you mean by being more Orthodox? Does this mean being more pro-Serb and pro-Russian? I thought our religion was supposed to teach us tolerance and compassion, not ethnic/political alliances. The Albanian Orthodox Church has been part of the Patriarch of Constantinople for a long time and Kirill has worked with them several times in Constantinople. Why would he not feel welcome to visit?

Second, being from Albania I know very well our "brotherly love" with the Russians during communism. How old are you Peggy? Your comments seem a bit naive...

"So you see, being Orthodox from Albania means NOTHING to the rest of us Orthodox, from anywhere"

yes peggy, we know. just like being slavic means nothing to serbs, after all bosnians and croats are slavic too and you had no problems murdering them. your church peggy has done a lot more harm than good and most of that has been inflicted on its own flock. it wont bother them of course, they have warm blankets to cover themselves with. it will bother the serbs of krajina however, who have been made refugees of unnecesarily

"How do you know? They never even tried negotiating anything, at least Pristina wanted to negotiate unlike Belgrade."
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Ian, how do YOU know? Did you little "refugee" family from Kosovo tell you you that? You know, the family who could not speak English and you being a Brit learned fast enough to speak to them in the own language.
Just come clean and admit you have Albanian blood running through you veins, because NOBODY and I mean nobody learns to speak Albanian unless they are. How else could you understand a poor little immigrant family from Kosovo who don't speak English?

You show us where and when Serbia has refused to speak to Albanians and while you are at it also show us when were Albanians mistreated and therefore forced to form KLA a terrorist organisation which started murdering Serbs. Did you little "refugee" family tell you all that or are you just following western propaganda because it suits you?

You must have not read the news for 10 years.
(icj1, 31 January 2012 03:20)

For some Serbianna is the only source of news. So what do you expect from them?

@ Peggy,
Of course we Orthodox Albanians feel more close to our Catholic and Mulsim brothers.We speak the same language,married each other and we have fought together.
But seeing that orthodox Albanians are being treated as second class citizens in Greece for example and in other Orthodox countries,just because they are Albanian,of course we will not feel confortable listening your priests blessing solders to kill more and more Albanians.
Catholic Albanians have suffered from serbs the same way as Muslims.
We as orthodox have suffered more from "our greeks brothers" than from turks.
Thusand of albanian orthodox were killed from greeks before 1912, just because they used to teach albanian to little kids.My grandfather village was burn down in 1916 from greeks because they were surprised that orthodoxs didnt know greek but albanian.So they kicked us out and burn the village.
Albanian orthodox were the first to be in Albanian Renaissance,the first ones to fight in two fronts one turks and the other greeks.We were active in National Liberation War and in democratic movements in Albania.Not to mention Scanderbeg and his orthodox albanian wife,Donika.

Excluding Orthodox Albanians from Albania is like cutting someones head.
Btw we were cristians since 1 cantury when Saint Paul visited Greece and Albania.At the time you guys were somewhere in Russia.Sad but true!

Patriarch
Please stick to what you get big chunk of money for, and that is the church job.

sj

oh dear, wishful thinking yet again. does Serbia have the financial capacity to 'choke' Kosova? have you not read the economic peril the 'Empire of Heaven' finds itself in? you know how much this policy has cost Serbia thus far? 16 EURO's per second....guess if the return on that is positive or negative :) still if being bankrupt is official state policy I say keep at it

Secondly are you denying that the realy heavy exodus started because of the NATO bombing?? That's a universally accepted fact by any serious scholar..
(zman, 30 January 2012 19:16)

Not sure who your "scholars" are dear, but the fact that the Serbian Army was responsible for the displacement of people in 1999 in Kosovo has been proven beyond resonable doubt in a judicial decision 10 yrs ago in a court of law set up by Russia, China and others. You must have not read the news for 10 years.

"What a shameless game by Mr. Kirill. It seems Putin doesn't only control the politics in Russia, he also controls the church! If Kirill is so concerned about Orthodox people in the world, why has he never visited us Orthodox Albanians in Albania?"
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First of all Putin doesn't have to tell the patriarch anything. He knows how much Russians love Serbs and how close we are. Why do you think Putin has anything to do with people who feel brotherly love for one another?

Second, maybe if Orthodox people in Albania were more Orthodox and less inclined to put their other religion "Albanianism" as you call it first, then he might feel welcome to visit.

zman

perhaps you'll be telling me next that WW2 was acted out in Berlin movie studios. with conspiracy theories like yours, who needs to history right? have you anything to say about the Kennedy assassination? did albanians have a hand in that one too?

@ Peggy
Here is some more food for thought for you. Kirill visited Assad in Syria at a time when Assad was butchering thousands of his own people. Will you tell me this visit was due to the "brotherly love" between Russians and Syrians?

Why would Kirill feel more welcome to visit Syria than Albania? Could it be because Syria's port of Tartus is now the only naval base Russia has outside the former Soviet Union? Could it be because Syria is a major customer for the Russian arms industries?

My dear little Peggy, there is more to geopolitics than "brotherly love" and "Orthodox alliances". Kirill is just doing his master Putin's work. He is not a religious leader, he is a political tool. It is funny that this same patriarch complains about geopolitical games.

(Niko, 1 February 2012 04:22)

Niko, please keep in mind that Peggy was a regular contributor to Serbianna...

ivan

erm, let us get something straight, i am NOT a muslim. in actual fact, i am born into a catholic albanian family in kosovo. we used to congregate in the albanian church that was located in the small market in prishtina. now though, i am a flat pout atheist with ZERO beliefs in Jesus, or any other prophet for that matter. i was born, raised and still live in Kosovo. i am VERY familiar with how it was back then and how it is back now. i do not need you to educate me on matters that i have experienced first hand. i will ask you thisa too, who told the west that kosovo could not sustain itself and what did they base their findings on?

aaayyy,

The time for negotiating the independence of Kosova is long past. Serbia had their chance in the 1980's. Only after 1999 Serbia's only response was regressive with the pathetic reply: "more than autonomy but less than independence:. I have news for you: the horses are out of the barn!

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(The Count of Kosova, 30 January 2012 15:40)

I hope Ian will read your post. I understand what you write, but Ian doesn't and keeps saying that Prishtina tried very hard to negotiate Kosovo status with Serbia from 1999 to 2008, but was completely ignored by Beograde. I tried to convince Ian he was wrong, but he didn't believe me. May be he will believe you.

Niko you are a tool.

This patriatric went to Syria to meet with their mufti and provide them with support because Syria is being attacked by western funded terorists like Serbia was.. It's not abot religion..

