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Thursday, 19.01.2012.

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K. Albanians "reject representation under 1244"

The Priština negotiatior in the Kosovo dialogue says "Kosovo will not accept to be represented in regional cooperation under the markings of Resolution 1244".

Izvor: Tanjug

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Peggy

pre 12 godina

"I do disagree with you about the US and recent wars, however. The US is more than capable of fighting wars, and promptly won the wars both in Iraq (2X) and Afghanistan. However, they struggle much more with peacekeeping operations after the main fighting stops, and that is where the bodycount starts to rise"
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You just said what we are all saying. The US can win a battle but lose a war.
If you can't hold onto what you have won (struggles to keep peace) then you have won nothing. Winning a war from the air is NOT winning a war at all. You have to be able to go from door to door and win a war from the ground.

The US has not won a war since WW2 and even then they won by committing genocide (Hiroshima and Nagasaki). This was not against Germany. It took the Russians to do the job.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

The US is not capable of fighting a real war, but it does well against small unarmed nations.
(sj, 22 January 2012 03:50)

Sure, only Russia can do it with powerful nations like Georgia :) But not sure what Russia’s, say, navy would be able to do against the US’ one when the firepower of the entire Russian navy (assuming it functions) is probably the same as that of one of the 6 US fleets.
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Attacking Iraq knowing they could not defend themselves is not winning. The US walked in and then the quagmire began. After 10 years and thousands lost they decided to leave with no contracts going to them or UK or France.
(sj, 22 January 2012 03:50)

Oh finally we have the definitive proof that US did not go to Iraq for the contracts contrary to what many accused US for. Thanks sj for clarifying that for the world.
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In fact for the last two years of occupation the only reason US troops were not killed was because they stayed in their compounds while the insurgents ruled everything around. If you call this winning then great they won.
(sj, 22 January 2012 03:50)

Of course they won because Sadam was removed from power (US’ goal). Then, if Iraqis wanted to kill themselves by the thousands, hey, that’s Iraqis’ business :) – US did not go there to become Iraq’s police force.
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Now your talking. That is exactly what they want to do – attack Iran. Why? divert attention from your economic problems with a war.
(sj, 22 January 2012 03:50)

Hmmm, not sure how creating economic problems diverts attention from economic problems…. Sounds a little bit a paradox – but, hey, we have full trust in you anyway as you are (almost) never wrong :)

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sj

pre 12 godina

Glenn, 21 January 2012 15:31)

“My point, SJ, is exactly what I said. Anyone with half a brain can recognize that the economies of the US and the EU are seriously screwed up. However, I don't think China and Russia look all that great either, especially if there is reduced demand around the world for oil (which is driving Russia's economy) and really cheap crap (which IS china's economy). “

Asia is in a far far better position than the rest. The Russians follow them, but they would feel the economic pain more than say the Chinese. In addition the Russian industry is also behind that of the Chinese.
China goes into this economic crises with 2.2 trillion in reserves and 800 billion in US bonds. The Russains have far less such 500 billion plus 1 trillion in gold reserves at home and abroad.

“I agree fully that the USA as we know it is in serious trouble, and the EU is probably even worse off. However, even after the collapse, if there is one, there are still many nice houses that will still be standing (they won't tear them all down), many newer cars that people will be driving (its not like they will ship used cars back), nicer commercial buildings that will be used for businesses, and so on. If the USA collapses, it will make life hell everywhere, but it will be even harder on countries that are dragged down with it, since they already have large amounts of poverty and lower standards of living. “

Forget about nice houses for sale or commercial buildings as that will be only available to a small percentage of people. First of all you have to have a job to buy any of these houses.
The Us is so far overrated its simply ridiculous. The world will not end if the US collapses, take my word for it. The Chinese have a middle class that is about 350 million today and they are all consumers. The Americans like to tell themselves these stories in order to comfort their gullible people.
What is happening in the US is actually criminal as the so called representatives of the people are fleecing them to the last cent and then they will hand over the bill to their constituents to pay.

“Even the economic crisis does not make everyone who is from the USA or the EU inept, of low character, or stupid. Everyone, regardless of which nationality they are or which country they represent, should be heard and respected based on their own merits. It seems recently that everyone who does not say something politically popular is either attacked as being stupid, incompetent, and most humorously, even as ugly, like looks have anything to do with making good political decisions. “
No not everyone in the US or EU is stupid, but I can tell you that their politicians certainly are. The problem of everyone has a right to be heard is actually a myth as if you sing the party song then they applaud you but if you are against the establishment you are ignored even by the media.
“I do disagree with you about the US and recent wars, however. The US is more than capable of fighting wars, and promptly won the wars both in Iraq (2X) and Afghanistan. However, they struggle much more with peacekeeping operations after the main fighting stops, and that is where the bodycount starts to rise. There are probably a number of reasons for this, but primarily I think it is due to the rules of engagement under which they operate. Armies are trained to kill people. Having them walk around in a foreign country (especially ones full of religious zealots) with orders not to shoot unless shot at merely results in lots of casualties. “

The US is not capable of fighting a real war, but it does well against small unarmed nations. Attacking Iraq knowing they could not defend themselves is not winning. The US walked in and then the quagmire began. After 10 years and thousands lost they decided to leave with no contracts going to them or UK or France. In fact for the last two years of occupation the only reason US troops were not killed was because they stayed in their compounds while the insurgents ruled everything around. If you call this winning then great they won.

Now they are pulling out of these countries because they are getting tired to being used for target practice by untrained idiots with AK47's. I hope, hope, hope that we are not withdrawing merely to consolidate our forces to ensure a swift victory against Iran, however, at times I fear that is the case. That conflict, should it occur, could easily become another world war.

Now your talking. That is exactly what they want to do – attack Iran. Why? divert attention from your economic problems with a war.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

Serbian officials used wrong wording for the request to ICJ, I don't know why, and I want to ask if anybody knows. They should have asked if Kosovo was independent state, if they had formulated their request like that, ICJ would have had hard time composing the answer.
(aaayyy, 20 January 2012 18:25)

You are totally wrong dear. That would have been an easier "answer" for the ICJ. The ICJ's answer would have been that the Court declines to answer the question because it is not a question of law but a question of fact.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

The US is now 15.2 trillion down the road of eternal happiness and 16.7 by October this year and this is only the Federal Government. This does not include the debt owed by individual States.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

We can increase that further dear… Let’s say, double – 30 trillion. It is still nothing compared to the assets that the US has. So you are correct. They are down the road of eternal happiness. However, I’m not sure why we should care that the US is happy ! That does not increase or diminish my happiness…
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Please no more crap about democracy – I’m ready to puke.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

Go ahead than, puke….
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The US went from owing 3 trillion under Clinton to 15.2 today.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

Just 15.2 !!!!! That is small dear relatively speaking…. But I’m sure the Yankees do appreciate the concern you express every day for their well being. Your passion for the well being of the US is unparalleled, even though you live in Malaysia – great job mate.
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The US allowed toxic loans to nearly bury it in 2008 and they are still a great danger today as the US still has those on the books.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

Sure, dear…. In the meantime the homes that were built with those loans are there standing, regardless of what happens with the books :)
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The US went to war in two countries and lost both, pulled out of Iraq and about to do the same in Afghanistan.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

Of course; the US achieved the goals regarding Bin Laden and Sadam and is time to pull out. Or you want the US to make Afghanistan and Iraq the 51st and 52nd US states ?! It would be hard to convince the Americans to do that, but you can try… I know you are good in impossible missions.
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In the latter case it also dragged in NATO and they collectively lost – the strongest army in the world was beaten by people living in mud huts.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

But I thought it is the US that lives in mud huts ! Anyway, they achieved their goal with Bin Laden so if that means they collectively lost, I don’t think anybody has an objection if “collectively loosing” means “achieving the goal”. You see sj, we just need to clarify definitions and we always end up agreeing…
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Now if you don’t call that a catastrophe then you are not very bright.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

I think he/she lives in a country that, while not being the paradise on earth, is still much better than most of the world. If you define that as “catastrophe”, you are again right, sj, as always.

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Glenn

pre 12 godina

- we already know that the EU, the US, and the whole world is bankrupt and has dying economies(except Serbia, Russia, China and anyone else who agrees with Serbia politically, of course, which have healthy economies and great standard of living)!”

So what is your point here? Don’t you have electricity in your house? It’s all over the world that western economies are screwed. The US is now 15.2 trillion down the road of eternal happiness and 16.7 by October this year and this is only the Federal Government. This does not include the debt owed by individual States.
Please no more crap about democracy – I’m ready to puke.
“We already know that you think everyone who is representing the EU or the US has horrible character, is incompetent, and generally stupid in every way”
The US went from owing 3 trillion under Clinton to 15.2 today. The US allowed toxic loans to nearly bury it in 2008 and they are still a great danger today as the US still has those on the books. The US went to war in two countries and lost both, pulled out of Iraq and about to do the same in Afghanistan. In the latter case it also dragged in NATO and they collectively lost – the strongest army in the world was beaten by people living in mud huts.
Now if you don’t call that a catastrophe then you are not very bright.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

My point, SJ, is exactly what I said. Anyone with half a brain can recognize that the economies of the US and the EU are seriously screwed up. However, I don't think China and Russia look all that great either, especially if there is reduced demand around the world for oil (which is driving Russia's economy) and really cheap crap (which IS china's economy).

I agree fully that the USA as we know it is in serious trouble, and the EU is probably even worse off. However, even after the collapse, if there is one, there are still many nice houses that will still be standing (they won't tear them all down), many newer cars that people will be driving (its not like they will ship used cars back), nicer commercial buildings that will be used for businesses, and so on. If the USA collapses, it will make life hell everywhere, but it will be even harder on countries that are dragged down with it, since they already have large amounts of poverty and lower standards of living.

Even the economic crisis does not make everyone who is from the USA or the EU inept, of low character, or stupid. Everyone, regardless of which nationality they are or which country they represent, should be heard and respected based on their own merits. It seems recently that everyone who does not say something politically popular is either attacked as being stupid, incompetent, and most humorously, even as ugly, like looks have anything to do with making good political decisions.

I do disagree with you about the US and recent wars, however. The US is more than capable of fighting wars, and promptly won the wars both in Iraq (2X) and Afghanistan. However, they struggle much more with peacekeeping operations after the main fighting stops, and that is where the bodycount starts to rise. There are probably a number of reasons for this, but primarily I think it is due to the rules of engagement under which they operate. Armies are trained to kill people. Having them walk around in a foreign country (especially ones full of religious zealots) with orders not to shoot unless shot at merely results in lots of casualties.