The wings of an expanding Russia are beginning to stretch and they have a huge span that will take in the entire Europe.
(sj, 30 January 2012 09:55)

Expanding ?! By shrinking by hundreds of thousands of people a year ! Expanding and shrinking are not synonyms, dear :)
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The US is very busy trying to send itself broke and fighting unwinnable wars in the middle east plus supporting what they think movements upholding democracy when in fact the only thing they are supporting is radical Islam on a never before seen scale.
(sj, 30 January 2012 09:55)

Even though the Americans highly value your deep concern for them, don’t worry very much. They already achieved their objectives for Bin Laden and Sadam and ended/ending those wars.
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They are trying to contain Iran so on go the oil sanctions and like a good little soldier the EU places sanctions, but where is it going to get most of its oil you ask? Well low and behold its the Russians – gas and now oil.
(sj, 30 January 2012 09:55)

And Saudi Arabia, etc… whoever offers to lowest price.
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They are counting on these countries making up production for Iran. Meanwhile Iraq is now closer than ever to Iran and Libya is a basket case with armed militias holding on to territory and there is infighting over the share of money for the sale oil.
(sj, 30 January 2012 09:55)

No Iraq is not safe… why go through that trouble. Saudi Arabia is much better and has much more oil than Iraq.

Peggy

....yes, cause Serbs being such a staunch Orthodox nation has really been good for their neighbors these past 20 years hasn't it? funnily enough it hasn't been good for the Serbs of Krajina either, you know, to be played by their priests like that

No the terrorists were in Kosovo and bosnia.. The separatists/fascists were in Croatia.. You know Tudjman openly praises hitler in his books.. I'm sure you know all that.. The KLA was listed as a terrorist organization by EVERY intelligence agency.. But you didn't dispute that, because you very well know that to be the truth..

and no the mass exodus started during the NATO bombing.. Like I said no serious scholar claims otherwise.. Neither do the albanian people, they openly gave interviews saying they were fleeing the NATO bombing.. There was no possible negotiations with the KLA.. they had 100% support to slaughter serbian policeman and NATO would not accept anything than Kosovo independence so it can have a puppet state/military base there..

Dont you know anything about the Rambouillet Agreement?? Milosevic accepted ALL OF THEIR TERMS except for one which was the TOTAL surrender of all what remained of Yugoslavia to foreign occupation..

In fact Milosevic was the only one offering a peaceful solution, he said yes to UN peacekeeeping troop in Kosovo but Kosovo would remain part of Serbia.. Once again that was rejected by NATO powers.. and of course the bombing started of all Yugoslavia.. Everything not owned by foreing corporations was knocked out..

Now I see you didn't dispute, because you it's the truth.

For the love of god how can someone believe that a mass slaughtering alliance like NATO cares about saving lives of Albanians.. ahahah

@ Peggy
"Our ways and aggression"?? You make me laugh :) Funny how you seem to forget your own history of aggression. Unlike during your earlier aggressions, there is uncontestable proof nowadays. You might chose to forget, but the world knows!
"Nobody else likes Albanians"? Really? Sounds like you made such a scientific discovery full of credible evidence... Well, I happen to know quite a few of your "Orthodox brothers" who don't like you. They come from Bulgaria, Romania, even Greece. So as I see it, apart from the West and every other religion, even your own don't like you.

Niko, Mirel and the rest, you have just confirmed what I said. You have said openly that you are more Albanian than Orthodox. I was right, you guys practice "Albanianism" and that is why you are overlooked and ignored by the rest of the Orthodox.
Tell me, which other Orthodox church has anything to do with you. Which other Orthodox people want anything to do with you? None, nobody and you wonder why. We are all separate Orthodox churches and yet we all get along except for "Albanianism' church. The rest of us might have minor differences in certain things but we all agree on one thing: no Albanians are tolerated because of your ways and aggression. Nobody else likes you. Sure, Macedonia and Montenegro recognised you. Big deal. The people don't like you at all. It's all political.

So you see, being Orthodox from Albania means NOTHING to the rest of us Orthodox, from anywhere.

Oh God! I never knew that international political policies were part of your job description. Why don't you join the ICO while you're at it?! Do us all a favour and look after the victims of the most corrupt regime in the "western" world and stop meddling in other peoples backyards. We all know your role and the likes of you in all those crimes taken place since 1990.

(icj1, 31 January 2012 03:15)


“Expanding ?! By shrinking by hundreds of thousands of people a year ! Expanding and shrinking are not synonyms, dear :”

Population numbers are very easy to correct as it only requires money and soon Moscow will have tonnes of that.

“Even though the Americans highly value your deep concern for them, don’t worry very much. They already achieved their objectives for Bin Laden and Sadam and ended/ending those wars. “

Ah yes objective achieved – a bit like shooting one’s foot off to make a point eh? The US spent trillions to get two people. If it makes you happy you continue to think that way.

“And Saudi Arabia, etc… whoever offers to lowest price. “

When the straits of Hormuz are closed or there is tension then how many tankers will pass safely???? It’s already been stated that the EU will source more than 40% of its oils needs from Russia. This is a fact not idle speculation.

“No Iraq is not safe… why go through that trouble. Saudi Arabia is much better and has much more oil than Iraq.”

If only life was as easy as that. If Iraq and Libya do not increase production and sanctions are placed on Iran I can assure you that Saudi Arabia cannot meet those shortfalls nor can it stop from the price of oil increasing substantially. Now once the price of oil increases it then sends fragile economies further into recession.

Population numbers are very easy to correct as it only requires money and soon Moscow will have tonnes of that.
(sj, 1 February 2012 03:19)

“Will” ?!… I think you are wrong. Somebody called sj in these forums has already performed brilliant economic and financial analysis and concluded that Russia is one of the strongest countries in the world economically and financially.
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Ah yes objective achieved – a bit like shooting one’s foot off to make a point eh? The US spent trillions to get two people. If it makes you happy you continue to think that way.
(sj, 1 February 2012 03:19)

Of course it makes me happy, since it was not me paying for having somebody like Bin Laden reposing at the bottom of the ocean :)
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When the straits of Hormuz are closed or there is tension then how many tankers will pass safely???? It’s already been stated that the EU will source more than 40% of its oils needs from Russia. This is a fact not idle speculation.
(sj, 1 February 2012 03:19)

That’s can’t happen. China will not be happy because most if its oil passes from the strait of Hormuz and as your analysis has shown China is so powerful that will not let than happen.
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If only life was as easy as that. If Iraq and Libya do not increase production and sanctions are placed on Iran I can assure you that Saudi Arabia cannot meet those shortfalls nor can it stop from the price of oil increasing substantially. Now once the price of oil increases it then sends fragile economies further into recession.
(sj, 1 February 2012 03:19)

The Saudis have already said they can meet the shortfall. They have enough spare capacity. But, by all means, go ahead and convince them that they can’t. As always I trust you because your unparalleled news sources have never been wrong in the past. So certainly you know it much better than the Saudis themselves.

icj-pusher

With my poor English and the B92 Moderator to guard the Albanians sometimes I have problems to call spade a spade. B92 often acts like B52 burning out the very precise words to estimate some posters. They let in quite restricted lexicon like idiot or moron which very often are too diplomatic to describe what I think. That’s why I sometimes use Russian words. But unfortunately the Moderator knows Russian too and the trick does not work.

So today I fail again to appropriate comment your fuddle drunk hysteria. But please never doubt of what I think about you and your mother and the bandit folk of yours. Just be sure outside the B92 censorship I ‘ve said all the words you and your mother and your people do deserve. And best if you sleep with your eyes open cause nothing is over yet. We’ll be back.

ardi asllani-pusher

“… ordinary Russian is starving to death, have no right to speak or express their opinion…”

Thank you for your short comment cause it seems that you use part of the traffic for your own needs. And in this case your diamond ring comment could be even more idiotic than the average level kept up by the Albans here. What is worse it could be long. So I thank you for shortening the idiotism. In such small dozes we can bear it. As a professional you should know that over dozing is always fatal.

EA-pusher

“ How does he know that ? Is he a judge, jury ? “

As a veteran of this forum you should know that we are living in the 21-st century when you can hide nothing even if Fox TV and CNN and all scoundrels of the world are on your side. Also you should know that His Majesty speaks on behalf of 200 millions of Orthodox people of Moscow Patriarchate living in Russia , Malorossia , Belorussia , Kazakhstan , Estonia, Lithuania , Latvia , Central Asia , USA , UK , Germany ect. It may escaped your memory that few years ago the split in the Russian Church has been finished and all people of the Russian World including Ossetians , Karels and other smaller nations pray for him and obey him.
Somehow I thought you already knew it. Last year we had a diplomatic conflict with Uzbekistan when Kirill appointed the local Archbishop even without consulting the government of this state. Then he went there even without informing the Uzbeks. As a Russian citizen he needs no visa while in all the religious matters he needs no advisers. Especially when he visits the clerical territory of the Russian Orthodox Church. So in some aspects his influence is even bigger than that of Mr. Putin. So he does not need to hide his dress as you say. Neither does he needs advice of a man like you …

Whatever-pusher

“… he sounds like another proponent of this "Serbia is the eternal victim" propaganda.”

Be sure as soon as we improve the status quo we’ll stop saying this ! You too better sleep with open eyes. The biggest Albanian problem is not even the master of the stolen lands but Russia. In 1999 we too were the losers ! But we are too ambitious to enter the new century with this old luggage … Got that ? So helping our brothers is just one side of the medal and best if you are always ready for the inevitable cold shower to come. Nothing and nobody is forgotten until revenged. When Putin comes only the Patriarch may stop him from this logics so be careful in your critics.

They are not even given a basic right to life,” Kirill stressed.


This Kirril bogeyman must be talking about his own people right on the back of his own church, where ordinary Russian is starving to death, have no right to speak or express their opinion.

What that man says has not much to do with christianity any longer. It is inexcusable to that he tries to twist history around and on top of it sees Serbia as the victims of the what happened in the 90's. From the way he talks you can think he is a member of a radical islam sect, but not a member of a christian church.

“With an indifferent attitude of many states they are forced to live in closed enclaves, feeling the everyday concern due to hostile environment. Our brothers in religion have a great courage and they are not leaving their suffering country and holy places, they live just like in concentration camps. They are not even given a basic right to life,” Kirill stressed.

“Here we see the unacceptable injustice, double standards and lies of the policy that declares commitment to ideals of humanism, protection of human rights and turns a blind eye before the hell that the extremists have created with help from their sponsors from abroad,” he explained. '

Thank you, everything the Patriarch said is true, and I hope the West is listening. I only wish that the Serbian government would say this, but what do you expect when they were put in place by the NATO war criminals.

God bless.

The only people that buy the lies & propaganda of America in today's day and age are the Albanians.

“western media had been publishing intentionally twisted information about the Milošević regime’s atrocities against Kosovo Albanians by exaggerating the number of victims of ethnic cleansing carried out by the Serbian police in the province“.

How does he know that? Is he a judge, jury? Was he living in Kosovo where all the above might or might not have happened? He could be "good Serbian" polititian though hiding behind the religious dress.

And a mayor player in this game is Russia. But at least he sounds like another proponent of this "Serbia is the eternal victim" propaganda. And the Serbs are even buying it! Proud to be a victim? How disturbed must one be?

Are some correspondents seriously questioning that gross exaggerations occurred in the run-up to the NATO bombing campaign on Serb civilians, a war crime in itself? Not many in the West anymore claim 100,000 Albanians were killed as Madeline Albright asserted. But even if couldn't think past the propaganda, the Patriarch is accurately describing the precarious situation of his brothers, is welcome among the Serbs of Kosovo and is in the forefront of providing humanitarian aid. He is not anti-islamic and has good relations with Islamic clergy around the world. And by the way, anti-Serb bigots, the Orthodox charities( I am a donor) operating in Kosovo also provide humanitarian relief to Albanians! God bless the Patriarch and his good work. Sorry, anti-Serb bigots, the Kosovo Serbs are there to stay and have outlasted the monstrous NATO!

"Russian Orthodox Church Patriarch Kirill has stated that Kosovo Serbs are hostages of a great geopolitical game"

Yes, we finally received confirmation from the representative of God :) of what we've been saying for a long time in these forums. Russia just sees Kosovo Serbs as cheap disposable pieces in its geopolitical game with the West. When it's for real we all saw how much Russia cares for Kosovo Serbs with the famous passports episode :).

They are all, inshallah, democrats, freethinkers and very-very proggressive folks now.
Have always views what suit them the best. To bad, they don't stay at what they can do the best: pizza and donkey breeding.

Thank you, everything the Patriarch said is true, and I hope the West is listening. I only wish that the Serbian government would say this, but what do you expect when they were put in place by the NATO war criminals.
(Dragan, 29 January 2012 14:35)

I suggest you watch the movie; "Zone of the Dead". Serbia self made of zombies. I really liked the movie in its entire context.

What exactly is Greater Serbia myth? As far as I know in former YU Slovenians wanted their ethnic state, Croats wanted their ethnic state, Bosniaks wanted even more than their ethnic state, Kalbs wanted their ethnic state, Serbs wanted their ethnic state. So why were all the other ethnic states OK, except Serbian one?

He is a victim of a terrible sense of fashion

Avni, you are clearly clueless.. So who do you bother posting here??