Now they are pulling out of these countries because they are getting tired to being used for target practice by untrained idiots with AK47's. I hope, hope, hope that we are not withdrawing merely to consolidate our forces to ensure a swift victory against Iran, however, at times I fear that is the case. That conflict, should it occur, could easily become another world war.

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Not exactly. Comparing Kosovo to Taiwan - given that Taiwan is loosing recognition and Kosovo is gaining recognition, not to mention the quantity and quality of recognition Kosovo has, as well as Kosovo having one of the fastest growing economies in Europe. Comparing Kosovo to Taiwan is an insult to Kosovo."
(Ian, UK, 20 January 2012 17:19)

With this base (an almost non-exisitent econony, with the main export product being scrap metal (probably based from imported(stolen?) used cars)), Kosovo can grow with annual rates of 10%, and it will take a century until it reaches the European average. Not to mention that Taiwan is in the Top 20 of the biggest world economies (GDP), Kosovo not even in the Top 100.

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sj

pre 12 godina

countries existed BEFORE the UN and MADE declarations of independence BEFORE the UN and they are currently RECOGNIZED COUNTRIES. This idea that the UN MUST recognize Kosova is silly at best. Why does Serbia hold onto it? Because its the only thing that they have! The other way to solve the problem is to invade and take it over with force.
(USA United States of Albania, 20 January 2012 02:30)

Don’t kid yourself recognition by the UN is very important otherwise why did “Kosova even try?
The dumbest act Serbia could do is to invade or attempt to retake Kosovo as it serves not purpose at all. The best tactic is to strangle it slowly by keeping the Albanians caged and apply heat on the pressure cocker until it blows apart. I believe it going to be a very hot summer in Kosovo, very hot.

Look at Romania and its not even summer.

(Glenn, 20 January 2012 16:06)

If the UDI "means nothing," then why in the world did Belgrade take the case of the UDI to the ICJ? Why did they act as if the fate of the free world was in the balance before the ICJ decision?

That was political tactic so that Boris Tadic could sell out the Serbs in Kosovo. The question was badly framed on purpose to give the US room to move. That’s why.
I love this part - free world. Straight out of Hollywood, free world, whatever that means/

I expect that if Serbia had not fallen flat on its face at the ICJ, we would be continuously hearing from everyone here about how important the ICJ's decision was (even though it was non-binding), and how serious of a matter Kosovo's UDI was. However, since the ICJ did not come down on the side of Serbia, everyone here says that it wasn't really important anyway.

As the Serbians fell flat on their face why didn’t that gathering of unemployable party hacks hand down a decision that allowed no room for misunderstanding of the status of Kosovo? It should have said that not only was the act of declaring independent legal they are now independent.
Try going to the court to get that decikon for your Albanians and see what the freedom loving US does – they would kill anyone trying that on. That decision is one of the most idiotic on record, much like saying a woman is only half pregnant – she either is or she is not, no two ways about it.

“Some posters could save some serious effort posting and do something thing productive if they would remember:
- we already know that you think that anyone who does not agree with you is a traitor and should be shot (some kind of democracy you have if anyone who does not toe the party line is a traitor...)
- we already know that you think that Kosovo is a place that has absolutely nothing other than drugs, prostitutes, and 500 year old churches (if you think this, I am not quite sure why you want it).
- we already know that Kosovo's government is entirely corrupt (on this, we pretty much agree)
- we already know that you think everyone who is representing the EU or the US has horrible character, is incompetent, and generally stupid in every way
- we already know that the EU, the US, and the whole world is bankrupt and has dying economies(except Serbia, Russia, China and anyone else who agrees with Serbia politically, of course, which have healthy economies and great standard of living)!”


So what is your point here? Don’t you have electricity in your house? It’s all over the world that western economies are screwed. The US is now 15.2 trillion down the road of eternal happiness and 16.7 by October this year and this is only the Federal Government. This does not include the debt owed by individual States.
Please no more crap about democracy – I’m ready to puke.
“We already know that you think everyone who is representing the EU or the US has horrible character, is incompetent, and generally stupid in every way”
The US went from owing 3 trillion under Clinton to 15.2 today. The US allowed toxic loans to nearly bury it in 2008 and they are still a great danger today as the US still has those on the books. The US went to war in two countries and lost both, pulled out of Iraq and about to do the same in Afghanistan. In the latter case it also dragged in NATO and they collectively lost – the strongest army in the world was beaten by people living in mud huts.
Now if you don’t call that a catastrophe then you are not very bright.

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Now imagine how about 85 countries looking sky like green?
(alboz)

If one wants US money/favor, one can say that the sky is green and a lot of other similar things.

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Alboz

pre 12 godina

So, an easy example:
Saying 'the sky is green' is not against any law (because there is no law about the sky color), but it's up to the others to believe your claims or not - and it doesn't make the sky green.
(Analyst, 20 January 2012 10:09)

I do not know if you take it as bad but as we both know, Kosova is recognized from 85 UN countries. Now imagine how about 85 countries looking sky like green? Can you do anything about it? 22 out 27 EU countries recognized, including UK, GER, FR, ITALY. Also beside that, US recognized us too. Still wondering why you serbs say that kosovo is serbia when you have no army,police or any other institutions in kosovo?

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

ICJ said that UDI didn't contradict international law, but UDI itself means nothing, it doesn't make state.
(aaayyy, 20 January 2012 12:38)

If the UDI "means nothing," then why in the world did Belgrade take the case of the UDI to the ICJ? Why did they act as if the fate of the free world was in the balance before the ICJ decision?
(Glenn)

Serbian officials used wrong wording for the request to ICJ, I don't know why, and I want to ask if anybody knows. They should have asked if Kosovo was independent state, if they had formulated their request like that, ICJ would have had hard time composing the answer.

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Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

Close, but not exactly. Comparing Kosovo to Taiwan - given Taiwan's now 20+ years of positive political and 30+ years of very positive economic developement - is a strong insult to Taiwan :)

(Ataman, 20 January 2012 16:29)

Not exactly. Comparing Kosovo to Taiwan - given that Taiwan is loosing recognition and Kosovo is gaining recognition, not to mention the quantity and quality of recognition Kosovo has, as well as Kosovo having one of the fastest growing economies in Europe. Comparing Kosovo to Taiwan is an insult to Kosovo.

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Glenn

pre 12 godina

ICJ said that UDI didn't contradict international law, but UDI itself means nothing, it doesn't make state.
(aaayyy, 20 January 2012 12:38)

If the UDI "means nothing," then why in the world did Belgrade take the case of the UDI to the ICJ? Why did they act as if the fate of the free world was in the balance before the ICJ decision?

I expect that if Serbia had not fallen flat on its face at the ICJ, we would be continuously hearing from everyone here about how important the ICJ's decision was (even though it was non-binding), and how serious of a matter Kosovo's UDI was. However, since the ICJ did not come down on the side of Serbia, everyone here says that it wasn't really important anyway.

Some posters could save some serious effort posting and do something thing productive if they would remember:
- we already know that you think that anyone who does not agree with you is a traitor and should be shot (some kind of democracy you have if anyone who does not toe the party line is a traitor...)
- we already know that you think that Kosovo is a place that has absolutely nothing other than drugs, prostitutes, and 500 year old churches (if you think this, I am not quite sure why you want it).
- we already know that Kosovo's government is entirely corrupt (on this, we pretty much agree)
- we already know that you think everyone who is representing the EU or the US has horrible character, is incompetent, and generally stupid in every way
- we already know that the EU, the US, and the whole world is bankrupt and has dying economies(except Serbia, Russia, China and anyone else who agrees with Serbia politically, of course, which have healthy economies and great standard of living)!

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Ataman

pre 12 godina

So far, Kosovo is on the same level as South Ossetia, Taiwan (Republic of China), North Cyprus, Palestine and other territories/self-proclaimed states with an undefined status
(Comm. Parrisson, 20 January 2012 12:21)

Close, but not exactly. Comparing Kosovo to Taiwan - given Taiwan's now 20+ years of positive political and 30+ years of very positive economic developement - is a strong insult to Taiwan :)

Organ harwesting, woman slavery, church burning, cemetery desecration, bigotry, 120% election results is not what Taiwan is famous for.

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Sergio

pre 12 godina

UN wasn't around before 1945...
Yes there was not UN but you'll take the history books and make an effort to find out, you'll see that there was The Ligue of Nations.

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"This idea that the UN MUST recognize Kosova is silly at best."
(USA United States of Albania, 20 January 2012 02:30)

The UN cannot recognize Kosovo. The UN members can recognize Kosovo individually. But the UN assembly can allow Kosovo to become a new UN member state - but that won't happen. So far, Kosovo is on the same level as South Ossetia, Taiwan (Republic of China), North Cyprus, Palestine and other territories/self-proclaimed states with an undefined status

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

The United Nations recognizes Kosovo in indirect ways. For example the ICJ (part of UN organization) recognized that Kosovo's sovereignty, mandated by the constitution, derived from its declaration of independence was in accordance with all "international laws" (as you serbs say) including res 1244.

Sincerely,
(KOSO, 20 January 2012 06:20)

ICJ said that UDI didn't contradict international law, but UDI itself means nothing, it doesn't make state.

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trizo

pre 12 godina

How naive of you Edita.

Steal someone's land. Burn their churches & destroy as much evidence as possible of their existence. Force them out of their homes. Intimidate and attack the ones who still exist there. Fly the Albanian flag. Call yourself independent because the ICJ had no precedent and only stated it wasn't illegal because the UDI was made in a "personal" capacity, lol.

Now you want to go against UNMIK & 1244 because reality has changed?

Let me guess, what is your final goal? World Peace? haha.

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PRO-SERBIA

pre 12 godina

"Serbia's insistence has no political or legal basis, for there is a new reality in the region,", Tahiri

Mrs. Tahiri! why you are insisting on the so called new reality? The reality is resolution 1244 is still existing and never abolish by the UNSC and Serbia. Kosovo is not a state and therefore remained legally as a province of Serbia.

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Analyst

pre 12 godina

"Serbia's insistence has no political or legal basis, for there is a new reality in the region,", Tahiri stated, and asserted that "Kosovo is an independent country", which, according to her, "was confirmed by the International Court of Justice".