The same thing that happened in Kosovo happened in Checnya.. The United States funded terorrists in Kosovo just like they are in Checnya. The KLA as you know is a terrorist organization(interpool, CIA, MI6, state department and on..) of course they were removed from the terrorist list after they started getting weapons and training from the west and started slaughtering serbian civilians/policemen.. Of course when Milosevic send the Serbian army to destoy the terrorists than the NATO started bombing becuase they knew fell too well that their little CIA bandind army would be easily crushed by the Serbian security forces. the rest is history.. The displacement of civilians of NATO bombings as you know but it was conveiniant to blame the Serbian for that for propaganda reasons.

Now onto Chechnya.. There is a plan to dismember the russian federation and one way to do that is orchestate a separatist movement which the US did but it was destroyed by Putin.. Of course the west can't intervene in Russia for "humanatarain" reasons because Russia has nukes..

One of the main chechen terrorist leaders still resides in the US and another is in UK.. Russia wants them both extradaited on terrorist charges but notihng..

and unlike Kosovo serbs, chechens are heaviliy subidized by the Russian goverment, a policy that's actually not popular with most Russians.So for you to compare what is happening in Chechnya and Kosovo shows your lack of ignorance..

It's funny you mention Saudi arabia since a lot of arab jihadists/terrorists were caught in Checnya from Saudi arabia.. I wonder who sent them there.. lol..

The Serbian Government wants the K-Serbs to suffer so they can fuel Belgrade's anti-Kosovo political campaign on the World Stage. The Serbian Government does not care for the K-Serbs!
(Ian, UK, 29 January 2012 20:01)

And what should the Serbian Government do in your opinion? You wrote that the Serbian Government kept refusing Prishtina's invitation for negotiation future Kosovo status. Your post was wrong - Prishtina never wanted to "negotiate" anything shorter than independence since 1999.

There are no jobs in Kosovo/a. if people (albanian or serb) had jobs they both would be better off.
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But the West was warned that Kosovo wasn't self-sustanable area, so it wouldn't fit for independence, yet the West is trying to build an independent state from such an area where people don't have jobs. Why doesn't the West create jobs for them? Who else could and should do it if Kosovo is Western enterprise? One more unresponsible social experiment...

What about people of Chechnya? Who worries about them Russian patriarch? Saudi Arabia.

(truthiness you are clueless.. You are spouting the same NATO propaganda used to justify the bombing.

1. There is no such thing as a "greater Serbia" That was anti-Serbian propaganda after karadzic wanted the Bosnian Serb part of Bosnia to remain part of Yugoslavia and didn't want go along with the ILLEGAL bosnian indepdence ILLEGALY declared by the NATO puppet IZETBEGOVIC.

2. Srebrencia is another hoax.. Most of the people killed there were Serbs by NAser oric.. naser oric and bosnian muslim terror gangs(fully bakced by the west) slaughtered some 3-4 thousands serbs.. Ratko Mladic luanced a counter in which he killed about 1500-2000 BOsnian Muslim Solders and about 100-200 civilians.. That's the truth.. If there was any genoncide it was against the Serbs.. No serious scholar has ever cliamed there was genocide in Srebrenica against Bonsian Muslims others the corporate media in the west and their govermnets.

Secondly what about Vukovar?? There was no geoncide..Those people shouldnt have been killed and yea it shouldnt have happened but what happened in Vukovar was happening to Serbs everhwere.. You must remember the wars were started by western backed Hitler loving fascists like Tudjman and IZetbegovic.. IZetbegovic was a convicted Nazi war criminal after WW2 or have you forgotten that??

Do you need to spout more lies for me to correct?

“Our brothers in religion have a great courage and they are not leaving their suffering country and holy places, they live just like in concentration camps.”
“The Russian Orthodox Church showed and will show solidarity with the Kosovo Serbs,” the Russian patriarch concluded.”
These are not idle words from Patriarch Kirill as they show that Serbs are not alone. In fact it goes further in saying that not only does the state support Serbs but so does the Russian Church and that is something.
The wings of an expanding Russia are beginning to stretch and they have a huge span that will take in the entire Europe. The US is very busy trying to send itself broke and fighting unwinnable wars in the middle east plus supporting what they think movements upholding democracy when in fact the only thing they are supporting is radical Islam on a never before seen scale.
They are trying to contain Iran so on go the oil sanctions and like a good little soldier the EU places sanctions, but where is it going to get most of its oil you ask? Well low and behold its the Russians – gas and now oil. In the meantime the US is gambling on keeping the price of oil at relatively the same price because of Iraq and Libya.
They are counting on these countries making up production for Iran. Meanwhile Iraq is now closer than ever to Iran and Libya is a basket case with armed militias holding on to territory and there is infighting over the share of money for the sale oil.

Its very amusing to see how a religious figure gets mixed up in politics that he should not be part of in the first place. It definately is no surprise to anyone that Russian religious figures are using religion to justify their Serbian children's actions of ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity committed by Serbian forces. The same types of excuses are used by Serb priests that instead of trying to influence peace and stability, they spur hatred and negative influences on the people. I am Roman Catholic and I'm ashamed to call them Christian priests. Its funny because now all of the sudden the Serbs are playing the victims? HA thats just a bunch of crap and the whole world knows it. Everyone is simply tired of Serbian oppression on different ethnic groups and that's the truth...so whatever this Russian politician thats dressed in religious clothes says is also a bunch of biased crap that doesnt help the situation in Kosovo. He needs to mind his own business and not worry about what happens in the Balkans, he needs to worry about his government's terrorism and he should be preaching peace and not distorting facts about acts of hatred against Albanians and other people of the Balkans that the WHOLE world has become aware of. Simply put, Serbs need to stop crying about Kosovo because it will never again be part of Serbia (and it shouldnt have been in the first place) and move on. If you dont like it, go back to Russia where you came from.

First time ever a christian church talks geopolitics - or is it the Russian version of Strat..., I mean Dreamfor?

Maybe if ordinary Russians start moving to Kosovo, their church patriarch will start caring for them too. Of course, whenever he shows his head out of Putin's little pocket.

"I didn't know albanians were that much better off then the "serbs in the ghetto" (as implied by his holiness and other serbs). Economically they both fall on the same level."
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IMHO for Serbs in the ghetto the main problem is their security and safety.

The argument presented by the Patriarch will be praised , glorified , condemned or ignored depending on where you stand on the issue of Kosovo - as all these views are subjective.

One thing to piont out though - is that his statements were based on post 1999 according to B92.

In order to understand the full context of emotions that govern Balkan politics , one most go beyond that date and look at the primary causes of the Balkan tragedy.

Unless the Patrirach comes out to condemn the slaughter at Srebrenica , the destruction of Vukovar , the bombing of Dubrovnik , the expuslions of non - serbs in Croatia and Bosnia pre 1995 - then his Holiness's statements cannot be viewed as independant or objective.

If the Patriarch believes that Serbs have been unjustly demonised , then in the name of truth , he must also accept that the Milosevic and the greater serbia myth carries the greater burden of guilt for the sufferings of the '90s.

Look beyone 1999 for the truth - as our great Saviour once said " remove the log form your own eye before you piont at the splinter in your brothers."

I have no doubt the Patriarchs intentions were good , but he if claims to stand up for the poor , oppressed and victimised , there are many in that region who would fit that description - and they are not Serbian.

His Holiness's voice must not remain silent on that either.

With my poor English and the B92 Moderator to guard the Albanians sometimes I have problems to call spade a spade. B92 often acts like B52 burning out the very precise words to estimate some posters. They let in quite restricted lexicon like idiot or moron which very often are too diplomatic to describe what I think. That’s why I sometimes use Russian words. But unfortunately the Moderator knows Russian too and the trick does not work.

So today I fail again to appropriate comment your fuddle drunk hysteria. But please never doubt of what I think about you and your mother and the bandit folk of yours. Just be sure outside the B92 censorship I ‘ve said all the words you and your mother and your people do deserve. And best if you sleep with your eyes open cause nothing is over yet. We’ll be back.
(rote kapelle, 29 January 2012 16:45)

Mate, what are you talking about ?! Did you have a bad sleep yeasterday night because you're sounding delirious. Collect your thoughts and form some coherent sentences about the topic being discussed here.

"How do you know? They never even tried negotiating anything, at least Pristina wanted to negotiate unlike Belgrade."
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Ian, how do YOU know? Did you little "refugee" family from Kosovo tell you you that? You know, the family who could not speak English and you being a Brit learned fast enough to speak to them in the own language.
Just come clean and admit you have Albanian blood running through you veins, because NOBODY and I mean nobody learns to speak Albanian unless they are. How else could you understand a poor little immigrant family from Kosovo who don't speak English?

You show us where and when Serbia has refused to speak to Albanians and while you are at it also show us when were Albanians mistreated and therefore forced to form KLA a terrorist organisation which started murdering Serbs. Did you little "refugee" family tell you all that or are you just following western propaganda because it suits you?

And what should the Serbian Government do in your opinion? You wrote that the Serbian Government kept refusing Prishtina's invitation for negotiation future Kosovo status. Your post was wrong - Prishtina never wanted to "negotiate" anything shorter than independence since 1999.
(aaayyy, 29 January 2012 23:15)

How do you know? They never even tried negotiating anything, at least Pristina wanted to negotiate unlike Belgrade. Now Serbia is the one desperate to bring the issue of "status" back to the negotiating table, but it won't happen. Belgrade has never wanted to "negotiate" anything but Serbian sovereignty over Kosovo.

NIKOLLE, once again i have to point out your extremism. You are flat out ignorrant when it comes to anything that is not muslim or albanian. Kosovo is going to be ours again, and within a decade. The allies the albanians share are all getting weaker by the day, and soon they wont care to protect them anymore. The k albanian leadedrship is a criminal enterprise on the way down. Now you can make up the perfect lie to respond to this.

To zman:
You have no idea on what are you talking about. You sound as you just joined the earth and started speaking after you read few pages of Serbian propaganda.
I wish so much you were right.
Unfortenetely, you are so wrong. A normal human mind can NOT be more wrong than what you are appearing to be.

..."displacement of civilians of NATO bombings as you know but it was conveiniant to blame the Serbian for that for propaganda reasons"
I was displaced, but for sure not from NATO bombs. I had to run from Serbian paramilitary and military forces.
You try to convince me I have left Kosovo from NATO bombs.
You can convince the ones that have never been to Kosovo but not the ones that are living in here.
You know, everyone who lived in Kosovo knows for sure what was done against Kosovo Albanians before 1999. They fail and have no currage t speak the truth. One should speak the truth even if this is not convenient for you but I don't see this here.
As one who lived and lives in Kosovo I can clearly see how serbian supporters are trying to change the facts, trying to impose a situation that never existed in here.
Think, with so many (Serbian) police and military forces present in Kosovo before 1999, how could an Albanian terrorise Serbs. Albanians where kicked from their jobs, from their schools, from their houses and were considered as a second class (or maybe fourthclass) population. This is why they declared independance. This is why war started. Try to convince others in something else you will just sound stupid.
I can continue like this for long time. I am simply not interested to remind my self in all of that again.
And yeah, about Chechnya, think once again. Maybe it is beat different from what you wrotte. Tell me, kids aged 5 to 6 years old. From which intelegence service where they recruited (CIA, MI6...)?!!! There are a lot of victims aged 5 and 6...

"What a shameless game by Mr. Kirill. It seems Putin doesn't only control the politics in Russia, he also controls the church! If Kirill is so concerned about Orthodox people in the world, why has he never visited us Orthodox Albanians in Albania?"
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First of all Putin doesn't have to tell the patriarch anything. He knows how much Russians love Serbs and how close we are. Why do you think Putin has anything to do with people who feel brotherly love for one another?

Second, maybe if Orthodox people in Albania were more Orthodox and less inclined to put their other religion "Albanianism" as you call it first, then he might feel welcome to visit.

Yes the K-Serbs are victims of Serbia's geopolitical game.

The Serbian Government wants the K-Serbs to suffer so they can fuel Belgrade's anti-Kosovo political campaign on the World Stage. The Serbian Government does not care for the K-Serbs!

What exactly is Greater Serbia myth? As far as I know in former YU Slovenians wanted their ethnic state, Croats wanted their ethnic state, Bosniaks wanted even more than their ethnic state, Kalbs wanted their ethnic state, Serbs wanted their ethnic state. So why were all the other ethnic states OK, except Serbian one?
(aaayyy, 29 January 2012 23:46)

There is not now , nor has there ever been a problem with the Serb people having a state of their own. As a matter of fact , ask any Croat , Albanian , Slovene , Macedonian or Montenegrin , an I am sure they will tell you that , like themselves , Serbia can and indeed does have its own independant nation.

The problem has always arisen when the nationalists have tried to carve out a state that was historically , morally or legally , never theirs to begin with. Therein lies the cause of so much resistance to a greater serbia - becuase it has never been justified with any historical facts or evidence.Let me repeat - NEVER.

The only group that has ever claimed it was the Serbian Academy of Arts and Sciences , and they have been so discredtied that the name SANU simply illicits derision and contempt among scientific and empirical thinkers.

It was , and is for all intents and purposes - a MYTH.

Simply because idiots like Seselj and Milosevic scream one thing and inflame the most primitive part of the human psyche with fear and ignorance , doesnt automatically make it fact.