It must be hard to understand the ICJ ruling for some Albanians. ICJ said:

- the Kosovo Albanian UDI was not against any international laws, and in this special case, not against UN1244
- an UDI doesn't make you a country, it's up to individual states to recognize you or not (so far, 85 out of 192 have recognized Kosovo).

So, an easy example:
Saying 'the sky is green' is not against any law (because there is no law about the sky color), but it's up to the others to believe your claims or not - and it doesn't make the sky green.

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KOSO

pre 12 godina

Albania, Serbia, Greece are UN recognized countries while Kosovo isn't.
(aaayyy, 19 January 2012 23:39)


The United Nations recognizes Kosovo in indirect ways. For example the ICJ (part of UN organization) recognized that Kosovo's sovereignty, mandated by the constitution, derived from its declaration of independence was in accordance with all "international laws" (as you serbs say) including res 1244.

Sincerely,

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arti

pre 12 godina

Albania, Serbia, Greece are UN recognized countries while Kosovo isn't.
(aaayyy, 19 January 2012 23:39)

UN wasn't around before 1945, so stop using it as a holy bible or kuran for the matter!....
Istitutions don't make people but other way around, just because some not worthy/low moral politians abuse their power for political gains doesn't mean things are different or going to change for the matter.

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USA United States of Albania

pre 12 godina

Arti is right on the money! when he said "You are illiterate!....because according to your logic there would be no Albania, Serbia, Greece etc..countries but only Balkan. Times evolve my friend, get used.
(arti, 19 January 2012 21:49)"

aayyy - You keep talking about the UN the UN the UN. The UN came into existence after 1945! Point being, countries existed BEFORE the UN and MADE declarations of independence BEFORE the UN and they are currently RECOGNIZED COUNTRIES. This idea that the UN MUST recognize Kosova is silly at best. Why does Serbia hold onto it? Because its the only thing that they have! The other way to solve the problem is to invade and take it over with force.

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Nikolle

pre 12 godina

"Albania, Serbia, Greece are UN recognized countries while Kosovo isn't."

Be that as it may, truth is this, Serbian law does not permeate in Kosovo. Kosovo is a member of the IMF. Kosovo's passports are recognized and accepted in the US, UK, Germany, France, Italy, South Korea, Japan, Turkey and wait for it...Greece. So it looks like Kosovo is pretty independent of Serbia

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

because according to your logic there would be no Albania, Serbia, Greece etc..countries but only Balkan.
I wonder how happy were Serbs to live under otoman empire?!..and I'm quite sure that Turkey wasn't happy about it eidher.
Times evolve my friend, get used.
(arti, 19 January 2012 21:49)

Albania, Serbia, Greece are UN recognized countries while Kosovo isn't.

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pss

pre 12 godina

LOL she can "reject" whatever she wants. Too bad she has to abide by it though :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 19 January 2012 19:10)
Actually no she doesn't. The only reason they are having the discussion is so Serbia can attend the meetings too! The other countries and conferences will allow Kosovo to attend as Kosovo, but Serbia will not attend.

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sj

pre 12 godina

Lets be honest Edita Tahiri this is only for local consumption and nothing else. You can no to this or that but you will attend under 1244 so shut up and stop leading your people up the proverbial garden path.

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MikeC

pre 12 godina

The "reality on the ground" that she speaks so highly of also means tearing Kosovo appart. Serbs have clearely stated they want nothing to do with and independent Kosovo. That is a reality she and other albanians would need to respect.

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Peggy

pre 12 godina

It is illegal to steal, so if you steal something and refuse to give it back then you can say the reality is that it's in your possession so everyone has to respect the new reality and forget the law.
This is exactly what this woman is saying about res 1244. Just because they do whatever they like and they claim reality on the ground rubbish doesn't make it legal.

So Ms know it all, what was resolution 1244 superseded by? If it no longer applies, something else had to be signed and there is no way ICJ has declared 1244 invalid.
Claiming to be independent was stated not in breach but doing it was not mentioned and yes 1244 was quoted in the court. So much for not being valid any more.

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Amer

pre 12 godina

For the asterisk comment, I suggest they use the sentence that B92 places at the end of its articles on Kosovo, something like " *Serbia does not recognize the independence of the Republic of Kosovo. "

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arti

pre 12 godina

She is illiterate - UDI didn't make a country independent.
(aaayyy, 19 January 2012 18:46)

You are illiterate!....because according to your logic there would be no Albania, Serbia, Greece etc..countries but only Balkan.
I wonder how happy were Serbs to live under otoman empire?!..and I'm quite sure that Turkey wasn't happy about it eidher.
Times evolve my friend, get used.

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Staff

pre 12 godina

Hahaha...this is so funny. UNSC Res 1244 is the God, Father, Son and Law of Kosovo if YOU or ME like it or not. The pro independence side have worked their heads off to find anything to try to uphold it, but with no luck.
It is quite fun to hear Edita saying that;

""Serbia's insistence has no political or legal basis, for there is a new reality in the region,", Tahiri stated, and asserted that Kosovo is an independent country, which, according to her, "was confirmed by the International Court of Justice"".

1. Serbias insistence has VERY much political and legal basis.
Because Kosovo is according to the vast majority of the world and UN not a country.
2. What ICJ by other things really confirmed, is that everything comes back to 1244. Read the verdict !

The new REALITY miss Edita is that Kosovo is trapped in a catch 22 with 1244. You know it and the pro independence team certainly knows it !

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ardi asllani

pre 12 godina

Kosova did agree for compromise and that is; that it will not use the wording of: " Republic of" Kosova, but just "KOSOVA". Now, the ball is in Serbian court, whether they like it or not, to shade. There is no such thing Kosova-UNMIK and/or 1244-Kosova. Those days are over, and UNMIK has no saying anymore like they used to before CDI.
UNMIK is in trash bin already. I am dyoing to know the powers of UNMIK SRSG to overturn any resolution that is passed in Kosova parliament! Helloooooooooooo, where is UNMIK governing Kosova that I am unable to see it, since I am living in Kosova??? Any takers?

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Nikolle

pre 12 godina

It doesn't look like she has to abide by anything. If she HAD to, she'd have no say in the matter. p.s. whatever people on this forum would like to believe, Kosova is independent of Serbia's laws and thus independent of Serbia. things like UN seat etc, are symbolic, nothing else

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EA

pre 12 godina

"Kosovo is an independent country", which, according to her, "was confirmed by the International Court of Justice".

A compromise solution could be Republic of Kosovo ICJ.

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ivan

pre 12 godina

I can't fathom this rubbish. On the other hand, I could understand it. You see, the US has never respected anything they've signed. The US supports an independant Kosovo run by criminals, so why should the K-Albanians abide by resolution 1244. As long as they have the Evil Empire supporting them, don't expect too much.

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

"Serbia's insistence has no political or legal basis, for there is a new reality in the region,", Tahiri stated, and asserted that "Kosovo is an independent country", which, according to her, "was confirmed by the International Court of Justice".

She is illiterate - UDI didn't make a country independent.

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

"Serbia's insistence has no political or legal basis, for there is a new reality in the region,", Tahiri stated, and asserted that "Kosovo is an independent country", which, according to her, "was confirmed by the International Court of Justice".

She is illiterate - UDI didn't make a country independent.

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ivan

pre 12 godina

I can't fathom this rubbish. On the other hand, I could understand it. You see, the US has never respected anything they've signed. The US supports an independant Kosovo run by criminals, so why should the K-Albanians abide by resolution 1244. As long as they have the Evil Empire supporting them, don't expect too much.

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sj

pre 12 godina

Lets be honest Edita Tahiri this is only for local consumption and nothing else. You can no to this or that but you will attend under 1244 so shut up and stop leading your people up the proverbial garden path.

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Staff

pre 12 godina

Hahaha...this is so funny. UNSC Res 1244 is the God, Father, Son and Law of Kosovo if YOU or ME like it or not. The pro independence side have worked their heads off to find anything to try to uphold it, but with no luck.
It is quite fun to hear Edita saying that;

""Serbia's insistence has no political or legal basis, for there is a new reality in the region,", Tahiri stated, and asserted that Kosovo is an independent country, which, according to her, "was confirmed by the International Court of Justice"".

1. Serbias insistence has VERY much political and legal basis.
Because Kosovo is according to the vast majority of the world and UN not a country.
2. What ICJ by other things really confirmed, is that everything comes back to 1244. Read the verdict !

The new REALITY miss Edita is that Kosovo is trapped in a catch 22 with 1244. You know it and the pro independence team certainly knows it !

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Peggy

pre 12 godina

It is illegal to steal, so if you steal something and refuse to give it back then you can say the reality is that it's in your possession so everyone has to respect the new reality and forget the law.
This is exactly what this woman is saying about res 1244. Just because they do whatever they like and they claim reality on the ground rubbish doesn't make it legal.

So Ms know it all, what was resolution 1244 superseded by? If it no longer applies, something else had to be signed and there is no way ICJ has declared 1244 invalid.
Claiming to be independent was stated not in breach but doing it was not mentioned and yes 1244 was quoted in the court. So much for not being valid any more.

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MikeC

pre 12 godina

The "reality on the ground" that she speaks so highly of also means tearing Kosovo appart. Serbs have clearely stated they want nothing to do with and independent Kosovo. That is a reality she and other albanians would need to respect.

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EA

pre 12 godina

"Kosovo is an independent country", which, according to her, "was confirmed by the International Court of Justice".

A compromise solution could be Republic of Kosovo ICJ.

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ardi asllani

pre 12 godina

Kosova did agree for compromise and that is; that it will not use the wording of: " Republic of" Kosova, but just "KOSOVA". Now, the ball is in Serbian court, whether they like it or not, to shade. There is no such thing Kosova-UNMIK and/or 1244-Kosova. Those days are over, and UNMIK has no saying anymore like they used to before CDI.
UNMIK is in trash bin already. I am dyoing to know the powers of UNMIK SRSG to overturn any resolution that is passed in Kosova parliament! Helloooooooooooo, where is UNMIK governing Kosova that I am unable to see it, since I am living in Kosova??? Any takers?

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

because according to your logic there would be no Albania, Serbia, Greece etc..countries but only Balkan.
I wonder how happy were Serbs to live under otoman empire?!..and I'm quite sure that Turkey wasn't happy about it eidher.
Times evolve my friend, get used.
(arti, 19 January 2012 21:49)

Albania, Serbia, Greece are UN recognized countries while Kosovo isn't.

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pss

pre 12 godina

LOL she can "reject" whatever she wants. Too bad she has to abide by it though :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 19 January 2012 19:10)
Actually no she doesn't. The only reason they are having the discussion is so Serbia can attend the meetings too! The other countries and conferences will allow Kosovo to attend as Kosovo, but Serbia will not attend.

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Nikolle

pre 12 godina

It doesn't look like she has to abide by anything. If she HAD to, she'd have no say in the matter. p.s. whatever people on this forum would like to believe, Kosova is independent of Serbia's laws and thus independent of Serbia. things like UN seat etc, are symbolic, nothing else

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arti

pre 12 godina

She is illiterate - UDI didn't make a country independent.
(aaayyy, 19 January 2012 18:46)

You are illiterate!....because according to your logic there would be no Albania, Serbia, Greece etc..countries but only Balkan.
I wonder how happy were Serbs to live under otoman empire?!..and I'm quite sure that Turkey wasn't happy about it eidher.
Times evolve my friend, get used.

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

The United Nations recognizes Kosovo in indirect ways. For example the ICJ (part of UN organization) recognized that Kosovo's sovereignty, mandated by the constitution, derived from its declaration of independence was in accordance with all "international laws" (as you serbs say) including res 1244.

Sincerely,
(KOSO, 20 January 2012 06:20)

ICJ said that UDI didn't contradict international law, but UDI itself means nothing, it doesn't make state.

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Analyst

pre 12 godina

"Serbia's insistence has no political or legal basis, for there is a new reality in the region,", Tahiri stated, and asserted that "Kosovo is an independent country", which, according to her, "was confirmed by the International Court of Justice".

It must be hard to understand the ICJ ruling for some Albanians. ICJ said:

- the Kosovo Albanian UDI was not against any international laws, and in this special case, not against UN1244
- an UDI doesn't make you a country, it's up to individual states to recognize you or not (so far, 85 out of 192 have recognized Kosovo).

So, an easy example:
Saying 'the sky is green' is not against any law (because there is no law about the sky color), but it's up to the others to believe your claims or not - and it doesn't make the sky green.

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KOSO

pre 12 godina

Albania, Serbia, Greece are UN recognized countries while Kosovo isn't.
(aaayyy, 19 January 2012 23:39)


The United Nations recognizes Kosovo in indirect ways. For example the ICJ (part of UN organization) recognized that Kosovo's sovereignty, mandated by the constitution, derived from its declaration of independence was in accordance with all "international laws" (as you serbs say) including res 1244.

Sincerely,

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Nikolle

pre 12 godina

"Albania, Serbia, Greece are UN recognized countries while Kosovo isn't."

Be that as it may, truth is this, Serbian law does not permeate in Kosovo. Kosovo is a member of the IMF. Kosovo's passports are recognized and accepted in the US, UK, Germany, France, Italy, South Korea, Japan, Turkey and wait for it...Greece. So it looks like Kosovo is pretty independent of Serbia

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"This idea that the UN MUST recognize Kosova is silly at best."
(USA United States of Albania, 20 January 2012 02:30)

The UN cannot recognize Kosovo. The UN members can recognize Kosovo individually. But the UN assembly can allow Kosovo to become a new UN member state - but that won't happen. So far, Kosovo is on the same level as South Ossetia, Taiwan (Republic of China), North Cyprus, Palestine and other territories/self-proclaimed states with an undefined status

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Glenn

pre 12 godina

ICJ said that UDI didn't contradict international law, but UDI itself means nothing, it doesn't make state.
(aaayyy, 20 January 2012 12:38)

If the UDI "means nothing," then why in the world did Belgrade take the case of the UDI to the ICJ? Why did they act as if the fate of the free world was in the balance before the ICJ decision?

I expect that if Serbia had not fallen flat on its face at the ICJ, we would be continuously hearing from everyone here about how important the ICJ's decision was (even though it was non-binding), and how serious of a matter Kosovo's UDI was. However, since the ICJ did not come down on the side of Serbia, everyone here says that it wasn't really important anyway.

Some posters could save some serious effort posting and do something thing productive if they would remember:
- we already know that you think that anyone who does not agree with you is a traitor and should be shot (some kind of democracy you have if anyone who does not toe the party line is a traitor...)
- we already know that you think that Kosovo is a place that has absolutely nothing other than drugs, prostitutes, and 500 year old churches (if you think this, I am not quite sure why you want it).
- we already know that Kosovo's government is entirely corrupt (on this, we pretty much agree)
- we already know that you think everyone who is representing the EU or the US has horrible character, is incompetent, and generally stupid in every way
- we already know that the EU, the US, and the whole world is bankrupt and has dying economies(except Serbia, Russia, China and anyone else who agrees with Serbia politically, of course, which have healthy economies and great standard of living)!

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PRO-SERBIA

pre 12 godina

"Serbia's insistence has no political or legal basis, for there is a new reality in the region,", Tahiri

Mrs. Tahiri! why you are insisting on the so called new reality? The reality is resolution 1244 is still existing and never abolish by the UNSC and Serbia. Kosovo is not a state and therefore remained legally as a province of Serbia.

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Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

Close, but not exactly. Comparing Kosovo to Taiwan - given Taiwan's now 20+ years of positive political and 30+ years of very positive economic developement - is a strong insult to Taiwan :)

(Ataman, 20 January 2012 16:29)

Not exactly. Comparing Kosovo to Taiwan - given that Taiwan is loosing recognition and Kosovo is gaining recognition, not to mention the quantity and quality of recognition Kosovo has, as well as Kosovo having one of the fastest growing economies in Europe. Comparing Kosovo to Taiwan is an insult to Kosovo.

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Alboz

pre 12 godina

So, an easy example:
Saying 'the sky is green' is not against any law (because there is no law about the sky color), but it's up to the others to believe your claims or not - and it doesn't make the sky green.
(Analyst, 20 January 2012 10:09)

I do not know if you take it as bad but as we both know, Kosova is recognized from 85 UN countries. Now imagine how about 85 countries looking sky like green? Can you do anything about it? 22 out 27 EU countries recognized, including UK, GER, FR, ITALY. Also beside that, US recognized us too. Still wondering why you serbs say that kosovo is serbia when you have no army,police or any other institutions in kosovo?

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USA United States of Albania

pre 12 godina

Arti is right on the money! when he said "You are illiterate!....because according to your logic there would be no Albania, Serbia, Greece etc..countries but only Balkan. Times evolve my friend, get used.
(arti, 19 January 2012 21:49)"

aayyy - You keep talking about the UN the UN the UN. The UN came into existence after 1945! Point being, countries existed BEFORE the UN and MADE declarations of independence BEFORE the UN and they are currently RECOGNIZED COUNTRIES. This idea that the UN MUST recognize Kosova is silly at best. Why does Serbia hold onto it? Because its the only thing that they have! The other way to solve the problem is to invade and take it over with force.

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Amer

pre 12 godina

For the asterisk comment, I suggest they use the sentence that B92 places at the end of its articles on Kosovo, something like " *Serbia does not recognize the independence of the Republic of Kosovo. "

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arti

pre 12 godina

Albania, Serbia, Greece are UN recognized countries while Kosovo isn't.
(aaayyy, 19 January 2012 23:39)

UN wasn't around before 1945, so stop using it as a holy bible or kuran for the matter!....
Istitutions don't make people but other way around, just because some not worthy/low moral politians abuse their power for political gains doesn't mean things are different or going to change for the matter.

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trizo

pre 12 godina

How naive of you Edita.

Steal someone's land. Burn their churches & destroy as much evidence as possible of their existence. Force them out of their homes. Intimidate and attack the ones who still exist there. Fly the Albanian flag. Call yourself independent because the ICJ had no precedent and only stated it wasn't illegal because the UDI was made in a "personal" capacity, lol.

Now you want to go against UNMIK & 1244 because reality has changed?

Let me guess, what is your final goal? World Peace? haha.

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Ataman

pre 12 godina

So far, Kosovo is on the same level as South Ossetia, Taiwan (Republic of China), North Cyprus, Palestine and other territories/self-proclaimed states with an undefined status
(Comm. Parrisson, 20 January 2012 12:21)

Close, but not exactly. Comparing Kosovo to Taiwan - given Taiwan's now 20+ years of positive political and 30+ years of very positive economic developement - is a strong insult to Taiwan :)

Organ harwesting, woman slavery, church burning, cemetery desecration, bigotry, 120% election results is not what Taiwan is famous for.

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Now imagine how about 85 countries looking sky like green?
(alboz)

If one wants US money/favor, one can say that the sky is green and a lot of other similar things.

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sj

pre 12 godina

countries existed BEFORE the UN and MADE declarations of independence BEFORE the UN and they are currently RECOGNIZED COUNTRIES. This idea that the UN MUST recognize Kosova is silly at best. Why does Serbia hold onto it? Because its the only thing that they have! The other way to solve the problem is to invade and take it over with force.
(USA United States of Albania, 20 January 2012 02:30)

Don’t kid yourself recognition by the UN is very important otherwise why did “Kosova even try?
The dumbest act Serbia could do is to invade or attempt to retake Kosovo as it serves not purpose at all. The best tactic is to strangle it slowly by keeping the Albanians caged and apply heat on the pressure cocker until it blows apart. I believe it going to be a very hot summer in Kosovo, very hot.

Look at Romania and its not even summer.

(Glenn, 20 January 2012 16:06)

If the UDI "means nothing," then why in the world did Belgrade take the case of the UDI to the ICJ? Why did they act as if the fate of the free world was in the balance before the ICJ decision?

That was political tactic so that Boris Tadic could sell out the Serbs in Kosovo. The question was badly framed on purpose to give the US room to move. That’s why.
I love this part - free world. Straight out of Hollywood, free world, whatever that means/

I expect that if Serbia had not fallen flat on its face at the ICJ, we would be continuously hearing from everyone here about how important the ICJ's decision was (even though it was non-binding), and how serious of a matter Kosovo's UDI was. However, since the ICJ did not come down on the side of Serbia, everyone here says that it wasn't really important anyway.