As for you quesiton as to why serbians arent allowed a state - well evidently you havnt been paying much attention to geo political events for the last 20 or so years.

Serbs do have a state , and its called "Serbia." They just werent allowed to steal anyone elses.

I hope this helps.

You have a good day now :)

I wish no one to be under the mercy of Slavic orthodoxies: ash Chechens, Georgians and all other small non-Slavs nations there and kosova

"But the West was warned that Kosovo wasn't self-sustanable area, so it wouldn't fit for independence"

when was the west warned and by whom and based on what study? don't we hear on this forum everyday, by Serbs and Albanians alike that Kosovo is actually obscenely rich in natural resources? wasn't that why the West got involved in the first place (the reason given by conspiracy nuts? )

And what should the Serbian Government do in your opinion? You wrote that the Serbian Government kept refusing Prishtina's invitation for negotiation future Kosovo status. Your post was wrong - Prishtina never wanted to "negotiate" anything shorter than independence since 1999.
(aaayyy, 29 January 2012 23:15)

aaayyy,

The time for negotiating the independence of Kosova is long past. Serbia had their chance in the 1980's. Only after 1999 Serbia's only response was regressive with the pathetic reply: "more than autonomy but less than independence:. I have news for you: the horses are out of the barn!

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Gjilanasi

I too lived in Kosovo and I know for a fact that you are a liar.. and yes some albanians were displaced as a result of the fighting between the KLA and Serbian forces..

Albanians were NOT 2nd class citizens.. This is wehre your biggest lies are.. They were calming across the border from Albania in HOARDS.. You know that.. Surely if they were 2nd rate, that woudlnt happen.. I know this for a fact because I lived for that I won't make excuse for KLA terrorists which is what you seem to be making.

Secondly are you denying that the realy heavy exodus started because of the NATO bombing?? That's a universally accepted fact by any serious scholar..

Are you denying that KLA attacked a Serbian immigrant compound and slaughtered dozens of serbs in 1996??

Are you denying the KLA was slaughtering serbian civilians as well as sniping Serbian policeman way before Milosevic send the serbian army??

again all universally accepted facts..

Are you denying that Thaci and the rest of KLA slaughtered all Kosovo albanian leaders who did not agree with them??

Are yoy denying that Thaci and the KLA leaders aren't drug dealers, ethnic cleansers, human organ trafickers?

Are you denying that every western intelligence agency had listed the KLA as a terrorist organization before they became useful against Milosevic??

Are you denying all this or is that just a myth??

Are you denying that today's Kosovo Serbs left in Kosovo were massacred from 2000 untill today in hundreds and they live in conditions worse than anything albanians lived in??

Are you denying the fact that there have been 200,000 Serbs ethnically cleansed from Kosovo and can't come back while every Albanian has come back that wanted too??

Do you really believe that NATO, the same organization that is slaughtering millions in Iraq and Afganistan, intervened because Milosevic was allegedly killing albanians?? ahaha even you must be smart enough not to believe that propaganda..

Interesting comments, I didn't know albanians were that much better off then the "serbs in the ghetto" (as implied by his holiness and other serbs). Economically they both fall on the same level. Most of the serbs south of the ibar river are not bothered nor are the ones to the north. Is there crime: YES (both sides)! Are there incidents of young jobless people taking out their frustrations by throwing rocks: YES! Is it the serbians fault: Local serbs NO not at all! Serbia proper: YES to a large extent! Economically both people live below economic standards of past years of the former yugolsav era.

A lot of the older folks from both camps wish that era could return. And if you look at old maps of the region they were just as isolated today as they were a century ago. Communism broke down barriers and lunatics like Milosevic brought them back much more fortified then in the past.

Plenty of people to blame, but who has come up with a solution for the people of Kosovo/a? And his holiness doesn't seem interested in solving issues, such as their economic situation which is the biggest factor for their current state. There are no jobs in Kosovo/a. if people (albanian or serb) had jobs they both would be better off. Belgrade has ignored Kosovo/a for decades and whatever money was sent to build it up was stolen by communists in power at the time be it albanian or serbian.

If the older generation could only receive their rightful pensions that would be a start. If both neighbors are broke you can't call one extremist and another a victim. One: your not acknowledging that the other one is human, unless he's referring to their religious affiliation (islam as extremist). Two: they are both victims (albanian and serbs).

If you are serb and you don't like albanians so be it. That is your choice in life. One thing is not a choice is treating them as non human. When the word extremist is used, then you must be calling all albanians extremists and logically that doesn't add up. It can be proved statistically as untrue. The same applies to serbs.

Key is trying to figure out how to help the people help themselves to improve relations. The whole religion thing has to be thrown out the door. They both believe in the same God. The creator of heaven and earth.

May God bless all the people of Kosovo/a and help their kids to a brighter future where hate and violence are not a first means at resolving issues but dialogue and understanding are.

Jesus love you all :)

What a shameless game by Mr. Kirill. It seems Putin doesn't only control the politics in Russia, he also controls the church! If Kirill is so concerned about Orthodox people in the world, why has he never visited us Orthodox Albanians in Albania?? He has been to Kosovo and it would not be too hard to come to Albania from there... It seems that being seen with Orthodox Albanians would not fit well with his political goal of portraying Albanians as radical anti-Cristian Muslims. It is really sad to see religious leaders reduce themselves to little tools in the hands of politicians.

How do you know? They never even tried negotiating anything, at least Pristina wanted to negotiate unlike Belgrade. Now Serbia is the one desperate to bring the issue of "status" back to the negotiating table, but it won't happen. Belgrade has never wanted to "negotiate" anything but Serbian sovereignty over Kosovo.
(Ian, UK, 30 January 2012 16:57)

The best strategy is currently being implemented and that is choke Kosovo until it implodes and Serbia is doing a first class job of that too. Why do you think that the EU is so desperate to “have Belgrade negotiate with Pristina?”

The EU sees that the region is on the verge of imploding and it does not want dedicate any more meagre resources to an existing situation that should have been resolved in 1999. The EU wants freedom of movement for the Albanians so that they can search for jobs so they are putting that condition on Serbia’s entry into the EU. They also want Serbia to open up job opportunities for the Albanians as little by little industry open up in Serbia.

But what I find most curious is that Albanians have no qualms in going into Serbia proper to look for work despite suffering “genocide” from the Serbs – me thinks something is terribly rotten in Denmark”.

All the Serbia has to do is sit and wait.


The time for negotiating the independence of Kosova is long past. Serbia had their chance in the 1980's. Only after 1999 Serbia's only response was regressive with the pathetic reply: "more than autonomy but less than independence:. I have news for you: the horses are out of the barn!