As the Serbians fell flat on their face why didn’t that gathering of unemployable party hacks hand down a decision that allowed no room for misunderstanding of the status of Kosovo? It should have said that not only was the act of declaring independent legal they are now independent.
Try going to the court to get that decikon for your Albanians and see what the freedom loving US does – they would kill anyone trying that on. That decision is one of the most idiotic on record, much like saying a woman is only half pregnant – she either is or she is not, no two ways about it.

“Some posters could save some serious effort posting and do something thing productive if they would remember:
- we already know that you think that anyone who does not agree with you is a traitor and should be shot (some kind of democracy you have if anyone who does not toe the party line is a traitor...)
- we already know that you think that Kosovo is a place that has absolutely nothing other than drugs, prostitutes, and 500 year old churches (if you think this, I am not quite sure why you want it).
- we already know that Kosovo's government is entirely corrupt (on this, we pretty much agree)
- we already know that you think everyone who is representing the EU or the US has horrible character, is incompetent, and generally stupid in every way
- we already know that the EU, the US, and the whole world is bankrupt and has dying economies(except Serbia, Russia, China and anyone else who agrees with Serbia politically, of course, which have healthy economies and great standard of living)!”


So what is your point here? Don’t you have electricity in your house? It’s all over the world that western economies are screwed. The US is now 15.2 trillion down the road of eternal happiness and 16.7 by October this year and this is only the Federal Government. This does not include the debt owed by individual States.
Please no more crap about democracy – I’m ready to puke.
“We already know that you think everyone who is representing the EU or the US has horrible character, is incompetent, and generally stupid in every way”
The US went from owing 3 trillion under Clinton to 15.2 today. The US allowed toxic loans to nearly bury it in 2008 and they are still a great danger today as the US still has those on the books. The US went to war in two countries and lost both, pulled out of Iraq and about to do the same in Afghanistan. In the latter case it also dragged in NATO and they collectively lost – the strongest army in the world was beaten by people living in mud huts.
Now if you don’t call that a catastrophe then you are not very bright.

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

ICJ said that UDI didn't contradict international law, but UDI itself means nothing, it doesn't make state.
(aaayyy, 20 January 2012 12:38)

If the UDI "means nothing," then why in the world did Belgrade take the case of the UDI to the ICJ? Why did they act as if the fate of the free world was in the balance before the ICJ decision?
(Glenn)

Serbian officials used wrong wording for the request to ICJ, I don't know why, and I want to ask if anybody knows. They should have asked if Kosovo was independent state, if they had formulated their request like that, ICJ would have had hard time composing the answer.

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Sergio

pre 12 godina

UN wasn't around before 1945...
Yes there was not UN but you'll take the history books and make an effort to find out, you'll see that there was The Ligue of Nations.

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Not exactly. Comparing Kosovo to Taiwan - given that Taiwan is loosing recognition and Kosovo is gaining recognition, not to mention the quantity and quality of recognition Kosovo has, as well as Kosovo having one of the fastest growing economies in Europe. Comparing Kosovo to Taiwan is an insult to Kosovo."
(Ian, UK, 20 January 2012 17:19)

With this base (an almost non-exisitent econony, with the main export product being scrap metal (probably based from imported(stolen?) used cars)), Kosovo can grow with annual rates of 10%, and it will take a century until it reaches the European average. Not to mention that Taiwan is in the Top 20 of the biggest world economies (GDP), Kosovo not even in the Top 100.

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Glenn

pre 12 godina

- we already know that the EU, the US, and the whole world is bankrupt and has dying economies(except Serbia, Russia, China and anyone else who agrees with Serbia politically, of course, which have healthy economies and great standard of living)!”

So what is your point here? Don’t you have electricity in your house? It’s all over the world that western economies are screwed. The US is now 15.2 trillion down the road of eternal happiness and 16.7 by October this year and this is only the Federal Government. This does not include the debt owed by individual States.
Please no more crap about democracy – I’m ready to puke.
“We already know that you think everyone who is representing the EU or the US has horrible character, is incompetent, and generally stupid in every way”
The US went from owing 3 trillion under Clinton to 15.2 today. The US allowed toxic loans to nearly bury it in 2008 and they are still a great danger today as the US still has those on the books. The US went to war in two countries and lost both, pulled out of Iraq and about to do the same in Afghanistan. In the latter case it also dragged in NATO and they collectively lost – the strongest army in the world was beaten by people living in mud huts.
Now if you don’t call that a catastrophe then you are not very bright.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

My point, SJ, is exactly what I said. Anyone with half a brain can recognize that the economies of the US and the EU are seriously screwed up. However, I don't think China and Russia look all that great either, especially if there is reduced demand around the world for oil (which is driving Russia's economy) and really cheap crap (which IS china's economy).

I agree fully that the USA as we know it is in serious trouble, and the EU is probably even worse off. However, even after the collapse, if there is one, there are still many nice houses that will still be standing (they won't tear them all down), many newer cars that people will be driving (its not like they will ship used cars back), nicer commercial buildings that will be used for businesses, and so on. If the USA collapses, it will make life hell everywhere, but it will be even harder on countries that are dragged down with it, since they already have large amounts of poverty and lower standards of living.

Even the economic crisis does not make everyone who is from the USA or the EU inept, of low character, or stupid. Everyone, regardless of which nationality they are or which country they represent, should be heard and respected based on their own merits. It seems recently that everyone who does not say something politically popular is either attacked as being stupid, incompetent, and most humorously, even as ugly, like looks have anything to do with making good political decisions.

I do disagree with you about the US and recent wars, however. The US is more than capable of fighting wars, and promptly won the wars both in Iraq (2X) and Afghanistan. However, they struggle much more with peacekeeping operations after the main fighting stops, and that is where the bodycount starts to rise. There are probably a number of reasons for this, but primarily I think it is due to the rules of engagement under which they operate. Armies are trained to kill people. Having them walk around in a foreign country (especially ones full of religious zealots) with orders not to shoot unless shot at merely results in lots of casualties.

Now they are pulling out of these countries because they are getting tired to being used for target practice by untrained idiots with AK47's. I hope, hope, hope that we are not withdrawing merely to consolidate our forces to ensure a swift victory against Iran, however, at times I fear that is the case. That conflict, should it occur, could easily become another world war.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

Serbian officials used wrong wording for the request to ICJ, I don't know why, and I want to ask if anybody knows. They should have asked if Kosovo was independent state, if they had formulated their request like that, ICJ would have had hard time composing the answer.
(aaayyy, 20 January 2012 18:25)

You are totally wrong dear. That would have been an easier "answer" for the ICJ. The ICJ's answer would have been that the Court declines to answer the question because it is not a question of law but a question of fact.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

The US is now 15.2 trillion down the road of eternal happiness and 16.7 by October this year and this is only the Federal Government. This does not include the debt owed by individual States.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

We can increase that further dear… Let’s say, double – 30 trillion. It is still nothing compared to the assets that the US has. So you are correct. They are down the road of eternal happiness. However, I’m not sure why we should care that the US is happy ! That does not increase or diminish my happiness…
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Please no more crap about democracy – I’m ready to puke.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

Go ahead than, puke….
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The US went from owing 3 trillion under Clinton to 15.2 today.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

Just 15.2 !!!!! That is small dear relatively speaking…. But I’m sure the Yankees do appreciate the concern you express every day for their well being. Your passion for the well being of the US is unparalleled, even though you live in Malaysia – great job mate.
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The US allowed toxic loans to nearly bury it in 2008 and they are still a great danger today as the US still has those on the books.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

Sure, dear…. In the meantime the homes that were built with those loans are there standing, regardless of what happens with the books :)
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The US went to war in two countries and lost both, pulled out of Iraq and about to do the same in Afghanistan.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

Of course; the US achieved the goals regarding Bin Laden and Sadam and is time to pull out. Or you want the US to make Afghanistan and Iraq the 51st and 52nd US states ?! It would be hard to convince the Americans to do that, but you can try… I know you are good in impossible missions.
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In the latter case it also dragged in NATO and they collectively lost – the strongest army in the world was beaten by people living in mud huts.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

But I thought it is the US that lives in mud huts ! Anyway, they achieved their goal with Bin Laden so if that means they collectively lost, I don’t think anybody has an objection if “collectively loosing” means “achieving the goal”. You see sj, we just need to clarify definitions and we always end up agreeing…
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Now if you don’t call that a catastrophe then you are not very bright.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

I think he/she lives in a country that, while not being the paradise on earth, is still much better than most of the world. If you define that as “catastrophe”, you are again right, sj, as always.

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sj

pre 12 godina

Glenn, 21 January 2012 15:31)

“My point, SJ, is exactly what I said. Anyone with half a brain can recognize that the economies of the US and the EU are seriously screwed up. However, I don't think China and Russia look all that great either, especially if there is reduced demand around the world for oil (which is driving Russia's economy) and really cheap crap (which IS china's economy). “

Asia is in a far far better position than the rest. The Russians follow them, but they would feel the economic pain more than say the Chinese. In addition the Russian industry is also behind that of the Chinese.
China goes into this economic crises with 2.2 trillion in reserves and 800 billion in US bonds. The Russains have far less such 500 billion plus 1 trillion in gold reserves at home and abroad.

“I agree fully that the USA as we know it is in serious trouble, and the EU is probably even worse off. However, even after the collapse, if there is one, there are still many nice houses that will still be standing (they won't tear them all down), many newer cars that people will be driving (its not like they will ship used cars back), nicer commercial buildings that will be used for businesses, and so on. If the USA collapses, it will make life hell everywhere, but it will be even harder on countries that are dragged down with it, since they already have large amounts of poverty and lower standards of living. “

Forget about nice houses for sale or commercial buildings as that will be only available to a small percentage of people. First of all you have to have a job to buy any of these houses.
The Us is so far overrated its simply ridiculous. The world will not end if the US collapses, take my word for it. The Chinese have a middle class that is about 350 million today and they are all consumers. The Americans like to tell themselves these stories in order to comfort their gullible people.
What is happening in the US is actually criminal as the so called representatives of the people are fleecing them to the last cent and then they will hand over the bill to their constituents to pay.