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(The Count of Kosova, 30 January 2012 15:40)

The only horse that has bolted is an independent Kosovo. There will be no more talk of more autonomy but less than independence as the EU/US are failing entities and they can’t support your lot because they produce NOTHING except people with mouths to feed.

As I said earlier the EU now not only has to buy gas from the Russians but its now oil. Think for a moment; would cessation of industry be worth the Albanians? The EU has already begun to seel your lot out. It all wrapped up in the negotiations between Belgrade and Pristina – why are they forcing Thaci to accept Belgrade’s demands but Belgrade never implements any of those so called agreements.

No the terrorists were in Kosovo and bosnia.. The separatists/fascists were in Croatia.. You know Tudjman openly praises hitler in his books.. I'm sure you know all that.. The KLA was listed as a terrorist organization by EVERY intelligence agency.. But you didn't dispute that, because you very well know that to be the truth..

and no the mass exodus started during the NATO bombing.. Like I said no serious scholar claims otherwise.. Neither do the albanian people, they openly gave interviews saying they were fleeing the NATO bombing.. There was no possible negotiations with the KLA.. they had 100% support to slaughter serbian policeman and NATO would not accept anything than Kosovo independence so it can have a puppet state/military base there..

Dont you know anything about the Rambouillet Agreement?? Milosevic accepted ALL OF THEIR TERMS except for one which was the TOTAL surrender of all what remained of Yugoslavia to foreign occupation..

In fact Milosevic was the only one offering a peaceful solution, he said yes to UN peacekeeeping troop in Kosovo but Kosovo would remain part of Serbia.. Once again that was rejected by NATO powers.. and of course the bombing started of all Yugoslavia.. Everything not owned by foreing corporations was knocked out..

Now I see you didn't dispute, because you it's the truth.

For the love of god how can someone believe that a mass slaughtering alliance like NATO cares about saving lives of Albanians.. ahahah

Niko, Mirel and the rest, you have just confirmed what I said. You have said openly that you are more Albanian than Orthodox. I was right, you guys practice "Albanianism" and that is why you are overlooked and ignored by the rest of the Orthodox.
Tell me, which other Orthodox church has anything to do with you. Which other Orthodox people want anything to do with you? None, nobody and you wonder why. We are all separate Orthodox churches and yet we all get along except for "Albanianism' church. The rest of us might have minor differences in certain things but we all agree on one thing: no Albanians are tolerated because of your ways and aggression. Nobody else likes you. Sure, Macedonia and Montenegro recognised you. Big deal. The people don't like you at all. It's all political.

So you see, being Orthodox from Albania means NOTHING to the rest of us Orthodox, from anywhere.

Niko you are a tool.

This patriatric went to Syria to meet with their mufti and provide them with support because Syria is being attacked by western funded terorists like Serbia was.. It's not abot religion..

aaayyy,

The time for negotiating the independence of Kosova is long past. Serbia had their chance in the 1980's. Only after 1999 Serbia's only response was regressive with the pathetic reply: "more than autonomy but less than independence:. I have news for you: the horses are out of the barn!

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(The Count of Kosova, 30 January 2012 15:40)

I hope Ian will read your post. I understand what you write, but Ian doesn't and keeps saying that Prishtina tried very hard to negotiate Kosovo status with Serbia from 1999 to 2008, but was completely ignored by Beograde. I tried to convince Ian he was wrong, but he didn't believe me. May be he will believe you.

Peggy

....yes, cause Serbs being such a staunch Orthodox nation has really been good for their neighbors these past 20 years hasn't it? funnily enough it hasn't been good for the Serbs of Krajina either, you know, to be played by their priests like that

"This patriatric went to Syria to meet with their mufti and provide them with support because Syria is being attacked by western funded terorists like Serbia was.. It's not abot religion.."
(zman, 31 January 2012 02:03

So Syria is being attacked by western funded terorists and Assad is right in butchering these terrorists. Milosevic was also right in protecting Serbia from western funded terorists in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. I have no comments... your pure existence is a threat to humanity.

@ Peggy
What do you mean by being more Orthodox? Does this mean being more pro-Serb and pro-Russian? I thought our religion was supposed to teach us tolerance and compassion, not ethnic/political alliances. The Albanian Orthodox Church has been part of the Patriarch of Constantinople for a long time and Kirill has worked with them several times in Constantinople. Why would he not feel welcome to visit?

Second, being from Albania I know very well our "brotherly love" with the Russians during communism. How old are you Peggy? Your comments seem a bit naive...

Another example of a religious authority putting his head where it doesn't belong? I always thought the religious were supposed to enrich people spiritually, guess I was wrong. As for Greater Serbia, yes it was that that led to the eviction from Krajina, lost you Kosova for good but managed to get you RS. As for this holy man, stick to the Bible

ivan

erm, let us get something straight, i am NOT a muslim. in actual fact, i am born into a catholic albanian family in kosovo. we used to congregate in the albanian church that was located in the small market in prishtina. now though, i am a flat pout atheist with ZERO beliefs in Jesus, or any other prophet for that matter. i was born, raised and still live in Kosovo. i am VERY familiar with how it was back then and how it is back now. i do not need you to educate me on matters that i have experienced first hand. i will ask you thisa too, who told the west that kosovo could not sustain itself and what did they base their findings on?

sj

oh dear, wishful thinking yet again. does Serbia have the financial capacity to 'choke' Kosova? have you not read the economic peril the 'Empire of Heaven' finds itself in? you know how much this policy has cost Serbia thus far? 16 EURO's per second....guess if the return on that is positive or negative :) still if being bankrupt is official state policy I say keep at it

The wings of an expanding Russia are beginning to stretch and they have a huge span that will take in the entire Europe.
(sj, 30 January 2012 09:55)

Expanding ?! By shrinking by hundreds of thousands of people a year ! Expanding and shrinking are not synonyms, dear :)
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The US is very busy trying to send itself broke and fighting unwinnable wars in the middle east plus supporting what they think movements upholding democracy when in fact the only thing they are supporting is radical Islam on a never before seen scale.
(sj, 30 January 2012 09:55)

Even though the Americans highly value your deep concern for them, don’t worry very much. They already achieved their objectives for Bin Laden and Sadam and ended/ending those wars.
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They are trying to contain Iran so on go the oil sanctions and like a good little soldier the EU places sanctions, but where is it going to get most of its oil you ask? Well low and behold its the Russians – gas and now oil.
(sj, 30 January 2012 09:55)

And Saudi Arabia, etc… whoever offers to lowest price.
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They are counting on these countries making up production for Iran. Meanwhile Iraq is now closer than ever to Iran and Libya is a basket case with armed militias holding on to territory and there is infighting over the share of money for the sale oil.
(sj, 30 January 2012 09:55)

No Iraq is not safe… why go through that trouble. Saudi Arabia is much better and has much more oil than Iraq.