“Even the economic crisis does not make everyone who is from the USA or the EU inept, of low character, or stupid. Everyone, regardless of which nationality they are or which country they represent, should be heard and respected based on their own merits. It seems recently that everyone who does not say something politically popular is either attacked as being stupid, incompetent, and most humorously, even as ugly, like looks have anything to do with making good political decisions. “
No not everyone in the US or EU is stupid, but I can tell you that their politicians certainly are. The problem of everyone has a right to be heard is actually a myth as if you sing the party song then they applaud you but if you are against the establishment you are ignored even by the media.
“I do disagree with you about the US and recent wars, however. The US is more than capable of fighting wars, and promptly won the wars both in Iraq (2X) and Afghanistan. However, they struggle much more with peacekeeping operations after the main fighting stops, and that is where the bodycount starts to rise. There are probably a number of reasons for this, but primarily I think it is due to the rules of engagement under which they operate. Armies are trained to kill people. Having them walk around in a foreign country (especially ones full of religious zealots) with orders not to shoot unless shot at merely results in lots of casualties. “

The US is not capable of fighting a real war, but it does well against small unarmed nations. Attacking Iraq knowing they could not defend themselves is not winning. The US walked in and then the quagmire began. After 10 years and thousands lost they decided to leave with no contracts going to them or UK or France. In fact for the last two years of occupation the only reason US troops were not killed was because they stayed in their compounds while the insurgents ruled everything around. If you call this winning then great they won.

Now they are pulling out of these countries because they are getting tired to being used for target practice by untrained idiots with AK47's. I hope, hope, hope that we are not withdrawing merely to consolidate our forces to ensure a swift victory against Iran, however, at times I fear that is the case. That conflict, should it occur, could easily become another world war.

Now your talking. That is exactly what they want to do – attack Iran. Why? divert attention from your economic problems with a war.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

The US is not capable of fighting a real war, but it does well against small unarmed nations.
(sj, 22 January 2012 03:50)

Sure, only Russia can do it with powerful nations like Georgia :) But not sure what Russia’s, say, navy would be able to do against the US’ one when the firepower of the entire Russian navy (assuming it functions) is probably the same as that of one of the 6 US fleets.
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Attacking Iraq knowing they could not defend themselves is not winning. The US walked in and then the quagmire began. After 10 years and thousands lost they decided to leave with no contracts going to them or UK or France.
(sj, 22 January 2012 03:50)

Oh finally we have the definitive proof that US did not go to Iraq for the contracts contrary to what many accused US for. Thanks sj for clarifying that for the world.
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In fact for the last two years of occupation the only reason US troops were not killed was because they stayed in their compounds while the insurgents ruled everything around. If you call this winning then great they won.
(sj, 22 January 2012 03:50)

Of course they won because Sadam was removed from power (US’ goal). Then, if Iraqis wanted to kill themselves by the thousands, hey, that’s Iraqis’ business :) – US did not go there to become Iraq’s police force.
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Now your talking. That is exactly what they want to do – attack Iran. Why? divert attention from your economic problems with a war.
(sj, 22 January 2012 03:50)

Hmmm, not sure how creating economic problems diverts attention from economic problems…. Sounds a little bit a paradox – but, hey, we have full trust in you anyway as you are (almost) never wrong :)

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Peggy

pre 12 godina

"I do disagree with you about the US and recent wars, however. The US is more than capable of fighting wars, and promptly won the wars both in Iraq (2X) and Afghanistan. However, they struggle much more with peacekeeping operations after the main fighting stops, and that is where the bodycount starts to rise"
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You just said what we are all saying. The US can win a battle but lose a war.
If you can't hold onto what you have won (struggles to keep peace) then you have won nothing. Winning a war from the air is NOT winning a war at all. You have to be able to go from door to door and win a war from the ground.

The US has not won a war since WW2 and even then they won by committing genocide (Hiroshima and Nagasaki). This was not against Germany. It took the Russians to do the job.

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ardi asllani

pre 12 godina

Kosova did agree for compromise and that is; that it will not use the wording of: " Republic of" Kosova, but just "KOSOVA". Now, the ball is in Serbian court, whether they like it or not, to shade. There is no such thing Kosova-UNMIK and/or 1244-Kosova. Those days are over, and UNMIK has no saying anymore like they used to before CDI.
UNMIK is in trash bin already. I am dyoing to know the powers of UNMIK SRSG to overturn any resolution that is passed in Kosova parliament! Helloooooooooooo, where is UNMIK governing Kosova that I am unable to see it, since I am living in Kosova??? Any takers?

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Nikolle

pre 12 godina

It doesn't look like she has to abide by anything. If she HAD to, she'd have no say in the matter. p.s. whatever people on this forum would like to believe, Kosova is independent of Serbia's laws and thus independent of Serbia. things like UN seat etc, are symbolic, nothing else

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

"Serbia's insistence has no political or legal basis, for there is a new reality in the region,", Tahiri stated, and asserted that "Kosovo is an independent country", which, according to her, "was confirmed by the International Court of Justice".

She is illiterate - UDI didn't make a country independent.

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ivan

pre 12 godina

I can't fathom this rubbish. On the other hand, I could understand it. You see, the US has never respected anything they've signed. The US supports an independant Kosovo run by criminals, so why should the K-Albanians abide by resolution 1244. As long as they have the Evil Empire supporting them, don't expect too much.

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arti

pre 12 godina

She is illiterate - UDI didn't make a country independent.
(aaayyy, 19 January 2012 18:46)

You are illiterate!....because according to your logic there would be no Albania, Serbia, Greece etc..countries but only Balkan.
I wonder how happy were Serbs to live under otoman empire?!..and I'm quite sure that Turkey wasn't happy about it eidher.
Times evolve my friend, get used.

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EA

pre 12 godina

"Kosovo is an independent country", which, according to her, "was confirmed by the International Court of Justice".

A compromise solution could be Republic of Kosovo ICJ.

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pss

pre 12 godina

LOL she can "reject" whatever she wants. Too bad she has to abide by it though :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 19 January 2012 19:10)
Actually no she doesn't. The only reason they are having the discussion is so Serbia can attend the meetings too! The other countries and conferences will allow Kosovo to attend as Kosovo, but Serbia will not attend.

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

because according to your logic there would be no Albania, Serbia, Greece etc..countries but only Balkan.
I wonder how happy were Serbs to live under otoman empire?!..and I'm quite sure that Turkey wasn't happy about it eidher.
Times evolve my friend, get used.
(arti, 19 January 2012 21:49)

Albania, Serbia, Greece are UN recognized countries while Kosovo isn't.

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sj

pre 12 godina

Lets be honest Edita Tahiri this is only for local consumption and nothing else. You can no to this or that but you will attend under 1244 so shut up and stop leading your people up the proverbial garden path.

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Ataman

pre 12 godina

So far, Kosovo is on the same level as South Ossetia, Taiwan (Republic of China), North Cyprus, Palestine and other territories/self-proclaimed states with an undefined status
(Comm. Parrisson, 20 January 2012 12:21)

Close, but not exactly. Comparing Kosovo to Taiwan - given Taiwan's now 20+ years of positive political and 30+ years of very positive economic developement - is a strong insult to Taiwan :)

Organ harwesting, woman slavery, church burning, cemetery desecration, bigotry, 120% election results is not what Taiwan is famous for.

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Amer

pre 12 godina

For the asterisk comment, I suggest they use the sentence that B92 places at the end of its articles on Kosovo, something like " *Serbia does not recognize the independence of the Republic of Kosovo. "

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Peggy

pre 12 godina

It is illegal to steal, so if you steal something and refuse to give it back then you can say the reality is that it's in your possession so everyone has to respect the new reality and forget the law.
This is exactly what this woman is saying about res 1244. Just because they do whatever they like and they claim reality on the ground rubbish doesn't make it legal.

So Ms know it all, what was resolution 1244 superseded by? If it no longer applies, something else had to be signed and there is no way ICJ has declared 1244 invalid.
Claiming to be independent was stated not in breach but doing it was not mentioned and yes 1244 was quoted in the court. So much for not being valid any more.

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Staff

pre 12 godina

Hahaha...this is so funny. UNSC Res 1244 is the God, Father, Son and Law of Kosovo if YOU or ME like it or not. The pro independence side have worked their heads off to find anything to try to uphold it, but with no luck.
It is quite fun to hear Edita saying that;

""Serbia's insistence has no political or legal basis, for there is a new reality in the region,", Tahiri stated, and asserted that Kosovo is an independent country, which, according to her, "was confirmed by the International Court of Justice"".

1. Serbias insistence has VERY much political and legal basis.
Because Kosovo is according to the vast majority of the world and UN not a country.
2. What ICJ by other things really confirmed, is that everything comes back to 1244. Read the verdict !

The new REALITY miss Edita is that Kosovo is trapped in a catch 22 with 1244. You know it and the pro independence team certainly knows it !

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MikeC

pre 12 godina

The "reality on the ground" that she speaks so highly of also means tearing Kosovo appart. Serbs have clearely stated they want nothing to do with and independent Kosovo. That is a reality she and other albanians would need to respect.

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

The United Nations recognizes Kosovo in indirect ways. For example the ICJ (part of UN organization) recognized that Kosovo's sovereignty, mandated by the constitution, derived from its declaration of independence was in accordance with all "international laws" (as you serbs say) including res 1244.

Sincerely,
(KOSO, 20 January 2012 06:20)

ICJ said that UDI didn't contradict international law, but UDI itself means nothing, it doesn't make state.

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PRO-SERBIA

pre 12 godina

"Serbia's insistence has no political or legal basis, for there is a new reality in the region,", Tahiri

Mrs. Tahiri! why you are insisting on the so called new reality? The reality is resolution 1244 is still existing and never abolish by the UNSC and Serbia. Kosovo is not a state and therefore remained legally as a province of Serbia.

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Analyst

pre 12 godina

"Serbia's insistence has no political or legal basis, for there is a new reality in the region,", Tahiri stated, and asserted that "Kosovo is an independent country", which, according to her, "was confirmed by the International Court of Justice".

It must be hard to understand the ICJ ruling for some Albanians. ICJ said:

- the Kosovo Albanian UDI was not against any international laws, and in this special case, not against UN1244
- an UDI doesn't make you a country, it's up to individual states to recognize you or not (so far, 85 out of 192 have recognized Kosovo).

So, an easy example:
Saying 'the sky is green' is not against any law (because there is no law about the sky color), but it's up to the others to believe your claims or not - and it doesn't make the sky green.