Secondly are you denying that the realy heavy exodus started because of the NATO bombing?? That's a universally accepted fact by any serious scholar..
(zman, 30 January 2012 19:16)

Not sure who your "scholars" are dear, but the fact that the Serbian Army was responsible for the displacement of people in 1999 in Kosovo has been proven beyond resonable doubt in a judicial decision 10 yrs ago in a court of law set up by Russia, China and others. You must have not read the news for 10 years.

You must have not read the news for 10 years.
(icj1, 31 January 2012 03:20)

For some Serbianna is the only source of news. So what do you expect from them?

zman

perhaps you'll be telling me next that WW2 was acted out in Berlin movie studios. with conspiracy theories like yours, who needs to history right? have you anything to say about the Kennedy assassination? did albanians have a hand in that one too?

(icj1, 31 January 2012 03:15)


“Expanding ?! By shrinking by hundreds of thousands of people a year ! Expanding and shrinking are not synonyms, dear :”

Population numbers are very easy to correct as it only requires money and soon Moscow will have tonnes of that.

“Even though the Americans highly value your deep concern for them, don’t worry very much. They already achieved their objectives for Bin Laden and Sadam and ended/ending those wars. “

Ah yes objective achieved – a bit like shooting one’s foot off to make a point eh? The US spent trillions to get two people. If it makes you happy you continue to think that way.

“And Saudi Arabia, etc… whoever offers to lowest price. “

When the straits of Hormuz are closed or there is tension then how many tankers will pass safely???? It’s already been stated that the EU will source more than 40% of its oils needs from Russia. This is a fact not idle speculation.

“No Iraq is not safe… why go through that trouble. Saudi Arabia is much better and has much more oil than Iraq.”

If only life was as easy as that. If Iraq and Libya do not increase production and sanctions are placed on Iran I can assure you that Saudi Arabia cannot meet those shortfalls nor can it stop from the price of oil increasing substantially. Now once the price of oil increases it then sends fragile economies further into recession.

@ Peggy
"Our ways and aggression"?? You make me laugh :) Funny how you seem to forget your own history of aggression. Unlike during your earlier aggressions, there is uncontestable proof nowadays. You might chose to forget, but the world knows!
"Nobody else likes Albanians"? Really? Sounds like you made such a scientific discovery full of credible evidence... Well, I happen to know quite a few of your "Orthodox brothers" who don't like you. They come from Bulgaria, Romania, even Greece. So as I see it, apart from the West and every other religion, even your own don't like you.

@ Peggy
Here is some more food for thought for you. Kirill visited Assad in Syria at a time when Assad was butchering thousands of his own people. Will you tell me this visit was due to the "brotherly love" between Russians and Syrians?

Why would Kirill feel more welcome to visit Syria than Albania? Could it be because Syria's port of Tartus is now the only naval base Russia has outside the former Soviet Union? Could it be because Syria is a major customer for the Russian arms industries?

My dear little Peggy, there is more to geopolitics than "brotherly love" and "Orthodox alliances". Kirill is just doing his master Putin's work. He is not a religious leader, he is a political tool. It is funny that this same patriarch complains about geopolitical games.

@ Peggy,
Of course we Orthodox Albanians feel more close to our Catholic and Mulsim brothers.We speak the same language,married each other and we have fought together.
But seeing that orthodox Albanians are being treated as second class citizens in Greece for example and in other Orthodox countries,just because they are Albanian,of course we will not feel confortable listening your priests blessing solders to kill more and more Albanians.
Catholic Albanians have suffered from serbs the same way as Muslims.
We as orthodox have suffered more from "our greeks brothers" than from turks.
Thusand of albanian orthodox were killed from greeks before 1912, just because they used to teach albanian to little kids.My grandfather village was burn down in 1916 from greeks because they were surprised that orthodoxs didnt know greek but albanian.So they kicked us out and burn the village.
Albanian orthodox were the first to be in Albanian Renaissance,the first ones to fight in two fronts one turks and the other greeks.We were active in National Liberation War and in democratic movements in Albania.Not to mention Scanderbeg and his orthodox albanian wife,Donika.

Excluding Orthodox Albanians from Albania is like cutting someones head.
Btw we were cristians since 1 cantury when Saint Paul visited Greece and Albania.At the time you guys were somewhere in Russia.Sad but true!

"So you see, being Orthodox from Albania means NOTHING to the rest of us Orthodox, from anywhere"

yes peggy, we know. just like being slavic means nothing to serbs, after all bosnians and croats are slavic too and you had no problems murdering them. your church peggy has done a lot more harm than good and most of that has been inflicted on its own flock. it wont bother them of course, they have warm blankets to cover themselves with. it will bother the serbs of krajina however, who have been made refugees of unnecesarily

Oh God! I never knew that international political policies were part of your job description. Why don't you join the ICO while you're at it?! Do us all a favour and look after the victims of the most corrupt regime in the "western" world and stop meddling in other peoples backyards. We all know your role and the likes of you in all those crimes taken place since 1990.

Patriarch
Please stick to what you get big chunk of money for, and that is the church job.

(Niko, 1 February 2012 04:22)

Niko, please keep in mind that Peggy was a regular contributor to Serbianna...

Population numbers are very easy to correct as it only requires money and soon Moscow will have tonnes of that.
(sj, 1 February 2012 03:19)

“Will” ?!… I think you are wrong. Somebody called sj in these forums has already performed brilliant economic and financial analysis and concluded that Russia is one of the strongest countries in the world economically and financially.
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Ah yes objective achieved – a bit like shooting one’s foot off to make a point eh? The US spent trillions to get two people. If it makes you happy you continue to think that way.
(sj, 1 February 2012 03:19)

Of course it makes me happy, since it was not me paying for having somebody like Bin Laden reposing at the bottom of the ocean :)
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When the straits of Hormuz are closed or there is tension then how many tankers will pass safely???? It’s already been stated that the EU will source more than 40% of its oils needs from Russia. This is a fact not idle speculation.
(sj, 1 February 2012 03:19)

That’s can’t happen. China will not be happy because most if its oil passes from the strait of Hormuz and as your analysis has shown China is so powerful that will not let than happen.
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If only life was as easy as that. If Iraq and Libya do not increase production and sanctions are placed on Iran I can assure you that Saudi Arabia cannot meet those shortfalls nor can it stop from the price of oil increasing substantially. Now once the price of oil increases it then sends fragile economies further into recession.
(sj, 1 February 2012 03:19)

The Saudis have already said they can meet the shortfall. They have enough spare capacity. But, by all means, go ahead and convince them that they can’t. As always I trust you because your unparalleled news sources have never been wrong in the past. So certainly you know it much better than the Saudis themselves.