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

ICJ said that UDI didn't contradict international law, but UDI itself means nothing, it doesn't make state.
(aaayyy, 20 January 2012 12:38)

If the UDI "means nothing," then why in the world did Belgrade take the case of the UDI to the ICJ? Why did they act as if the fate of the free world was in the balance before the ICJ decision?
(Glenn)

Serbian officials used wrong wording for the request to ICJ, I don't know why, and I want to ask if anybody knows. They should have asked if Kosovo was independent state, if they had formulated their request like that, ICJ would have had hard time composing the answer.

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aaayyy

pre 12 godina

Now imagine how about 85 countries looking sky like green?
(alboz)

If one wants US money/favor, one can say that the sky is green and a lot of other similar things.

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KOSO

pre 12 godina

Albania, Serbia, Greece are UN recognized countries while Kosovo isn't.
(aaayyy, 19 January 2012 23:39)


The United Nations recognizes Kosovo in indirect ways. For example the ICJ (part of UN organization) recognized that Kosovo's sovereignty, mandated by the constitution, derived from its declaration of independence was in accordance with all "international laws" (as you serbs say) including res 1244.

Sincerely,

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trizo

pre 12 godina

How naive of you Edita.

Steal someone's land. Burn their churches & destroy as much evidence as possible of their existence. Force them out of their homes. Intimidate and attack the ones who still exist there. Fly the Albanian flag. Call yourself independent because the ICJ had no precedent and only stated it wasn't illegal because the UDI was made in a "personal" capacity, lol.

Now you want to go against UNMIK & 1244 because reality has changed?

Let me guess, what is your final goal? World Peace? haha.

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Alboz

pre 12 godina

So, an easy example:
Saying 'the sky is green' is not against any law (because there is no law about the sky color), but it's up to the others to believe your claims or not - and it doesn't make the sky green.
(Analyst, 20 January 2012 10:09)

I do not know if you take it as bad but as we both know, Kosova is recognized from 85 UN countries. Now imagine how about 85 countries looking sky like green? Can you do anything about it? 22 out 27 EU countries recognized, including UK, GER, FR, ITALY. Also beside that, US recognized us too. Still wondering why you serbs say that kosovo is serbia when you have no army,police or any other institutions in kosovo?

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USA United States of Albania

pre 12 godina

Arti is right on the money! when he said "You are illiterate!....because according to your logic there would be no Albania, Serbia, Greece etc..countries but only Balkan. Times evolve my friend, get used.
(arti, 19 January 2012 21:49)"

aayyy - You keep talking about the UN the UN the UN. The UN came into existence after 1945! Point being, countries existed BEFORE the UN and MADE declarations of independence BEFORE the UN and they are currently RECOGNIZED COUNTRIES. This idea that the UN MUST recognize Kosova is silly at best. Why does Serbia hold onto it? Because its the only thing that they have! The other way to solve the problem is to invade and take it over with force.

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"This idea that the UN MUST recognize Kosova is silly at best."
(USA United States of Albania, 20 January 2012 02:30)

The UN cannot recognize Kosovo. The UN members can recognize Kosovo individually. But the UN assembly can allow Kosovo to become a new UN member state - but that won't happen. So far, Kosovo is on the same level as South Ossetia, Taiwan (Republic of China), North Cyprus, Palestine and other territories/self-proclaimed states with an undefined status

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sj

pre 12 godina

countries existed BEFORE the UN and MADE declarations of independence BEFORE the UN and they are currently RECOGNIZED COUNTRIES. This idea that the UN MUST recognize Kosova is silly at best. Why does Serbia hold onto it? Because its the only thing that they have! The other way to solve the problem is to invade and take it over with force.
(USA United States of Albania, 20 January 2012 02:30)

Don’t kid yourself recognition by the UN is very important otherwise why did “Kosova even try?
The dumbest act Serbia could do is to invade or attempt to retake Kosovo as it serves not purpose at all. The best tactic is to strangle it slowly by keeping the Albanians caged and apply heat on the pressure cocker until it blows apart. I believe it going to be a very hot summer in Kosovo, very hot.

Look at Romania and its not even summer.

(Glenn, 20 January 2012 16:06)

If the UDI "means nothing," then why in the world did Belgrade take the case of the UDI to the ICJ? Why did they act as if the fate of the free world was in the balance before the ICJ decision?

That was political tactic so that Boris Tadic could sell out the Serbs in Kosovo. The question was badly framed on purpose to give the US room to move. That’s why.
I love this part - free world. Straight out of Hollywood, free world, whatever that means/

I expect that if Serbia had not fallen flat on its face at the ICJ, we would be continuously hearing from everyone here about how important the ICJ's decision was (even though it was non-binding), and how serious of a matter Kosovo's UDI was. However, since the ICJ did not come down on the side of Serbia, everyone here says that it wasn't really important anyway.

As the Serbians fell flat on their face why didn’t that gathering of unemployable party hacks hand down a decision that allowed no room for misunderstanding of the status of Kosovo? It should have said that not only was the act of declaring independent legal they are now independent.
Try going to the court to get that decikon for your Albanians and see what the freedom loving US does – they would kill anyone trying that on. That decision is one of the most idiotic on record, much like saying a woman is only half pregnant – she either is or she is not, no two ways about it.

“Some posters could save some serious effort posting and do something thing productive if they would remember:
- we already know that you think that anyone who does not agree with you is a traitor and should be shot (some kind of democracy you have if anyone who does not toe the party line is a traitor...)
- we already know that you think that Kosovo is a place that has absolutely nothing other than drugs, prostitutes, and 500 year old churches (if you think this, I am not quite sure why you want it).
- we already know that Kosovo's government is entirely corrupt (on this, we pretty much agree)
- we already know that you think everyone who is representing the EU or the US has horrible character, is incompetent, and generally stupid in every way
- we already know that the EU, the US, and the whole world is bankrupt and has dying economies(except Serbia, Russia, China and anyone else who agrees with Serbia politically, of course, which have healthy economies and great standard of living)!”


So what is your point here? Don’t you have electricity in your house? It’s all over the world that western economies are screwed. The US is now 15.2 trillion down the road of eternal happiness and 16.7 by October this year and this is only the Federal Government. This does not include the debt owed by individual States.
Please no more crap about democracy – I’m ready to puke.
“We already know that you think everyone who is representing the EU or the US has horrible character, is incompetent, and generally stupid in every way”
The US went from owing 3 trillion under Clinton to 15.2 today. The US allowed toxic loans to nearly bury it in 2008 and they are still a great danger today as the US still has those on the books. The US went to war in two countries and lost both, pulled out of Iraq and about to do the same in Afghanistan. In the latter case it also dragged in NATO and they collectively lost – the strongest army in the world was beaten by people living in mud huts.
Now if you don’t call that a catastrophe then you are not very bright.

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arti

pre 12 godina

Albania, Serbia, Greece are UN recognized countries while Kosovo isn't.
(aaayyy, 19 January 2012 23:39)

UN wasn't around before 1945, so stop using it as a holy bible or kuran for the matter!....
Istitutions don't make people but other way around, just because some not worthy/low moral politians abuse their power for political gains doesn't mean things are different or going to change for the matter.

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Glenn

pre 12 godina

ICJ said that UDI didn't contradict international law, but UDI itself means nothing, it doesn't make state.
(aaayyy, 20 January 2012 12:38)

If the UDI "means nothing," then why in the world did Belgrade take the case of the UDI to the ICJ? Why did they act as if the fate of the free world was in the balance before the ICJ decision?

I expect that if Serbia had not fallen flat on its face at the ICJ, we would be continuously hearing from everyone here about how important the ICJ's decision was (even though it was non-binding), and how serious of a matter Kosovo's UDI was. However, since the ICJ did not come down on the side of Serbia, everyone here says that it wasn't really important anyway.

Some posters could save some serious effort posting and do something thing productive if they would remember:
- we already know that you think that anyone who does not agree with you is a traitor and should be shot (some kind of democracy you have if anyone who does not toe the party line is a traitor...)
- we already know that you think that Kosovo is a place that has absolutely nothing other than drugs, prostitutes, and 500 year old churches (if you think this, I am not quite sure why you want it).
- we already know that Kosovo's government is entirely corrupt (on this, we pretty much agree)
- we already know that you think everyone who is representing the EU or the US has horrible character, is incompetent, and generally stupid in every way
- we already know that the EU, the US, and the whole world is bankrupt and has dying economies(except Serbia, Russia, China and anyone else who agrees with Serbia politically, of course, which have healthy economies and great standard of living)!

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Nikolle

pre 12 godina

"Albania, Serbia, Greece are UN recognized countries while Kosovo isn't."

Be that as it may, truth is this, Serbian law does not permeate in Kosovo. Kosovo is a member of the IMF. Kosovo's passports are recognized and accepted in the US, UK, Germany, France, Italy, South Korea, Japan, Turkey and wait for it...Greece. So it looks like Kosovo is pretty independent of Serbia

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Sergio

pre 12 godina

UN wasn't around before 1945...
Yes there was not UN but you'll take the history books and make an effort to find out, you'll see that there was The Ligue of Nations.

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Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

Close, but not exactly. Comparing Kosovo to Taiwan - given Taiwan's now 20+ years of positive political and 30+ years of very positive economic developement - is a strong insult to Taiwan :)

(Ataman, 20 January 2012 16:29)

Not exactly. Comparing Kosovo to Taiwan - given that Taiwan is loosing recognition and Kosovo is gaining recognition, not to mention the quantity and quality of recognition Kosovo has, as well as Kosovo having one of the fastest growing economies in Europe. Comparing Kosovo to Taiwan is an insult to Kosovo.

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Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"Not exactly. Comparing Kosovo to Taiwan - given that Taiwan is loosing recognition and Kosovo is gaining recognition, not to mention the quantity and quality of recognition Kosovo has, as well as Kosovo having one of the fastest growing economies in Europe. Comparing Kosovo to Taiwan is an insult to Kosovo."
(Ian, UK, 20 January 2012 17:19)

With this base (an almost non-exisitent econony, with the main export product being scrap metal (probably based from imported(stolen?) used cars)), Kosovo can grow with annual rates of 10%, and it will take a century until it reaches the European average. Not to mention that Taiwan is in the Top 20 of the biggest world economies (GDP), Kosovo not even in the Top 100.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

The US is now 15.2 trillion down the road of eternal happiness and 16.7 by October this year and this is only the Federal Government. This does not include the debt owed by individual States.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

We can increase that further dear… Let’s say, double – 30 trillion. It is still nothing compared to the assets that the US has. So you are correct. They are down the road of eternal happiness. However, I’m not sure why we should care that the US is happy ! That does not increase or diminish my happiness…
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Please no more crap about democracy – I’m ready to puke.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

Go ahead than, puke….
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The US went from owing 3 trillion under Clinton to 15.2 today.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

Just 15.2 !!!!! That is small dear relatively speaking…. But I’m sure the Yankees do appreciate the concern you express every day for their well being. Your passion for the well being of the US is unparalleled, even though you live in Malaysia – great job mate.
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The US allowed toxic loans to nearly bury it in 2008 and they are still a great danger today as the US still has those on the books.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

Sure, dear…. In the meantime the homes that were built with those loans are there standing, regardless of what happens with the books :)
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The US went to war in two countries and lost both, pulled out of Iraq and about to do the same in Afghanistan.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

Of course; the US achieved the goals regarding Bin Laden and Sadam and is time to pull out. Or you want the US to make Afghanistan and Iraq the 51st and 52nd US states ?! It would be hard to convince the Americans to do that, but you can try… I know you are good in impossible missions.
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In the latter case it also dragged in NATO and they collectively lost – the strongest army in the world was beaten by people living in mud huts.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

But I thought it is the US that lives in mud huts ! Anyway, they achieved their goal with Bin Laden so if that means they collectively lost, I don’t think anybody has an objection if “collectively loosing” means “achieving the goal”. You see sj, we just need to clarify definitions and we always end up agreeing…
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Now if you don’t call that a catastrophe then you are not very bright.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

I think he/she lives in a country that, while not being the paradise on earth, is still much better than most of the world. If you define that as “catastrophe”, you are again right, sj, as always.

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Glenn

pre 12 godina

- we already know that the EU, the US, and the whole world is bankrupt and has dying economies(except Serbia, Russia, China and anyone else who agrees with Serbia politically, of course, which have healthy economies and great standard of living)!”

So what is your point here? Don’t you have electricity in your house? It’s all over the world that western economies are screwed. The US is now 15.2 trillion down the road of eternal happiness and 16.7 by October this year and this is only the Federal Government. This does not include the debt owed by individual States.
Please no more crap about democracy – I’m ready to puke.
“We already know that you think everyone who is representing the EU or the US has horrible character, is incompetent, and generally stupid in every way”
The US went from owing 3 trillion under Clinton to 15.2 today. The US allowed toxic loans to nearly bury it in 2008 and they are still a great danger today as the US still has those on the books. The US went to war in two countries and lost both, pulled out of Iraq and about to do the same in Afghanistan. In the latter case it also dragged in NATO and they collectively lost – the strongest army in the world was beaten by people living in mud huts.
Now if you don’t call that a catastrophe then you are not very bright.
(sj, 21 January 2012 07:31)

My point, SJ, is exactly what I said. Anyone with half a brain can recognize that the economies of the US and the EU are seriously screwed up. However, I don't think China and Russia look all that great either, especially if there is reduced demand around the world for oil (which is driving Russia's economy) and really cheap crap (which IS china's economy).

I agree fully that the USA as we know it is in serious trouble, and the EU is probably even worse off. However, even after the collapse, if there is one, there are still many nice houses that will still be standing (they won't tear them all down), many newer cars that people will be driving (its not like they will ship used cars back), nicer commercial buildings that will be used for businesses, and so on. If the USA collapses, it will make life hell everywhere, but it will be even harder on countries that are dragged down with it, since they already have large amounts of poverty and lower standards of living.

Even the economic crisis does not make everyone who is from the USA or the EU inept, of low character, or stupid. Everyone, regardless of which nationality they are or which country they represent, should be heard and respected based on their own merits. It seems recently that everyone who does not say something politically popular is either attacked as being stupid, incompetent, and most humorously, even as ugly, like looks have anything to do with making good political decisions.

I do disagree with you about the US and recent wars, however. The US is more than capable of fighting wars, and promptly won the wars both in Iraq (2X) and Afghanistan. However, they struggle much more with peacekeeping operations after the main fighting stops, and that is where the bodycount starts to rise. There are probably a number of reasons for this, but primarily I think it is due to the rules of engagement under which they operate. Armies are trained to kill people. Having them walk around in a foreign country (especially ones full of religious zealots) with orders not to shoot unless shot at merely results in lots of casualties.

Now they are pulling out of these countries because they are getting tired to being used for target practice by untrained idiots with AK47's. I hope, hope, hope that we are not withdrawing merely to consolidate our forces to ensure a swift victory against Iran, however, at times I fear that is the case. That conflict, should it occur, could easily become another world war.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

Serbian officials used wrong wording for the request to ICJ, I don't know why, and I want to ask if anybody knows. They should have asked if Kosovo was independent state, if they had formulated their request like that, ICJ would have had hard time composing the answer.
(aaayyy, 20 January 2012 18:25)

You are totally wrong dear. That would have been an easier "answer" for the ICJ. The ICJ's answer would have been that the Court declines to answer the question because it is not a question of law but a question of fact.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

The US is not capable of fighting a real war, but it does well against small unarmed nations.
(sj, 22 January 2012 03:50)

Sure, only Russia can do it with powerful nations like Georgia :) But not sure what Russia’s, say, navy would be able to do against the US’ one when the firepower of the entire Russian navy (assuming it functions) is probably the same as that of one of the 6 US fleets.
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Attacking Iraq knowing they could not defend themselves is not winning. The US walked in and then the quagmire began. After 10 years and thousands lost they decided to leave with no contracts going to them or UK or France.
(sj, 22 January 2012 03:50)

Oh finally we have the definitive proof that US did not go to Iraq for the contracts contrary to what many accused US for. Thanks sj for clarifying that for the world.
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In fact for the last two years of occupation the only reason US troops were not killed was because they stayed in their compounds while the insurgents ruled everything around. If you call this winning then great they won.
(sj, 22 January 2012 03:50)

Of course they won because Sadam was removed from power (US’ goal). Then, if Iraqis wanted to kill themselves by the thousands, hey, that’s Iraqis’ business :) – US did not go there to become Iraq’s police force.
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Now your talking. That is exactly what they want to do – attack Iran. Why? divert attention from your economic problems with a war.
(sj, 22 January 2012 03:50)

Hmmm, not sure how creating economic problems diverts attention from economic problems…. Sounds a little bit a paradox – but, hey, we have full trust in you anyway as you are (almost) never wrong :)

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sj

pre 12 godina

Glenn, 21 January 2012 15:31)

“My point, SJ, is exactly what I said. Anyone with half a brain can recognize that the economies of the US and the EU are seriously screwed up. However, I don't think China and Russia look all that great either, especially if there is reduced demand around the world for oil (which is driving Russia's economy) and really cheap crap (which IS china's economy). “

Asia is in a far far better position than the rest. The Russians follow them, but they would feel the economic pain more than say the Chinese. In addition the Russian industry is also behind that of the Chinese.
China goes into this economic crises with 2.2 trillion in reserves and 800 billion in US bonds. The Russains have far less such 500 billion plus 1 trillion in gold reserves at home and abroad.

“I agree fully that the USA as we know it is in serious trouble, and the EU is probably even worse off. However, even after the collapse, if there is one, there are still many nice houses that will still be standing (they won't tear them all down), many newer cars that people will be driving (its not like they will ship used cars back), nicer commercial buildings that will be used for businesses, and so on. If the USA collapses, it will make life hell everywhere, but it will be even harder on countries that are dragged down with it, since they already have large amounts of poverty and lower standards of living. “

Forget about nice houses for sale or commercial buildings as that will be only available to a small percentage of people. First of all you have to have a job to buy any of these houses.
The Us is so far overrated its simply ridiculous. The world will not end if the US collapses, take my word for it. The Chinese have a middle class that is about 350 million today and they are all consumers. The Americans like to tell themselves these stories in order to comfort their gullible people.
What is happening in the US is actually criminal as the so called representatives of the people are fleecing them to the last cent and then they will hand over the bill to their constituents to pay.

“Even the economic crisis does not make everyone who is from the USA or the EU inept, of low character, or stupid. Everyone, regardless of which nationality they are or which country they represent, should be heard and respected based on their own merits. It seems recently that everyone who does not say something politically popular is either attacked as being stupid, incompetent, and most humorously, even as ugly, like looks have anything to do with making good political decisions. “
No not everyone in the US or EU is stupid, but I can tell you that their politicians certainly are. The problem of everyone has a right to be heard is actually a myth as if you sing the party song then they applaud you but if you are against the establishment you are ignored even by the media.
“I do disagree with you about the US and recent wars, however. The US is more than capable of fighting wars, and promptly won the wars both in Iraq (2X) and Afghanistan. However, they struggle much more with peacekeeping operations after the main fighting stops, and that is where the bodycount starts to rise. There are probably a number of reasons for this, but primarily I think it is due to the rules of engagement under which they operate. Armies are trained to kill people. Having them walk around in a foreign country (especially ones full of religious zealots) with orders not to shoot unless shot at merely results in lots of casualties. “

The US is not capable of fighting a real war, but it does well against small unarmed nations. Attacking Iraq knowing they could not defend themselves is not winning. The US walked in and then the quagmire began. After 10 years and thousands lost they decided to leave with no contracts going to them or UK or France. In fact for the last two years of occupation the only reason US troops were not killed was because they stayed in their compounds while the insurgents ruled everything around. If you call this winning then great they won.

Now they are pulling out of these countries because they are getting tired to being used for target practice by untrained idiots with AK47's. I hope, hope, hope that we are not withdrawing merely to consolidate our forces to ensure a swift victory against Iran, however, at times I fear that is the case. That conflict, should it occur, could easily become another world war.

Now your talking. That is exactly what they want to do – attack Iran. Why? divert attention from your economic problems with a war.

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Peggy

pre 12 godina

"I do disagree with you about the US and recent wars, however. The US is more than capable of fighting wars, and promptly won the wars both in Iraq (2X) and Afghanistan. However, they struggle much more with peacekeeping operations after the main fighting stops, and that is where the bodycount starts to rise"
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You just said what we are all saying. The US can win a battle but lose a war.
If you can't hold onto what you have won (struggles to keep peace) then you have won nothing. Winning a war from the air is NOT winning a war at all. You have to be able to go from door to door and win a war from the ground.

The US has not won a war since WW2 and even then they won by committing genocide (Hiroshima and Nagasaki). This was not against Germany. It took the Russians to do the job.

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